During senate impeachment rules processes and parliamentary proceedings today, Senator Rand Paul proposed a smart point of order requiring a senate vote on dismissing the impeachment case against President Trump. Essentially this dismissal vote will reflect the baseline, worst case, final outcome, vote of any impeachment trial.
The Senate then took up a motion to table the dismissal point of order. The motion to table passed 55-45; meaning 55 senators want to impeach President Donald Trump and 45 senators voted to dismiss the entire case:
The good news is this will represent the worst case scenario on the final impeachment vote 55 yes / 45 nay. The impeachment will definitely fail in February, and President Trump now knows the disposition of the final outcome. [Though it could get better]
The bad news is 5 republican senators just voted to impeach President Trump. They are: Susan Collins (Maine), Lisa Murkowski (Alaska), Mitt Romney (Utah), Ben Sasse (Nebraska), and Pat Toomey (Pennsylvania).
Murkowski and Toomey are both up for reelection in 2022. However, Pat Toomey has indicated he is not running for reelection. So the most immediate 2022 target should be on Lisa Murkowski of Alaska.
Coming for you Senator Murkowski !
Thank you Senator Rand Paul !
No surprises here but I wonder if Gov Palin can still see Lisa Murkowski’s house ….
Team Trump now must move to scotus to argue the Senate trial of a private citizen is unconstitutional. Roberts gave two key tells
1 He will not preside. U know the swamp had to be lobbying him to attend and give it legitimacy. He refused.
2- Roberts rejected the CREW emoluments case against Trump. He claims now that Trump is out of office, the issue is moot.
The scotus has wiggle room to say that Trumps 1st, 4th, and 5th amendment right are being violated. And that this action is a bill of attainder.
Given the internal polling, it appears Mitch may want to drop this whole thing. His anti-Trump 1-6 speech has backfired.
There is something weird about all of this.
Only THE Potus (sitting potus) can be impeached.
Effectively, the US Senate just admitted they recognize PDJT … to be the sitting POTUS.
Nope. Worse. They admitted that a former President and private citizen can be impeached and tried in the Senate.
I agree with this. They are admitting that Pres. Trump won, and are trying to ram through this impeachment to keep him from a) regaining power when they run out of ways to cover up the fraud or b) running in 2024 and destroying the election fraud so badly that the Democrats literally cannot print enough fake ballots to overcome the landslide.
The shampeachment is an admission that Pres. Trump won.
Dominion supplies those printing presses, In Georgia, they were in separate warehouses. When the counting center ordered up more Biden Ballots they ran them off, then trucked them over in food delivery trucks. Two days later a shredding truck showed up to remove the separated Trump ballots.
….they are afraid of him ..even not officially in WH( is WH lock up ??) they should be….when fireworks begin…..
When it is proved that the Nov. 3 election was rigged, Biden and the Camal will be tossed out to the dogs. If Trump is impeached, he cannot resume as president so that will make the turncoat Mike Pence president. Biden is busy signing everything coming over his desk, with a camel lurking over his shoulder, so when he leaves it will all be blamed on him and Pence will pardon Both Joe and Hunter as their reward. Then Pelosi can retire knowing she played a huge part in destroying the United States of America, the world’s last hope.
No the election is final. Congress can impeach them, but won’t. If they did, it would follow line of succession…Pelosi, etc
Backfired is an understatement. They have created a rage monster all across this country.
I still can’t sit in front of my computer and type about the fraud and the GOP’s total betrayal of its voters without having to delete cuss after cuss after f-bomb after f-bomb.
And I will go to my grave wishing the people who went into the Capitol had refused to leave. And that while in D.C. they had visited DOJ and FBI as well as SCOTUS.
Given that the DOJ was on the way to the Capitol from the rally/peaceful and patriotic protest at the Ellipse/Washington Monument, there was a group standing out front of the DOJ building chanting “DO YOUR JOB!” loudly and incessantly.
Some walking stopped and/or joined in as they passed.
Windows were cracked on some floors, but someone suggested no one but the cleaning people were probably inside.
Even so, that many people chanting was a powerful and beautiful thing.
Palin would have a hard time beating Lisa as Lisa has her father’s machine in operation in AK.
Best thing to do to beat her is get dirt on her, something along the lines of her skimming money from Alaskans.
You have to hit her hard, use the brass knuckles. It’s the only way to approach getting rid of her.
It’s not enough that she’s anti-Trump. She gets a lot of money from donors far and wide.
Whoever runs against her has to use something showing she rips off Alaskans and uses the dem Party for protection.
Maybe this method?
https://www.opensecrets.org/search?q=murkowski
Murkowsky was already beaten in the primary by a Tea Party candidate; then she ran as a write in and won with Democrats voting for her. Since then, the guy from the Tea Party ran as a Libertarian and did quite well.
Don’t need dirt on her; just point out she’s a Democrat.
As TL Howard provided above, if Murk has her old man’s machine in place, she will be difficult to beat. In addition to the AK machine, the NRSC and McConnell’s national machine will be in place to preserve the Establishment structure. Even dirt would not change her odds that much (IMO).
It is more difficult to beat a Trump endorsement verses any machine. (Dominion excluded).
Senator Murkowski had that when Joe Miller beat her in 2010.
Now it’s several MAGA betrayals later and there is that awesome picture of Murkowski practically wetting herself while Feinstein glares at her.
Murkowski is currently 63, retirement may be looking pretty good to her right about now.
When Murkowski went to the Senate to replace her dad in 2002, she said she would only do 20 years there. Many Alaskans strongly suspect she will run for governor in 2022 (God help us!). Pointing out that she is actually a Democrat won’t make much difference for either office; Anchorage has become a deep blue city, and contains about half of the entire population of the state. The common wisdom here is that “as goes Anchorage, so goes Alaska.”
She voted against Kavanaugh and for impeachment. How can she have a future?
As for Palin, I’m not an Alaskan so perhaps one will chime in, but as much as the press mistreated Sarah and her family, as the months and years after the election passed, I think they might have felt, maybe rightly, maybe not, that some in the Palin family sought publicity and that might not have felt right to them.
All the high-publicity chaos in the Palin family over the last 12 years has left a bad taste for Sarah in the mouths of many Alaskans. The persistent (and false) idea that “she’s a quitter!” for stepping down from the governorship in 2009 is deeply entrenched here. Doesn’t matter that she had little choice and was facing personal financial ruin and the immobilization of State government due to frivolous liberal ethics complaints. Sarah was an excellent and beloved governor until she was tapped by McCain for the 2008 VP nomination. I’m not confident she would be elected to a State-wide office if she ran for one now. But I also doubt she would put herself in that firing line again.
“Palin would have a hard time beating Lisa as Lisa has her father’s machine in operation in AK.”
Maybe
Way back, Frank Murkowski, resigned from the US Senate to run for Governor of AK. Once in office as Governor he appointed his daughter, Lisa, to his vacant Senate seat. When Frank ran for a second term as Governor he finished THIRD in the Republican primary, ultimately losing to DRUMROLL Please
Sarah Palin
The Murkowski’s are not necessarily invincible.
As we have seen, Murkowski can lose the Republican primary, yet win as an independent candidate.
For Palin to replace her, the Alaska Legislature has to enact a Sore Loser law.
If you lose your primary, you cannot run on a different ticket.
Unfortunately, since 2006 when Sarah beat Frank for Governor, Anchorage has turned deep blue. With half the population of Alaska in the Anchorage Bowl, the state has gone from bright red to pink to trending purple. If we were truly still a red state, Lisa wouldn’t have a chance. I will do all I can to prevent her re-election, but we need a candidate with statewide name recognition to beat her. Nobody comes immediately to mind. As I said in a comment above, I don’t think Sarah is willing to stand up for it, and who can blame her? The mockingbird media would have a frenzy.
I’ll bet Gov. Palin can see it now, better than ever!
The same ol’ traitors show up in the DemonRAT column at every critical vote. Susan Leftwing Collins, Lisa Murky Politics Murkowski, Mittens RINO Romney, Bens Asse, and Pat “The Grifter” Toomey.
One wonders how long vote fraud has been going on in their states…..!
“The bad news is 5 republican senators just voted to impeach President Trump. They are: Susan Collins (Maine), Lisa Murkowski (Alaska), Mitt Romney (Utah), Ben Sasse (Nebraska), and Pat Toomey (Pennsylvania).” –Sunndance
The GOOD NEWS is that going forward they have self-destroyed their political careers.
Lisa Mitt and Pat are serving their last terms. They are finished. Romney bumkissers have convinced him that he is the standard bearer and he has deluded himself into thinking he could be President just like sleepy Joe.
I don’t believe for a minute that Romney will run for POTUS.. He didn’t want to do it the last time.
You can be sure that Mitch is already searching for his hand-picked replacements.
Romney already voted to impeach last time based on no evidence, so his stance is no surprise. The other names come as no surprise either.
Toomey doesn’t care. I have been writing him for two years regarding his backstabbing the voters (he pretended he was a conservative when he ran) and all I get are infuriating responses. He just wants to be loved by the media and Big Tech and the democrats. He cares not a wit what conservatives think of him.
Same with Murkowski. BS responses. Infuriating.
Sasse was just re-elected, having waited until after the primary to savage Trump and curry favor with Democrat voters. For a guy who never fails to flaunt his intellect, he has little grasp of Constitutional realities (actually, he just hates Trump and hopes to toady his way into a cushy government something, should he be held to his promise not to run for a third term).
Toomey is a tool of the Kochs–no surprise there. (He knows who butters his bread; once bought, he stays bought.)
Can Romney , and the bad ass be recalled? They are both like a fatal cancer.
Your car can be recalled, your members of congress cannot.
As a conservative keystone stater who has to grit his teeth and hang his head in shame whenever the grifter toomey’s name comes up – I can tell you that voter fraud/intimidation/corruption in my home state of PA has been going on WAY longer than most people realize. And that’s just the tip of the iceberg.
BOTH parties are in on it – we have the dubious distinction of being one of the few states in the union to have speakers of the house of both parties doing time in jail for corruption. And you can bet your every bottom dollar the speakers are just the ones who happened to get caught…..
How long have computers been used to count votes?
Run Sarah Run
Yes!!!!
AMEN.
So that is 55 senators who are either traitors to the Constitution or ignorant of the Constitution. Either way they are unqualified to sit in the Senate.
Murkowski will drop out before 2022. If not she will get kicked out. She’s gone either way.
Or, she switches party and gets all the campaign money she needs from Cryin’ Chuck. This is my guess.
She would be treated the same as Specter when he switched parties. She’ll get used for her vote then when election time comes around she’ll get thrown to the wolves in favor of a life long fellow traveler.
As a PA resident, the name Alren Specter makes me want to puke. I had hoped to forget his name.
the man of the magic bullit
She would lose her seniority on senate committees. Mitch let her keep that when she said she’d caucus with the GOP.
Specter was told by Reid that he’d keep seniority, but when he switched, Reid said, “Oh, that was just my personal view. The whole Dem caucus has to vote.” And no one would let Specter cut in line. So Specter had no seniority on any committee. Murkowski knows better than to trust Schumer’s word on anything.
I don’t know, she has been doing Chuck’s bidding quite frequently.
hmmmm. She seems like a clinger so far.
Had tons of $$$$$$ for her write-in miracle when she got primaried by Joe Miller…
Needs to be kicked to the curb.
She can run as a Democrat. Schumer has always wanted her to switch.
That is why we have to do the dirty on her now.
Puzzled, we can sure hope so, but I don’t have a lot of faith in that regard. Lisa LOVES the power she’s wielding as the turncoat being courted by the liberals.
Our “esteemed” Senator Toomey is worthless. The guy has NEVER accomplished anything in his 10 years in US Senate. He speaks like a “Conservative” when he runs but sure in hell votes with DC Establishment once he gets in.
State Sen. Doug Mastriano for Governor of PA!
I like him too. but he is not very experienced. I’m sure there will be a lot of people running for PA governor. The CEO of Independence Blue Cross just announced. A guy, I can’t remember his name, a County Commissioner of Montgomery Co is running.
Not surprised
Just what we need an other CEO from a pharma/medical company that is going to look out for us little guys as medical cost go thru the roof.. epic pen. Anyone..
Mastriano was a Colonel in The US Army and Commanded a tank battalion in Iraq and Afghanistan. I think that is more than most elected officials.
Almost too high a rank to be trusted. But probably not.
The rinos in PA are trying to push a Carbon Tax lobbyist Ryan Costello. They really are not very bright at all. Mastriano would be good. Some other good options may be Scott Perry. I recall hearing that he fought hard with President Trump for election integrity.
And his staff is the same way. Call and try and leave a message and they argue with you.
Exactly my experience with Toomey’s staff. Infuriating.
Who, by the way are “essential” and never lost a paycheck. But defended sending money to foreign countries while PA residents got shut down businesses and crumbs.
Watch out for weakling Ryan Costello ( was PA CD6 Republican congressman). He dropped out in 2018 (didn’t like Trump) to hand the reins over to baby witch Democrat Chrissy Houlihan. The both of them might be running for Toomey’s seat it 2022.
sarah palin.
PLEASE.
AND.
THANK.
YOU.
The constitution is clear about the need for 2/3 vote for removal. However, Democrats will argue that they only need a simply majority to disqualify Trump from running for office again.
^^^^^THIS^^^^^
This is exactly why they are doing it.
If the Biden(Rice) regime works their magic on the economy, much like Obama did during his eight years, the electoral prospects for RINO’s and Democrats will be rather dim in two years.
I don’t get why it’s bad news that some GOP Senators are going on record asking to be primary’d. It’s also unclear without Roberts whether it needs to be 2/3 of those voting, or 2/3 of 100.
Thank you Sundance for the updates. I really appreciate your dedication.
55 Senators voted to violate the Constitution, so they will now obey the 2/3 needed to convict? The Chief Justice isn’t attending the scam but that doesn’t deter them. A Majority vote to disqualify Trump from future office is coming, Of Course it will be UnConstitutional but We can “vote” them Out in 2022 and 2024 using Dominion Voting Machines!!! Does No One Grasp How Communists Operate. The Bolsheviks were a Minority in Russia, But they Won. Keep Voting by all means, 2020 was just a one time “fluke”, Comrades.
…only if our side does the counting…and you have seen traitor Republicans doing the fraud in 2020…where do you get an “honest” count of your fraudulent votes?
I don’t think you have thought this through…
Need to get folks raising hell about HR 1. Will codify all the fraudulent processes and tactics used in 2020 and put house in control of elections!
Murkowski may be harder than beat than you think, if we get a repeat.
She can be beat in a primary. We’ve proven that before. However, unless Repubs can recruit a strong candidate with almost total Repub support she will likely run a write in campaign again and win with a combination of partial repub support and strong democrat support. Just like before.
So recruitment is key. Any strong Republicans (who are at least maga friendly at most, a few steps better than Murkowski at the least) in that state who can
carry that torch?
If my memory serves me correctly..
Murkowski won by late arriving votes from Eskimo villages.. they were reported as irregular but nothing was done..
Surprise Surprise.. the democratic play book..
MAGA
I don’t understand why people are talking about elections. The fraud that happened on Nov 4th 2020 proved they are worthless. If the Dems can rig the POTUS election, they surely can rig a state senate election.
How anyone can honestly believe in free and fair elections in the United States after Nov 4, 2020 is beyond me.
Fool me once…
Sorry to disagree..
The Nov 4th election illuminated the deep corruption throughout the system..
Remember the Gov officials saying.. step by step.
1. There was no corruption..
2. There was some isolated cases of corruption.
3, there was some corruption but it was not widespread
4. There was corruption but it did not change the outcome of the election..
Today.. we can’t talk about corruption and you may not look into it.
Yes we came a long way in this election.. we see who the enemy is..the Uniparty.
MAGA
Republicans drove the getaway car.
The FIB and Biden’s DOJ will surely “investigate” and “prosecute” the wrongdoers!!!
Right, Comrade???
That candidate needs to get the tribal support away from her.
Exactly. Lisa is well-loved in the Native villages. She loves to show up wearing a <i>kuspuk</i>. And lots of fur. Helps to hide her anorectic appearance.
Hmmm. *Kuspuk* was supposed to be in italics. Wonder why that didn’t work…
Troublemaker, we do have strong Republicans who could do the job well and support the MAGA agenda. Our Kenai Peninsula Borough Mayor Charlie Pierce is one. Our state senator Peter Micciche (mi-CHICK-key) is another. Peter has just been elected President of the state senate. The problem is statewide name recognition, and the cost and time required to travel to the 100+ far-flung villages in the state to acquire it. It costs a fortune to run a statewide campaign in Alaska.
As the song says, “He’s making a list and checking it twice”
Vote those Five out.
Why wait to vote them out? Recall NOW!!
No recall of federal officeholders.
Vote?
So that pesky CIA problem has been solved?
Sarah Palin do you See 2022 from your House?
After Palin appeared on “The Masked Singer” show dressed as a furry and rapping to “Baby Got Back,” she’d have a hard time being taken seriously.
Maybe in an uptight NE state, but not Alaska.
According to the demonRAT playbook and rules, now it should just depend on what she identified as that day.
(does it have to be an entire day? /sarc)
“dressed as a furry”
Everyone with a fur fetish would have no problem with that.
All those with a few functioning brain cells and their critical thinking skills intact would recognize that is just a Hollyweird show and she was wearing a costume for it.
I do not watch things like that; however, I am assuming that she doing some moves that exhibit good flexibility and coordination.
More bonus points for her.
She shouldn’t be doing hollyweird shows; she should be out there raising funds for 2022 MAGA candidates. She does have to act seriously if she wants to be taken seriously. She hasn’t held public office for a decade, so has to get back on the political stump now.
I think her going on that fluffy, lightweight show is a signal from her that she is out of politics. And I see no reason to judge her harshly for not getting back in. I would have voted for her against Obama (I am on record saying she was “the best man for the job” then), but when she didn’t run, I thought well of her for that, too; I sincerely thought she was too good to have to put up with what the Insane left would throw at her. And what Trump has gone through only confirms that concern of mine. With Obama, you can see the high crimes coming a mile away, as it were. Yet they keep coming, thick and fast, which is characteristic of the Community Organizer Par Excellence; dedicted criminal, all the way down.
So Donald Trump shouldnt have been on W.W.E. wrestling Vince McMahon and shaving his head in front of a live audience?
She personally campaigned in Georgia for Perdue and Loeffler.
She’s in the game.
Ain’t ya ever seen SNL
Watch Donald Trump’s 2004 ‘SNL’ Skit That’s Been Missing from Show’s DVD – Bing video
Hate the narration /intention.
~Enjoy the skits…. the man!
SNL
The Prince and the Plumber skit
Rand Paul & McConnell think they are showing us their defense of President Trump. All that big talk against him a few weeks ago. They see the realty of going against President Trump. But we remember you voted to certify fraudulent votes.
Paul likes putting on pointless shows. But when push comes to shove, Paul buckles to Cocaine Mitch and toes the line.
This vote though wasn’t pointless. It clearly demonstrates the futility of this impeachment. But Nancy, Chuck and Mitch are dead set on smearing Trump. Always have been. Never forget that Ryan and Mitch were fully in on, and gave full approval to spend Trump’s Presidency using Hillary’s lies to try and destroy Trump.
Senate Intelligence Committee collusion and sedition, not without Mitch’s approval. False charges against Devin Nunes. Not without Ryan’s approval. Imagine what would have been if Nunes were allowed to destroy the false accusations before they could appoint Mueller. Imagine what would have happened if the Senate had worked with the President on his agenda? No Speaker Pelosi. No Impeachment. Trump reelected. America truly great again.
But this vote also shows the power breakdown in the Senate. The dems can’t get to 60 even with the typical losers joining in. Mitch, of course, has known this, and relying on a couple Dems to protect the filibuster, is moving to ‘share’ power.
Reminds me of the Royal Court of Louis XVI of France, that ended in a Jacobin (Tyrannical Genocide) Disaster. Marxist democRats are Jacobins, they are Insane, and will eat their own while destroying what’s left of our forlorn republic.
As an aside, Our forefathers would never have allowed this charade to proceed this far, but WE aren’t the same people that preceded us. Just a fact of Empires in decline.
Was Rand Paul’s getting this vote ultimately merely an attempt to rehabilitate his own image, and that of the anti-Trump Republicans?
Your comment is a great reminder of the worst, critical moves made against President Trump…But you are confusing Paul Ryan with Rand Paul, by dragging Ryan in (you confused me, any way).
“Senate Intelligence Committee collusion and sedition, not without Mitch’s approval. False charges against Devin Nunes. Not without Ryan’s approval.”
This!!
The Turtle’s Fab Five strikes again.
I only see upsides, however. They’re all snakes who are on record as voting to impeach a President who won over 70,000,000 votes as their party’s candidate. And the fact that only five “Republicans” voted to impeach means:
A) That is the limit of Turtle’s hardcore cabal.
B) The Turtle blinked, suggesting he feels his position as the Senate wheeler-and-dealer, is insecure.
C) The Turtle decided to send a warning shot, not a political kill shot, on the basis that he believes Trump and Trumpism has a viable political future which needs to be factored into his political machinations. Perhaps that has something to do with the rumors Trump was tabling the “3rd Party” option.”
The Repubs are Already the 3rd Party. But Voting is no longer a viable option, imo
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Turtle DID NOT blink. He voted with the other 5.
I would caution that any R inclined to stab DJT in the back later in this process could always say, “I only voted not to TABLE to motion to dismiss. I thought it deserved a vote. I expressed no opinion on the merits.”
Be wary.
Of course, “I was just following orders…” is closer.
The constitution is clear about the need for 2/3 vote for removal. However, there is a good chance Dems will argue that they only need a simple majority to disqualify Trump from running for office again.
will never happen
I am including a link below to an annotated Constitution maintained by Cornell Law School. The page includes discussion about removal and disqualification.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution-conan/article-2/section-4/impeachment
My take is that voting to prevent holding future office is only valid after impeachment.
Since he is no longer in office, he cannot be impeached, ergo, there can be no VALID vote for disqualification from holding office in the future.
The stage is being set and Trump should try to have this entire trial shut down. I know there is value in his team laying out the case but Dems will not care about facts. If they can disqualify him with a simple majority vote, they will.
Just remember the first impeachment trial..
nadler gaveled down any negative comment..
That and long winded false Narative speech followed by ..”reclaiming my time”…
Also remember Rodger Stone.. he had a gag order placed on him by the judge.. no nothing fair to be gained.. and MSM will cook the commentary any way they want…
MAGA
You may be forgetting that Chuckie “6 Ways from Sunday” Schemer is in charge. I wouldn’t put anything past the DemonRATS.
How will they be able to argue they want to keep him from running for office again if they are not able to convict him in the trial? Self-serving isn’t it as they are clearly afraid to run against him unless, of course, they have license to cheat? Pipe dreams IMO.
That would look very much like a bill of attainder.
And I wonder if that is exactly what Mitch and Chucky have in mind–to have a simple majority vote to disqualify PT from holding any office regardless of how the “impeachment” vote goes????
One would think that if the vote is nay on impeachment that they would/could not bring up the other vote, but we’ve seen they pretty much do what they want anyway.
Little hard to imagine the Senate can legally object to a private citizen from running for federal office without legal due process..
Let’s face it.. the mayor of DC was convivicted of bribery..and drug charges .. removed from office.. served time in prison. And is now a sitting member of the house..
You can’t make this up.. but then he does fit right in with all the democrats..
MAGA
Al Cee Hastings empeached Judge now in the House of Representatives
There probably wasn’t a second vote barring him from holding future office, no doubt because they never imagined he’d be so brazen as to run, and the voters would be so lacking in standards that they’d elect him.
In Hastings case, the Senate didn’t vote on whether or not to bar him from holding office in the future though.
Mitch is calculating enough to see that now that Trump is not starting a third party, Trump will be a big factor in 2022. Both Mitch and McCarthy want the MAGA voters then.
Mitch is not whipping the vote for Trump, but he has sent signals with this vote that as far as he’s concerned impeachment is a dead issue, and any senator up in 2022 who votes for it, does so at his or her own risk.
Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States: but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law.
It doesn’t say “or”. They have to vote to remove him from office in order to have the option to keep him from running for office. Even our unreliable Supreme Court couldn’t disagree with that.
2/3rd to convict…he won’t be convicted, so they can’t get to the punishment phase.
“Dems will argue that they only need a simple majority to disqualify Trump from running for office again.”
Supremes should have a field day with this. If they support and Rs somehow get control of Congress, there won’t be any DS eligible to run for dog catcher!
The Constitution makes it clear that disqualification is an optional punishment for someone who has been convicted of impeachment charges.
How is it that Alcee Hastings was impeached and then re-elected to Congress?
Alcee Hastings was a federal judge at the time, not a congressman.
That’s only after impeachment. He can’t be disqualified from holding office again unless he is impeached. And arguably that only applies to appointed office, not elected office. Remember Alcee Hastings who was impeached and removed from a federal judgeship only to be elected to the House.
And all before any evidence is presented. Equal Justice Under the Law (not).
The first five prime suspects. Time to send them and their TDS to the dust bin of history!
The good news is we have more confirmation about 5 senators that need to be removed from the political gene pool.
But they are still referring to him as:
“Donald J Trump –
President of the United States ”
Go to 1:02:16 and have a listen
https://www.c-span.org/video/?508294-2/senate-impeachment-trial-president-trump&live==&vod
I think it should read that five soon to be former GOP senators voted to impeach.
Be careful Alaska … braindead will move illegals into your state to vote for Murkowski.
Is there a shortage of the deceased up there? They vote (D) in every election.
Only in Anchorage, but that’s half of our population.
It’s theater. All of it. Bad theater. Wasting precious time and money on this travesty, rather than doing the People’s business.
Hey, they say they’ll get around to Covid relief some time in March. Even brain dead Rats have to appreciated getting kicked in the nuts.
The senate haz a sad because they can’t fundraise off the impeachment. The votes reveal it is all simply for show.
Tip of the hat to Senator Paul. He’ll be sleeping on the sofa for a while.
Just need to give 2 thumbs up on Alaska – I have long wanted to live in that beautiful state of ours. If I didn’t want to live close to my children, I would have been there years ago.
Hope you at least come to visit, starlyn! It is truly beautiful here, and mostly red if you stay away from Anchorage. Every American should see Alaska at least once in their lives. And not just from a cruise ship.
My fear is that since Justice Roberts is not presiding over this trial, will Democrats instead use the 51 vote majority be the threshold of guilt and not 2/3’s majority? Also, which of these Senators will turn Democrat? Figuring two Democratic Senators oppose the end of the Fillibuster, two Rhinos could be a game changer! Go’s save the Republic!
Yes – they are already beginning to claim that removal requires 2/3 but disqualification only requires a simply majority.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/01/add-virginia-list-states-forensic-audit-2020-election-results-absolutely-necessary/
And we will get that heifer in the GOP primary!
The impeachment of a president who should be president, but is not president led by a bunch of deranged old cronies who have turned the US Capitol into an insane asylum only stands to validate the claim that the election was in fact stolen.
They should be nowhere near the reins of power. The Capitol being occupied and led by Attilla the Viking Horned Guy on January 6th would have been an equal alternative.
Just called Sasse’s office, told him the saddest part of his vote was that I knew it was coming from a man who is educated in matter of the Constitution and that he still voted for something he knew that document didn’t provide for. Called him an anti-Constitutionalist.
Added that I knew he has had his head firmly planted up Mitch McConnell’s ass and that of Tom Donohue, so his vote was not a surprise, but was still disappointing because it’s always a shame when intelligence is replaced by envy and by ambition.
Sasse has some bad skeletons is all I can think. From Tiger Droppings…….Ben Sasse was in charge of supervising underage boys, who were later abused by members of Congress.
Ben Sasse was a tutor in the Congressional page program from 1996 to 1998. The Congressional page program brings underage boys to Congress to run errands for Congressmen. These young boys would run errands for Congressmen, and often sexual relationships would develop between the underage boys and members of Congress.
The Congressional page program was shut down in 2011 after numerous sex scandals occurred, including the Mark Foley sex scandal.
Had Gang, Got a Squad now we got a FLUSH 5 turds
The ghost of Diane Feinstein Marley haunting you in the Senate halls Murkowski will PALE in comparison to the force that will be unleashed across the Alaskan tundra and seacoast now that you’re on the RADAR.
From your lips/keyboard to God’s ear, ropala!
Rep Thomas Massie today:
If impeaching former presidents escalates any further, I call dibs on FDR.
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And Woodrow Wilson.
Pat Toomey has been such a supreme disappointment to me. In 2004, Rick Santorum sided with Arlen Specter in opposing Toomey in his Senate primary bid. Opposing Toomey came back to bite Santorum in his dupie as he lost his next Senate re-election bid. In 2009 Specter officially changed sides and became a Democrat, ultimately casting the deciding vote in enacting Obamacare.
Why does it seem that only Republicans always have a contingent of quislings who oppose the party’s agenda at the most critical times? Can anyone think of a Democrat who has ever gone against their party in a key vote?
I was just going to point out that it is very telling that 100 of our supposed best and brightest, who should be well versed in our Constitution, can not agree on something this simple. This vote should have been 80-20 or 90-10 showing people understand the Constitution.
To just have a partisan vote like this means these people are phony. The truth is irrelevant. It’s all about the party. And these 5 dumbasses can’t figure that out.
So it’s their belief that 45 Republican Senators are all stupid and yet all 50 of the Democrats, which include some really nefarious people, are all extremely intelligent and voted for the Constitution.
The majority of those voting to impeach are voting purely based on hate and bigotry. There should be no place for people like that in the Senate of the US. Every single Democrat voted like that and 5 R bigots joined them in mocking fairness and the Constitution.
They don’t think it unusual that maybe 4 or 5 Democrats would have voted differently? They can’t see the partisan scam and they voted for the opposing team betraying their own team in the process? Scum.
The PA GOP has been a mess of RINOs, “moderate” Republicans, and mostly fake conservatives. Richard Thornburgh, Tom Ridge, Arlen Specter, Patrick Toomey. I lived there for years, and it was “hold the nose and vote GOP to keep/attain the majority.” The Tea Party never got any traction. When Tom Corbett was governor, there was a chance to get right-to-work in , but there were too many GOP squishes in swing districts who wouldn’t take the chance.
Remember the mail-in balloting in PA. That was not a judge’s order. The PA legislatures (both houses controlled by the GOP) voted for it. If the GOP manages to take the governor’s mansion this year (Wolf is term-limited, and his lockdown orders are about as bad as NJ’s, so any Dem candidate would have a hard time defending then), it’s possible they could change the law back. But then they have to contend with a Dem-controlled state supreme court – because, in part, of lousy GOP judicial candidates, and a few GOP justices who had to resign over a smutty email scandal.
Jeff Van Drew
Collins is another person that like Sasse loves to be with the cocktail crownd and please the WaPost.
She can’t use the excuse that she could lose her state to a Dem if she’s pro-Trump because she just won another 6 effing years to act stupidly.
I think we need to brand her not as anti-Trump but as what she is, ANTI-CONSTITUTION.
In fact, we could drive Mitch crazy by asking her to switch parties. Why the hell not? The only time she votes half-way decently is for judges, and even then, she has to be courted.
Get lost. Get out of the GOP and see how you like being old what to do in Schumer’s Senate and the Dem caucus, Ugly Sue.
BTW, how do the UGLY TWINS , Lisa and Susan, feel about girls having to compete against boys in girls’ leagues?
If they take the anti-science position, if they can’t understand a male’s lungs, heart, skeletal structure including ligaments and tendons, endocrine system, even his skin and its ability to sweat profusely and so much more, don’t give that male a huge advantage in strength, speed, agility over females, we should offer to send them to a nearby university to take some classes. If they refuse, let’s nag them to death.
Collins cannot and will not run again however; she just won her dominion seat for a historic 5th term here in Maine. She will be used as a foil throughout her term
Good. I want the trial. Would have been terrible had it been dismissed. Now he can get his story out.
I would have preferred a full rebuke of Nazi and the House Dems, and the 10 turncoats, for doing a snap impeachment. That shoujld never be condoned in any way, shape, or form..
I just LOVE how anti-American establishment places the *target on their own backs these days. There’s no more doubting my lying eyes.
*target – figuratively speaking for WOKE trollers second guessing .✌️
im sure i speak for most Trump supporters when I say who cares.
Let’s hope his lawyers will be more competent this time. As was true for the past 5 years, the proper legal strategy is/was to point out the absurdity of his persecutors’ position, ridicule the irrational thought and those that use it, repeat repeat repeat until you hammer it home to that ever dwindling portion of the american public that is willing to listen with their minds open so to speak.
this is a comedy (tragi/comedy to be exact) and should be dealt with accordingly. the other side deserves no respect at all.
Toomey has said he wants to run for Governor.
NEVER TOOMEY
I meant to post that on the general page, but it actually fits here too. What harm and malevolence have they inflicted only to continue on after their terms.
Pres. Trump sets a new path forward.
28 years in the wilderness illustrated.
So much evil in one place
Toomey is stepping down. He didn’t vote Trump as he cried before impeachment vote and the election fraud….he’s a disgrace. They bought him hard
The Senate does not impeach the President, the House does (and already has–again). The Senate tries the President, or decides not to try him. I remember the Clinton trial fairly well.
Only people in Alaska can vote for Murkowsi. All of us everywhere else are totally on board with you that she is a thorn in our sides. The Alaskans will have to make up their own minds. If we try to strongarm a result into existence the we will risk becoming more like Democrats.
The Usual Suspects
Those Republicans in Alaska that voted for slimeball murkowski rather than the guy who was running as a Republican. Good Job you must be very proud of yourselves. Are you rinos also or just do not understand, let me inform you msm -rinos – d-rats all are evil liars, haters and cheaters. They do not care about the American people, they care more about deception and power over the people, the power to tell us how to act and what to think.
Many of us Republicans in Alaska voted for Joe Miller in the Republican primary in 2010, and in the general election that followed. And *somehow* Lisa managed to win a write in campaign as an Independent in the general. Lisa is well loved in the Native villages who do not recognize her Decepticon nature, and garnered much support in deep-blue Anchorage which has half of the total population of Alaska. Get off your highhorse. We know exactly who the Demokkkrats are. You can’t believe the amount of Act Blue money that flows into this state to defeat conservatives.
So five women voted to impeach.