Arizona GOP Chairwoman Kelli Ward provided an update this morning about the Maricopa County audit.
The Maricopa board of supervisors previously denied the auditors access to the full electronic trail of ballot counting. The board held a closed-door emergency hearing and then stated allowing the auditors to review the rounter system, and/or providing passwords for the router network, would compromise sensitive law enforcement data. Kelli Ward debunks that claim by outlining that none of the electronic networks used in elections are connected to any other governmental agency or office.
There are no other networks or servers connected to the voting system. The boards justification is a fraud. The auditors are demanding a review of the electronic router system used in the ballot tabulation process. The auditors and State Senate are likely to battle Maricopa county in court. This is an interesting update…. STAY WITH IT:
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Curiouser and curiouser.
Every inch of this will be fought for the purposes of prolonging the reckoning as much as dissuading others for the effort to see it through.
Persistence is key.
For the sake of discussion, let’s assume that the final result of the audit would reveal not just fraud and questionable election practices, but outright, undeniable fraud on such a scale and magnitude that it undeniably flipped AZ from Trump to Biden.
Now, if we make such an assumption–and it’s a legitimate one–who among fellow Treepers thinks the Ruling Class will allow that result to come to fruition? Understand that any legitimate, verifiable, documented and validated evidence that voter fraud may have resulted in Biden (fraudulently) winning the 2020 presidential race would throw the whole Ruling Class narrative out the window, not to mention giving Trump some well deserved, “I told you so” bragging rights.
Show of hands who thinks this will happen…..?
Never
if the ruling class believes removing Biden will preserve their American Toybox then they will remove him.
It will happen if The Almighty is willing. This is a task beyond the capabilities of human effort . . .
See Daniel 4:34, 35. ?
You are correct. However we must do our part!
So pray but also use some shoe leather to produce a proper result!
✝️
“Ora et Labora” as Luther cribbed from the Benedictines.
And at the end of the days I Nebuchadnezzar lifted up mine eyes unto heaven, and mine understanding returned unto me, and I blessed the most High, and I praised and honoured him that liveth for ever, whose dominion is an everlasting dominion, and his kingdom is from generation to generation:
And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?
KJV
Amen end exactly my sentiments. When the commentator on the end of the livestream video said this is a David and Goliath battle, it seems far, FAR bigger than that. Only if God wills it will we see the truth prevail.
But when we look at Revelations, it appears that our nation is not included.
If someone can provide me hope from The Word, I would greatly appreciate it!
Do they realize how many Baby Boomers they are battling with?
MDiv, 15 years pastor here for what it’s worth.
Way back in the 70s with Hal Lindsey and “Late Great Planet Earth” I too kept trying to slot the USA into to the Last Days scenarios, till my disciple-er (who went on to Columbia Bible College MDiv—Dallas Theological PhD—University of Basil [THE Basil Switzerland, REFORMATION Basil—taught himself Medieval Latin, French, German to read the documents in the original, modern German to understand the Lectures—2nd Doctorate]) pointed out to me how “layered” the text was and the multiple layers nearly always inherent in the fulfillment of Scriptural Prophecy. As he pointed out as we slotted Antiochus Epiphanies into “the abomination of desolation” “there is more than Antiochus here.”
We can’t know how we look from this side but as CS Lewis opines, on the other side we will be all “but of course it had to be that way.” Our Race is not yet run, our Duties, including our Duties as a Nation of Sovereign Individuals in a God Ordained Republic remain.
Despair is not an option nor resignation.
“And when the strife is fierce, the warfare long,
Steals on the ear the distant triumph song,
And hearts are brave again, and arms are strong Alleluia Alleluia” (For All the Saints-if you don’t know it, I recommend it).
Chin up step into the next pitch, Fight On.
Thank you, needed to read this today.
https://www.oneplace.com/ministries/understanding-the-times/custom-player/
You are correct…the Bear and Dragon are included (Russia and China) but not the Eagle….speculation is we do not participate or have been so diminished by the time of the Apocalyptic battles that we cannot…I believe it is the latter since God says all the nations of the world are represented there…I grieve for the apparent triumph of evil but satisfy myself knowing God has this….I used to carry a lot more angst but since 3 Nov 2020 I leave a lot more of that to God’s infinite care
Revelation talks about the fall of the Roman Empire. 666 refers to Nero Caesar.
https://www.oneplace.com/ministries/understanding-the-times/custom-player/
He IS The Truth!
Leet was my granddaddy’s nickname (Leroy E) chased Pancho Villa with Black Jack, died of TB when my mom was still a teen.
Oh Please… what absolute nonsense. YOU can give up and roll over. Not me.
Full agreement with you. This is on us humans.
“A task beyond” has never stopped Americans before, and the Almighty has appeared to honor our attitude and efforts.
We and The Almighty ain’t done yet.
This nation is providential in nature and would not exist without God’s hand in its creation and continuation….an objective look at history easily reveals this is the case
Once the Bad Guys started fighting the AZ audit it was over for them. Anyone knows any protesting the audit is an admission of guilt in the minds of the ordinary.
Whether the audit is justified or not justified is not the issue. The fact the audit was and is protested is the issue.
Unfortunately, the Powers That Be could care less what the minds of the ordinary think. They will never allow any change in the Narrative that is playing.
Mad Men “when you don’t like what people are saying about you-change the conversation.”
OUR narrative is OURS! Say it out loud say it out proud.
They are irrelevant.
YES a thousand times, YES!
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Their pride would not allow them to “lose”.
More likely they would prefer ruling over a pile of ashes then to serve anyone other then themselves.
Better to reign in Hell than serve in heaven. Lucifer in Milton’s Paradise Lost.
They told us this audit from the beginning was not about overturning the election. This audit was always and only about making sure this farce could never happen again. There is a slim chance of that happening before 2024, but I applaud those trying to get it done and I hope I’m wrong.
Unless citizens are prepared to literally storm the buildings and seize the evidence for open review and release, you are definitely right.
The ruling class is us, except when we are too lazy and cowardly to be it. Please do not talk people out of hope and effort. Victory is, actually, in our hands. It is a bunch of smart and determined people on the other side, who can be countered by smart and determined people on our side. Unless you talk them out of making the effort. We are winning, and we can win, unless we walk off making smart remarks about how we defeated before we made any effort. How hopeless it all is. Me I am smarter than them. Not sure about you.
Rock on, Einstein!!
Talk softer, Tokyo Rose.
“If you have an important point to make, don’t try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time–with a tremendous whack.” ~ Winston Churchill
You SURE you’re a former Dem? My spidey sense tells me the umbilical cord is still attached.
Since being stared down with threats of jail time in an Az jail, the DOJ has yet to make a move toward intervening in the audit (as stated May 6). It doesn’t mean they won’t, but certainly there are those in the Az State Senate that know and honor the 10th Amendment. They need support, they need to know the people have their backs.
If I am reading statutes properly, the Secretary of each state is ultimately responsible for local, state and federal elections. That would place legal action under the purview of State police, not federal agents. That battle will be waged on the battle field of States’ rights. You seem to think / imply Az needs to rely on the feds to address the alleged fraud. First, that I believe is a false premise, and secondly a gross miscalculation on where the power lies. So my question to you is, once revealed (voting fraud / irregularities) do you think the feds want to wage war against a state that revealed it?
First, the CURRENT Secretary of State for Arizona is a Democrat. That pretty much answers your questions.
But as to jurisdictional issues, no, I do not infer or insinuate that the Feds have any jurisdiction or legal right to meddle in Arizona state election law–with the sole exception that a state official (e.g. Pennsylvania) overrides the state constitution and changes election laws and procedures in violation of the state constitution. In THAT instance, then a federal court would have some say in the matter. Otherwise, no, I don’t believe the feds have any jurisdiction–but they are going to manufacture it all the same.
But here’s my point: given the extreme lengths to which the Ruling Class (government, Big Tech, the Enemedia, corporations, etc) have gone to cover up the fraudulent election and to silence ANYONE who questions or criticizes it, why do you think they would not expend equal amounts of time and energy snuffing out the AZ audit?
If things go as we hope, the audit has the potential to blow the lid off the faux narrative that there was no voter fraud involved in the fake election of Joe Xiden.
Do you REALLY think the Regime will allow that genie to get out of the bottle?
Hmmmm……. 2 points:
1) I suspect the Dems are trying to drag this out till Audit Fatigue sets in and whatever the conclusion is will seem anticlimactic.
2) But the harder WE fight, the harder THEY must work on defense, the more complex their web becomes, & the greater the likelihood for a catastrophic failure in it.
m-c certainly not willingly. My guess is right now that the fed calculus is what are the odds of successfully intervening/interfering in the AZ audit and how bad do we look doing it vs the public release of election official malfeasance, corruption, vote fraud, etc. etc.
Any result unfavorable to the ruling class will never see the light of day. Smirking behind their masks, Bite-me and Roberts will announce a commission headed by….William Barr.
You are probably right but it will open the door for more audits and way more attention on fraud.
It will set the tone for way more awareness in 2022. Possibly more voter integrity laws.
We should push to ban all mail in ballots and reduce absentee votes and maybevreduce early voting.
It’s a huge opportunity to increase power at state level.
The Truth always comes out….Let’s pray it’s sooner rather than later.
As they strive to keep it hidden those things they wish not revealed are brought to light…look at all the revelations in PDJT’s first four years as they struggled against him
>Ruling Class will allow that result to come to fruition?
Coverup time has passed. If they had the juice this wouldn’t be happening
https://home.frankspeech.com/video/hear-first-attorney-have-court-order-audit-dominion-machines-nation
Already has happened. Scores of millions don’t believe it was clean. What the Chi-Quislings do or don’t do matters naught.
Millions of Pissed Off Americans are not genetically able to simply shrug shoulders and sigh “nothing to be done.”
Pissed offness will out.
Undeniable FACT is that the way the Aristocrap Commissars chose to warp the rules means the Balloting and Counting are UNVERIFIABLE! Hence the ELECTION RESULT is UNverifiable.
FACT we CANNOT and Never Will KNOW who actually won. We only know who the ARISTOCRAPS DECLARED as the winner. I got as much faith in that as a Iranian election. Scores of Millions agree with me.
What goes around comes around, as we said in the 70s.
I do not trust the numbers in even supposedly conservative polls but even rigged as they are a MAJORITY of the voting public believe there were LARGE amounts of fraud in the 2020 election…this total includes 43% of Dimms even
For the benefit of those who question my motives or intent, let me say this: I think every legitimate, legal and political avenue should be pursued to the absolute end–or to final resolution. We should not quit, give in, give up or retreat.
That said, the cynic in me says all those efforts will be for naught.
Does that mean I think we should toss our hands up and give up? Of course not! My ONLY point is that our salvation–if there is to be such–will NOT come from politics as usual.
I cannot elaborate further as both the moderators of this page and other nefarious censors lurking about would definitely NOT approve. We are now in a post-Constitutional period of relative lawlessness. While this is beginning to dawn on some of us (and for a few of us, yeah, we saw this coming a while back), we ALL have to adjust.
Let me end with this:
“You can ignore reality, but you cannot ignore the consequences of ignoring reality.” ~ Ayn Rand
Dear friends, our reality is staring us in the face–grim and unpleasant as that is.
As I have noted before, I’ve been a pro-lifer for decades, and was part of Operation Rescue, and have been arrested fourteen times and prayed outside clinics for literally years. We were saving lives through peaceful protest and other means. It was not fear that killed it off.
It was jackasses who went and undertook violence. That was the end of it.
I guess you are still in the phase of thinking secret conspiracy violence will be exciting. Here is to nobody listening to you because I saw how those adventurers affected the cause before. …. The end of it.
The violent ones used the rest of as a backdrop for their exciting adventure. People who needed to be persuaded were repulsed by the murders the movement ended. Finito. Babies go on being sliced and smashed…. that ws the outcome of people like you promoting their adventure, their exciting secrets, their bold willingness to go further, their special codewords whispers and passwords and swagger. They destroyed everything. They ended the movement. Guilty Guilty Guilty. Violence will not help. Patience to go onward while we are insulted.
The Marines have a wonderful saying…..”Improvise, Adapt and Overcome“.
Situations change–and so should strategies and tactics. But hey, keep clinging to your warm and fuzzy moralisms.
As I wrote on another site yesterday, if you or ANYONE thinks we can shame or use the moral high-ground against the Ruling Class, then they are seriously deluded.
THEY HAVE NO SHAME, AS THEY HAVE NO CONSCIENCE, AS THEY HAVE NO SOUL!!
Get it! We’re fighting demonic evil.
Evil personified …as Jesus says “My sheep know my voice and hear me” I believe the leaders of the Uniparty are Satan’s own and they can ONLY hear him….remember Satan is the imposter so all that is good is not his
In a war, the other side-us-have a say in the matter. And as any warrior knows, but not leftists, no battle plan remains intact after the other side shows up. I would say the odds are damn high that all of the fraud will be exposed before the end of the year.
If there are no fair elections, then the government has no legitimacy. All that is left is tyranny.
Correct!
as we have all seen in the last 4+years the power of public opinion can be decisive. NO ONE knows the outcome or effects of a broad, public consensus of massive election fraud and the illegitimacy of the Biden “presidency”
Proving flaws or outright fraud is possible is important. Take a look at changes in Washington State’s election handling after 2004. While fraud by one of the parties was not proven. It was proven that the number of fraudulent votes counted exceed the difference between the winner and loser.
I’ve never seen the democrats fight so hard not to say “I told you so”.
There is still the minor point, that the County allowing UNCONTROLLED access to those controlling voting systems already compromised the security of everything and anything connected to those routers.
So, now there is also a potential crime to investigate as well as voter issues. All the more reason to release access to those routers to the Senate as well as the AZ State Criminals Investigation Division.
It certainly would be one thing if there were policy compliant with the law that allowed search outsourcing, and were that policy and procedure disclosed and affirmed from the get-go. All the voting system organizations could certainly have led with transparency on their end and say “we did this and this, but not that and that”, rather than just evidently default to lawsuits against many of those seeking transparency.
I agree. The fact that 2 guys from Dominion could have completely defrauded Maricopa county and hence AZ.. is not a good look.
Do you mean the “controlling voting systems” already under the monitoring and administration of DOMINION and other PRIVATE companies by contract?….those same companies that send the “unofficial results” to international servers OUTSIDE the US so they can even further manipulate the “official results”…those “controlling voting systems?”
we don’t know what conditions existed when the routers were purportedly accessed – were they connected to the network? In single user mode?
A big lie, just like the water-main leak excuse was used to hustle out all of the republican observers (and others not in the know) from the Fulton County (GA) ballot counting location (State Farm Arena) on the night of November 3-4, 2020.
The level of corruption in this election surpasses even the unimaginable! Why did January 6th happen? Because the Democrats conjured it up in order to make what they believed would be a perfect smoke screen. They really aren’t that smart.
(Think back to the pictures shown on the MSM of the “insurrectionists” “invading” the Capitol. I guess the Capitol Police are the real insurrectionists as there are multiple videos of them not only directing people to come in, but giving them directions for which areas to “visit”. How long did Nancy, Chuck and Mitch work on that plan?
Right. Yet, so many millions of Americans, many of whom have watched videos of Jan 6 do not ask questions, do not analyze what they are seeing.
The obvious question is WHY was there effectively no security at the Capital on Jan 6? WHY did no law enforcement show up and do anything when they saw people … start to climb the scaffolding?
What good is having the Capital police, the DC Police, the National Guard IF they are incapable of merely stopping an unarmed mob… that could have been stopped easily and quickly. Capital police DID usher protesters into the Capital. WHY did they do that? Nobody asks.
ASHLI BABBITT- SAY HER NAME.
No-one in the MSM does. Lots of smart people know that it was a set-up. Trump and his supporters were set up. Ashli Babbit was killed so they could call the protest a deadly insurrection and that PDJT incited it.
Protesters? I’d say antifa infiltrators.
President Trump requested more security for 6 January but Mitch and his partner in crime Pelosi rejected it.
Observers with previous visits to the Capitol said they had never seen security as light as it was that day before and access points were wide open…in fact, there are videos of earlier in the day Capitol Hill police moving the barricades to open the entry points
What a pathetic group of nobody’s they are. JUST PATHETIC.
Well, perhaps… or they might not want to release the keys or equipment because the ARE connected to state systems that they shouldn’t be which would take quite a sinister turn since it is looking like Dominion have an intimate look in to that network
Bingo! And all the wrong people are connected
One of the elections systems servers went down for an update. It happened from over the internet as I understand it. That broke two obvious rules: 1) a software change decertifies the machines updated and 2) they aren’t supposed to be on the internet.
as we learned yesterday (a la Ms. Ward) none of the voting machines had current certifications.
In which case, the plot will continue to sicken.
What they are truly afraid of is the routers will tell all internet traffic including internet addresses (locations) and MAC addresses (identifies specific electronic device) and BLOWS their “not connected to the internet” narrative apart
Plus it may reveal the foreign country activity.
I agree with you yet, here is where somebody utterly ruthless would say,
“OK we take you at your word.”
“You admitted (confessed) to allowing an outside agency uncontrolled access to all the classified, personal data and law enforcement data connected to these routers…which is a crime.”
Now the tricky part is that the Arizona CID works for the Arizona AG, it may be a chore to pry the Routers out of their hands as the routers become evidence in criminal investigation. Now this may also be another desperate angle they try, force the State AG to assume control of the voting equipment.
It is a Password they need that the people (or entity )who have it will not relinquish. My understanding is that some (or one) Maricopa official is head of a group trying to destroy the audit.
Maybe holding his head, or perhaps one of his loved ones, submerged in a tank of pironas would change his perspective? Literally, “Flesh In The Game”. No concerns about fine print
They need to bring in the hackers to get into the machines then.
First they need to get hold of the physical routers or a backup that could be restored to another router. That’s the current fight – Maricopa won’t hand over either.
And this is why Gov. Ducey needs to call out the Az National Guard to set up a 1000-foot security perimeter around the audit location. That would prevent the Feds from sending in one of their FBI teams to stop the audit. Prez * would then have to send in the regular Army units and that would be very bad optics for the administration.
in fact, it would be interesting but unnecessary to have the routers connected to the “voting system”. An examination of the router by a qualified engineered will reveal a lot of information.
Let’s not rush to judgement, guys: Are they trying to tell us that one of the three-letter agencies or their contractor has been involved in what appeares to be a manipulation of the result? Are these guys hedging their bets?
Can it be that the auditors are over the target?
Remember, never attribute to malice that which can be reasonably explained by stupidity…
Answer is ABSOLUTELY YES, to all three questions.
That was easy.
If SS numbers, sources and methods, and the nuclear launch codes were deliberately interfaced with the router system. The Maricopa board has indeed learned a thing or two from the FBI.
routers are essentially an electronic address book…they do not want the public to know to who and where the plot was perpetrated under
BINGO!
Yes to the questions however regards the, ” Remember, never attribute to malice that which can be reasonably explained by stupidity… ” , that would be a very firm no from me, it is precisely that mode of thinking which lets all the criminals abscond any responsibility for their crimes, it is corruption and malice and forethought, stupidity is the least likely answer where money and power are concerned, but it is the accepted camouflage in the modern mire of deceit we live in.
Not having a dig just elucidating 🙂
What I found particularly disingenuous was the piling on by the Sheriff on the claim that this would constitute a huge security breach while the BOS simultaneously claims they relinquished control of the passwords and access to Dominion.
The BOS /Pontious Pilate… washing their hands of responsibility… for election integrity .
I hope the AZ Senate continues to hold these BOS POS filthy shuffling tap dancing feet to the fire!
This was already litigated! The court sustained the Senate’s right to audit and authority to subpoena. No more courts. Go arrest these treasonous obstructionists for contempt until they forfeit the routers and passwords. Period.
YeahYouRight again!
I am with you. Quit tapdancing.
Of course ya gotta find a LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY that will do their damn job for the “R” side.
Remind me again why WE support the police?
Because there are great patriotic officers who do follow the constitution….
Really, where have they been?
Just head South of Maricopa to Pinal County…..Look up Sheriff Lamb….He’d take care of the deal
And if they will not arrest, the citizens should.
They keep talking about arresting them and yet nothing happens. They should have been in jail a month ago at least.
They should have already done this. I’d make sure that they were incarcerated with the proper inmate
Just hire a good IT guy to hack into it.
First they need to get hold of the physical routers or a backup that could be restored to another router. That’s the current fight – Maricopa won’t hand over either.
Are there no penalties?
I though if anyone refuses a judge’s order they would likely end up in jail. What’s holding here?
Who needs to do what so these people end behind bars?
What’s the purpose of court fights if they ignore the orders and there are no repercussions?
Maybe they think applying the Hillary not accountable law will work for them.
Regardless of how catastrophic and pervasive the cheating is shown to be, this whole thing is going to be downplayed to the point of “Oh well, its too late now” and we don’t want to put the country thru the chaos and anquish of removing a president (or senator). What’s done is done. And no one will be identified and go to jail. And the RINOS will roll over and say….”trust us, we’ll prevent it from happening next time”. The whole thing is sickening. More than anything, I hope and pray that I’m wrong.
Not true where the voters are concerned.
Election integrity is THE issue. It is the hill to die on, and at some point the GOP will realize it or they will be replaced by their voters.
Personally, I don’t think the urgency is there. From my observations and little we know, there will be PLENTY of evidence to demonstrate at minimum negligence if not corruption with the current state of the audit. It will become painfully clear when revealed that in order to FULLY expose the big lie they need access to the server. The servers will lead to foreign intervention ie adjudication via internet etc. Point being, arrest warrants can wait until after initial report at which time not providing servers. passwords etc becomes obstruction. I don’t know statutory law but I see this moving from obstruction of the audit to obstruction of justice very rapidly at which time State Troopers, not feds are dispatched with warrants in hand….
“Nothing to see here, move along people”.
The likes of Bill Barr and the NeverTrump army.
Why are these supervisors arrested and thrown in jail? Why are constituents not all up in their “grills” 24/7?
If you read the comments on the YT link, you will see why.
Exactly. The citizens whose votes were stolen and still standing around saying “I hope SOMEONE does SOMETHING about this.”
Head down there, by the tens of thousands, seize the evidence, conduct citizen arrests, and take care of it today.
That’s how it needs to be done. This would serve notice across the country
I used to think that was an option – not so sure anymore. Would the police and military side with the people or their corrupt leadership? I don’t know.
Perfect reason to return to mechanical voting machines with analog counters and paper ballots.
An electronic system could be made that is far superior to a mechanical one. Their is a way to do it, but the will to do it has been lacking in some circles.
an electronic tabulator or management system will ALWAYS be subject to tampering
And so is/will be paper ballots and counting by them by hand. The methods of cheating without proper oversight are endless-extra blank ballots to be filled in by anyone, dead people voting, incorrect voter registrations, vacant lot addresses, who counts the votes, people voting twice, people voting for other people, unmatched mail in ballots, photo ID…………
Regardless of whether electronic or by hand, the process must have confirmed, unbiased processes and methods of oversight at every stage. We have that to some extent in some places, but obviously in many places we do not.
Take politics out of the actual voting process. And we certainly need tough laws and tough penalties in place for deterrence of cheating.
How is it that the Powerball lottery can sell a billion tickets ,and know where everyone was sold ,then tell you who the winner was,instantaneously, down to the state,city,and the store.!$?
THIS. thanks.
DemoFascist /UniParty bigwigs know that the technical information that proves they are lying is beyond the comprehension of much of their constituency. Kelly Ward explains it fairly well but it needs to be broken down even more simply for broad public consumption.
“These routers do not store sensitive data, as that would violate the protocols and standards required for handling personal, sensitive, or proprietary information on the county’s network. Therefore the claim that they may have such data stored within the routers is false and unprovable.”
If that statement is incorrect than Ward’s argument is false, but I don’t believe it is.
Routers don’t store the contents of traffic, sensitive or otherwise. Their job is much like a post office – mail (network traffic) comes in, the destination info is read, and the envelope (data packet) gets forwarded toward it’s destination.
However, routers do contain configuration information, error logs (but not the contents of traffic), and access control lists. It would show what other networks it was part of, any traffic forwarding filters, and related topology information. This is likely what Dominion wants hidden.
TY
Good explanation Blinky. Your 1st paragraph explains Dr. Ward’s video.
Your second 2nd and what she didn’t elaborate on (IIRC) is the real reason for the forensics and why the attempts to fight access.
Yes, agree. But Kelly Ward could have either said that specifically, or possibly she is not aware of that technical capability in the Maricopa County routers. Also, not all routers are equal. Some have more sophisticated admin / management software / firmware on board for more advanced filtering and topology requirements.
A router might also be configured to permit an unauthorized entity to access the network. I have three IT security specialists in my inner circle of acquaintances. They all agree that this for dragging on access to the routers and network settings in them is a huge red flag for the auditors.
Good discussion i think i can add to it. Correct that Routers do not “store” information, servers do. However, they keep logs of the Mac addresses (devices) they are connected to, IP addresses that packets are exchanged between, the timing and volume of traffic. So the forensic investigators will be able to correlate that to the data logs in the voting machines. For example, if a large block of votes is transferred out, modified, and then transferred back into the machines, they’d be able to forensically reconstruct that transfer. Quite likely that’s what happened, voting machine data was being moved offsite for nefarious purposes.
It is completely insane and stupid to claim sensitive information is stored on routers. It is stored on SERVERS in the network. Routers only store traffic control information since that is all they are designed and programmed to do. I asked the question at Google and this is what I knew would be the answer:
“Yes, your router does store information about your computer when you connect to it. … However, it does not store information about any network traffic to or from your computer or any personal information on your computer (think about how big a hard drive the router would need to store that much data)”.
I was having trouble following until ahe said HIPPA. A person does not need to work in medical to understand it, but those who do understand it know that a HIPPA violation could be way more costly than an FEC fine.
I want Dr. Ward to replace Romney-McDaniel at RNC.
While her argument is solid, I have to take into consideration the possible ways the Maricopa county complaint could be valid.
If their infrastructure all uses the SAME set of credentials? That’d be unbelievably irresponsible but could form the basis of their argument. If they advance this as their reasoning, the judge should order a third, unbiased party review the network configurations for ALL of Maricopa County and the immediate update of all passwords on all equipment outside of the equipment under subpoena.
Generally speaking, “Most” routers don’t store access passwords in clear text. Its encrypted in the configuration files.
So their dubious claim about passwords doesn’t pass the smell test.
Couple that with potential software like AAA ‘could be used’ that authenticates individual users to a central device, I have to call into question the configuration of their network.
Except, they let Dominion control it all. The MCBE doesn’t even know the passwords or log-on information. The MCBE is trying to play both sides to cover up their illegal actions.
I watched the video and read the comments on the YT link. Very well prepared 5 minute breakdown. Pretty much unassailable logic . The board really screwed up with these claims. Leftists are so used to being able to play the “I’m scared” card, that they got sloppy. Technical types like myself don’t like being taken for fools, and that is precisely what the board tried to do…..and made themselves look like ignoramuses in the process. Because only morons would try to deflect in this easily debunked way.
The board is in a pickle. They can delay and look like crooks, or they can comply and perhaps find themselves vilified as traitors.
It was clear they were outright lying when they claimed that UV light, far less powerful than the UV in sunlight, would damage the ballots.
How many voters filled out ballots at home with sunlight coming in the window? Were any warnings ever issued to voters not to expose ballots to sunlight?
Well, many of these ballots were filled out in dimly lit basements afterall…..may be sensitive to sunlight. ?
Imagine a world where more than 5% of legitimized sources of information could get a hold of this video and would be willing to post it as actual news. Alas, that world does not exist yet and the entities that control 95% of all information flow are actively trying to prevent the other 5% from even having the limited access to information that they already must fight to possess. I see the election as having already been stolen, and I don’t see any large pathway to convincing even some of the people that what they are being told is just a bunch of lies.
The really bad result will come after the election narrative becomes the accepted story so that the Big Lie will be the only thing that will ever find its way into the history of our country. Future generations will believe what they read because they will have no clue what really happened in early November of 2020. That is, those of them who learn how to read.
The same fate awaits the accomplishments of the Trump Administration as the Biden Administration(whomever they are) continually take credit for all of the successes of their predecessors while focusing their failures as the actions of the Trump Administration. Future generations will be completely clueless about the truth unless we stick together and broadcast the truth everywhere we can and succeed in keeping the truth out in the public domain.
Propaganda is the most effective weapon of Collectivist politics. This is why we see new daily talking points in spilled forth ad nauseum by 95% of the media gangs. Americans just don’t seem to give a rip or, more likely, have not been taught to read with comprehension.
We travel on the road to serfdom, which Hayek predicted. It sure is good to find some of the truth here in the Treehouse. Thanks to all of you.
That may be, but nobody believes the propaganda espoused by the Nazis, the Soviets, the Chinese etc. Everyone knows the truth about the evil of Stalin, Hitler, Mao Tse Sung, Pol Pot, Castro, etc. All the whitewashing of their evil deeds were not successful. When you want to insult someone, you call them these names; hence, Bush, Hitler, Trump Nazi, etc.
Even Josephous, the Roman historian, was found out. He deliberately inserted disingenuous “facts” about the Romans that misled his readers. And it’s possible, like our contemporary media, he was paid well by the powers that be, to do it. And he lived 2000 years ago.
So there’s hope the leftists libtards Democrats won’t get away with it.
I think that the media influence,is extremely overated . Just look at their actual number of viewers,its less than 1% of the population.
The general population, might be uninformed, but the ones that aren’t oblivious, ain’t that stupid.
Think of it as a brainwashing experiment, and ask yourself ,how many people, really believe that ,a woman can have a penis.
They are conducting an experiment.
End rant.
Live stream. Atrium County vote fraud case hearing: Motion To Dismiss.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86tZHKtxbMA
looks like Screwtube took it down
https://www.theepochtimes.com/live-judge-to-decide-whether-to-dismiss-antrim-county-election-related-lawsuit_3809504.html
So I guess the Maricopa Board of Elections is saying that they allowed the servers to be connected to Law Enforcement? Was this so they could allow prisoners to vote or to allow prisoners access to the system? Is it just possible that the sensitive law enforcement data might be to cover their own ILLEGAL actions prior to the election as well as during the canvassing? That sounds much more likely.
Curiouser? Down right mind-boggling (at least for those with functional brains)!
Would that law enforcement agency be an Arizona office of the FBI?
Under the mostly-uniform laws of every state, in every election large or small, there is the legal right to mount an “election contest,” with associated independent audits. Original election materials must be securely retained for at least two years, expressly in support of this right.
Furthermore, “election fraud” is at least a “Class-5 Felony offense.” The sort of thing that puts you in a hotel room for a very long time – even longer if you’re a corrupt election official or Secretary of State. No wonder they’re getting scared …
The system is so corrupt from top to bottom that there will be nobody willing to prosecute them.
“Kelli Ward debunks that claim by outlining that none of the electronic networks used in elections are connected to any other governmental agency or office.There are no other networks or servers connected to the voting system”
I think this is what Dominion is trying to hide. I think those servers and networks are connected to a bunch of election thieves.
Was just poking around on G**gle Maps… the “Maricopa County Tabulation And Election Center (MCTEC)” is a couple blocks from the “Maricopa County Enterprise Tech” building, which is their “Office of Enterprise Technology”… in other words, their IT department offices.
https://www.maricopa.gov/1500/Technology
If you assume the Election Center has to be super-duper locked down, physically and digitally, then that would make it a good place to house racks of county servers containing all sorts of interesting data and functionality (possibly even including law enforcement). It would be close enough for somebody a couple blocks over to walk down and futz with some cables, replace a disk, or whatever.
In that case the Election Systems would be phycially located in the same space (MCTEC), and likely running over the same “secure” network as everything else… not the best strategy, but certainly simpler than running an entire network dedicated to Dominion.
So their argument could be that exposing their whole network topology exposes all of the IP addresses and whatnot of everything plugged into that network… Dominion servers, but also databases and whatnot. That’s the only explanation I can come up with.
Monday AM video not playing – not showing as an embedded video 🙁
Still waiting for the Kraken to you…know crack open corruption, restore the election integrity.
Why is “the Routers” the Hill they are willing to die on? When it became obvious they would have to turn over the ballots they did so with minimal complaining, but intensified the fight over the routers. Why? It sort of implies that what they will find in the routers will be far worse than the “routine” fraud – no/wrong/fake addresses, single candidate ballots, etc – on the ballots. I’m not a computer guy. What might be in the routers? Records of who was exchanging instructions/data with the machines? What else?
Because they need to line up the forensic findings from the Antrim Michigan tabulation server that ip addresses were found to belong to a location in Tiawan and Germany!
Its on Page 11 of the legal filing from Deperno -“brief in response to motion for summary disp.pdf”
Servers for a Dominion subsidiary are in Frankfurt, Germany
There have been a lot of hills in this and not all of the hills belong to the nay side of the audit.
The routers themselves, I think they are probably going to figure out that the data is either missing or includes traffic thats going to be hard to explain.
Their explanation thus far doesn’t make a lot of sense unless they intentionally configured it to spike the punch bowl.
At the same time the auditors themselves have had to know this for a few weeks now…
To be very very frank about this, I trust neither side of this audit. None of them are being honest or fourth coming.
Routers don’t keep data other than what entity is communicating to another and the timestamp it happened. They don’t store any of the data being sent. To say sensitive data would be at risk is a false statement.
totally right, but the log itself would/could be “sensitive” depending on what it reveals about the to/from/timestamp
Bingo!
The senate relying on the judiciary is a cop-out. Find them in contempt and send your Sgt at Arms to arrest them.
If I were the AZ Judge who said “Audit happens, MCBOS give everything to Auditors” I would find the MC board of supervisors in contempt of court, throw them in the slammer until they complied.
There is no legitimate reason to block an audit of any public function. Ever.
The globalist cabal functions through deception and when sunlight begins to reach their secret dark places they create distractions like September 11,2001 or January 6, 2021. The closer the lie comes to full exposure we should all expect another virus, another mass shooting, another war or maybe even an assassination so the media can go to work distracting citizens with more fear porn and prevent the truth from coming forth. False flag psyops are their favorite tctic.
Everyone should send a message to the SOS in AZ that these elections belong to we the people and if we want an audit, we should get one!
@SecretaryHobbs
(602) 542-9781
https://azsos.gov/contact-azsos
She is a Soros plant, she is part of it all!
She is 100% correct in her descriptions of how it is *supposed* to work. Did you know that every publicly owned corporation must go through an annual IT audit? Did you know that auditors regularly audit the network gear? What the audit team wants is a normal ask. It is stunning that the board of supervisors is running scared. What that means to me is, the voting systems were connected to non-dedicated, unsecured, local area network – violating all the rules.
Also, the Democrats will start a world war before they allow the fake election to be overturned. That’s how they roll.
You all prob already know this and may rightly throw rotten veggies at my head, but we are aware, yes? that Pamela “Beach Friends” Karlan is the force behind stopping the AZ audit?
Just heard it on Raheem Kassaam’s podcast.
Gee wiz, are there no others for people to befriend?
Off for more listening, ducking and dodging rotten veggies aimed at my head…
She would be too. Not only was she lost long time ago sayng “said,”I have to cross the street when I walk past a Trump property“. What kind of professor is one who does not know ‘Barron’ is not an English word? While purportedly testifying on constitutional law; answering the question about differences between a president and a king; to have have brought the President’s son name up “He can’t make him a Barron”. Most unattractive human trait, snobbish resentful ignorance.
I did a fair amount of networking 2000-2010. She is completely right about routers generally being network appliances with a lot of L2, L3, and even L4, functionality implemented in silicon. Combining router functionality with data storage and apps is complete amateur hour. I don’t know what is more embarrassing: coming up with this lame excuse, or perhaps being so incompetent as to do something so silly.
Arizona Republican State Senator trashes AZ Maricopa County audit.
https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/552590-gop-state-senator-in-arizona-recount-makes-us-look-like-idiots
Arizona – GET RID OF THIS GUY BOYER.
I can’t believe I’m the first to mention this guy on this thread.
He is going to derail the whole process.
I recall he almost did already.
“ The auditors and State Senate are likely to battle Maricopa county in court. ”
That happened last week or maybe the week before. The judge said the Senate’s subpoena was valid and legitimate.
The Senate now needs to enforce their subpoena. They were supposed to issue subpoenas today to get people under oath about why these items have not been provided. I haven’t seen any updates on that yet.
Clearly these routers are a very high-value item. There must be something very damaging within. Also the pressure to stop canvassing suggests they fear discovery of lots of phantom voters.
When the board of corruption of Maricopa county came up with the lie and lame excuse of……law enforcement data could be exposed……that was something to jump on as all the more reason to examine the machines, router systems, etc!!
If law enforcement data could be exposed then something is terribly wrong because there should not be anything or any entity connected to those vote machines!!!!
SOBs
Hear From the First Attorney to Have Court Order to Audit Dominion Machines in the Nation
https://home.frankspeech.com/video/hear-first-attorney-have-court-order-audit-dominion-machines-nation
When they throw this smoke, their pants are on fire.
Yup, they rigged it.
1) Connecting Maricopas electronic election systems into networks shared with any other entity or purpose would be illegal, and destroy all pretense of election security or integrity. If this happened, Maricopa’s 2020 election, and possibly other years, should be null and void.
2) Maricopa’s BoS has publicly announced that their election systems were indeed networked with other systems.
Kelli Ward seems to be playing this smart. It might take a few days for eyes to open, but by calling out the BoS for the Big Lie, she is pointing right at the MUCH WORSE TRUTH. The BoS has made auditing the routers and servers absolutely imperative — if the question is “why are they stonewalling on this?”, “because the election networks were connected to non-election computer systems” is a sufficient answer. It needs to be made clear to the judge that access to the routers, etc., is imperative because of the County’s own claim.
So now we see that both Republicans and Democrats in Maricopa County joined forces to execute the election steal. And they will effectively block the access needed by the audit to expose it. Big surprise. And a big waste of time.
It is of course transparent what they are very-clumsily trying to conceal: that the networks were not isolated. How do I know this for certain? It’s easy: “the guilty run when not being chased!” ? If they had nothing to hide, they wouldn’t try.
If the FBI can raid citizens’ homes and seize their property seemingly Willy-nilly, i do not understand why this equipment cannot be seized since a judge has given the go-ahead for the audit. Hoping someone smarter than me can explain, and also suggest what it would take to do so.
Over 25 years in the telecommunications/It profession here. It would be best to do a little more due diligence before accepting Kelli’s statement at face value. I was alerted to the router controversy a few days ago by a friend in AZ. From my viewpoint as a technical person, political figures on both sides (K. Ward, K. Bennett et al) are misinformed about how routers function in a network, and are taking nonsense positions.
My understanding from readings elsewhere is that Cyber Ninja access to some, not all of the routers are the issue. It’s highly unlikely that a completely self-contained IT network was created just for the purposes of an election — the cost would be too high, analogous to building a completely private highway system across the state of AZ just for the elections.
Most likely multiple VPN-style sub-networks were built with firewall protections ( akin to multiple independent gated communities possessing private roads with entry/exit gates and guards) were built at the election related offices, but somewhere encrypted data passed through state network routers (state highways) as part of the vote tabulation process.
How to examine the state routers is the question. My understanding is the Cyber Ninjas proposes to take them out of the state network for examination which would be highly disruptive to current state communications. The solution could be a less invasive in situ examination of this router subset.
What’s that line again???
“If you’ve got nothing to hide, you’ve got nothing to fear”
Being a Democrat means never having to obey a subpoena.
(Bumped, [b/c I’m too brilliant to be missed ?])
3 points:
1) I suspect the Dems’ strategy is to drag this out till (they hope) Audit Fatigue sets in and whatever the audit reports will seem anticlimactic.
2) But the harder WE fight, the harder THEY must defend, the more complex their web becomes, & the greater the likelihood for a catastrophic failure in it.
3) If such a forensic audit were to be done in PA and GA, can you imagine the volume of filth, the screaming, & the resistance by the Circle of Jerks? I suspect that AZ wasn’t even their top priority.
Kudos to the Doc that was very clearly explained, that is what should happen and deviance from that pathway is illegal.
So they have clearly deviated, such fervour against sunlight is just a bit of a tell I would say and the whole protecting data is an abundantly obvious obfuscation…
…..OR they truly are so corrupted, that to save cash, all whilst receiving millions from obama/soros/zuckerberg/general scumbags on the side, they just went f**k it lets not buy some servers, this nice billionaire has told me I can do it another way and it is extra secure.
” All I have to do is stick all the election data on the police and medical servers and then we have saved money and increased our security, winner all round, we can even spend some of the money and buy ourselves some nice home computer upgrades, result eh.
Even better they have a lovely team of experts that can run the election for us, all we have to do is hand over complete access to them and they can provide us with the most super secure, bestest ever election and to top it all off we can use the nice billionaires holiday home in Mauritius with all our free time they have said, sweet 🙂
After all these are the most trusted election companies in the world, they told me so, so it must be true and for a limited time only if we sign up quick this nice election company will give us a brand new Ferrari as a loyalty bonus, they are just that fab!
Finally the cherry on top is that they will with the fbi sweep all those databases for us and route out any and all of those domestic terrorists which we will all agree are the biggest threat to our feelings, I mean humanity since, well the dawn of time. ”
I`am taking the piss of course but I would reckon it is not so far from the reality of what happened at least in some individual instances 🙂
I was just reading an abridged version of Alexis de Tocqueville,Democracy in America. The two points I caught were that our Christianity was what allowed democracy to work in America bc of our moral laws outside government and the decentralization of our government meant that we couldn’t be controlled by anything like the monarchies of Europe.
We’ve had our morality thrown out the window by the same forces that are centralizing our government. Our country depends, hinges upon our States bc they are all that keep federal gov and whomever owns them from owning us.
Attorney R0bert Barnes opines that the whole server/router/tabulation brouhaha is a diversion by the Democrats to misdirect the GOP away from the real fraud – signature verification. The Democrat are caterwauling and fighting about the servers and the passwords is a Brer Rabbit gambit: PUH-leeze, whatever you do, DON’T look at those computers!”
And then, in return for the GOP dropping the signature audit … the Democrats allow them to look where there’s nothing to find.
Well done, Republicans.