Project Veritas has released the full, unedited, audio of U.S. Postal Service whistleblower Richard Hopkins being questioned by federal authorities after he disclosed ballot manipulation in Erie, Pennsylvania.
The interview was conducted by USPS Office of The Inspector General, Russell Strasser, and Postal Inspector Charles “Chris” Klein. This is the interview where the Washington Post falsely reported that whistleblower Hopkins recanted his statement.
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When someone repeatedly states “I’m going to be honest with you,” as Russell Strasser does in this interview, it is a key indicator the conversation is dishonestly being constructed. If someone is honest they do not need to qualify the standard. This was a very sketchy interview done with a purpose to manipulate the whistleblower.
From American Thinker…………a good analysis, up to date and also encouraging.
“Why Scott Adams of Dilbert Fame And I Say Trump Wins This Thing – Bigly”
https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2020/11/why_scott_adams_of_dilbert_fame_and_i_say_trump_wins_this_thing__bigly.html
Cognitive dissonance (brainwashing) is at play!
Why is he just now bringing this up? We all knew this weeks ago.
“He,” who?
We knew all what, “weeks ago”?
As soon as Strasser started telling him he was his friend, then the word “polygraph”, Hopkins should have immediately said “Lawyer”. Thank the Lord he got this recording. This poor guy was about to get the “Flynn” treatment.
I saw this youtube video where two FBI agents come to interview some guy. He says he’s going to videotape in on his phone and refuses to speak to them otherwise. The FBI agents left. I will note there are two off them so their 302 recollection scan support each other in the absence of “tape” of the interview.
This was one of those guys that try to piss off the government and then mess with them. The agents showed up at his house after he had been outside a military base videoing cars coming in for a couple of days. He was on public space. He refused the security ‘s request he stop video.
U.S. Postal Service whistleblower Richard Hopkins was anxious about his JOB, his income he relies on to live! He’s not that intuitive obviously. But what Richard Strasser did as USPS IG to him w that interview was horrible. An honorable IG would have said “come back w a lawyer”. The USA is f*ked w IG’s like this in our government. They hurt everyone.
Agreed. The man is a patriot.
U.S. Postal Service whistleblower Richard Hopkins was anxious about his JOB, his income he relies on to live! He’s not that intuitive obviously. But what Richard Strasser did as USPS IG to him w that interview was horrible. An honorable IG would have said “come back w a lawyer”. The USA is f*ked w IG’s like this in our government. They hurt everyone.
Remember back when Obama bought all those bullets for non regulatory agencies like the USPS? I do. This reminds me of that and makes me think those agencies have not only been weaponized they have been militarized on some level.
Yep, also seems odd that Trump has put together a plan to send our military everywhere in the country to help distribute and administer covid vaccines…and, we just heard the vaccine should be approved by the end of November. We will have boots on the ground ready for these people.
The USPS postal inspectors are an armed branch of the PO. They have been for a long time.
Yes but the amount of ammo was excessive and it was for many random agencies. Plus it was what Obama said at the time, about not being able to rely only on the military and needing a “civilian” response equal to the military. That quote is in this article.
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/06/kamala_heelsupharris_ascends_to_the_top_of_the_biden_vp_list_what_could_go_wrong.html
OIG are not portal inspector! They are a separate agency and not nearly as professional as Postal Inspectors which are the oldest law enforcement agency in America. Created in something like 1740 under the English.
Interview tone changed once the whistleblower mentioned that he was recording the conversation.
I don’t understand why he alerted them to the fact that he was recording.
I’m glad he did! The change in tempo/demeanor was hilarious… and the needing to *ask* a supervisor to *allow* them to give *permission* for postal worker to keep the recording…. i’m glad that’s on tape..
they already told him he may/may not/ prolly not would be given a copy of the statement he(PW) was then making…. they were Flynn’ing him… the proof of that is INCALCULABLY valuable for one and all…
Do NOT forget… it was the Flynn judge- Sullivan- who stuck his corrupt nose in this postal election balloting business to begin with.
There are NO Coincidences.
Legal reasons? As a PA resident, I don’t know if it is legal to secretly record someone. Perhaps it is.
First words out of his mouth should have been “Not without my lawyer”. This poor dumb bastard… They didn’t expect to find a veteran and a patriot working amongst the serpents. May God protect him, he’s in the vipers lair.
HEY, be careful of the words…He was ambushed and he more than likely has PTSD…Like MANY === SO BACK-OFF!!! That’s why they sand bagged him…!!!!
He is an employee and may not hare that right in a disciplinary matter.
He has a right to a union rep being there.
Did he already have whistle blower protection? I think that counts for something?
What do the legal beagles have to say about this?
The guy said he wasn’t an investigator. He was thug sent by the Democrats.
So you think PV snuck in the back door and planted a mic???
Well it seems he wasn’t dumb, he was wearing a wire! Brilliant move by Veritas.
I wonder if psychologically gas-lighting whistle blowers/interviewees is standard operating procedure throughout all these Federal Agencies? Ditto for FIB.
This happens more than you know. And not just Federal Agencies.
Meant to be more rhetorical. I am sure this is more the rule then the exception.
This is far more serious:
Looks compelling to me, but I’m not a statistician. If true, it appears that Dr. Shiva stumbled upon the DaVinci Code of election fraud. However, I’d like to see others review his work and offer opinions.
It seems to me that this method of fraud would be pretty easy to detect. The actual paper ballots could be audited via hand counting and compared to the results, and the fraud is sure to be detected. It seems ballot stuffing with fabricated ballots falsely allocated to non-voting registered voters would be a better system, since once the fake ballot is separated from the certification envelop (if one ever existed) and commingled with the other ballots it would be impossible to distinguish from legitimate votes and any audits or recounts whether by machine or by hand will return the same results.
Fascinating! One hour and 10 minutes, well worth the time. Thank you for posting this.
Thank you!
Can anyone say “Richard Jewel”?
Lin Wood for the win.
This is great; those two investigators turned the first affidavit into more of a bombshell than it was. The 2 hour audio makes the first affidavit more believable. The investigators being aware of the allegations and working hard to get a different story told.
Bravo to Project Veritas and the Postal dude. He obviously was wearing a wired mic, but never let on.
Makes me think PV told him not to lawyer up. Getting the audio is more damning and strengthens the original affidavit.
I agree, I am listening to the tape now and I think Richard initially trusted them but about half an hour in I think he realized something was off. He continued on I think because he knew he would have the recording to support what went on. Would it have been better if he left, maybe. But by staying he got them on tape attempting to destroy his testimony and that is a huge win.
The most disturbing thing I heard in that interview was when the “investigator” said there were Senators involved, WTH, why are Senators involved in this.
Why else? They have a vested interest in the right “facts” being reported.
Senators…Schumer, Schiff, etc.
Schiff is not a Senator
Yeah… Lindsey Graham was named specifically… what the hell does HE have to do with it?
I found out why LG was mentioned… it was to him the affidavit was mailed.
Done in Eerie, PA
Notarized electronically by TX notary
Sent to Lindsey Graham
What’s up with THAT?
Also… the affidavit *being* videocalled… could it have been altered AFTER Richard Hopkins digi-signed it?
As a lawyer, all I can say is that there is no reason for an investigator to be using the legal term “jurisdiction” with an interview subject. The investigator’s jurisdiction is irrelevant to the substance of the statements made by the witness. Moreover, the witness is free to discuss his story with whomever he wishes, whether inside or outside the USPS. Something very wrong here.
As a human, all I can say is I listened, and I believe the witness.
I thought he went into that to make him believe that he was part of the postal service, someone who was ‘like” him. That may have held until he said he was former AF Intel. At that point I would have gone on red alert 🙂
45 minutes in he asks for a break for a smoke and they say go outside but don’t talk to anyone. Then someone goes outside with him and talks with him the whole time so that he does not get a break to relax.
I got the impression the person who went outside with him was the other agent in the room.
“I’m not part of this investigation.” WTF? Then why was he there from New York City? Who sent him? Is he really a polygraph examiner?
Our country is on the brink. Deep state punks like Strasser, emboldened by the Flynn take down, no longer fear any consequences, thanks to Bill Barr & Company. Meanwhile, ordinary citizens no longer respect the FBI, the DOJ and any D.C. investigative body.
Was only able to listen for a few minutes. I’ll try a bit later when my BP goes back down.
The nervous laughter, the smarmy fakeness of the “interviewer” has my hair on end.
God bless and keep you Mr. Hopkins, and thank you for standing up
The Philadelphia Stealers; they only play night games.
In the very near future these wanna be SS officials won’t try to manipulate and intimidate. They will just drag the whistleblower to prison. Right now we are still pretending everyone has rights.
Perhaps shoot him in the street…..ala Seth Rich
Skip the 1st hour if you bother to listen.
Start around the 1 hour mark. The only thing to note before then is that Hopkins noted that it bothered him that the postal carriers were told to collect ballots after the election day and turn them over to the closing supervisor. The two interviewers glossed over that point in their restatements of what Hopkins said. The interviewers parsed language in a way that a nonlawyer like Hopkins does not understand. Hopkins stuck to the thrust of the overheard conversation and his understanding of what it meant, but the pair of investigators crafted words in a new document that they were reluctant to copy Hopkins on.
The bullschumer was thick coming from the IG men.
THAT being said, if the word “backdating” was not used that may have been an understanding by Hopkins that is subject to a different interpretation not apparent to Hopkins.
A consistent intrepretation could be that the carriers were to collect the ballots which were segregated according to Justice Alito’s order, and that the overheard partial conversation reflected a discussion of the existing postmarks on the ballots collected.
Of course, regardless of this drama, ballots not received by election day should not be counted.
A questions is whether these collected ballots already had postmarks? It is not clear where the ballots were collected from in this video.
The interviewers repeatedly cut him off when Hopkins was offering clarifying statements like “it wasn’t a friendly conversation that they were having…”. Investigator response: “Maybe we’ll put that in….”
Hopkins said, “it is so weird that we are still picking these up.” This was a big concern to Hopkins apart from the partial conversation he overheard in what Hopkins characterized as …“not a friendly conversation….”
The investigators pushed him to change or delete paragraph 6 for reasons that obscure rather enlighten, presumably to protect the Postal Service.
Why are people on here ripping on this guy on this thread.
He’s doing the best he knows how.
I’m sure it’s not easy for him.
Please people, let’s send some good vibes his way instead of vilifying him.
It’s par for the course around here. Some people just love to bitch about everything under the sun.
Lately it feels like that, I’ve been on this site for over 5 years now and this really is the first time I’ve seen people really agitated on here. I get what everyone is worrying about but we have to keep the faith
Precisely. I feel so sad for him.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/federal-agent-intimidated-coerced-pennsylvania-usps-whistleblower-trump-hating-biden-supporter/
Unbelievable, these guys are beyond disgusting, beyond evil.
Was that Russell Strasser emails? ⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️ WoW
I had a real tough commander once who kept all who briefed him on their toes, but he was fair.
Most memorable thing he ever said when a captain answered a question, “Well, to be honest, sir….”
He exploded, “Aren’t you always honest with me?”
I have borrowed a version of that line a few times, and I would definitely have asked something similar here!
On Wednesday Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai, MIT PhD offered proof to President Trump and Joe Biden of his findings.
https://twitter.com/kylenabecker/status/1326344486516105216
Today I was wondering how many registered Democrats there were in the US. I found a reference from 2015 that there are 72 million democrats, 55 million republicans and 42 million independents/ no party.
Supposedly Biden got 74 million votes…..the sheer audacity of this fraud number. A man that ran a ghost campaign…a man that had at most 12 people standing in crop circles whose platform was Mor3 taxes, Higher Taxes, killing off coal, killing off fracking, free college, freehealth care, a living wage, the green new deal, a zebra in every pot….a man incapable of recognizing his granddaughter or his wife…supposedly 74 million Americans voted for Jomentia.
Dear Democrats the steal was too big, the fraud was too big …it was obvious…outrageous….nothing says cheating like the swing states all shutting down counting until they knew how many true and real votes Trump received…..then the fraud machine could ramp up…..and guess what the claim is that like Hilliary there is a 3 million vote difference in the total votee
Apparently there were a lot of Democrats who attended Trump’s rallies and I really believe he got a lot of votes from them. I certainly don’t believe that Biden got 74 million legal votes.
Video unavailable?
Noticed how they changed rooms? Why?
Possibly the investigators suspected PV may have planted a video ? They never suspected a mic ? They got punked by PV !
HA !
I think they may have set up a video in the other room, I am so glad he had a mic!!! I think he has much to thank Project Veritas for, including that mic 🙂
This video has been taken down.
Here: https://thedonald.win/p/11Q8Slsy6D/james-okeef-breaking-here-is-raw/c/
Turns out Strasser has a ghost Facebook page that supports Joe Biden. Like we didn’t see this coming?
Link?
See Annie a bit upstream.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/federal-agent-intimidated-coerced-pennsylvania-usps-whistleblower-trump-hating-biden-supporter/
Right here:
https://twitter.com/Project_Veritas/status/1326666863972126720?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1326666863972126720%7Ctwgr%5Eshare_3&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thegatewaypundit.com%2F2020%2F11%2Ffederal-agent-intimidated-coerced-pennsylvania-usps-whistleblower-trump-hating-biden-supporter%2F
And here’s a sample of his posts:
https://twitter.com/TitansFanJeff/status/1316712577821536259?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1316712577821536259%7Ctwgr%5Eshare_3&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thegatewaypundit.com%2F2020%2F11%2Ffederal-agent-intimidated-coerced-pennsylvania-usps-whistleblower-trump-hating-biden-supporter%2F
TinyTwitterJack has hidden him.
Found a page that has several. I see he likes beating up on his Mom too. What a prize of a son he is. Sounds very much like the Dic-ta-tor to me. Tells people what they can and can’t watch. How they should think.
https://twitter.com/KittyLists/status/1326669272785907712
More here:
https://thedcpatriot.com/breaking-deleted-tweets-of-federal-agent-who-hates-president-trump-who-interrogated-usps-whistleblower-revealed/
My fave! The top one. He will be the one that brings down PA.
The entire government enforcement apparatus is not to be trusted, they are enemies of the people. They are communists, this whistleblower got the Flynn treatment. What’s the next step jail, murder.
I know! He should have amended the statement to say, “YET.”
Like Rape reporting, I wonder how many more have witnessed illegal acts, that we’ll be hearing about?
It is amazing how many supervisors are not reported, until that one straw that breaks the camel’s back, and the employee reports.
Saw on twitter Utube is down, which may effect viewing this & other videos at the moment.
I’ve posted a number of times how Federal agencies have people specifically tasked to screw whistleblowers and how whistleblower ‘protection laws’ have backdoors built in to make it look like there’s protection while giving agencies bats to beat anyone daring to spill the beans. The Feds have been fine-tuning their abilities to destroy anyone who interferes with slimy goings-on in the agencies since A. Ernest Fitzgerald exposed the crooked $2.3-billion cost overrun on the C-5 in 1968. He had his civil service tenure stripped away and his position was done away with in a mysterious reorganization of his division, even Nixon was taped talking about firing him. It took him years and hundreds of thousands of dollars to get reinstated but they made his life hell once he came back – Congress tsk tsked the Fed’s actions but did diddly squat – until he finally quit.
We’ve had dozens since Fitz, some have even made the news, but unless the whistleblower does it anonymously s/h’s screwed. I remember when someone blew the whistle on a high-ranking GS supervisor in my agency for downloading and storing kiddie porn on his Federal office computer. He was a Good Old Boy, a few hi-ranking others knew what he was doing, they’d even cautioned him a couple of times, but when the whistleblower reported him to the FBI, they walked right in and confiscated all of his IT equipment and media…the hunt for the rat was on. Over the next few weeks a concerted effort to find and quash the rat was held but no one who knew would give the rat up. The rest of us were ‘warned’ though, through indirect methods, that whistleblowing would be met with severe repercussions.
Hopkins is in a real bind as he not only poked the nation’s largest feel-good hiring agency, one that’s as inefficient as it is ponderous and ineffective, but he exposed USPS complicity in the ongoing coup…and it looks like the usurper whose machinations he exposed won. He will be the modern straw dog, replacing Fitz as the example of what happens to those who expose the misdeeds the Feds are famous for. Even if they retain him, they’ll make sure he squirms for the eight hours a day he sits in a USPS chair.
…and it looks like the usurper whose machinations he exposed won.
No, it doesn’t.
I always plan for the worst, that way anything less is a blessing and there’s less disappointment.
Youtube is now blocking Newsmax as well.
We’re living in a police state, people.
All videos are down.
Anything is possible though.
Twitter keeps trying to tell us that no dead people voted and I just saw on Twitter that Tucker is going to talk to all of the dead people who voted tonight. That should be be quite something. 😉
He could alleviate the silence by talking to married women who may just now be finding out they voted under their maiden name.
steph_gray~~
#Maidengate. You’re onto it. If you mention it on Twitter you’ll be banned.
My wife checked her maiden name status in Cook County (Chicago). Yep, she could probably go to the polling station at the park district she grew up near and probably vote.
Heck, she probably did and doesn’t even realize it.
I must confess that I find Herr Sturmbannführer Straßer und Herr Unteroffizier Klein to be a federal disgrace. Instead of investigating election tampering by the USPS, they are actively working to cover it up, to silence this patriot. How can the failing USPS afford to hire these nazis? Who pays for their time? Finally, how did the WaPo get the “recanting” info already the next day, as Herr Straßer clearly said it had to go through FOIA first, and it would basically take forever.
It was leaked to the press by them right after the interview, of course. They thought they bullied him into recanting. This is some great journalistic work by PV.
Trygve- that is a VERY good point… (leaking recant)!!
Who pays for their time? You and I and all the other taxpayers in the country. Sad but true.
and youtube is down, I think the Democrat RINO internal polling show a gross lack of support for election stealing. hahaha we are winning.
Sundance, I think you crashed youtube with this post….
I’ve listened to about an hour and seventeen minutes of this recording and have great concerns. First, the overly friendly Strasser, the IG officer, keeps trying to sound like his only concern is for Hopkins. He goes on overload to point out that concern, which automatically makes me suspicious. It clues me to think that he’s obviously there to do CYA for that post office and trying to divert one’s thinking otherwise.
Everything that Hopkins claims can be verified. It might be difficult, but I would think that those ballots could be traced to the election destination and the postmarks could be checked. If very few ballots came from Erie that were postmarked after Nov. 3, it would back up Hopkin’s story. He is a witness to the fact that ballots flowed through that post office after Nov 3.
Hopkin’s number one claim seems to be his concern about what was happening to the ballots that were coming into the post office after Nov 3. That alone, even without overhearing that conversation, is a legitimate concern. What is the point of segregating ballots received after the 3rd, if they are not allowed to be counted in the election? They should automatically be postmarked Nov 4, 5, or 6 anyway, as they are not legally allowed to be counted. There is no reason to segregate ballots received after Nov 3rd from the normal mail, other than to tamper with the postmark in some way. If the ballots in question were a backload received before Nov 3, that is another thing.
Other questions on my mind are: Did they interview Zonya, Stephanie, and Chris, the other characters in this narrative? Were those people given a polygraph or told that they could possibly be given one? Stephanie, with the “Every vote counts” zeal is the one who should be given the same type of intense interrogation. If the IG officer was trying to get at the truth, his investigation would go beyond Hopkins and I hope it does with the same intensity for truth as this one.
Hopkins seems to be a person who is really seeking truth. He wouldn’t question himself and his memory, or the affidavit wording, if he were not. He wouldn’t have a conscience. Hopkins seems to be an upright and outstanding person, in my opinion.
I thought that Justice Alito told Pennsylvania to segregate ballots that came in after Nov. 3, 8pm. There was not time for the court to address it before the election, but they reserved the right to revisit it after the election. Sounds like they were following orders: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/justice-alito-mail-in-ballots-received-after-election-day-in-pennsylvania-must-be-kept-separate/ar-BB1aMr8e
Russell tells him about an hour and 22 minutes in that nobody’s going to hear or learn anything about what he says or changes in his statement because it’s all part of an on-going “casework” and is part of an investigation. So riddle me this, “Russ”–who leaked the casework to the Washington Post? Who made sure that the media did to “Alex” exactly what he feared–make people start calling him a liar? These guys were there not as they claimed, to protect Alex, but to protect Biden and anybody else that needs protecting based upon what happened in those post offices and election sites. Who leaked federal casework from an official federal investigation to the media?
Strasser is a deep state operative. Project veritas has his burner twitter account.
Yeah. I saw that. If nothing else, this shows every citizen what goes on in these “interviews” and why one should never, ever, ever speak to an agent of the federal government without a lawyer present (one who absolutely represents YOU) and maybe not even then.
The first statement a person makes is ordinarily the one given the most weight in law, iirc, although I’m not a lawyer. Only after people start getting to someone and after repercussions begin for that person, do people tend to begin shading their statements and backtracking to save themselves or others.
It’s obvious that they were scaring Alex deliberately.They admitted it! (One might almost call this witness tampering. How differently they treated this whistleblower as opposed to Vindman.)
We can almost expect them to try to charge Alex with mail tampering for writing a date on an envelope. It seemed as if they were worried that Alex followed through on that envelope somehow and could maybe prove that the ballot had been backdated. They seemed relieved to hear otherwise.
It shouldn’t matter in the long run what postmark ended up on ballots that weren’t at the elections office by 8 p.m. on Nov. 3.
Ballots collected by postal employees on Nov. 4, 5, and later are illegal ballots regardless of whether backdated or not, because they weren’t in the elections offices by 8 p.m. Nov. 3.
That said, by now they’re probably mixed together with the rest of PA’s ballots because it’s reported that some counties did NOT follow Alito’s clear order to segregate those ballots.
Please forgive me for posting off-topic, but my grandson informed me at 8:20 pm ET, that Youtube is down globally. We checked and this seems to be true.
839ET… not down for me… ipad, browser.
https://twitter.com/Project_Veritas/status/1326666863972126720
Another deep state operative being exposed!
Isn’t this the same outfit that arrested and humiliated Kolfage?
YES
Oh really… not surprised.
https://twitter.com/Project_Veritas/status/1326666863972126720?s=20
Some of these posts are an absolute disgrace, good grief!
It’s infuriating to hear these guys put words in his mouth, rewrite his statement, and reconstruct his memories. His initial memories are likely to be more accurate than whatever comes out after this interview which is more like them running a psy-op on the guy.
“These are not the droids you are looking for…”
Herr Straßers relief was palpable when he found out that Richard had not tried to chase down where ballots actually ended up within the office, i.e., that his involvement was pretty much limited to overhearing that conversation. Very telling.
Also, only douchebags say “1000 percent”.
Advice to everyone. Never talk to these guys without a lawyer, please.
They are not your friend. You are not a criminal and being interrogated. I cannot speak with without my Lawyer.
When the guy asked about gofundme. It’s so I can hire the best of the best. End of story.
2 or 3 years ago President Trump was speaking and he brought a young man who had been slandered by the liberal Fake News on stage and said “He has hired a very good attorney. He will be a very wealthy young man”.
I would say by now Richard Hopkins has probably hired a very good attorney and he will be a very wealthy young man.
I think the demonstrations should not take place in dc but in New York. Networks. Time they were encircled, maybe by so many they can’t even get off a newscast.
This man is a patriot. Why do most people allow politicians and bureaucrats to violate our rights? I don’t think it is because they are afraid to fight back. I believe it is because they are fearful of losing their jobs and not being able to provide for their family. Everyone has their own line in the sand.
What we need is to push a nationwide movement to temporarily take care of each others family if for some reason we are persecuted by politicians and their enforcers. Maybe you are a potential whistleblower but are afraid to step forward because you don’t want to lose your job. You need to know that we have your back. Imagine if a small percentage of Trump voters sent a whistleblower or their family, a dollar to help them get on their feet if the whistleblower lost their job. We can’t use GoFund Me because they are Democrat hacks. Is there a non Democrat version of Go Fund Me? If yes, what is it? Thanks for reading.
I gave to the voter fraud investigation fund at https://givesendgo.com/
Go fund me took their money away; so they went there. They advertise themselves as a Christian Organization that does crowd funding.
Russell Strasser and Charles “Chris” Klein, the interrogators…
KGB? Gestapo?
Listened to about the first 10 minutes – the IG conducting the interview sounds like a smarmy used car salesman.
Go for last ten minutes… after they find out they’ve been recorded… you’ll thank me later.
I’m thanking you later. Don’t know whether he got “permission” to have the recording – but Veritas obviously got it.
🙂