U.S District Judge Dabney Friedrich has ruled the CDC has exceeded its authority with the federal ban on evictions during the COVID response. [pdf ruling HERE]
The issue at the heart of the matter is one of private property rights. As the judge stated: “The question for the Court is a narrow one – “Does the Public Health Service Act grant the CDC the legal authority to impose a nationwide eviction moratorium? It does not.”
(WASHINGTON) – Federal Judge Dabney Friedrich struck down on Wednesday the national eviction moratorium, potentially leaving millions of Americans at risk of losing their homes.
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has banned most evictions across the country since September. President Joe Biden extended that protection to renters until July. Some 1 in 5 renters across the U.S. are behind on their payments amid the pandemic, and states are scrambling to disburse more than $45 billion in rental assistance. (read more)
Judges in Ohio and Texas have previously ruled against enforcement of the ban based on property rights. The federal government cannot block evictions for failure to make payments to private property owners. The Washington Post reported that officials in the Treasury Department were “racing” to distribute COVID relief aid before eviction moratoriums were struck down; the Biden administration knew what they were attempting would be overturned by the courts.
In a related note….
That last part is so absolutely accurate. I saw a sign on a burger king today, “Work Today get paid Tomorrow.” I’ve seen that advertised before.
The government has basically been confiscating property throughout covid in the name of public health. If the public benefits by confiscating property then the public should pay.
This is the problem with deficit spending, nobody feels the pain. If you had to tax people to pay for things there would be immediate outcry. instead we get “we are all in this together” crap with many feeling no pain.
If the actual taxpayer’s had a lobbying firm,maybe we could have taxation ,”With ” Representation…
Well, let’s use something like the Iraq war. If people had a war tax deducted form their paycheck, we would not be there simply because people would object to the cost. Instead we wasted trillions for nothing. And we got nothing to show for it.
When politicians face pushback, we get representation. We do not need a lobbying firm.
Well now that we have rigged erections politicians will feel no pushback.
Shoot, I knew they were rigging elections, but rigging erections…that’s going to far!!! (in my best George Costanza impersonation)
I believe many citizens would be better off hiring lobbyists than wasting time and money on elections – especially those of us who live in areas with endemic election fraud.
We did until the 17th Amendment.
Here is the real sneaky part.
Everyone does feel the pain, but it is distributed and largely dissociated from that which caused it.
This is why government caused inflation is such a pernicious stealth tax.
I always thought from the first time I heard of shut down that that businesses forced to shut down would be elegable for a per diem property tax rebate for all their properties they were unable to earn (taxable) income from on account of government orders, hardly a Just compensation. But I thought the bare minimum.
I was so surprised I never heard it mentioned elsewhere.
Isn’t there a case for eminent domain compensation or absense of due process?
Why isn’t ourside suing more? Why aren’t aggrieved parties getting together and getting a lawer?
Why isn’t any governing body afraid of being sued for taking away constitutional rights?
I saw a sign at the Democrat HQ today:
‘Get paid today, work tomorrow.’ 🙂
Yep. The headline in Epoch Times earlier today illustrates the frustration that small business owners have been experiencing…since getting unconstitutionally shut down last year.
https://www.theepochtimes.com/restaurants-ready-to-hire-but-government-payments-keep-workers-home_3796054.html
All COVID nonsense protocols are beyond the authority of CDC.
DD
But, but, but … SCIENCE!! What? Are you some kind of a Fundie Denier? Shame! Shame!
Right? Gawwwwwd …
Wow, you mean the CDC has no law passing powers, especially over private property rights. Good, because I was beginning to wonder who really passes law in this country anymore. Not happy about anyone losing there homes or being evicted but the Constitution is the law.
JoeBama’s weakness’s are really starting to show more and more everyday, they’re gonna need a BIGGER fence.
Lots of abuse with the unemployment and covid bailout money. I have a buddy who is retired from a well paying job with pension and SS who is getting free money. He was driving for Uber. He may be the exception to the rule. There never should have been a lockdown. We know that as the data comes in!
I also know of people who took money by being deceitful. They own more than one home, new boat, high end car, free health care. It is situations like this that make me want it all to go bankrupt.
For whatever reason I do not qualify for the givermint’s covid cheese. I am eternally grateful to God for that. I am seriously allergic to givermint cheese. I have no intention of getting rid of this particular allergy.
^^This. I was out of work May 1, 2020. I had no prospects. I filed for unemployment as I filled out applications and wore my shoes out visiting potential employers. I was employed May 12, 2020. I only took one week of aid. Just one. My new job was part-time and paid $11/hr. I made about $200 per week taking all the hours I could get. If I’d been a lazy bum I would have hauled in $875 a week sitting on my butt. The overly-generous hand-outs disincentivize a LOT of people with a lazy gene.
Sick.
????
How did you pay your bills on $200 a week? Around here that wouldn’t even cover utilities, and we’re not in a particularly high cost-of-living area.
Sounds like a taxpayer subsidized, means-tested, rent controlled (senior?) apartment. Rent is calculated as a fixed percentage of income, no matter what that income is. And utilities are often included.
Yeah. My lazy gene dropped and broke as soon as I exited the womb… Mom could not figure out how to fix it so here I am…
You have my utmost respect.
While there was no way I was going to be able to sneak anything in, I have to admit that I would have done so if I thought I could. as far as I am concerned, I have been bilked for so long and they are in the process of destroying what buying power I have left, any handout I can get access to is deserved by me as much as by anyone else right now.
Uber and Lyft drivers are making more at home than from working in many large cities. Taxi drivers in Vegas repeatedly told of unheard of mileage and income lately, due to the government handouts to the rideshare folk. They were also furious that their income tax is supporting their competition.
And as the data comes in and is analyzed I’ll bet we’ll see that, as with lockdowns and mask mandates, we didn’t need a faux vaccine to steepen the downward path of the virus numbers. And think of how much is being spent on that.
A side affect of the unconstitutional no eviction order is that no one is moving.
When people are notified their leases are up they have no place to go or they get cornered into paying exorbitant rents because jerks figure they’ll jack up rents because the renters are cornered.
Given the current social and political unrest, I’d expect the cash for keys scenarios that played out during the last real estate crash will be on steroids this time, given the wholesale destruction to Main Street, much of which goes unseen. Renters aren’t dumb, they know if things go sideways and they get evicted no one else is going to rent to them, at least no one that runs credit reports/landlord checks, and it’ll be squatter city, including violence. Heck, there’s violence out there apparently approved of by law enforcement and government right now. The more the merrier.
So, with one in five renters four or more months behind in rent and some 43 billion in arrears out there, I don’t see this ending well.
It “won’t end well”, because its not INTENDED to end well.
“Never let a crises go to waste”, REALLY means create a crises, to justify and build support for the program you want to institute.
So, small landlords go bankrupt, Govt buys up the properties, and becomes the “landlord”; MORE Govt dependancy.
Its NOT that Biden people are incompetent or stupid, and implementing these policies out of stupidity, and NOT knowing the consequences.
Its deliberate, intentional destruction of our Country.
Damn straight!
Good to see you Brother, you’ve been missed.
Dutchman!
Made my day/week/month seeing you here. You’ve been missed.
Thank you, this needs to be said more often.
Glad to see you back Dutchman!
Hence the term PRIVATE PROPERTY! Why are they jerks? When your California pension plans make double digit gains…are the corporations that are making those profits jerks…your double standard reeks!
Guess they better get back to work then………
U.S District Judge Dabney Friedrich a President Trump nominated Federal Judge! Finally!
You can’t “Build Back Better” BETTER if you don’t destroy everything first.
DING!!!! You won the interwebs post of the day!!!!!
Finally one judge got something right. Meanwhile apartment and rental property owners have had to pay their mortgages, insurance and other fixed costs associated with rental properties. Since when do unelected bureaucrats in the CDC get to put moratoriums on rent due. Federal government is out of control. Our Congress is cowards for letting this happen.
Nope…WE ALLOWED THIS TO HAPPEN by handing our liberties to government
So all the landlords that suffered adverse consequences are entitled compensation for the government’s illegal edict?
is the /sarc really needed?
Yes and class actions have likely already been filed. No sarcasm.
A judge in the “District” no less. Well I’ll be….
Sad thing is people are losing their homes BECAUSE the CDC and demonrats have shut down their places of employment.
“Demonic-Rats”. Fixed your typo. ?
It’s big brother.
Giving out shots in the parking lot of the ball park. Otherwise no admittance.
They don’t realize that that the sport is already ruined.
https://www.mlb.com/news/fans-can-get-vaccinated-at-citi-field-yankee-stadium
This is the 2nd time a judge did this on the federal level. It won’t take this time either. The governors in the states that are blue will still stop the evictions.
Then pass a law. If enough voters like it, get the Legislature to write it and the Governor to sign it. That is how it is supposed to be done.
What we cannot have is decree by fiat Bureaucrats that override contract law on a whim of emergency/not-emergency.
You got it. This is exactly how Communists confiscate private property.
There is always the pretext of one “emergency” or another, along with fake indignation that someone who works harder (gasp) may have more than someone who doesn’t.
Bullsheet. That’s a cop-out. Get off your duff and get a job like everyone else.
And this hasn’t been an emergency since at least last summer.
Except states cannot (theoretically) pass laws that are unconstitutional. Uncompensated seizure of property (which anti-eviction laws are) is not even vaguely constitutional.
There is a legal term for this type of action by government or an individual…it is called “illegal taking”
“The governors in the states that are blue will still stop the evictions.”
Cuomo in NYS got that memo. He still considers himself blameless.
I only know this because it was being spouted off on my local TV propaganda outlet this morning while I was checking that channel for the latest weather forecast.
Otherwise, I don’t want to hear about hospitalization numbers and the “positivity rate”, etc. I never heard that term “positivity rate” before this Wuhan virus fiasco.
This is a great ruling- I hope it has some effect on things.
I am a landlord with a small cottage I inherited that I rent out to help supplement my income which is not very much, especially in a Blue Commie State like NY.
Lucky for me, I did not lose much money due to the non-eviction laws only because I was SUPER CAREFUL with who I rented to. I almost got stuck with a deadbeat who owed me rent money and he threatened to stay after the lease expired because he knew I couldn’t evict him. The real problem is THE LOCAL COURTS ARE CLOSED!
Most people don’t realize that in the Blue states like mine, much of what passes as local government is still not fully opened. The judges really like being on permanent vacation so if you have a dispute before the local justice court, forget about it.
I got rid of the tenant by telling him he didn’t have to pay the rent he owed if he would leave; luckily that worked.
I had to be extremely careful finding another tenant and I put a clause in the lease that says that they waive any “rights” they may have due to the pandemic “orders” of the state.
Many people who live in Blue DemoRat states believe that they are entitled to free rent. They do not know or understand what private property rights are.
When I lived in the S. Adirondacks (Mayfield) from 1986-1996, there were real estate agencies that would screen prospective tenants for landlords for a month’s rent. They could do things like run credit checks, etc. that private citizens could not do.
Thanks to the internet, landlords today have access to all the same tools for tenant screening.
Turn it OFF! Need a weather forecast, stick your head out the door.
Lots of reasons to justify not “cutting the cord”, objectively few if any are valid, IMHO.
I cut the broadcast tv cord, years ago, and never had the cable cord.
One of the best decisions I ever made.
If I lived alone, I would. My mother takes care of that part, she is not tech savvy to deal with Internet streaming services and switching things around with over the air antennas, etc.
Taking care of helping 84 yr. old mom living in her 4 bedroom split level house with almost an acre of land with a prime steelhead fishing stream in her backyard.
Weather changes fast in WNY. Doing stuff like applying Thompson’s Water Seal requires knowing what is coming.
It has to dry for 48 hrs above 50 degrees and w/o getting wet.
No reason not to cut the cord.
https://watchnewslive.tv/
We can either take every win – no matter how small – and build on it or we can keep complaining that “nothing will change,” or that the all powerful demonrats and their evil will reign supreme.
Amen.
And one way leads to more expectations and positive changes and the other to defeatism……. and Nothing changes.
This seems to be the playbook over the last few years now. Just make any rule you want that you know is unlawful or unconsitutional and by the time it get’s through the courts they will have gotten what they wanted.
Kind of like the Biden Relief Fund that is prioritizing funds for NON-WHITE small business owners. Absolutely 100% unconstitutional. But so what, by the time someone sues and it get’s through the courts for a decision it will be a year or two and the funds will be gone.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/05/04/biden-coronavirus-relief-prioritizes-funds-for-non-white-business-owners/
The lesson to be learned is to ignore them.
Why aren’t the congressional republicans suing on behalf of all of their non-black citizens of their states? They should ask for an immediate injunction to stop distribution of any of that money. That was a rhetorical question of course.
It is about time a judge upholds the Constitution and private property rights. Marxists think that “government money” grows on trees, and landlords are kulaks who don’t deserve their own property.
how else do you vacate millions of property’s in short order if your goal is the Green New Deal / Agenda 2030
#Plandemic
Now all those swampy fat cats who have been salivating to acquire all this new rental real estate that will flood the market and All those illegal aliens and refugees will now not worry about a housing shortage and Biden along with catholic charities and the like will gladly be paying their rents with taxpayer money……
oh and the joy of more poop and drug infested homeless camps will be sure to please Pelosi and co.
The CDC ought not have any authority at all.
They DON’T. The whole government, Federal, State and local has NO authority, except that which We, the People grant it.
Sundance has repeated it ad nauseum, but obviously not enough.
If ONE hairdresser or small business defies orders to close, the Govt can exert enormous pressure on them.
If ALL small businesses defy such orders, the government is POWERLESS.
Doing my part
No guts – no glory.
No balls – no blue chips.
Well thank goodness a Judge stood up for private property rights. I’m sorry when anyone falls on hard times, but a moratorium on evictions teaches people that they can “pass the buck”. Liberalism is all about passing the buck. When the buck gets passed it becomes a domino effect.
And yes, I’ve been there.
I believe there’s a difference between a person falling on hard times in an otherwise functional and robust society and government using judicial and executive power to shut down businesses and order people into their homes and limit freedom of movement and discriminate regarding what is essential and what is not. Taking the political spectrum out of it, my bet is plenty of historically gainfully employed, bill-paying, strong credit risk humans had their lives turned upside down through no fault of their own, even if they didn’t get seriously ill from Covid.
And don’t get me started on all the OSHA regulations, as if my industry isn’t swimming in those already, that Covid foisted onto businesses to be able to function. All under color of law and with substantial penalty or criminal arrest for failure to comply.
I’d say, as a guy born during Ike’s administration, I’m more pissed about the wholesale destruction of my freedoms and business than anything else. While I don’t doubt liars and cheaters haven’t done OK, people playing ‘by the rules’ have had quite a challenge, and for me, it’s the final straw after decades of dealing with overbearing and intrusive government. Done!
The Democrat-Communists are beyond evil. They shut down businesses, cause people to lose jobs and income and be unable to pay rent, dangle unemployment crumbs in front of them to keep them from going back to work when businesses reopen, and then deny property owners their due rent and try to bankrupt them as well. The only thing Democrat-Communists know how to do is destroy.
People who have been frugal and budgeted wisely will be forced to support those who have not.
Sadly there are many who have lost their jobs because of the politicians who now expect those who have kept their jobs and homes to fork out more. These people should demand the politicians take substantial salary cuts, massively reduce wasteful spending, terminate their boondoggles and reprioritize government spending so that there is sufficient money to help them get back on their feet. If not they must resign and let the people choose new leaders who really care.
The question now is , does this get kicked into another court and get a stay or do evictions start right away ?
You can bet property owners were still expected to pay property taxes though.
The CDC is a PRIVATE COMPANY. NOT A PART OF THE GOVERNMENT. That’s like FACEBOOK telling you what you can and cannot do. Hey CDC, PISS OFF!
AND Herr Fauchi makes millions off “his” patents on vaccines!
Where in the world did the CDC think it had the authority to tell private property owners how to operate. Contracts, leases and loans have agreements that you signed. My god, the GM shake down by Obama is not the model.
CNN and every other MSM told us so. The problem is a serious lack of critical thinking skills.
When BIG GOVERNMENT sticks their noses in where they don’t belong, they ALWAYS initiate a cascade of events that are increasingly worse, just like when idiots introduce non-native species into a closed eco-system to “Monkey” with it.
They should NOT have shut things down in the first place. Had they not, we would not find ourselves in our current mess.
Which is exactly why they did it.
Duh.
Can the CDC also conduct foreign policy and sign treaties? Asking for friend Fauci…
wow. This is big.
This seemed like – partially at least- just a ploy to run every last small landlord out of town, leaving everyone at the mercy of Big Corp. Owned apts.
Lord knows they’ve made a LOT of progress over the last couple decades with that. This would’ve killed off what few are left.
Thanks to the D.C. Judge!
It will take about three months to get someone evicted. A lot of things can happen in three months. This whole thing stinks to high heaven. Nirvana built this.
Joebama built this.
This started under Trump.
Attention Serfs: You have a right to do as you please with your property. Until the Government decides its no longer your property.
Calling Covid a pandemic is like calling everyone a racist.
Both words (pandemic, racist) are meaningless now.
Good. Now let kids go to school and camp without masks on.
“..potentially leaving millions of Americans at risk of losing their homes?”
Come again? People behind on their rent payments obviously don’t *own* the homes they live in. They are squatters.
The party’s over, folks.
To paraphrase Margaret Thatcher, “The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people’s money.”
These renters aren’t going to lose “their homes”. They may lose the legal opportunity to dwell in someone else’s residential property but that is how the world operates. If you do not pay rent then you do not get to occupy another person’s property.
Just now there are people I worked with pre-pandemic who are returning to work. They did not want to return to work and make $1,000 (after taxes) a week when they could stay home, do nothing, and collect $469 (before taxes) a week. They
chose to make less money. They chose to remain furloughed. But their landlord should suffer because they cannot afford to pay rent?
Too many people *choose* to live off gubmint incentives. They rationalize to themselves that an honest day’s work is for chumps, because it is more lucrative to game the system.
Communists encourage such thinking, because it bankrupts the middle class and drags everybody down to a “managed” poverty level.
Adding to this burden is the illegal trafficking of migrant laborers to drive down the living wage. This corporate profit squeeze collapses on itself with a dwindling middle class tax base to make up the difference.
So the government kills the economy and puts millions out of work, now a federal judge says property owners can throw people in the street because not doing so is unconstitutional?
I smell a rat.
Funny how we have all these illegals coming through the border all day long, big tech killing the 1st Amendment, critical race theory, government spying on and on and on…but…let’s toss out of work people out in the street because it violates property rights?
Disgusting!!!!
Are you some kind of communist? Do you have any idea what you are talking about? Do you think there should be free rent for everyone?
I don’t know where you live but I can’t wait to see how you like it when your local landlords walk away from their properties and they get taken off the tax rolls. Then YOU can support all those “out of work” deadbeats.
I don’t necessarily agree with this but like Sundance said this boils down to property rights.
The government forced this crap on everyone and of course we will be left holding the bag as every benefit will be given to the haves and the have nots can eat cake.
History tells us this isn’t going to end well, especially for the elites….
Ground report: eviction moratoriums weren’t working anyway. Husband gets paid bi-weekly and just started this job, so we were without income for long enough that we went through our entire savings. I spent three days, all day long, on the phone, trying to find emergency rental help. Private and public organizations; there’s nothing left. Unprecedented volume of pleas for help.
Daily news articles, restaurants in various cities in SC can’t find people to work. They’re blaming unemployment. They’re also paying $2.15 an hour and ‘encouraging customers to tip back-of-house’ to make up for it.
Rents are going up.
DEW is corrupt and incompetent.
If your previous employer tells them you’re ineligible for unemployment, that’s it, that’s the end. No appeals process, no way to set the record straight – even if you have proof. (How do I know? My husband got fired, back in October, for following company policy – he woke up with a fever over 99, and instead of coming in, he called in to tell them he had a fever. Their response – “don’t bother coming back.” No, he wasn’t the only one.)
Businesses have signs up “urgently hiring.” White males need not apply. Or, go through the temp companies so the businesses can catch up to their current workload while overworking you and paying a couple cents above absolute nothing, and then let you go – no, don’t need you to actually fill the entire contract time. (Oh, and if you work temp, you’re not qualified for unemployment.)
No offense to Sundance or the Treepers, but the issue is absolutely not as black-and-white as it’s being painted.
I agree!
Funny how we have all these illegals coming through the border all day long, big tech killing the 1st Amendment, critical race theory, government spying on and on and on…but…let’s toss out of work people out in the street because it violates property rights?
Disgusting!!!!
“Violates property rights”
You seem okay with a person having THEIR Rights violated. What other Rights are okay to violate?
Bear Arms? Freedom of speech? Free and fair elections? Innocent until proven guilty? Freedom of Religion? Freedom of assembly ?
I guess in your eyes an American citizen can have their Rights violated if there is a sob story attached to it.
Property owners still had to pay the mortgage, insurance, and property taxes. How do you know that they weren’t out of work struggling to pay those expenses? Plus the expenses on their home?
Why do you assume that landlords weren’t struggling financially as well?
My 92 yo aunt relied upon a NYC rental property to meet her basic needs. People assume that landlords are all rich slumlords, because that is what the ENEmedia conditions us to believe as we slide down the road to Communism.
Isn’t it interesting how many “conservatives” often join with the left’s condemning of any business owner as rich and evil?
The problem with the CDC’s diktak is that it punished one set of citizens for the pain IT inflicted on others. What’s more the cdc deliberately created a horrific situation for people then it pitted one group against the other by deceitfully pretending that landlords were been “cruel” and “uncaring” and the people it put out of were innocent victims of aforementioned cruel landlords.
If politicians and Judges at the Federal, State and local level, all teachers, all Federal, State and local employees were not paid during the national shutdown to stem the COVID-19 pandemic like everyone else how long would that shutdown have lasted? My guess is the original two weeks to control it and that would have been the end of the shutdown! They all became nothing more than welfare queens of the shutdown! This should never happen again! They had no skin in the shutdown! Politicians and Judges won’t ever give up their paychecks why should everyone else?
i believe i read merrick garlands DOJ/FIB is appealing the decision.
The arrogance of the power-mad medical establishment coming face-to-face with the rule of law. Let the people use their own best judgment when dealing with a nasty cold; the combined wisdom of over 300 million souls far exceeds that of the petty medical bureaucrats.
In effect the CDC order was an illegal taking of private property without a condemnation procedure and compensation paid to the property owner. Regardless of what Public Health Service Act provides the moratorium violates the Constitution!
There is a house across the street from me where the woman lived there for several years without paying her house payment or utilities or taxes. The house was foreclosed by the bank and sold at auction two years ago and the new owners were unable to evict her for two more years. The place was a dump with junk cars parked in the grass, it looked abandoned and ready to fall down. How would like to be her neighbor? The new owners have been working non stop cleaning up the mess, they are on the fourth drop box in three weeks. Crews cutting down fallen trees and cutting blackberries. This is what you get with a ban on evictions, dead beats living for free on someone else’s dime and making the place into a dump.
The rent part is what I never understood.
Majority of landlords are small business people, many actually small business people who use their rental investments to supplement their very small retirement/ss checks.
From the get go I was wondering who in the H3LL was going to take care of the Landlords.
It has become apparent that many of the renters who used the COVID loophole were people who were very capable of paying their rent due to still be employed, getting payed by their employers, and/or getting unemployment that far exceeded the paychecks they normally got.
Hopefully this opens the CDC up to civil liability suits… Wouldn’t that be just awesome!!!
Why is it considered selfish and immoral for me to want to keep what I have earned, but not selfish and immoral for another, who has done nothing to earn it, to demand and accept it from me?
Ironically you just described one of the main themes of Atlas Shrugged written by Ayn Rand.
The CDC has no legislative authority whatsoever nor should they. A pox on them. Pun intended.
Property rights matter a hell of a lot more to me than BLM or any other parasitic alphabet group.
What took so long? Hell, the POTUS does no have that authority. Good ruling though. Thank the Lord for decent judges that realize we have a Constitution.
Seems like the CDC has “exceeded its authority” on a lot of occasions lately?
We are headed for total disaster. This can’t continue.
All these stimulus checks and what are people buying with them while they are being handed money to pay rent? Toys. 5th wheel trailers, 4 wheelers, boats, new cars, houses they can’t afford but they get approved for a loan anyway.
How would you like to be this couple? They paid cash.
Couple buys $560,000 dream home, but seller refuses to leave due to coronavirus eviction moratorium loophole
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/california-couple-buys-dream-home-can%27t-move-in-eviction-moratorium
Absolutely cruel and heartless. Yet we are all supposed to condemn this couple because you know the “poor” tenant.
I never did understand how the CDC suddenly became authorized to make laws.
Well maybe now some of these leeches will get off their fat a$$ and get back to work.
The CDC is about as credible as our pResident.
https://news.yahoo.com/cdc-employees-call-agency-declare-153846890.html