A rather disturbing report albeit on a comparatively small scale. Federal and Pennsylvania state officials are reporting on nine mail-in military ballots cast for President Trump that were discarded by election workers in Luzerne County, Pennsylvania.
Ironically, just yesterday President Trump asked all his supporters to get involved:
Pennsylvania, CBS – […] The U.S. Attorney’s Office of the Middle District of Pennsylvania says an investigation was launched Monday following reports of potential issues with a small number of mail-in ballots at the Luzerne County Board of Elections.
The FBI and Pennsylvania State Police have conducted interviews and recovered and reviewed physical evidence. Authorities say Luzerne County election officials have been cooperative.
Authorities can confirm that a small number of military ballots were discarded and investigators have recovered nine ballots so far.
Some of the discarded ballots can be attributed to specific voters and some cannot. Authorities say all nine ballots were cast for Trump. The U.S. Attorney’s Office is continuing to investigate. (read more)
Also,
Wisconsin authorities investigate trays of mail, absentee ballots found in ditch
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/mail-absentee-ballots-found-wisconsin-ditch
Fingerprints and DNA can be collected from paper and with most people in the database they have left a trail if someone dares take on the task.
Yes, well, we are talking about the FBI, aren’t we? Those were Republican ballots? Nothing to see here. Move along.
just fire WRay – and it will all be fixed.
he is a placeholder. the FIELD IS READY
The ONLY way to be sure you vote counts is to go in person, vote and put it in the machine YOURSELF!
With all this early voting crap that the D-rats started, there is really very little excuse not to vote in person unless you are housebound or incapacitated. Use to be, you had to have a damn good excuse to get an absentee ballot until the D-rats figured out you can throw out a lot of votes for their opponets that way. They have people there challenging EVERY absentee ballot that goes against them and most times, the ballot is thrown out. Haven’t you ever wondered why all the “found” votes always go to the D-rats? Well……
Vote in person and make sure your vote counts.
“The ONLY way to be sure you vote counts is to go in person, vote and put it in the machine YOURSELF!”
There are no machines in Oregon.
The only way to vote, at all, in Oregon – is by mail.
We moved here in 2011, and that is the way it has been at least since then.
There is no machine in Oregon. There is no polling place in Oregon.
I don’t know if President Trump knows that.
Clarification: rather than actually mailing the ballot, it can also be dropped off in a “collection box” which is provided in most communities. In other words, the voter delivers it into a collection point (rather than to a mailbox) ….there still is no machine. There still is no way to “vote in person”. It is dropped off and left to the tender mercies of the junior bureaucrats.
Same way in Washington. I wait until election day to drop it in at drive up ballot box at the local library, where this last primary it seems most of my neighbors had the same idea.
Hmmm …. Oregon and Washington, what a coincidence!?!
It is exactly the same in Colorado. Ballots are sent and I drop it off on the day of the election at the drop box in the Courthouse.
FWIW, my view on the whole “collection box” theory is to avoid mail fraud. Once a stamp is on a letter, package, or ballot, it may be subject to federal laws.
In other words, if a person submits multiple ballots to a collection box; they are likely not subject to mail fraud, a federal offense, but a state charge of voter fraud, as states control their elections, not the federal government.
May be the problem out there in the western US.
“It is not the people who vote that counts. It is the people who count the votes”
– Josef Stalin
Machines!
Remember when we all cried to get rid of the machines? Now here we are with one more way for Marxists to try to overthrow elections with blind mail in voting. Text voting next.
Avoid the rush, beat a Democrat today.
The “machines” that are scanners lock in place atop locked bins are fine. Your vote has gone through the first step in tabulation before your ballot has landed. You have a paper trail — the ballots. You can have a hand recount in cause you don’t trust that the software has been properly programmed because you have the ballots.
I have participated in a hand recount because of a programming error. You have to work in teams because people come up with different counts even when counting in small batches.
The tabulation machines are hackable. If they have not taken it down, I recommend “Fractional Magic” on Youtube from 2016 about how easy it is to affect the vote count remotely with current technology.
But at least there is a paper ballot if the computer count is challenged. Unlike the voting machines that just automatically send your vote to the democrat candidate without any kind of paper back up.
I loved the purple fingers in Iraq and Afghanistan. Vote on election day, stay all day if needed. That’s why things are closed. Voters dip their finger into purple dye. No voting twice, and show ID. Period. Require real reasons and verification for absentee voting, with tamper-proof envelope. If we manage to get the House I think the Republicans need to overhaul our voting laws. This is cutting it too close, and the Left has turned voter fraud into a cottage industry. No more.
If mail-in voting was deemed absolutely essential to save lives, why did Democrats wait so long to demand it.
States would need advance time to implement if they don’t have a system already?
I do not live in Oregon and can only provide my experience voting by mail in ballot. During the last election I went to drop off my ballot at the polling place in the collection box. That collection box was full, overflowing and ballots were all over the ground. The collection box was inside the polling place located right behind the table of polling greeters. There were so many ballots on the floor that they were practically under the greeters chairs. The line to enter the polling place was within arms length of that collection box. Anyone could reach down and pick up a few to toss later.
I was appalled at the lack of attention the polling persons gave to the collection box.
Most elections I choose to vote in person. However, every time I vote I ask questions of the polling place persons upon entering and along the way. None of them seem knowledgeable or concerned in any fashion. It is truly sad.
And people wonder why republicans are concerned about dems cheating!
I’m sure POTUS has no idea….
hi Sharon
https://sos.oregon.gov/voting/Pages/drop-box-locator.aspx
check this out!!
I know where my drop off box is. That is not a problem for me.
I think it’s a problem that anyone assumes that voting in person is possible in every state in the union.
My comment was in response to a recommendation that is not applicable in Oregon.
gotcha..
curious:
will you do the mail drop?
or do you trust the postal service ?
I will take my ballot to the drop box. Would never trust the postal service with it.
me too.
that’s the advise I’m giving folks who want to vote but avoid the voting centers.
It’s not who votes that count, it who counts the vote!
Sharon, can you drop it off at your county election office?
Oregon, Washington and Hawaii all have all mail-in voting. I believe there are 2 other states as well but which ones escapes me atm. Look at the make-up of the government in those 3 (5?) states and I am willing to bet you will find mostly dims in office. From dog catcher to governor. Why does anyone think the dims want all mail-in voting? Because it is so easy to cheat with it. And ballot harvesting. Why is that even allowed? I am very concerned for the outcome of this election.
Yup. To your entire comment.
since oregon imposed ‘vote by mail’ how is that only democrats win elections in oregon?
In South Dakota we can hand deliver our ballot to the county auditor’s office, if we want to avoid polling station
Yes, vote in person if at all possible, but even that is no guarantee. Democrats in Sacramento fixed the voting machines in 2000. I know. It would not register a vote for a Bush at my poling station. All the electronic machiness since then just make cheating easier and less transparent.
Fraction Magic.
If anyone watches one video today, watch this…
What a shocker!
It mentioned IT guys. i immediately remembered the Awan Brothers being called IT guys.. Was that what they did, use the fraction magic? Didn’t they take some equipment back to their home country?
Then there’s that computer/laptop that was taken away from Debbie Wasserman Schultz and she was very very demanding about having it back from the Capitol Hill Police. I wonder if her computer had “fraction magic” or what ever, to change the voting numbers.
DWS’s drama happened between May to July 2017. I hope Trump Admin made copies of what’s on it before returning it to her.
The story moves quickly. It is best to watch it at your best alerted time, but well worth watching.
WSB I watched it but I did not begin to understand how hiding the numbers after the decimal can switch the vote totals from 87% for one candidate to 80% for the opposing candidate. There is an awful lot that just whizzed by the screen without explanation.
If the machines were legitimate, the math would be done using integer variables. You can never have a fractional vote.
What they are saying is that there is math applied to the actual; integer votes. Scale factors are applied to provide any result desired. The last step is to truncate the scaled fraudulent vote count to an integer, but throwing away all the digits after the decimal point.
The criminal democrat specifies who wins and by how much. The program calculates scale factors in real time to ensure that the desired candidate wins by the desired percentage, regardless of the real number of votes.
The program is so sophisticated, it can even simulate “cliff hanger” elections where the republican is slightly ahead near the end of the election, but the democrat swoops in for a win at the end, regardless of the actual votes cast.
No election machine should be connected to an ethernet cable or a wireless network. That is how democrats have cheated using these machines (which I have read are made mostly by companies owned by George Soros).
With the network connection, the IT person doing the cheating can be remotely located and cheat at numerous voting places. If the machine is not networked, the IT guy has to gain access to the machine and program who will be the winner in person, so it is a bit harder and takes a fair amount of traveling.
So the switching of actual vote totals was simply done after the fraudulent percentages were input ?
The hidden fractions were simply due to the preprogrammed (fraudulent) percentages?
I could not understand the connection between the fractions and the switched vote totals – whether it was automatic or due to someone inputting the numbers..
Votes are not fractions. There is only a single 1 vote, but in order to manipulate a voting machine all votes must be changed to 100%, because there is no other real way to create a formula without fractions. Thus, the votes get changed first and then the percentage manipulation begins.
The way this one man found out what was going on is that he realized the record of these fractions are hidden unless someone knows to look for that report.
He found this by accident.
Crazy, huh?
There is less opportunity for mischief with machine balloting, The older electro-mechanical machines with levers one pulled downward had an internal paper roll and multiple tally recorders including a lifetime of the machine counter that was tamper proof. People should vote in person unless at a polling place on election day. Absentee ballots for military and people who apply for same with a valid reason. Voter registration rolls should be cross referenced on an annual basis with state state vital statistics and tax records. I stop short of dipping a finger in purple stain when voting.
There definitely should be purple stain placed on fingers. The demoncrats have been busing homeless people to vote multiple times in elections for years and years in places like Chicago. Except now they don’t use buses, because that is too obvious, they use fleets of minivans or similar.
This was documented by Project Veritas in Chicago, I believe.
Remember that once a mail or harvested ballot is received on election day this is no way for officials to verify that it’s fraudulent so it’s counted. It’s just too late to do anything which is why Democrats dump sacks of ballots right before the 8pm closing! You’re screwed!
If you are mailing in a ballot it might be wise to go to a post office in a heavy democrat area. It is the heavy republican areas they will mess with.
Wow! Brilliant idea bertdilbert. Thanks for sharing it.
Best,
Simple Citizen
they are running your name against voter registry . name repub toss
its does not matter.
this is why the Bernie- Seth Rich thing blew up. they were stealing voter reg rols from all DNC members (to vote for non oted people)
what is a “non oted” person?
I think he meant non voted people…
Susan – always there to remind me of my sticky fingers.
i have been getting better!
essentially – they run the ‘name’ that vote , against the remaining registered names available – and go to work …. (voting for them)
The problem with your suggestion, bertdilbert, is, from what I’ve read, their are codes on the mail identifying that you’re a registered Republican, Democrat, or Independent. An unscrupulous election official or postal worker just throws out the undesirable coded ballot/mail.
There is no problem with the suggestion. Mailing ballot yes/no? My suggestion is making it past postal interception. What happens after an election official gets it may be a different story.
If your goal was to intercept democrat mail in votes would you put your best efforts into a republican zip code?
That should be true during a primary but not during a general election.
We go straight to our Office of Registrar and either vote or drop our ballot there inside the office where they have a mailing box. We have been doing that for several election cycles.
We do have to drive 30 mins by freeway to get there, but… this is one piece of paper that we considered the most important paper of two years that we are willing to do this….For Country.
I don’t trust our post office and in the last 3 months the mailperson has been messing up our mails every day again. “Neighbors” to one side of us are anti-Trump and the other side is an AirBnB (a nightmare-a story for another day). Neither place is safe for our mail to be “accidentally’ dropped off there.
That is what I do in St. Petersburg Florida. Drop it into a box at the registrar office. You can go on line the day of the polls close and see if your vote was counted.
You are not alone Gramma.
Biden voters in our neighborhood plaster their houses with Biden clutter.
Trump voters do not put anything on their house.
It is good. We know who our compatriots are….
Grandma, why do you drive 30 minutes to the registrar? Isn’t your polling place closer?
I think the signature verification is going to drag this on for way too long. There is no system to make sure this is done accurately and timely. This election will be ripe with fraud and the president is right to challenge it in court.
What does “discarded” mean in this story? Anybody got any idea where or how? Mailman? Election worker?
Love the linked story telling us that these are, “mail-in ballots” and that, “Trump objects to mail-in ballots, but has voted by mail in the past.” I keep forgetting how stupid we all are. SMH.
And just WHO gave you this information???????I would think that the only one who would know how he voted would be President Trump.
Pres Trump said this, clive. No worries.
Great question though, well-done!
No one here is stupid.
One may request an absentee ballot, and receive and return a mail-in ballot from their state’s Secretary of State. That is safe.
Socialist democrats are sending out ballots, not ballot requests, to everyone on their state’s voter rolls, rolls which are rarely, if ever, cleaned-up and verified.
The state’s Sec of State tracks mail-in ballot returns, and a person voting by mail will not be permitted to vote in person.
There is no way to track or verify the recipient of the Socialist democrat ballot scheme, no way account for if a person voted by mail and in person. Major snafu and fubar.
Democrats routinely cheat by any means necessary.
In 2012, two days after early voting ended — and one day before Election Day — Palm Beach County allowed voters to cast absentee ballots in person. Palm Beach County Supervisor of Elections Susan Bucher (D) abused absentee ballots.
https://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/news/national-govt-politics/palm-beach-county-accepting-absentee-ballots-today/nSxG7/
https://www.bizpacreview.com/2012/11/05/palm-beach-county-republicans-burned-by-democratic-election-supervisor-7274
https://www.bizpacreview.com/2012/11/05/pbc-elections-supervisor-refuses-to-provide-information-except-to-the-liberal-media-7310
Gotta love them Postal UNIONS.
I hope this is widely publicized among Republicans so people will be galvanized to vote for Pres Trump. We need every possible vote since some will be “mistakenly” discarded.
Last I checked, the Scranton Times-Tribune, the main paper in the area, was not even covering the story. I did submit it to the them via email. I suspect that unless you are on a conservative website you may never hear about it.
And this November and December, teams of lawyers will be racking up huge fees sorting through the mess of mail voting.
And presstitutes will be frothing at the mouth about how crooked any dem loss is …
If you could walk into any US Post Office in America stand in line talk to the postal clerk and mail a package since February why can’t you do the same thing at an Elections Office in November????
Because that would preclude needing the new “mail-in ballot scheme” and that would severely limit the opportunity to submit massive numbers of fraudulent ballots.
The Democrats need the USPS as the primary hander of ballots so they can commit massive fraud without easy detection, especially in states that extend the acceptance period for two weeks after election day, and for the heavily-Democrat-biased USPS workers to conveniently “lose” Republican ballots while “multiplying” Democrat ballots “in transit”…..
But but but mail-in election fraud is a myth. Twitter fake-news flags POTUS’s tweets about mail-in fraud and puts a link so you can “learn the truth about the safety of mail-in voting”.
Join Parler. No censorship of President Trump or any bona fide conservatives there. They seem to only filter hard filth and useless nasty ad hominem.
Why doesn’t President Trump mandate that no election results are shown until all States are done counting? I know the media would howl, but it would sure change the way those last minute ballots showing up and walla – Democrat is now ahead! During the 2018 midterms, the west coast was still voting and Fox News and other outlets already announced winners. That is voter suppression!
I like your suggestion, but at this point, if conservatives on the west coast leave the voting lines because of what is being reported on the east coast–that is, actually BELIEVING the lies of the media–they are suppressing their own vote. If you live in the mountain and pacific time zones, STAY IN LINE, even when the polls officially close!!!!!! They have to let you vote if the polls officially close and you are in line. This is war, so HOLD THE LINE! On Election Day, we become Trump’s foot soldiers.
You would think the Republican Senate would get proactive like the Democraps do but, instead they hoist the burden on Trump.
Except for a handful, they’re passive. That’s the kindest thing I can say about the gop.
each state sets their ownoen rules
even for and especially for presidential candidates.
now my personal gripe is the very corrupt “compact” established by several states (all Democrat) that essentially requires them all to select the same candidate which results as you would expect a dem candidate. these compacts is a direct assault on individual soverignty of states and is a means to destroy any votes for any other party. I believe the largest compact involves 6-7 states…
what this does is undermines the principles of the electoral college.
this was made possible because these same states legislated these compacts.
if the GOP and conservative party is to fight back there must he an effort to sue these states… OR follow suit and have traditionally GOP and conservative states to sign on to their own compacts.
butni would not hold my breath of the latter…most of these conservative states are fiercely loyal to independence…at their own peril when dealing with national elections (not state)
you can read more here
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Popular_Vote_Interstate_Compact
Fanbeav ,
In Washington State the *Reveal* from the East Coast
and Middle Times Zones has been Going On for a Lot More Years than 2018 !
I can remember it happening Before I was even old enough to vote !
I specifically remembering asking my Parents about it !
Those were days when You had to Actually Go to a Polling Place to vote .
It was Several Years After I was old enough to vote that Washington State became All Mail-In Voting .
Don’t like Mail-In Voting , Never Have , and on the West Coast We are Still Seeing *Projected Wins* from other Time Zones , Even with the 8P Voter Day Cut-Off in Pacific Time and some votes are Not Even Counted Yet !
That is Wrong !
It may “be wrong” but, as far as I’m concerned, anyone who gives up their right to vote just because they heard about some projected win further east has revealed something about themselves that is just as wrong.
My vote is never based on an assumption that “my side will win”. Never. And I would never not vote because of an expectation of a loss.
We have way too many people (in both numbers and percentages) who are either unwilling or unable to think. Just want to feel good, apparently, and maybe can’t bring themselves to vote because they don’t think they’ll win.
well.
think about how many leave the stadium before the Game is over.. some in the third qtr!
there is a rather high percentage of people who do this. i call them the win lose crowd. its not the sport and competition…its the expected win for them… so they aren’t interested when their fav team is far behind.
the media exploits this human condition. you can see it in the dubious polls… and on “game day”..,there is always a HOST of so called experts predicting with “certainty” who is ahead…
many people look at this and they do respond or not accordingly.
it should not be this way…but it is.
i have quite a few friends who would rather gauge the media…and the “numbers”…before doing anything…
yes… it’s sad lazy excuse and it dishonors every single man and woman who fought and died for this country…
many people just don’t give a damn…
it will be interesting to see the number with mail voting becoming the primary means. i hope people can at least lick a damned stamp.
Your second to last paragraph pretty well covers it, I’m think.
The MSM have been doing that since the 70’s. Sometimes the election is called before California even votes.
The Michigan Secretary of State mislabeled military ballots with the wrong addresses on purpose and ALL of the communist claim they made a mistake.
The fraudulent midterms are now paying off for the communist in our government while Not one Person who swears an oath ever intended on upholding it to defend against ALL enemies foreign or domestic.
The Michigan SOS’s office issued 400 incorrect ballot images for use by the military and others. A libertarian’s name appeared instead of Mike Pence’s.
https://www.freep.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/09/15/ballots-omitting-mike-pence-name-in-error/5810906002/
If you click on that link, you’ll see another link inside that says Michigan has had a record number of requests for ballot by mail.
I am a Michigander – and appalled at the military ballot snafu, this was not a mistake at all. What I see is that they’ll say there is no way they can get out a replacement ballot for the military — and all military voters will be disenfranchised. Gretchen the Terrible, Dana Nessel (AG) and Jocelyn Benson (Secretary of State – elections here) are not to be trusted EVER. They are out for power and will use whatever shenanigans they deem necessary.
Add this to the three trays of mail found in a ditch near the Appleton International Airport in Wisconsin that included absentee ballots. You just know the cheating and corruption is taking place alkl over the country.
Democrats are trash.
Dan Bongino nicely outlines Democrat tactics. When they are in control, they change the rules. When they can’t change the rules, the appeal to the courts. When they can’t appeal to the courts, they explode.
It’s not like we didn’t already KNOW that’s why they are so bothered by Trump appointing a new SCOTUS justice. It’s not about Obamacare or Abortion. It’s about the court challenges resulting from the FUBAR election they have in mind. They expect their leftist judges to rule in their favor and a 50/50 split SCOTUS ruling would let stand the ruling of the lower courts.
This is ALL about the election. They know they are losing the house. They know their minority status in the senate will shrink further. They know they’ve doomed themselves and yet they can’t seem to stop themselves from doing it.
I’m not scared… but I’m not “non-nervous” either. We’re in for a wild ride. I’m still wondering how we can actually tame this beast which is the Democrats and Media. Trump makes them crazy, which is great, but they seem to be relentless in what they do.
When the shootin starts,well see how brave they are.
Add this to the three trays of mail found in a ditch near the Appleton International Airport in Wisconsin that included absentee ballots. You just know the cheating and corruption is taking place alkl over the country.
Democrats are trash.
Disenfranchising the military. That’s the Dems, alright. I suspect all this is just the tip of the iceberg.
They have been doing this to our military for decades.
That’s a fact Jac!
And the press screams, “Where’s the proof that mail in voting can be fraudulent?”
Henry, the press is ignoring the mail fraud just like they ignore the riots and stealing and all. They just don’t want to report it so the general public will think it isn’t true
The Democrats in Florida are notorious. The day after the Governor’s election the gap mysteriously closed almost 200k votes. And the Democrat candidate was caught taking graft before the election and confirmed a crack head afterwards. President Trump knows that the Antifa squad is going to cheat like hell and I know for sure they will.
I thank Gd all the time that the woman in charge was FINALLY caught red-handed and after some time, finally stepped down. I shudder when I think of how close we in Florida came to utter disaster . If they had not caught her, the vile-adulterous-caught-with-male-strippers-and-drugs-D-rat Gillum would have been our Governor.
Yes it is frightening that it was that close even with the cheating and fraud! I wouldn’t trust Dade, Broward or Orange county as far as I could throw the state of Florida.
Brenda Snipes is not a name, it’s a method.
I hope you Florida Treepers remember that Matt Gaetz and Laura Loomer were two of the persons who showed the heck up at the Broward County elections office to peacefully protest. It wasn’t Matt Gaetz’s district. He was safe. All the same, he made his way down there and stood with a bullhorn on the tail of a truck to do what he could to cheer the troops along.
I have long said that with all the Democraps in the postal service the easiest form of ballot fraud will be to screen out and discard some portion of Trump ballots. This can be done by any local USPS route workers, who know which addresses house likely Trump voters (people who receive mail from conservative oriented non-profits and fundraising orgs., for example). Also, certain zip code demographics which lean more heavily conservative (i.e., they don’t even have to examine or fabricate individual ballots)….. the USPS is full of people who will be all too happy to ensure that fewer Trump/Pence ballots get through to be counted.
The only secure balloting system is totally in-person and anonymous, so that no one can intercept, remove, alter, or fabricate any ballots enroute to counting locations.
Lots of people put big signs on their yard that announce how they vote!
It’s so easy for any unscrupulous person to “misplace” ballots from the household where people think ‘wrong.’
Would go out on a limb and say that among postal system employees there are at least 80% democrats, similar to the nation’s federal employees. They have no business being involved in our voting system. None whatsoever!
I can’t remember where I read it, but in California a woman posted pictures of 2 absentee ballots sent to their home. One was to registered democrat and one to registered republican. On the code on the outside of the envelope the code started with a d or an r. So if that’s the case, they can throw out republican votes with certainty. If it were me, I’d register as a democrat and then vote r down the line. 🙂
That’s what I’m doing. I registered demoncrat, to enhance the likelihood of my vote being counted in CA. I am convinced that the poll workers throw away republican ballots at my voting place. In 2018, I brought my absentee ballot to the local polling place, which was now staffed by people not from our neighborhood, like in many years previous.
A poll worker took my ballot and proceed to try to put it into a collection box. The supervisor, someone who looked like a hardcore BLM militant, raced over and yelled at her and said, no, it must go in the second collection box. There were 3 collection boxes. I suspect that one was for democrat ballots, one was for republican ballots and the third was for absentee or provisional ballots.
The workers were very hostile and would explain nothing. They were not citizens from the neighborhood. They looked like a gang of antifa and BLM protestors that could have been collected from a riot in Portland Oregon. Heavily tattooed and some looked like gang members.
It was really bizarre. In previous years there were always elderly retirees from the neighborhood, that were friendly and helpful. This crew was just nasty and they did not look like they belonged there.
They almost certainly were not republicans. I bet every one of them was a rabid democrat, socialist or communist. This is in a relatively heavily republican area of Los Angeles (yes, they do exist).
I have heeded the advice of our VSGPDJT and am now an election judge in my Illinois County.
Me too! Just became an election judge this morning.
JN, good job from a fellow Illinoisan. I posted this in the open thread just now but figured my post also belongs on this thread dedicated to vote fixing, election fraud, etc.
“Boys, this election has gone too one sided to suit me and just to show them fellers down in Tucson that there is no coercion in this camp I am going to give Bob Paul one.” “So on the morning of election day John Ringo, Curly Bill, Milt and Billy Hicks, Joe Hill and a few others rode into the little station of San Simon…. on the Southern Pacific Railroad, and took possession of the voting precinct and all of them proceeded to vote, and to make sure that none had been left out or overlooked, they voted several times over again, then they got all the white people of the little place – men, women and children, probably eight or ten in all, and voted them in the same manner, then they rounded up the Chinese and Mexican section hands and voted them two or three times over, then they voted all their horses and a dog or two and a stray cat, and finally to make sure no one was neglected and not been given a chance to cast his ballot, they voted every one over again.”
An exaggerated account of Democrat ballot stuffing from the book.: Ride the Devil’s Herd. Wyatt Earp’s Epic Battle Against the West’s Biggest Outlaw Gang by John Boessenecker.
The Cowboys (gang of outlaws opposed to Wyatt Earp and family) from the Tombstone, AZ area successfully fixed an election (primarily through ballot stuffing- the election was later overturned) for Sherriff of Pima County/Tucson, AZ in 1882. Guess what political party the Cowboys/outlaws belonged to? Hint: it wasn’t the Republican Party.
I know President Trump had Jack Kemp head up the election “integrity” department to look at States to see if there was voter fraud. How was it that states could just say “no” you can’t look at our records. And why was that not taken to the Supreme Court?
There is a history to that. It dates back to 1982. It was not taken to the Supreme Court because, decades ago, the Republicans agreed that they would not investigate voter fraud.
Here is one link that provides background.
https://freedomoutpost.com/gop-legally-barred-from-fighting-voter-fraud/
I head read in the past that this has expired, and per this 2014 article it has ~
“The judge in the 1982 case, a Carter appointee, Dickinson Debevoise, continued to control the case after retirement.
Appeals have failed to lift the order.
In a 2008 lawsuit, the definition of ballot security efforts was clarified as ‘any program aimed at combating voter fraud by preventing potential voters from registering to vote or casting a ballot,’ and upheld the consent decree but agreed to add Dec. 1, 2017 as an expiration date.”
https://www.independentsentinel.com/rnc-cant-fight-voter-fraud-until-2017-after-its-too-late/
Yes, here it is ~
“As reported by NJ.com on January 9, 2018, Judge Vazquez ruled that the Democratic National Committee did not prove that the RNC violated the Consent Decree prior to its Dec. 1, 2017, expiration date.
And with that, Judge Vazquez, an Obama appointee, ended that noxious 1982 Consent Decree legal agreement between the RNC and DNC which had tied the Republican Party’s hands from contesting elections and investigating vote fraud for 36 years.”
https://www.investmentwatchblog.com/end-of-1982-consent-decree-gop-finally-can-contest-vote-fraud-after-36-years/
Support groups like Judicial Watch who are suing to force states to clean up their voter roles as they are ALREADY REQUIRED TO DO–except they don’t. JW is doing what the DOJ SHOULD have been doing all along-
Jack Kemp? Kris Kobach maybe.
Yeah well you can view this as a mere RIPPLE on the pond compared to the tsunami of fraud that’s coming-todays NYT says Durham is looking into the Clinton Foundation–and just this week Sundance said that ‘there is something going on with Weissman that Durham is looking at’ even though he didn’t know what. Remember Felonia Von Pantsuit’s comment that ‘if Trump wins we all hang’ (or something like that)? This is all coming to a head and if POTUS wins then they KNOW their A$$ is in the fryer- can’t say it enough–VOTE IN PERSON AND TELL EVERYONE TO DO THE SAME-these people are beyond desperate-
Military votes are what I worry about most. It is disgusting that these people give their service to our country, make it possible for the rest of us to be free to vote, and this is how they are rewarded.
A hastily set-up vote by mail system put in place by democrats
Ballots sent out by the millions with no checks and balances
Ballots handled by USPS employee’s, 99.9% of which are democrats
In person voting tabulated on voting machines manufactured by a company with ties to a certain radical democrat billionaire
Radical activist democrat judges in place to rule on voting “issues”
Supreme Court sits silent
GOP “leadership” with fingers in their ears bleating “I can’t hear you”
What could go wrong? Only everything, absolutely everything
Our Republic is crumbling and on the cusp of an absolute collapse
This one is on the American people. We’ve got to overwhelm the fraud with votes, more votes than ever before
Get your families and friends off their butts and into the voting booth
Every election is big, but this is THE big one. The survival of our Republic is at stake, along with our children’s futures
Vote. Get as many people out as you can and vote. Nothing is more important at this time
Curious…why isn’t POTUS or the RNC or someone challenging this mail in ballot horse$hit in court? We are literally +/- 40 days from the election.
They have been. Where have you been?
And they are already appealing many decisions made in lower courts to extend mail in count. So ya, I am a Canuck and even I caught that. Better read up House!
It’s a game of Whac-A-Mole.
And they’re LOSING.
Citation please.
Curious that you haven’t been watching Trump’s public speaking. He announced several cases where he is challenging what’s going on. A new SCOTUS justice will help resolve those issues nicely.
The left say’s he’s trying to destroy democracy. 🙂 They are changing the integrity of this election to almost 0 and they claim Trump trying to stop them is destroying democracy.
I am heartened every time I see more regular people take notice and condemn. Just as China is losing friends around the world, so too are Democrats.
In Texas, the litigation never stops. When Greg Abbott was Texas AG during the Obama administration, he described his day as
1) get up and get ready to sue the federal government,
2) spend the entire day at the office suing the federal government,
3) go home and get some rest so that he could be ready to sue the federal government tomorrow.
The Dimms have not let up. Elijah Cummings was sending demand letters pretty much from his death bed.
Thank goodness that our AG Ken Paxton fights back vigorously.
“THIS ONE”? They’ve ALL been big, but the voters have some-up small or no-shows.
I don’t understand how any ballot can be valid if a third party handles it after a voter casts it. The only valid votes are the ones which go directly from the voter into the machine or into the ballot box.
Any vote which is ever in the possession of a third party must be declared invalid. What is so hard to understand about that? What am I missing?
What you are not understanding is the Democrats demand power at any cost. And they and their media entourage have manipulated their way into dumping ballots all over the place. They are going to round them all up and deliver them the day after election day and every day thereafter until they have the requisite number to win!
Funny how discarded ballots are always Republican votes and newly found ballots are always demonrat votes. ?
Whoever did this needs to be made an example of with a lengthy prison sentence.
They’re as likely to get prison as Comey.
How would the person throwing them away know they were cast for Trump?
See vadrandma’s comment upthread about codes on outside of envelopes.
https://twitter.com/JamesOKeefeIII/status/1309194520253399040
FBI Director Christopher Wray said the bureau has not seen any evidence of widespread voter fraud. He made the comments during a Senate hearing Thursday.
He actually parsed that a little too cutely. No nation wide voter fraud. Of course all voter fraud is local because we don’t have a nation wide voting system,
agree.
tricky lawyers… carefully chosen words
How that puke Wray can publicly say these bald-faced lies and expect a majority will believe him is well beyond me. I must assume Wray does not care whether anyone believes him other than the fake news.
“Installed”
I received a mail-in ballot last week. It was promptly ripped up and scattered among several trash receptacles.
I’ll be voting in person.
We have received several “applications” here in Northern Virginia.
We run them through the shredder. Also voting with hubbs in person.
Plan on lines, bring snacks and full battery on your cell.
It wouldn’t have hurt to keep it and take it in with you, in case somebody tries to tell you that you already voted by mail.
That’s what I’m doing – taking both the applications I received with me.
Also voting in person partly because of what someone above said about the mailman knowing who I support. I get multiple mailers from PDJT and other Rs _daily_ because of my donations, and will be until November. No way I would let the local post office in blueMA handle my vote.
I early voted once, in 2018. I was disturbed to notice that the envelope my vote went into at city hall could be identified by party – at least I think it could. That was my last experiment with that!
In person – even if I have to crawl over broken glass.
If anything goes wrong on the road to my polling place I can walk. And will.
ARIZONA ~ Voter Fraud in the making . . . County Recorder intends to turn AZ BLUE!!!!
▶Fontes Ignores Supreme Court Ruling, Advises Voters To Cross Out Errors | Arizona Daily Independent ~ 9/21/20 ~ https://arizonadailyindependent.com/2020/09/21/fontes-ignores-supreme-court-ruling-advises-voters-to-cross-out-errors/
▶▶Judge Calls On Fontes To Explain Ballot Printing | Arizona Daily Independent ~ 9/13/20
https://arizonadailyindependent.com/2020/09/13/judge-calls-on-fontes-to-explain-conflicting-statements-about-ballot-printing/
▶▶▶Recorder Fontes To Violate Election Laws | Arizona Daily Independent ~ 9/4/20
https://arizonadailyindependent.com/2020/09/04/paper-shortage-allows-maricopa-county-recorder-fontes-to-violate-election-laws/
I have a friend who has been working out here in Texas for a few months.
He is timing his travel home to Arizona specifically to be able to vote for Donald Trump in person during the early voting period out there. He is one of those persons who never used to vote.
God Bless him
Good to hear, Sherri. We’re attempting to stop the fraud nonsense but people in high places aren’t helping if you get my drift. Lots of corruption in Arizona.
It is time to standardize voting procedures nationwide. Time to set a consistent last date for registering prior to election, mandate voter ID, eliminate mail in ballot, retain absentee voting for the benefit of on duty military personnel and homebound populations. standardize and service the counting machines. Maintain the electoral college. These are just a few basics to begin with.
Constitutionally voting is a STATES rights issue. Are you going full libtard radical and suggesting we ignore the US Constitution? The federal government under the 14th Amendment and 1965 Voting Rights Act can ensure a fair and equal election among the electorate but cannot dictate LEGALLY how to vote.
It may very well take a Constitutional Amendment but pacnwbel has the right idea.
Article 1 Section. 4. The Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof; but the Congress may at any time by Law make or alter such Regulations, except as to the Places of choosing Senators.
It isn’t working in CA. The demoncrats have allowed illegal aliens to vote, green card holders to vote, felons to vote and the poll workers run away screaming if you even try to show some ID when you vote.
Then there is the vote harvesting that continues for weeks after the election where the demoncrats hire armies of people to fill in ballots to win all the races, after they know how many votes to fabricate to defeat the peoples will totaled on election day.
My daughter was in the military and requested an absentee ballot from Dr. Brenda Snipes in Broward County, Florida. The absentee ballot package came to her with everything BUT THE BALLOT! The package had the return envelope, the secret envelope and detailed instructions including a short description of the elections office but no ballot. What a coincidence!
Sounds like a Snipes move. She should actually be spending time for election fraud, as it was, she tried to challenge being fired in court. Fortunately she lost.
Hopefully a rich Republican will offer a $50,000 reward for tips leading to the arrest and conviction of anyone attempting to destroy, falsify, create, or otherwise manipulate ballots cast in the 2020 election.
Come on Republicans sue to stop vote by mail. Vote by mail is racist. It disenfranchises people with a poor education and with reading comprehension issues. Many of these people are found in the inner cities where the dropout rate is high, where single mothers are the head of the household, where there’s no city library and where academic achievement is culturally condemned. Find a Trump judge to put forth a national ruling, beat the dims at their own game.
we should confirm our vote was entered – a second vote confirmation done as a seperate place – coordinated through a voter invoice number or similar.
we should be given a reciept of our vote (no matter the method) that we verify again at a seperate voting station (anonymously- use a number associated with our vote).
The list of who voted is a matter of public record. Not for whom a person voted, but that a person voted.
damn Wray is just a vile Deep State hack…. he can’t possibly know what is going on all over the country right now and in the next 40 days, so he phrases his dismissal of concern in historic terms… and ofc “absence of evidence is not evidence of absence” when it comes to Demoncrap voter fraud.
https://twitter.com/JamesOKeefeIII/status/1309194520253399040
I am afraid to watch this video. ??
The fact that most ballots haven’t even been mailed out yet (California ballots mailing out October 5th) might be a clue for Wray as to why there’s no evidence of voter fraud? What an idiot!
Direct Action Texas is an election watchdog group in Texas.
https://directactiontx.com/protect-your-vote-2020-quick-guides/
Right on cue, this just landed in my email inbox. This is in an adjoining county.
Gregg County Pct. 4 commissioner, others arrested in vote-harvesting scheme
https://www.news-journal.com/news/police/gregg-county-pct-4-commissioner-others-arrested-in-vote-harvesting-scheme/article_2d8d0a28-fea5-11ea-82ac-7b6f75954634.html#utm_source=news-journal.com&utm_campaign=%2Fnews%2Fpolice%2Fgregg-county-pct-4-commissioner-others-arrested-in-vote-harvesting-scheme%2Farticle-2d8d0a28-fea5-11ea-82ac-7b6f75954634.html%3Fmode%3Demail%26-dc%3D1600979881&utm_medium=auto%20alert%20email&utm_content=headline
oh my gosh. this is horrible. I can imagine this is all over the country. Michael Moore and all of his friends…. well, his friends. MM is just eating burgers
Link to AG Paxton’s press release:
https://www.texasattorneygeneral.gov/news/releases/ag-paxton-announces-joint-prosecution-gregg-county-organized-election-fraud-mail-balloting-scheme
Press release also contains link to copies of the indictments
This was a Dimm primary with the target seat being a county commissioner. It was Dimm on Dimm crime. They would have to be crazy to be too involved after this. I think this was a localized effort. Big money probably was not involved.
I was an election judge for a municipal and school trustee election a few years ago. One candidate had a family reunion happening the same weekend. His relatives who were not eligible to vote in the election showed up at the polls. One was even living in Oklahoma, but she was brought in to try to vote.
They chose to leave without voting after I asked them a few questions and made calls to the elections administrator. They apparently had not realized that we were not that sloppy.
We should vote in person and dip a finger in the ink! We use to laugh at developing nations that did this, but our system is just as corrupt.
It’s mail. Should be easily traceable to find out the chain of custody when it ended up in a damned ditch.
This is confusing. The DA called in the FBI and the U.S. attorney. Why? A tip? Interviews (apparently of elections staff) were conducted. Evidence was gathered. Discarded military ballots were recovered, 7 for Trump. Two ballots had been “resealed” by the elections staff.
In PA, there are two envelopes. The outside one has identification; the inner one is the “secrecy envelope” containing the actual ballot and it is anonymous. The DOJ says they don’t know for whom the two resealed ballots were marked.
Why would elections staff RESEAL ballot envelopes? Why were they opened in the first place? What’s the law in PA? Do they open and count them on election day, after election day, or as they come in? From what I can tell by reading news stories, the legislature is trying to change rules to allow counting before election day. Democrats want 3 weeks before, Republicans want 3 days before. That means no ballots should have been opened at all this month!
This seems to be a potential case of workers opening ballots and tossing ones they don’t like and/or changing votes and then resealing the envelopes. Their state supreme court recently ruled that “naked” ballots, those without a sealed inner envelope, can’t be counted. It’s been reported that in some states it’s easy to copy ballots on a scanner or copy machine, steam open the outer envelope, and replace the actual ballot with a copied, fraudulent ballot. In PA you’d have to steam open and reseal two envelopes.
Too many details missing.
Why Do Most Countries Ban Mail-In Ballots?: They Have Seen Massive Vote Fraud Problems
141 Pages Posted: 9 Aug 2020 Last revised: 21 Aug 2020
Crime Prevention Research Center
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3666259
All you undecided voters, even if you hate President Trump for some stupid reason, like his tweets. That is the only way he can talk to the people to hear the truth. The Liberal Companies will sensor him otherwise. President Trump is the fairest and hardest working President that this country has ever had. The Democrat Party knows this, and that is why they are trying to get President Trump out of office. President Trump has done so much for the Blacks, which the Democrats never did. Still the Democrats expect the Blacks to vote for them, like they have all these years. The Blacks aren’t dumb, they know who is working for them and the Latinos and Whites, it’s only President Trump. So if you want to get rid of the greatest President we ever had because he isn’t a smooth talking politician like the rest of our Presidents in the past, then go ahead and vote for another politician and see what he or she will do for you. NOTHING!!! President Trump is the first business President we ever had, that’s why he does things his way, not the typical corrupt way the politician Presidents do. Don’t get rid of a good President that has done so much for this country in one term and will do so much more in his second term. WAKE UP PEOPLE and get smart before it’s too late. If Corrupt Joe Biden and the Democrat Party get in, our country will no longer be America! It will be a Socialist/Communist country which will never return to AMERICA! Vote for President Donald J. Trump in November 3, 2020 and save our country, its freedom and its prosperity.
Wakie, Wakie! Get your *bleeps* to the polls come hell or high water. Vote early, but not often (like democrats and cemetery inhabitants).
Why is it always the democrats who seem to find an abandon vehicle with a box of ballots with just enough to reverse the voting and give the victory to the democrats. It happened to Dino Rossi in Washington State. Crooked Christine Gregoire demanded three recounts till she won by enough ballot(100) to overturn Dino’s victory found in the trunk of a car. Al Franken also won by a similar method.
You must vote at the Poll. That is the only way your vote will be counted. The Liberal Democrats will rig this Election 100% and the only safe way to get your vote counted is by going to the Poll and vote there. Mail in voting is the most crooked way to vote and that’s what Democrats are counting on. If this Election will be rigged, which it will and they can’t decide who won. Guess who will be your next President, it will be Nancy Pelosi the Speaker of House, because she is 3rd in line. Don’t let this happen, vote at the Poll and beat the Socialist/Communist Democrat Party from taking over our country and turning America in to a Socialist/Communist country. Vote for President Donald J. Trump November 3, 2020 and keep our country free, safe and working.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/09/confirmed-democrats-leftie-attorney-marc-elias-just-stole-election-north-carolina-gop-not-put-fight/
What is RNC doing
I am amazed that anyone is surprised by this. The USPS worker’s union endorsed Hiden Biden. What do you expect?
VOTE IN PERSON!
If Trump loses this election due to cheating, it’s his own damn fault. We have been screaming for years about it. He’s had almost 4 years to do something about it (2 with R House & Senate) – nothing was done. Tom Fitton has been the only one who has actually done anything about voter roll clean up,
This is THE MOST IMPORTANT aspect of our system – PROTECTING OUR VOTE !
I feel the same way about Republican Governors. They are voted in by the hair of their chinny, chin, chin and don’t do anything about cheating in their state. George Soros is doing something. He manages to effect the election outcomes time after time after time… while we do nothing.
There should be national guidelines for each state to follow, like VOTER ID, absentee ballots must be requested by the individual voter, military votes from overseas can be done on-line so there is no delay, no vote harvesting, absolute deadline of election day, clean up of voter rolls.
Why should my vote in FL be negated by some illegal vote in Michigan? EVERY vote should be treated the same – handled in the same way – counted fairly across the US.
Seriously, this has been an issue since John Kennedy’s election. (and probably before that)
An oldie, but a goodie: