Under the timeline outlined by Senator Chuck Schumer [01:40 of video] the House will deliver the article of impeachment Monday evening January 25th. Senators will be sworn-in Tuesday January 26th, and the trial will officially begin the week of February 8th.
Kamala Joe has policy covered. As long as he can fog a mirror they’ll keep sending him EO’s to sign. The people’s business in congress is to destroy That Man…and send a message to anyone who gets the bright idea to oppose the uniparty…and to keep CNN busy while draconian laws are quietly put in place…and democrat governors wonder why their efforts to rescue us from the “Trump/Covid economy” are going nowhere.
Newly minted minority leader Cocaine Mitch will use the proceedings to prove that the concept of laissez faire is not dead.
Congress doesn’t need to worry about policies. Jobama has a pen and phone. And, from his first two days, he must have an Executive Order machine. Just churns them out.
All the while the same people who cried tyrant and dictator when Trump would hesitantly sign a few.
Don’t need stinking policy when you have an EO machine.
JoeBama couldn’t win an election
Well, you know
They just installed his ass instead
They say we had an insurrection
Well, you know
We all think it’s in their heads
But if you go talking on Facebook about the vote
You know that the jackboots are coming to grab your throat
They say they got a real solution
Well, you know
We’d all like to see the plan
They tell that it’s evolution
Well, you know
They keep bashing Orange Man
JoeBama will fix everything with a fountain pen
You can hear all about it on CNN
Dominion did the calculations
Well, you know
The numbers made us wanna hurl
The Court refused the litigations
Well, you know
Now Old Glory’s been unfurled
You stoked antifa, you’re gonna pay your dues
You got a bomb on your hands that you can’t diffuse
They are doing it but you will not be aware of it as all the focus will be on the theater of this show trial of the President who dared to put America First with his policies.
They are not scared. The Democrats are vicious, mindless, power hungry scum. They need to be destroyed. This is not a game or a contest of ideas. It is a real fight.
When are the politicians on all sides going to quit lying by continuing to say we are a nation of law and order?
One Thousand Pumpkins
January 22, 2021 11:08 pm
Pelosi and Schumer are impeaching Trump for inciting violence against the US Government at the Capitol Building. Meanwhile the FBI has charged 3 people with conspiracy and arrested members of BLM and ANTIFA for breaking in to the Capitol. Nanzi and Chuckie are ignoring what the FBI is telling them.
There are investigations into whether Nanzi and Chuckie were warned of potential violence ahead of time and deliberately rejected offers of help from the Pentagon so they could blame Trump for the violence at an inadequately guarded Capitol building. Was this a dirty trick gone wrong that resulted in multiple deaths?
The Senate Committee on Homeland Security said that the huge sums of money transferred between the Biden Family and the Chinese Communists raises criminal financial concerns, counterintelligence concerns, and extortion concerns. Now Biden is President!??!
Now we have dueling conspiracy theories. The radical Left thinks Trump is trying to overthrow the government. The radical Right thinks the Military is trying to prevent the Left from overthrowing the government. The Chinese are standing in line waiting for their turn.
Something is really wrong here and I don’t know how this movie will end.
If you believe that China has been these past four years standing on the sidelines waiting, you are greatly mistaken. They have been an active participant in this coup d’etat.
The Chinese sure are standing on the sidelines. There are reports of Chinese soldiers standing on our northern boarder (75,000) and southern boarder (175,000).
No, you didn’t ‘fix’ it. The House already voted to impeach President Trump again. They are going to ‘try’ to convict him in the Senate.
Seriously, if you are going to try to meme here you need to have a better game than the comments usually found on MSLSD and CNN. That goes the same for the typical one-liners from Zero Hedge and Breitbart. Regular readers here know and dbetter!
Depends on the meaning of “impeach”, din’ it? They cannot “impeach” Trump in our eyes, no matter what they do. We (how many is “we”? Let’s ask Clarabelle — channeling The Howdy Doody Show, which we seem to be in — HONK-honk-honk…about 100 million, plus or minus 10 million) know they are “Looney Tunes”, and make America a laughing stock of every two-bit African/Asian/European/South American pretend-democracy.
Yes. The Senate makes the rules for the trial and there is zero judicial oversight, in the sense of an appeal, of any of it. This has the makings of Kafka taking a trip down the rabbit hole on LSD.
MikeN
January 22, 2021 11:11 pm
Be sure to have a third party candidate ready for anyone who manages to win a primary.
Make sure they lose their seat, even if it means Democrat control for 6 years.
That is why state legislatures have to do their job and fix the election problems. Obama lost a thousand state legislators and governors. Biden could do even better. The foundation is state and local.
No. They don’t have machines in every House district or state. It’s really difficult to steal a lot of the seats if no one votes GOP or votes something else. Stealing 30, 50, 90 percent of the vote is not possible outside of precinct in NYC, ATL, Detroit, Philly, etc. And those precincts are not onboard to stuff ballots for Republicans.
They can probably cheat in a lot of primaries but not in the general if almost no one votes GOP.
Lulu, it seems to be the only way they are going to get the message. They didn’t listen to what their voters wanted. I will vote in the primary if there is an opponent, but I’m through voting for incumbents.
MikeN, I have no problem with that. It’s time these scum that we elected understand that they do the will of the people not the reverse, and sadly that’s the only thing that will make believers of them.
We the majority of the people voted for Donal J. Trump and many of us voted for a republican so he would have a majority in conress.to enact his agenda. They undermined him from Day One. The republican senate led by evil incarnate McConnell took it upon himself to deny Trump his appointments. The former speaker Ryan sabotaged his agenda in the house.
They are as responsible as the election fraud for the mess we are in now with the leftist in charge and the simpleton busy signing the EOs.
That’s a genderist remark. Who are you to decide what he decides to identify as at any particular moment? Lately he’s been identifying as a traitor, but that’s another story
I think that’s what NEEDS to happen. This is unConstitutional. No one who ever swore an oath to uphold the Constitution should just go along with this.
He has a DUTY to fight this outrage, for the country’s sake.
Or just play the videos of Pelosi, Waters, AHS Harris all calling for Aden’s to get in our faces. Escalate, get violent if needed. They all three said thus multiple times.
Chuck Schumer, elected to Congress in 1980, is one of many covert CIA officers elected to Congress over the years. It is a violation of the Constitution for a CIA officer to be a Member of Congress. Article I, section 6 states: “No Person holding any Office under the United States shall be a Member of either House during his Continuance in Office.”
The men and women of the CIA are “CIA officers,” and officers of the United States Central Intelligence Agency clearly “hold office under the United States,” which means they are Constitutionally prohibited from being Members of Congress while they are in the CIA.
There have been covert CIA officers in Congress in violation of the Constitution since the 1950s.
Joe Biden has been a CIA “asset” targeted for the Presidency since 1984. His CIA handlers are behind the election fraud of 2020.
Read “DESTROYING AMERICA: The CIA’s Quest to Control the Government.”
Well, the CIA have been responsible for installing their preferred puppets in numerous other countries. It should surprise nobody that they want control at home.
The CIA has assets in both parties sitting right now in Congress. Once a CIA officer, always a CIA officer.
TLM
January 22, 2021 11:15 pm
The Democrats have outdone themselves this time in the ‘absurdity’ department. Impeachment of any SITTING (key word here….SITTING) legislator is spelled out for ‘high’ crimes against the rule of law. 1st of all, Trump is out of office, what part about that don’t they get? And 2nd of all, they have NOTHING on him…..NOTHING. They are making complete and total fools of themselves.
This is truly out there, its beyond comprehension. There has to be more to this. It feels like desperation. But why?
They have all three branches of government on their side plus the intelligence agencies, big tech, and the media. They even got away with stealing the election. Have we heard from President Trump? No. They could easily keep it that way.
They could move forward with everything they want. Why are they bothering with this? If they let him defend himself that would only be dangerous to themselves.
They have spend years trying to keep his message from getting out, misrepresenting him and his goals, bashing him in the media constantly with little to no opportunity to have equal access for his point of view or rebuttal. Why would they allow him the stage now with a such a large audience with lawyers in tow?
Something is just not right. It feels dangerous, I don’t know why, but it does.
For a long time, I have thought that they KNEW their false narratives were false, and they just manufactured them to delude US, the rubes.
Recently, I have come to believe a far scarier scenario; they actually BELIEVE much of the b.s. they are putting out.
Fundamentally, and foundationally, they believe the American people are stupid rubes, and that THEY, with their superiority intelligence, are “destined” to rule, and are entitled to their perks and priviledges.
THIS is the foundation their whole belief structure is built on.
They truly believe THEY are “the good guys”, are trying to “save” America from “Trump” and the evil rascist, mysoginist etc. he inspires.
Two problems with being a liar; firstly, nobody has a good enough memory to be a succesful liar. But the second is, in order to be really convincing, you have to convince yourself that the lie is the truth.
Do this long enough, and you lose touch with reality, believing the false world you have created with your lies, is reality.
The inmates truly are in charge of the asylum. They should keep that fence up, around the Capitol, and SCOTUS.
Yes, I have witnessed that attitude especially from Millennials. They are connected online and support each other in this line of thinking. They think we are idiots and it is their turn to say what goes and we need to shut up and get out of their way. They are so arrogantly confident they are blind to any other thinking.
Everyone and every entity they follow online reinforces this group think. They are very united in this world view. They are true, hardcore fascists.
Now, look up “Black Muslims”, and see where that belief came from, and has metastasized over the last 60 years (AFTER civil rights was already won, but they overwhelmed the Christian outlook of MLK and seek only revenge.)
“What can you do, thought Winston, against the lunatic who is more intelligent than yourself, who gives your arguments a fair hearing and then simply persists in his lunacy?”
― George Orwell, 1984
Because jmbuck, he KNOWS where all the bodies are buried so to speak, and they KNOW he knows. He has enough dirt on them (a good number of them both Democrat & Republican) to put them away for a very long time. They are terrified that he is going to finish what he started in ‘draining the swamp’. (you probably remember that promise in 2016……’Drain the Swamp’) I think this is the reason for ALL of this…the ‘irregular’ election, Jan 6th, and the impeachment….yet another one. Pray for his safety!
It is beyond making fools of themselves. It is who has control of the power which determines the direction anything goes. It didn’t make any difference Trump gets a 100-million votes or 100-votes. The outcome would always be the same regardless.
The only way any of this can be rectified is, “Who owns the Military”?
As it stands right now, the United States is the largest most powerful Communist military in the World. No matter how many Americans have guns, it is still not an organized Army. Think of it as a herd of cattle. No matter how many cattle they all remain in the confines of a fence.
Fangdog,
I would differ with Think of it as a herd of cattle. No matter how many cattle they all remain in the confines of a fence. – Instead of cattle you can change it with herd of wildebeest and we all know how it ended for Mufasa – the king of the jungle.
Wonder how all those people who voted for Joe feel about congress prioritizing impeachment and setting aside the stimulus payments bill until (maybe) March?
At least they don’t have to worry about President Trump’s mean tweets anymore.
Indeed. In time I foresee a lot of the people who voted for Biden to have their eyes opened. But unfortunately as usual it is too late now. But regardless of how many voted for Trump it would have gone to Biden anyway.
exactly! They have to make an example so no one else outside of the club even thinks of wanting to try this.
thedoc00
January 22, 2021 11:22 pm
The one argument the Democrats will make, which this Supreme Court will accept, is that Donald Trump was Impeached by the House while sitting as President of the US and the Senate portion of the impeachment is the completion of that process under the constitution to determine if guilty and if he is barred from office as well as remanded for other legal actions, ALL as spelled out in the Constitution.
The key is that Pelosi rammed through the impeachment before 20 Janaury 2021. Remember my comment about Rules Committees? She used the same committee to control the last impeachment. Chuckie Cheese Schumer WILL use the Senate Rules Committee to control the Senate portion to limit debate. He could even opt for just reading of charges by Botox Nancy’s Team and go straight to a floor vote after negotiating with Mitch.
Then its a sham. How could the Supreme Court uphold any conviction of a defendant who has not been allowed to present evidence to defend himself. That would just confirm to every citizen that we no longer have a constitution. That would have the result of turning more of the population against them.
It would instill fear in the population. Is that what they are going for? To show us once and for all who is in charge and the lengths they can and will go to shut up any opposition. Is that what this show is all about?
They control at least 2 of the 3 of Trumps Supreme Court appointments. They would have not gotten in otherwise. They fought hard to keep Kavanaugh out, but that does not mean he is not being threatened.
So instead of shrinking away you think they are trying to enrage the populous, cause us to rise up? Are you saying that they are trying to start a civil war?
I can’t see that. That is too dangerous for them. I do not think they would come out of that unscathed. I think they (with CIA, Five Eyes, etc.) have something planned, some kind of kill shot. They are trying to erode or destroy his influence.
jmbuck, Are you saying that they are trying to start a civil war?
We are already in civil war for past 5 years – because of technology, it has been in the twitter / FB / WhatsApp sphere and it has not yet spilled over in traditional way. I am sure, if technology had not made us sissies, we would have been witnessing it the good old ways.
President Trump cannot just ignore this trial. The progressives play for keeps. They are determined to nail him this time. The trial will be held with or without Trump present. If Roberts declines to participate, Harris as President (pro-tempore) of the Senate will preside over the trial.
Although the trial is purely political, it is rigged and designed to be rammed through, affording Trump absolutely no due process whatsoever and providing no evidence. Schummer is not completely stupid; he must have 17 GOP senators willing to vote against Trump. A conviction, and I believe this time it won’t fail, is really designed to crush Trump as a private citizen in other legal matters by charged by Blue State’s Attorney Generals. They want to sue Trump and his family into oblivion and punish him because they can.
“How could the Supreme Court uphold any conviction of a defendant who has not been allowed to present evidence to defend himself.”
We now live in a house of mirrors. ANYTHING is possible now. Destroying Trump is goal No. 1 for the Ruling Class / Deep State and they WILL destroy him. After that, they are coming for us.
If anybody thinks the talk ot “deprogramming” conservatives, Christians and assorted deplorables is just trash talk, think again. The left is deadly serious. We have been warned.
The Senate will have to vote on rules for the trial, before the trial commences. The rules will have to include the rules for Defendant-Trump to present evidence in his own defense.
Much of how the trial goes for Trump will depend on these rules for presenting evidence, IMHO.
He needs to use what support he has in the Senate to influence the evidentiary rules. The importance of this cannot be overstated.
Can We the People develop and implement a strategy for pressuring the Senate to allow Trump to bring his full evidence to bear?
I am hoping brilliant Sundance can put his mind to this.
If Trump can make his full case there, the trial could end up being a win for him and the People.
He will get the audience he needs to prove that he was not lying when he claimed that the election was fraudulent. He is being tried on this issue.
Depending on the evidentiary rules, the Senate trial could be the venue for presenting the election fraud case to the nation.
Here is what I sent off — “Dear Sir, Do you not realize how incredibly scared, frightened and foolish you all look by your “insistence” that PDJT MUST be impeached. On what grounds? Your nondefense of his legitimate second-term Presidential win was bad enough but now your assistance in this effort to destroy a man just because he is loved and adored by MOST Americans and you and most in Congress are not is shameless. I never thought I’d question the legitimacy of my government BUT this rabid attempt to destroy an innocent man at all costs has opened my eyes to just how corrupt and evil most in politics are. You have a chance to right this sinking ship. I am writing to ask that you STOP this merciless and evil persecution. American’s are not blind and what Nancy Pelosi and her ilk have done and continue to do is simply WRONG! Read his speech that day and tell me where he incited anyone to do anything aside from their constitutional rights to free speech and the ability to peacefully protest. He did not “lie” for 10 weeks regarding a stolen election and you and those in your chamber refuse to look at evidence that says there was election fraud — you all know it and ignore the demand to explore further. I am writing to ask you and your leadership to look past the deep-seated hate you have for a man whose only crime is that he is/was an outsider whose goal it was to clean up DC. Your involvement in this charade will speak volumes to all those who are already questioning the legality of what you are attempting to do – if it looks like a sham, walks like a sham, and smells like a sham, it probably is. #WeKnow
I appreciate you taking my thoughts into consideration. PDJT is innocent and you must know that.
Sincerely,…” Take a few minutes and send him a note — we should be be flooding his office with calls, emails and letters!
What’s interesting about their argument – GOP republicans like Lindsey Graham, is they argued on the senate floor while true patriots they called terrorists tried to warn them…
you lack evidence you morons cause it was never given a hearing – the GOP , led by the CCP , blocked the forensic audits.
this country will never recover from the GOP globalists surrendering to the CCP. Mitch is the worst of the traitors after Mike P*as Pence
Their concurrency argument still fails. If you charge a person with a serious offence – say murder and prior to trial that indicted individual dies, the case goes with it.
The sheer lunacy of this unconstitutional impeachment action defines the Dems, they carry this poisoned chalice at their risk.
The Dems would have ” no standing ” in the SC to enforce this tin pot dictator type nonsense, since they have suffered no harm or loss. Two can play that game.
Kleen
January 22, 2021 11:29 pm
While they focus on fabricated threats and non-existent domestic terrorists is anyone watching our country against REAL threats?
Re-read SD’s article about the 10 COVID EO’s Slow Joe signed. They are NOT just China Virus related EO’s but are fill in the blank orders for ANY emergency that essentially give the un-elected heads of Executive Branch Agencies powers to do as thy please for “Public Safety” and “The Public Good” with little or NO oversight.
Of particular note is that they allow for putting ALL White People in the US under the gun for past “systemic racism”. The words are actually in the EO’s.
Theses are straight out of 1933 Nazis Germany with Chancellor (Puppet Master) Hitler in charge.
This is exactly what they did in Killer Cuomo’s NY.
Our Legislature is also trying to pass a Gulag law that would allow the Health Department to set up detention camps for people with unspecified infectious diseases.
Where are all the “constitutional” Circuit judges that were confirmed while President Trump was in office? Why are none of them challenging any of these EO’s or actions as UN-constitutional?! We were told they would change the Circuit courts to uphold the Constitution!!
They were approved by Mitch. This always worried me.
Rowdyone
January 22, 2021 11:31 pm
History will judge these two impeachments as saying more about the corrupt Uniparty of this time period than the target of it’s wrath, President Trump, who tried to clean it up. He wasn’t successful but he did expose the principle members.
Liberals write history, unfortunately. I can only imagine what the history books will teach about this period in American history in the classes of 2050.
While the scale of the US is much larger, consider that there have been very Charasmatic Colonels in their respective Army, in Africa, Middle East and Europe who have fomented successful uprsings. While the major leadership of the US Military seems to have been seriously polluted at higher command and administrative levels, there are Division and Brigade Commanders of Combat Units who often have major Charastmatic appeal to the Troops, even Troops outside their commands due to the 3-5 year rotation policy for home basing.
There is some history behind what you say.
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Sentient
January 22, 2021 11:35 pm
“He fomented insurrection! It was an attempted coup!” (clutching pearls). Sure, Jan. Because whenever you’re trying to topple a nuclear-armed superpower, you send in a couple of unarmed goobers in Viking outfits to steal a podium.
Don Jr. just posted a video on his official Telegram channel: https://t.me/s/TrumpJr https://t.me/TrumpJr
BIG ANNOUNCEMENT: I’m OFFICIALLY here on Telegram.
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Big Tech has gotten out of hand and it’s clear that many of you would like to connect on a platform that doesn’t stifle Free Speech – I hear you.
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I now have ownership of this channel and will be posting original content for you guys.
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STAY TUNED
. https://t.me/TrumpJr
He owns it now. See the video of him confirming it. The person who had it gave it to him when he asked for it. Immediately jumped up from under 100k subscribed to going on 1 million now.
Yes you are right, he owns that channel on telegram, the Don Junior Channel.
Awesome! Thanks!
Luke
January 22, 2021 11:40 pm
This is simply another thing to laugh at friends. Don’t get distracted. DT excited on 1/20 he will not be running again for political office. This is actually something that turns people off so let them have at it. Like I said laugh when it makes sense.
Its not about just political office. It’s about secret service protection, DJT presidential library etc. All of which would disappear in an impeachment.
They want to utterly destroy the MAGA ideas as a movement. Where I agree with you is even if you scrub DJT from history (and they will give it their best) you cannot fight ideas with violence. America First is the right idea. Not just America, any country should fight for its citizens. That is the point of a sovereign nation under God.
I agree. DJT would be FAR more important in the capacity of a kingmaker. If he does not start a third party, then he needs to target every single RINO Senator up for re-election in 2022 and 2024. He should also go after the 10 RINO House members who voted to impeach him.
Next, Trump–again, if he does not start a 3rd party–should clean out the RINOs in the six contested battle-ground states. The Republicans were intolerably slow to challenge the almost immediately suspicious election results. None of the battle-round majority Republican state legislatures should have voted for certification.
Now, before someone reminds me the voting no longer matters, save your time–we ALL know it doesn’t. But if we don’t make the effort to remove RINO traitors by primarying them, then all we’re left with is submission to tyranny, or resistance by any means necessary.
Pres. Trump doesn’t need the presidential pension, he doesn’t need security, and he isn’t likely to run for office again. The problem with this trail is it slanders his movement as insurrectionist. The Deep State wants to discredit the movement.
The problem with this is the Constitution is being used to wipe their ass with and deep state coup.
The finger pointing at DJT is just the analogy of the pretty girl on the magicians stage, that distracts every one’s attention while the action happens in the other hand.
James Raclawski
January 23, 2021 12:15 am
by any means necessary- the “club” – UniParty – the ruling oligarchs cannot allow even a glimmer of a threat from the “great unwashed” to intrude on their grand schemes…. EVER again… that’s the goal… that’s the message of this theater… there are few left in this “house of mirrors” that retain their soul – their integrity… their sense of right & wrong… that hold onto their honor… that understand their path before God…. their duty&obligations … if there be such PATRIOTS still residing in that “house of ill repute” they need to separate themselves from the riffraff . .. they need to stand tall.. sound off … this treachery has to end or maybe it’s too late for “self correction…”
These oligarchs, its still based on a system. The system is consumerism.
You can vote daily by being careful where your dollars go. We must all be aware, for instance if we are still on Facebook, Twitter and use Google and Amazon you can do better.
We must do this for the long haul and we must do this vigorously and with resolve. Yes it will be inconvenience but over time better alternatives will arise. Just like a forest fire, it will look nasty for a while and ugly, but in time new sprouts will bloom and fresh greens will rise.
offcoursenation
January 23, 2021 12:20 am
Eisenhower said preventive war was an invention of Hitler. I rather imagine he would say the same thing about preventive impeachment.
Margot
January 23, 2021 12:29 am
My ex and I were discussing this over dinner. He is of the opinion that the target here is not so much Trump, but us. And that this is being done to goad us and force a fight so they can put us down like dogs. I have to admit, he has a point. Because this is coupled with “domestic terrorism”, “the Capitol riot”, “white supremacy”, etc. etc. Trump is being used as a lightning rod to spark off protests or any kind of action that can be labeled “violent”. If we don’t act, they’ll just get actors (Antfa) to play us.
When you think about it, this is the playbook they use to start wars abroad. False accusations, set-ups, etc., which they use to justify invasions and their own violence. Now they’re doing it at home. It’s amusement for them.
President Trump himself said the same thing many times: “They’re really after you. I’m just in the way”. I might have misquoted slightly, but that was the gist.
Labelling is a thing for the left. They will always label you.
They are screaming “Violent insurrectionist!” first and the first person who accidentally breaks a piece of glass they go “Oh oh, see there’s one!”
Never live your life under this! They will always find fault with you.
You have have your rights bestowed on you by the Constitution, the Charter of human rights and if you are religious by the holy bible. We should live true to the morals and values outlined, that we know our parents and grandparents and before have fought (and died) for.
If we live our lives within the boundaries of always trying to appease others and not do anything that at least 1 person will find fault in, then we will all be prisoners.
I believe everything in the universe will balance out. Maybe not today, not in a month, but eventually every negative thing must have a positive thing. Every backstab will be equalized by a compliment.
I think there’s examples of this in nature all around. There’s no light without darkness, no life without something haven given its life for that life to exist. Many examples. That is why I think on the whole it will even out. It’s not going to help us from a “revenge” and “wishing someone they get what they deserve” “Why doesn’t it go faster” Rest assured things will even out regardless.
Contempt
January 23, 2021 12:32 am
Yes I’ll do vote for you if you promise not to do anything for me. Don’t work. Never did anything for me anyway.
Kaco
January 23, 2021 12:37 am
Has President Trump retained any good lawyers for this? Last I heard he took someone named Butch Bowers upon Lindsay Graham advice and recommendation! I think that is bad news! Supposedly his own attorneys are not helping. He needs some real help!
Someone quoted Dershowitz saying he would not take the case unless it was President Trump suing the Senate for illegal impeachment proceedings.
Lastly, the big question he would have to answer is: For what purpose did he he summon his supporters to D.C.?
“For what purpose did he he summon his supporters to D.C.?”
That’s the $64,000.00 question. Why did he direct them to go to the Capitol, and say “I’ll be there with you”, only to get into a car with Rudy, Don, Jr. and Eric and go back to the White House instead?
There were going to be presentations at the Capital and there was a stage. People were scheduled to speak.
At 12:40 or so the Capitol was breached. At 13:10 or so DJT speech concluced.
It is reasonable to assume that DJT got in his ear that there was a riot at the Capitol by the time he got to his car. Or the secret service would have surely told him.
If you were reponsible for the safety of the president of the united states, would you let him walk into an Antifa riot?
I do remember there were speakers scheduled that day.
And yes, it makes sense, despite what his intentions were – President Trump likes to keep his word, there would be no way he would go to the Capitol once there was word of the “insurrection.”
I was one of those supporters who answered his call. I traveled from NY to DC to show PDJT, a man who I respect and adore, that I stand there in support of him physically and I wanted Congress to see ME and the many like minded, peace loving people who KNOW the election was stolen and that maybe the huge turnout would remind them that “We the People” are still out side their ivory tower. Crowds were huge and love was felt at his speech. Was a wonderful event until it wasn’t and the “wasn’t” was NOT due to Trump supporters. ANTIFA and BLM infiltrated crowds and changed the course of the day but that was only up at the Capitol. The majority of people there went to show solidarity with a President they love – it was truly a “people’s moment”.
As far as that goes – possibly that was his intention – to join his supporters over at the Capitol, but then word came of what happened and so he went back to the White House instead.
Yes, I don’t think it was either. But my own opinion is, he wanted us there to show how big our numbers are and we should mean something with legitimate concerns as much as, if not more so, than all the BLM/Antifa marches this past summer they all quaked in their boots over.
I just don’t know how he would answer that question.
But I really don’t know. I think they will recall up that tweet he did saying, “It’s going to be wild.”
I hope he has a good explanation. In addition, I think his speech might have changed from what he originally intended, as he heard that morning or sometime beforehand that Pence was not going to send it back to the states to audit the votes and hear the evidence.
He became aware of exactly what Pence was going to do as he was wrapping up his remarks. I was not there but listened to the entire speech.
At the beginning of the speech, he was talking about being hopeful of the action Pence would take.
As he was getting near to wrapping his speech, he said, “it’s not looking good with Mike, it’s not looking good”. At about the same time the Pence letter as to how he was going to proceed was published.
Anyone remember Encounter at FarPoint Startrek: TNG pilot?
Where Q put humanity on trial. I think it will be something like that. Steve Bannon mentions he needs to present evidence about fraud in the states, but I think if there is a trial it will be rigged, the evidence will be limited it will be a dog and pony show and the conclusion foregone.
It’s better go get the whole trial scrapped as a miscarriage of justice. I shirk at using Justice in that sentence cause Justice seems to have left the courts a while ago.
Yes, I hope someone is reading and they go the angle of Dershowitz and just counter sue with unConstitutional impeachment illegality and throw the damn thing out! Retain Dershowitz, hope he is still true to his principles.
Otherwise, it could morph like that stupid Mueller special counsel and get worse than initially thought because it’s a f-ing trap!
It would make sense to keep Dershowitz for any subsequent legal action. That would be two fold, restitution for the deprivation of rights given to an individual under the constitution and the lack of any constitutional basis for this impeachment ( ultra vires )ie outside the rules.
Puts the SC right in the frame plus if Roberts sits in the Senate on the hearing, he is conflicted out of hearing the case subsequently.
This is a good example of their CRT equity theories, they are trying to force through an outcome which the law of the land does not support.
He summoned his supporters for a Peaceful Protest – so that we could stand as witnesses for President Trump and his voters – see Congress – here is a representative sample of the voters who’ve been cheated of their votes.
JusticeForAll
January 23, 2021 12:56 am
You must think strategically.
A trial is an opportunity to get the facts out and to do discovery. It is a chance to call witnesses and hire experts.
The charge is incitement. The prosecution charges that he lied about the election being stolen.
Make them prove it and let him provide evidence to the contrary, that he actually was speaking honestly.
This is a golden opportunity for Trump to marshal the resources to really look into the election, with the nation watching and bearing witness.
The mainstream media will try to not report the content of Trump’s defense.
However, the facts nonetheless will be out there for reference now and in the future, when hopefully the Patriot Party takes off.
Trump’s detailed and persuasive fact-laden defense will motivate the start of the new party.
Trump has the potential to make a huge win out of a Senate trial, giving him the limelight to make his case to the People.
Making his case to the People should be Trump’s focus, more than trying to “win” at the Senate trial.
In fact, losing there might be more of a win for Trump than defeating the impeachment.
Losing despite an avalanche of testimony and proof to the contrary would prove to the People that the Democrats are truly corrupt.
You have just laid out every reason NOT to do this. Why would they give him a chance to speak and defend himself. They wouldn’t and they won’t. They have something else planned.
The Senate will have to explicitly adopt rules governing the procedures for Trump’s trial. This will include presentation of evidence in his defense. (There is a useful historical summary at https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/R/R46185).
Alternatives historically are to allow direct witness testimony for either or both sides via supoena, or more indirectly, to establish a Senate committee to gather/hear the evidence, and report back to the whole Senate.
So it would seem critical for Trump to decide how he would like Senators to hear his evidence–directly through witnesses or indirectly through a committee report.
I would hope the former, so we the People can hear it too.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but there’s no trial in the United States in which the defendant is precluded from defending himself.
There’s one flaw is you assume it is a fair trial, and trials are no longer about fairness but “what can our side gain?”
In Congress they drummed up fabricated charges and they voted yes.
What makes you think the same thing cannot happen in the Senate?
Can the Senate put private citizens on trial? Can they put you on trial?
What is the path of appeals when you get convicted by the Senate? The Supreme Court? Do you even have standing in your own conviction of “The State” against a private citizen.
This is going to be a Gong show most likely if it is to proceed. A travesty of Justice, and Justice has left the building a long time ago.
Exactly. Justice is what ever they say it is. They change the rules as they go along. This is no longer the country we once had. It’s been an illusion for some time now.
Until we realize it is a whole new ballgame and play by there rules, unfortunately, we will not win any battles.
Same questions I’ve been asking. By legitimizing an Unconstitutional process, one in which Roberts – according to someone earlier on this thread related from Rand Paul – will not preside – can you then discount their “verdict” once you’ve subjected yourself to the process?
I think it should be ignored.
But the bigger question I have is the one you mention here and I’ve made the same point earlier – does the Senate then propose that it has the power to conduct a trial of any private citizen? And if not, why not? It proposes to hold a trial for private citizen Donald Trump.
Doesn’t matter that Nazi Nancy is delivering an article of impeachment – she’s too late – the President cannot be removed from office, he left at the end of his term.
I do not trust this regardless of what opportunity we, or President Trump may think this presents.
I don’t think it’s right to legitimize an unconstitutional, illegal proceeding.
What happens if, by some miracle, we ever get another person of our choosing into the presidency?
Do we want that individual subject to the enemy’s unconstitutional actions, just because it was thought at one time, that it was expedient not to fight?
Exactly….this is a senate proceeding and thus a political and theatrical one. They will not be following any rule of law. In this court, the rules are what they say they are,
If they even have rules that allow him to defend himself at all, they’ve already stated he has to prove his innocence – not that they have to prove he is guilty. They will set a precedent that it is legal to have a trial of a private citizen in which the citizen is considered guilty and has to prove his own innocence in a crime.
They want to make the Constitution irrelevant.
Oh, heck, the Senate can just convict him for having “unbecoming conduct”. They can vote however way they want, especially if they’re out for blood, and use any excuse. I don’t think it’s really like a court of law, even though they are the lawmakers.
I think if there is a chance of suing the Senate for impeachment being illegal after leaving office, then maybe he can get it thrown out. This was supposedly Dershowitz, suggestion, I don’t know who hears that case, if it’s Supreme Court or not, if they have “standing”.
Exactly. Trump only got a fair trial because McConnell was in charge of the Senate at the time.
Chumer would NEVER allow Trump to present evidence. It will be a kangaroo court. Don’t take the bait Mr President.
I had heard someone, maybe a congressperson, say (sorry, I don’t have documentation, but just recall hearing it on talk radio) that they believed they could impeach Trump without a proper trial with evidence. That they could just go to a vote because the “evidence” of what Trump said that “incited” a riot was already out there publicly.
I wouldn’t put anything past them. It’s like the Tower of Babel — now that they speak the same language, nothing shall be impossible for them. (But then God stepped in and blew it up, so there’s that…)
Ned
January 23, 2021 2:10 am
This National Guard build up is DEMS PROJECTING!
They FEAR us.
There are more of US than THEM and they FEAR US uprising against them….
How they have treated the National Guard is appalling. We treat POW’s better than that.
President Trump put them up in his hotel when they were last there – not sleeping on cold cement in a dirty stained parking garage or on marble floors i the capitol. This is so disheartening and depressing. We voted for Trump and the imbecile stole it. Now I am ashamed again of this imbecilic leader. President Trump brought back some pride of country.
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treeper1956
January 23, 2021 2:18 am
A lot of tough talk, but what are WE going to do about this? WE let this happen. can WE do anything to change the outcome?
Treeper, WE did NOT let this happen! We all voted for President Trump in massive numbers – he won! We did not know that they would rig the election with the assistance of our foreign enemies (China, Iran)! We did not know that the ENTIRE structure of the US government would be used against him/us to instil a fake, incompetent “president”.
Interested Patriot
January 23, 2021 2:43 am
In his first day he eliminated 10,000 jobs (KeyStone) and sent 1 Trillion USD abroad by re-joining the Paris deal. That is on day one, not a bad start for a good economy.
Now why the heck are things going so bad. Come on man!
So Schumer is back. And Pelosi, both in the spotlight.
That is the key. Politics is about getting yourself in the spotlight, to make people think you are important. That you can do it with a show trial — ooh, legal trouble, you MUST be important, even LEGITIMATE — is icing on the cake.
This is a plea for their legitimacy, and an attempt to cast Trump as the illegitimate one.
Anybody notice the absence of “the honorable opposition”?
Just a hint that it is not politics anymore. It’s suppression and open tyranny. They are simply, and always, traitors (calling them crooks, or even mob bosses, is too mild a word, in a Democratic Republic; they are traitors to the nation’s very foundational ideas).
Defies logic. Impeachment process is there to remove a ‘sitting’ high official (in this case a former president) initiated by congress with the hearing in the Senate. The Chief Justice is to preside over the impeachment of a sitting President. Article 2 to refers to the banning of an impeached official from future office as part of sentencing, its tied to the results of the impeachment not the purpose of it or you could impeach anyone from holding future office.
My question is how can you have a Senate trial with the chief justice presiding over a non-sitting president? Constitution is clear that the CJ will preside over the impeachment hearing of the ‘sitting’ president, which in this case is actually Biden. How can the Senate even have a trial over a public citizen? They have no ‘standing’. I guess this means we can impeach Obama for what he did wrt Bengazi, IRS, Fast Furious, meddling in an election and disrupting the smooth transfer of administrations.
Clarion
January 23, 2021 6:54 am
This is unConstitutional. Why isn’t anyone filing suit to stop this?
For America’s ake, even if the president believes he can beat this?
Why do we just move in lockstep toward whatever they want to do to us? If no one “resists” this, we can just forget about resisting anything else.
Cocoon
January 23, 2021 6:58 am
Very hard to watch the Senate take on Impeachment for a former POTUS while new POTUS is enacting Executive Orders in his first week he promised he would not on campaign trail?
Accountability?
Mary A. Fitzgerald
January 23, 2021 7:07 am
Democrats believe only that only Republicans will be hurt by this but Democrats should understand that as Democrats voters observe Biden’s economic policies, their ire will hit the Dems.
Freedom ring
January 23, 2021 7:22 am
First they stole our vote, now they hope to limit those we can vote for.
SRZ
January 23, 2021 7:46 am
To the good people posting in the comments:
4 years of absolute lawlessness and zero accountability for the ruling class with the help of a complicit and largely ignorant press and yet we are still here discussing “rules” and “laws.” Perhaps you missed the culmination of all of this, the coup de grâce if you will, which was preventing any legitimate discussion of election fraud by means of portraying a small group of protesters as part of an armed insurrection whose goal was taking hostages and overthrowing the government. Anybody who has a minimal understanding of history knows that is not an accurate portrayal of the events which unfolded on that day, but once again a willing press went along with the scheme in order to provide smoke and mirrors cover for yet another impeachment proceeding. Truly a radical’s wet dream!
All of the ensuing discussion about “they cannot do this, it is against the law” or “they cannot do this, it is against the rules” needs to be stopped immediately so that you may now face reality. The ruling class has been ignoring laws and rules for many years, perhaps only now it has become more brazen and emboldened by the fact that every time it happens, there is no accountability for their actions; instead, they are rewarded with promotion. Is that not what we are now seeing the current appointments and rolling back of EOs?
The goal of the impeachment process in absentia is to prevent the Donald from ever holding public office again. Can they do it? Absolutely. The new rules are there are no rules.
Many times I wished that the majority of the citizens of the US had a more in-depth understanding to regime change and control; there are so many examples of the US doing this in foreign countries that a keen observer would see similar patterns within US borders. It is difficult to believe, but it is right in front of you. It is saddening to see that there are no good men and women in the public eye, save for 3 to my knowledge, who are willing to do anything about this mess in which we are currently engulfed.
The left’s grip on power is tenuable at best and they know it. They only stole the election and barely got away with it because the Republican party let them. They will not repeat it in 2024. They can’t defeat Trump. If they thought they won they won’t be desperately trying to Impeach him. He will remain a thorn in their side for the next 4 years and then he will take back the WH in 2024.
Twitter’s ban of Trump hurt the company more than it hurt Trump. It was an own goal. Who told you the left was smart.
I do believe we let them steal it. Ultimately we are in control, how come we did not organize really large protests in the 6 swing states between nov 3rd and Jan 6th. We had too much faith in a system that no longer exists.
Agree. That is where it was stolen. That was the only place it could have been corrected. I’m not buying that the Legislatures couldn’t bring themselves back into session. If that is the case, changing that rule should have occurred on day 1 of their new session.
Kleen
January 23, 2021 8:24 am
The only way out I see is if, BIG IF, if the military does the right thing and send the hippies in DC running.
The military can save this country, But we the people can’t at this point. They are unleashing the might power of the US Gov against us. We will all be Flynn, Roger Stone… without Sidney Powell and declassification or pardon
Or Texas and Florida can secede. But the fight will be ugly. The RINOs will fight us and they will be backed by the Saul Alinky Luciferians who rule this country.
Kleen
January 23, 2021 8:28 am
If you see the Luciferians/ Saul Alisnky purging the military is all over…
Wait… They are already making the list, investigation is on to see which ones are on our side.
I don’t think we have much time before they control the most powerful military in the world. I mean, they are investigating loyalty right now, As soon they act on it, they will gladly use it against us, It’s coming.
Lucifer’s army will be unleashed against us.
Kleen
January 23, 2021 8:31 am
BIden is senile, incapacitated.
Who is really governing? We have the right to know.
Kleen, you are asking the most pertinent and critical question on the board this morning. The persons leading the charge are not Biden, Harris, Schumer, or Pelosi. Someone or some group is deeply engaged for this all to come together as quickly as it all did.
Halt to the ballot counting
Millions of Biden ballots magically appear.
Dominion voting system changes the outcome.
Judiciary caves and refuses to hear lawsuits.
Pence executes the strategy and places the final dagger.
The staged Capital insurrection had unintended consequences, leaving 5 dead in DC.
A rush to blame, Trump
Trump banned everywhere by everyone.
And here we are…
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Lawrence
January 23, 2021 8:40 am
They are impeaching 75 million Americans. They may be making Trump even more important than he would be otherwise. After all, 4 years is a long time for a 74 year old man. Impeachment will do little to quell the resentment that fueled MAGA. It will only serve to deepen the sense that those with a different point of view than the Left is not only not worthy of consideration but not worthy of existence. It remains to be seen who or what will emerge to galvanize the deplorables.
Impeach porpaganda Dem pelosi schumer schiff these are nothing more Than coward Deep state coup’s,
Frank
January 23, 2021 8:59 am
Y’all need to calm down.
The idiots in congress aren’t doing anything useful. Instead, they’re acting on their out-of-control emotions and trying to impeach a man in the senate who does not hold any impeachable office. It’s no different than a baker yelling “you’re fired!” at the postman as he walks by. We’re just watching a pack of pukey weasels go into fits because they hate Donald Trump so much.
lindak
January 23, 2021 8:59 am
Impeachment is to remove from office. This is a show trial.
To figure out where this is going look back at how they treated Trump for the last 5 years.
Did the constitution matter? Law? Precedents? Fairness? Decency? Country? We the people?
Well.. you have your answer. This is going there again. Reasoning this is a waste of time.
Do they not have any policies they can be working on or does President TRUMP live in their heads 24 hours a day ? They are ALL scared to death
Yes they are scared of President Trump and us. Millions of us.
Shaking in their boots they are.
Executive orders, all the way down…
Kamala Joe has policy covered. As long as he can fog a mirror they’ll keep sending him EO’s to sign. The people’s business in congress is to destroy That Man…and send a message to anyone who gets the bright idea to oppose the uniparty…and to keep CNN busy while draconian laws are quietly put in place…and democrat governors wonder why their efforts to rescue us from the “Trump/Covid economy” are going nowhere.
Newly minted minority leader Cocaine Mitch will use the proceedings to prove that the concept of laissez faire is not dead.
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Congress doesn’t need to worry about policies. Jobama has a pen and phone. And, from his first two days, he must have an Executive Order machine. Just churns them out.
All the while the same people who cried tyrant and dictator when Trump would hesitantly sign a few.
Don’t need stinking policy when you have an EO machine.
JoeBama couldn’t win an election
Well, you know
They just installed his ass instead
They say we had an insurrection
Well, you know
We all think it’s in their heads
But if you go talking on Facebook about the vote
You know that the jackboots are coming to grab your throat
They say they got a real solution
Well, you know
We’d all like to see the plan
They tell that it’s evolution
Well, you know
They keep bashing Orange Man
JoeBama will fix everything with a fountain pen
You can hear all about it on CNN
Nor a Constitution or Congress while Dominion voting machines null our votes
Dominion did the calculations
Well, you know
The numbers made us wanna hurl
The Court refused the litigations
Well, you know
Now Old Glory’s been unfurled
You stoked antifa, you’re gonna pay your dues
You got a bomb on your hands that you can’t diffuse
They are doing it but you will not be aware of it as all the focus will be on the theater of this show trial of the President who dared to put America First with his policies.
They are not scared. The Democrats are vicious, mindless, power hungry scum. They need to be destroyed. This is not a game or a contest of ideas. It is a real fight.
When are the politicians on all sides going to quit lying by continuing to say we are a nation of law and order?
Something is really wrong here and I don’t know how this movie will end.
could be a hell of a fight. a short fight. but a real blister.
If you believe that China has been these past four years standing on the sidelines waiting, you are greatly mistaken. They have been an active participant in this coup d’etat.
Chinese agents Pelosis, Feinsteins and Bidens come to mind for simple starters.
The Chinese sure are standing on the sidelines. There are reports of Chinese soldiers standing on our northern boarder (75,000) and southern boarder (175,000).
Canada invited them to practice cold weather tactics in Canada. How much did that treason net them?
Badly
Chuckle (I know, that’s dark…). Concise, succinct — A+
Pelosi, Schumer, McConnell and McCarthy
are TRYING to Impeach (President) Trump for inciting violence,…
Fixed it!
No, you didn’t ‘fix’ it. The House already voted to impeach President Trump again. They are going to ‘try’ to convict him in the Senate.
Depends on the meaning of “impeach”, din’ it? They cannot “impeach” Trump in our eyes, no matter what they do. We (how many is “we”? Let’s ask Clarabelle — channeling The Howdy Doody Show, which we seem to be in — HONK-honk-honk…about 100 million, plus or minus 10 million) know they are “Looney Tunes”, and make America a laughing stock of every two-bit African/Asian/European/South American pretend-democracy.
They control you through worthless courts, corrupt politicians, and cops who do what they are told. They need to be destroyed.
Well the beginning really sucked.
This is not a movie. We need to really fight back.
All the makings of a Kafka novel, no?
Yes. The Senate makes the rules for the trial and there is zero judicial oversight, in the sense of an appeal, of any of it. This has the makings of Kafka taking a trip down the rabbit hole on LSD.
Be sure to have a third party candidate ready for anyone who manages to win a primary.
Make sure they lose their seat, even if it means Democrat control for 6 years.
Why is it so difficult to understand? With rigged voting machines what difference doe it make? Even the election of a Dog-Catcher can be rigged.
And he/she will try to impeach the LAST dog-catcher…
That is why state legislatures have to do their job and fix the election problems. Obama lost a thousand state legislators and governors. Biden could do even better. The foundation is state and local.
Sure, but they have to really be on our side. Not like Kemp in Georgia.
State GOP
State and county legislators need to be changed
No. They don’t have machines in every House district or state. It’s really difficult to steal a lot of the seats if no one votes GOP or votes something else. Stealing 30, 50, 90 percent of the vote is not possible outside of precinct in NYC, ATL, Detroit, Philly, etc. And those precincts are not onboard to stuff ballots for Republicans.
They can probably cheat in a lot of primaries but not in the general if almost no one votes GOP.
Lulu, it seems to be the only way they are going to get the message. They didn’t listen to what their voters wanted. I will vote in the primary if there is an opponent, but I’m through voting for incumbents.
Agreed.
MikeN, I have no problem with that. It’s time these scum that we elected understand that they do the will of the people not the reverse, and sadly that’s the only thing that will make believers of them.
We the majority of the people voted for Donal J. Trump and many of us voted for a republican so he would have a majority in conress.to enact his agenda. They undermined him from Day One. The republican senate led by evil incarnate McConnell took it upon himself to deny Trump his appointments. The former speaker Ryan sabotaged his agenda in the house.
They are as responsible as the election fraud for the mess we are in now with the leftist in charge and the simpleton busy signing the EOs.
I blame Bitch McConnell.
except he’s not a female; but , in this day and age, it doesn’t really make a difference.
That’s a genderist remark. Who are you to decide what he decides to identify as at any particular moment? Lately he’s been identifying as a traitor, but that’s another story
For Shumer’s erection?
Is there a condom big enough to cover the capitol building?
Trump ought to walk in and have fun with it, kinda like when Otter made Dean Wormer(Schumer) lose his mind in the hearing at Faber College.
Bl*w job!
Did we give up when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?
Why dignify it with his presence? We can “have fun” with it right here…
Can’t PDJT sue the Senate at SCOTUS? Will they reject it with “no standing” as excuse?
Next Question: Who or what does have standing?
I think that’s what NEEDS to happen. This is unConstitutional. No one who ever swore an oath to uphold the Constitution should just go along with this.
He has a DUTY to fight this outrage, for the country’s sake.
Clarion, I think Trump has more than done his duty for this country, and we should ask nothing more from him except what he wishes to provide.
Or just play the videos of Pelosi, Waters, AHS Harris all calling for Aden’s to get in our faces. Escalate, get violent if needed. They all three said thus multiple times.
Story is Roberts will refuse to preside. SCOTUS should preemptively declare the whole thing unconstitutional with a 9-0 opinion.
Tell me how they are going to impeach Trump on Feb.8 unless they know he will be back in office as the President of the US.
I believe they believe he has a good chance of being back in office and that scares the erections out of them!
When will they start handing out pills for the insurrections?
hmmm… Erections, insurrections…I think I get it.
If your insurrection lasts longer than four hours, please see a doctor ?
If Congress impeaches Trump out of office, Congress can bloody well do whatever they want to us.
“If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face—for ever.”
― George Orwell, 1984
Yes, so now is the time to fight.
Chuck Schumer, elected to Congress in 1980, is one of many covert CIA officers elected to Congress over the years.
It is a violation of the Constitution for a CIA officer to be a Member of Congress. Article I, section 6 states: “No Person holding any Office under the United States shall be a Member of either House during his Continuance in Office.”
The men and women of the CIA are “CIA officers,” and officers of the United States Central Intelligence Agency clearly “hold office under the United States,” which means they are Constitutionally prohibited from being Members of Congress while they are in the CIA.
There have been covert CIA officers in Congress in violation of the Constitution since the 1950s.
Joe Biden has been a CIA “asset” targeted for the Presidency since 1984. His CIA handlers are behind the election fraud of 2020.
Read “DESTROYING AMERICA: The CIA’s Quest to Control the Government.”
Well, the CIA have been responsible for installing their preferred puppets in numerous other countries. It should surprise nobody that they want control at home.
The CIA has assets in both parties sitting right now in Congress. Once a CIA officer, always a CIA officer.
The Democrats have outdone themselves this time in the ‘absurdity’ department. Impeachment of any SITTING (key word here….SITTING) legislator is spelled out for ‘high’ crimes against the rule of law. 1st of all, Trump is out of office, what part about that don’t they get? And 2nd of all, they have NOTHING on him…..NOTHING. They are making complete and total fools of themselves.
This is truly out there, its beyond comprehension. There has to be more to this. It feels like desperation. But why?
They have all three branches of government on their side plus the intelligence agencies, big tech, and the media. They even got away with stealing the election. Have we heard from President Trump? No. They could easily keep it that way.
They could move forward with everything they want. Why are they bothering with this? If they let him defend himself that would only be dangerous to themselves.
They have spend years trying to keep his message from getting out, misrepresenting him and his goals, bashing him in the media constantly with little to no opportunity to have equal access for his point of view or rebuttal. Why would they allow him the stage now with a such a large audience with lawyers in tow?
Something is just not right. It feels dangerous, I don’t know why, but it does.
For a long time, I have thought that they KNEW their false narratives were false, and they just manufactured them to delude US, the rubes.
Recently, I have come to believe a far scarier scenario; they actually BELIEVE much of the b.s. they are putting out.
Fundamentally, and foundationally, they believe the American people are stupid rubes, and that THEY, with their superiority intelligence, are “destined” to rule, and are entitled to their perks and priviledges.
THIS is the foundation their whole belief structure is built on.
They truly believe THEY are “the good guys”, are trying to “save” America from “Trump” and the evil rascist, mysoginist etc. he inspires.
Two problems with being a liar; firstly, nobody has a good enough memory to be a succesful liar. But the second is, in order to be really convincing, you have to convince yourself that the lie is the truth.
Do this long enough, and you lose touch with reality, believing the false world you have created with your lies, is reality.
The inmates truly are in charge of the asylum. They should keep that fence up, around the Capitol, and SCOTUS.
Gonna need it, to keep the inmates IN.
Yes, I have witnessed that attitude especially from Millennials. They are connected online and support each other in this line of thinking. They think we are idiots and it is their turn to say what goes and we need to shut up and get out of their way. They are so arrogantly confident they are blind to any other thinking.
Everyone and every entity they follow online reinforces this group think. They are very united in this world view. They are true, hardcore fascists.
What do you do about rabid dogs?
Seems to be a problem in DC.
Now, look up “Black Muslims”, and see where that belief came from, and has metastasized over the last 60 years (AFTER civil rights was already won, but they overwhelmed the Christian outlook of MLK and seek only revenge.)
As George Costanza said, It’s not a lie if you think it’s true.
“What can you do, thought Winston, against the lunatic who is more intelligent than yourself, who gives your arguments a fair hearing and then simply persists in his lunacy?”
― George Orwell, 1984
Because they don’t want any more outsiders thinking they can run for POTUS again. “He and his kind.”
They are hiding what they are really doing in the background!!!
Because jmbuck, he KNOWS where all the bodies are buried so to speak, and they KNOW he knows. He has enough dirt on them (a good number of them both Democrat & Republican) to put them away for a very long time. They are terrified that he is going to finish what he started in ‘draining the swamp’. (you probably remember that promise in 2016……’Drain the Swamp’) I think this is the reason for ALL of this…the ‘irregular’ election, Jan 6th, and the impeachment….yet another one. Pray for his safety!
It is beyond making fools of themselves. It is who has control of the power which determines the direction anything goes. It didn’t make any difference Trump gets a 100-million votes or 100-votes. The outcome would always be the same regardless.
The only way any of this can be rectified is, “Who owns the Military”?
As it stands right now, the United States is the largest most powerful Communist military in the World. No matter how many Americans have guns, it is still not an organized Army. Think of it as a herd of cattle. No matter how many cattle they all remain in the confines of a fence.
Fangdog,
I would differ with Think of it as a herd of cattle. No matter how many cattle they all remain in the confines of a fence. – Instead of cattle you can change it with herd of wildebeest and we all know how it ended for Mufasa – the king of the jungle.
Wonder how all those people who voted for Joe feel about congress prioritizing impeachment and setting aside the stimulus payments bill until (maybe) March?
At least they don’t have to worry about President Trump’s mean tweets anymore.
Don’t forget that a lot of those Biden ‘voters’ were already dead!
Indeed. In time I foresee a lot of the people who voted for Biden to have their eyes opened. But unfortunately as usual it is too late now. But regardless of how many voted for Trump it would have gone to Biden anyway.
TLM, what else or fools to do?
exactly! They have to make an example so no one else outside of the club even thinks of wanting to try this.
The one argument the Democrats will make, which this Supreme Court will accept, is that Donald Trump was Impeached by the House while sitting as President of the US and the Senate portion of the impeachment is the completion of that process under the constitution to determine if guilty and if he is barred from office as well as remanded for other legal actions, ALL as spelled out in the Constitution.
The key is that Pelosi rammed through the impeachment before 20 Janaury 2021. Remember my comment about Rules Committees? She used the same committee to control the last impeachment. Chuckie Cheese Schumer WILL use the Senate Rules Committee to control the Senate portion to limit debate. He could even opt for just reading of charges by Botox Nancy’s Team and go straight to a floor vote after negotiating with Mitch.
Then its a sham. How could the Supreme Court uphold any conviction of a defendant who has not been allowed to present evidence to defend himself. That would just confirm to every citizen that we no longer have a constitution. That would have the result of turning more of the population against them.
It would instill fear in the population. Is that what they are going for? To show us once and for all who is in charge and the lengths they can and will go to shut up any opposition. Is that what this show is all about?
These are very sick people.
Look what they did to Gen. Flynn. The whole judiciary and DOJ are corrupt. And SCOTUS is the ring leader.
Bet someone has Epstein quality photos, or worse, on John Roberts.
They control at least 2 of the 3 of Trumps Supreme Court appointments. They would have not gotten in otherwise. They fought hard to keep Kavanaugh out, but that does not mean he is not being threatened.
I’m not sure “fear” is the right word there.
So instead of shrinking away you think they are trying to enrage the populous, cause us to rise up? Are you saying that they are trying to start a civil war?
I can’t see that. That is too dangerous for them. I do not think they would come out of that unscathed. I think they (with CIA, Five Eyes, etc.) have something planned, some kind of kill shot. They are trying to erode or destroy his influence.
jmbuck,
Are you saying that they are trying to start a civil war?
We are already in civil war for past 5 years – because of technology, it has been in the twitter / FB / WhatsApp sphere and it has not yet spilled over in traditional way. I am sure, if technology had not made us sissies, we would have been witnessing it the good old ways.
+ CCP elements.
Then President Trump should ignore it – do not lend any legitimacy to an Unconstitutional process.
President Trump cannot just ignore this trial. The progressives play for keeps. They are determined to nail him this time. The trial will be held with or without Trump present. If Roberts declines to participate, Harris as President (pro-tempore) of the Senate will preside over the trial.
Although the trial is purely political, it is rigged and designed to be rammed through, affording Trump absolutely no due process whatsoever and providing no evidence. Schummer is not completely stupid; he must have 17 GOP senators willing to vote against Trump. A conviction, and I believe this time it won’t fail, is really designed to crush Trump as a private citizen in other legal matters by charged by Blue State’s Attorney Generals. They want to sue Trump and his family into oblivion and punish him because they can.
We now live in a house of mirrors. ANYTHING is possible now. Destroying Trump is goal No. 1 for the Ruling Class / Deep State and they WILL destroy him. After that, they are coming for us.
If anybody thinks the talk ot “deprogramming” conservatives, Christians and assorted deplorables is just trash talk, think again. The left is deadly serious. We have been warned.
Don’t listen to Steve Bannon and Rudy Mr President. Don’t take part in this SHAM
Not sick. Power hungry garbage. This is the time to really rebel. Take the gloves off.
The Senate will have to vote on rules for the trial, before the trial commences. The rules will have to include the rules for Defendant-Trump to present evidence in his own defense.
Much of how the trial goes for Trump will depend on these rules for presenting evidence, IMHO.
He needs to use what support he has in the Senate to influence the evidentiary rules. The importance of this cannot be overstated.
Can We the People develop and implement a strategy for pressuring the Senate to allow Trump to bring his full evidence to bear?
I am hoping brilliant Sundance can put his mind to this.
If Trump can make his full case there, the trial could end up being a win for him and the People.
He will get the audience he needs to prove that he was not lying when he claimed that the election was fraudulent. He is being tried on this issue.
Depending on the evidentiary rules, the Senate trial could be the venue for presenting the election fraud case to the nation.
Here is what I sent off — “Dear Sir, Do you not realize how incredibly scared, frightened and foolish you all look by your “insistence” that PDJT MUST be impeached. On what grounds? Your nondefense of his legitimate second-term Presidential win was bad enough but now your assistance in this effort to destroy a man just because he is loved and adored by MOST Americans and you and most in Congress are not is shameless. I never thought I’d question the legitimacy of my government BUT this rabid attempt to destroy an innocent man at all costs has opened my eyes to just how corrupt and evil most in politics are. You have a chance to right this sinking ship. I am writing to ask that you STOP this merciless and evil persecution. American’s are not blind and what Nancy Pelosi and her ilk have done and continue to do is simply WRONG! Read his speech that day and tell me where he incited anyone to do anything aside from their constitutional rights to free speech and the ability to peacefully protest. He did not “lie” for 10 weeks regarding a stolen election and you and those in your chamber refuse to look at evidence that says there was election fraud — you all know it and ignore the demand to explore further. I am writing to ask you and your leadership to look past the deep-seated hate you have for a man whose only crime is that he is/was an outsider whose goal it was to clean up DC. Your involvement in this charade will speak volumes to all those who are already questioning the legality of what you are attempting to do – if it looks like a sham, walks like a sham, and smells like a sham, it probably is. #WeKnow
I appreciate you taking my thoughts into consideration. PDJT is innocent and you must know that.
Sincerely,…” Take a few minutes and send him a note — we should be be flooding his office with calls, emails and letters!
“He did not ‘lie’ for 10 weeks regarding a STOLEN ELECTION.[my emphasis]…”
You went too far. He turned you off in his mind right there. To listen to that is to recognize that he is a traitor, that all of them are.
But of course you are right, and it’s a good effort.
What’s interesting about their argument – GOP republicans like Lindsey Graham, is they argued on the senate floor while true patriots they called terrorists tried to warn them…
you lack evidence you morons cause it was never given a hearing – the GOP , led by the CCP , blocked the forensic audits.
this country will never recover from the GOP globalists surrendering to the CCP. Mitch is the worst of the traitors after Mike P*as Pence
Note how they have to keep lying to us using words like “riots” or “terrorists”
this country is now built upon lies – it will faulter
Their concurrency argument still fails. If you charge a person with a serious offence – say murder and prior to trial that indicted individual dies, the case goes with it.
The sheer lunacy of this unconstitutional impeachment action defines the Dems, they carry this poisoned chalice at their risk.
The Dems would have ” no standing ” in the SC to enforce this tin pot dictator type nonsense, since they have suffered no harm or loss. Two can play that game.
While they focus on fabricated threats and non-existent domestic terrorists is anyone watching our country against REAL threats?
Scary times.
Re-read SD’s article about the 10 COVID EO’s Slow Joe signed. They are NOT just China Virus related EO’s but are fill in the blank orders for ANY emergency that essentially give the un-elected heads of Executive Branch Agencies powers to do as thy please for “Public Safety” and “The Public Good” with little or NO oversight.
Of particular note is that they allow for putting ALL White People in the US under the gun for past “systemic racism”. The words are actually in the EO’s.
Theses are straight out of 1933 Nazis Germany with Chancellor (Puppet Master) Hitler in charge.
Let’s hope Justice Watch is on the job. Pretty sure that’s unconstitutional. Yeah, I know, so what?
This is exactly what they did in Killer Cuomo’s NY.
Our Legislature is also trying to pass a Gulag law that would allow the Health Department to set up detention camps for people with unspecified infectious diseases.
Where are all the “constitutional” Circuit judges that were confirmed while President Trump was in office? Why are none of them challenging any of these EO’s or actions as UN-constitutional?! We were told they would change the Circuit courts to uphold the Constitution!!
They were approved by Mitch. This always worried me.
History will judge these two impeachments as saying more about the corrupt Uniparty of this time period than the target of it’s wrath, President Trump, who tried to clean it up. He wasn’t successful but he did expose the principle members.
History will be erased or edited.
….erasure and editing is being done as we speak. *sigh*
Liberals write history, unfortunately. I can only imagine what the history books will teach about this period in American history in the classes of 2050.
Maybe he was more successful then we can give him credit for, given the out of proportion response we are seeing.
The Deep State’s Stealthy, Subversive, Silent Coup To Ensure Nothing Changes
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/deep-states-stealthy-subversive-silent-coup-ensure-nothing-changes
Who cares….
We have no rule off law..
We have no judicial system
It’s just bashing ..
But in their bubble of DC.. it makes sense..
I’m waiting .. but not on the politicians
impeachment..
who cares.. stolen election.. frauds in congress do they realy think that anything they do matters.. like impeachment matters..
I just wonder when some mid grade military persons say … starting a new war in Syria is nuts.. these politicians need to be removed..
Untill then
Who cares
The Generals say it is Preventive War which Eisenhower said was an invention of Hitler/
While the scale of the US is much larger, consider that there have been very Charasmatic Colonels in their respective Army, in Africa, Middle East and Europe who have fomented successful uprsings. While the major leadership of the US Military seems to have been seriously polluted at higher command and administrative levels, there are Division and Brigade Commanders of Combat Units who often have major Charastmatic appeal to the Troops, even Troops outside their commands due to the 3-5 year rotation policy for home basing.
There is some history behind what you say.
“He fomented insurrection! It was an attempted coup!” (clutching pearls). Sure, Jan. Because whenever you’re trying to topple a nuclear-armed superpower, you send in a couple of unarmed goobers in Viking outfits to steal a podium.
They exaggerate more than Baghdad Bob, way more!!
Don Jr. just posted a video on his official Telegram channel:
https://t.me/s/TrumpJr
https://t.me/TrumpJr
BIG ANNOUNCEMENT: I’m OFFICIALLY here on Telegram.
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Big Tech has gotten out of hand and it’s clear that many of you would like to connect on a platform that doesn’t stifle Free Speech – I hear you.
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I now have ownership of this channel and will be posting original content for you guys.
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STAY TUNED
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https://t.me/TrumpJr
Ownership?That sounds strange. This could be a hoax
Telegram is owned by some arabs in Qatar, I think.
He owns it now. See the video of him confirming it. The person who had it gave it to him when he asked for it. Immediately jumped up from under 100k subscribed to going on 1 million now.
Yes you are right, he owns that channel on telegram, the Don Junior Channel.
Awesome! Thanks!
This is simply another thing to laugh at friends. Don’t get distracted. DT excited on 1/20 he will not be running again for political office. This is actually something that turns people off so let them have at it. Like I said laugh when it makes sense.
Its not about just political office. It’s about secret service protection, DJT presidential library etc. All of which would disappear in an impeachment.
They want to utterly destroy the MAGA ideas as a movement. Where I agree with you is even if you scrub DJT from history (and they will give it their best) you cannot fight ideas with violence. America First is the right idea. Not just America, any country should fight for its citizens. That is the point of a sovereign nation under God.
I agree. DJT would be FAR more important in the capacity of a kingmaker. If he does not start a third party, then he needs to target every single RINO Senator up for re-election in 2022 and 2024. He should also go after the 10 RINO House members who voted to impeach him.
Next, Trump–again, if he does not start a 3rd party–should clean out the RINOs in the six contested battle-ground states. The Republicans were intolerably slow to challenge the almost immediately suspicious election results. None of the battle-round majority Republican state legislatures should have voted for certification.
Now, before someone reminds me the voting no longer matters, save your time–we ALL know it doesn’t. But if we don’t make the effort to remove RINO traitors by primarying them, then all we’re left with is submission to tyranny, or resistance by any means necessary.
Pres. Trump doesn’t need the presidential pension, he doesn’t need security, and he isn’t likely to run for office again. The problem with this trail is it slanders his movement as insurrectionist. The Deep State wants to discredit the movement.
The problem with this is the Constitution is being used to wipe their ass with and deep state coup.
The finger pointing at DJT is just the analogy of the pretty girl on the magicians stage, that distracts every one’s attention while the action happens in the other hand.
by any means necessary- the “club” – UniParty – the ruling oligarchs cannot allow even a glimmer of a threat from the “great unwashed” to intrude on their grand schemes…. EVER again… that’s the goal… that’s the message of this theater… there are few left in this “house of mirrors” that retain their soul – their integrity… their sense of right & wrong… that hold onto their honor… that understand their path before God…. their duty&obligations … if there be such PATRIOTS still residing in that “house of ill repute” they need to separate themselves from the riffraff . .. they need to stand tall.. sound off … this treachery has to end or maybe it’s too late for “self correction…”
These oligarchs, its still based on a system. The system is consumerism.
You can vote daily by being careful where your dollars go. We must all be aware, for instance if we are still on Facebook, Twitter and use Google and Amazon you can do better.
We must do this for the long haul and we must do this vigorously and with resolve. Yes it will be inconvenience but over time better alternatives will arise. Just like a forest fire, it will look nasty for a while and ugly, but in time new sprouts will bloom and fresh greens will rise.
Eisenhower said preventive war was an invention of Hitler. I rather imagine he would say the same thing about preventive impeachment.
My ex and I were discussing this over dinner. He is of the opinion that the target here is not so much Trump, but us. And that this is being done to goad us and force a fight so they can put us down like dogs. I have to admit, he has a point. Because this is coupled with “domestic terrorism”, “the Capitol riot”, “white supremacy”, etc. etc. Trump is being used as a lightning rod to spark off protests or any kind of action that can be labeled “violent”. If we don’t act, they’ll just get actors (Antfa) to play us.
When you think about it, this is the playbook they use to start wars abroad. False accusations, set-ups, etc., which they use to justify invasions and their own violence. Now they’re doing it at home. It’s amusement for them.
President Trump himself said the same thing many times: “They’re really after you. I’m just in the way”. I might have misquoted slightly, but that was the gist.
Labelling is a thing for the left. They will always label you.
They are screaming “Violent insurrectionist!” first and the first person who accidentally breaks a piece of glass they go “Oh oh, see there’s one!”
Never live your life under this! They will always find fault with you.
You have have your rights bestowed on you by the Constitution, the Charter of human rights and if you are religious by the holy bible. We should live true to the morals and values outlined, that we know our parents and grandparents and before have fought (and died) for.
If we live our lives within the boundaries of always trying to appease others and not do anything that at least 1 person will find fault in, then we will all be prisoners.
I think your ex is right. It’s what has been making sense to me for awhile now.
Particularly when I can “measure” just my own – private – reactions to it – Hot Anger.
Do we have this in us?
Does the tree of liberty this time actually need watering by the blood of peaceful patriots?
So sorry he’s your ex.
You should’ve kept him.?
This is SO STUPID.
Why do bad things happen to good people and NOTHING happens to these #DemScumbags?
I believe everything in the universe will balance out. Maybe not today, not in a month, but eventually every negative thing must have a positive thing. Every backstab will be equalized by a compliment.
I think there’s examples of this in nature all around. There’s no light without darkness, no life without something haven given its life for that life to exist. Many examples. That is why I think on the whole it will even out. It’s not going to help us from a “revenge” and “wishing someone they get what they deserve” “Why doesn’t it go faster” Rest assured things will even out regardless.
Yes I’ll do vote for you if you promise not to do anything for me. Don’t work. Never did anything for me anyway.
Has President Trump retained any good lawyers for this? Last I heard he took someone named Butch Bowers upon Lindsay Graham advice and recommendation! I think that is bad news! Supposedly his own attorneys are not helping. He needs some real help!
Someone quoted Dershowitz saying he would not take the case unless it was President Trump suing the Senate for illegal impeachment proceedings.
Lastly, the big question he would have to answer is: For what purpose did he he summon his supporters to D.C.?
“For what purpose did he he summon his supporters to D.C.?”
That’s the $64,000.00 question. Why did he direct them to go to the Capitol, and say “I’ll be there with you”, only to get into a car with Rudy, Don, Jr. and Eric and go back to the White House instead?
I agree. I have asked that many times myself, and have never seen it addressed.
There were going to be presentations at the Capital and there was a stage. People were scheduled to speak.
At 12:40 or so the Capitol was breached. At 13:10 or so DJT speech concluced.
It is reasonable to assume that DJT got in his ear that there was a riot at the Capitol by the time he got to his car. Or the secret service would have surely told him.
If you were reponsible for the safety of the president of the united states, would you let him walk into an Antifa riot?
I do remember there were speakers scheduled that day.
And yes, it makes sense, despite what his intentions were – President Trump likes to keep his word, there would be no way he would go to the Capitol once there was word of the “insurrection.”
I was one of those supporters who answered his call. I traveled from NY to DC to show PDJT, a man who I respect and adore, that I stand there in support of him physically and I wanted Congress to see ME and the many like minded, peace loving people who KNOW the election was stolen and that maybe the huge turnout would remind them that “We the People” are still out side their ivory tower. Crowds were huge and love was felt at his speech. Was a wonderful event until it wasn’t and the “wasn’t” was NOT due to Trump supporters. ANTIFA and BLM infiltrated crowds and changed the course of the day but that was only up at the Capitol. The majority of people there went to show solidarity with a President they love – it was truly a “people’s moment”.
As far as that goes – possibly that was his intention – to join his supporters over at the Capitol, but then word came of what happened and so he went back to the White House instead.
It wasn’t an insurrection, if you mean that. It was a march.
Yes, I don’t think it was either. But my own opinion is, he wanted us there to show how big our numbers are and we should mean something with legitimate concerns as much as, if not more so, than all the BLM/Antifa marches this past summer they all quaked in their boots over.
I just don’t know how he would answer that question.
But I really don’t know. I think they will recall up that tweet he did saying, “It’s going to be wild.”
I hope he has a good explanation. In addition, I think his speech might have changed from what he originally intended, as he heard that morning or sometime beforehand that Pence was not going to send it back to the states to audit the votes and hear the evidence.
He became aware of exactly what Pence was going to do as he was wrapping up his remarks. I was not there but listened to the entire speech.
At the beginning of the speech, he was talking about being hopeful of the action Pence would take.
As he was getting near to wrapping his speech, he said, “it’s not looking good with Mike, it’s not looking good”. At about the same time the Pence letter as to how he was going to proceed was published.
Anyone remember Encounter at FarPoint Startrek: TNG pilot?
Where Q put humanity on trial. I think it will be something like that. Steve Bannon mentions he needs to present evidence about fraud in the states, but I think if there is a trial it will be rigged, the evidence will be limited it will be a dog and pony show and the conclusion foregone.
It’s better go get the whole trial scrapped as a miscarriage of justice. I shirk at using Justice in that sentence cause Justice seems to have left the courts a while ago.
Yes, I hope someone is reading and they go the angle of Dershowitz and just counter sue with unConstitutional impeachment illegality and throw the damn thing out! Retain Dershowitz, hope he is still true to his principles.
Otherwise, it could morph like that stupid Mueller special counsel and get worse than initially thought because it’s a f-ing trap!
I think he needs to ignore it, get Dersh, and bring it to the Supreme Court.
It would make sense to keep Dershowitz for any subsequent legal action. That would be two fold, restitution for the deprivation of rights given to an individual under the constitution and the lack of any constitutional basis for this impeachment ( ultra vires )ie outside the rules.
Puts the SC right in the frame plus if Roberts sits in the Senate on the hearing, he is conflicted out of hearing the case subsequently.
This is a good example of their CRT equity theories, they are trying to force through an outcome which the law of the land does not support.
He summoned his supporters for a Peaceful Protest – so that we could stand as witnesses for President Trump and his voters – see Congress – here is a representative sample of the voters who’ve been cheated of their votes.
You must think strategically.
A trial is an opportunity to get the facts out and to do discovery. It is a chance to call witnesses and hire experts.
The charge is incitement. The prosecution charges that he lied about the election being stolen.
Make them prove it and let him provide evidence to the contrary, that he actually was speaking honestly.
This is a golden opportunity for Trump to marshal the resources to really look into the election, with the nation watching and bearing witness.
The mainstream media will try to not report the content of Trump’s defense.
However, the facts nonetheless will be out there for reference now and in the future, when hopefully the Patriot Party takes off.
Trump’s detailed and persuasive fact-laden defense will motivate the start of the new party.
Trump has the potential to make a huge win out of a Senate trial, giving him the limelight to make his case to the People.
Making his case to the People should be Trump’s focus, more than trying to “win” at the Senate trial.
In fact, losing there might be more of a win for Trump than defeating the impeachment.
Losing despite an avalanche of testimony and proof to the contrary would prove to the People that the Democrats are truly corrupt.
You have just laid out every reason NOT to do this. Why would they give him a chance to speak and defend himself. They wouldn’t and they won’t. They have something else planned.
You make an interesting point here.
The Senate will have to explicitly adopt rules governing the procedures for Trump’s trial. This will include presentation of evidence in his defense. (There is a useful historical summary at https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/R/R46185).
Alternatives historically are to allow direct witness testimony for either or both sides via supoena, or more indirectly, to establish a Senate committee to gather/hear the evidence, and report back to the whole Senate.
So it would seem critical for Trump to decide how he would like Senators to hear his evidence–directly through witnesses or indirectly through a committee report.
I would hope the former, so we the People can hear it too.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but there’s no trial in the United States in which the defendant is precluded from defending himself.
There’s one flaw is you assume it is a fair trial, and trials are no longer about fairness but “what can our side gain?”
In Congress they drummed up fabricated charges and they voted yes.
What makes you think the same thing cannot happen in the Senate?
Can the Senate put private citizens on trial? Can they put you on trial?
What is the path of appeals when you get convicted by the Senate? The Supreme Court? Do you even have standing in your own conviction of “The State” against a private citizen.
This is going to be a Gong show most likely if it is to proceed. A travesty of Justice, and Justice has left the building a long time ago.
Exactly. Justice is what ever they say it is. They change the rules as they go along. This is no longer the country we once had. It’s been an illusion for some time now.
Until we realize it is a whole new ballgame and play by there rules, unfortunately, we will not win any battles.
They have no rules. Just victory for them. That is the only rule.
Same questions I’ve been asking. By legitimizing an Unconstitutional process, one in which Roberts – according to someone earlier on this thread related from Rand Paul – will not preside – can you then discount their “verdict” once you’ve subjected yourself to the process?
I think it should be ignored.
But the bigger question I have is the one you mention here and I’ve made the same point earlier – does the Senate then propose that it has the power to conduct a trial of any private citizen? And if not, why not? It proposes to hold a trial for private citizen Donald Trump.
Doesn’t matter that Nazi Nancy is delivering an article of impeachment – she’s too late – the President cannot be removed from office, he left at the end of his term.
I do not trust this regardless of what opportunity we, or President Trump may think this presents.
I don’t think it’s right to legitimize an unconstitutional, illegal proceeding.
What happens if, by some miracle, we ever get another person of our choosing into the presidency?
Do we want that individual subject to the enemy’s unconstitutional actions, just because it was thought at one time, that it was expedient not to fight?
Exactly….this is a senate proceeding and thus a political and theatrical one. They will not be following any rule of law. In this court, the rules are what they say they are,
If they even have rules that allow him to defend himself at all, they’ve already stated he has to prove his innocence – not that they have to prove he is guilty. They will set a precedent that it is legal to have a trial of a private citizen in which the citizen is considered guilty and has to prove his own innocence in a crime.
They want to make the Constitution irrelevant.
Oh, heck, the Senate can just convict him for having “unbecoming conduct”. They can vote however way they want, especially if they’re out for blood, and use any excuse. I don’t think it’s really like a court of law, even though they are the lawmakers.
I think if there is a chance of suing the Senate for impeachment being illegal after leaving office, then maybe he can get it thrown out. This was supposedly Dershowitz, suggestion, I don’t know who hears that case, if it’s Supreme Court or not, if they have “standing”.
Exactly. Trump only got a fair trial because McConnell was in charge of the Senate at the time.
Chumer would NEVER allow Trump to present evidence. It will be a kangaroo court. Don’t take the bait Mr President.
I had heard someone, maybe a congressperson, say (sorry, I don’t have documentation, but just recall hearing it on talk radio) that they believed they could impeach Trump without a proper trial with evidence. That they could just go to a vote because the “evidence” of what Trump said that “incited” a riot was already out there publicly.
I wouldn’t put anything past them. It’s like the Tower of Babel — now that they speak the same language, nothing shall be impossible for them. (But then God stepped in and blew it up, so there’s that…)
This National Guard build up is DEMS PROJECTING!
They FEAR us.
There are more of US than THEM and they FEAR US uprising against them….
How they have treated the National Guard is appalling. We treat POW’s better than that.
President Trump put them up in his hotel when they were last there – not sleeping on cold cement in a dirty stained parking garage or on marble floors i the capitol. This is so disheartening and depressing. We voted for Trump and the imbecile stole it. Now I am ashamed again of this imbecilic leader. President Trump brought back some pride of country.
A lot of tough talk, but what are WE going to do about this? WE let this happen. can WE do anything to change the outcome?
Simple. Hurt the oligarchs where it hurts. Their wallets and stock prices.
You can’t be a tycoon if your income stream dries up.
You are so right!
Treeper, WE did NOT let this happen! We all voted for President Trump in massive numbers – he won! We did not know that they would rig the election with the assistance of our foreign enemies (China, Iran)! We did not know that the ENTIRE structure of the US government would be used against him/us to instil a fake, incompetent “president”.
In his first day he eliminated 10,000 jobs (KeyStone) and sent 1 Trillion USD abroad by re-joining the Paris deal. That is on day one, not a bad start for a good economy.
Now why the heck are things going so bad. Come on man!
China Joe – George Bush’s “savior” is doing a stellar job – ruining the country that is.
So Schumer is back. And Pelosi, both in the spotlight.
That is the key. Politics is about getting yourself in the spotlight, to make people think you are important. That you can do it with a show trial — ooh, legal trouble, you MUST be important, even LEGITIMATE — is icing on the cake.
This is a plea for their legitimacy, and an attempt to cast Trump as the illegitimate one.
Anybody notice the absence of “the honorable opposition”?
Just a hint that it is not politics anymore. It’s suppression and open tyranny. They are simply, and always, traitors (calling them crooks, or even mob bosses, is too mild a word, in a Democratic Republic; they are traitors to the nation’s very foundational ideas).
And drunk on power.
Impeachment is nothing more then SMOKE AND MIRRORS.
Pay attention as to what the Biden Administration is doing behind close doors.
https://bigleaguepolitics.com/release-them-all-tucker-exposes-full-biden-jailbreak-order-for-illegal-aliens/
yeah they see this impeachment as a 2 for 1 special….. never let a created crisis go to waste and all…
“I’m rubber and you’re glue; everything you say bounces off me and sticks to you.”
That’s about the level we are dealing with, with the Insane Left. Childish pretense, all the way down.
I am reminded of the middle school mentality!
Defies logic. Impeachment process is there to remove a ‘sitting’ high official (in this case a former president) initiated by congress with the hearing in the Senate. The Chief Justice is to preside over the impeachment of a sitting President. Article 2 to refers to the banning of an impeached official from future office as part of sentencing, its tied to the results of the impeachment not the purpose of it or you could impeach anyone from holding future office.
My question is how can you have a Senate trial with the chief justice presiding over a non-sitting president? Constitution is clear that the CJ will preside over the impeachment hearing of the ‘sitting’ president, which in this case is actually Biden. How can the Senate even have a trial over a public citizen? They have no ‘standing’. I guess this means we can impeach Obama for what he did wrt Bengazi, IRS, Fast Furious, meddling in an election and disrupting the smooth transfer of administrations.
This is unConstitutional. Why isn’t anyone filing suit to stop this?
For America’s ake, even if the president believes he can beat this?
Why do we just move in lockstep toward whatever they want to do to us? If no one “resists” this, we can just forget about resisting anything else.
Very hard to watch the Senate take on Impeachment for a former POTUS while new POTUS is enacting Executive Orders in his first week he promised he would not on campaign trail?
Accountability?
Democrats believe only that only Republicans will be hurt by this but Democrats should understand that as Democrats voters observe Biden’s economic policies, their ire will hit the Dems.
First they stole our vote, now they hope to limit those we can vote for.
To the good people posting in the comments:
4 years of absolute lawlessness and zero accountability for the ruling class with the help of a complicit and largely ignorant press and yet we are still here discussing “rules” and “laws.” Perhaps you missed the culmination of all of this, the coup de grâce if you will, which was preventing any legitimate discussion of election fraud by means of portraying a small group of protesters as part of an armed insurrection whose goal was taking hostages and overthrowing the government. Anybody who has a minimal understanding of history knows that is not an accurate portrayal of the events which unfolded on that day, but once again a willing press went along with the scheme in order to provide smoke and mirrors cover for yet another impeachment proceeding. Truly a radical’s wet dream!
All of the ensuing discussion about “they cannot do this, it is against the law” or “they cannot do this, it is against the rules” needs to be stopped immediately so that you may now face reality. The ruling class has been ignoring laws and rules for many years, perhaps only now it has become more brazen and emboldened by the fact that every time it happens, there is no accountability for their actions; instead, they are rewarded with promotion. Is that not what we are now seeing the current appointments and rolling back of EOs?
The goal of the impeachment process in absentia is to prevent the Donald from ever holding public office again. Can they do it? Absolutely. The new rules are there are no rules.
Many times I wished that the majority of the citizens of the US had a more in-depth understanding to regime change and control; there are so many examples of the US doing this in foreign countries that a keen observer would see similar patterns within US borders. It is difficult to believe, but it is right in front of you. It is saddening to see that there are no good men and women in the public eye, save for 3 to my knowledge, who are willing to do anything about this mess in which we are currently engulfed.
This in a nut shell and Quid Pro Joe keeps Wray! How is that for in your face?
Armchair Quarterback, why not keep Wray? He has done a stellar job of not investigating anything the democrat criminals do.
Impeach who? He’s not President anymore. Dopes
Biden is senile, he has no clue about what’s going on around him. Somebody else is governing and we have no ideal who.
Yes the USA has a mystery President behind the senile planted fraud.
Lawfare. The people running Lawfare.
The left’s grip on power is tenuable at best and they know it. They only stole the election and barely got away with it because the Republican party let them. They will not repeat it in 2024. They can’t defeat Trump. If they thought they won they won’t be desperately trying to Impeach him. He will remain a thorn in their side for the next 4 years and then he will take back the WH in 2024.
Twitter’s ban of Trump hurt the company more than it hurt Trump. It was an own goal. Who told you the left was smart.
I do believe we let them steal it. Ultimately we are in control, how come we did not organize really large protests in the 6 swing states between nov 3rd and Jan 6th. We had too much faith in a system that no longer exists.
Agree. That is where it was stolen. That was the only place it could have been corrected. I’m not buying that the Legislatures couldn’t bring themselves back into session. If that is the case, changing that rule should have occurred on day 1 of their new session.
The only way out I see is if, BIG IF, if the military does the right thing and send the hippies in DC running.
The military can save this country, But we the people can’t at this point. They are unleashing the might power of the US Gov against us. We will all be Flynn, Roger Stone… without Sidney Powell and declassification or pardon
Or Texas and Florida can secede. But the fight will be ugly. The RINOs will fight us and they will be backed by the Saul Alinky Luciferians who rule this country.
If you see the Luciferians/ Saul Alisnky purging the military is all over…
Wait… They are already making the list, investigation is on to see which ones are on our side.
I don’t think we have much time before they control the most powerful military in the world. I mean, they are investigating loyalty right now, As soon they act on it, they will gladly use it against us, It’s coming.
Lucifer’s army will be unleashed against us.
BIden is senile, incapacitated.
Who is really governing? We have the right to know.
Kleen, you are asking the most pertinent and critical question on the board this morning. The persons leading the charge are not Biden, Harris, Schumer, or Pelosi. Someone or some group is deeply engaged for this all to come together as quickly as it all did.
They are impeaching 75 million Americans. They may be making Trump even more important than he would be otherwise. After all, 4 years is a long time for a 74 year old man. Impeachment will do little to quell the resentment that fueled MAGA. It will only serve to deepen the sense that those with a different point of view than the Left is not only not worthy of consideration but not worthy of existence. It remains to be seen who or what will emerge to galvanize the deplorables.
Ron DeSantis
Impeach porpaganda Dem pelosi schumer schiff these are nothing more Than coward Deep state coup’s,
Y’all need to calm down.
The idiots in congress aren’t doing anything useful. Instead, they’re acting on their out-of-control emotions and trying to impeach a man in the senate who does not hold any impeachable office. It’s no different than a baker yelling “you’re fired!” at the postman as he walks by. We’re just watching a pack of pukey weasels go into fits because they hate Donald Trump so much.
Impeachment is to remove from office. This is a show trial.
A show trial with the senate seeing as judge and jury.
There is no judicial, SCOTUS, oversight, not that judicial oversight would make a difference.
Since posting links causes more work for our Treeper brethren, just to over to Don Surber’s site for commentary on impeachment as well.