Gaige Grosskreutz was one of the attackers of Kyle Rittenhouse in Kenosha Wisconsin last year. After giving testimony earlier today attempting to paint himself as a victim of Rittenhouse, the witness/attacker admitted today in during cross examination he was shot only after he threatened Rittenhouse by pointing a gun at him inches away from his head.
While the prosecution hoped Grosskreutz’s sketchy testimony would assist their case, the actual testimony supports the defense claim of Rittenhouse acting in self defense after being attacked by a mob. The crushing admission is below (prompted to 08:10) WATCH:
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The prosecution case just collapsed. Rittenhouse, now 18, is charged with homicide and attempted homicide for shooting three people during the Kenosha riots as the mob attacked him. Rittenhouse shot and killed 36-year-old Joseph Rosenbaum, 26-year-old Anthony Huber, and wounded Gaige Grosskreutz. All of the people shot by Rittenhouse were attacking him at the time.
Absolutely brilliant……. Kyle should never have been charged!
Someone else falsely charged: more taxpayer money going to a defendant. Not that Kyle doesn’t deserve it but I am so tired of all the money that gets thrown at unnecessary lawsuits, immigrants, hearings, etc.
I believe they call it justice….. but there is only ONE SIDE TO BLAME!>>>The left wing woke governments
Kyle’s story is a tragic example of how self-defense becomes murder, riots are peaceful protests, trying to burn down a church is free speech, but protesting Congress is insurrection.
We live in Crazyland.
Let’s hope the judge and jury heard what we all heard.
The look on the witness’ face when he states that he pointed his weapon then Kyle shot is priceless. Almost like, “There, I said it, are you happy now?”
Good commentary on lawofselfdefense.com/blog
Not live, so he won’t post on today until sometime tonight. But he does a good job of explaining the Wisconsin self defense laws and the scores and fumbles of each side.
Ultimately the laws are pretty favorable to the defense. If you aren’t initiating the aggression, and you reasonably fear that you are in grave imminent danger of death or serious bodily injury it is self defense to use deadly force.
Rosenbaum had threatened to kill Rittenhouse and was actively trying to grab his rifle. Clear self defense.
The remaining three pursued Rittenhouse as he fled towards cops and physically assaulted him.
Huber (killed) hit him in the head with a skateboard after he tripped and fell while trying to run away. Self defense
Grosskruetz has now admitted the pistol was pointed at Rittenhouse when he (Kyle) fired at him. Self defense
Third anonymous guy tried a flying drop kick. Self defense.
it’s adorable how law pimps keep pretending that anything decides a modern American court case other than the risk of blacks or communists rioting and harassing jurors and judges. Broken system.
True, but it only takes one juror with a pair.
I’ve been meaning to check and see if Branca was covering this for Legal Insurrection as he did with the Chauvin trial. One of the key questions I have is the legal status of Rittenhouse’s weapons possession (can he legally carry that rifle in Wisc at 17 when it’s not his and he’s not hunting?) and whether that has any bearing on the claim of self defense.
The other interesting aspect of this has to with whether the mindset of his attackers has any bearing on his claim to self defense. If Huber and Grosskruetz believed they were acting in good faith to stop a hostile shooter, and he shoots them, does he have a claim of self-defense?
He is, and quite well.
If Huber and Grosskruetz believed they were acting in good faith to stop a hostile shooter, and he shoots them, does he have a claim of self-defense?
Branca does a detailed good job of addressing that issue. He thinks the chance of their acting in ‘good faith’ is very small.
he clearly says it STILL self defense if he shoots them EVEN if they think they are good guys …
Yeah, I’m reading it now. It sounds like the issue hinges on the doctrine of provocation, which is that if KR acted unlawfully in a manner likely to provoke a physical attack (e.g. shooting someone) that he loses the claim of self defense. So the state is going to argue that the shooting of Rosenbaum was “provocative” which is going to be tricky because its not provocative if he shot in self defense. Alternatively they may also argue that the simple possession of a weapon was provocative. That seems flimsy to me, because they’d have to establish that Rosenbaum and the others knew his possession was illegal (which is dubious anyway) when they went after him. But the only thing that makes it – possibly – illegal is his age, which they wouldn’t have known.
Second Amendment does not state any age requirements.
The militia is comprised of able-bodied citizens, ages 17-45. Kyle is recognized as being qualified for this distinction.
He did not get shot while his hand were up……. so he was the aggressor….
Grosskruetz should be charged with attempted murder.
Three armed men against one is definitely self defense or as the Chicago Affirmative Action DA said:
Mutual Combatants!
Imagine it were an axe….. a feather…….. a knife ….or any of a million possible weapons…… you can use anything for self defense…… Possesion of the gun is not relevant and….a misdemeanor!
Imagine if there weren’t cell phones recording what went down.
The defense is based on the reasonable belief of the accused.
Succinctly put!
“If Huber and Grosskruetz believed they were acting in good faith to stop a hostile shooter, and he shoots them, does he have a claim of self-defense?”
The perception of Huber and Grosskruetz has absolutely no bearing at all on the defendant’s claim to self defense.
Only the defendant’s perception of the threat he faced is relevant.
Bill Barr could have shut all that Marxist Dem paid anarchist organization rioting and destruction down. SOB Barr.
Bastardos…..all of them. Eff them all.
Don’t worry everyone, this kids still gonna get prison. In case you haven’t noticed, the GVT no longer cares what is legal or not. Remember Flynn’s banana republic style trial??
Nope
I expect Kyle to get off of all charges then be charged some sort of civil rights charge in federal court. He will get off that, too, but probably on appeal. He has a long road yet to travel. I hope he is well compensated at the following malicious prosecution suit.
Then We The People need to our job and remove all the corrupt government traitors whether they are politicians, judges in the courts, unelected government “employees”, clerks, or other “official” officers of the corrupted government.
“When once a Republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil.” – Thomas Jefferson
Idea is feds wants to disarm americans. Anything to fear to the american people is the game they play. Never give your 2A.
Can we call Grosskreutz “Bye’ceps Boy”?
Lefty.
But . . . but . . . he was unarmed!
No he was disarmed. 😉
Soon- After 35 seconds of deliberation, the jury finds Kyle Rittenhouse guilty of 1 count of being the ultimate alpha male, and 2 counts of good riddance.
He really handled all those attacks magnificently. How many of us could have reacted that quickly to threats. And Kyle waited until the last second to discharge his weapon. He gave them every opportunity to stop their assault on him.
Indeed he did. I am so sorry that he is having to go through such hell, he certainly doesn’t deserve it.
and these prosecutors would be more than thrilled to ruin someone’s life just to make their case.
It’s about deterring self-defense. If the authorities want rioters to burn down your business, they don’t want anyone standing in their way.
The actual, literal facepalm by the prosecutor at ~9:42 is priceless.
Yep. Pure, delicious joy at him realizing his case just got flushed down the crapper. And possibly the further realization he might just get sued.
I would hope he realized that from the beginning!
This is the link I was watching most of the day. The legal commentary is classic (and pro Kyle)…
He needed to “explain” what taking vitals mean? He got stripped naked for surgery? What kind of surgery was that?
Another question I would ask is whether or not Gabe was wearing “Nitrol” gloves as he administers aid to the lady that was shot with the rubber bullets. Are naked hands better than used gloves they are implying Kyle is wearing. Just a question.
I noticed the witness/nee ‘criminal’ still has usage of his right hand.
On down side…If Kyle Rittenhouse has been selected for continuous punishment by the State there is a gambit the prosecution can attempt…literally stop the trial before it reaches the point of a verdict being rendered.
That leaves open future criminal prosecution with no double jeopardy attaching and leaves NO verdict to counter wrongful death suits.
ANTIFA and BLM have very deep pockets to fund a series of wrongful death civil suits vs Kyle. Winning those suits would not be the objective.
“Jeopardy” attaches to a defendant when the jury is sworn in. A prosecutor cannot get another trial unless there’s a mistrial. If prosecutor quits, case closed.
A guilty verdict can often be used to support a wrongful death claim because the standard of proof is lower (preponderance of evidence 51% vs beyond reasonable doubt). A not guilty verdict is not generally relevant because the higher burden in the criminal case doesn’t apply to the civil case. A “no verdict” (in your hypothetical where the prosecutor just “stops the trial” wouldn’t be relevant to a civil case at all.
A prosecutor can’t just stop or put a case on “pause” while he toys with the defendant. The trial, once started, must have some official disposition. In your scenario, either the prosecutor withdraws charges (jeopardy attached for the actions charged, game over) or the court dismisses the case. No criminal liability, no new trial. Only a mistrial ordered by the judge would allow a second criminal trial.
The families will probably sue Rittenhouse regardless of outcome, just like in OJ Simpson case, That’s if someone gives them money to sue, and they probably will to keep promoting “citizens shouldn’t interfere with government overthrows”. Obviously, that’s the only “blood” they’ll get out of this poor. 17 year old turnip. In Simpson, there was money the lawyer could be paid with. A publicity seeking or ideologue lawyer may take the case for free, but lawyers usually want to be paid.
Thanks for the correction.
Give the democrats have no shame…the prosecutor could create the mistrial??
Good analysis. Thank you.
at one point, the lawyers said that there were a couple of good sized funds raised for Kyle’s defense
Why is this “witness” not charged with aggravated assault with deadly weapon?
I believe the legal term is “plea bargain”.
By far my favorite reaction video for this:
Jack Posobiec posted this a couple days ago:
Kenosha Mayor, John Antaramian
City Attorney, Edward Antaramian
Lead Police Dectective, Ben Antaramian
Yep, all related. ?
Is it incest or merely nepotism?
Can the judge order the witness who just incriminated himself on the stand arrested and charged with
attempted, premeditated murder?
He just testified under oath as to his actions and intent.
Even if we give him the benefit of the doubt, and assume he believed Kyle Rittenhouse was an armed and dangerous felon; it still doesn’t change the fact that Kyle only shot him after he pulled a gun and pointed it at him.
The most righteous case of self-defense in the history of self-defense.
That’s what the Oregon Sheriff’s Association CCL class stresses on the very first lesson.
If they are attacking and you’ve done your best to warn them off and they continue to advance,
and you feel you are in imminent threat of your life ,shoot. But if they turn a nd run, you better not shoot.
He (the witness) did not retreat. So he got what he deserved.
Isn’t lesson 1 in how-to-use-a-firearm-safely, NEVER POINT A FIREARM AT ANYTHING YOU DO NOT WISH TO KILL?
No. Judges preside over trials and make decisions on evidence. They don’t make arrest or charging decisions.
If Earl Stanley Gardner was writing the script that could happen.
Bolstering the witnesses testimony is the HD video, with sound, from multiple angles that showed every movement of Kyle Rittenhouse and all the others involved for pretty much every second of the night in question that clearly show Rittenhouse acting in self-defense.
There was plenty of livestreaming that night. We all saw it. It was self-defense, which is why this case is one of the most watched cases ever. Now, we all talked about what the hell was Kyle doing in harm’s way… he was asked to help protect a business from the mob, who were burning, looting, shooting, and causing mayhem.
If any of us could shoot as well as Kyle did that night!! The kid is a national hero. If crime isn’t brought under control in this country, we could all be in a similar situation to Kyle. I pray I could even get close to how well Kyle shot under terrifying circumstances.
If you live in any big city controlled by the conmunist demoncrats, you are at risk. If you can, get out. If not, learn the laws
involving armed, self defense and memorize them. And find a good, pro 2nd amendment attorney and put him on retainer.
It will be the best money you ever spend if the shtf.
Prosecutorial discretion comes in many forms, no?
Those grommets in Grosskreutz’s earlobes? That’s where he connects the guy wires to keep his air-filled head from drifting into space.
Grosskreutz pointed a pistol at Rittenhose, and Rittenhouse disarmed him. I don’t see a problem here.
This is what’s called throwing the case by letting the facts come out…The prosecution had to prosecute or face having the city burned to the ground…Now they can avoid any responsibility for what happens afterward.
‘racked’. that’s right use that hollywood entrainment industry language for the simple minds
ADA James Kraus @ 9:41 is classic!
He looks to be a likely candidate for a coronary. The botch job by this witness could well be the trigger event. ?
witness admitted under oath
to carrying concealed
with expired permit
?? felony ??
hello?
That’s racsit!! Or something…
Mayor asamarian, DA asamarian and detective asamarian all involved in framing and persecuting Kyle. Corrupt to the core.
Is this the child molester, or the wife beater? The fact that george floyds kin is on the record for threatening the jurors should result in a mistrial.
He didn’t beat her; he attempted to strangle her. C’mon, man!
Sure, but her hair was wet. No?
The first dead one was the child molester. I think this guy was the wife beater.
Wife beating in Democrat cities is a minor infraction.
Rittenhouse, a minor at the time and an excellent shot, should get a medal for dispatching convicted child molester and registered sex offender (11 counts) Joseph Rosenbaum. Just my opinion.
Where are the charges being brought against these self proclaimed (Antifa BLM) attacker thugs
Clear self defense – the prosecutors who charged Rittenhouse need to be disbarred and Kyle needs to sue the city.
This is what happens when a prosecution is motivated by politics, rather than justice.
Or fire insurance.
So, I decided to tune in to ABC News tonite for the 1st time in …..oh I dunno, 30 years?
And they are portraying this guy as a “medic”.
Now, I know that Antifa had people they called “medics” in Seattle CHAZ, but I do not believe *any* of them were actual Medics.
They were just folks hanging around w/ bandaids and water and stuff?
And would call an ambulance if one was needed for someone on “their side”?
They need to paint the thug in a kindly manner so their loyal ignorant viewers will drink their kool aid. Was violin music playing in the background? Its obvious that they want Kyle to hang.
So far, American Hero Kyle Rittenhouse has fended of four attempted murders;
3 ANTIFAS and this corrupt prosecution.
It seems to me that the prosecutor is trying to create a reasonable doubt that Kyle may not have been acting in self defense. He needs to understand that guilt must be proven beyond a reasonable doubt. Innocence does not need to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt. At least that’s the way it used to be.
Kyle Rittenhouse phone was encrypted ,. At the time of incident police lacked the technology to enter into it, Kyle just let them have access, np.
As police were in possession of either Anthony Huber, or Gaige Grosskreutz phone, ( I’m sorry I’m not sure which one) instead of getting warrant to access phone prosecutor hid behind an obscure law called “marsys law” never has this police department ever used “Marsys Law” until the Kyle Rittenhouse case ,
Strange times we live in .
the lawyers were aghast that the police never confiscated the skateboard that was used to “cranium” (their word) Kyle.
Tucker hits on the importance of Marcy’s law as a cover up , some how that was lost here at CTH
When they were yelling “cranium” that came after he got hit by skate board, “cranium him” meant “shoot him in the head”
As with the floyd death, the state is probably more afraid of the riots and destruction that will happen if Kyle is exonerated, than having a fair and honest trial. If the FBLie is hiding video evidence, you can bet thats the case, and you can also bet that the bidet admin is involved in this up to their eyeballs. Remember: Kamallah did help bail out these antifa thugs last year.
If this is what future trials will be like when either these pet thugs are charged with something, or someone ends up in Kyles situation, our country is over.
I am an expert in firearms and make my living in the industry designing firearms and accessories for both the general public as well as manufacturers.
My impression is Grosskreutz went running at Rittenbaum with his hands in the air only so he could fool Rittenbaum to close the distance for a head shot. Grosskreutz stated in the past he did this to “surrender” to the “active shooter.” This is simply not believable. One does not surrender to an active shooter in the middle of the street especially while the shooter is as distracted as Kyle was, one runs like hell away from them. Rittenbaum didn’t even know Grosskreutz was there until a couple seconds before the shot, Grosskreutz had plenty of opportunity to retreat. I’m guessing he just wanted to be a “hero” and shoot Kyle in the head.
Whether the bolt was worked (racked) or not, Grosskreutz perceived a moment of hesitation where he decided to point his weapon and take the shot from a matter of inches.
(This is not the approach an experienced shooter familiar with weapons and tactics would’ve taken.)
Unfortunately for Grosskreutz, Rittenbaum’s obvious familiarity with his weapon combined with his quick reactions and instinctive shooting ability, the Grosskreutz threat was neutralized instantaneously.
So the jerk doesn’t regret the night that resulted in this mess? What is the photo of him in the hospital?
Pray for Kyle. I am so sorry he has to go through all this.
the hospital photo is where he bragged to his roommate about wishing he had emptying his mag into Kyle on instagram.
I don’t do Instagram, someone named Val was kind enough to post it here at CTH.
Love the prosecutor’s head in his hand after the main question.
He should be holding his head in a basket if there was any justice in America!
The guy should be awarded a medal for taking out these commies (in self-defense) instead of being put on trial by a bunch of other pinko commie hacks.
We see everything we need to in this short video. And it’s not about the case against Rittenhouse falling to pieces.
It’s about the fact we just listened to/watched a criminal describe his criminality calmly and without rebuke, admitting guilt, and not one person in that courtroom acknowledged it. Not the judge, not the states attorney, not the bailiff, and not even the defenses attorney.
We are in the upside down. Buzzaro world. And we are farther along then most realize.
Coincidentally, History channel was airing “A Few Good Men tonight”. I got sucked in because movies and tv shows pre 2000 are much more entertaining than anything the last two decades.
Anyway, the end of the movie when Nicholson admits to the code red, all the attorneys understand what he’s just done. The only one that doesn’t is Jack himself. Until the lawyers and judge explain to him he is now an accused criminal. That is exactly what should have happened today.
And to be honest, if we had even a shred of law in our country, both men would have been charged from the start until it was all sorted out.
We are so far past the rubicon and yet nary a soul even realizes it.
Scary days ahead. And right soon.
The judge should have had the bailiff place Grosskreutz under arrest before he left the stand for the Attempted Murder of Kyle Rittenhouse.
Chicago Tribune calls Grosskreutz a “lone survivor”. *Spit*. Where does this dude work? Claims how he spends his time, money and education is his business. What EMT station does he work for? Soros Firehouse?
Forgot the link. https://news.yahoo.com/lone-survivor-kyle-rittenhouse-shooting-003900078.html
I have watched this video at least a half dozen times, and every time that stenographer’s face gets to me, as in clearly Grossfudpucker was not supposed to say that. The look, as in something has gone terribly wrong, is all over her face. She keeps eyeing the prosecution’s table, at least based on the camera angle.
I sure hope Kyle and his family end up w/a cash cow after this is over. They have been homeless and all the rest, their lives have not been easy, and on top of everything they are going through this madness.
The government prosecutors in this case should be disbarred for knowingly bringing charges against an innocent victim who clearly acted in self defense. They also withheld evidence from the defense team. This must stop. Hopefully the judge has the spine to punish the state on this.
I know the screen shot of the prosecuter with his head in his hands is priceless, but did anyone else notice the look on the stenographers face???
Yes! Almost like she knew what he was going to say, and then when he didn’t she was stunned. Reminded me of a shocked Hillary Clinton face.
gaige grosscruetz was going to shoot rittenhouse but rittenhouse shot him first in self defense.
I watched some of the trial on YouTube. Ugh. For some reason I can’t stop looking at how dark the circles are under his eyes.
Why isn’r this guy Grosscreutz charged with public disorder, rioting, brandishing, attempted murder, etc?
Add felon in possession of a firearm! Both state and federal charges!
My bet is he made a deal with the system for his testimony against Kyle, as the sole survivor merc of the attacks by the mercenaries on Kenosha. The system coordinates with the national system of mercenary protection so no skin off their nose. He has a rap sheet but no felonies. More effective looking clean.
how the guardian framed this story; the headline read ” the man shot by kyle rittenhouse thought he was going to die.” i would imagine kyle thought the same thing.
I watched this video and longer version. The demeanor of this foul pos (apologies for vulgbut he is truly a murderering ykw), and Kyle is stark. He pointed a gun at young Kyle and was going to kill him, he admits there was a bullet in the chamber, yet he did not tell multiple policemen this, and stands smiling, claiming Kyle was going to murder him. Kyle could have moved his weapon a few inches and killed him. Instead, when he approached and pointed his weapon at Kyle’s head, Kyle shot his arm; not his body or head.
Kyle is serious and frightened. This pos thinks he is a folk hero. I hope he gets Newsome’s vax reaction.
I don’t think Kyle intentionally shot Grosskreutz in the arm as you suggest. As a defendant, there is no such thing as intentionally shooting to wound if you’re claiming self defense ( “I though I was going to be killed”). Grosskreutz pointed a gun at Kyle. Kyle, fearing for his life, shot him. The bullet hit Grosskreutz in the arm. That simple.
No, the proper self defense is to shoot at body mass. Rittenhouse shot the assailant in the arm which was holding the gun at his face.
Kyle was probably a little disoriented from being knocked in the head with a skateboard otherwise it would have been center mass.
Will the prosecution now stop and withdraw the charges or will it be up to the judge to do so with prejudice?
Will Rittenhouse be able to sue for malicious prosecution?
The purpose of bringing this weak case is to get an acquittal that leads to massive riots. They are not done destroying the cities and urban lives yet.
Could also be justification for bringing federal charges against Kyle. The process is the punishment and continues the narrative of attacks on firearms, an armed populace and self-defense.