Senator Ted Cruz appears on Sunday morning to discuss the process of challenging the electoral college certification with Maria Bartiromo (CFR). Senator Cruz (TX) discusses his recent decision to assemble with several GOP Senators after Senator Josh Hawley (MO) announced his intent to challenge the certification.
https://youtu.be/mHuz1UqXRa8
Within the interview Senator Cruz notes the Supreme Court has deferred any election challenge to the legislative branch; which -in his view- should have been permitted to be argued in the court.
However, setting aside political motives for a moment, the two legal and legislative issues discussed within the conversation (Guarantee Clause and Electoral Count Act) highlight a constitutional framework that does sit outside the judicial branch for resolution.
The main question is… does the legislative branch still have enough strength within the institution to follow the constitutional process? THAT is the element where the unknowns exist.
On one-hand we see a corrupted DC body, infecting all institutional processes – across all branches of government, that has allowed severe corruption to take hold. On the other hand, thanks to the foresight of our founding fathers, the process for rectifying that corruption still exists.
[Article IV – Sec.4] The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence.
“The Guarantee Clause” – “At its core, the Guarantee Clause provides for majority rule. A republican government is one in which the people govern through elections. This is the constant refrain of the Federalist Papers. Alexander Hamilton, for example, put it this way in The Federalist No. 57: “The elective mode of obtaining rulers is the characteristic policy of republican government.” [citation] “The Clause requires the United States to prevent any state from imposing rule by monarchy, dictatorship, aristocracy, or permanent military rule, even through majority vote. Instead, governing by electoral processes is constitutionally required.”
Additionally, The Electoral Count Act or the Electoral Count Act of 1887 is a US federal law stating procedures for the counting of electoral votes by Congress following a presidential election. It was enacted in the aftermath of the disputed 1876 presidential election between Rutherford B Hayes and Samuel J Tilden. In that election, several states submitted competing slates of electors and a divided Congress was unable to resolve the deadlock. [citation]
Essentially, the Electoral Count Act (1887) requires states to complete their certification of electors to congress by a certain date. The conversation prior to the November 2020 election surrounded whether the COVID pandemic would interfere with the deadlines for state elector certification given the massive numbers of ‘mail-in’ ballots; and whether the counting of them would break through the deadlines imposed by the Act.
A combination of The Guarantee Clause (constitution) and the Electoral Count Act of 1887 (law), establishes the framework for some to argue a fraudulent 2020 election result can successfully be challenged during congressional certification on January 6, 2021. Thus five state legislatures -under Republican control- have sent dual-sets of electors to congress: Arizona, Nevada, Wisconsin, Georgia and Pennsylvania.
Let us be clear… There is little framework for this type of constitutional issue. This is uncharted territory, and consequently there is no body of law or case study upon which to apply a historic reference. However, that said, the issue of Director of National Intelligence, John Ratcliffe, producing a report about foreign election interference could be a fulcrum issue upon which “The Guarantee Clause” of the constitution may apply.
Here’s where it gets interesting…. The Guarantee Clause puts the jurisdiction in the hands of the political bodies, executive branch and legislative branch, to decide the merit of any state vulnerability in their election outcome. There is little, if any, place for the judicial branch to play a role.
In Luther v. Borden (1849), the Supreme Court held questions involving the Guarantee Clause nonjusticiable, meaning that any remedy for a violation would lie with Congress or the President, not the federal judiciary.
Nearly one hundred years later, the Court sweepingly declared that the guarantee of a republican form of government cannot be challenged in court. Colegrove v. Green (1946). (citation)
The federal government, not the state government, ultimately holds the responsibility to protect the entire United States from foreign interference within the Guarantee Clause. This would seem to apply to foreign election interference. “[B]ecause protection against invasion or domestic violence is normally available only from Congress and the President, the structure of this section suggests that the political branches have at least the primary duty to carry out its obligations.”
If DNI Ratcliffe produces a report (prior to January 6th) that outlines foreign interference in the election; and if the argument can be made the states with the contested (dual sets) of electors were subjects/targets of that interference; then a foundation to nullify the electors from the contested states is laid in congress.
In this approach the electoral nullification argument would appear to rest on The Guarantee Clause; where the state election outcome was not valid – as it is not representative of a republican form of government, and the majority vote requirement was manipulated.
If this type of legislative challenge was to take place, there is little precedent for the judicial branch to be involved except to qualify what role The Guarantee Clause would/could play and to what extent the nullification arguments are constitutionally valid.
Again, this is all uncharted territory. However, there are people claiming this process could work to keep President Trump in office. The disqualification of the contested state electors under this argument would ultimately fall upon Vice President Mike Pence who is also President of the Senate and in charge of the January 6th electoral vote certification.
There is a lot of “if-this-then” etc within this framework, and all of it ultimately is predicated on congress challenging the election; and VP Mike Pence then deciding which electors would be certified or nullified; that seems to be the main argument.
Support for this approach would be enhanced if the Ratcliffe report was published prior to the January 6th assembly. Which begs the question: why is DNI John Ratcliffe taking so long to produce his report?
Last thought… I have absolutely no idea if this can work, I am just summarizing a set of theoretical arguments that have surfaced. Remember, we all want the best outcome for our nation and nerves are frayed…. let us be kind to each-other in fellowship.
You think Ted Cruz is really a Christian?
We will soon find out.
What influence in fact have Christian ecclesiastical establishments had on civil society? In many instances they have been upholding the thrones of political tyranny. In no instance have they been seen as the guardians of the liberties of the people. Rulers who wished to subvert the public liberty have found in the clergy convenient auxiliaries. A just government, instituted to secure and perpetuate liberty, does not need the clergy.
(James Madison, “The Father of the United States Constitution”)
The good book says:
“You are a royal Priesthood”
Let no man be called “Reverend”
“We are all competent to counsel”
Do not forsake meeting together
Submit to one another as to the Lord
Count one another as better than yourselves
It also says:
As for me and my house we will serve the Lord
God made his son to sit at his right hand and have dominion over all the creation
Do not be yoked with unbelievers
Our founders may not have known what they were doing and writing, but the Creator (or Lincoln’s “Maker”) sure as hell knew what he was doing when he inspired them.
That’s a lot to chew on in fellowship
God is here, and He is watching us. Be loyal to our Savior.
It sure seemed like the Roman Catholic Church had more than a little to do with Poland’s removal of the communist yoke.
Have you ever served in an “ecclesiastical institution”? I have: in two churches in two denominations. I have been fighting against corruption within the institutionalized church – often alone, as “the man in the arena” – since I was nineteen. Having stated that, I will dispute Madison’s explicit (and thus your implicit) assertion.
There would be no “civil society” – in the form of Western Civilization – without Biblical Christianity, which, inevitably, is primarily disseminated via ecclesiastical establishments. Those ecclesiastical establishments preserved history, established literacy, prompted the arts (painting, sculpting, music), and generally helped civilize the populace. Individual persons, Christians or not, could never have produced the enduring philosophy, literature, art, music, et cetera, that is our rich inheritance.
This nation was predominantly founded by Christians who believed in unalienable rights endowed by the Creator. Did those Christians all avoid association with any ecclesiastical establishment?
Humanity is fallen – and that subverts all human institutions – and all persons (including the vaunted James Madison): All! The idea that one can establish a “just government” without any specifically Christian influence is absurd. One has only to compare the American Revolution to the French Revolution to see the hubris beneath Madison’s hypothesis: Atheism and decadence underwrote the latter, and it was certainly a less civil revolution. (See Leftism: From de Sade and Marx to Hitler and Marcuse by Austria-born Erik von Kuehnelt-Leddihn.)
The Frankfurt School emphatically included “ecclesiastical institutions” in its Long March. Seminaries have become hotbeds for Cultural Marxist ideology: They are now heresy factories (e.g., the “Evangelical” Fuller Theological Seminary). We are living with the result: Civil society is dying.
If those ecclesiastical institutions had never had any salutary effect on our previously far more civil society, then the concerted infiltration and subversion of them by the followers of Antonio Gramsci and Herbert Marcuse would have been entirely gratuitous!
Setting aside all grand themes, I assert this: Ultimately, it is the individual, not society, that is more real. Any time a member of the clergy has risked his own life and liberty to safeguard one person at risk, then the “liberties of the people” have indeed been preserved. That has happened innumerable times in history. It happened in World War II. Those members of the clergy rarely were lionized, and many suffered for their sacrifices. Those sacrifices for others’ liberties alone makes Madison’s categorical statement a lie.
Thomas Paine, a Utopianist, was also wrong in his philosophy: Denial of Original Sin is the origin of all leftism. Being a Founding Father matters not if one is wrong.
Jesus Christ opposed corruption in the ecclesiastical institutions of his day, but he did not therefore direct his disciples to reject all congregational establishment; he instructed them on how to do it better. Given a choice between believing The Son of God or The Father of the United States Constitution, I will choose the former.
Sin will always compromise all human endeavor; there will never be any perfect “just government” on this Earth. Secularizing any attempt to establish one only makes the result worse. Look at communist China. Look around you!
Well said brother!
Today I was reading about St. Francis. I can’t think of one church or one group or part of any of any society that wasn’t changed or didn’t learn from him, and he learned all he knew from God, specifically Jesus Christ.
He was part of an institutional church, yet his influence came from how he personally lived his life.
This is true of many of the early church Fathers and of many we call saints and even many others who aren’t called saints, even of today. They inspire and influence.
Just typing this about Francesco makes me smile. His life still touches people.
I’m more worried about Ratcliffe.
Anyone with a close relationship to Trey Gowdy, in my book needs scrutiny.
I vividly remember the rat Gowdy calling Ratcliffe repeatedly, “my good buddy Johnny”. ugh.
Cruz is a good man, and he will perform for this Republic.
There are many Snakes within the Republican Party. I don’t have name names, do I ?
Excellent post SD – as usual.
^^^^ditto^^^^
And where is the DNI report? Another so-called PDJT ally dragging his feet to produce evidence which would show foreign interference. WHERE IS RATcliffe? Hiding or working? Did he already give the report to PDJT? Why did Peter Navarro have to come up with his own election report?
Something does not sit right with me on this. Kicking the can down the road…to what end? WE KNOW PDJT won…by a landslide. Are we going to see the evidence Wednesday? I am hoping and praying that Pres Trump gives a few hints at his rally in Georgia.
Given Trump’s belief in the Art of War one can hope or surmise that he is waiting until this week to release the Hounds so as to catch the culprits and not allow them any way out therefore cornering then with no way out by showing the fraud.
I do not trust Cruz and his Commission to do the right thing.
Hope so FLA Fred!! And I agree about Cruz…not to be trusted at all. NO commission coming out of the US CONgress will do a damned thing about a fraudulent election. It’s been going on so long it is part of the landscape of an election. Voter ID and a stained finger works very well in other countries!
Your crypt is awaiting you, go lay in it.
What do you mean by that?
Bless not curse. He is not the enemy. People grow frustrated, it’s human.
We can help each other.
Sorry, that “release the hounds stuff” is no longer believable.
I know I am not a patient person and only believe Trump has been waiting for the last minute to release any evidence to not allow the culprits any recourse. The next few days will tell.
There’s literally no evidence that Trump is waiting until the last minute to do something huge.
None.
We’ve been hearing next month or next week or the next few days or the next few weeks for 4 years now about every single issue.
Okay Justin Green.
Please sit down and take some breaths into a bag. I have a smidgen of hope that there has been some information held back for purposes to keep the media at bay. however, that does seem difficult to believe.
::::deep breaths::::
Exactly.
There is literally NO evidence that President Trump is NOT waiting until the last minute to do something huge.
None
I actually walked over the London Bridge in Arizona.
Am I hearing “trust the plan”?
No see above comment. I am not a believer in the Q stuff.
Fair enough.
No I believe it was “Trust PDJT”
If they can pull off the delay for the audit ,it gives Rudy time to flip state legislatures.
If he can do that it would be tough for Supreme Court to override 150 years of rulings on Legislatures controlling electors.
Time for tick tock has passed. No more hope porn BS.
So defeat porn is OK? Go home and sew some white flags, at least your heart will be in it.
I think you may have misunderstood Justin’s comment.
No hope porn will work if Biden is installed. The Constitutional Republic of America will then have fallen to electoral fraud.
This is now almost certain to happen, unless the likes of Cruz is told his offer of more hope porn is rejected.
This means you need a plan to win back the American Constitutional Republic. Hope is not a plan. The very politicians who have failed to stop electoral fraud in 2020 cannot offer hope about 2022 or 2024.
Stopping a Biden installation will be far easier than trying to recover a Constitutional Republic after the ballot box is no longer an option. And the hour is so late there is only one way to stop it now. That is to tell the “elite” what will really happen if they go through with their plan.
Joe BURDEN.
He will never be president.
He is the hope porn of the dems.
He is going to concede.
He has no other alternative: he lost.
To be fair, the “defeat porn” has a much better track record over the past two years than the hope porn we’re continually being fed.
Depends on if the glass is seen as half empty or half full.
Pessimist view vs Optimist view.
John Roberts has just validated his Passport. Hmm.
The easiest way is for Pence to say that given the fraud that happened in AZ, PA, GA, WI, MI and NV, those states won’t have electors counted. Not for Biden, not for Trump. Therefore, neither of them will have 270 electors. Then it will go to the House, with 1 vote per state delegation and, since the Republicans have a majority of States, Trump will win.
In my mind, even if it could come down to the state delegations voting, the Repubiclan led legislatures would lack the courage to do the right thing. I live in Michigan, which has a Repubiclan-majority legislature, and I have no doubt that these cowards would vote for Bidet. No doubt at all.
They have said so in replies to me. My rep’s aide actually uses liberal sources in answering my concerns. Thoroughly disgusted.
I hope I’m wrong!
But i can easily see mittens, Murkowski, and the rino coalition stabbing the Republic in the back!
Wouldn’t the State Legislators cast the vote?
In a real vote, who would win as the ugliest, Pelosi, or Murkowski? I vote for the later.
Yep.
A “commission”… how nice. Anything to deflect and avoid duty.
The only commission they need is 10 house and senate members for 2 full days to evaluate the evidence to date that we have. That is all they need.
Cruz is the Good Guy, and we shall see his Performance in Spades. Take it to the Bank. God is watching. Trump never looses. Winning is what counts. Jan. 6th, 2021 in D.C.
I found it telling that he wants the decision in the power of a senate committee that he controls rather than the states where the Constitution says the buck stops. He never even mentions the state legislatures.
Cruz’ explanation is slanted. Listen the 1/2/2020 episode of the War Room where Dr. John Eastman, a Constitutional lawyer for PDJT, laid it out.
A ‘commission’ is an absolutely horrible idea at this time and this place. It will be ‘bi partisan’ and will produce nothing definitive. Is this Ted Cruz’s idea? Whoever has proposed this should receive a well-placed and vigorous kick.
Commissions produce bureaucratic, double-talk, betlwayspeak, noncommittal, weasel wordy, mealy-mouthed mishmash. It will take a kick at President Trump and mumble nonsense about the process and electoral college. It will conclude zero, unless its to honor the electoral process and attempt to stop the process of certifying state votes. The Republicans need to object to this and absolutely not allow for stalling and diversion. The evidence is abundant and the American people have seen it.
The concept of a ‘commission’ at 11:59 with all the chips in the pot is a terrible idea. The Republicans must reject this and get down to business and debates in House and Senate and the rejection of votes from states with electoral fraud.
They said it would be “delayed” which I took to undoubtedly mean after senile pervert Beijing Biden is sworn in “So as to be better prepared next time.”
Exactly! That is why Trump has to go for their jugular this week and release all the evidence to coincide with the march. And I believe that is Trump’s plan because the weeks after Nov. 3 have brought the crooks, traitors and weasels out into the open for all to see.
Agree Fla Fred. POTUS already had an opportunity to meet with Ratcliffe to discuss his report en route to the Army/Navy game and discuss timing of release to coincide with other activities this week. I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s held until Tuesday, so McConnell doesn’t have time to scheme like he did when Sen Hawley committed to objecting with this commission which I don’t trust at all.
If you watched the interview, Cruz said after the Georgia election… if it all goes the Dems way, that the very next day we’d be hearing from even more GOPers in the House and Senate. If Georgia really is the last stronghold, all hell seems to be ready to break loose on Wednesday.
Here we go again with a mysterious report that never materializes.
You (well, I) know it’s bogus, because “foreign interference” is bogus. We know the election officials in the states involved did it. “Foreign interference” is just another “look, a squirrel” for you to lose your way chasing.
It amazes me that people, even here, constantly do this, throw away their proper focus and waste everyone’s time and energy on misdirection that is false on its face. We are dealing with TREASON here, not foreign interference.
I hope it’s more than hints
Ratcliffe’s not sitting in the wire room, looking at bank records or going through emails. He’s not an intel analyst, he’s reliant on the existing structure. In other words, the deep state. Guaranteed there are multiple power struggles going on right now within NSA, DOD, CIA, DSS, etc. People trying to protect themselves, conceal their own foreign collusion, cover for Biden and get Trump out of there.
Nobody more so than the Turtle. Mitch used to be a guy I respected for many reasons. But not anymore.
I do not have any faith in Radcliffe. Whether because of Grenell or not, Mitch still confirmed him. Anyone that Mitch confirmed must be looked at with suspicion. Just because he made a few good speeches during impeachment doesn’t mean he is a white hat with principle. There is a long list of people we thought were going to bring the kraken and none did. Gowdy is the all time example of someone that talked a good game, then proved to be full of sh*t.
And Miss Linsdey… remember his epic melt down in the chamber where he yelled at the Dems, “I HOPE YOU NEVER GET POWER BACK AGAIN … EVER!!”
Almost had me believing him…
Yep, after Lindsey said that, both sides of the aisle probably went behind closed doors and gave each other a high five. I’m sure they most likely congratulated Lindsey on his outstanding theatrics. ?
Why when I like post a red flad thing comes up, I didn’t click on it???
Also how to edit?
Move your pointer to the upper right, and you will be greeted.
Dee, move the pointer to the bottom right of your comment square after you post your comment. A little grey wheel will appear/click on it/ and the word “edit” will show underneath it. Click on edit till the comment moves and you can edit your comment. Then “save.”.
He is the Poster Child of Corruption. Still has the scent of Mcshame on his pants.
The DNI is a political appointee. If Trump goes, Ratcliffe goes. It is not the same as confirming a person for the federal judiciary. Because of the limited tenure of the DNI, Mitch would not have much to worry about in the big picture.
@ Chip…TURDle confirmed him because he thought Grenell would stay in Germany as the ambassador. He had no Idea Trump would move him into another position, and once confirmed, he doesn’t have to be again. Grenell is one of the few Trump/USA loyalists.
Follow the money. They are all in it deep.
“Art of the Steal” report by Peter Navarro was shared in a Zoom call, Saturday Jan 2 with 300 legislators in six battleground states, who were furious. Will be made public, Monday Jan 4. It is the STATES who should be shamed into honest action.
It’s easy to get anxious and frustrated we don’t know all that’s going on. Just keep faith and continue to pray and contact your representatives and any and all things you know to do. We must be patient. Easier said than done but it can be done.
I don’t think we will see evidence this Wednesday, at least not the tsunami, but it will be cumulative. The main thing is that President Trump did win on Nov 3, 2020 and he is not conceding and neither are we.
This struggle and war against this coup could take longer than we thought. We are at war.
I think Jan 6th will be setting things in place, not the end all so please don’t expect the war to be won on that one day.
But we will win the war because fraud always unravels.
And Trump will win because Trump already won. We all saw him win.
At this point it is having our win restored and/or recognized and if they refuse, then we will simply take it.
3 Strikes – Murkowski, Romney, Collins……
We shouldn’t be surprised if Murkowski and Romney strike a deal with Schumer to declare themselves as independents who will be caucusing with the Democrats, thereby handing control of the Senate to the Democrats in return for many political and financial favors.
Hard to enjoy the fruits six feet under.
There is no version of this which ends well. The Government Party is simply *not* going to allow Trump to remain President.
@ hokkoda. agree. But what they don’t realize is that when the cities start to burn, their life insurance premiums will increase. There are a lot of nutcases like Antifa basement breeders that do Not have party affiliation. They will target all of the Uniparty. Both Piglosi and TURDle got their homes vandalized recently, probably by Antifa.
And if many of us sit and do nothing we deserve our just deserts. They do not expect us to revolt but we must. If Bidet is seated for the full 4 years as they did to Trump.
Doubt the Pubs have any spine to start special counsels on Hunter and Joe but they should and them impeach, make their lives as miserable as they have Trumps.
We all know they will persecute trump and his family and friends when he leaves office that is why he must drop the EO and the insurrection act or he is a dead man and he knows it.
If the state legislatures decertify and move to Trump, he wins.
Except for Collins…Murkowski and Romney live in states filled with Patriots. I would not make an intentionally WRONG decision, to satisfy my ego, or paymasters, at the risk of suffering the wrath of truth seeking conservative voters. I don’t denigrate Collins constituents, but am ignorant of her fellow citizens, and their fealty to truth and honor, vs. momentary political expediency. In these times of “us” vs. “them”, even a scallawag must pay attention to the result of his (or her) duplicity, regarding locals.
What a fraudster – a commission? Gimmie a break. Anything to prevent senators from standing up and arguing …fraud.
Note he doesn’t give examples – and there are so many – of the fraud. He doesn’t talk about the forensic audit is needed – he just says “audit” – well what happens when that “audit” comes back just as Bill Barr did and says “no fraud here”
Feicken con. He should be demanding the machines need to go to forensic team – but just on face of law fact is both PA and aha violated their own state statues. The 3am ballot stuffing the stop counting and no GoP witnesses – instead he wants a commission. Bloody con.
agreed…it sounds like this is a sham device to pretend an investigation is going to be done. The fraud has already been exposed and Cruz pretends like they need to dig deeply to find out what happend. Why doesn’t he mention the observers being sent home late at night and recount restarted or the suitcases under the tables pulled out, or the Dominion machines clearly proven to be able to change votes. This is a complete whitewash and a stall. The commission isn’t going to find anything substantial to change or do anything but will develop some recommendations for future elections.
About those observers… why did they leave? Why didnt they just say, “um no.. we are going to be here as long as you are.” How did the Democrats get control of every precinct and become everyone’s mothers? Why didnt our observers tell them to get bent??
They were tired and ready to go home… and they trusted the system.
“a commission”
Sure, now that the Dominion machines that should have been seized and analyzed nationwide based upon the incredible forensic report on the Michigan machines alone have all been wiped.
No more commissions, no more hearings, no more hang wringing, moaning, excuses. Do it.
“Gulp. You-you- you mean act decisively and produce results?”
I went back to listen to this again because he sounds like he’s grandstanding. Maria asked a very WHAT IF question and he went off on a tagent and never answered it.
Seems Maria asked that what if question twice…..what if you find fraud…..I believe Cruz said that if fraud was substantial enough to affect the results of the State then its electors would not be counted? Or am I confusing some other thing I read or listened too. Its all starting to be a blurr…..
Already proven substantial, Ly’n Ted.
Theater. It’s a Republican specialty.
The idea that we’re at a point where a commission is necessary demonstrates the system/government is totally broken, especially the senate. There should’ve been a way to address election fraud through other venues by now but the fact the courts will not listen to the evidence just confirms that corruption is deep.
It’s just their way of telling us, “Your lying eyes and common sense are worthless; only our expert statesmanship can judge these important matters”.They are always desperate to grab the high ground of who can speak authoritatively, and who cannot be allowed to be heard at all.
A commission is an insult to all of us who KNOW.
There will probably be no commission.
It’s good optics for my senator though.
Snake oil “Lyin Ted”.
???
Exactly. There is no acceptance of documented fraud. He wants to find if there was such.
Instead, he should be pointing to people on video, in emails, etc., where obvious fraud is in living color.
And then arrest on criminal or treason charges. At the least be screaming for a grand jury for indictments.
But a commission?
Sundance, Once again you got me; “The Man In The Arena”.
(wiping eyes, sniff, sigh… Now sitting tall).
Thanks
yes, I loved that so much, too – so proud of our President Trump and these words of Teddy Roosevelt perfectly describe him
I’m hoping the Ratcliffe report will be a welcome surprise before the 6th.
How probable is it that what Radcliffe produces will be so compelling as to convince the Senators and Reps that the electoral challenges should be upheld? Perhaps he’s got intercepts relative to the timing of the steal, the manipulation of the Dominion machines, etc.
EVEN IF HE HAS THAT KIND OF CONVINCING EVIDENCE no dem rep or senator will ever vote to accept the objection. They will go blatantly insane like the OJ jury. And we’ve already heard from Pierre Delecto and his lame-brained pals. They will refuse reality on process grounds.
It is imperative that Trump publicly disclose the ODNI evidence – sources and methods be damned-prior to the august bodies’ deliberations so that they know we know, and that Pence knows they know we know.
Then when Pence invalidates the whole tangled mess coming out of the house and senate “deliberations” the public, except for the nut cases, will accept his decision and societal damage will be limited.
The Supreme Court had no problem deciding the 2000 election….
That’s because it was between two globalist candidates.
William Rehnquist was Chief Justice at that time. A great jurist.
Ted Cruz…clerked for Rehnquist.
I have “some” reservations about the true motives and capabilities of Cruz in this current situation. But there is NO DOUBT, the man is competent, well experienced, and influenced by some of the brightest legal minds to ever drape the courts.
As Sundance has pointed out, the current legal maze is very complicated, and there isn’t a concrete way to nail down the outcome.
here is where this boils down to. And this is where someone LIKE Cruz (AND PENCE, keep that in mind) can truly correct this dumpster fire.
WILL POWER. GUTS. COURAGE. FORTITUDE. THE POWER OF PERSUASION…DEAL MAKING…
and yes,
compromises.
this will of course end up as a legal matter and I have some serious problems with the precedent that may be set here if that legal matter is achieved ….It DEPENDS ENTIRELY ON THE CONTEXT AND THE SUBSTANCE (authentic and durable) of How the disputes are handled.
I am QUITE prepared to accept that strange and disgusting compromises will be made. It’s just the way that DC operates. The parasites just love these situations. They can sell their votes for very high prices in such crisis. I’m prepared to accept that, even if I hold firm on my own personal principle. The IS a higher goal here. And this is to establish a specific and narrow application of the rule of law IN CONGRESS when all other options HAVE FAILED to solve it.
I would seriously HOPE that Pence is NOT the firewall to defend against the probable failure of congress to get it’s head together and solve this….But it may wind up being just that.
There are other options beyond that…but I don’t care to mention them as they carry even more serious effects that have unintended consequences for a very very long time..perhaps even permanently.
I do TRUST TRUMP! if this things goes sideways, I do believe he will do the right thing. I do not believe he will allow this corruption to run its course and ruin the votes of Millions of lawful patriots. it’s just not in his DNA.
and if he isn’t successful….then it’s in MY DNA…and yours too….and you…over there…you too.
Also remember PT asked Cruz to argue his case if it made it to the SC…….if that counts for anything……
President Trump is not alone.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQlW8Uvz6D0
The USSC ruled that the Florida Legislature was authoritative in matters of election law. 2000 was ultimately decided by state law. If the same standard were to be applied here, Michigan, Georgia, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Arizona (and possibly Nevada) would decertify and declare for Trump.
The federal government was created by the states and remains subject to them.
Anyone thinking the legislative body will provide a solution to this fraud is dreaming. The only way this fraud gets rectified is through action via the military at the request of the Commander-in-Chief. Military tribunals need to take place.
I agree. This problem is NOW and involves Trump NOW, but actually this moment determines “all future moments”. If We the People allow election fraud and OUR political (deep state) abuse to determine this event, we set the precedent for every future election. Martial law can solve multiple problems, first it will allow Military Tribunals to investigate and prosecute the election fixers. Secondly it will allow a framework for re-vote(s) either generally or specifically in the contested States. Thirdly our Military can end the chronic and slow boiling (paid) insurgency involving several Blue cities and states. Fourthly, Military Tribunals may prosecute sedition conspirators already identified, yet never indicted by the DOJ. Lastly, the procedures for an orderly and valid re-vote, especially concerning Registration, ID, Residency, Addresses and names of voters, signatures of voters and election rules, hand counts and tallies reported at the end of voting day, may be employed by the states in future. One EO can result in the repair of many “broken” elements in our Republic. The re-vote will probably bring POTUS to his second term, and popular goodwill might facilitate necessary Constitutional amendments regarding term limits and Congressional structure so desperately needed. Abe Lincoln successfully employed ML, and I would argue NOW our Republic faces circumstances at least as dire as those encountered during the Civil War.
Insurrection Act.
Trump has this.
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This is where the Theology and life experience of The Founders was so important. They viewed human beings as not only able to commit wrongs, but hard-wired to commit wrongs. So The Founders wrote multiple-redundancy correction mechanisms into The Constitution.
I’m sick of hearing about people with “deep concerns”. The election was STOLEN – there is no need for a commission to examine anything more. Throw out the fraud electors!
EXACTLY.
Congress is not going to do that both Houses have to agree to throw out Delegations .
The Legislatures in the States must flip.
Supreme Court has held 3 times in last 150 they have the last say.
Pennsylvania and Wisconsin Legislatures are in session on 1/5 and 1/4 Georgia and Arizona on 11th and Michigan on the 13th. Cruz’s 10 days would make that all possible.
I agree, the best path is a delay of the count, Ideally with VP Pence stating he will not choose between dual slates, only State Legislature certified. This would force the hand of the State Rinos to stand and deliver.
Indeed. But does the Constitution support a delay.
Wait … we were told nearly two months ago that these RINO State Legislatures would do the right thing by voting to select Trump electors and if necessary rescind the Biden electors. Now we expect them to do it within the next 10 days?
Riiiiiiiiiight.
the choice of the word “audit” by Senator Cruz – a very poor choice and a bad start to this, IMHO as to what this commission is supposed to achieve – just a humongous delaying tactic?
there is the fearsome audit by the IRS – the IRS has become so politicized, weaponized especially since the targeted attacks on the Tea Party –
then there is the type of “audit” attendance of a class without being enrolled, so – no grade, good or bad and thus no credit for the class – I have never really understood why anyone would waste time “auditing” a class – unless you “auditing” Feynman or some other brilliant person at Cal-Tech, for example (this was in the olden days)
otherwise it is a terrific waste of time to “audit” a class when you could be out working a 2nd or 3rd part-time job
unless you were “auditing” Feynman or some other brilliant person at Cal-Tech, for example (this was in the olden days)
IDK if Cruz using the word “audit” is so bad. Just a few weeks ago most people thought “recount” was o.k., but quickly learned that an “audit” is actually needed.
You are correct that a “full forensic audit” is the only useful approach.
If you audit a class, needing some personal, face to face instruction, you could then take a CLEP, ACT or DANTE examination in that subject and use it for credits at a school. You have to research what schools accept them, almost all, and you need to be very specific about the exact CLEP exam. Some schools won’t take specific CLEP exam credits and some schools might grant you 6 credit hours and another school grant you 3 credit hours for the same exam. Most schools have a limit on how many credits by examination they will grant and what scores you need to get those credits.
True. I read an article on a website, entitled “Greatest Troll Ever: What if Pence Counts Electoral College Votes Using Dominion Machines?” The authenticity of the “scheme” hasn’t been verified, but it would be one for the ages if it came to fruition. Here’s the link to it:
https://libertysentinel.org/greatest-troll-ever-what-if-pence-counts-electoral-college-votes-with-dominion-machine
I saw that ploy mentioned in a comment on Gateway Pundit. But no one trusts Pence.
I agree in principal, however, the extra 10 days does greatly increase the likelihood that state legislatures will pull their illegitimate electors, and perhaps even replace them with Trump electors. Either way it’s game over. Then on to destroying the deep state, prosecuting 1,000’s (if not 10’s of 1,000’s) of vote and election fraud cases, and hopefully military tribunals for hundreds if not 1,000’s for treason.
What is wrong with Rudi presenting evidence already obtained and expert testimony already delivered to some State Legislatures? If everyone sees the fraud it will be hard to deny.
It’s not about the evidence at this point. While it may useful for cowards sitting on the fence, this is about politics.
You need to think like crook. They all want to steal ‘and’ stay out of jail. Staying out of jail is job one though. This is were leverage comes in but given the corruption of legal system the only way a fellow mobster gets prosecuted is if they rat out the mob.
Agree.
The FF’s in their wisdom provided the framework and process to remedy election issues.
We don’t need 15 people assembled that are clearly not smarter then the FF’s and clearly not as trustworthy.
They are trying to create an artificial mechanism to hide the election fraud, not remedy the election fraud.
Not buying it!
If this goes badly then Cruz is toast in TX or you could say texas toast.
thank you, Sundance
The massive problem with unchartered territory is that the only body that can sort it is SCOTUS and it is terrified to do so.
It can’t wait to look away and give everything to do with elections back to low rent State Legislatures and State Supreme Courts.
Going to be interesting to see how SCOTUS avoids declaring States acted against the law by changing election rules by executive order. Seems open and shut…how will SCOTUS avoid any enforceable decision I wonder….because they will.
Scotus will not get involved until political process plays out
Then it will never get involved because a Contingent Election is the end of the line.
IMO it will end before that on the 6th. Pence will pontificate and fold. Both House and Senate will vote to ratify. Thjey can’t miss this chance to be rid of PDJT.
SCOTUS will ensure it never ever has to decide if this election was won by The Dementia Patient by a fraudulent vote.
Prediction, SCOTUS will only get involved if Trump looks like he is going to win. Correct Roberts?
Every conservative on the Supreme court is a bushie, directly connected to the house of Bush. That’s why they will not act.
The “least” useful man at a political bar fight,
is the guy who waits to “hold the coat and drink”,
of the SCOTUS, as “it” is requested to enter the fray !
….It was a “tax”…hint-hint…
They will just lie. As usual. Black is white, night is day…just like that.
Look who’s back.. https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/01/paul-ryan-blasts-republicans-challenging-biden-electors-joe-bidens-victory-entirely-legitimate/
The communists must really be scared to trot out first John Thune, Mitt Romney and then Paul Ryan; good thing John McCain hit the dust or we would be hearing from him – LOL
I was thinking the same thing, amjean. Bush and Obama should be on deck, soon.
Jeb must be sleeping –still. ? ???
Laughed because first reaction was ‘Who’s Paul Ryan?” – then remembered it’s just someone who had the promise to be something who turns out to be just another pretty boy.
A pretty boy traitor.
Ryan…who looks like Eddie on “The Munsters.” ?
Paul “return to order” Ryan? The ftard that ran on restoring genuine budget committee processes after 8 years of Obama? That Ryan?
Paul Ryan – a joke of a traitor. His entire adult life has been a massive lie.
He was more tolerable as Eddie Muenster as a kid, Another child actor gone astray..
I bet POTUS knows the deeds Paul Ryan is trying to separate himself from. And I’ll bet Paul Ryan knows or is at least afraid POTUS knows. Many seeming long term senators with shoo in reelections and no reason to get out just seemingly flew the coop just as VSGDJT was ramping up his election momentum before 2016.
My sister just sent me a text with that twit’s picture and that quote.
Of course, I instantly deleted it…??
Paul Ryan- Gerkonnoknocken.
Oh Lord! Diven’ Paul Ryan, useless as teats on a boar hog.
Oh my.
No-one needs a 4D plan to “reveal” the perps.
The impossibility is in prosecuting the perps, remember the insurance…all the DoJ has to say is “DoJ declines tomprosecute” and that’s it, nowhere else to go.
The comments on GP are a hoot!
The name “Paul Ryan” is synonymous with the word “laughingstock”.
Nobody is buying the drivel and blather that Ryan peddles.
Commenters with hilarious handles like “Senator Blutarsky” point out that Ryan ruins everything he touches – he destroyed the GOP control of the congress; he surrendered the leadership position; he ran Fox News into the ground.
There is hope in the comments threads.
His proposal seems to be designed to complete running out the clock.
If the state legislatures (like AZ) cannot get counties to turn over evidence, how the HELL is Cruz going to get them to do it, lol?
This is a joke.
Cruz: Please let us form a committee and look at the evidence we want to use to prove you did dastardly things. Pretty Please?
Look at the degree of contempt our enemies have against us openly. Multiply by 10 the degree of contempt those “pretending to be white hats” have to live their hypocrisy. We are not going to win this war with committees, investigations, lawful protests, righteous indignation, or even cold anger. Our enemy has seen no reason to fear, except the awesome display of energy and purposeful effectiveness of our POTUS in the face of the most resistance ever mounted againsgt a sitting president. Yet our enemies persist in their distain.
Nothing yet mounted by MAGA Patriots, even if there are 100 million of us, has caused our enemy to blink. They will not blink until they know they are going to die, and even then they are so smug and narcissistic, they won’t believe it even as their ilk in purpose are falling around them.
The liberty tree is parched. This is what I see. The time for talk is over. it is time for the winnowing fork and neutralization with fire and brimstone. Whether that be a national process on American Soil, or a spiritual process of the heavenly creation — I am ready.
When are the legislatures going to stop using that lame excuse of counties not turning over evidence for their inaction? If the counties don’t follow through on orders then it should be automatically considered evidence of a cover-up with a vote to recertify immediately afterwards.
“Remember, we all want the best outcome for our nation and nerves are frayed…. let us be kind to each-other in fellowship.”
Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats.
Listened to the interview this morning and requested that (yelled) Ted answer the QUESTION(s).
Ugh…
Ham and Green Eggs.
I know many readers here dislike and even despise Ted Cruz. I recall many years back when Cruz warned about the swamp by labeling them “The Washington Cartel”. He did this even before he ran for President. I voted for Cruz during the primary as at the time, I did not have a good opinion of Trump. I grew up in NJ and all we heard about was Trump’s greed and his philandering. When Trump supporters put up the by side pictures of Melania and Cruz’s wife, I thought that was despicable. I thought Trump should have spoken out forcefully against that.
I also thought Trump was way out of line by accusing Ben Carson of being mentally ill after Ben shared his story about his childhood anger and the belt buckle incident. I thought Trump was a big bully and a liar.
At the time of the convention, I thought Cruz did the right thing by telling people to vote their conscience.
Once Trump got into office, I started to see that although he had his flaws, he also had tremendous giftedness. He has followed through on his promises and has led the country down an incredible path of economic recovery. His fighting spirit is exactly what was/is needed. I have come to see that he is a real Patriot and am now 100% on board. (I still think he was wrong to bully during the primaries.)
I still think Cruz is a committed Patriot albeit an imperfect one (Aren’t we all!). Cruz has supported Trump in most eveything. The fact that Cruz has come to support Trump after how despicably Trump treated him is amazing to me and I think that speaks well of Cruz’ character. I don’t see him holding a grudge like so many others do (e.g. Romney)
Certainly we are all entitled to our own opinion, but I just don’t seweCruz as being the awful person that so many of you describe.
It’s so sad the lying media concocted those stories about Trump and people believed them.
These words are from Trump’s own mouth. This was not media spin. See Trump’s interview below
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/11/13/trump_carsons_pathological_disease_can_not_be_cured_just_like_a_child_molester.html#!
During elections candidates say horrible things about each other. It’s a knock down drag out fight.
Trump said humiliating things to them and they said them back to him.
Some forgave, some didn’t.
What counts is who is there when you really need them.
The time is NOW.
I agree, Girl. And it’s so sad to see President Trump disparaged here, especially at this time, when we need to come together in support of him and each other, rather that writing demoralizing comments.
I’ve said this before, but Ted got a lot of swagger after he figured out that an animal like Trump could exist in the political wild. I think after seeing Trump in action, getting things done, Cruz changed course and started to back him.
And if Trump called Ted on the phone to ask him to argue this in front of the Supreme Court? Those two have a good relationship, and put their issues aside or maybe even discussed it and came to an amicable place.
Either way, I agree. Ted turned into a fighter once he saw what one actually looked like. I’m going to trust him until he gives me a reason not to. And, I’m a Texan… so.. 🙂
Cruz is ineffective, even incredibly so. Following Josh Hawley, instead of going out in front, by himself? I don’t feel I (we) have time to waste on him, even if his heart is now pure.
And the beard says it all, really. It screams out, “Retread”. Good ol’ “Comfortable Retread” Ted…whose time has come and gone (there are so many like that in politics, taking themselves too seriously, but never quite do what needs to be done…and won’t leave).
Absolutely agree.
People hold everyone to their behavior from the past campaign and don’t realize just like with Trump saying that about Carson–it was just politics. Carson obviously forgave Trump. Rand forgave Trump for all the terrible things he said about him; and Trump forgave Rand for all the terrible things he said about him. It was all politics and some bruised egos.
However Romney never forgave Trump and Trump in kind. The Bush family never forgave Trump. So some did and some didn’t.
Chris Christie forgave Trump and they stayed friendly for 3 years, but now when it counts, Chris does not stand by him.
Obviously Ted and Trump found a way to forgive each other, they each said horrible things about each other even both involved the wives. But now Trump seems to think highly of him asking him to rep for him in Supreme Court.
What really matters is who is there when it counts.
My dad had a brother they didn’t speak to each other for 30 years. My dad was angry with him.
My dad had another brother they spoke all the time even took trips together.
But when my dad hit age 90 and became ill, the estranged brother came and helped when it counted; The other brother that was in contact with him all the time did not.
You never know who’s going to come through and who won’t until they do or until they don’t.
What matters is who is there when it counts.
God is tired of us infighting so let’s find some way to forgive one another.
Onward!
I worked for 45 years and earned two college degrees. When a job deadline was given, it was met. When homework was due, it was done. Come on Ratcliff. Do your job or resign. Your report is past due. Get off your butt!
“When a job deadline was given, it was met.”
But did you work in a corrupt government agency looking out only for globalist interests?
Unfortunately the DNI cannot create that report alone. He needs the input of other intel agencies who already informed him weeks ago they could not meet the December 18 deadline but they did not specify when they could get the information to him. Also there was a reported dispute among the intel officials as to how much the CCP interfered.
https://politicalvelcraft.org/2020/12/19/situation-update-december-2020-ratcliffe-confirmation-of-foreign-interference/
https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/12/17/intel-report-on-election-interference-will-not-be-turned-in-on-time-due-to-reported-dispute-1006668/
For a while now, I’m thinking that all these ‘suits’ filed in various courts were SUPPOSED to fail.
Reason being, they have set precedence of “no standing” to challenge vote results via the judiciary…
Therefore, WHEN the Constitutional process to decide a fair election is complete, and Donald John Trump is sworn in for his second term… then all of the evil lawfare crapweasels can go suck an egg…
Just a thought.
I’d disagree, with the volume of them at least one should have been heard. But they never were. Precedent has been set though at this point.
I’m heading to DC from sick California for the rally. I’m done with the posturing and kicking the decision to a later date. I want what most Patriots want…have the legislature decide on the 6th that President Trump remains OUR President for 4 for years…I don’t care how they get there on the 6th; just get it done. If the left, the media, the corrupt politicians, the tech platforms, the China-first companies, academia, etc. want to challenge that decision by appeals, fake news, or by any other means they think are available (including physical acts of violence), I say BRING IT ON. It’s time to go on the offensive and then stand on top of the confirmation of OUR victory and continue to knock them down until they are no longer relevant.
We cannot count on our institutions to protect WE THE PEOPLE. They are infested with cockroaches, and we are going to need PDJT for 4 more years to drain out the Swamp and then for US to keep it that way. We have learned our lesson the hard way.
I’m nearly 70 years old, but if I have to fight by whatever means possible, that’s what I’ll do.
I hope to see fellow Treepers there on the 6th.
Retired Magistrate here: I don’t know what Ted Cruz will do but I do know what my husband and I along with the congregation in our small church is doing: praying.
Most of our members are elderly with various health conditions which prohibit us from going to Washington, D.C. on January 6. But that does not mean we are not doing anything. Tomorrow night we are meeting at a church members house to pray for the Georgia election, the President and all those attending the January 6 stop the steal rally. We have been having these prayer meetings ever since the election and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future.
Don’t give up hope. Many people thought that President Trump would concede; however, they still have not figured out that he is a real fighter and probably the most honest elected official in Washington, D.C.
I don’t watch Fox, neither do 99% of treepers. I’m guessing Democrats is fox’s main audience now? And for many of them, this will be the first time they heard the words “election fraud”. So, I’m thankful to Cruz for that, at least.
This prevents Jan 6th from being what Trump Planned it to be… Cruz, clearly wants to push this off and is hoping nothing will happen. The Press wont report anything negative on any commission finding. I’ve already taken my deep breath Ted, in fact I’ve taken several. This is not ending well. Putting the inevitable off for 10 days is senseless. This was an act of sedition, and if it is treated as something less, then it will blow up. I’m not saying that’s what I prefer. It just will not stand. Even if the election had been close, A little steal is still an act of sedition, and should not be tolerated. We need to go back and see just how legit the Obama 2012 election was. Even look at 2016 – just how many electoral votes should Trump have actually received? We need to look at the 2018 and 2020 house and senate races. How many seats have been stolen since the Obamas entered the scene?
I am a fool no more. I just see this as too much of too little, way too late. Joe Biden will never be president. Kamilla Vanilla will never be Vice President. The time for talk is running out – and this is not the kind of talk that needs to happen. Allowing a Democrat (like Adam Schiff??) a seat at the table of these discussions is like negotiating with Hamas. There is no truth in them, and they wont participate in earnest. There have been two Americas for too long and its past time to put a stop to it. By whatever means necessary, but we all know that talking about it is for all intents and purposes no longer an option. Are they going to say “you know, you’re right, we want fair and open elections. We went a little too far, and we’re really sorry”. Dont be fooled again… we know how this will turn out.
Only a sliver of an alternative to civil war remains. If we arrest those who have committed treason, we might be able to quash the few Antifa/BLM riots that might occur, but allowing this going forward means they are our future. Brutal dictatorship, mob rule and those who are not silenced speaking Mandarin.
I agree. The “oh no, not another ‘commission’ staffed by Government Party apparatchiks” gambit is a cover-up operation.
The electors should be tossed. The State legislatures in PA, WI, MI, GA and AZ should either decertify their electors or just tell the Congress that it must accept the Trump electors. That is the correct answer. It has the benefits of being both swift and certain.
Then, we don’t appoint a bipartisan commission. We send the US Marshalls and the US Secret Service to confiscate the voting machines and ballots for a full forensic analysis followed by criminal investigations. Starting at the top with these corrupt Governors and Secretaries of State.
Commission is a joke.. One could show the democrat’s actual undisputed fraud and they would still vote to affirm Biden.
Sure looks like civil war on the horizon
And it just might be
Or things may take a hard right
And end up in a pretty good place
In any case God’s kingdom come,
God’s will be done on earth,
there is one thing for sure. no dominion in 2022. and a wipeout of democrats. 24 another wipeout.
You gotta get your head on. This is it. there is no such thing as elections anymore in the future. No, we wont “getem” on the next time. Millions of votes were invented out of thin air this year. This likely has been standard practice and will continue, and we will have no rights and no means of recourse. We already have none thanks to our supreme court. The only alternative for Texas after the lawsuit was dropped is for Texas to say “Ooops! we didnt mean it! – our bad!!” or it goes to war between states. The Supreme court was supposed to be the mechanism to prevent that. They shat their little panties and squirmed away, The dispute between Texas and those 5 states is still there. We still feel wronged. Since the SC wont take the case, what alternatives do we have? Just suffer it like we are fools? Somehow that doesn’t sound like my Texas.
I’m also from Texas.
Trump card if 1/6 fails is The Insurrection Act or MLaw via EO 13848
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We win now or never. There will be no 2022 or 24 elections as we typically understand the word “elections” to mean. The fraud will have been certified, endorsed, and locked-in for future elections. Dominion isn’t going anywhere unless we stop this now.
“This is for all the marbles” is a refrain we heard in ’19 and ’20 in the runup to the election. If this is not undone, 2016 will be remembered as America’s last free election.
If Biden is installed, the Constitutional Republic has fallen, therefore talking of “elections” in 2022 or 2024 is ludicrous.
“Battered Conservatives” really need to get their heads around this. This literally is the end of the line. There is no future way to correct a Biden installation at the ballot box. Those who endorce this fraud (including Ted “two months of silence” Cruz) will never allow it.
For those who question what PDJT may be planning.. perhaps this might provide another perspective. I’ve followed this writer since ’08. I can tell you this is a very fine Patriot who goes deep into the rabbit hole.
https://logisticsmonster.com/2021/01/03/three-days-away-from-events-of-a-biblical-nature/
I have used the word Biblical in regard to Jan 6th as well.
I have suggested that Mike Pence would read from Exodus 20 and Deuteronomy 5. Then tear at least the 6 states fraudulent votes, in Nitwit Tehran Nan fashion, and make it clear from his pulpit that in the USA We Don’t Steal and We Don’t Covert Our Neighbors anything. We believe and were promised Law & Order, and this is Promises Made, Promises Kept.
I really wish more focus had been on the second district of Nebraska and Virginia.
Virginia was rife with election fraud, fractional votes for example. Warner and Stormbergen (s) did not get re-elected.
Biblical!
“Now behold, in those days the multitude cried out to The Lord for deliverance from those who increased their hardships. But the Ruling Elite, in their hard-hearted hatred, strove above all to make strong the hand of the wicked.
Thereafter, many days of perplexity and unrest ensued and also the sinews and cords of civil society were strained to the breaking point.”
Methinks our solemn duty now will be to launch the Holy Hand Grenade of Anti-Orc.
Thanks for the link.
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I’m afraid Senator Cruz will turn on the MAGA supporters faster than an accomplice in a crime investigation.
Cruz’ mistake in ’16 beyond running against Trump was revealing himself too soon. He won’t make that mistake again.
“Let’s form another commission”
Just what we wanted to hear. Right? WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
In case you are wondering what organization Maria belongs to ….
“The premier organization leading this globalist effort is the New York City-based Council on Foreign Relations (CFR). It is the “brain trust” and public face of the shadowy Deep State internationalists who have been pushing to submerge the United States (and all other nation states) under a world government for the past century.
The CFR has acquired unparalleled power and influence not only in our government, but also in virtually all of our society’s principal institutions.
For the first time in human history, the entire world has been trapped in a global lockdown, at the behest of the United Nations’ World Health Organization.
The result has been that in a few short months not only the United States of America but the entire world has lurched further into socialist-communist control than could not have been imagined by even the most far-sighted political seers.
Governments at every level — local, state, national — have rushed to implement authoritarian (even totalitarian) measures that are completely unthinkable.
This sweeping revolution would not have been possible without the orchestration provided by the CFR politicos and their academic, business, and media accomplices. They have relentlessly sown fear and hysteria to consolidate and perpetuate this huge power grab.
And yes Maria is one of them.
The CFR media minions have ceaselessly promoted the propaganda of the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation. Bill Gates, one of the world’s richest billionaires, is a close comrade of Chinese dictator Xi Jinping and has been inducted into the elite Chinese Academy of Engineering, an organ headed by “Premier” Li Kequiang, China’s “Number 2” communist boss.
CFR members and their corporations and hedge funds have been pouring billions of dollars into both Chinese and U.S. universities, while China’s new Chinese Communist Party-approved billionaires have been doing the same, melding together a pro-China “convergence lobby” that promotes the Beijing line throughout academia.
This evil would never have even gotten off the ground except for the tens of millions of dollars from George Soros (CFR) — and many millions more from CFR corporate and foundation spigots.
This incredible drama unfolding before our eyes has not come about overnight. It is the work of a “Deep State” cabal of ruling elites that has controlled both the Democratic and Republican parties for decades, and has embedded its operatives throughout our political, financial, industrial, educational, cultural, military, and intelligence institutions.
Freedom has never been in greater peril. The CFR revolution for world control is moving into its endgame phase, do the globalists have all of the aces they need. Or are they stirring a sleeping colossus?
If enough liberty-minded patriots throw all of their efforts, prayers, and resources into the battle now to awaken, educate, and activate their fellow citizens, we can yet stave off Satan and facilitate an opportunity to save more off the worlds lost.”
Do not count on Ted Cruz
If Gods patience and long suffering is at an end then it is time for Christ to Return.
Mankind is without excuse.
Ted Cruz’s wife CFR member.
Trump won’t leave it to Lyin Ted or SCOTUS.
Think Insurrection Act or MLaw via EO 13848.
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CTH answers own question: https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/12/16/dni-john-ratcliffe-tells-cbs-news-there-was-foreign-election-interference-election-report-now-delayed/
Maybe Trump did receive it. Maybe Trump wants quiet for now.
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Got a text from Cruz camp about an hour ago looking for cash to put up the fight. I text back he received his paycheck each week so just do you job. Received a text back they will pass along the message. Lol. He’s a phony like the rest. Time is here for we the people. Don’t be fooled again by these swamp rats.
Indeed. He’s joined the fight to simply fund raise. Imo
I thanked him for his unanimous consent on lee’s visa giveaway. And his veto overide.
Great post. Lyin Ted is my senator. Nuff said.
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The one major issue that ALL this discussion of the Electoral College completely misses, overshadows, ignores…whatever….is that NOBODY is questing the Electoral College nor Electoral System. It is also nice that everybody is “using” their authorized constitutional powers to try and remedy an acknowledged illegal election due to fraudulent activity and illegally accepted votes.
Yet NOBODY in the Judicial nor Legislative Branches is willing to tackle the FACT that the votes that actually FEED the “Electoral System and Process” are the problem. The courts CAN ADDRESS these facts:
1. Votes were counted in violation of the Presidential Voting Act of 1845.
2. Fraudulent votes were accepted and counted.
These two facts have nothing to do with attacking the electoral process but that these facts are the root of the Process yielding an illegitimate results.
There are two distinct issues being bandied about as if they are the same issue, which they are NOT. Again, at no time have the President or his supporters questioned nor attacked the legitimacy of the process as RINO’s, GOPe, Media and Democrats contend. The issue is that illegal votes fed the system to create a legally flawed result.
To date only the president’s legal team ad supporters have addressed the issues correctly.
Just in case you forgot this little gem….
This pretty much ended things for “Lyin’ Ted”. Don’t forget how he so rightly acquired that nickname from President Trump. If you recall, the day of the Iowa Primary, he falsely announced that Ben Carson had dropped out of the race so that people would not vote for him.
Trust none of them! Deep-state attempt to run out the clock so there will be no time for anything else.
All of them did and said some harsh things to each other. Ted probably was the worst as he cheaTED played dirty tricks. But they all said some pretty horrid things to each other, except Carson never did.
But that is the past and obviously Trump has forgiven Ted and Ted has forgiven Trump and Carson forgave Trump and Carson forgave Ted.
People that harbor hatred and unforgiveness remain stagnant. A swamp is stagnant. We must remain fluid and clear. CLEAN.
LET’S MOVE ON.
Cannot move forward looking backwards.
Onward!
Only 1 more day til Jan 6th!
Replay the segment at the 6 minute mark. “What if the commission does find fraud?” Notice how Ted Cruz does off on what Maria had asked earlier about animosity? He never really answers her.
Nor like other folks are pointing out, NOT ONCE does he mention the evidence of fraud.
“Thus five state legislatures -under Republican control- have sent dual-sets of electors to congress: Arizona, Nevada, Wisconsin, Georgia and Pennsylvania.”
I’m not doubting this, but is there somewhere I can read more about this? I’ve not read it anywhere but here.
Another case of MSM news-suppression I guess.
Think Michigan should be in that group.
I hear their terrified over the number of people headed to DC… and rightly they should be. I hope they show up days early and I also hope they plan on going around their blockades to get there. The MSM and chat rooms can suppress it all they want but there is a cold anger making it’s way East. I wonder if the rats in DC can feel it already…
Sadly SD I don’t think the our Corrupt Government, Congress Politicians and Courts want the best for our Nation
Nearing Wednesday, January 6th 2021, now that chips-are-down the peasants are revolting: “Millions” of disgruntled Trump voters –who prefer honest ballots counted honestly– are converging on Rats’ DC cotton-field to confront Congress’ malingering House and Senate kleptocrats.
Now that Slow Joe’s tinkle-and-bang Inaugural Parade’s been cancelled, Uniparty turncoats such as Romney join Barr, Durham, Wray, McConnell, Roberts’ wretched Seven Dwarves, in turning Three Monkeys’ blind eye, deaf ears, stopped mouth to Rats’ Electoral coup d’oeuvre (“artful subversion” over many years). At least, Jeff Davis’ Copperhead Secessionists were not back-stabbing Adolf-Vladimir poseurs.
As this massive Stop-the-Steal movement erupts, Trump voters have amended the old saw, “If it’s not close, they can’t cheat” to “Close or not, blatant cheating gives the game away.”
Too bad Grenell is not still iin charge.
Anymore I just ask the question: Do you believe there was voter fraud in the past election? If the answer is “No” I end the conversation right then and there.
If the answer is “Yes”. I then ask do you believe as a result of a fraudulent election the fraudulent winner should be President of the United States? If the answer is “Yes”. I then say, this has everything to do about you; you’re character, your morals, it has nothing to do with any candidate.
This is also the questions I would ask any; Politician, Judge and Bureaucrat.
Be kind to each other? Define “each other” because if it includes our ENEMIES on the left you can count me out. We’ve tried that and it just makes us suckers.
I can’t be kind to people that come here spouting MAGA truths like they were President Trump, himself, and then try to con us into not voting for the 2 Georgia Republican candidates thereby guaranteeing his impeachment.
There is a crew here doing just that. Few here would listen to them if all they preached was leftist ideology, so they don’t. Almost everything they preach is mainstream for us at the Treehouse EXCEPT they keep on harping about showing the GOP how serious we are by NOT voting in GA.
One poster in particular, tried lying about President Trump having a change of heart and NOT wanting us to vote in GA. He couldn’t produce a link or video clip and resorted to a battle of semantics.
These posters are a dangerous adversary and they are here today.
Yep that traitor and CCP asset Brad leaked the phone call on purpose to try to get Trump impeached again. I expect we’d have a similar Romney votes with dems on witnesses etc nonsense to occur again. We definitely need to win atleast 1 ideally 2 of those races to stop that in its tracks.
I completely agree that wanting to “primary” RINOs in a general election is political suicide. That being said, you can’t convict a president with 51 votes in the Senate; you need 67.
“If this type of legislative challenge was to take place, there is little precedent for the judicial branch to be involved except to qualify what role The Guarantee Clause would/could play and to what extent the nullification arguments are constitutionally valid.”
-SD
Seems circular…
What IF…
The Senate forms a commitee.
5 Impartial Republican Senators
?
5 Impartial Democrats Senators
?
5 Impartial Justices (SCOTUS)
?
The Impartial Republican Senators and the Impartial Democrat Senators ask (for Clarification… to be clear) the Impartial SCOTUS Team, at the outset, before they (Impartial Senators) go any further, to weigh in on…
“The Guarantee Clause (constitution) and the Electoral Count Act of 1887 (law)”
And, the Impartial SCOTUS Team steps up (Dragged, dontcha know) to the plate, once again, and responds…
“The nullification arguments are deemed UNconstitutional, because yada, yada, yada.
“The “Guarantee Clause” has no role to play, because yada, yada, yada.
Well…
Before they (Impartial Senators) stick their neck out (even a little bit) they have to set any “evidence ” aside (for the moment ?) and debate the Impartial SCOTUS Teams revelations, because yada, yada, yada. Oh, and btw, the debate will be in SECRET.. because yada, yada, yada.
???
The SCOTUS previously “deferred any election challenge to the legislative branch”
Govenors/State Legislators seem to be stuck.
The Impartial Senate steps in and gives everyone cover.
U.S. Senator Hawley announces he will challenge the election result via the Constitution.
U.S. Senator Cruz, not to be outdone, announces a plan to challenge the election results via committee, using a precident, as a guide, ie, Constitution AND “”Law””. (Enter the Impartial SCOTUS Team) (Think Interpretation) (AGAIN)
The Impartial (Hand picked) SCOTUS Team puts a damper on the enthusiasm and resolve of the remaining Impartial Republican/ Democrat Senators.
The Impartial Senators huddle up and decide there is no clear path to move forward.
Please, put your evidence back in the briefcases, leave D.C., we’ll get back to you.
What was actually accomplished besides tick tock?
What, if anything (except the Impartial SCOTUS Team having Standing… created by the U.S. Senate, no less), has changed from, say, a week ago?
Oh, Impartial Senator Lyndsey says there is a high bar to meet. I find it (not in the CONSTITUTION) troubling that matters of such magnitude are given mere MINUTES to be argued.
? High bar to meet
Minutes to do so?
?CONCLUSIVELY?
Imo
Just putting it out there
Pure speculation
Whom chooses the 5 “impartial” GOP Senators? Mitch?
How do we know they are truly impartial after 4 years of stabbing PDJT in the back?
Can you really find 5 “impartial”Democrat Senators? The Resist Crew!
Who are the “impartial” justices? Only 2 I would trust are Thomas and Alito.
Roberts? Gorsuch? Barrett? Kavanaugh? The “No Standing” Crew.
No thanks!!
Borwarrior,
If I had my guess…
Mitch will pick “Reliable” Senators from the Right Wing of the UNIPARTY. (The Strategic illusion of MAGA support will be required)
Chuck will pick “Reliable” Senators from the Left Wing of the UNIPARTY. ( A couple of “Based on the evidence… if any” types throw in the mix)
John will pick at least 3 “Reliable” Justices from the SCOTUS wing of the UNIPARTY. Again, the illusion of impartiality must be maintained. All sides MUST BELIEVE they have an even shot.
All of this is (if warranted) is supposed to end up back in the legislature of the contested states. Where THEY “MIGHT” do something about it!
Round and Round WE go
Where it stops no?body?kno…
Wait… It never STOPS
the part here i worry about is the 5 impartial judges,you can bet kagan,sotomeyer and breyer will be there so whoever the other 2 are is pointless.
cherokeepeople, the presents of “Justices” is the whole REASON, imho, Senator Cruz has chosen this method. And, by doing so, has given them standing when before they had only an advisory capacity (my words) at best.
More and more “LAW” is being inserted, yet, NO ONE (In a Position to do so because of these insertions) seems particularly interested in ACTUALLY looking objectively and at LENGTH (with adequate time to do so) at the EVIDENCE!! They broadcast the intention to subpeana this and that, and like magic, this AND that disappears or is destroyed.
Evidence?
What Evidence?
Oh, look….
Over THERE ☜☞
Squirrel ?
and if this commission is anything like the Warren Commission…. I have no faith in government. This needs to be a commission made up of Sidney Powell, Lin Wood, AG of Utah, Vernon Jones, and a couple or more of the IT/ mathematician geniuses and about 100 people to do their bidding Then I might trust it.
sarah palin should put Lisa murkowski on notice before Jan 6th.
https://twitter.com/4Restored2/status/1345641953375956992?s=20
According to this line of reasoning, there apparently is no legal ruling applicable in this situation. And the Supreme Court has agreed as recently as their ruling against the case Texas brought. That leaves the struggle to take place between the legislative branch and the executive brand, both with equal power on level footing. Constitutionally, the power of the legislature is the power of the purse while the power of the executive branch is military and law enforcement. That’s why legal elections are an absolute requirement. Once the population at large no longer believes in the viability of the election, as we now not longer do, it becomes the law of the jungle and we are then at the power of the strongest actor.
So the wide-spread corruption by the Congress of the United States by members of the current two parties, most especially in the Senate, has led us to this chaos. Is it possible that President Trump would unilaterally claim the office for 4 more years, leaving impeachment as the only recourse Congress would have? Then could Mitch and Pilosi afford for all the evidence of corruption, including the 100’s of sworn affidavits from this past election as well as ALL the evidence the President’s lawyers have, be brought to light on the national stage?
WHATEVER IT TAKES…
“Ted Cruz Victory Committee” fundraising off of Ted requesting inquiry.
SMH IRL
NO
Found two of your comments in the bin…. :-(
Thanks for that!
https://secure.anedot.com/ted-cruz-victory-committee/13c1216000
This is their pitch – NOT giving, except a little digital kickback.
I am of the mindset Cruz and senators should just shut up. Adversaries would not know so precisely what to counter on the 6th. All should have merely declared they stand with President Trump. All this interviewing by media is politics not strategic battle planning.
One nation under God….
WE need to pray this week every day for those legislators that are entering into this unknown for guidance, protection, and wisdom. If your church has a prayer chain, put this on it. Spiritual warfare calls for spiritual intervention, and only Christ can bring that justice.