Before getting to the sketchy part; first, let’s talk….
There has been a great deal of discussion about the vitriolic, almost rabid disposition of people who are pushing the vaccination.
This should not be a surprise, although it might be disconcerting to find formerly reasonable people in your network, perhaps even in your family, now become seemingly unhinged if the subject arises.
It is demonstrably true, there has been a cleaving of our American population as the debate about the COVID vaccination rages on. However, it is wise to consider the underlying psychology of a person who has been vaccinated, before engaging in an argument. You may end up being entirely correct in your position; however, an intense or combative argument? At what cost?
A vaccinated person is, as a consequence of their decision, in an irreversible frame of mind. Once the vaccination has been injected into a persons body, there is no turning back; the Rubicon has been crossed, the event horizon closes, there is no retreat. Any conversation or debate about vaccine efficacy or long-term consequences with a person who has accepted the vaccine must be weighed accordingly.
Genuine empathetic listening is needed on both sides.
The no-retreat baseline can, often does, form the origin of anger and vitriol, particularly in unstable leftists -who are, by nature of their ideology- professional blame-casters and prone to emotional responses as a matter of disposition. Therefore, it is better to avoid the topic entirely (if possible) and retain your peace of mind.
♦ Revelations over the past few years have led to the complete collapse of credibility for many institutions. The healthcare field is the latest example of a politically controlled ideological industry that can no longer be trusted to make decisions based on a detachment from their political interests.
The healthcare industry has joined the education system, the justice system (DOJ), law enforcement (FBI), the intelligence system, arts and entertainment, as well as many organizations now controlled through the prism of politics. Political ideology, as the determining factor of institutional behavior, has infected almost every facet of modern life; healthcare is no exception.
Given the nature of the metastatic corruption, very visible in multiple institutions, it is completely understandable that more people would not trust the National Institute of Health (NIH), the Centers for Disease Control (CDC), the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) or any other regulatory body or agency now vested in the COVID vaccine.
Factually, as previously stated, the FDA final approval of the vaccines is a moot point. The FDA, just like a vaccinated person, is in a no retreat position. There is no way the U.S. FDA cannot approve the vaccines that have been sold, forced and pushed upon the entire global population. Can you even begin to imagine the ramifications of the FDA saying the vaccine was (a) unsafe; or (b) ineffective? Think about it. FDA approval is a foregone conclusion, regardless of safety or efficacy.
There is every reason not to trust the healthcare industry on the issue of vaccination(s). Indeed, their obtuse behavior, logical disconnect, false assertions and gross hypocrisy is more than enough to create doubt about the vaccine. Then overlay the lack of consequence for all known institutional corruption, and there’s even more reason to doubt them.
♦ Two key issues stick in my mind about the COVID vaccines that make me pretty firm in opposition:
(1) The fact that vaccine makers would abandon the clinical trial control group is a big red flag. The fact that vaccine makers could not abandon the clinical trial control group without authorization from the FDA, CDC and NIH is an even bigger red flag. {Go Deep}
The clinical trial was assembled to produce only one result. THAT is not science. THAT is sketchy and points to an ulterior motive. That is not science, that’s political science.
(2) The fact that data shows the vaccine provides no benefit is another big red flag. Specifically, the equal hospitalization rate of vaxxed and non-vaxxed patients. Almost every study I can find with data on COVID hospitalized cases that includes the vaccination status (not many), shows an equal percentage of vaccinated/hospitalized people to the vaccinated population in general. {Go Deep}
[ex. If 75% of the regional population is vaccinated, then 75% of the hospitalized COVID patients are vaccinated.] This statistic demonstrates the vaccine doesn’t stop serious illness.
Put both of those issues together, and overlay the demonstrably collapsed institutional credibility, and I am not comfortable with this specific vaccine.
I am not anti-VAX, I am not comfortable with THIS specific vaccination. And, again, once administered there is no retreat.
We should all cherish, respect and value the differences of opinion of this very personal issue. Healthcare is a personal and private matter. Other people have different factors, risk-factors and hundreds of considerations that guide or have guided their decision. We should all respect that; and we do not want to see ‘vaccination status‘ become a fragmentation problem for our CTH community. We are all in the same foxhole.
♦ALL OF THAT said, Dr. Ryan Cole is a Mayo-trained physician who has seen over 350,000 patients in his career. He also serves as the CEO of Cole Diagnostics, which has processed over 100,000 Coronavirus tests. Dr. Cole gave an alarming presentation that merits consideration:
WATCH VIDEO HERE
In response to criticism for his position, Dr. Cole wrote:
“I am concerned about the lack of long term safety data, because this vaccine is simply too new. We have never tried an mRNA vaccine in humans before. I am concerned about the implications of injection of foreign, synthetic mRNA and the antibody reaction which cannot be reversed. It concerns me that large numbers of individuals are being essentially enrolled in a long term phase III clinical trial for the vaccine without being fully informed of this, with no ability for recompense if injured or in case of death. I am concerned by the number of adverse event and deaths that have been reported in correlation with this vaccine administration.” (link)
The ‘No Recompense’ in case of injury or death should be in the top 3 concerns of anyone getting the jab.
When my GP was pushing me to get the vaccine, I asked him to sign a letter stating I can hold him liable if I should have an adverse reaction.
He practically accused me of listening to ‘misinformation’ and to consider getting the shot.
Family members have gotten the vaccine and my son is currently in a dispute with ex-wife who wants their 12 year old to get it. He has full custody which is holding her off for the time being.
I think SD’S advice on how to deal with this is dead on right. I am being respectful but not engaging. I do not intend to get it unless those who depend on me can sue for damages on case of death or injury.
Since the 1986 law states Big Pharma cannot be sued for vaccine adverse reactions and because the radical globalists have framed this as a worldwide health crisis, that will never happen ergo I will not get it.
That doctor pulling a deflection maneuver citing misinformation is so sure of himself then he should have no problem signing the liability letter. If he doesn’t then he has reservations about the vaccine.
Truth is he gets paid to inject no coin if he doesn’t.
It’s not the money for most doctors, they are terrified not to be vaxx cheerleaders.
They fear for their license, social standing, lifestyle, and I believe deep down they fear they’ve risked their patients for politics or career.
This is the tyranny of government. Using its authority to leverage third party to do its bidding.
This is why it needs to be removed.
Fearing for license, social standing, lifestyle – these are all things associated with the money of the career.
We see clearly now one Achilles Heel of our modern corporatized paradigm, and healthcare is an especially powerful example precisely because healthcare became too rich and powerful. Last I checked it edged out manufacturing in share of GDP in America, 21% vs. manufacturing declining past 20% – that’s a bellwether of America’s decline, where healthcare is replacing mfg and is a main source of affluence for many now.
In fact, if this whole thing was planned (as many signs indicate), the psychology of healthcare professionals in the tightly-controlled and regulated field was no doubt a key part of the plan.
But to be sure, anyone who stands for truth and doing the right thing against the evil pushing the harmful unnecessary shots, may risk all. In today’s covid fascism, the mobthink has taken over. It’s like watching 1930s Germany all over again.
For some, losing a job could drop them down to a place one step from the street. I’m ready to lose my job when I refuse the shot and testing and mask, and I pray that God will provide. People will need to be willing to sacrifice like this to stop the tyranny, or it is already too late to salvage our freedoms.
“13 “No servant can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or else he will be loyal to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and mammon.”
Luke 16:13
God Bless you glassbreaker.
Every Dr I talked to, in person, face to face are against the jab and they haven’t take it and their families will not either.
Pfize CEO cancelled Israel trip because you have the be fully vaccinated to enter.
Let that sink in
Let the idea than government wants to control our lives. Pick who wins and who is toss to the street. The anger I have for this government knows no bounds.
Not true.
CLAIM: The CEO of Pfizer had to cancel a planned trip to Israel because he was not fully vaccinated.
AP’S ASSESSMENT: Missing context. The Aug. 5 post making this claim lacks the critical context that the trip was canceled in early March, before many people had been vaccinated. Albert Bourla, the chairman and CEO of Pfizer, announced on Twitter that he received his second dose of the vaccine on March 10.
https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-082947227981
AP is a liberal, biased publication that still insists the election was honest. An announcement on Twitter is not proof.
Haha. Thats right!! I was going to reply to the
post with an: AP …????
Thats like saying cnn said…
So, he’s paid a visit to Israel, then?
True, but that was in March 2021. I’ve seen no report since then if he has gotten the shots.
Amazing but encouraging. My experience is the exact opposite.
As a physician, I fully support them. Neither I, nor anyone in my family will be taking any of these vaccines.
My S.O.’s Dr. Urged him to get the jab, because of his”high risk” medical conditions.
Dr. Said “usually, there is only a 1 in 500,00 chance of bad reactions to vaccines.”
I begged him not to get the jab, but based on trusting his Dr……he got it.
* 1 in 500,000.
And the fact that 46% of health care workers have not gotten the shot should be a red flag.
Myself and other co-workers (nursing home, Long Term Acute Care) have refused to take the vax. One of the nurses who got the jab told us of side effects besides getting extremely sick from the vax. Her hair is falling out in clumps when showering, her skin texture and color is changing. She went on to state that she was not getting the 2nd round of the vax; I think it’s too late for her. Some of the workers who were vaxxed seem to be okay, but I heard stories of swelling, large lumps on the arms, etc.
A few weeks ago, there was a drawing for a $500 cash prize; only those who were vaxxed could enter the drawing. An “Infection Control” nurse won the cash prize; she’s part of the administration. No surprise there. I don’t care if the prize was $5,000. I’m still not getting the jab.
Now I’m hearing that the so-called Delta variant does not exist, according to Dr. David Martin.
Fear, media hype, profits for Big Pharma, and coercion are the cogs that keep the Scamdemic machine up and running.
The Delta variant can’t exist because no one has ever isolated the actual covid virus at all. Ever. That means they can’t prove the covid virus even exists because it hasn’t been isolated. Every virus has been isolated,, always but covuid has not, ever. There are plenty if world renowned doctors saying this and of course they are censored. Look around the web.
It’s incredibly galling that “science” and healthcare have come to this. Whatever happened to the Nuremberg laws?
How can it be legal to constantly harass and coerce healthy people into becoming test subjects for big Harma, who racks in all the the dough while suffering no consequences?
It’s pitiful that people are doing this to their fellow man. Really pitiful. We pay lip service to “never forget” the Holocaust and yada yada yada.. but we NEVER learn, do we?
We never learn.
setting aside vaccine refusal (there are plenty of bona fide reasons to refuse based on the unproven be efficacy AND safety of mRNA vaccine)…setting that aside…consider this question:
what single segment of people in society are most likely to have been exposed to the virus, many strains of it, over a prolonged period of time, up close and personal, day in and say out?
health care providers!..
why is this important to consider?
of any other segment in society, we would expect with the highest probability and confidence that health care providers would either
a. get very sick
and or
b. acquire natural immunity.
a. did not happen..
b. is what happened.
next crucial question:
did the CDC, NIH, who, FDA, drug makers. ANY perform ANY serological antigen test AT SCALE (A meaningful be sample size) of this segment of people to learn how they acquired immunity, how long, etc?
answer:. NO SUCH STUDY WAS EVER DONE FOR THIS VERY INFORMATIVE SEGMENT!
the fact so many refuse isn’t surprising or shocking…generally speaking health care providers are typically rational balanced people.
what IS SHOCKING is why there was no effort by anyone to learn how these people managed to literally face down this virus and yet not get sick…
I think we know that answer… and it most certainly wasn’t related to purely and face diapers.
how about their families, children…no study there either!
why is science not interested in knowing how natural immunity operates against c19?
broadly
if the latest mutation, delta, is so dire…
why is international travel in and out if the united states still a thing?..
isn’t THAT how this virus carved through the globe in record time?
if this strain is so much more dangerous, why are there open borders at record levels testing positive … illegals literally being flown around and dumped into large density cities?
broadly…if the rt PCR is so sensitive to c19 and can differentiate between Sara 2003…can anyone point where the CDC has retooled the test to be sensitive to delta? how are they arriving at delta positive cases? certainly not with the field kits!
Houston…we have a problem
*purell and face diapers*
Surely those in the medical are so thoroughly brainwashed, it is impossible to reach them
With facts
And for those on the front lines are very worn down by
the terrible things they have seen & experienced.
Heart breaking!
It’s nice to hear of another father getting full custody.
Having fought that fight and won, I can appreciate it.
It was for things like this that I fought for it.
Is your son allergic to any foods that contain any of the ingredients in the vaccines such as Acetic Acids, Potassium Chlorides, etc?
Does your ex understand that both Moderna and Phizer Biontech both emphatically state that “The Vaccines “may” prevent COVID-19?
Does your ex know that the Supreme Court in 1995 discussed and decided that “shall” means “may” which in legal documents, implies a discretion of use?
It never hurts to become wise.
Eric Clapton is one who did change his mind on the vax. ?
But what I’ve found from most people I know who got jabbed is that they did it because they wanted to be compliant with their employers wishes. They know what we’re saying about the vax is correct, but they lack the will to “fight the power”, so to speak.
But I also know big Trump supporters who got the jab because PDJT said it was safe and the right thing to do. I just sigh when I talk to them. ?
I will simply state what has been on my mind. As much as I love President Trump, he was elected into a system so corrupt all outcome was outside his control. That said, some of his statements about the vax are concerning to me.
Yes, I’m not thrilled with him or frankly any other politician that tells people the vaccines are safe/great/advised.
Pres Trump….. is the trojan horse in the race!
Same here. I think President Trump might have pushed them too hard but I also understand the situation he was facing.
Yup! he was between a rock and a hard place. The CCP flu came about under his watch. He put together a program (Warp Speed) to create a vaccine(s). What can he say but “take it…if you choose to”. If he didn’t say that, he’d be mimicking Harris and China Joe who both publicly denounced any Vac coming out of his Admin.
“Warp” Speed.
Care to go to Wikipedia and look up the Warp Speed citation and click on the thumbnail of the obligatory pseudo-military ‘Operation insignia’?
As shown by Soviet submarine Cpt Ramius , if you charge straight at the incoming torpedo if will crash into your hull but it won’t sink you.
ps, how long was that video linked by Sundance?
who are Herr Quandt’s heirs and what have they got to do with graphite?
Is the world mad?
He ONLY purchased the product in advance in the event the FDA did it’s job.
This was ONLY to manufacture simultaneously as it was being studied by the FDA that is supposed to be there to protect us.
The approval of the jab by President Trump was one of the least resisted things by the left. Anything else he did was met with GREAT resistance. As Sundance sometimes says, “Funny That”.
there was quite a bit of pushback against trump early on with warp speed from the Corruptors.
this will get played again soon …as the vaccine is shown black and white it does not work…and has caused problems, deaths, and crafted mutations that WILL (not if) be resistant to both natural immunity and any vaccine …
remember this…
right now c19 targets just one cell for entry and delivery of payload.
sooner than later the vaccine will pressure steer this virus to target one or more other cells beyond ace2.
when the virus picks up that “skill”…and it will..
we won’t be talking about purell, face diapers, and lockdowns…
we will be talking about how to survive a post pandemic death toll of biblical proportions.
get ready.
stage 3 advances…faster that you can expect.
the reckoning.
be unafraid…
get right with God
How he managed the situation, looking back, nothing do I envision he might have done differently.
And, I could be remembering wrong, was not VP Pence appointed to head up the c19 taskforce? Looking back at the vice-president’s actions with the post election moves it is not difficult to suspect he misled our President with the taskforce too.
I have thought the same about Pence. He was in charge of the committee that was planning covid response and clearly he’s untrustworthy.
At the least, Pence was incompetent. The task force’s mission and staffing was far to narrowly focused.
You don’t mean 30Pence?
More like sixpence
pence is a low grade idiot.
you know…a moron.
he and Kamala compete for living brain donor status
Uh, by at least April 2020
Trump should have shoved Birx and Fauci off the stage and put broad-viewed, non-government public health people on the task force.
While I do not disagree canning Birx and Fauci would have been good, the left and media would have gone ape scat bonkers and the President would not have survived the onslaught calling for impeachment. Republicans in the Senate would have salivated at that opportunity. I have zero doubt.
President Trump had to let it play out, imo.
One of the things we all liked about Trump was his disregard for what the Left and the media thought. We cannot then defend him by saying he was afraid of them.
We did this to ourselves. President Trump showed us the way out of this mess (HCQ) but we didn’t take him up on it. Early on, we wore those useless masks and we hid in our homes from each other. We forced businesses to close. We stayed away from everybody, even our own dying parents.
That was US, not him.
What was our President to do to placate these fearful sheeple who couldn’t get out of their own way? Of course he had to find something, a panacea, to appeal to US to reopen our downtowns before our economy crashed and burned for good.
Of course, the sheeple ran toward the vaccines because that is what the TV people told them to do! They were also told by their President to take HCQ in March, but did they listen?
I agree that the populace allowed the leaders to run roughshod over them, but I personally resisted from day one. I didn’t cower in my house and I never wore a mask except at a few medical appointments, and this was in both Illinois and North Carolina where masks were mandated.
I knew from the get-go this was a scam and when I called early on (April 2020) for Trump to change the task force and dump Fauci, I got flack from many here who were gleeful about Trump’s “zingers” and his supposedly giving Fauci the rope to hang himself, AKA the old 4D chess thing.
Trump never should have endorsed the ridiculous phased reopening plan and I said so at the time.
This is not on us. It’s on the so-called leaders on the right, none of whom had the common sense and vision to see what this was, or if they did, didn’t have the courage to call out the naked emperor.
I’ll always believe he was sold a bill of goods by Fauxci and Birx and their fear mongering.
President Trump was trying to solve a big problem by cutting red tape at the FDA. Big Pharma already had this stuff in the pipeline, no thanks to Fauci, Gates, et al. They invented this (Fauxci predicting a pandemic three years ahead of time in 2017), they financed it with our tax dollars, they own it, they will pay a price some day.
Just to clarify. He cut no red tape..he purchased it in advance to allow manufacturing to be simultaneously done with evaluation.
In a GOOD world the trial would have failed, and the American people lose billions due to warpspeed buying in advance.
The real :big problem” was not pharma red tape, but the trampling of rights and economic destruction, which was already evident by May 2020, and which was not part of the task force’s mission as itc should have been. COVID should never have been the sole focus .
He was in a very tight spot.
There were many things we didn’t know last year… it was really a ‘fog of war’.
I don’t blame Trump for taking the shot, indeed, I think he had Big Balls to have done it.
He wasn’t put in a tight spot. He was maneuvered into it
Funny, but I and many others saw through the fog immediately. I won’t apologize for expecting greater insight from people given great power and responsibility.
It seems not one single Trump advisor saw any of this coming and that lack if vision and will is still playing out. That’s why we’re losing.
At the Time. And if he would of said vaccines like this will kill everyone….. How believable would the Biden win have been with a full year of calling pdjt antiscience kook.
Again our brains are being seeded to make us incapable of long term memory sufficiently unless you have superior genes for this function.
Genetic lobotomy by inhibiting it’s product until we can excise that Gene via crispr/cas9 mosquito
He didn’t have to say that. But he also dudnt have to tout them as the way back to normal.
President Trump said the vax was a choice. Biden wants to make it mandatory. Big difference.
President Trump was mislead by his advisers. He tried to allow other treatment but was shot down by the medical profession.
he’s a man…a lion of a man…but still human.
fact is, there are many well regarded patriots who then and some still do support “vaccine”
it’s a reality the subject matter is quite complex…coupled with a novel virus… AND a novel “vaccine”.
trump was ahead of his skis because this was the best information and policy he had at the time…
it’s easy to quarterback after the game is over…so we have to be careful.
how many people do you know where speaking up authoritatively opposed to mRNA then?
fewer than 100 figures world wide.
none of them got air time.
you had to look and research hard to find then.
now…thousands are coming forward…and still pretty much given the silent treatment.
big picture.
this virus and this mRNA doesn’t care who was right or wrong…it’s gonna do exactly what they were both designed to do.
Trump was indeed a great President. It’s ironic that having the best of intentions helped bring him down.
The movie to watch is ‘White Squall’. (Jeff Bridges plays the Cpt.) The ship is lost in the storm but the crew are loyal, they understand and they testify at the inquiry..
I gained a lot of respect for Eric Clapton. I also have neuropathy so just another reason to stay away from the Jabs. I believe his experience over pro Jabs propaganda that state the Jabs are ok for people that have neuropathy and take Gabapentin.
As I have mentioned I never agreed with President Trump regarding the Jabs. I know he is pro choice but he is pro Jab and recommends them.
I’m on immunosuppressants to stop my immune system from attacking me. My two neurologists, one from a world famous clinic, recommended the jab, but I’ve ignored them. It seems illogical to accept into my body a substance designed to excite my immune system.
A friend of mine, who knew I was a supporter of President Trump, was flabbergasted that I was reluctant to take the vax.
As much as I love President Trump, I think at times he was between a rock and a hard place. I believe he thought of Fauci with a lot of skepticism. But he didn’t have a crystal ball and did what he thought would be the safest thing for the American people. He listened to a lot of “experts” that were ready to stab him in the back to get him to fail. Nothing else was working to take down his Presidency. He was having success on so many fronts. The American people were winning just like he said we would. Covid was another “insurance policy” courtesy of the CCP and the lying POS Uniparty.
This same friend also admitted that some day she may feel sorry she got the vax. She’s honestly the only person I know of that is even willing to see the possibility that it may not have been the best course of action.
I have been very leery of the vaccine from the beginning. We consulted several doctors and were told that with the existing severe co morbidities in one of us to definitely submit to the vaccine. At the time the promise was that it would protect against severe illness 85 % and it would be worth the risk. Our doctors sincerely believed this. Had I been younger, even with their assurances, I would not have submitted to it.
I do not believe that all doctors acted out of greed or fear of losing their license, at least not in the beginning. They were sold a bill of goods, just like we were, dealing with an unknown virus.
The silver lining in all this for me, that it exposed the evil of Big Tech, Media, government agencies and our elected officials. We suspected they were nefarious, now we know.
However, I expect far more individual research and pushback from doctors than I’ve seen.
Speculation re the vax will continue and be clouded by deliberate obfuscation. However, what is absolutely certain is that if, during the election seasons of 22 and 24, the media turn on a dime to tout the dangers of the vax, it will all be placed at the feet of Donald Trump. Just keep this in mind while we continue the process of evaluating the merits of scientific evidence presented from different sources.
In other words, don’t presume automatically that anti-vaxers are necessarily motivated by altruism.
(cont.)
It goes without saying that vaccine mandates are abhorrent. This debate has been going on since long before Covid and will continue as long as so many stand to earn so much from junk science.
He did it perfect. The approval was not by PDJT.
He simply used tax payer dollars to let pharma manufacture it as it’s going through clinical trial.
They could have of said this does not prevent covid, and we swallowed that huge money loss and destoryed all manufactured product.
but the moment the eua was allowed…and exempt liability protections…
THAT was a mistake.
if I take a trillion dollars and hold it out with such conditions as this…it’s inevitable deceit is going to happen.
this was a terrible idea.
the entire thing has been a dumpster fire fueled by circus feces.
MTeresa,
I thought similar things about the Trump support of the vax, until he attacked Rand Paul’s character the day after Paul put out a call for civil disobedience against the covid mandates.
Now I’m not so sure.
He attacked Rand Paul for dumping millions into support of a candidate for an Ohio House race DIFFERENT from the one he endorsed. Had nothing to do with the mandates. POTUS is opposed to mandates and “passports” too. Vigorously opposed !
I may have an uncomfortable choice to make but I’ve already decided. I will quit my job before being forced into taking the jab. There is just too much info now being exposed (like this important video posted by Sundance) to take the risk.
Luckily I can retire without financial impact and was planning on doing so in spring of 2023, but I did want to work the next 18 months to achieve some personal financial goals.
This is my moral obligation to my own health.
It is unfortunate others will not have the option, including my own son and his fiance.
What an awful position to be in. Thank God you are close to retirement. I really feel bad for people who are not in that close to retirement. It’s devastating.
I’ve been getting together with a group of friends for the past 28 years. All but two of us have not gotten the Covid Treatment (it’s not a vaccination because if it was like the polio vaccine, we would NEVER need a “booster). I fessed up to everyone before the next get together and said what my vax status was and that I wouldn’t be attending anymore. I didn’t want to discuss it and wished everyone well. A few reached out and said they appreciated my honestly and wished I would reconsider. Some just said good luck and see ya. That was pretty much what I viewed as a kiss off – those were the ones who I knew didn’t want me there. I knew I was outnumbered. That was my answer.
Some of these are hard decisions and I wish they didn’t have to be made. But I won’t put myself in a position of having everyone pile on me because my health decisions differ from theirs. Nor will I leave myself open to being blamed for someone’s “breakthrough” case. How am I supposed to defend myself from that when I am not sick?
My large, long-running interdenominational men’s Bible study group pretty much all fell for the COVID fear and is still holding only Zoom meetings. After getting one too many group emails mixing religion with COVID propaganda, I responded by expressing my disappointment. Only one person, an nonegenarian who agreed with me, responded. If they ever return to in-person meetings, I doubt I’ll be among them. Another casualty of the COVID response.
I think you’re doing the right thing and pray it will work out for you.
The only reason I got the vax was so that I could travel to see family and friends overseas.. no other reason.
Which is why it’s almost like health extortion.
Watch the same thing happen when we are at a point to qualify for Medicare. The government is going to withhold our coverage if we don’t get the jab.
People accept the jab because they want to “get along” and that’s fine with me.
The upcoming FDA approval crosses the rubicon.
It’s violence to remove our voice.
It’s violence stealing our election
It’s violence confiscating our work.
It’s violence violating our worship.
It’s violence forcing us to get vaccinated.
We must reciprocate what’s done to us…to them.
Trump supporters know Trump is not a doctor.
They are not stupid.
If they got the jab it’s because they followed the advice of their family doctor ,
which is what normal people do.
In this case, I’ve rejected my doctors’ advice and declined the injection.
And the sad thing is that these days there is no employer loyalty. You can, and will be let go in a heartbeat.
From the beginning of the jab roll out, for me, was the IRREVERSIBLE part that convinced not to go for it. It wasn’t so much the other issues.
But irreversible? Meaning, let’s try this out and see what happens and if doesn’t work… well…
When first afflicted by an autoimmune condition, I went through terrible symptoms similar to what we see in “vaccine” adverse affect videos. I cant imagine going through that again, knowing that I’d done it to myself and that there was no cure.
BTW, Sundance’ article from yesterday on the vax was the top article linked to on the Viva/Barnes Locals site (the best $5.00 I spend per month)! ?
People are hungry for debates, different views, questions, different solutions. You can’t find that in many places.
Incredible story, probably posted here before, but hope anyone who missed can see it.
Canadian man brings down Covid restrictions for all of Alberta
His case hinged on the Director of Health proving the SARS-2/Covid-19 virus exists.
He won because they could not, overturning all restrictions in Alberta province,
Canada.
Watch the video
https://estateartistry.com/blog.html
I think his point was that since they have not isolated the virus itself, the production of any vacciece is moot.
⬆️ THIS!
i maintain the best way forward is to “do the science.”
if those mechanisms aren’t in place, what if it happens again?
isolate, sequence, and map the dang thing so we can develop a real vaccine, if possible,
or validate an appropriate treatment protocol.
and if we find it’s artificial, shut down those responsible. for good.
even if you are of the opinion that the virus isn’t “real”
(although coronaviruses have been well known and described for years in the medical literature)
people are being vaccinated against it, potentially at great risk to themselves.
we need information, we have the top tier scientists who can do it,
we must find a way to make it possible for them to do so without negative repercussions.
what a mess.
I believe he succeeded because, being a party to the legal action against him, he had standing to demand material evidence for the plandemic rules that they said he violated, the subject of the court case.
That material evidence starts with an isolate of the covid-19 virus. Which does not exist. So they had to concede.
The question is: Can someone in the US do something similar?
The next question is: Why in the world is there no covid-19 isolate, after over a year and a half? It is standard virology protocol to isolate a viral sample, everything else depends on that including testing – and speaking of that, the covid-19 PCR was not based on a covid-19 isolate either, which further renders it invalid.
Is covid-19 a fiction? It would seem that this is possible.
(PS – this case is also very cool, because this guy is a roughneck but also educated and smart. They picked the wrong guy to mess with. Or maybe the right guy, if others can use this to crack the plandemic elsewhere too.)
Re “I believe he succeeded because, being a party to the legal action against him, he had standing to demand material evidence for the plandemic rules that they said he violated, the subject of the court case.
That material evidence starts with an isolate of the covid-19 virus. Which does not exist. So they had to concede.”
See my reply to Cole below…
I wish this were true, but if you go to Ezra Levant’s twitter (he’s Rebel News), there is information there that seems to contradict these claims.
And if it WERE true, you can be sure Ezra would be crowing over it.
I will await a trusted legal person to give the definitive word on this.
Not so fast…
Alberta’s Chief Medical Officer Dr. Deena Hinshaw made a series of announcements last week regarding the western Canadian province’s COVID-19 strategy.
On July 29, the Alberta government rescinded mandatory isolation periods for those that have come into contact with an individual who is known to have COVID-19.
Starting Aug 16, isolation periods following a positive test result will no longer be mandatory, and support for hotel isolation upon entering Canada will no longer be available.
Alberta will become the only jurisdiction in the North America not to have mandatory isolation periods for those known to be infected with the virus.
Masks won’t be mandatory in public transit, rideshares and taxies starting on Aug. 16, the province announced.
https://www.jurist.org/news/2021/08/canada-dispatches-alberta-lifting-of-covid-restrictions-prompts-public-protests/
Unfortunately no, the lockdown in AB ended in early July and this case was heard around the 20th so his case did not cause the change in policy. no_one_alberta_man_did_not_end_the_lockdown_and_mask_mandate
I am highly suspicious of these claims. You can find a CDC response letter to a foia request that makes it look like they said they have no isolated virus. On the other hand, the cdc website says they have been distributing isolated covid-19 virus since February 2020.
Has the Sars-CoV-2 Virus Ever Really Been Isolated? — News From The Perimeter
if you look closely at the letter, there is a lot of technical gobbledygook highly restricting the conditions of the isolated virus he is requesting information on. There is also a published paper the cdc references describing the isolation of the virus. Much much more technical gobbledygook than is in the letter.
Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome Coronavirus 2 from Patient with Coronavirus Disease, United States – Volume 26, Number 6—June 2020 – Emerging Infectious Diseases journal – CDC
It is highly likely that the information request is cunningly crafted in such a way that it omits the viruses that have been isolated, forcing the no response that is being politicized. But, I can’t tell. It is all gobbledygook to me.
What I have read concerning Alberta has a similar feel to it. And the experts forced into these ‘admissions’ are not acting like they have been caught. Still pushing Covid safety.
I wouldn’t choose this as the flag to rally around or the hill to die on.
Guys,
The goal of the pandemic is MASS MURDER.
They could care less about anyone’s bad effects or liability or anything else!
They simply want to KILL EVERYONE.
It’s a highly supervised and managed KILL OFF.
If that’s what they wanted, they could have just released a virus that was way more deadly.
Re “His case hinged on the Director of Health proving the SARS-2/Covid-19 virus exists.
He won because they could not…”
OH, WHAT A TANGLED WEB WE WEAVE WHEN WE FIRST FAIL TO CORRECTLY PERCEIVE!
According to Evidence – FindLaw, the legal definition of “material evidence” is “evidence that is likely to affect the determination of a matter or issue.”
The old adage that “A man who is his own lawyer has a fool for a client” comes to mind here…
I live in the DC area and most here are true believers in the System. There is no discussion with these Jab Cult members. I just avoid the subject and sometimes will just say I got it.
I am a President Trump supporter but I have never agreed about his support of the Jabs. I know he has said it’s a personal choice but he recommends the Jabs. There is no disputing that he is pro Jabs.
He was lied to. Remember Pence led the committee on COVID.
We were all lied to regarding the Jabs and some of us saw through it. My personal opinion is that President Trump took the bait. I don’t blame him but it is was it is. I am pro choice and my stand is anti Jab.
Rock meet hard place.
(I hope that isn’t too cryptic.)
PDJT did not take the vaccine.
He told you he took regeneron. He did a reality show on it. We saw him sick, missing, then come out defeating the ….
We saw him REMOVE his mask on the balcony before he went inside his home.
And he came out and immediately and ordered 500 million doses of Regeneron to be produced. They are STILL in warehouses, available fo use. Even my MD who will not prescribe Ivermectin or HCQ said he would do Regeneron if I needed it.
Being lied to is one thing. Persisting in believing the lie is another. Fool me once …
@Sabreman
You’re a Trump supporter in DC? I thought I was the only one.
Relatives who got the Jab are concerned for my health since I didn’t get it. (The press has gaslit them into thinking COVID is Ebola.) But they respect I’m adult who can make my own decisions.
But some left wing acquaintances are definitely in the Jab Cult. So, like you, I don’t discuss the Jab.
I fell for “ebola was gonna kill us all” and that inoculated me from this covidiousy.
(anyone see what I did there?)
Yes I am! I live 15 miles north of DC but still Swamp Land. Most of the friends I meet up with are pro Trump and anti Jab but in this area we are the minority.
He is not pro Jabs for everybody!
He admits he does not need a vaccine, it’s your body, your choice…
You should blame your family doctor if you feel pressure to get the jab.
There was a breakthrough a couple of months ago in distilling out what the triggers are for “long covid” from the shot. I’d have to try to search to find the links, but there must be someone who knows to what I refer.
Anyhow, the breakthrough meant that the damaging effects of the s-protein circulating in the body could be tamped down while the body mopped up the antigen. Recovery was slow but directionality was demonstrated. It was a very positive interview with the doctor/researcher who made the connection/discovery.
What that may mean, if indeed it is proven accurate what I heard, is that there is potential recovery from at least some of the effects of being inoculated.
Long covid is an increasing concern for me and I’ve been trying to learn more about it. It does seem like efforts are being made to better understand it and figure out treatment options.
From what little I’ve read and listened to thus far, it sounds like long covid could be related to the damage done by spike proteins and, depending on where in the body the damage concentrates, correlating symptoms will emerge. It sounds somewhat similar to what can happen post-vaccine with respect to the potential impact of spikes in the blood vessels and subsequent damage and injury that can occur. But not sure.
I noticed that Americas Frontline Doctors and the Covid 19 Critical Care Alliance have developed protocols to treat long covid, whcih is encouraging. That doesn’t mean the protocols are a sure fire fix, but there are doctors (though precious few) out there who are putting drug cocktails together to help people suffering from it. So there is hope.
I also seems that developing long covid is not some rarity. Given the frequency with which it occurs, the medical community should be burning the midnight oil trying to help people who get it, but the medical community has lost its way so it’s a slow slog.
https://www.healthrising.org/blog/2021/07/21/patterson-cracked-long-covid/
THIS is the guy I was referring to. The article is one I have only skimmed. Dr. Patterson is the one I heard interviewed. Apparently, it wasn’t a couple of months ago but was last December. Time has warped.
Thank you. And, yes indeed, time as warped along with everything else going sideways!
Sarah, Bill Sardi at Lew Rockwell’s web page has been drawing connections since the beginning to deficiencies in several vitamins and minerals and syptoms of the virus. Check it out! If you don’t get levels of B1, B12, Zinc, Selenium (as I recall), C and D up, it is going to persist.
There are several websites dealing with how to possibly detox from the Satan’s clot shot.
My plan is to avoid as long as possible and argue my autoimmune problem preclude the jab and hope sanity returns although this article pretty much kills that idea.
I object to the method of production/contents but religious exemptions don’t carry a lot of weight any more.
This is what I’m praying for!
We are the control group. We’re also the only unedited humans left on this rock..
So if asked why you didn’t get the jab you can truthfully answer “I’m in the control group – sacrificing myself for the good of humanity”
“What have YOU done for humanity lately?”
May I have your permission to use that? I go into their echo chamber often. I’d love to throw that into the chat box.
A vaccinated person is, as a consequence of their decision, in an irreversible frame of mind. Once the vaccination has been injected into a persons body, there is no turning back; the Rubicon has been crossed, the event horizon closes, there is no retreat. Any conversation or debate about vaccine efficacy or long-term consequences with a person who has accepted the vaccine must be weighed accordingly.
Yes, agree 100%. We can only hope that those who submitted, unknowing of the terrible consequences, can find some remedy to their situation through treatments to reverse the blot-clotting spike proteins. I am seeing some options such as bromeline (sp?) and a few others.
I want to reach out and warn them but the majority are so defensive they refuse to entertain the thought that they have made a terrible mistake in taking the vaccine.
It’s over.
You cannot positively inform someone they were injected with a…..
It would be like telling your wife or husband you gave them aids.
Thanks Sundance. Very well put. I would urge people who have not yet taken the shot to delay if they possibly can, in order to let the side effects profile develop. Especially if you are under 60 years old in essentially no danger.
Also, I hope to see some of you at the intellectual froglegs barbecue this afternoon!
Hubby and I will be there! I’m wearing a bright pink blouse. Hubby is devastatingly handsome.
I wish I had seen this earlier. Was there in my Stand up for Betsy Ross t-shirt. I thought it was a great night. My team won the game and will be in the next Intellectual Froglegs video!
We are going to find out soon that many swamp club members pushing this jab on us didn’t take the jab themselves.
Much like profiting from insider trading. They spout one thing knowing that the thing that is going to happen is very different.
even some who PRETENDED to get the VAX on camera…like Fauxci who rubbed the WRONG arm afterwards
I just hope Bill Gates, George Soros, and Klaus Schwab all got the jabs.
I’d prefer they all get covid and not be cured and suffer a long, painful death. But that’s just me.
https://www.vaccinedeaths.com/2021-08-06-us-physicians-lose-medical-license-reporting-vaccine-injuries-informed-consent.html
and then there is this!
The Federation of State Medical Boards is not a government agency. It is an clearing house organization that collects and disseminates disciplinary information about physicians it receives from the U.S State Boards, NIH, Canada, Army etc. The statement about loss of license came from them.
I would hope many state governors will have some issues with their respective licensing boards if this were to come to pass.
Here is my empathy for anyone who suffers adverse reactions by granting “informed consent” to take an experimental, emergency-use, gene-therapy, investigational vaccine:
“If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.” ~ Samuel Adams
If you are unvaxxed, it’s best not to share that information. Lie to your doctors (they send your vaxx information to your primary care but not all your other doctors) – screw up the data and don’t get put on a list by your doctor’s electronic records.
Lie to your neighbors – you have no idea if they would send the authorities to your door if (when) they come knocking.
Lie to your family and friends – don’t assume you can trust them. Even if they wouldn’t intentionally harm you, they might think it was for your own good to turn you in to the health authorities if (when) they come knocking.
Anywhere you self-report your status – lie. It might even be worth it to set up social media accounts and put one of those stupid “We can do this” I’ve been jabbed frames around your picture.
Hey Lulu, having to write about lying to all comers doesn’t bode well for any of us.
The “Nooo Amehreekah” they are installing will not end well for anyone. (that includes the enthusiastic installers too)
Sometimes you just have to play defense.
I tell people when asked that I am up to date on all my vaccines i.e. quackzines
LOL. But, seriously, I conduct my life as if I were one of the privileged ones (because I was born free and they don’t get to take that away from me). I don’t mask up. I ignore the signs stating that the unvaxxed should mask up, social distance, etc. I don’t hesitate. I don’t entertain questions from strangers. I go about my life as if there was no covid hysteria.
Your statements are most likely what many Germans were thinking when the anti-Jew propaganda started. They pretended to be Nazi’s in order to keep their families safe, keep their jobs, etc. There are many who banded together, creating the underground, to rescue the Jewish people, their children. And yes, they lied, in order to save as many as they could. It’s a serious moral dilemma. I personally have no problem with telling an outright falsehood, with conviction, if it meant protecting innocent people.
I don’t know about the lying angle, but keeping my mouth shut and not putting ‘everything’ has always worked for me. ?
Exactly. Just because someone asks you a question does not mean you have to answer. Stay silent.
I believe in freedom and will not lie about my God given right to make my own personal health decisions and will make no apologies for it. I’m sick of all the indignant, self-righteous leftist’s attitudes that they know everything when, in fact, they don’t. They’re deceptive, evil liars and we should never refrain from calling them out on it. Living a life to pacify them is not living freely. I kneel before the one true God only, and will go about living my life as I always have striving to adhere to “thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven”.
Lying always comes back to bite you harder the next time, or in this case, jab you the next time. So, no, I refuse to lie. I will always tell the truth, no matter what.
I was just thinking about this today. I’m an open guy and tend to tell the truth and am ready to have a discussion about the “vaccines”, but I’m now leaning towards saying that I was raised to believe it’s inappropriate to talk about your health or your finances in public.
The problem with saying you are vaxxed if you are not (aside from the fact that it is lying):
It reinforces the narrative that getting the vax is normal and right, when more people say they are vaxxed. Bad influence on others.
Don’t worry, when it comes down to it the authorities will assume that any anecdote or hearsay they possess may be inaccurate. They will “ask” you to attest to your status. At some point, if this insanity continues, they will probably have a rapid test to determine vax status. Maybe a scanner for the forehead or right hand. (Revelation 13:16-18)
I agree Sundance and would say that I don’t blame people for taking the vaccines as they were convinced it was deadly. That being said, if people would just take time and search out the knowledge that a specific age group was in the crosshairs of Covid-19 they might have said, No, thank you anyway.
Without gaining this proper knowledge, one would never know that if you are one Blood thinners, this vaccine creates problems, the ingredients in the vaccines can cause adverse reactions as well and may cause death to some.
Knowledge, truly is power to the point it can save ones life.
DR.BRYAN ARDIS: “WE ARE WITNESSING INTENTIONAL MEDICAL GENOCIDE”
https://www.bitchute.com/video/gJm9YGiaoOfe/
Everyone needs to watch Dr. Ardis. For God’s sake people. Where are the brains you were born with???? Does someone have to do your research for you??? These jabs are created by the same people who destroy every democrat city with Antifa and BLM people hitting our Police with cement bricks, throwing firebombs at the Police, destroying businesses and committing the unspeakable act of Mu——-. and you wonder if you should take the shot. DUH!!!!!!!! Oh, forgot….they are threatening to break down your doors at your home and force you to take the jab. Where are your brains?????
Picture man standing in front of tanks in Tiananmen Square. That will be me.
As for family discussing the jab. I disagree with SD. Don’t focus on performance of the vaccine but the choice and ask should government create a law requiring every citizen to get it. The conversation has to be individual liberty not forced compliance.
Mike, please know… In law, words matter. The Supreme Court in 1995 discussed and decided the word “Shall” means “may”
and ever since, the drafters of legal documents, are having to rewrite codes.
I guess my point is, “Requires” is not a mandate whether the governments believe it or not, it’s what the reader knows to be true, or not.
”Words of Art” are used everyday on unsuspecting people and that’s why law is so important for everyone to learn and use in their favor.
Sorry Mike, I’ll be more specific. Because “shall” means “may” the words they use now are “Must” and “Must not.”
“Shall” is mandatory.
“May” is optional.
“Must” is not in legal documents I’ve had the pleasure to peruse.
The gubmint can create all the so called laws they want. I’m not taking their mystery potion.
At this point I just would rather they stop playing the threat games and physically try to needle rape me against my will.
At least that way I will have some control of the outcome.
I just watched the video.
Things that make my spidey sense go into overdrive……………
AND oh by the way, I’ve given up on trying to discuss this with family and friends. I’m not going to change the mind of anyone.
This is going to get ugly real soon…………
MTeresa: It’s ugly now.
No media would air a prime-time program like that. The MSM is all in on the covid fraud.
“Why have we not…?” That would imply that we have a choice. “Will the pharmaceutical companies now take financial responsibility…?” In a word , “NO.” They required immunity in order to deliver
Spot on, SD. My position exactly. I’m not anti-vax in general… I’m anti these particular vaxxes. I watched Dr Cole’s presentation this morning. Devastating.
And if you want to go even deeper, explore the two links in this post:
https://www.smalldeadanimals.com/2021/08/06/acceptable-catastrophic-error/
You need not declare your position in terms of “anti-” anything. Rather, simply state that you are pro-vax…and that this is NOT a vax.
I did that in the doctors office
When he asked me why I didn’t get covid vax?
I said I was up to date on my vaxxes and that
The covid vax was not a vaccine
Just because they changed the meaning of the word in the dictionary
I’m not stupid and I don’t buy it.
No reply just a nod
You would think a medical professional would make a point of examining available data and information that directly concerns the safety of a procedure they are supposed to administer.
What does it take to see a video like this and then just go ahead. Even more, attacking anyone who might raise such objections.
The medical profession has completely forfeited its right to claim it has any adherence to the Hippocratic Oath.
Medical professional see a cash cow. The whole construct of community fails when one see opportunity to get ahead of others.
Prior to COVID, if you demanded that your doctor prescribe a non-approved drug with the death toll these have, he’d have thrown you out of his office. What changed?Do they have new knowledge? No, many haven’t even looked into the issue. They’ve been captured by the system.
Best grades went to medical school. This selected people who did what the teacher said, not necessarily the best thinkers (who were busy looking out the window, thinking).
I am getting quite tired of being called an idiot and worse for choosing to get the vaccine. I made the choice based on my circumstances. I can not give it back and I will live, or not, with my decision. Insults do not help. I find it problematic that sites that are otherwise libertarian-leaning or conservative have comment boards that are just as intolerant as the boards at liberal sites, just in an opposite direction of intolerance.
Thank you, Sundance, for addressing this. For the most part, I like the people here and I try to read every thread. However, for me the vaccine comment threads are somewhat like a person that has recovered fom severe depression being told he is going to die anyway and its his own darn fault.
Yes. I have not gotten the shot and don’t intend to, and it really bothers me that some self-identified Christians refer to it as the mark of the best (Rev 13 and 14). It is.
To put it mildly, it’s not nice to prattle about that with no regard for the peace of mind of some reader who is Christian, who got the shot, who perhaps wishes they hadn’t, and is already uneasy about what comes next. That is not nice, at all. And besides that, it’s theologically, eschatalogically, and hermeneutically sloppy. (just throwing the big words in there for fun)
Thank you for saying what you did, VibeMan.
The beast isn’t a jab it’s government assume authority it doesn’t have.
I’d assume you have to clearly know and choose to take the mark.
A vaccine is not clearly known to you as a mark, therefore it isnt.
Good point, WhiteBoard.
I am thinking you meant to say it ISN’T because it is not the mark of the beast referenced in Revelation…the mark is taken WILLINGLY not through deception and numbers 666
See my post above. There apparently is a therapeutic regimen that has been designed to restore the immune system to, or close to, its pre-inoculation state.
I whole heartedly agree. I too took the jab, based on the research a retired doctor who once saved my life deep in a cave system we were mapping. No one really knows how the mnra shot will effect us that took it. Plenty of cussin’ and discussin’ on both sides of this. I will continue to take necessary steps to keep my immune system as healthy as possible, and leave the rest to to the grace of the Lord.
I’m in a similar situation. But it’s water under the keel at this point.
I’m in a high risk age group and took the shot believing the short term risks of the getting the virus far outweighed the short and the long term risks of getting the vaccine.
So far, I’ve felt no ill effects that I can identify, and this week’s periodic checkup revealed nothing out of the ordinary in terms of my bloodwork, oxygen levels, and so on. But who knows what changes have happened inside me that a regular checkup won’t reveal.
Will I get the booster when the government and the local medical community starts pushing it? No way, Jose!
That’s an amazing story. It’s very powerful when you have a medical person save your life (no less in the setting you describe). That person would necessarily be highly trusted for guidance. I think you were very blessed to have someone like this. Few of us do as the medical profession is in a serious state of decline.
None of us knows our fate and we all will die someday from something. And as we limp along, we try to make the best decisions we can with the information at hand. If the government, in collusion with big business, weren’t trying to force this on us, I like to think we’d all have a bit more understanding and respect for each others decisions. But, alas, nothing is apolitical anymore in this new America. We’re on our own trying to make the best decisions we can for ourselves and our loved ones. All my best to you for good health.
Mayo Clinic docs saved my life but I am ignoring their advice on masking and the “vaccine”.
I don’t see it that way at all. The Jab information that is being reported here is consider disinformation by MSM.
Im curious, what was it that you heard or was told that led you to decide to get jabbed…? I mean, what inevitably convinced you?
This is one of many examples for why I do not get it….
Mike Pence: “I got the shot. My family got the shot. And I want to encourage anyone here who hasn’t gotten the shot who’s eligible to go get it.”
My wife has a history of severe illnesses. She has been rescued from the point of death three times. Her health is not good. We are getting old but are not yet it the very high risk demographic, but she is due to her preexisting conditions. She went to get hers and I went with her. I was not on the schedule. While there, she asked what happened to vaccines that might go to waste. They told her about the call in list in which a person that was not scheduled could give a phone number, and if there was a open spot, they would get a call. I was ambivalent. I sort of left it in God’s hands. I got a call and the rest is history.
It was very early in the cycle. My state was very efficient in getting to the high risk demographic which is why my wife was there. I am an industrial consultant and work in over two dozen businesses and factories and I was anticipating that they would have various levels of requirements eventually. Getting the vaccine put me in a position in which I could keep my consulting work in a few of the places I go. I am an elder in my church and have weekly responsibilities. I saw the vaccine as a lesser risk than loss of work and inability to serve my church because of contact tracing and quarantines.
It may have been a mistake, but my life is always in God’s hands. If he takes me home, that is not a bad thing.
Decisions are not always simple and binary.
I hear you.
Im working on getting a “passport” through someone who I know who has the connection. Just in case they try to prevent me from providing for my family over their political BS.
So what was your reasoning in getting the shot? If you were at risk of losing your job and you have dependents who rely on your income, I understand that.
But if you knew it was an experimental treatment, why would you subject yourself to it? Was it on a doctor’s recommendation? MSM propaganda?
I had a bad feeling about it from the start and anytime the gov tries to persuade you to do something, it’s usually bad advice and I don’t take it.
Trusting your country is normal..cause not trusting it leads to 1775
See my response to Free Speech above.
VibeMan,
I am so glad that you said something.
The enemy of Liberty is a cold heart.
It does no good to be “right” if we can’t keep our country, communities, and families together.
Good Greetings, VibeMan,
Know someone who got the shot because they’re an important breadwinner in a family with little children depending on their parents to keep food on the table and a roof over their heads.
I can be downright argumentative (and blunt!) with people before they get the shot to try to talk them out of it … But once they’ve taken it, I let them know I respect their decision and hope they will in turn respect my decision. And I pray for their good health and healing and that God reverse anything that could possibly cause harm. (The prayer is not meant as a “holier-than-thou” swipe, but is offered sincerely … and I hope others will pray for my good health and healing.)
I’ve become much more careful in discussing this topic in general after I was out in public once strongly speaking out against the vaccine and then came to find out the person I was talking to had just gotten the shot! I meant well … that said, I regret the way I handled the situation, hope I learned from it, and am striving to do better.
I agree that intolerance for ideas that deviate from what is supposed to be the “correct” view exists on the right just as it does on the left and it’s frustrating to say the least. No one should feel pressure to hold a particular view or feel nervous about deviating from the party line. That’s not to say that I appreciate trolls who come to sites just to stir up trouble, but I crave genuine debate about serious and challenging issues and it’s so disappointing to be shut down if one strays even slightly from what is presumed to be the “correct” opinion.
“Biden” really did not win is all anyone of us who know this to be true should need to know about the forced jab agenda.
When the global elitists collude to censor any negative information about an experimental drug they want mandated into your body after they just stole an election, you should be alarmed.
BIDEN DIDNT WIN…RESIST PERIOD
Hubby got into a face-to-face “conversation” with his sister a couple of days ago.
she wanted to know if he’d gotten the shot(s), and he said, “No!”
He refused to engage other than to say he’d had enough in his career and is now hyper-sensitive to all shots. End of conversation.
She, and the rest of their family all had them, and the other sister, previously very active and very healthy, now has neurological problems, cannot drive and gets dizzy. Complication? Hmmm. Glad I wasn’t there.
Thanks, Sundance! They simply cannot defend their position once they’ve made that decision. Talk is useless. They own it, we don’t. Free will.
I thought about this the other day. Remember the saying in the 70s, not to trust anyone over the age of 30? Those blokes are now in charge!
Just as I own my decision not too.
I wish I could give mine back. I can’t. So I will live with the consequences. That does not mean I have to make a public pronouncement. And, I DID NOT VOTE FOR BIDEN. As least I don’t think my vote got recorded for Biden.
To kill you, I would need to insert the platform/port to dock my next insert via booster.
First shot People are not dead now. They are clogged and can buffer it’s damage.
Why does every conversation have to start with “I’m not anti-vax.” Are we required to show a ‘not anti-vax passport’ to be allowed to speak from now on?
Its Political Correctness due to Fake News Peer Pressure. Same way they say Im not racist before they speak facts about certain black communities.
Good point. It’s like when people write or speak about Trump and seem compelled to say something about his flaws before launching into their positive statements about something he did or said. The constant disclaimer is not necessary and strikes me as a sign of cowardice.
If you’d let me inject mrna in you… I could tip your microbiome to a weakened state that left alone would simply allow the natural Pathogen versus Pathogen war going on internally daily to kill you ( selection based on what we want, could target unhealthy and old, or everyone).
Without injection, I cannot defeat your body… Because I need to be set behind enemy lines to be effective.. injected behind your defence.
We did this with plants to have them fertile for one cycle to have you come back for next year’s crop
( next year’s child making if approved by me after review of your good b-itch score)….
Try to see if this concept. Pathogen versus Pathogen. Adenovirus is a Pathogen. Engineer it to be weak and use it to deliver and anchor the product in every cell for detonation. If adenovirus is there anchored NOTHING ELSE CAN ANCHOR THERE and as it trys the body will clearrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr it from the system ( snot, spirit, mucus, etc). Meaningggg pathogens our body already is comfortable can anchor and block anchoring of pathogens we are not use to defeating ( so our defense is coating our anchoring points with weak pathogens)… But, if I want to kill you I anchor it with a unfamiliar more killer pathogen. How do i do that.
Insert a new ship port into your coastal land (mRNA), then deliver to it with boosters ( mosquitos, vaccine, whatever)
I agree with SD not to be argumentative with those who have chosen poorly because their decision is irreversible.
Many of us passionately tried to dissuade friends and family from getting the jabs but they made their choices.
I will, however, NEVER feel any personal guilt if those I tried to dissuade perish from their choices. We don’t want our loved ones and neighbors to die from these toxic jabs but we are not God.
I subscribe to the belief we should remain patient because the truth INEVITABLY MUST come out. Millions being poisoned will result in huge numbers of deaths.
We cannot carry the weight of fatal choices others make. We will all depart this mortal coil, some sooner than others.
Perhaps the survivors will face the world with more wisdom to reject snake oil salesmen.
We can say good-bye and that’s about it.
“Many of us passionately tried to dissuade friends and family from getting the jabs but they made their choices.”
They were arrogant, condescending, insulting don’t want to hear about it.
This is a worldwide ‘one-world order’ scheme of forcible eugenics…after the world population has been injected, the folks at the top of the food-chain will be in position to solely determine who of us receives the proscribed antidote to this manmade foreign strain of mutant in everybody’s bloodstream. Those of us who refuse their governmental direction, stand in the way of their complete global domination! FREE PEOPLE ARISE!
Great analysis Sundance. I’m a UK doc and have come to a similar conclusion.
What I would say is that in my practice, 2000 patients have been fully vaccinated and another 1000 partially vaccinated. The Delta variant epidemic peaked here recently. The overwhelming majority of positive test cases were younger people and there were virtually no hospital admissions. This is in stark contrast to the January 2021 peak and the April 2020 peak. My hypothesis is that the UK was extremely fortunate that the vulnerable were fully vaccinated and protected during the Delta epidemic.
However, the Israel experience indicates a much mores serious problem once the (short-lived) immunity conferred by the vaccines wear off.I’m certain the UK will face something similar in the Autumn/ Winter.
That loss of immunity is compounded by the loss of naturally-acquired broad-based immunity for people taking the vaccines. This is probably worth the risk for patients vulnerable to hospital admission/ death; but certainly not for the healthy and young.
Most serious of all, using a ‘leaky’ vaccine that does not stop transmission in a mass vaccination campaign in the middle of a pandemic is disastrous on a global scale – we will see variants (like P2, lambda) kill many people that would never have emerged were it not for this crazy mass-vaccination programme.
All that aside, we still don’t understand the long-term effects of the vaccine at an individual level. I have around 20 patients left in a disabled or chronically ill state following the vaccine (neurological, fatigue, psychological, cognitive) and a spike in patients presenting with inflammatory joint pain. We still don’t know what the impact on human fertility will be either.
“Most serious of all, using a ‘leaky’ vaccine that does not stop transmission in a mass vaccination campaign in the middle of a pandemic is disastrous on a global scale – we will see variants (like P2, lambda) kill many people that would never have emerged were it not for this crazy mass-vaccination programme.”
Does it seem possible that people who are highly educated in this field, such as the pharma and healthcare experts and health care authorities, would not have been aware of this before they started the shots blitzkrieg in Dec 2020?
It’s intentional, it’s murder
So if the damage is accumulative from each shot (ie more spikes more problems), (2000 x 2 + 1000 x 1) = 5000 shots with 20 problems or a 1 in 250 chance of near term problem from the each shot. I also fear that given whatever your baseline health was before the shot it is now lower and could result in premature death on the order of years to even decades. For example 12 years olds that may now have hearts that are more typical of someone at 60 years old.
All for something that had risk of 0.01% for average population, less for the young and healthy; when those that had the virus but no symptoms are included. Thus even a shot that was 100% effective and safe could at best remove that last 0.01% of deaths, and 0.001% for the otherwise young and healthy.
It sure looks like the cure is worse than the diseases.
This subject and Sundance’s comments are the exact reasons I will not be jabbed for COVID. I am not an anti-vaxxer unless the vaccine is not fully tested using proven, sound scientific methods. Which is what these experimental gene therapies are.
I trust nothing about politics, government, the healthcare industry, media, etc. anymore.
So, you are pro-vaccine and anti-experimental gene therapies. Makes sense to me.
I’ll keep saying it.
No Liability = No Jab
The Walensky interview with Blitzer that SD just did a post on would give him plenty of cover to do that now. I remember the presser where he brought up HCQ. He could point to that and say Fauci et. al. should have listened about therapeutics. He should definitely make a statement.
I don’t see it happening regarding the Jabs. I hope I am proved wrong.
https://twitter.com/EmeraldRobinson/status/1424076950025408515
Yup, this is actually quite true. Had a conversation with a lefty and they said “what’s VAERS?” But, of course, being a lefty, they think they know everything.
I need only one data point. My rabid leftist SIL and government are demanding I do something I don’t want to do. That always goes bad.
Beautifully written.
mRNA was developed for cancer treatments… it seems to work really well there. In essence it ‘tags’ cancer cells as targets for your body to go out and destroy. It is a self-killing mechanism.
Think about it, if you got cancer, with a terminal prognosis, you are not thinking about the ill effects 15 years down the line, you’re just thinking about making it to your next wedding anniversary. You will deal with the second nose coming out of your forehead if that ever comes.
But, to shoot mRNA for this, into hundreds of millions of people across the World is beyond insane, it’s beyond criminal. It makes Adolf Hitler and his cohorts as mere chumps.
As you correctly point out, it’s Political Science. ( which, IMHO, is not science… talk about your typical Leftist misuse of words ).
I’m still mulling this. I might take the J&J vaccine, which my wife took with no side effects.
But in the meantime I’m happy working from home with my big curved monitor and my 5 minute commute from bedroom, bathroom, coffee machine and office room.
I’ll wait to see if people develop second noses in the near future, and I am concerned about my son, who took it. In his field he was required to take it and they didn’t accept the J&J ( bio-chem gene research ).
<I’ll wait to see if people develop second noses in the near future…>
Tony’s giving the vax the ultimate smell test 🙂
See, Tony, J&J is an actual vaccine. That is why it isn’t allowed for your son. And hopefully, why it will work long-term for your wife.
I live across the road from a medical doc (don’t know her specialty, if any). She asked me a few weeks back if I’d taken or plan to take the “vaccine”. I told her it is NOT a vaccine in the normal sense, but a possibly dangerous experimental drug, and said that the most highly respected medical people can’t tell you the long term effects of the thing. And once done, it can’t be undone.
She agreed that it wasn’t really a vaccine, but an “m” something…I think she used the term mentioned above, an “mRNA”. She didn’t say I was nuts or unreasonable. I did say if they ever come out with an authentic vaccine, I’d consider it.
But when .gov starts herding the cattle into a large pen and insisting we all get our shots, my railroad days come screaming back: red signals; red fusees; brakemen washing me out with big stop signals as they run for cover…hollering on the radio, “stop; Stop, STOP!”
Something is very out-of-wack with this business. I ain’t buying it.
As far as social pressure goes, I’m at ground zero. I put it off as long as I could, while my friends were scrambling around, desperate to get the shots early this year.
The more I investigated, the more convinced I was that it was dangerous. A friend from out of state, who will not get the jab, suggested that I put a post it note on a liquor bottle with “J&J” on it and take a shot glassful.
I know it’s corny, but now I proudly tell all the nosy lefties in my area that “I took the J&J shot” without it being a total lie.
Of course it is a misrepresentation, but I can now carry on social conversations without the dreaded shot subject.
What do you say to someone who asks for your opinion as to whether or not they should get the shot, and the question is being asked while other people who did get the shot are present?
I’ve had to reverse course from my previous opinion and say that knowing what I know now, I would not have taken the vaccine. Even though I am in a high risk risk category if I get a COVID infection, I’d have continued to keep myself healthy while taking every reasonable precaution to avoid being infected.
In my case, the decision to not be vaccinated would have been a lot easier to make if the local medical community where I live had offered the anti-virals such as invermectin as a treatment when infection strikes, a course of action which they are currently adamantly opposed to.
Bravo Sundance. Everything you wrote is so right on and well done.
1. Starting with the end: loving our neighbors and them having to live (hopefully) with their decision to take the anti-coxxd treatment.
2. Your concerns, which are very clear and concise.
3. The expert’s video.
As someone pointed out on a thread at another news site: “This aggressive vaccine push is creepy as hell.”
I decided not to take it based on the very untested mRNA component. That alone should scare the hell out of anyone.
It’s called Diabolical Narcissism
https://www.barnhardt.biz/2021/08/01/why-the-deathjabbed-will-insist-to-their-dying-breath-that-you-must-play-the-clottery-too-anger-hatred-jealously-fear-synthesized-in-one-word-spite/
I support the right to try. When faced with a possibility of contracting Covid and dying, I do think that those who may want to accept the possible risk of a “vaccine”, which seems more like a therapeutic, should consider it as a viable option and not feel bad about it even if they are skeptical of the reasons why many are pushing it. Others prefer natural immunity which is fine as well… if you recover.
Makes sense.
Smart fair view point
“Others prefer natural immunity which is fine as well… if you recover.”
… which 99.98% do.
The spike is the toxin.
Do I see that whatever was released in Jan 2020 was done just to get the world to this place – to take a poison that would actually create so much damage?
Great Evil. God help us.
How much did Pence know?
COVID has been around longer than the official dates…Wuhan researchers were hospitalized with symptoms in EARLY Sep 2019…I was in CA until mid-2020 and they had an illness we called the “crud” making the rounds in that state in Nov 2019 with the same symptoms…remember the first wave many were wondering at CA’s low rates of contracting it…it was because they had already been exposed and recovered 5-6 months before
Our military has repeatedly lied to the enlisted about the effectiveness and safety of the garbage while reporting on the adverse reactions.
Many in the military have and will continue to regret allowing it and will be abandoning like rats
Military wanted me to take pills in 1st gulf war. I and others chucked them in the sand.
We might see the military faced with the problem of Pulmonary Artery Hypertension in the troops. The problem is what the mRNA vaccine is doing when creating spike proteins. Doctors are now finding that this leads to clogging blood capillaries, and microscopic blood clots. The condition is called Pulmonary Artery Hypertension. Those capillaries that bring blood to the lungs become clogged, and the person loses oxygenation, and becomes short of breath.
Can you imagine what shortness of breath would do to a combat infantry unit?
And, SecDef Lloyd Austin has mandated the COVID vaccine for all active US military . . .
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For those who have taken the vaccine, it’s a comfort and helps quell buyer’s remorse that so many others also have done the same.
It means that they weren’t misguided in making the choice, they aren’t some kind of foolish, and it’s also a way of feeling like how bad could it be (ignore isolated rare anecdotal cases) if a hundred million others also got it.
What I don’t get is the continued pressure on the un-vaxxed. BUT I have taken notice that I’m not getting this pressure from family and friends lately. It’s now all bureaucrats.
Rather, when the subject is brought up now, it appears to be more along the lines of fishing for reassurance in support of their having been vaxxed. I wish I could give it. Any platitudes I might offer immediately get overwhelmed by my angst that the government is about to harm my children in the military — deliberately. So I shut up, because I cannot get away from the conviction that every single fearful or gullible person who just lined up to get the clotshot was complicit in facilitating this. Sorry.
Red flag for me was how therapeutics of any sort were stifled, and ridiculed by the ‘experts’ and media. For me, the vaccines made sense if you were high risk, i.e. over age 60/65 and /or with comorbid’s. The vaccines never made sense to me for young people who are healthy and strong and who could boost their natural immune system with Zinc, and Vitamin D. I believe that India crushed the Delta variant primarily with Ivermectin, not the mRNA vaccines.
Look at who just happened to profit from Covid – The Democrats used the pandemic to push voter fraud and win the WH and Senate, and Big Pharma is rolling in profits from the ‘jab’, Medical suppliers made a fortune on PPE, Big Box retailers like Walmart were never closed in the lockdown, only their smaller competitors, Amazon sales soared 40%, Blue States got a horrendous bailout of +$350B for ‘pandemic relief’, and the list goes on. For a number of large special interests, the Covid pandemic has been a bonanza.
The non-vaccine treatments were only proved for emergency use because there were no alternatives. That’s why the alternatives had to be suppressed.
Way back in the late 90’s, Tom Clancy wrote a novel called “Rainbow Six” about a special anti-terrorist military unit going up against a conspiracy to kill off most of the world’s human population with a virus. The people behind the conspiracy were driven by the same eco nazi impulses that today’s leftwing billionaires openly espouse in terms of “culling” the human population down to around 500 million (90% kill off).
The COVID story seems to go back years before the so called pandemic first appeared. The nature of the fake vaccine based on how it works must have been considered given all that time. I shy away from conspiracies but seeing this video with all the various ways the vaxx can lead to long term health disasters and damaged fertility makes me wonder.
Reminds me of the sci fi tv series Stargate SG-1 episode and the Aschen vaccine.
Aschen Vaccine
https://www.gateworld.net/wiki/Aschen_vaccine
“A powerful anti-aging drug available to Earth citizens in an alternate future timeline, as well as a cure for a pandemic on the Aschen world of Volia several years before. In both cases, the vaccine intentionally causes an enormous amount of the population to become sterile in order to rapidly decrease the birthrate on a world within the Aschen Confederation. Almost a decade after the introduction of the drug about 91% of the population is unable to procreate.”
“The Aschen patiently wait perhaps twenty years for the vaccine to sweep into the genome of the entire race. Eventually there are so few individuals left that the advanced culture can effectively conquer the world, terraforming the planet so it is suitable for farming. In the process they often raise the remaining population themselves, brainwashing them into forgetting the past and providing maintenance to the farm land.”
True, it’s fiction but one wonders if world leaders with ill intent wanted to reduce the world’s population stating that we have an overpopulation crisis which threatens the human race… what extent would they go to push their agenda.
It seems the plandemic architects read Rainbow Six.
The dates on the Rumble vid and the KTVB7 article and embedded vids are confusing.
The KTVB7 is dated 7 Apr 2021.
The Rumble vid is dated 3 Aug 2021, but one is left with the impression that the Rumble vid is from Dr Cole’s presentation to the Idaho Lt Gov group Mar 2021.
Would be curious to know Dr Cole’s current opinion. Has Dr Cole’s opinion changed? If so, why? If not, why not?
Thanks for the info and advice on handling those with differing opinions.
Being a self-professed psychopath (when convenient) I’ve no emotions, so their emotional appeal never works on me anyway.
As a psychologist, empathetic listening is an understatement. Many of my family members, friends and professional associates have taken the shot and are now dealing with the medical consequences. It is very troubling and disheartening, but take comfort in knowing God has a plan and is in control. I’ve read the end of the Book and God and his family wins.
I am fully vaccinated as of Feb 13th of 2021. I made the choice to take the jab as I am 81 years old with COPD and felt back then that if I got Covid I would be on a ventalator is a very short time. It is now disconcerting to learn that the Pfizer efficacy starts to wane after 6 months, which is where I am time wise. Israel starting giving the Pfizer booster last Sunday. I plan on biding my time on any booster and just watching the news out of Israel. I am particularly concerned about a ADE to a booster.
This is why the ventilator movie was played minutely into our TVs….
biden’s admin has already displayed and said outloud they use leverage, incentives, and cohesion to get what they want.
With national security you are like a vaccine manufacture, immune from liability of any action
What a dreadful position to be in. It sounds like you made a very prudent choice. A friend of mine got vaccinated and their doctor recently told her they thought she’d be good for a year. No need to get a booster after 6 months. Who knows what’s true anymore, which makes a difficult situation that much harder. Wishing you well…
Thank you. I will, as usual, visit this site daily, perhaps there will be more “booster” info here in the future. Meanwhile I will continue to look for Covid info coming from the UK, Iceland, India, etc. as well as Israel.
See Lew Rockwell for bBill Sardi and Dr. Mercola’s columns
See Bill Sardi’s columns on Lew Rockwell’s web page. A good multivitamin along with Vitam I n C multiple times a day will go a long way to keeping you healthy.