lol well, if you don’t care if things fall apart more than they already have because the chaos is a good cover for you, then why wouldn’t’ they be ok with this?

They probably just don’t want to lose their teacake invites and special access when it comes right down to it.

Furthermore, they should give Trump back his papers and memorabilia they themselves marked classified with cover sheets they brought with them on their raid of maralago. I can’t wait for Trump to release the FBI fondling Melania’s panty drawer. You know he has the tapes of them going through her dresser drawers.

Trump will win in a landslide. I’m going to go ahead and say it now, because later the DOJ may try to hunt me down for saying it. Landslide! And everyone knows it!

President Trump’s attorneys need to file motions to vacate based on Judge Cannon’s ruling that he has no Constitutional grounds to exist as a Special Prosecutor and therefore has no further authority to continue to file motions, briefs or indictments.

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Sigh. Like a bunch of bullies not wanting to give up their share of the playground.

Like they always do, too much good press for Trump, come up with something to change that narrative. This time another BS indictment. If nothing else these people are all too predictable.

Let’s fling some sh-t at them and see what sticks…..time for red DAs to indict every last dem amd rino….

Why is Smith bringing back those statutes that have absolutely nothing whatever to do with the allegations he makes against Trump? He’s using 1512 AGAIN? Now, just what does a Joint Session of Congress have to do with WITNESSES, INFORMANTS, JURORS, SUBPOENAS, and other trappings of Courtrooms? Absolutely NOTHING. Didn’t the Supreme Court already take care of 1 512 c, 2? There it is once again.

Only one statute deals with the Electoral Vote Count conducted by Congress and that is THE ELECTORAL COUNT ACT. All of their issues are dealt with in the way that statute is written. Norman Eisen KNOWS that. Everyone knew where Trump was going from at least early December to right before January 6th. Eisen knew nothing Trump had in mind was going to work because the Electoral Count Act “fortifies” the “Certificates of Ascertainment” signed and sealed by each state’s governor. Eisen knew that Biden’s certification was a certainty despite anything Trump might try. Congress decides what Electoral Votes will be counted, and Congress counts the votes.

https://statesuniteddemocracy.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/VPP-Guide-to-Counting-Electoral-Votes.pdf

https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/RL/RL32717

This proliferation of sociopaths is directly related to eradicating fighting in schools.

Playground or after school fights that most of us grew up with until the late 90s established necessary pecking orders.

Bullies were usually put in their places by their victims, in a painful and mortifying fashion, at some point when the person on the receiving end finally had enough.

The former bullies developing sociopathy is nipped in the bud, and the former bullied gained confidence and popularity.

Once students were expelled for fighting, that is when the sociopaths exploded and the bullied now fueled by prescription antidepressants or amphetamines, isolation and ever more violent and realistic video games started picking up rifles to regain their standing.

(* “Three O’Clock High” was one of my favorite movies growing up, maybe one of the best of the 80’s, it definitely gave me inspiration when I needed it dealing with those who thought bullying me was a good idea)

There’s “defrauding of the people’s government” all right, but it’s not by President Trump.

When Trump wins, fire all three of them for personally motivated persecution of former President and never let them work in govt ever again.

Then file personal lawsuits against them for damages. Drag the proceedings for 5 years. Let them be in Trump shoes for a change.

All to just keep the fake news running the negative print and video clips to interfere with the election. Ds are low IQ to require this story to repeat daily, but PDJT’s, RFKJr’s (and his sidekick) and JD’s coverage is bombarding the news. From what I’m seeing, non-fake-news is giving extensive coverage. PT’s numerous alternative on-line channels has given good viewership. Hope they vote.

Gotta have continuity about j6, come hell or high water. I can see Trump’s polling numbers on the rise again.

Oddly, on page 36 just above Jack Smith’s signature, there is a empty space for the foreperson to sign that it is a true bill.

I’m not a lawyer but it seems to me they shouldn’t be allowed to use the same Grand Jury when the prosecution used privileged information to get the original true bill.

Maybe someone can explain for me.

Why the long face Mary?

I knew this would be coming, but man, it’s so thin you can see thru it. The Lawfare Bros are running out of ideas and time.

This is my analysis of the applicability of 18 USC 1512 to the allegations Smith describes in his indictment:

18 U.S. Code § 1512 – Tampering with a witness, victim, or an informant
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(a)
(1)Whoever kills or attempts to kill another person, with intent to—
(A)prevent the attendance or testimony of any person in an official proceeding;
(B)prevent the production of a record, document, or other object, in an official proceeding; or
(C)prevent the communication by any person to a law enforcement officer or judge of the United States of information relating to the commission or possible commission of a Federal offense or a violation of conditions of probation, parole, or release pending judicial proceedings;
shall be punished as provided in paragraph (3).

This part of 18 USC 1512 (a), 1 obviously involves only those “official proceedings” that involve testimony in front of some court, Congressional investigative hearing, or federal regulatory hearing wherein testimony is taken from witnesses, records or documents are reviewed with the records and/or documents being identified as EVIDENCE, and presided over by a judge and involving law enforcement officers investigating some kind of federal offense. A JOINT SESSION OF CONGRESS TO COUNT ELECTORAL VOTES IS NOT WITHIN THE SCOPE OF THIS SECTION.

(2)Whoever uses physical force or the threat of physical force against any person, or attempts to do so, with intent to—
(A)influence, delay, or prevent the testimony of any person in an official proceeding;
(B)cause or induce any person to—
(i)withhold testimony, or withhold a record, document, or other object, from an official proceeding;
(ii)alter, destroy, mutilate, or conceal an object with intent to impair the integrity or availability of the object for use in an official proceeding;
(iii)evade legal process summoning that person to appear as a witness, or to produce a record, document, or other object, in an official proceeding; or
(iv)be absent from an official proceeding to which that person has been summoned by legal process; or
(C)hinder, delay, or prevent the communication to a law enforcement officer or judge of the United States of information relating to the commission or possible commission of a Federal offense or a violation of conditions of probation, supervised release, parole, or release pending judicial proceedings;
shall be punished as provided in paragraph (3).
Section (a), 2 involves physical force or violence directed against witnesses; destruction of documents, records, or other forms of evidence that can be destroyed, and communications by law enforcement officers and judges

Again, a JOINT SESSION OF CONGRESS to count ELECTORAL VOTES has nothing to do with this section since it does not involve dealing with witnesses, evidence, nor with law enforcement officers or judges in charge of courts hearing criminal and/or civil cases.

(3)The punishment for an offense under this subsection is—
(A)in the case of a killing, the punishment provided in sections 1111 and 1112;
(B)in the case of—
(i)an attempt to murder; or
(ii)the use or attempted use of physical force against any person;
imprisonment for not more than 30 years; and
(C)in the case of the threat of use of physical force against any person, imprisonment for not more than 20 years.

This paragraph sets forth the punishment for violating (a) and has NOTHING to do with the JOINT SESSION OF CONGRESS for counting ELECTORAL VOTES.

(b)Whoever knowingly uses intimidation, threatens, or corruptly persuades another person, or attempts to do so, or engages in misleading conduct toward another person, with intent to—
(1)influence, delay, or prevent the testimony of any person in an official proceeding;
(2)cause or induce any person to—
(A)withhold testimony, or withhold a record, document, or other object, from an official proceeding;

There is no testimony gathered at a Joint Session of Congress to count Electoral Votes so this paragraph does not apply.

(B)alter, destroy, mutilate, or conceal an object with intent to impair the object’s integrity or availability for use in an official proceeding;

There is no physical, documentary, or photographic evidence introduced at the Joint Session of Congress to count the Electoral Votes, so paragraph does not apply.

(C)evade legal process summoning that person to appear as a witness, or to produce a record, document, or other object, in an official proceeding;

No subpoenas are send to anyone involving the Joint Session of Congress to count the Electoral Votes, so this paragraph does not apply.

(D)be absent from an official proceeding to which such person has been summoned by legal process;
 
See (C) above

(3)hinder, delay, or prevent the communication to a law enforcement officer or judge of the United States of information relating to the commission or possible commission of a Federal offense or a violation of conditions of probation [1] supervised release,,[1] parole, or release pending judicial proceedings;
shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both.

Again, this involves (a) and (b) which we now know have nothing to do with the JOINT SESSION OF CONGRESS TO COUNT THE ELECTORAL VOTE, which cannot be an “official proceeding” for purposes of enforcing the statute 18 USC 1512 as it does not include any functions that involve federal criminal or civil court cases, federal regulatory hearings, or Congressional Committee Investigatory Hearings.

(c)Whoever corruptly—
(1)alters, destroys, mutilates, or conceals a record, document, or other object, or attempts to do so, with the intent to impair the object’s integrity or availability for use in an official proceeding; or

This has nothing to do with the Joint Session of Congress to count the Electoral Votes and therefore does not apply.

(2)otherwise obstructs, influences, or impedes any official proceeding, or attempts to do so,
shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both.

(c) (2) Does NOT include the “CERTIFICATES OF ELECTORAL VOTES,” OR “ALTERNATE ELECTORS VOTES” OR “FRAUDULENT ELECTORS VOTES,” whatever you want to call them, since, as the ELECTORAL COUNT ACT is the GOVERNING STATUTE OVER THE JOINT SESSION OF CONGRESS, ALONG WITH ARTICLE 2, SECTION 1 OF THE CONSTITUTION, THERE IS NO WAY THAT ANY “CERTIFICATE OF VOTES” OR ANY “CERTIFICATE OF ASCERTAINMENT” CAN BE INCLUDED IN THE ABOVE DESCRIPTION OF A “RECORD, DOCUMENT, OR OTHER OBJECT” FOR THE FOLLOWING REASONS:

1. The ELECTORAL COUNT ACT PROVIDES FOR THE POSSIBILITY OF THERE BEING MORE THAN ONE PAPER THAT “PURPORTS TO BE THE ELECTORAL VOTES OF A STATE.” This means it is not prohibited for the Electors of a Candidate to file a paper representing their intended votes when their candidate is not identified as a winner of that State’s popular vote according to the “Certificate of Ascertainment.” Something that is NOT prohibited by the governing statute of such a “proceeding” cannot be a crime under 18 USC 1512 or any other statute. By simply being a “Certificate of Votes” other than the “Certificate of Ascertainment” CANNOT be considered a crime simply because it is NOT the “Certificate of Ascertainment.” It is also NOT A “FORGERY,” since it cannot be held to represent something other than what it is, the votes of the Elector Nominees of a candidate other than the candidate purported by the “Certificate of Ascertainment” as the winner of that State. Since those papers cannot be construed to be anything other than what they actually are, they are not “forgeries.” How did the NATIONAL ARCHIVES file the 2021 “Alternate Electors’ Certificates?” As “REPUBLICAN Electoral Votes,” so it was never possible to falsely identify them as “Certificates of Ascertainment.”

2. The President of the Senate is required to “open ALL THE PAPERS” that are available to be counted during the Joint Session of Congress, as set forth in Article 2, Section 1 of the Constitution. This would mean that, if there were two papers “purporting to be the Electoral Votes of a State,” the President of the Senate would have to open BOTH OF THEM, and has been typically how this has always been handled up until January 6, 2021. In 2021, the President of the Senate knew the claimed reason for filing all of those papers, that were NOT “Certificates of Ascertainment,” was because there were pending legal actions challenging the results of the popular vote in those seven states. Since there was no judicial decision in favor of that candidate being a winner in any of those seven states prior to January 6, 2021, the papers were not taken into that year’s Electoral Vote Count by the President of the Senate, and only Certificates of Ascertainment were presented. This is indicative of how the Electoral Count Act procedures are constructed to manage and handle such events. Basically CONGRESS decides which papers contain the Electoral Votes to be Counted, and which candidate has won those Electoral Votes, and then CONGRESS counts the votes and certifies the winner.

3. If the President of the Senate HAD brought those papers into the Electoral Vote Count, they could have been dealt with simultaneously with any OBJECTIONS that were filed by Members of Congress and Senators, when the two Houses of Congress would retire from Joint Session and debate both the objections and the “Certificates of Votes” from the “Alternate Electors.” Now, this is covered by the ONE HOUSE RULE: If one House of Congress votes for the “Certificate of Ascertainment,” signed and sealed by the governor of the State, the “Certificate of Ascertainment” is always the one chosen as the paper properly identifying the winner of the Electoral Votes of that State.  It is elementary which candidate would have won in that situation in 2021.

I don’t believe it is necessary to drill down into this statute any further since it has been amply demonstrated that the Joint Session of Congress to count the Electoral Votes is not a “Congressional Proceeding” for the purposes of enforcing 18 United States Code Section 1512, and in particular (c) 2. It is also important to note that separate States reportedly are considering passing statutes outlawing ALL “Alternate Electors’ Certificates of Votes,” which underscores they were NEVER illegal in the first place. 

Uh, wasn’t Crazy Eyes’s appointment invalidated by Judge Cannon’s decision that it was unConstitutional? So how can he still be running Grand Juries and filing charges?

This is my analysis of Smith’s use of the Ku Klux Klan statute 18 USC 241:

What is 18 USC 241? It is probably the world’s first Anti-Terrorism Statute. That is because it was directed at the Ku Klux Klan back in the 1870s when the Klan was riding high. Now, this is the KKK. This isn’t some group of confidence men and grifters like Paul Newman and Robert Redford and their friends in the movie “The Sting,” or how Jack Smith describes Donald Trump and some of his people in his indictment as using “dishonesty, fraud, and deceit to impair, obstruct, and defeat the lawful federal government function by which the results of the presidential election are collected, counted and certified…” There is nothing in 18 USC 241 that deals with a few Boss Hogg types conning black people out of their votes. The KKK used PHYSICAL VIOLENCE AND TERRORISTIC THREATS, generally delivered in person, and included lynch mob killings, beatings, and assaults upon family members which are dealt with in the statute as to the tactics employed by the Klan. There is absolutely no element in 18 USC 241 that deals with con man/grifter schemes to hijack the Electoral Vote Count as we saw with 18 USC 1512.

The elements of a statute are the CONDITIONAL STATEMENTS that determine whether a violation of the statute has been committed. The elements are available below along with a breakdown of the logic to determine if “dishonesty, fraud, and deceit” apply to this statute.
Here are the first elements of this statute:

“If two or more persons conspire to injure, oppress, threaten, or intimidate any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or District in the free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege secured to him by the Constitution or laws of the United States, or because of his having so exercised the same; or”
Note the use of the words “IF” and “OR.” In a statute “OR” between two elements means that the alleged violator only has to violate ONE of them. Here we have four of them, and they are all acts of terrorism as we know them today. They are physical in nature such as “INJURE.” The KKK frequently injured, and even killed victims. Also “threatening, oppressing, and intimidating” are also tools of terrorism, frequently delivered in person back in the 1870s, and sometimes through mail, and now telephones. So, the logic would map like this using a computer coding tool called “Pseudocode.” 

IF two or more people injure someone to prevent them from exercising a right, or to punish them for doing so, OR
ELSE
IF two or more people oppress someone for the same reasons, OR
ELSE
IF two or more people threaten someone for the same reasons, OR
ELSE
IF two or more people intimidate someone for the same reasons

THEN the two or more people have violated the statute.

If the alleged conspiracy of Donald Trump, et. al. did not injure, or oppress, or threaten, or intimidate anyone, then they did not violate these elements of the statute. “Dishonesty, Lies, Fraud, and Deceit” are the allegations in the indictment, therefore Donald Trump, et. al. did NOT violate these first four elements of 18 USC 241.
Here are the next two elements of the statute:

“If two or more persons go in disguise on the highway, or on the premises of another, with intent to prevent or hinder his free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege so secured—”
We’ll use pseudocode again just to demonstrate its applicability to apprehending the logic of a statute. I think we know Trump wasn’t wearing a disguise while lurking around highways seeking to intercept someone to prevent or hinder their free exercise of rights or privileges; nor did Trump wear a disguise and go on someone’s property to do something like burn a cross to prevent or hinder the property owner from exercising a right or privilege.

IF two or more persons go about in disguise on the highway; OR
ELSE
IF the same two or more persons go about in disguise and go on someone’s property to do something like burn a cross to hinder or prevent that person from exercising a right or privilege;

THEN the same two or more persons violated this statute.

We all know Trump didn’t do anything while wearing a disguise, and none of the elements say anything about “wearing a disguise while lying, using fraud, dishonesty, and deceit to hijack the Electoral Vote Count.”
There are a host of other elements that were packed into a separate paragraph, such as killing, kidnapping, sexual abuse or conspiracy to commit sexual abuse, but we all know Trump didn’t do any of these things, and Smith’s indictment does not mention ONE of these elements. Oh, it lists, “injure, oppress, threaten, and intimate,” but does not demonstrate how Trump did any of them. He just reproduced words in the statute, but only cited allegations of confidence schemes, manipulations, and even a suggested use of “bait-and-switch” tactics to solicit the “Alternate Electors’ Certificates of Votes.” None of this had ANYTHING to do with 18 USC 241.
This Statute should NOT be cited as a count in this indictment.

How does Jack Smith have standing to file a Federal case? Wasn’t his appointment declared unconstitutional? Didn’t he spend millions of dollars that had not be authorized by Congress? How can he just ignore the fact that he was smacked down?

Election interference by attempts to deny the most popular candidate, which at this point is a forgone conclusion that Trump will win since there’s no other viable candidate running for the office. They are in fact depriving the American Citizenry their right to vote for their preferred candidate for office. Some call this a treasonous and most a most egregious act by what are nothing more then cowards, liars, thieves and murderers. I would even go so far as to say they are no longer Human Beings in the same sense that we are in that doing evil to them is doing good for themselves.

LII U.S. Code, Title 18, Part I, Chapter 13, – 242 – Deprivation of rights under color of law” . . . makes it a crime for any person acting under color of law, statute, ordinance, regulation, or custom to willfully deprive or cause to be deprived from any person those rights, privileges, or immunities secured or protected by the Constitution and laws of the United States.” . . .”shall be fined under this title, or imprisoned for any term of years or for life, or both, or may be sentenced to death.”

What an absolute bunch of crap aggravation. ENOUGH!!!

These people are dead-enders trapped in the bunker with Hitler while Soviet tanks rolled into the city.

Could the Sept. 5 indictment date be the reason for Mrs. Kamala Emoff backing out of the Sepr. 4 debate? The indictment and Kamala would both be wiped out. I think the two are working together to beat PJT>

cross posted at https://freedomaustralia.freeforums.net/thread/5977/jach-smith-plays-lawfare-again

Please dont become overconfident 4 years ago I felt the same as many comments below there’s no way he can loose now. These people stuffed it in our faces TIME magazine even bragged about their cheating. We seem to think we must follow the rules. When we are in a WAR for all the $$$$$. There are no rules of engagement in this war. All they need is to set up something like Covid Jan. 6 and they will fundamentally transform America forever.

These sorry b*stards can’t even prove the “election” President Trump was allegedly trying to “overthrow” was legitimate to begin with!

I should call my meth junkie cousin and see if this makes sense to him given all of the law books he read in State Prison launching appeals that he won!

Lawfare is like communism. Lawfare is like the devil and his demons. They keep rearing their ugly head.

AG Garland under oath to Congress said the Special Counsel Law had expired many years ago. This means Jack Smith has no legal authority and this new case should be struck down by the first Judge it sees. The Florida case was killed by Judge Cannon. If this case is not killed it will end up in the Supreme Court and then it will be killed.

It would appear Google is hard at work to make TCH unreachable. The TCH icon on my home page here in Los Angeles–one of 8 such icons–is the only one that isn’t responding this morning. Had to do a search to find a working result to reach the website. Any similar experience out there?

Before, Smith claimed that PDJT, as president, took documents with classified markings (which does not mean that they were still classified).

Now, he is claiming that PDJT, as a private citizen, took documents with classified markings.

Well, once a president is no longer in office then he is a private citizen. BUT Smith is trying to claim that former presidents do not have a right to take documents. The Reagan, Clinton, Carter, Nixon, Obama, Bush Libraries would beg to differ.

Why doesn’t he go after all of the former presidents for taking documents?

This idiot (I want to say worse words) thinks that In Office President= President. Out of Office President=private citizen.

I can’t wait to vote.

You shall mot circulate a false report. Do not put your hand with the wicked to be an unrighteous witness. Exodus 23: 1