Kyle Rittenhouse shot and killed Joseph Rosenbaum and Anthony Huber as he was being attacked by a raging mob. Rittenhouse also fired on Gaige Grosskreutz as the attacker held a handgun toward him. Prosecutors attempted to claim that Rittenhouse was a vigilante looking for a fight; however, the defense, and all video of the events, show all shootings were justifiable self defense.
The jury is now in day two of deliberations and has sent questions about reviewing video to the trial judge. [pbs video link below fold] The judge is also expressing frustration and anger with the media’s portrayal of the events in his courtroom. Consider this thread an open discussion for events today as they take place.
Meanwhile outside the courtroom, Black Lives Matter and Antifa groups are pre-positioning riot assets and weapons ready to destroy the city if they do not get a verdict they demand.
He had Self defense,
not guilty,
Until the prosecution added the word ‘provocation’ which would, as stated below by Wethal, negate self defense.
This seems to be taking too long.
From AOSHQ thread, updates from Robert Barnes, take it for what it’s worth:
“Robert Barnes just asserted that the leader of the group who wants to convict Kyle is an old money old family Karen he identified early as someone the defense should have dismissed during jury selection.”
What makes you think the left was not successful at infiltrating and/or compromising the jury? The fact that after all we’ve seen it has gone on this long? There’s trouble afoot.
Correct … now we know BLM Terrorists infiltrated the George Floyd jury … and RINOS don’t care.
Are you guys referring to St George of the Fentanyl? The gun to the stomach of a pregnant woman George? I’ve heard nothing but good things about him. /sarc
I’d guess there’s at least one lefty who lied to get on the jury. Maybe more. But pushy jurors with an agenda won’t be able to bully another juror with a backbone.
We may be headed to a mistrial, which would be unfortunate for Kyle, but at least the defense could argue in its opening that the right to self defense includes carrying a gun, that you don’t have to drop your gun if your attacker is “unarmed,” and of course, insist on the hi-res drone video without any enlargement being used.
The witnesses’ testimony is locked in, so anyone who testifies again can be impeached with material deviations. Drop-kick man has now been identified (his identity might have been withheld, which is another Brady violation).
Mistrial with prejudice.
Ideally, if there is a planted leftist jurist holding out, the rest of the jury can get not guilty on 3 or 4 of the counts and the judge declares a mistrial on a single remaining count with prejudice
Plus, how would you know if/what number was assigned to the lottery draw would identify “old family Karen” when Kyle selected his numbers from the lottery container. This is all so convoluted. What a mess! You are right Daniel, there is trouble afoot. These prosecutors seem to be crawling on their bellies now.
I was under the impression the lottery draw was for the alternate jurors, not the sitting jurors which would include old money Karen that wants to keep her social standing. ? Maybe I didn’t read that correctly.
They have hold outs so they are looking for something to Convict on — most likely a combination of fear and Leftist Activists getting on the Jury
It does.
Sounds as though they have a couple holdouts that are afraid to acquit
afraid or RESOLVED to not acquit?
I heard that as well. They are apparently worried about their safety as well as that of their families in light of the threats made by the BLM/Antifa goons.
“Meanwhile outside the courtroom, Black Lives Matter and Antifa groups are pre-positioning riot assets and weapons ready to destroy the city if they do not get a verdict they demand.”
If this is a definite fact, and someone can find out the location of those stockpiles, it would make a great opportunity for an ambush. Just sayin’
“Just sayin”, eh? You first, agent.
Take the stash and then track it back to Soros. Win/Win!
Knowing how the thugs from AntiFA and BLM have attacked people without any consequences, jurors should be scared. Jurors should be careful. Jurors should be HONEST. Jurors should vote on the FACTS OF THE CASE, not on how well vigilantes intimidate honest people. FJB has given grounds for a mistrial, no matter IF the evidence had been overwhelmingly for conviction. I would bet the prosecution chose the dumbest or the juror pool in Kenosha in order to provoke fear. Lady Just-Us is alive and well in Kenosha. One day, truth, integrity and honesty will return. Presently there is no one in the DA’s office that can likely spell truth, integrity and honesty much less possess them as character traits. The prosecution did everything possible to make this a kangaroo court. All I can say is G’Day mates, God will prevail!
If the police and Sheriff in Kenosha can’t protect jurors from a bunch of ANTIFA and BLM Bozos then this country is truly F’d!
You may have noticed they burned the city to the ground after looting, terrorizing and killing innocent people recently?? And were rewarded handsomely by the biden crime family………
They are trying to figure out of what arguable crime they can reasonably convict him, in order to kick it to the appeals courts where they know he’d ultimately be exonerated.
It is sad that they are being compelled to commit an injustice by threats of violence the Department of staged Juntas and the Fabulous Bureau of political Interrogations has no interest in preventing, much less investigating.
Well said and correct IMO.
You mean Flatulent Bureau of Intimidation, right?
FIB is too busy kicking in the door of Mesa County Election official Rita Peters.
I found this website that delves into laws in Wisconsin concerning the operation of drones –
https://mavicguides.com/drone-laws-in-wisconsin-what-you-should-know/
was it ever determined who was operating the drone during the riots and was that drone operating within five miles from the airport?
If this was in downtown Kenosha, the nearest airport, I think, would be Mitchell Field. I’m pretty sure Mitchell is at least five miles as the drone flies from the downtown area.
Operating near an airport is a minor concern easily addressed with permission from the airport operating authority. The bigger issue is in the FAA regulations, that take presedence over state regs. which place restrictions and limitations on drone flight over crowds, or any open air assemblies of people. That’s where the drone operator might have some legal issues here. FAA part 107.100 goes into greater detail.
yes, somehow the drone company mysteriously disappeared after the riots
How can that higher definition prosecution drone video be in evidence?
If the defense didn’t get it how can they ensure that it wasn’t altered?
Judge said he’s now read the MTD.
Says if he lets jury keep reviewing the drone footage, and the tech turns out to be a problem, adds to the “house or cards.”
“Turns out to be?” Is that LITERALLY your job, judge?
Judge: “gee, this is all great fun! I zoom on my phone all the time, so go ahead! Hope I’m right!”
The longer the jury debates the more likely he will be convicted. As more and more Jerry members are intimidated or their families are intimidated by the mob they will peel away from a not guilty verdict one at a time
it would make me madder by the minute
The waiting is nerve-racking!
Will the verdict be our “shot heard ’round the world”?
Please don’t say this.
This whole trial is being hyped to spark a civil war. Which hurts everyone, except the pinheads wanting to bring in UN peace keepers.
We have to be the sane and peaceful ones. Because we are the sane and peaceful ones.
I would assume that the Defense has also received threats.
Kyle Rittenhouse seems to be left hanging in the wind.
Everyone with taking cover and seem less interested in Justice – we will see their books come out by Christmas looking to make millions on this poor kids back!
Please, someone give the defense some smelling salts.
I can’t take this.
A first year law student would be shredding the prosecution’s lame arguments and excuses.
Interesting. Click for details>>> Judge in Kyle Rittenhouse case explains why he wouldn’t let prosecutors call the men who the teenager shot ‘victims’ (yahoo.com)
Prosecution saying “yes we gave them a compressed version but we didn’t mean to. Defense has bad software.”
Let’s recall, the judge has already said he “does not believe” they acted in good faith.
This judge is clueless if he doesn’t understand the credibility of his court is shredded.
If the judge doesn’t believe the prosecution acted in good faith and gave the defense a different version of the video then he should grant the motion to dismiss with prejudice. Clearly he’s trying to figure out a way to avoid being overturned by a higher court.
Hey, the prosecutor can use the Brennan defense. You remember that Brennan said he “individually briefed” the members of the Gang of 8. Only one reason to do that and that would be to provide different stories to each one!! Maybe that’s why Pencil Neck kept saying he had the proof. He likely believed Brennan’s lies and fabrications. Fortunately for truth, justice and the American way, Devin Nunes is way too smart not to smell a fat sewer rat in Brennan!
The judge is ACTUALLY considering whether maybe it’s the defense’s fault they got a shabby version of evidence.
How many times is my forehead going to hit the table.
THE STATE HAS THE BURDEN.
Not in a kangaroo court. If the judge starts using Crikey in his comments, we’ll know he’s full bore KANGAROO judge!
Defense is letting their evidence lady speak, and by God she’s making an argument.
Take a lesson Richards.
Where are you listening/watching?
I am watching at Rekieta law live stream, with a bunch of great commentary. His channel has been live streaming the whole thing. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCbkjX3E0IhuUfPzL0FjSPaw
Judge is not buying prosecution story
Oh my, judge wants this under oath now…
The record is closed, which means no more evidence or testimony will be introduced. Taking new testimony on trial evidence while jury deliberating????
And he’s going to re-open the evidence and show better video???
But he’s dithering.
He is out of options. He’s got to kick this case. The credibility of his case is shredded. You can’t sally forth with deliberations after this.
Judge is there, but the defense needs to drive it home. Prosecution is trying to move on. Which the judge desperately wants to do. Judge is dying for acquittals so he doesn’t have to do anything.
Defense needs to be hammering the grave meaning of what’s going on.
Kyle must be LOVING evidence lady. She actually calls out BS and argues!
I love evidence lady!
(Judge likes her too …. told Binger to stuff it and let her speak)
Judge is at a juncture where he could dismiss. Defense is just sitting there.
SPEAK! CLOSE THIS!
Fat boy is now saying the image doesn’t matter anyway …..
DEFENSE NEEDS TO FREAKING SPEAK!
Let the evidence lady talk again!
I’m seriously dying here. The judge is SO CLOSE to tossing this case, and the defense is acting like a goalie that walks off the field with 30 seconds left.
If the judge had any honor he would declare a mistrial with prejudice.
No such thing. Mistrials mean you start over with a new trial. A directed verdict means the judge enters the verdict, and with prejudice means double jeopardy attaches.
In this matter, given the shenanigans, if the jury returns anything but NG, I would imagine a judge worth his salt would JNOV.
I stand corrected.
Yes.
Everytime I hear BLM I cringe. I lived in Chicago years ago and blacks kill blacks like it’s a sport. You never ever ever hear anything from that group and it happens weekly.
One out of two black babies are aborted tell us again BLM how black lives matter
A fish rots from the head down.
Ugh. Dismiss this crap?
I would have one person from the prosecutors table and one from the defense showing the video’s to the jury. I don’t trust either side!
AMEN!
The judge said the videos were like paper evidence, and when the jury requests that, it gets to review then in the jury room.
The judge is trying to set up a room where the jury can view the videos on a “clean” computer with nothing but the videos on it, and no one else in the room.
Is this the “surprise video” nobody on the Defense knew about until the evidence was closed? If so, no, just no. The jury sees the blurry mess that was introduced. That’s it. If I’ve misunderstood and this good 4k video was admitted properly during the evidence phase, I will happily stand corrected.
If this is the video the Defense never saw, how the blazes should the jury be seeing it at all?! It was not admitted, was it? Nobody testified as to its authenticity and identified it for the record after identifying themselves as a person who had care, custody and control of the drone footage? Nothing? And this bonehead judge will show this unauthenticated sh!tshow to the jury AFTER the close of evidence?! He’s out of his mind.
OBJECT! Idiot defense! OBJECT!
Defense renewed its motion to dismiss based on withheld video.
Great. I’m following on my phone in between hearings. I can’t watch and can’t listen, only read here. Frustrating, to say the least. Thanks for the update.
OK – Did I just witness the judge offer a way to get more evidence to the jury already deliberating?
If so, is this normal procedure?
Allowable?
Normal, no. Allowable, it’s probably within the judge’s discretion.
Discretion or not, the judge seems a tad confused. Perhaps trying to hard to remain in control, I don’t know.
I do know when I am confused in a matter I have learned to step back and look for the reason why the confusion exists.
He appears confused because it’s so unusual, and he cannot fall back on prior practice. He has to make it up as he goes along.
Defense should be keeping the focus on the DEFENDANT’S rights. Prosecution wants to make it about whether they did something mean. Judge is temperamentally NOT disposed to act big on that basis — would rather construe it as something less bad. Needs his attention focused that this is about the defendant’s life an all the excuses in the world from the prosecution do not undo the PREJUDICE to defendant.
The prosecution is good at distracting the judge.
A 17 yr old kid is attacked by 3 adult men and he defends himself. What am I missing here?
So were any of the BLM or ANTIFA who were burning looting and Rioting arrested? Or just the kid trying to stop them?
I’m praying that Kid wins.
Were any of the three Kenosha residents? Asking for a friend.
“What am I missing here?”
your republic.
Was the word ‘provocation’ added in when prosecution showed the video in question?
I’m assuming it’s a selectively edited version of what really happened; hence, defense filing for mistrial over an inaccurate video to prejudice the jury against KR, making him look like he was provoking the 3 people who were shot.
My concern is that if jury is asking to view this inaccurate version of events, are they leaning towards finding KR guilty of ‘provocation’ thereby negating the ‘self defense’ defense?
Provocation can negate self-defense. Provocation came in when the prosecution’s case began to fall apart.
Thank you.
That’s what I thought and that’s what’s concerning.
Not terribly impressed with the defense. I’d like to see some more fight in them. Make some noise a la ‘squeaky wheel gets the grease’ kind of noise!
The life and fate of a young man is at stake!
Fatboy: “let my try saving the file to my computer right now and see if it changes the filename …..”
(Because prosecution is trying to blame a technical glitch for the defense getting a lesser quality video file, but it turns out the file the state sent the defense was smaller (few GB), under a different filename, with a different “created” date in the meta data.
That is where we are. And the judge muttered …” maybe I won’t have to make a decision….” which tells you ALL you need to know. This judge has been expecting acquittals, and doesn’t want to have to stick his neck out on the prosecution’s obvious misconduct. He’s reading his local paper and doesn’t like getting crap for stupid things like his bingo tumbler.
The next 24 hrs will be riveting.
Everything changes if he jury comes back with any verdict. If Kyle is guilty on ANYTHING – even the lesser charges – presumption of innocence flips to presumption of guilt. That’s one of the dangers or putting hope on an appeal.
This needs to be fixed NOW.
The prosecutors monkey-wrenched the case.
They discussed this in court, and the judge said he’d give prosecution a chance to respond before he ruled on it.
“If Kyle Rittenhouse did not have a weapon to defend himself, this was going to be his fate
“This trial represents all of us; whether we truly have the right to keep & bear arms & a right to defend ourselves with those arms”
You can’t let a jury deliberate with credible, unsettled questions about evidence tampering and prosecutorial misconduct re evidence.
You. Just. Can’t. In any universe. Resolve it, or stop the jury. Those are the options.
You’d think. In any sane country. This judge has been made aware of the withholding of Brady material, the fact that what the prosecution provided to the defense had been tampered with to blur its exculpatory nature, and yet he won’t stop this sh!tshow? Un Freaking Believable.
He wants to give the prosecution the chance to file a responsive pleading on the question of the videos. There was quite a discussion in court on how the defense got a different video.
Kraus tried to blame it on the attorney whom he said opened the file on her Android phone, and that altered the file. She said she downloaded it to her laptop without opening it.
Making the prosecution put in writing pins them to an explanation. “The Android software did it” isn’t available now.
Eh…didn’t the prosecution(ackshually accused the defendant of this) come before the judge and plea…
“the dog ate my homework” and not present the dog to the court
Meantime, is the jury left in holding pattern or do they continue to watch tainted evidence?
Judge was appointed by a DEM – wonder if someone from the DNC has threatened him?
The kid is screwed. My guess is the jury caved and he’s killed in prison. We have no laws or country. Plan accordingly.
That or Kyle commits suicide.
NO ONE involved in this case should be allowed to make a dime on this kids trauma.
Books, movie, tv gigs should be banned.
The judge is having the prosecution testify under oath as to the shenanigans going on with the video and the difference between the prosecution copy and the defense copy.
Have a cup of tea and relax. Geez.
Even if he wins he will never have a moment of peace. He has a very distinct face and the only way for him to have any kind of normal life where no one knows of him would be to have plastic surgery and go to live in another country. My heart truly aches for this boy. It is all so INSANE.
Why is it taking so long? Its a NO case, and clearly they want a guilty verdict! Its very worrying. I am sick to death of watching what America has become.
From now on, any trial in the future that has anything similar to these circumstances, the jury must be sequestered and the names not be publicized. Also, no more cameras in the courtroom nor the public allowed. Jury nullification by mob must stop. If I were the governor of Wisconsin, I would give the national guard orders such as mayor Daley did in Chicago in 1968. Peaceful protest are fine, any burning, looting or destruction of property will be met with deadly force.
Mayor Daley weeps in heaven…..
It occurred to me that both the prosecution and the defense in this trial as a pair really sums up the state of the US right now: Corrupt and inept.
Same “characteristic” as those elected to run our Country.
Corrupt and Inept.
All of us are suffering at the hands of the Political Elites.
Mistrial? Probably not.
Exactly. The judge is worried about being overturned upon appeal.
If he wants to see to it that justice is administered, then he needs to maintain control over this case for sure.
He might be more worried about his own safety and that of his family’s than of appeal or legacy.
JMHO
If this is the case “He might be more worried about his own safety and that of his family’s than of appeal or legacy.
JMHO”
Then terrorism won.
By letting the jury come back with a verdict under this state of play, judge risks being pilloried on appeal. Problem is, he’s paying more attention to current media coverage, which is painting him as partial to the defendant, than he’s paying attention to what the rules and his oath require. He’s buckling under pressure.
And he’s not reading the big picture correctly. He thinks acquittal is likely, and his reputational risk is being seen as bias toward defendant. He’s not grasping that people are watching closely, see this misconduct, and being black pilled watching the judge get bullied by the state. The judge is shredding the credibility of his own court.
Sorry I said this last week….the Judge is blowing smoke up our asses…making us think he’s one of us…hes not….
I said this after he allowed that blurred piece of evidence to be submitted…
Again… what Judge in america allows his phone to be on during proceedings…..playing a “trump song”
he’s praying the Jury comes back with something.
and that folks is now America
But wait. He is queasier now, about this piece of evidence?
That was it for me.
We will see for ourselves if the Governor and the Mayor will decide to defend the people of Kenosha this time. Had they done their duty last time, a naïve teenager would not have had to save himself from certain death.
Unfortunately, there’s really only way to stop Antifa/BLM, especially when they’re confident that the governments are actually in support of them. And that one way is, live rounds. Yes, you’re going to wind up killing a few people who really don’t deserve to live anyway. ?♂️ And, if you hesitate to kill them, they will not hesitate to kill you. Welcome to the Law of the Jungle.
Allowing the feral animals to be close to the courthouse pretty much dictates how the mayor and gov will act.
“if the Governor and the Mayor will decide to defend the people”
why dont the PEOPLE defend the people? why are we still standing around waiting for our government to do the job that they abdicated long ago?
The defense attorney should have rebutted the argument that Rittenhouse was not the victim of a deadly force assault by laying into the prosecutors with a skateboard.
Did they get this legally ready to go ? To be recorded etc., under oath ?
Like the judge mentioned earlier and procecutors RAN OVER him !!!
This judge is insufferable.
Even fatboy realizes at this time, mistrial gets them all out of this.
ugh.
Unreal.
What a circus. ?
#FJB
The judge acts like the problem with the evidence only matters if the jury asks to see it again.
I am just out of words.
Defense calls for mistrial WITHOUT prejudice.
Ya, unreal.
They’re trying to put a stop to this sh!tshow any way they can. Directed verdict with prejudice would be better, but anything to stop and regroup.
State will not retry this case. Lack of aquittal tho, is injustice.
Everything about this is slimy.
This judge has totally lost the plot.
The judge is:
-trying to avoid reversible error, especially involving constitutional grounds.
-trying to avoid a mistrial.
It’s a tricky balancing act.
^^This.
Every time, Every Sing Time, I come back to the live video coverage for an update I ONLY ever hear the Prosecution speaking. NEVER anyone else but the Prosecution opening their big mouths.
They did not have the same video you freak!
The defense asking for a mistrial WITHOUT prejudice is a lifeline to the judge to get him out of the bind he created by his own vanity. The judge won’t take it, and is letting the prosecution drone on and on.
This keeps happening. The judge lets the prosecution keep talking, more lies. Then sides with them.
I bet theres BLM/antifa supporter holdout…
This has taken so long because nickel chasing shysters are allowed to pick and choose their pawns for the jury.
This judge literally has lost his mind. He’s fully admitting there are huge problems with evidence, telling the prosecution if they don’t turn out to be right it’s be a travesty.
But he’s letting the jury continue deliberating.