The original post was an assembly of thoughts from the fantastic team helping to keep CTH level and steady. It was accidentally published prior to my review.. /SD.
The Treehouse previously operated on the WordPress/Automattic platform without a lot of fanfare; a genuine labor of love. At first it was just a blogging platform, but as technology became more sophisticated, things got better for you, the loyal reader and the admin team. Specifically, CTH was able to monetize the site with advertising, which allowed me to spend more time doing research, writing articles and managing the direct concerns of the readers. Running ads was a checkbox, we turned it on and it just worked.
It’s safe to say that we were unaware of the amount of technical value, managing day to day technical issues, that blogging platforms like WordPress.com delivered. That all changed when CTH was deplatformed by Matt Mullenweg’s WordPress.com.
Fortunately, the software that operated the site was “open-source,” which means we had the option of moving the whole site to new servers without a lot of TECHNICAL issues. It was was really the scale of content and the goal to preserve the decades-long library (w/internal citations) that provided the greatest challenge. However, keeping the machines running is a different game when every page view now comes at a cost.
Within the migration process we also discovered the dynamic of cost driven by the commenting system; the conversation on the porch about the stories, research and analysis. As we have often repeated: it is the conversation that matters; that conversation is your comments and fellowship.
These lessons about self-hosting a website have been very expensive. It turns out the popularity of the site requires a six-digit annual budget just to maintain the technical status quo. Independent server costs, the cache system, the CDN and bandwidth allotments, the auto-leveling needs for stability, the software licenses, the email notification system and the support developers all come with an expense. Those costs do not include all of the unpaid effort by loyal moderators, tech support and volunteers that are managing these things right now.
The initial saving of CTH and the relaunch (a great accomplishment by some fantastic tech support) was also expensive. CTH was blessed and thankful to have people that care about truth reach out to offer assistance; and CTH readers were generous in offsetting those emergency costs. Many people stepped in to help save our little corner of the internet and with a core tech team (scruffy but smart) we stand on solid ground again.
My task now is to find a revenue model that works best for the important people, you; the Treehouse readers.
Advertising seems like the obvious move, but like many nowadays, we have long been suspect of things like covert tracking (3rd party cookies); and we accept the entire content delivery ecosystem is in flux at the moment. Privacy has been our CTH priority for years, and recent events -which include our own targeting- affirmed the wisdom of putting privacy at the forefront of our discussion.
As we are seeing corporations are now openly operating their businesses with the intent to influence politics, their advertising money is now a weapon they can use to generate leverage over website content. Not only is Big Tech making ideological determinations over monetization, but advertising companies are now using their budgets to align with Big Tech’s ideological goals. This is not a good outcome. Corporate fascism is on the advance.
As Scott Adams points out in the tweet below, ad revenue is now determining the type of information we can find on the internet. Many “conservative” information websites and platforms are increasingly making content determinations in the same way that MSM cowers to the almighty corporate dollar. You might be stunned to know just how prevalent this is; I know I was.
It won't be long before consumers of ad-based news media are seen as mental slaves to ridiculous narratives while the consumers of subscription-based news are the only free thinkers remaining to preserve our system. @RubinReport @ggreenwald
— Scott Adams (@ScottAdamsSays) April 19, 2021
My priority with content has always been to stay steadfast to the motto: “The Truth Has No Agenda“, and CTH has declined financial offers because we never wanted to be in a position where outside elements have any influence on our content or conversation. Additionally, our crowdsourcing efforts not only produce great results, but our community credibility is our strength.
With all of the operational costs in mind, here is what we need to figure out: What is the best revenue model for the readers of the Treehouse?
I need to figure this out soon, or there is a slight risk there won’t be a Treehouse. Fortunately, software is soft, meaning we can experiment with models until we get it right.
We like the idea that we are in charge of our own destiny in that we are running our own servers and out of the reach of Big Tech, so while other “Free Speech” platforms like Substack, Locals and Minds look very attractive, it’s always going to be somebody else’s platform, making the enterprise dependent on their viability (remember MySpace?).
Additionally, from the outset I have always wanted to provide information free to everyone; that remains my priority. I do not like the idea that information comes with a cost; as a result a subscription based website was always a non starter for me. That said, I foresee coming up against pressure to find a revenue model (which pays for the expenses) before it’s too late.
That leaves CTH with a few paths forward to consider:
- Turn on 3rd party Advertising (we’re likely going to do that for now)
- Some kind of crowd-sourced sponsorship (PBS annual drives, Reoccurring PayPal or Subscribe Star)
- Subscription with tiered content (not all content is free) [I don’t like]
- Pay-to-not-get-what-you-don’t-want (Pay to turn off ads)
- Something else (because we are considering everything)
There also might be something else I just don’t know what it is.
As I look at the landscape I see in front of us, my goal would be to establish a proprietary system for revenue via ads that allows CTH to work directly with sponsors and not with 3rd parties. In that process we would have full control and retain 100% privacy. But to achieve that goal CTH would need to have seed capital to launch a business model and at least one person to coordinate it.
The Conservative Treehouse has always been about you, not me. For me the sharing of information is a labor of love; I truly enjoy the fellowship, the research and the writing assembly. Together with tips, crowdsourcing and research we put the information together and write articles about the ‘Occam’s Razor’ conclusions. Through the years CTH assembled a network of allies in the fight who form a deep rebel alliance of information. However, staying outside the reach of Big Tech and keeping the site anti-fragile to their attacks is a little costly.
So I turn to the experts… the people who really matter… YOU !
Before any decisions are reached I want to hear what scenario makes the most sense to you. Let me know, below.
Love to all,
Sundance

“No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the Lord, and their righteousness is of me, saith the Lord.” [Isaiah 54-17]
Whatever it takes.
Boycott, Boycott, Boycott, Boycott!!!!
Post on every conservative site a list of companies in bed with globalist’s agenda to dismantle our republic.
1. Coca Cola
2.J.P Morgan
3.Facebook
4.Twitter
5.Delta
6.Comcast
7.Verison
8.Amazon
You get the gist.
A barrage of letters, emails and phone calls etc.
80 million strong…. Should have a transformative impact over time.
P.S.
Inform Hispanic, and African Americans how the liberal agenda is enslaving them and screwing them out of their dreams.
I would be more than happy to subscribe. I can’t manage without you, Sundance, and The Conservative Treehouse.
Ditto what Dixie has said.
Dixie, I totally agree. I need The Conservative Treehouse, and will do whatever it takes to keep it going.
Same here. This site is waaaayyyyy more valuable to me than any other site I visit. The lack of screen hogging, screen shifting, and screen grabbing ads is its best feature right behind the great articles and large variety of content in the comments.
Subscription
Agree, whatever it takes
I like how American Thinker does it. I think it’s $69 per year to turn off the stupid ads and you get a nice clean site to read. I’m happy to pay it. Would be here too. Without hesitation.
I agree with Annie and American Thinker. I have contributed a few times in the past, but whatever it takes to keep the TreeHouse going will work for me.
I agree with Annie.
Our household will pay for a subscription, say the $69.00 per year.
We will offer to pay for a deserving CTH supporter that may not have other financial priorities.
A supporter that is deemed appropriate by the CTH staff.
We have gained so much knowledge and optimism from this site.
As the MasterCard commercial states it’s “ Priceless”
God bless PDJT
Oops..should of course read that may have financial priorities.
AT lost me completely when they ditched the comment section.
Subscription works for me. Thank you for all you do.
Happy to subscribe. Teach me how to do it, though. Sort of a novice at that stuff.
Subscription ; or other pay per view model. Not advertising – too unpleasant and too much can go wrong. Also not in your control.
Also too much badness can piggy back on adverts.
Whatever you choose I’m on board and will support
My first thought is “Pay-to-not-get-what-you-don’t-want (Pay to turn off ads)”…
What about merch? I know it’s pennies to the dollar, but I wonder how much could be generated with really no effort on the teams part.
Sorry for the moderation Ziiggii…I’m not sure why. You’re not on our list. 🙁
Hey Ziiggii! Missed you!
Happy to subscribe
I’d pay to not have ads or crowd-sourced sponsorship. Subscription with tiered content (not all content is free is not what CTH has ever been about. SD why would you ever want to charge people for information you want them to have?
Indeed!!
“Why would you ever want to charge for info you want them to have?” Maybe because there is no way to provide that info for free – and because I don’t want to sell my house to pay for giving it away for free – because my first obligations are to my family and church and I can’t, therefore, personally afford to give the info away for free.
No matter how badly I want people to have it.
Subscription
Been putting up with ads (elsewhere) but concerned being ad dependent makes CTH vulnerable to “Cancel Culture”.
Willing to pay subscription for CTH content.
I like the idea of ads with the option to pay to turn them off.
100k only? Use the simple PBS model…hire an endowment expert. Get bequeathed the dough to operate for 10 years. You’ll have plenty of no strings attached donors with a proper endowment expert making calls.
I will not pay for the marginal content of some sites, but to CTH, I would subscribe in a moment.
The biggest issue with other “conservative” sites that use ads is the quantity of ads. They cover the content, always demand attention and run undesired videos, which eat data plans. It is frustrating at best to try to read many sites on 1/4 of a fruit phone.
And several middle-of-the-road sites place popups that says ” we have detected an ad-blocker”. Well no kidding, if your site would not overwhelm my screen with visual garbage, ad/popup blockers would not be needed.
I also have and will continue to donate.
Ditto.
Exactly correct on all points.
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Subscription.
I am not in favor of: “Advertising seems like the obvious move, but like many people nowadays, we are suspect of things like covert tracking (cookies)”
I wouldn’t mind ads if they couldn’t track US. Once they get in I would expect them to track me down not just my cookies. The entire perspective previously stated here was to protect our privacy. I don’t trust any advertiser, high tech would come in the back door. Just how they work….NSA, CrowdStrike, etc.
Perhaps start with ads-or-subscribe, if that’s possible, and see how it goes.
I believe Treehouse would thrive with a subscription model; but one of the truly unique and invaluable strengths of this website is its ability to pull in fair-minded, truth-seeking misfits of all stripes. I’ve said here in the comments many times — I landed here fresh off of voting for Bernie in 2016! I was looking desperately for any honest discussion of Russiagate. Years later, I can say unhesitatingly that no other forum of analysis and discussion has so informed my thinking.
So, I’m in favor of keeping the Treehouse open to all-comers, one way or another. My first thought is an ads or subscription option is a better way to do that than for instance having some content behind a paywall. It’s reading the good stuff that makes you want to fork over to get behind the paywall … so it seem like there could be a bit of chicken-and-egg problem.
I suppose this is a good problem to have, and thankfully Treepers are probably the most loyal readers on the interweb.
I agree with your comment 100%. I rather pay a subscription but this site needs to be open somehow so people can get the real news. When I first came to this site in 2015 looking for unbias news about Ted Cruz and Donald Trump. Some people may not be able or not want to pay a subscription so ads would be fine. I don’t like being track and have taken many steps to avoid tracking so if there is no tracking with subscription that would be the way to go for me. The one thing is not to lose this site. TCH is the only place I go for news and that includes the comments on this site love to read them. I have learned a lot from all of you. But we don’t want to deny any future or even current reader the opportunity to continue to benefit from TCH.
I agree with this 100%. I also landed here in 2016 after voting for Bernie in the primary. I have learned so much from this site and love it. Now, I would pay for a subscription (as long as it’s affordable on my fixed income budget). Back then, I would not have been ready to commit money to a conservative site. I think if the content is only available by subscription, it will lose a huge opportunity to educate. I like the idea of doing it the way American Thinker does, as has been suggested. Pay a subscription for a nice clean site, or don’t pay and deal with those unbelievably annoying ads, but everyone has access to the information.
I would definitely subscribe or pay to turn off ads. Just keep the site features as they are.
TreeHouse-athons
I would rather just pay a yearly/monthly subscription
Subscription. God Bless Sundance & everyone at CTH!!
Subscription….with trolls (if proven??) kicked out!
Just ruminating: Having to pay anything, no matter h0w minimal, or put up with ads, will weed out a lot of voluntary trolls.
It may actually make it easier to spot the paid RolCons.
I subscribe to a couple of people on Substack and several on Locals. I really like Locals.
A subscription is preferable to me.
Pay to ditch ads would be option two.
I like the subscription idea. The Conservative Treehouse is worth it.
There’re some oldtimers on here that maybe don’t have that kind of money. I can think of one lady off the top of my head that is married, was recently or still might be pregnant and has kids- I would be sorry to no longer read her comments. She is a jewel. One of many here.
What to do, what to do…
I would be more than happy to be a subscriber. The quality of your site is out the top, the commenters are great and I learn so much. It’s my refuge.
Sundance/CTH/us treepers need to have a predictable and reliable revenue stream. Annual subscription would at least let us know what we’re working with.
I’m not sure how this would affect newcomers. You have to experience this community to appreciate it and needing a subscription would probably keep some people from visiting. So maybe paying to turn off ads would be more inviting.
Is there a way to allow for 3 months free subscription? I’ve tried a number of sites for $1.00 for the first month, etc. Some I’ve stayed with their subscriptions and others I simply allow to expire and I don’t “re-up”. I definitely agree that readers need a chance to experience the site for awhile to understand the depth and breadth of the content and comments.
Subscription with 30 day free trial. If after 30 days you are not satisfied, full refund.
Refund of what? If it’s free for thirty days just charge the fee on the 31st day. Require credit card info up front but no charge until day 31.
Big downside to that approach is that requires keeping a database of subscribers with sensitive personal information. More security headaches and expense.
I’m going to beg that you don’t put the Treehouse behind a paywall. My family is very low-income and often have long patches of no income. I can’t depend on having the money for a monthly subscription. I’d be devastated to lose the Treehouse.
I have all my ad-blocking software preemptively turned off so when the Treehouse launches ads, I’ll get every one (do y’all get paid lump sum, per view, or per click, for ads?) I’ve even thought of taking out an ad of my own if I can get my freelance editing business moving.
From a cookie/tracker standpoint, I’m okay with ads. I clear cookies on the regular. I realize that companies placing ads may then try to pressure y’all…
Having ads/paying to not see them sounds like a good option to me.
Yes, I like that option too. It’s what I do with iHeartRadio so I can listen to important podcasts without ads and with 15-second back and forward buttons.
Pay to post comments.
Pay to read comments.
both.
Develop a sponsored “garden” of advertisers and waive reading and commenting fees for readers spending time in the garden.
Allow readers to “plant seeds in the garden” for other readers to view and then go to specific business ask to sponsor content because your readers are partners with these businesses and products.
Subscription. I am happy to pay.
Subscription.
I like subscription the best of what you’ve presented. Hate ads but maybe unavoidable. Whatever works best. I am thinking subscriptions won’t be enough.
American Thinker’s subscription model seems attractive. I would endorse similar for CTH.
American Thinker seems to have lost their mojo when they cancelled reader comments.
Free access with ads. Ad free for $30 annually and then have vanity bars/badges to denote higher donations, i.e. $30 bronze, $60 silver, $100 gold, $200 platinum. The more you give the larger your avatar is how some forums fund themselves.
Correction: American Thinker (under assault) has moved its comments to MeWe: here is an example:
I have dropped American Thinker for that reason even though I always enjoyed reading their articles and comment section. I do not do social media of any kind and will not look for American Thinker comments on MeWe. So as far as I’m concerned, they HAVE lost their mojo.
Agree. I dropped AT from my daily go-to sites when they decided our input was too risky. I always enjoyed their articles because of the diverse and rich content in many of the comments underneath. Yes some were sophomoric but those are on every comment section on the web.
Interesting. I didn’t know that’s how comments worked at American Thinker. I read there occasionally and like it, but I don’t like American Thinker enough to pay a subscription.
FreeRepublic.com self-funds at the tune of about $320,000 annually. I pitch in $30 a month which is considered, in essence, a dollar a day membership. There are about one hundred of us donating this way, and the remainder of the donors give varying amounts to reach quarterly goals of $80,000. I also try to kick in $100 a quarter, usually during the final days of a 90-day funding run, when enthusiasm seems highest as the community works together to close out the drive. Good luck!
Get paid Sundance! You have more than proven your worth.
I vote for a subscription fee.
American Family Radio just finished the Spring Share-a-thon successfully. They accept checks by mail and online donations.
Subscription. With an option to subscribe yearly and recurrently. I would pay $100 yearly and recurrently.
I should have added that I would prefer the content to be available to non-subscribers though.
I prefer seeing no ads. I’ll subscribe though. ✝️?
Mark Steyn allows anyone to view most of his content, but only subscribers can post comments. (Restricted content includes fiction that he reads, question and answer sessions and some video he hosts.)
I would be willing to subscribe to CTH. Your content is widely recognized as one of the best on the web.
My opinion, I would subscribe. I quit other subscriptions after the election when the strings there became apparent and I value this site enough to pay to keep it. My only other thought on this is that I like to share some of the articles – and I would miss the ability to send a link to share a message with someone who may not be willing/able to see it. Ads are okay, if that is what is needed…
Thanks for being you 🙂 and caring.
Good point about sharing. I do occasionally send article links to several family members and a few friends.
I value CTH over any other news and analysis source on media and pledge to pay whatever the cost of subscription.
I would prefer the info still be available to the casual public but will follow whichever road you choose.
I would like the subscription route.
yearly subscribe
I agree, a yearly subscription and preferably without ads.
Have you considered BAT? Brave users generate them for free and can tip the site with them. In fact you should consider accepting all crypto as donations. You could also generate your own token (coin) if your coin model makes sense for your business. Subscribers or supporters can trade your tokens and as the price goes up, your treasury goes up. Or piggy-back on another token. Ad revenue is the least attractive model unless you are selling the ads yourself. Sponsorships with conservative companies/orgs might make sense. Sell merchandise. Also, it sounds trite, but there might be easy ways to reduce the site operational cost.
So:
1. Accept crypto donations
2. Consider selling ads and/or sponsorships.
3. Consider minting a token that the community will support. (Via subscription or premium content- or use an existing coin/token for this)
4. Sell merch.
5. Review ops for low-hanging cost cuts.
Hope this helps.
BAT and basic crypto is a good idea. But based on personal experience.. not even 10% of people willing to pay, are interested in messing with crypto coins. To say nothing of the volatility of the market and complicated tax mess that arises when you convert your crypto to USD. Etherium and BitCoin(the two biggest ones) charge transactions fees way, way too high to make sense to accept. And taking some of the lesser known low fee coins is going to take you down from 5% of your readers to probably 0%. Nobody is going to set up a wire transfer into some mid-sized exchange so they can buy Dogecoin and donate it to a website. Which leaves people who already have altcoins. I know *one* person IRL(aside from myself) who has AltCoins. That’s the last thing you add when you’re bored and looking for something to do, because it’s not a good revenue stream in 2021 (maybe in five years).
Host local cth get together, as ambassadors. Have the event raise money and organize local people.
Repeat this everywhere and have them give the donations to you.
Have each ambassador group , have a section on your site that you update with events, feedback from it, and any additional local related issues.
I see most people here are happy to subscribe, and I would gladly as well. But the goal here at CTH is to draw people into community and conversation, and I think any subscription model would put up a roadblock to that. I would gladly deal with advertising, or be happy to pay for a non-advertising version, knowing that those who might just be dipping their toes in the water won’t be more likely to turn away. My two cents.
How about something similar to what freerepublic.com does.
A fundraiser once a month til said goal is met.
From a limited budget perspective.
I don’t mind the idea of using Advertising simply because it is safe to assume many people visit the Treehouse who cannot afford to pay subscriptions, which many sites are opting to do in order to be free to speak their minds.
The early days of the internet everything was ‘free’ because of the novelty and some sites are now becoming what print was years ago, paid subscriptions for magazines and newspapers. Epoch Times, Wall St. Journal as examples, one can read part of a story but must be a paid subscriber to see the whole thing, and having arrived at that stage of my life where paid subscriptions to print magazines and papers are now in the luxury column, I don’t even bother clicking on those sites to read the simple headlines.
For example I subscribe to several Substack writers by selecting the free option simply because I want, need to, hear/read what these authors have to say but also simply cannot afford, being on the widows mite budget, to pay for things that in the past were not problem at all. Each month with the two remaining $5 to $6 per month Patreon sites I now mentally debate whether or not to keep those up, so I know that there are a lot of things I will not see from the Substack authors basis (if articles originally only for paid subscribers are later released for all) or not at all. I will never use PayPal, have never heard of Subscribe Star but if they require the same personal information that PayPal does that too will be out of range.
This situation adds to the isolation that the powers that be are foisting on everyone through the shut downs, not just physical isolation but mental as well.
At this juncture until the ‘something else’ comes along turning on the Advertising is the smart way to go. Also, there are how many people who read here and never comment? Using the advertising ability seems the most short term solution to provide the income needed to keep the site accessible to all, such as is being done for sites such as Watts Up With That and American Thinker, in the case of Watts Up comments are still available and American Thinker closed all comments, though I think I read somewhere Watts Up may be considering only letting paid subscribers comment. At least the owner of that site is throwing open the idea for consideration and comment from its readers like you are asking here.
When the ads on those two sites get to be too much, which is happening more and more with each visit, not unlike the ads at Washington Examiner and The Daily Caller became too much I couldn’t even see the article clicked on, so stopped even clicking on those two sites – until
I discovered last week for those on Chrome browser there are hidden modes one can activate when visiting certain pages so now I can click on all four of these above mentioned sites, the main page with all the overpowering ads show up, and then click on the Chrome ‘reader mode’ icon that now appears and I can read the entire article without any advertisements showing, and then if I want to make a comment there, on sites where comments are still allowed, I refresh to its original mode and make the comment. I believe the ads revenue is not affected for the site owners when the visitor uses the reader mode. (I will post a link on how to activate the hidden modes at the end of the comment).
You might want to visit over on the Watts Up With That site to read the few posts by that site’s owner, Anthony Watts, and his group of moderators where they too are trying to work out like you here at CTH 2.0 are trying to do in this age of censorship while still trying to keep the site as freely available to all who seek the truth of things.
Both CTH 2.0 and the Watts Up site appear to be facing the exact same dilemma, perhaps the two of you can come up with that “Something Else” option – because there is always a way forward when great minds put their heads together.
Here is the link for those who use Chrome on how to activate the ‘reader mode’ ability:
https://www.howtogeek.com/423643/how-to-use-google-chromes-hidden-reader-mode/