There’s an 8’x 10′ white board visible to me at all times labeled “earworm?”, I cannot erase it yet because it forces me to remind myself to keep looking at data-points to discover the origin. Those who have followed CTH for years know these nagging issues stick with me, and I cannot let them go until they are reconciled.
That was the case with the 2012 election and Mitt Romney… how did that primary shape that way when Newt Gingrich was crushing the field until Florida.
It took two years, until I found the origin of the splitter strategy (2014 RNC winter convention) – and that made all the political data reconcile. This is an example of nagging stuff that balances history; because ultimately if we don’t know the accurate history -sometimes at a very granular level- we cannot prevent or avoid repeating mistakes in the future.
The COVID-19 narrative held four primary benefits. Without COVID weaponized we would not see:
- (1) Mail-in ballots. The origination material of the 2020 fraud.
- (2) Breaking down of alliance-minded gathering and assemblies. COVID blocked group gatherings to discuss what was around us and stopped us from recognizing the scale of our assembly. COVID also took down faith-based leadership and church assembly when it was needed most.
- (3) Spending packages that were really blue state bailouts justified under the auspices of COVID relief.
- (4) Government providing the crisis solution (and all the ramifications therein).
We also know in hindsight, the 2016 presidential transition team carried an unknown motive. Who was it that recommended: Dan Coats (ODNI), Michael Atkinson (ICIG), James Mattis (DoD), Dana Boente (NSD then FBI counsel). Who was the one steering these placements from inside the transition team?
Who was in charge of the transition team and also in charge of the COVID task force?
pence-of course!!
Once again, one of the those I warned about here long ago, Pence. “No, not Pence! He’s on Trump’s side!”
I’m batting 1000 on everything I’ve ever predicted here. How? By being an EXTREME CYNIC. Why? Because that’s obviously the correct attitude based upon decades of political history viewed without bias.
I homeschooled my kids and I remember when the word “cynical” came up in something they were reading…we discussed the meaning of the word and my oldest, who always wants to know all the facts about everything, asked me if being cynical was a “bad thing”? I really had to think about that before I answered him because the word DOES have a negative connotation in our world today. But I finally settled for telling him that it is bad to be cynical if it means that you automatically assume that everyone is lying to you and therefore do not ever trust anyone BUT that if it means that you are inquisitive about facts and do not believe things that do not make sense, then it is actually a compliment!
Excellent answer vikingmom. Your children have an excellent teacher!
Thanks, Ad rem! My oldest “got it” and my youngest did not…Ironically, the one who did NOT get it was actually a national speech and debate competitor and KNOWS the truth but chooses not to follow it because it conflicts with how he “wants” the world to be!! It’s that whole “free will” thing, I guess, which has kept parents on their knees down through the centuries! Seneca the Elder and I have had many long conversations on this topic and we both continue to pray, and love, and hope, and speak truth…(sure wish I could “tag”someone in a response!)
I miss many of the old functions we used to have with WordPress too…..most notably their “notifications” bell, however, they came with a steep price.
We’re still in the middle of our “optimization phase”, and the engineers are adding some extras here and there as costs will allow. None of the “powers that be” are making things any the easier for us as well.
Chins up, however, as SD always says….we shall succeed! 😉
I only wish would be that the comments would start at page one instead of the last page. I have to always scroll to the bottom to get to the first page, but maybe I’m the only one..
I agree wholeheartedly. I have found that the first comments are mostly on point, while the deeper into the conversation you go, the further away from the topic you get. It would be great if there was a page selector at the top of the comments section.
‘free will’ in fallen ‘man’ is an utterly corrupted (as is the entire world) will.
“if it means that you are inquisitive about facts and do not believe things that do not make sense”
And that’s me. What I WANT to be the truth is NEVER a factor in what I conclude from as many facts as I can obtain from as many sources as possible which I further verify. This comes naturally from my lifelong from childhood love of science and technology and my adult employment in that.
Heck, even communists are correct in rare cases such as in this one, a very old commie adage heard in various forms and recently proven in spades by the CCP:
“A capitalist will sell you the rope you hang him with.”
The only thing that can prevent that? A government that isn’t BOUGHT.
My hunch long ago about Pence originated from reading that he and his family are best buds and were even White House bible study group members with Sessions. You know, that worthless SOB who recused himself for no good reason to let Mueller and pals do their thing, Trump saying he wouldn’t have appointed him if he’d known he’d do that. The Rat Pack.
And on the impossibility of so-called “devout Christians” being back-stabbing enemies, on a hunch I looked up whether devout Christians were Nazi devotees back in WWII Germany since all we ever hear about are the famous ones who were true Christians and WEREN’T. It appears that the Hitler fans were a substantial faction.
So, NEVER AGAIN automatically take some pol who plays the part of a devout Christian as being on your side because of that as too many people apparently do.
Totally agree! I have an analytical mind and always am trying to figure things out.
I knew when the churches started getting shut down and he said nothing, that he was not a true Christian. Plus he has THE most boring personality compared to anyone. I know why Trump probably picked him, but it is what it is now.
Patriotism (and Religion) is the last refuge of a scoundrel. – Samuel Johnson (addition is mine)
It depends on the person. Franklin Graham is a patriot and as best I can tell a sincere Christian. I would agree that some scoundrels hide behind “religion.” You just have to be careful in who you believe and trust.
Look at what came out about Dr. Ravi K. Zacharias. I had never heard of him until he died. So I looked at some of his lectures. I was uncomfortable with him and wondered why the Bible wasn’t sufficient and why he had to lean on emotional heart tugging musings from philosophers. He hide it well but it all came out after he died. He a was a sexual predator. He put Tiger Woods to shame. It was going on for decades!
Homeschooling is such a great idea, we do it for our grandchildren ( if the parents let us?)
When an adversary ( lefties or SJW accuses me of being cynical) I immediately turn it back on them.
Nope..you are being cynical about my tendency towards and walk away.
Cheers all, and God bless PDJT
Oops, I got ahead of my self.
Towards Skepticism!
The world would now be a different place if Ben Carson had been Donald Trump’s running mate in 2016. History turns on tiny pivot points.
Ben Carson was the only man of honor running in the 2016 GOP primary besides Donald Trump.
He is a wonderful man. We had the privilege, long before he ran for President to attend a pro life fund raiser at my kids Christian school. It was even more memorable when we sat next to him at his table for dinner. He is exactly as you see him and for real. Gifted Hands is a must see movie about him.
He spoke with our daughter and followed up with a beautiful letter of encouragement. I don’t know where she has it or I’d post it here with her name blocked out. It was all about encouragement and being careful with WHO you associate with. He is a phenomenal caring person that also loves our country. We treasure that memory.
Ben Carson didn’t have the inside track as to how Washington worked.
DC would have made mincemeat out of Ben Carson.
President Trump needed a Washington swamp insider.
President Trump GOT his Swamp Insider.
And look at what THAT did for him….. ?
Pontius Pence?
Judas Pence
Brutus Pence, I’d say. Stabbed Trump in the back on the Senate floor.
Not only the President. Every American voter who voted and supported the President. Thats who Pence back stabbed.
Who wore it better? The fly knows…
We know what flies are attracted to… that smelly stuff….
L’etat n’est pas 0bama
I remember him. He used to have a political career.
Well said!
Pence doesn’t care as he has done the hit job the central bank mafia tasked him with. He will live in luxury for the rest of his life. Mockingjay needed now.
Ah yes, but where will he spend eternity and what day will his life be required of him?
Where will he live when he moves into eternity?
What does that tell us about what Linn Wood had to say about Pence? :scrutiny:
What does Linn have to say about Pence?
Not Linn Wood but a person he took a deposition from who accused Pence, Rosenstein, and Roberts of being the heads of an anti-Trump group and that they were bound together by their pedophilia.
https://populist.press/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/FULL-Transcript-of-Whistleblower-Interview.pdf
It’s quite a “read.” I’m stunned. IF half of what the guy says on tape is true, things are very much worse than anyone knows or wants to believe. Read his interview and see what you think. Ghastly information about Pence and his wife, Judge Sullivan, Rosenstein, Roberts, Biden and Jill and others. Masochistic, criminal behavior in the DOJ, FBI, Secret Service and court judges. You will find it extremely nauseating and disturbing. I really don’t know if its true, but some of it rings true. Lord help us all.
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…great point…
And here was me thinking that I couldn’t possibly get any more angrier with this backstabbing bastard….
The question then arises, “How did President Trump select this backstabbing traitor as his vice president? Who suggested him to POTUS?”
Rinse
Negotiating at the republic convention.
Not just “How “, but “Why “ did he pick Pence? Why didn’t he pick a non politican?
Because he needed an insider to navigate the Washington administrative state.
Or he would of been voted out at the convention jan 6 style if he didn’t take the earworm and manafort ( after fake rape me too movement meme was started to clear out Cory for the Russia manafort in campaign fisa reason play)
Most likely because of the locker room video to secure the needed Evangelical vote.
The Vice President is rarely selected by the Presidential Nominee. I highly doubt Trump had any say in who was the pick for VP when he ran for President. The GOPe wanted someone to keep track of Trump, sidetrack anything Trump did, and undermine any efforts to drain the swamp. The man they picked was Pence. I never trusted him. I’ve always suspected him of being part of the swamp, but until he was VP, I wasn’t 100% sure. His VP days proved it beyond a shadow of a doubt. Pence is just as traitorous as Ryan, Romney, Pelosi, Schumer, the entire lot of them on both sides.
Never trust Pence. Never trust Cruz. There are maybe 10 in the entire Congress that are somewhat trustworthy. The rest need to be primary out of office. No money, no support, nothing.
Maybe 10 who can be trusted in Congress…I’ve said that myself for a few years now.
There job isn’t anyone to trust in DC.
Scalise learned how to walk right after losing his ability to walk.
Rand learned how to talk but never do the walking after his ribs were broke.
Kemp learned to stay in line after a car his daughter frequents ended in a fiery event.
Remember you have to bend over and take it up through _____, as they murder everyone in their way and get away with it.
Vaccine for this virus- is working everyone up into a rage and PURGING . Why do you think pdjt hinted through movie lines from purge with his slogans?
I’m not that confident.
Devin Nunes and Jim Jordan are consistent good guys. Trump saw that and gave them both the same award he gave to Rush – the medal of freedom. The leadership held them back from convictions etc..
I will concentrate my contributions on candidates endorsed by the Trump PAC.
Concentrate on purge.
Yes and No actually. While it is very true that the GOPe “furnishes” the candidates that make VP.
Lets no dance around one critically important facet…
TRUMP NEEDED PENCE. Pence was the door that opened for evangelical voters.
Without pence, trump would not have won the election. This isn’t some theory either.
Point to a single other VP that could have shifted so many votes for Trump.
President Trump KNEW that by accepting Pence, he would win.
President Trump is a winner.
He needed the evangelical voters to roll out. Pence made that happen.
And set the evangelical vote aside, and Pence ALSO “vouches” for Trump to the political elite conservatives and lobby group across DC and the states! This cannot be stressed often enough.
An engima does NOT get nominated and win the Presidency because of luck. Yes voters were disgusted by Clinton….So there is THAT. But the reality is that much of the vote would depend on how the turnout from the evangelicals.
There was more than just a bit of hesitancy about Trump. He isn’t exactly well know as the church man. The older generation were wary and concerned.
Pence (for reasons he really is qualified for), satisfied the evangelicals to strongly support Trump..So they did.
Pence is a traitor for many reasons…MANY. His voting record in congress should have concerned voters. But for reasons I still do no completely understand, “we” voters seem to ignore the records of VP’s…
exhibit 1,284.568,483: Kamala!
tldr: President Trump certainly had other choices. Those other choices would not have resulted in his winning the election. It’s just that simple.
Yes. There were many here at the Treehouse who had faith in Pence because of Pence’s evangelical presentation.
I was doubtful after Pence sabotaged Flynn; after happening on Pence’s daughters visiting “The View” who did not attack her the way they would have attacked Ivanka or Melania. Pence made the North Koreans wary when Pence visited South Korea; there was talk of Pence sabotaging Trump’s peacemaking efforts. Kim JongUn could not trust Pence, and although Pence kept a poker face, my gut told me that Pence was not on my side, or on Trump’s.
But many here wanted to believe in Pence, and would have turned on Trump for not being “Christian” enough.
Pence performed extremely well in the debate against Kaine. I think a lot of people inclined to vote Trump but not quite sure, felt better after listening to the “steady and calm” Pence.
It’s seems a long time ago now, but it was very important then. I think MORE than evangelicals listened to that debate and thought, “If Trump can pick a deliberate, stolid, experienced governor like Pence, that suggests he CAN make solid decisions about a lot of things.”
I think they thought, “Well, Trump likes to be a showman when he’s out on the stump, but behind the scenes he’s a guy who uses all his serious business sense to pick a guy like Pence.”
When his hide as at stake, Pence comes alive. He can’t portray himself as weak then.
I’d bet he still believes he has a political career. He never went to ba for Trump if he didn’t benefit from it. When a fake scandal came about, Pence was nowhere to be found.
Agreed. The climate back then said Pence was needed to deliver Indiana and other like states.
People should have been awakened when he flip-flopped on the Religious Freedom issue in Indiana.
https://time.com/3765505/mike-pence-indiana-religious-freedom/
This was the one that raised the red flags
You took the words out my mouth. He is a self serving political creature.
bingo….
The Senate is the SWAMP!
I can’t think of any senators i trust! NOT ONE!
The whole Senate is compromised,they leverage and extort those folks first.
Everyone there is the enemy of the people!
I seem to recall Reagan wanting former NATO commander Al Hague (sp?) for his running mate in 1980. The RNC insisted on G H Bush. Bush was there to keep Reagan in line and subsequently went on to sabotage much of what Ron had accomplished.
I’ve heard Nancy never forgave GHB for that.
How’d that Simpson/mazolli thing working out?
Bush 41 was placed there to “control”
RENAULDUS MAXIMUS.
Just like pence was placed there to limit the success of PRESIDENT TRUMP.
And he did!
That is why we needed a new third party. Our own people should not be sabotaging our success.
Pence was picked by Manafort.
Do We Remember That Manafort Picked Pence? | Talking Points Memo
NOTE TO TREEPERS: It doesn’t look like it, but Guy Jordan’s post above is a hyperlink to the article.
Holy cow! I don’t recall ever being aware that Paul Manafort recommended / pushed Pence to DJT as Veep. Hindsight tells us that Manafort was bad news all around. The article even stated that DJT was “not comfortable” with Pence. Guess DJT had some good instincts, but his original choice of Chris Christie was not much better…also in hindsight.
Candidate Trump wanted Chris Christie as his Veep running mate, according to the article. Our Lord only knows how THAT would have turned out…..
I am not sure there is one, truly
People still love Cruz too!
I don’t understand it. At BB they still hammer you if you are critical of him. Then there is Sean Hannity always carrying the water for him to keep the delusion alive. All a RINO has to do is give him a call and he’ll have them on. Hannity is an idiot and a bore.
Well, JFK’s pick for VP literally killed him.
.
Hmmm.
October Surprise?
Our VSGPDJT was infected with the virus, while Pence was in charge of reining it in . . .
Truly wish that President Trump would have been able to get all the files released regarding JFK…might not be hearing quite so much from W these days if the information had come to light regarding how dirty his daddy was and how far back it went!!
Pence, like George HW, was “inserted” into the VP position to ensure that the person who actually gave a dam* about the American people ran up against a roadblock at every turn!!
Only one of many guesses.
Jared Kushner reportedly recommended Pence to Trump according to Wikipedia. If you can believe anything on Wikipedia any more.
nope.
sorry.
Ryan forced manafort. Mannie pushed earworm.
No, it was Roger Stone who recommended Manafort. There were at the time a tiny handful of people who knew how to cement delegates for Republicans; Manafort was one of them, and had done it for Reagan.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/04/12/donald-trump-paul-manafort-delegates-republican-convention/82887276/
Manafort succeeded at that task (he had ONE JOB) and then Trump cut the guy loose. He was/is dirty in the old school pol grease-palms way, not in the new school evil commie way.
Don’t trust Wiki. Most of the people who “win” the postings are very liberal or now, even progs.
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/16/us/politics/mike-pence-donald-trump-vice-president.html
Notice the usual RINO’s are cheering the selection of Pence in that article?
Nothing like 20/20 hindsight. From the article:
………National Republican leaders, including the Senate majority leader, Mitch McConnell, and House Speaker Paul D. Ryan, had pronounced Mr. Pence an excellent choice in advance of Mr. Trump’s announcement.
Had we fully understood what we know now, those two endorsements would have been an enormous red flag.
When i heard he had to invoke a personal policy so he was”never” ALONE with anyone from the opposite sex. Ever!
My question was what prompted that?
Sounded to me like a solution to a prior problem.
Instead of something noble.
Actually that is wise advise but I am not sold on Pence.
He is a traitor.
I remember the president say that he was the one who picked him that others told him not to pick him, but he found him to be so clean after a background check that he did.
To present himself as a leader In a leaderless swamp. . .
Purge
One string to pull is “who was against Stephen Miller?”
Pence himself leaked it to the press backing candidate Trump into a corner.
In Sundance we trust…all others bring data.
Sundance always brings the data, hence the trust 😉
Exactly.
Same reason i loved Rush!
Rush would tell you what a politician said, then play the politician saying it!
No room for spin.
Just the facts man.
I wonder now if the “insurance policy” was actually the “dirt” oboso doj/fbi had on pence?
Pedo pence
exactly-if Trump wins-use the “dirt” to blackmail pence….
PDJT “trusted” pence because of his extensive experience in the DC swamp-swamp/rnc rinos told President Trump pence was on Trumps MAGA Team
And pdjt protected pence. Why do I believe that? Because pdjt looked hopeful pence would do the Constitution on Jan 6.
I hear you !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Nice wall collection.
First thing I saw and thought, “Oh, I hope this is real!” ????????
I had to look hard to find the whiteboard. Optics is everything.
Like a tool board in the shed.
No doubt in my mind.
Thank you Sundance for saying it.
I wonder if he’s regretting “helping”. It seems all dumb Rino’s don’t think the left will do exactly as they say, and even worse.
I’m sick of so-called Christian’s telling us what is and is not acceptable “Christian” behavior.
I like Dave Ramsey, but if you look at why one of his personalities left the company last week, Chris Hogan, it shows why Dave didn’t use his platform to stump for Trump. Trump was the obvious pick that aligns with Dave’s general values, but I think his strong “Christian principles” clouded his judgment.
(Chris Hogan left because he had an affair and got a divorce in 2019. A former Ramsey employee was fired when she told Dave Ramsey that she was pregnant – problem she was not married – and was terminated based on the companies strict biblical principles for “pre-marital” sex. She filed a discrimination lawsuit and they were after Hogan’s personnel file since he had got a divorce and pretty much everyone knew he had an affair but was not terminated.
I have strong faith, but I don’t expect a Jesus-like figure to be elected as President eveytime but that is what I think some evangelicals are looking for despite their own shortcomings.
What’s really disturbing is Ramsey and those like him are saying that if you ever sin you can’t be forgiven or hold a job. Think about that woman – unwed, pregnant and because Ramsey is such a good “Christian” he took away her income and health insurance.
Personally, he’s always come across as a phony to me and a narcissist.
Where would any of us be eternity wise, if God didn’t forgive sinners via Jesus’ death on the Cross?
Christians don’t always give Christianity a good name…I know because I was one of those guys.
Just checked Ramsey’s website. Any “Christian” who sells ‘how to get out of debt books’ is suspect as a believer, to me at least. He wants to help people get out of debt by asking them to give him money for books on how to get out of debt? It does not compute.
Wish I had a down vote option. I found the Ramsey book I bought most valuable. Things I “knew” intellectually but didn’t really know how to live. Simple common sense is anything but common.
A lot of people have benefited greatly from his work. IMO every child ought have access to his books.
“Let him who has no sin cast the first stone.”
Dave Ramsey is boring radio and sucks.
“what is and is not acceptable “Christian” behavior.”
We have free will, so even Christians can behave badly. Even worse than some unbelievers.
The point I wanted to make, but do not have any links for, is that perhaps 5 years ago I heard of some “consultants” for hire to politicians.
The subject of their “consulting” was to teach politicians how to win the evangelical vote.
How to act, how to talk, how to fabricate a testimony, etc.
2 Corinthians 11:26 KJV
In journeyings often, in perils of waters, in perils of robbers, in perils by mine own countrymen, in perils by the heathen, in perils in the city, in perils in the wilderness, in perils in the sea,
in perils among false brethren;
Christ died on the cross, once, once, for all.
There is nothing Christian about putting yourself on the cross. Fight. Fight.
How do u fight? You make something of all the people talking now, cause they will be taken and dead soon. If anything sounds good, do it, so they don’t die for nothing.
My advice talk to everyone about the crimes until their blood boils. Work the entire country up. Numbers is the only way. Purge.
Pence was/is a weasel. I hope his political career is over. I care not what his religious beliefs are. I think he hides behind them. So pious he is! While he stabs his President and his voters in the back!
How does one who has faith and principles function in DC without compromising either? He can’t. He’s compromised. Like all the others.
Enjoying the show?
I’ve seen enough. Ready to purge?
It’s hard for many people to separate the message from the messenger. If “all truth is God’s truth” (Augustine), then even if Adolph Hitler spoke truth, it’s still true.
Rom 3:10, 23 in the modern vernacular is that we are all deplorables. Further, free-range abortion, celebrating gender dysphoria, anti-law and order, cancel culture, wokeism, victimhood ordination…none of these are endorsed by evangelicals so why support a political party that does? Even if you get personal and claim Trump is a lying, adulterous, braggart…do you find any relief in a JFK, Johnson, Clinton, or Obama? I think people see what they want to see–some sort of reinforcing cognitive bias and it’s sad that people have such strong allegiances to political party. Everyone should declare to be independent and stop feeding the beasts (political parties) who promote the swamp.
“I’m sick of so-called Christians telling us what is and is not acceptable “Christian” behavior.”
It’s God’s Word that tells Christians what Christian behavior is supposed to be. It’s fairly easy reading. And, Christians ARE supposed to call out the behavior of other Christians, according to God’s Word. It’s the non-believer who doesn’t have the authority to do so, according to God’s Word, whether you like it or not. I didn’t make the rules.
I hear ya, I was trying to convey it in a political sense. Someone, normally A or B, will be President of the United States after an election. You can stand and fight for A or B, the “good Christians” I’m talking about failed to support Trump because of some misguidance he said bad things or did some bad behavior………well how’s the JoeBama administration working out for their Christian values?
The Presidential Election isn’t about putting God or Jesus in the Oval Office, that’s the position that needs to be juxtaposed. Pence’s “good Christian” values prevented him from supporting the President after an obvious very highly suspicious elections and prevented him from standing up for the President while he was wrongfully accused, investigated and impeached twice. His “good Christian” values allowed him to stand silent while a coup was being attempted. Also, I now believe he set Flynn up – so his good “Christian values” allowed him to stand silent as an innocent man was railroaded.
That’s the type of Christian I sick of listening too. It’s all political theater if you don’t vehemently defend those who are wrongfully accused and you know the real truth.
Eric, Thank you for the clarification. I totally misunderstood what you said. So sorry.
Yes, I agree with what you have just posted. It is this type of Christian who is such a bad witness for Christ that they give the faith a bad wrap. Pence was a hypocritical, lukewarm Christian. Say one thing and do another. As I recently heard someone say: “It’s easy to be a Christian until you have to be.”
Pence repeatedly failed. We all fail, but Pence failed with forethought and intent. I sick of this type of Christian too. No wonder God spews lukewarm Christians out of His mouth!
Thanks for taking the time to clarify.
All of use mere mortals without exception are imperfect but that doesn’t mean you’d want a Clinton or worse in there that has a history of crime and dead bodies. Pence knew these investigations etc. were ridiculous against Trump and never said a word in his defense. He played the hypocritical holier than thou role, he thought would benefit him.
Thank you!
Maybe others prefer to be relative? What God shuns is those who call out the behavior of others when they are engaging in the same behavior is secret. As you already know that is called hypocrisy in secular terms.
Paul Ryan
And Cruz.
30 Pence told Benedict
Hold my Beer!
I thought he was a poor choice for vp
I wanted Newt instead
Trump chose Romney over Gingrich in 2012 & Pence over Gingrich in 2016.
Trump and Newt together was not a good mix. Newt can be all over the map when he’s trying to gain favor. I respect the man’s historical knowledge, respect how he understand the Hill works, but you can never trust him when he’s playing a big part on your team. HE WANTS TO BE THE QUARTERBACK. Period.
There are big gaps in Newt’s “integrity.”
Bingo
Will Judas find a tree
~with a high and sturdy branch?
A very warm place awaits.
~After Guantanamo
Who promoted Pence as VP after Trump won the nomination in 2016?
Jarred Kushner & Invanka liked Pence I recall.
Yeah, they would be impressed by him… . No surprise!
No. Paul Manafort.
See :
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/do-we-remember-that-manafort-pick-pence
Ryan. Negotiation with chris
Pence deserves all the credit. How wealthy is Mike Pence, I wonder.
More wealthy now, than he was before.
Bet on it.
Pence is a politician, so he was wealthy enough and even wealthier now.
I believe Pence and most of the GOP believed Trump would be removed from office before his first year was up and they helped to facilitate that by being a party to Russiagate.
Pence thought he’d be president sooner rather than later – it’s probably what they promised him.
Hence, he deep sixed Flynn, thereby protecting the spies in the deep state.
I had heard that Pence was behind these disasterous picks to lead certain positions before and then he led the CV team. When Birx and Fauci stormed into PDT’s office and demanded he NOT open the USA for Easter with these dire, terrible predictions based on an already discredited/disproven “model” from a UK guy, they SHOULD have been fired. How they KEPT getting it wrong AND publicly disputing PDT and stabbing him in the back and NOT get Fired shocked me.
I just had a feeling-a bad one-when it was down to Pence on Jan 6th that the final backstabbing would happen–and it did.
I never felt comfortable with Pence–he was just TOO rino/gopesque for me. He proved his mettle, wonder what his reward is now going to be?
Like Sundance says “Curious Cat is…………curious”
We knew. Pdjt knew . It was check mate.
Bioweapon turned up if pdjt did anything. So pdjt out promoted the vaccine to show ussssss that it meant nothing.
All pdjt could do was balances his family’s lives with light.purge is the only way. Purge won’t happen without you talking the everyone. That’s why they censored and cut comms.
Talk!!!!!! Talkmmkkmmmmm!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! In public
Wonder if Pence picked McMaster too?
Pence always defended Fauci and Birx.
There is a book, The Faith of Mike Pence. I met the woman who wrote it and she seemed a true woman of faith. She was given access to him. It would be interesting to know if the idea to write the book was hers alone or if she was approached to do it – and if so by whom and when.
He who loves his life will lose it. He who hates it will have eternity in heaven
Sunday passion
Who controlled/controls Pence?
I’ll bet a percentage of it traces to the RNC and the Chamber of Communism.
The Times of Israel: Analysis
As if….”Who was in charge of the transition team and also in charge of the COVID task force?”…this wasn’t enough to thoroughly hate what this man did, there’s something worse…..he took the Lord’s Name in vain, because that is what he did.
He stood in front of the entire country, the entire Christian community, including evangelicals, and claimed his strong faith in God. 30 Pence used God as his shield to sell himself to America and to evangelical Christians, who put President Trump in office.
He used God as His shield, his foremost attribute in his character. He used God, mocked God, was a “fake Christian” or, at best, what God Himself calls a “lukewarm” Christian that He spews out of His mouth (Rev 3:15) because a lukewarm Christian has one foot in the secular world and is useless to God in His Kingdom.
30 Pence will be SEVERELY chastised, disciplined by God for what he has done — from beginning to end. God will take vengeance on 30 Pence. God is faithful to His Word.
I hope I see it. I hope complicit Karen sees it too and she is held accountably by God for her complicit actions.
Make no mistake. These are apostate Christians and God considers them worse than the non-believers. They will suffer, deservedly so, and the whole family will suffer also.
In such scenarios I always turn to Gen 50:20. 30 Pence meant it for evil, but God meant it for good. God uses evil for good in His purpose and plans.
I am not taking up for Mike Pense or his wife. Why? Because I don’t know them.
What I do know is that everyone who is a Christian is an imperfect flawed individual. Many, in their own righteousness, give Christ a bad name. Been there done that myself.
God is just, He will separate the goats from the sheep.
Not if they defeat God. It appears they feel they have found a way, by their actions.
Beat GOD?
LOL!
Very well put…I’m tired of “I don’t judge” statements about Pence. You don’t have to judge…God said that people will tell you exactly who they are….all you have to do is watch them.
Pence is a nasty piece of demon-work. He made his claims of Christianity to blind people to his true self. I’m not judging him. He exposed himself. God is his judge.
ExACTLY. Well put also…we don’t have to judge. His actions were for all to see.
Goodness me you folks are utterly brilliant!
We are very,very grateful.
Cheers!
Amazing that PDJT did as well as he did, and I keep going back to poor General Flynn..set up by Pence.
It sure looks like it§,
GAME ON!
Pence is not worth a tuppence.
Ye shall know them by their fruits. His are rotten.
I always wondered about those envelopes that were in Mike’s beautiful wife Karen’s program at Timberwolf’s funeral.
Donald Trump knew back then…..I think.
The media never dissed on Pence. Never before, during or after his Vice Presidency. Why is that?
Because Pence was too busy giving them the nails to use on Mike Flynn’s coffin. ?
So maybe Florida cheated in the 2012 presidential primary ?
I remember how Gingrich was smoking it after he won N H & S C.
I was very sad that he did not win the nomination.
Anyway, Mike Pence is one weird person, is all I can say (for now). Mustang Medic has a lot to say though. Hope it ALL gets out.
Makes me sick to say this…the other side is better than our side in planning, strategy and looking for seams to attack. Us…we are out trying to make a living, playing nice etc becuase we were born that way and had solid foundations as stipulated by our parents.
Yes SD…Romney was a POS and would have won the election if he hadn’t been in on the fix in 2012. As suspected for a long time…there was a mole in the cabinet and that mole was Pence. With the Dims we know where they stand but the really disappointing thing is the gaslighting of solid conservatives by their own party.
There was no ‘other’ side until PDJT.
Its one system of Kleptocratic control over both wings of the uniparty. Basically its Good Cop vs Bad Cop for the Republican vs Democrat voting bases with each in side in disagreement as to which one is good and which one is bad. Now with electronic vote flipping they don’t even need to play the charade anymore.
But why did Sessions pick Rosenstein? And why did McConnell force in Barr? The traitors inside Trump’s camp were far more people than Pence. Sundance is right, a third party is the ugly, inevitable alternative.
Purge
A third party will never get off the ground and Trump knows that. Look at what they did to the Tea Party with endless audits? Look how well the Reform Party did and conditions out there now are far worse than those days. Today there is outright blackouts and censorship on news and it is in the open. They will not allow a third party – guaranteed.
Sundance, IYO , did Pence sabotage Flynn intentionally ? You didn’t mention Flynn in your article and that was a huge win for the Swamp, prevents Flynn from talking and denies good advice for Trump.
I suspect Pence did purposefully sabotage General Flynn. Flynn was Trump’s greatest ally. An insider who knew “all” and was a very serious threat to the deep state.
Yes it sure looks that way. PDJT was mostly surrounded by Traitors on day one, who then proceeded to methodically take out the few true Patriots around him, like Gen Flynn.
“Who was it that recommended: Dan Coats (ODNI), Michael Atkinson (ICIG), James Mattis (DoD), Dana Boente (NSD then FBI counsel). ”
It wan’t just Pence on Mattis. A lot of commenters here highly recommended Mattis. In fact, promoted him as the greatest American Patriot and General who ever lived, almost a god, if not the God. It was a canceling offense to take his Holy Name in vain.
A lot of the commentators use to say, and many probably still do, good things about that “straight shooter” James Comey.
If the MSM public relations firms and their agents are drooling over someone, it’s best to steer as far away as possible from that person.
General Sad Dog Fat Ass Mattis is profiting in China with the Cohen Group. In his free time he watches film of the 1976 Tampa Bay Buccaneers and their 0-14 season because losing is all that James knows.
Where is he now? he is here….
https://www.heritage.org/staff/mike-pence
Pence’s bio is missing “backstabber” and “contributing member of the Destroy our Constitutional Republic Club.”
Heritage….keeping 1988 corporate globalist “conservative values” alive.
Q and antifa. If you want to know what the STATE is most afraid of us doing it’s what those 2 are implicated for.
Antifa burns court houses down ( our court no longer serve us, but we already checked condemned antifa for that so we can’t. See the beauty of public relation firms brainstorming how to check mate you)
I could give a million examples. But that one is enough for u to get the point.
Voting is no longer voting. Courts are no longer courts. Representatives are no longer representatives. Laws are no longer laws. Freedom is no longer free. Time to earn it.
So maybe this sheds new light on pence’s comments that were counter to General Flynn’s. did pence deliberately set General Flynn up?
Pence and Fauci chose actions that killed a million people.
Thank you Sundance & team! As usual over the target, even though it was hard to believe in the beginning.
Bush II.
I figured Pence for a snake when my rabid dem BIL called him “reasonable” a few years ago. That’s the closest he’s ever come to paying a complement to a republican.
The ultimate Judas!
Don’t forget…Peter Navarro called Pence a traitor (due to his not extending the confirming of electors until after a 10 day investigation could be done in the targeted states).
Patrick Byrne said that Pence was on board with the 10-day investigation as of Jan. 5th. Then, the morning of the 6th, he told PDJT he was not going to do it. That is why PDJT was an hour late to speak at the rally. They were in a heated argument over it.
Pence is dead to me.
I’d believe Navarro over Pence in a heartbeat.
Another data point :
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-dismantles-voter-fraud-commission-heres-what-the-controversial-group-did
“Trump created the commission through an executive order in May. It was expected to investigate instances of alleged voter fraud in the 2016 election. Vice President Mike Pence chaired the commission with Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach serving as its vice chair. Maine Secretary of State Matthew Dunlap, a Democrat on the commission, sued the group in federal court. He alleged, in part, that it violated federal law by refusing to provide him documents made available to other members. Dunlap also blamed Kobach and his allies for “stonewalling” progress on the commission.
“White House press secretary Sarah Sanders said Trump signed an executive order to dismantle the commission “rather than engage in endless legal battles at taxpayer expense.” She said the Department of Homeland Security has been asked to review the group’s initial findings and “determine [the] next course of action.” In his declaration, Herndon said “state voter data will not be transferred to or accessed or utilized by” DHS, Politico noted. Kobach called the disbanding of the commission a “tactical change” and said DHS can still pursue its own probe into election fraud in a quicker manner.”
Another:
https://nationalfile.com/pence-dedicates-only-24-seconds-in-30-minute-speech-to-election-integrity-fighting-for-trump/
‘Pence Dedicates Only 24 Seconds of 30 Minute Speech to Election Integrity, Fighting for Trump —
Pence spent 24 seconds of his 30 minute speech discussing the fight for election integrity. That’s 1.3% of his total speaking time.’
“Vice President Mike Pence spent 24 seconds of his 30 minute speech at TPUSA’s Florida conference discussing the integrity of the 2020 election.”
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More than a few of us here have been pensive regarding Pence for quite some time.
What question needs to be answered is:
You’ve gotten us to this point, Pence; what was the end game you hoped would play out, and how?
Did you think you were going to ride in and save the country?
Were you hoping that Trump’s second impeachment would catapult you into the White House?
Or, are you allowing Biden to take us to the dump, and then use the Corona virus hoax— ‘explained’ as a device used to show the citizens of this country that their government is trying to subvert us, and you being the hero leading us out of it?
You have no win, Pence.
Confess, for the hope of salvation for your soul.
yikes!
is that CTH command central? ?????
It’s perfect if it is!!!
Why Dementia Joe HAD to be installed:
Mass Federalization: How Washington Is Bailing Out Failed States [and Cities], Decapitating Competitive Ones, & Ending America As You Knew It – 22 Mar 2021
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/mass-federalization-how-washington-bailing-out-failed-states-decapitating-competitive
An astonishingly sweeping, radical movement to level cities and states is underway, propping up the failures and pounding down those that have been successful. Most everything is being federalized. The role of cities and states as we have known them – as laboratories of democracy – is being eviscerated. It’s being financed by both the United States Treasury and the Federal Reserve bank, which are now joined at the hip in fiscal profligacy.
Much of it is proceeding under the false labels of pandemic relief and fiscal stimulus. It’s happening at such a rapid pace that the paper of record for government overreach, The Washington Post, fears that “the sheer volume of new programs threatens to swamp federal agencies.”
It’s a fundamental and historic remake of America, though its impact hasn’t yet come close to sinking in. Some of the numbers that follow seem beyond belief, but they are real. If claiming that pending legislation will destroy America as you know it seems like exaggeration, read on to see what its supporters say, because it’s their commentary that is most revealing.
Pence is the Republican Party. The Republican Party is Pence. Infrastructure and all.
Hmm.. nice picture… 😉
Paul Ryan. This is not a question but a statement. Ryan recommended Pence
Now Ryan subverts Fox News. The rulers of the country are not named Biden or Kamala, McConnell or Pelosi. As George Carlin said “It’s a big club, and you’re not in it”.
I suspected pence from the beginning! But what he did to General Flynn confirmed it for me. I loved when President Trump called him the coward he is!!! He earned his place in the 9th circle of h-ll right along Judas w Brutus!!!
When Sessions was acting really screwy with Pence seemly behind him, I started looking at Pence differently.
That is what the sad part is about all of this, it has been really hard to tag the players…
H3LL I think I have some I am not sure of, with one in particular I pray I am not wrong on.
Your wall art brings a tear to my eye. Marvelous!
Sundance is an amazing writer. The stories are always eye opening and even inspiring. But this one— is a jaw dropper!! well done! The plot is thicker than any of us knew
Damn Sundance—your white board looks like my word.. I spend almost a whole day trying to get some of it separated out in more specific categories. I have so many word documents full of stuff. I have a 3rd lap top that is like 10 or more years old that has stuff that back from 2008 or prior. Think some of the stuff on my desk top I did transfer.
Strangely when some of it starts to bug at me and I can’t make sense I call them my “Out to Lunch” stuff.
I have no excuse for being naïve so long, but do believe that 2008 was when I awoke big time. In 2008 I and others watched as web site after web site got white washed.( Wrights Church Creed and Black Panther were two that come to mind, which I saw prior to their white washing) Hey prior to 2008 I didn’t even realize that stuff on internet could just disappear over night or get white washed. That is the reason I started using word for storing the crazy stuff. It wasn’t until later that I learned that screen shots were often needed too.
Thank You Sundance…I do believe you have helped us in so many many ways.
Pence was likely closest, followed by Reince Priebus who had Paul Ryan likely whispering in his ear, along with Burger Boy Christie.
Snakes. Every one of them.
Yes Pence did set Pence up. I wanted to believe it was a foolish mistake. Now I think we can rest assured he did his this with purposeful intent to destroy Flynn, and his family.
This just shows how evil can wear a nice even respectful face. Pence, you are evil as the rest.
Set up Flynn