Florida Governor Ron DeSantis asks the obvious question today during a press conference in Lakeland, Florida. When asked a question about COVID vaccine delivery the governor said “the messaging is terrible.” Adding, “you’re telling people to get a vaccine and yet people that have been vaccinated for months are wearing masks” …”I can’t square if the vaccine is effective, then why are people wearing masks?”
Additionally, “If you get a vaccine, and the vaccine is effective, your immune; and so act immune.” “If you tell people the opposite then, gee, why if it’s not effective for them, and it doesn’t change anything for them, then why go through it?” The common sense remarks about the issue begin at 14:50 of the video below:
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Common sense is something the entire country seems oblivious to amid the COVID narrative.
[Side note – All major corporate media have dispatched their most combative reporters to trail DeSantis at all his speaking events and venues. It is transparently obvious why national media are trailing him around… they fear his growing influence and are working 24/7 on strategies to take him down. Quite remarkable actually.]
Hope everyone has a Good evening …
Signing on.
Hate to say it but DeSantis is wrong the only immunity the “vaccine” has is against law suits.
I love a hilarious poster who gets the truth out there. In jest there is truth.
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No, Gov. DeSantis is pushing a (the) truth: Vaccines are meant to prevent infections. Good ones, like polio, smallpox and tetanus have nearly 100% efficacy. Crappy ones, like multivalent flu vaccines may only be 50% efficacious. The Covid mRNA vaccines were promoted as 95% effective. It is true that the incomplete Phase 3 testing only established that 95% of Moderna and Pfizer vaccine recipients developed anti-spike-protein antibodies. Proof that this translates to immunity against Covid infections has not been established. This is why FDA cannot yet approve these vaccines, they are still “experimental” Investigational New Drugs/Biologics (IND’s).
Emergency Use Authorization had been turned upside down. Before the Covid vaccines, EUA’s were enacted to allow limited numbers of people to obtain IND’s without enrolling in Phase 3 trials. Such trials carried a 30-50% chance that trial-enrollees would receive a useless placebo. EUA’s were stintingly granted a “right to try” waiver, for fatal diseases, such as cancer, where FDA-approved therapies had failed. The FDA was very reluctant to allow EUA waivers, because it needed patients to enroll in randomized placebo-controlled trials, to figure out if new IND’s actually were effective. If slews of patients got access to IND’s outside of trial, it screwed the trials up.
Prior to the Covid vaccines, there was never an EUA granted by the FDA to allow tens of millions of people to receive an IND outside of Phase 3 trials.
Are the Covid vaccines “gene therapy”? I don’t know. Traditional “live attenuated virus vaccines” going back to cowpox and vacciniavirus inoculations, induced non-fatal infections in which viral genomes were replicated, and produced antigen proteins, which generated antibodies that neutralized lethal pathogens. “Live” Sabin polio vaccine and measles vaccine are other successful examples.
The SARS-CoV-2 virus is an RNA virus. In theory it, and the mRNA vaccines only invade cells’ cytoplasm. The recombinant-engineered J & J and Astra-Zenica vaccines are another story. The J&J vaccine is a FrankenMed chimera, consisting of reverse-transciptase-engineered double-stranded cDNA, derived from Covid mRNA, encapsulated within an adenovirus protein shell, which was originally developed to insert “healthy genes” into the nuclei of people suffering from single-gene-deficiency diseases such as cystic fibrosis and certain immunodeficiencies.
The adenovirus “vector” is transported to cells’ nuclei, where our chromosomes reside. So we are seeing a bizarre transmogrification from using adenovirus shells to implant healthy human genes into human chromosomes, to implanting pathogenic viral genomic material.
I am not giving medical advice, but sharing my knowledge. Before attending medical school, I worked, as an undergrad, in a virology lab. My research advisor developed the first recombinant technology flu and hepatitis vaccines, I later did immunology research, receiving guidance from a Nobel Laureate.
I am not taking a vaccine. I intend to be a “free rider”. To wit, if the vaccines work, and create herd immunity, then non-recipients will be protected. If they do not work, then the risk of non-vaccination is the same for Covid susceptibility, and the risk of vaccine side effects is eliminated.
Appreciated your viewpoints. Unfortunately a scientific problem is being controlled largely by non-scientific persons, or those with their hands out. Control of what is allowed in our non-free speech society is dedicated to increasing fear in persons, persons who wouldn’t dream of allowing a jackhammer operator to fill their teeth, but believe an editorially mandated reporter to inform them in matters of their health.
Fear & ignorance that a “Petri dish”mask will prevent their deaths, when in fact, death is a certainty, for all-period.
Having been an RN for decades in ICU & hemodialysis before any Hep B vaccine – in a unit with HAA pos patients, my own education was continuous. Probably 50% of us contracted the virus despite major precautions, & having the largest unit in USA, in 900 bed teaching hospital.
Early 2020 it was obvious everything I learned during those years was nonsense, OR everything I was hearing about Covid-19 tranrsmittability, was. I’ll stand by my education any day because those involved in dispensing Covid-19 information are ambiguous, scientifically ignorant, or are on the payroll of those with vested interests in continuing this charade.
With a recovery rate around 99.98%, demanding an untested vaccine with unknown long & short-term consequences be taken, just doesn’t make sense. But demanding people take it, or be punished by silencing them, disallowing travel, involvement in activities, etc., is against all I know regarding ethics.
“I’ll stand by my education any day because those involved in dispensing Covid-19 information are ambiguous, scientifically ignorant, or are on the payroll of those with vested interests in continuing this charade.
With a recovery rate around 99.98%, demanding an untested vaccine with unknown long & short-term consequences be taken, just doesn’t make sense. But demanding people take it, or be punished by silencing them, disallowing travel, involvement in activities, etc., is against all I know regarding ethics.”
So true. We are dealing with morally bankrupt unethical people.
Sure, we’re free not to take the vaccine, but they won’t let us do anything; air travel within the country, air travel outside the country, etc. It will probably reach the point where you’ll need proof of the vaccine to enter a federal bldng. But this current vaccine doesn’t last forever, so you’ll need to get on the treadmill of vaccine receiving.
Thank you, common sense, and real-world experience.
The nurses and other informed medical professionals should unite! We are very knowledgable about viral infections. Attempting to convince us that somehow “this particular virus” acts differently from every other Coronavirus is a waste of time. That’s why at least 40% will NEVER take this experimental drug. What I don’t understand is why is the Govt is behind this? There are several Big Pharma companies making these meds and the govt and then our insurance must again pay for it, what does the govt get out of pushing this???
Are you serious? Just look at the political donations to every dirtbag politician.
Remember when Trump kept trying to bring that up … but not name names.
Like “I got calls from everyone against my EO lowering drug costs, I didn’t want to ask about their campaign contributors. I’m sure it’s not the problem,” Then sadly, “I really hope not.”
He couldn’t say that he knows and we know every dirtbag politician is bought and paid for by big pharma which is why we are a sick nation where the GOAL of drug companies is to have every single American on some lifetime drugs. Including kids who you can start with stuff like allergy meds. Course so many of those allergy meds keep turning out to be harmful to the brain but so what. Not their prob.
And if you’re a nurse you know every doctor’s office is lobbied directly by drug companies by sales people who “educate them” about what their drugs do, how to use them “off label” (30% of prescriptions are off label which gets the drug companies out of those extra sets of double blind tests) and always find a way to try to buy them off too like all those conferences they used to hold in Hawaii and FL to “educate” doctors about their drugs.
Control.
How many decades has Fauci been at this?
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Thanks. Your mention of recombinant DNA brought back happy memories of Biology Lab!!!
Hey Ilovemath&science, do you know the answer here?
He knows the gene therapy shots are not vaccines. He knows that they do not prevent transmission or contagion. He knows that they are designed to reduce symptoms. This is people are told to continue to wear masks and social distance. He knows this. He has made a political calculation here which of course is no surprise to not tell these truths. Here’s my question: do these mRNA shots control symptoms by reducing the viral load or not? If not, then these manufacturers have created the possibility of widespread asymptomatic transmission. In other words, when I am sick I know it and modify my behavior by staying home, keeping my distance from people etc. If I don’t have any symptoms and therefore do not know I’m sick I do not modify my behavior in these ways. So unless these people who have had the gene therapy have reduced symptoms as a result of lower viral loads they are the threat to the rest of us as opposed to vice versa. Until I know the answer I am assuming this is explains the great movement, other than making Fauci and Gates rich, to convince or coerce the rest of us to get these shots. Unless everyone is “vaccinated” then the “vaccinated” are the threat, but they don’t want us to know it. I am also somewhat suspicious that is the reason the J&J shot which is an actual vaccine designed to generate an immune response, has been pulled since it’s rate of adverse affects is lower than the mRNA shots as I understand. IF people are vaccinated rather than given the gene therapy, again that would not insulate us from the group receiving the gene therapy. I may be all wet. Any virologists out there?
Some people think (I don’t) that since this is a experimental release with no control studies, some people now are receiving the placebo instead of the real “vaccine”, so the result can be studied. That could be one reason they are messaging that you still take precautions.
What a great question. I’m going to stay tuned for an answer. “Unless everyone is vaccinated, then the vaccinated are the threat. Wow. So true. Their symptoms will be masked, so they’ll mingle and will transmit the virus!!
Thank you for your informative post!
I consider all non vaccine takers in the “control” group.
Fitting arguements. That 95% efficacy is figured using the RRR, relative risk
reduction method, which is the coward’s way out. By using ARR, the absolute risk reduction calculation, these gene altering potions present about a 1% efficacy rate. And that is true for most flu vaccines but pharma and the FDA and CDC could never tell or sell the truth to the public and stay in business.
Yep.
Actually its also providing immunity for Pfizer and Moderna against poor profit numbers for the year.
Vaccine passports are a con trick, whatever they are called.
if the vaccine ‘works’ why do we need further lockdowns?
if lockdowns ‘work’ why do we need vaccines?
if lockdowns and vaccines work why are we still under closure?
the vaccines do not meet the medical nor legal definition of a vaccine so why deploy a gene replacement therapy for a disease that 97 per cent of people don’t have and never have had: why treat healthy people for a disease they have never had?
the vaccines have not undergone phase 3 safety studies and are therefore not fit for human use;
the possible side effects of the vaccines during Phase 1 and 2 safety studies have not been disclosed to the public which suggests there is something to hide;
a vaccine that does not stop you catching the virus, does not stop you spreading the virus and ‘may’ make the symptoms less serious is insufficient cause or justification for vaccinating an entire population, what data is being withheld to support this approach?
it has been reported that all the vaccine will do is ‘might’ or ‘may’ make your symptoms slightly less. What cost-benefit analysis has been conducted to validate the government’s course of action?
https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/vaccine-passports-are-a-con-trick-whatever-they-are-called/#comment-5321661689
Conservative Woman is one of my daily “go to” sites. They have some fantastic articles about the Chi Com virus from all over. A lot of great info that we don’t normally see over here.
Another UK site I highly recommend: https://lockdownsceptics.org/
Both sites have free daily bulletins.
Epoch Times had a great article about Gov. DeSantis: https://www.theepochtimes.com/desantis-lockdowns-were-a-huge-mistake_3777926.html
Gosh, common sense seems to be breaking out all over.
Only among people not stupid enough to favor communism.
I just wish it would start breaking out in my blue state among the many musicians I know who are unwilling to play with anyone now unless vaccinated.
I feel extreme peer pressure in my workplace (I’ve worked from home since the mask requirement) and also from the outside.
Just took a trip with six vaccinated people. (First time they ventured out in a year). Everywhere we went there were high fives and atta boys for vaxxed people.
“Did you get your shot?” was the first question from just about everyone we met. Apparently, the “shortage” has created quite a demand. Even young, healthy people are jumping on the bandwagon.
When I answer, “No, I don’t want the shot,” I am met by either an uncomfortable silence or a sales pitch. I temper my remarks, because they can’t turn back the clock and they obviously haven’t given careful consideration to the concept of volunteering for an experiment, beyond the idea that they want something because it is the “in thing” and hard to obtain.
Funny, I’ve been “offered” the shot early on at work and more recently by at least two of my doctors. Can’t be that hard to get, now can it?
When they persist, I simply lay out the facts and explain that, in essence, I will stick with my own 99.8 percent effective, God-given immune system. So thanks ..but no thanks.
High risk people like me should take safe and effective prophylaxis and early interventions, instead of these brand-new untested/experimental biological agents, to mitigate their 1 percent risk of Covid-19 complications.
My elderly mother and her 99 year old roommate both had Covid-19 infections last spring, received HCQ, and they had very mild symptoms. I give my kids at college the Elderberry, Zinc and Vitamin C gummie supplements.
I stepped it up with Quercetin when they had active infections: They and their friends have already cleared the virus with very minor symptoms. A tip: this Zelenko protocol also mitigates the taste and smell issue, because Zinc depletion is indicated.
vaccine passports are the equivalent of “let me see your papers.”
Exactly!
Yet folks are herded thru the southern border and flown all over the country with not a thought to virus.
There you go again with all your common sense nd stuff. Don’t you know ChiComNN “journalists” are far more qualified than you to speak of these things?
Donald Trump goes in once a week and donates testosterone. De Santis is one of the few who has graciously taken some injections.
tlhoward, it appears that so very few have.
It’s all in the definitions, folks…and they love for all of us to make assumptions…incorrect, but beneficial to them…
First, the pharmaceutical companies have NEVER claimed that their non-vaccine vaccines will confer immunity, nor have they claimed that their non-vaccine vaccines will prevent transmission. I defy anyone to find any public pronouncements or documentation to that effect.
But they say the non-vaccine vaccines are 98%, or 96%, or 90% effective, Leo, so you are wrong…
They do say that, and they may be correct, but I’m still not wrong…
Define EFFECTIVE.
This is where they have relied on the public to assume the definition of EFFECTIVE as it has been used in the past with regard to vaccines, and stood silent as the public has run with that understanding, and used that understanding to convince themselves to line up
Define EFFECTIVE.
The pharmaceutical companies have defined EFFECTIVE in their truncated studies as reducing the symptoms of infection in ‘vaccinated’ test subjects who SUBSEQUENTLY contract Covid…period.
EFFECTIVE has nothing to to with conferring immunity, or preventing transmission.
Maybe it now makes sense why they still want masks and social distancing, hmmmm?
Of course, that gets back to DeSantis’ point…why get the non-vaccine vaccine? It’s all a massive scam by big Pharma. Everyone wanted a vaccine, give them a vaccine…
As you know it’s always about the money. So many theraputics that work are available but they are too cheap.
This is far worse than money. This is about sustainability, and we obviously didn’t make the cut.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/effectiveness.html States:All COVID-19 vaccines currently available in the United States are effective at preventing COVID-19 as seen in clinical trial settings. So the CDC says they are preventive. Not that I will believe anything coming out of CDC, NIH, or any other government agency. As a pharmacist I am aware of drug companies and their machinations. Also s a NYS Prison nurse dealing with Fauci in the 80s with the AIDS crisis, he was a pompous empty white coat then as he is now. Educating oneself from multiple sites, is the best advice I can offer.
How much you wanna bet the Globalists non-vaccine “vaccine” experiments will be highly effective for ..population control?
I’d say these experimental, non-vaccine “vaccine” trials -soon to be mandated even though in infancy trial stages (!) – are a masterful plan to reduce the world’s population from a few billion to the “sustainable” 500 million famously proposed by Bill Gates.
How else would Globalists hope to accomplish their genocidal goals? The beauty of this is that Big Pharma is automatically shielded from lawsuits, so all the risk is assumed by the patient “volunteers.”
Brilliant! Well done, Globalist psychopaths!
Leo D., any answer here to my question:
He knows the gene therapy shots are not vaccines. He knows that they do not prevent transmission or contagion. He knows that they are designed to reduce symptoms. This is why people are told to continue to wear masks and social distance. He knows this. He has made a political calculation here which of course is no surprise to not tell these truths. Here’s my question: do these mRNA shots control symptoms by reducing the viral load or not? If not, then these manufacturers have created the possibility of widespread asymptomatic transmission. In other words, when I am sick I know it and modify my behavior by staying home, keeping my distance from people etc. If I don’t have any symptoms and therefore do not know I’m sick I do not modify my behavior in these ways. So unless these people who have had the gene therapy have reduced symptoms as a result of lower viral loads they are the threat to the rest of us as opposed to vice versa. Until I know the answer I am assuming this is explains the great movement, other than making Fauci and Gates rich, to convince or coerce the rest of us to get these shots. Unless everyone is “vaccinated” then the “vaccinated” are the threat, but they don’t want us to know it. I am also somewhat suspicious that is the reason the J&J shot which is an actual vaccine designed to generate an immune response, has been pulled since it’s rate of adverse affects is lower than the mRNA shots as I understand. IF people are vaccinated rather than given the gene therapy, again that would not insulate us from the group receiving the gene therapy. I may be all wet. Any virologists out there?
@Pam – this may explain why some of those who have been vaccinated can still get Covid, as many have.
I do believe that my beloved PDJT was also working, a year ago, on the assumption that a real vaccine prevents infection. It was what normal people understood our entire lives.
This is why I never fault him for working so hard to give us one.
There is no way he could know that it was not an actual vaccine.
I agree. He is not a doctor or immunologists. PDJT had to rely on what he was being told by people who were allegedly experts. His gut reactions were good – to use therapies like HCQ, etc. But the alleged experts stopped any effective therapy PDJT supported.
I have a nagging question that is still not answered: Why did experienced doctors allow the lies about HCQ and steroids to define their patient-handling? Why did they send so many people home with no therapeutic at all and wait for the patients to return when they were ready for ICU and ventilators? I have concluded that the AMA is another corrupt organization, devoid of ethics.
To answer your nagging question…
Dr. Suzanne Humphries puts it best when she relates that in the entirety of medical school a grand total of one day is spent on vaccines, and the message is “vaccines awesome…next topic”
Most doctors know little more about vaccines than you do (Actually, if you have done any, and I mean ANY, research into the vaccine issue beyond reading the literature provided by vaccine manufacturers and the CDC, or do I repeat myself, you likely know more than your doctor on this topic), and likely their entire education with respect to vaccines comes from the aforementioned literature.
Your conclusion would be correct.
He gives the CDC’s so-called experts a lot more credit than I do. Anyone paying attention since the AIDS and Ebola epidemics knows that these people are not on the up and up. Science and medicine have obviously been corrupted by their political chicanery.
He was forced to believe what the experts were telling him. It didn’t take long for him to realize there was nothing these so called experts, were telling him, that he could rely on. Sad that this can happen with the best President we’ve ever had.
Right on the money! The definition of “effective”. Changes with the wind. WE all expect that it means simply what it has always mean Ed, it we get back to what “IS” is don’t we??!!
I had heard today, via a round table discussion posted on this site, that the reason the HCQ and intervectin (sp) was banned was to give the go ahead for the emergency use authorization, since there was not an available treatment. It was hidden.
And so those who denied those treatments essentiall killed a huge proportion of those who died from the Wuhan.
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=459791131804053
Apologies for not posting the article before as per the site’s conventions.
(yes, I know it is faceboook)
I propose we have a National Mask Day. On a previously chosen day everybody go out and about wearing a mask . . . .
. . . a mask on the top of your head, a mask on your elbow, a mask on your knee, a mask on your a$$ . . . Express yourself!
Hey I’m a trend setter as Every day is “no mask day” in my household. Masks? We don’t need no stinkin masks!
I can honestly say I have never worn a mask except to hospital as they would let me die rather than treat me.
I personally like my airsoft mask. It’s a metal grid with gaps about 1/8″ that you can see the person’s mouth straight through it. I wear it when I must go into a store where they require a mask, to mock them.
I’ve lightly sprayed a few masks with varying brown spray paint, along with finger prints. No one has said anything, but I get looks. Side note: My wife was in a long line at a big box store. A woman gets in front of her and at first appeared to cut the line. She looked in my wife’s cart, saw a My Pillow box, stared at my wife, snarled and walked away. My wife’s too good of a person to say anything. Me, I wear my “dirty” mask looking for comments.
Hilarious!!! LOVE the nasty-looking mask look!!
I may spend the weekend creating a Ralph Kramden tinfoil space suit. I already have my Covid-1984 mask.
This could be fun! Ridicule is like a cold bucket of water on these faux scientists and sheeple alike.
I went to Walmart one day totally decked out in a home made, make shift Hazmat-looking suit. It was HILARIOUS.
Where are all the other Republican leaders defending We The People against this war being waged upon US under the guise of ‘ health crisis’ by our Govt & fascist corporatists?
“Climate crisis” is already being used to excuse the invasion at our border. The shame of other weak R’s in leadership is in joining those the plundering class:
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2021/04/thomas-dilorenzo/why-public-health-is-the-health-of-the-state/
There are a number of republican house members and about five in the senate that have represented the will of their voters and have the guts to speak out publicly against the Marxist. The rest need to be voted out of office.
Governors, just count the ones who have opened their states and required the schools to open.
Republicans politicians need to stand up or be removed from office. People who put up with them deserve what they get.
There is always a small group of vocal Republicans *after* the fact, when they know their rantings will have no measurable effect. Having deliberately lead us into this mess in the first place, this is known as controlled opposition.
They should rename the Republican Party to the Republicucks Party. They have been cuckholded so many times they don’t even recognize it anymore.
Nobody lifted a finger to right the wrong of the fraudulent, stolen election. You think they give a rat’s behind about our civil liberties and a vaccine/ non vaccine being foisted on us?? They’re only interested in gaining access to the offshore numbered account big pharma, Bill Gates and Fauci are kicking into as payback for making it happen.
Two of the best articles on the Vaccine and even COVID…Both of the articles have done the research. Think I got them from here–If so thanks to the people who posted them.
18 Reasons I Won’t Be Getting a Covid Vaccine
https://www.deconstructingconventional.com/post/18-reason-i-won-t-be-getting-a-covid-vaccine
COVID19 2021 Overview: Nine important facts, with sources
https://thuletide.wordpress.com/2021/04/10/covid19-2021-overview-nine-important-facts-with-sources/
How to destroy a great meme: plaster your name in the center of it.
desantis is right to ask good questions.
having said that…immunity isn’t transferred from one person to another.
yes viral shedding WILL BE drastically lower from a person who is exposed AND has a good immune mechanism. but the virus can STILL SPREAD .
I’m NOT defending the guidelines. but the guidelines DO MAKE SENSE… SCIENTIFICALLY and logically.
tests for the virus prove this…the huge amount of data and dwell time to collect the data proves this.
many people were exposed but did not get sick. asymptomatic spreading is a real thing. you can have the virus but not get I’ll from it…the range depends entirely on the person…one size does not fit all.
masks and distancing are very contentious because it’s become a political football.
the reality is people have a choice. mask or no mask… social distance or not. vaccine or not.
florida has great numbers in a certain sense if how the guidelines were suggestions…but let’s stop and actually look at florida’s numbers. they are not trivial…I am talking elderly, severity, hospitalizations and death. yes florida did a great job early in to protect and isolate and mask up the most vulnerable. to suggest all that good result was not without masks and isolation to those people is stupid. they did the right thing and quickly.
but this virus doesn’t care WHO is wearing or not, who is distancing or not.
florida has a decent higher than average batting number at this.
it’s become political rhetoric now to falsely claim all that happened because of the liberal guidelines that florida suggested. it was a good policy…no doubt..it left choice open without penalty.. that is also good.
desantis is asking good questions…but it will come off wrong because it insinuates masks after vacinnation isn’t important. it would be wrong too to imply the SAME in natural immunity.
I see where he is going with this, but is from a weak position.
he should be holding up seroprevelance data for florida and contact tracing to PROVE what he is saying is solid with facts.
the problem with slot of these issues is that there is this tendency to grossly overstate or understate the problem…
florida gets good marks for targeting aggressively early on and focused on that danger and lots less on the transmission group that statistically would not get ill. florida gets good marks to advise and assist the two groups were separated as much as possible. that saved lives…lots of lives.
. desantis should be holding that up high and praising his team for doing that.
just my in opinion
Asymptomatic transference is not a real thing. Symptoms may be slight or moderate but they exist. Much has been written on the subject.
right…sure….
I just have one question, a serious question:
can you explain HOW the virus happened to spread around the world in record time with the highest recorded test data ? We are near 150 Million positive c-19 .
https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-testing
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/worldwide-graphs/#total-cases
was the spread due to magic? some phenomena that you know of that has eluded everyone everywhere on planet earth? Because please speak up and show your work…all of it! We would love to have you show there is something other than human to human transmission that has caused nearly 150 MILLION people to test postive for c19 in record time and record numbers.
please..you have the floor. this is your opportunity to make an argument.
make sure its a really good one. I mean what you will have to do is become Copernicus and show with strong intellectual grounding this claim you are making.
what causes the spread of this respiratory virus from human to human.?
simple question.
do tell.
Can’t explain it all, but cannot discount the known inaccuracy of the pcr test, not to mention the CDC’s own figures that only 6% of China Flu fatalities were Wuflu only. Assuming this is true. Have read this more than once and have looked at the CDC death numbers but they are sort of a jumble the way they categorize them
Bingo! Hardly anyone is aware of that 6% admission by the CDC several months ago.
If I recall correctly, CTH as a whole learned of the inaccuracy of the PCR tests sometime back last summer.
It was stated months ago that the number of cycles being run to get a positive test was enormous. I heard it at the time which confirmed my theory that any data on case numbers was bogus.
I wonder if some of the states showing big jumps in “cases” are still using labs running the unscientific number of cycles.
@regitiger, the problem is that the data is flawed, incomplete, and corrupted. There are so many conflicting studies and data points that don’t line up with each other the truth cannot be ascertained. Just like what happened with the global warming “science”.
Once data has been tainted, it is impossible to determine it’s value.
Exactly.
It’s electricity. Read the book “The Invisible Rainbow.” It documents the deceases that appear to be generated by electrical events. The term Flu comes from Influenza, because early researchers noticed that the Flu appeared simultaneously across the earth during times of significant electrical events, such as sun spots and the electrication of our world commencing in the 18000s. Other modern deceases such as heart decease and diabetes were also rare prior to 1800s. Personally, I believe that COVID-19 is a 5-G phenomenon. Read this book. We have poisoned our world with electricity.
“I’m NOT defending the guidelines. but the guidelines DO MAKE SENSE… SCIENTIFICALLY and logically.”
Like hell they do! I could go on but why bother. Anyone paying attention knows the “guidelines” change directions faster than a squirrel running from a dog.
Anyone who believes commonly available masks filter viruses (viri?) is invited to stop by my house and sand drywall joints for a while and we will see if you sinuses turn white…
what does your sinus look like WITHOUT a mask?
see the problem with your arguments, is that you assume absolutes….
brother, there is no such thing as absolutes, perfection.
masks MITIGATE in the same damned way it would with your analogy.
your argument fails because it’s a red herring.
viral loading….learn what that means. masks mitgate….they can never ELIMINATE ALL RISKS.
n95 is good enough for surgeons and health professionals in ER’s around the world.
take your concerns and ask them why they wear them.
then you can start to appreciate the word and the idea of mitigating risk.
I don’t accept the premise this virus is a big issue.
My wife and granddaughter both have had it and no big deal.
Educate yourself. Do you even know what is the length of 1 micron?
Do you know reported the size of the virus?
How do those compare to a VISIBLE particle of mud dust?
You want to wear a muzzle go ahead. Just don’t tell me I must because you are afraid of the boogy man.
Go pedal your Fauci FUD where you you have a receptive audience.
again, I am not telling you do ANYTHING. I am responding to this nonsense that presents masks as ineffective. That’s ridiculous. It’s absurd given masks are used EVERYWHERE IN ALL KINDS OF CONDITIONS in commercial and industrial, medical and health industries.
the idea isn’t about being perfect. It’s about good enough!
this is the difference btw between the theoretical scientist and the engineer.
in the real world, where we live and work, we survive by making best choices. Not perfect choices…but good enough.
Read the package of any mask that you can purchase. They don’t protect against bacteria and viruses. Only N95 if sized and worn properly.
“Only N95 if sized and worn properly.”
Nope…see my post above. n95 protects down to 0.3 microns. corona virus is 0.06 to 0.14.
Do the math.
It is likely that the virus particle is attached to something larger than the virus particle itself.
Correct. And handled properly and disposed of properly.
“Good enough” as a yardstick only worked in a world where most used common sense and mentally calculated risk-reward ratios for all behavior.
This is no longer that world. Every calculation is political by our enemies, and must become so by us if we are to survive.
So, what you’re saying is that despite taking society to the bring of economic, political, and social collapse – and getting millions of people to hate each other viscerally in the process – the virus still spread.
Despite the masks. Despite the social distancing. Despite the lockdowns.
Funny how that works.
Almost like those idiotic ideas didn’t work at all.
Actually, the lockdowns likely increased the spread.
The point is that if you’re going to use a mask, at least choose one that’s actually suitable for the task.
n95 is suitable for this virus for the same reasons it is suitable to every health professional surgeon in the US doing patient care.
again, it’s not about being perfect….it’s about being good enough.
if we follow your argument to its ends, we are asking people to become bubble boys. positive pressure suits. sure it’s about as level 4 lab protocol protections, but is that even practical.
good enough.
doesn’t have to be perfect.
again, the reality of what viral loading means.
if you want an extreme example of what I am talking about, specifically with corona virus in this class as c19, dig up the miners incident in china 2013, where half died. they were wearing protection..but they were also digging and sifting bat feces for hours up close and personal. The masks in that scenario addresses the nature of viral loading.
in everyday transmission, even on a plane, in tight spaces the risk of getting a huge “hit” of massive viral load is low.
that’s how masks work…they do not have to be perfect to work well. the entire purpose is to reduce the viral load…and they do that well enough.
The company that I work for ,requires us to wear masks.
I had to go see the company nurse the other day,for a slight injury, and drug screen.l asked her if she thought they would drop their mask mandate. She said probably not until the CDC started treating like the flu. Then I asked her if she thought a germ couldn’t penetrate a mask? She said
they absolutely can ,because she said she wore hers religiously, AND ,SHE stll, GOT THE COVID.
They’re not wearing surgical masks to prevent virus spread, for one. For two, I not performing surgery on the guy in line at Kroger. So there is no exchange of fluids.
They have been used (N-95s and PAPRs) to prevent transmission of TB (a bacteria) in the healthcare setting. Bacteria are larger than viruses although both are attached to sputum or other particles of varying sizes.
But generally you are correct. The masks are more to protect the patients from infection.
On this issue I will disagree with one of the best posters here (Regitiger) and say that the cloth masks widely in use are likely more counterproductive than effective.
the respiratory transmission of c19 virus IS AN EXCHANGE OF FLUIDS. tiny droplets, some aerosolized, some traveling at speeds of 100 m/s….(sneezing)
this ridiculous idea that viral loading occurs as single individual free floating single sized RNA virus, non-attached to any other media is highly questionable and would represent the exception to the “rule”. Of Course, aerosols and and droplets are two entirely different realities.
let examins:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK143281/
‘In the classic study of airborne transmission, Wells (1934) was able to identify the difference between disease transmission via large droplets and by airborne routes. Wells found that, under normal air conditions, droplets smaller than 100 μm in diameter would completely dry out before falling approximately 2 m to the ground. This finding allowed the establishment of the theory of droplets and droplet nuclei transmission depending on the size of the infected droplet. The Wells evaporation-falling curve of droplets (see Figure C.2) is important in understanding airborne transmission and transmission by large droplets. Wells’ study also demonstrated that droplets could transform into droplet nuclei by evaporation.”
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0241539
From a single cough, a person with a high viral load in respiratory fluid (2.35 × 109 copies per ml) may generate as many as 1.23 × 105 copies of viruses that can remain airborne after 10 seconds, compared to 386 copies of a normal patient (7.00 × 106 copies per ml). Masking, however, can effectively block around 94% of the viruses that may otherwise remain airborne after 10 seconds. Our study found that no clear size boundary exists between particles that can settle and can remain airborne. The results from this study challenge the conventional understanding of disease transmission routes through airborne and droplet mechanisms. We suggest that a complete understanding of the respiratory droplet evolution is essential and needed to identify the transmission mechanisms of respiratory diseases.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7680614/
What do you make of this data?
Most don’t use N95 masks.
Doctors don’t wear n95 masks.
Corona virus is 0.06-0.14 microns. n95 masks only filter down to 0.3 microns. In other words, n95 masks won’t protect you.
What percent of the people wearing masks are wearing N-95s ?
Not many, you can tell by looking.
“masks MITIGATE in the same damned way it would with your analogy.”
Some masks concentrate the contamination on the mask and result in transfer of the material via the hands to your nose and mouth.
So you’re point is that I really need not take the vaccine, and that as long as I take normal precautions like washing my hands, I’ll be fine.
Got it.
my point is, if you really want to do science, do science….and stop guessing.
go take a seroprevelance blood test…specifically the elisa type that measures antibody for the c19 spike protein. make sure it is THAT SPECIFIC TEST! (do the research if you don’t understand why).
then when you get the result, you will find, most likely by now, along with tends of millions of people in the US, that you have achieved a positive level of antibodies…you have been exposed and you did not get sick because your body did what it was designed to do: respond with t cells and memory cells that produce a durable immune response.
if your test comes back with no presence of antibodies, you can assume you have not been exposed..
in either of these two results, you have KNOWLEDGE ABOUT YOU.
what you do with this knowledge is entirely a choice..I can not offer or support the idea of taking experimental vaccines..that is my professional opinion, one I have shared with everyone.
I hope my reply is helpful…
You do realize that using PCR tests for diagnosis is completely unscientific. Even the doctor that invented the PCR test said they were completely unsuitable for that use.
RT-PCR tests are accurate “enough”…
AND HERE IS WHY: when the first rt-pcr tests were designed, they were getting many false positives. But how does one KNOW that it IS a false positive? This requires validation. You take that sample and do a extensive molecular study. you look at what is causing the false positive down to the genomic sequence of the target virus…in the early stages the rt-pcr was picking up cold corona virus and ALSO SARS 2003 virus! Yes, 17 years later SARS 2003 virus is still circulating…all verified in molecular study ( this finding about SARS 2003 is of enormous value, but I will not spend time here in this response talking about that…I’ve done so in other threads) So what they do is retool the recipe to make it more specific and sensitive to ONLY C19 virus. Then the false positive stopped…almost to zero…and again several studies to make sure it was picking up other variants…which is still does because it focuses primarily on the spike and not the longer more “shifty” spike.
the doctor is correct HIS PCR test would be unsuitable. But that is NOT what is being used here. It leaps and bounds improved. Some scientists just get grumpy they didn’t get their 15 minutes….it happens…alot….scientists spend their entire lifetimes creating or discovering something useful…only to have that thing vastly improved and someone else and large drug companies getting the credits. …
rt-pcr is precise enough to distinguish between c19 and sars 2003 and the common cold. Even mutations and strains of c19 in same family. I would say this isn’t your grandpas science lab.
WHO : “ no evidence of asymptomatic spread ”.
Your assumption that without antibodies you have not been exposed . False .
In the end viruses are constantly mutating . Tests are not specific for Covid 19. It says it on the CDC website FYI .
Real virus , yes , also real VIRUSES . Emphasis on the plural . No flu vaccine is effective by more than 50 % because of constantly changing flu viruses . Masks will increase your own viral load which you will reinfect yourself with , that sounds pretty bad to me .
Masks will decrease the viral load onto someone else , ok , I’ll give you that , but you will have to be very symptomatic , coughing sneezing etc , and be not social distanced for that to happen . Bottom line , the virus spread like any cold virus did .. closed in households with transmission by contact more than anything else .
Wash the hands , and let’s just stop the pseudoscience please .
if not aware, the WHO is not a reliable authority for ANY science. proven inept.
there is a very good reason the who misrepresents seroprevelance testing… I’ve discussed this at length several times.
who, cdc, nih FAILED to implement pre vaccine seroprevelance testing. and it had nothing to do with strains…you do realize what seroprevelance actually means? blood draw, molecular tests, WITH validation to genomic sequence…in other words, it doesn’t matter if the virus mutated…this type of test captures ALL STRAINS.
this is how SCIENCE KNOWS THERE ARE NOW 33,OOO DIFFERENT STRAINS! WHEN VALIDATION HAPPENS IN THE MOLECULAR SERIES, they determine if the virus is a match in the index or has mutated segment.
https://nextstrain.org/ncov/global?c=region&l=clock
but what happened is these health “officials” refused to test for antibodies in the pre vaccine epic of this pandemic
why is that important?
it tells you if the human pool has been exposed and if good durable immunity has been established. this is key…it’s also REQUIRED data in normal phase 3 trials of any drug..this data is used to PROVE efficacy
is the vaccine ANY better than the human immune response?
seroprevelance of antibodies for covid pre vaccine was never done!!!
so the FDA is giving these drug companies a waiver they would ordinarily NEVER ALLOW for license.
so when you read ANYTHING from WHO it helps to realize they have an agenda that has nothing at all to do with good science and proven methodology ever single drug company licensed understands.
if course the WHO would downplay seroprevelance…they don’t want YOU to think what I am talking about
here is the reality… we’ve achieved herd of immunity at scale in the US from late dec 2020 to present. the data proves this..
if seroprevelance WAS DONE EVEN RANDOMLY FOR THOSE WHO TESTED POSITIVE FOR C19…and tracked them ..the collapse of new cases we are seeing now could have been predicted and modeled pretty accurately.
instead they refused.
and THEY ARE NOT TALKING about the proof that herd immunity was achieved WITHOUT the vaccine.
go with sources that are not beholden to who messaging.
I link to official cdc and nih and jhu data because it is what all the world USES for knowledge…and some for shaping public policy, guidelines.
I am quite aware the data isn’t perfect, that the data contains a high amounts of suspicious input.
but here is the thing…even THIS DATA is showing a collapse in in new cases here in the US!!!!
so if there is some massive conspiracy…they are doing a shitty job.!!!
think about it.
“GIVE ME COURAGE AND COMMON SENSE.” PDJT
….. and I might add it’s time to STOP THE INSANITY.
DeSantis is one of the very few class act politicians in the nation
I’m a Floridian. DeSantis is one of the few non RINO republicans in Florida. Then we have Trump. After that a few of the Congressmen. Both Senators are globalists. This country is in far worse shape than we imagine.
Thanks for the reminder. Please everyone, understand that FL gave us Jeb Bush. God help us. There are so few good politicians.
I live in Florida. Jeb and Rick Scott were both pretty good governors. It ends there however.
I love the choices the USCHINA government is offering…
Message this. The Bill of Rights – the Hill I will die on!
hey governor how about issuing an executive to the local county mayors to drop the stupid mask mandates our idiot mayor just extended it for another 30 days in palm beach county enough already!!! tired of the voodoo science
“It is transparently obvious why national media are trailing him around… they fear his growing influence and are working 24/7 on strategies to take him down.”
Why, if the demented fool now occupying the oval orifice who received 85 gazillion votes and is so popular, do the despicable hacks in the media need to attack DeSantis 24/7 from now until 2024?
That doesn’t seem like a party confident in a candidate that will win.
It does provide quite a contrast in leadership between a governors mansion and someone making believe in the WH.
We were attacked by a bio weapon created in a Red Chinese lab. The primary funding for the research and creation of that weapon came from Dr Death aka Dr. Fauci. He is a mass murderer and one of Lucifers lieutenants. Dont let his effete diminutive demeanor fool you…he is a stone cold demon muderer.
I hope this message keeps getting around.
And his apparent confusion or word salad is a calculated attempt to terrify or gaslight the public who insist on following him. “Follow Fauci. The Way, the Truth and the Science.”
He knows what he is doing. These are tested methods of breaking people perfected by psychologists. Check out Peter Breggin dot com.
Breggin is a professional psychiatrist. One of the few with a conscience.
If I have had the Trump Vaccine then why do I have to wear a mask since the only ones that could be infected by anyone are people who have not had the vaccine? Because of that I give a rat’s arse who wears masks.
Love it. Desantis is punching holes through the color revolution coup
Why won’t a Republican ask the $1 million question?
If I fell off my roof taking down Christmas and tested positive for Covid-19 in the ER before I died would my death be counted as Covid-19?
It’s a simple question and we know the answer but not a single Republican has the guts or the brains to ask it publically even rhetorically to know one. Why?
to be a bit more specific and not use such a extraordinarily rare incidence of death by christmas light falls, I would recommend modifying the question:
if I die of pneumonia, and have tested for covid positive, how does the hospital differentiate the cause of death as covid that produced the pneumonia, or some other cause?
THAT is really the crux of what is important..and it’s pretty easy but time consuming and expensive to conduct this per person…requiring post mortem molecular study of the evidence that cell damage and thus pneumonia can be attributed to c19 virus infection. It’s very possible to do this. It happens to be very time consuming and expensive. The default is to assume the two are related without the benefit of c19 molecular study given clinical signals are useful to make the assumption. I KNOW the point you are trying to make. It’s a solid question…Just refine it so it doesn’t become the true scotsman argument.
another way to approach: where is the seroprevalence study that helps to differentiate immune antibodies produced without a vaccine…versus a separate study of seroprevalence data collected from those vaccinated? (we call this qualifying a vaccine in efficacy…..a true test of whether vaccine is any more or less effective against natural immune response..)
God Bless America
Thank you!
Are you asking if a seroprevalence study exists or are you asking why we aren’t seeing it anywhere? I’m asking because I thought they did studies on efficacy since they were putting out numbers like 80% effective, etc. But I don’t know what they did to get those numbers and I have read different scenarios.
I’m not a data expert but I know enough to know that it can be manipulated and that it takes time and effort to truly understand some things. Also, I watched a video of Dr. Fleming and he had a chart of data that he said was used by the vaccine developers to show the FDA when they were trying to get approval. But I don’t know that those were seroprevalance numbers. I thought they were numbers of people.
If my questions require a lot more than is possible on this forum, I would be fine with you just suggesting some articles I could check out. Thanks.
the quasi phase 3 for moderna and pfizer biotech was done with approx 40,000 people each (total about 90,000 for both). split in half:. one on placebo, one in control.
it was performed between aug 27 and Nov 10… about 90 days.
there are several flaws known and some huge red flags. I will list them:
a. 90 days in insufficient to study efficacy. efficacy widely misunderstood. it doesn’t only mean “does it work”. it also means how WELL does it work compared to natural immune response. it also means how durable is the immune memory…does it last. 90 days cannot possibly answer efficacy.
b. safety. contraindications. again, 90 days is too short of a period to capture I’ll effects.
d. most of the story was done with modeling certain effects in a closed garden, and metrics were not published. the FDA approved this secrecy…it was part of the indemnity request by these drug companies.
e. there was ZERO pre trial seroprevelance data captured for either group to determine of natural immunity (t cells memory cells) were present, how much, and related to the c19 virus!!!!!!! so on it’s face, the quasi phase 3 is a sham. no other drug licensed by the FDA would EVER be approved and licensed unless they satisfied this requirement. in fact, if a drug company acted in this fashion, the FDA would investigate, fine them, and suspend sby6 and all government funding and resources. for reasons unexplained, this seroprevelance validation for true at efficacy was not enforced!!!
f. lack of true third party inspections of methods. instead the controlled and limited data was peer reviewed. this is not good ethical science standard. particularly with novel drug vaccines about to be rolled out during a pandemic. huge red flag.
f. sero tests were done randomly on both groups. molecular genomic sequences were also random to validate the antibody. not all 90,000 were tracked and tested for the antibody…BUT MORE IMPORTANT, neither group was isolated and quarantined against c19 in the wild…again, the emphasis of doing the pre vaccine sero data capture which was not done, raises it’s ugly head again. did any antibody result occur from the vaccine or from exposure to c19 in the wild BEFORE OR DURING OR RIGHT AFTER THE JAB???
the media, cdc, nih, who and the government cuts corners…lots of them.
the reality is that everyone who has gotten the jab will never know if it even works. and they will soon find out if the vaccine harms them….we already see some evidence of that.
lastly…no one in their right mind believes the vaccine even IF it works will ever reach the arms of 60-80 percent…not in the US…not in the global.
it’s a reality…this theory that the vaccine will end this pandemic is one huge lie.
what will happen is this:
if the vaccine works…it will probably save some lives…but it will not end the pandemic…it will contribute slightly to a lower transmission rate..
natural human immunity will play the biggest factor. our well designed bodies will end the disease and pandemic. more will get sick… some will die…some will suffer long term issues from pneumonia related lung tissue damage and also related weakened immune defenses.
but the good news is that this virus is no longer novel. humans at scale gave been exposed.
I’ve shared the data for the US that proves that herd immunity not attributed to Vaccines is the current phase of this pandemic.
this is particularly awesome news!
it’s just sickening to me that the media meatheads this administration and the do called health officials are even discussing it.
they’ve painted themselves in the corner with this vaccine craze…ego, money, corrupt agendas and simple arrogance is the prevailing wind amongst these embeciles.
we deserve better.
I so enjoy reading these “cut and paste” posts….so informative.
The pneumonia could have been caused by….wait for it…wearing a mask! Should that count as a covid death?
Desantis saying outloud what Americans believe. Propaganda press hardest hit.
DeSantis states with a vaccine, one is “immune”.. That is NOT the case nor has it ever been stated. Witha vax, one supposedly gets a milder case of covid if one gets it. That is not “immunity”. That said, those vaxxed should indeed get on with their lives because they are not going to be in the hospital or die from covid.
That has never been the purpose of a vaccine. If that’s how they work then it’s a misnomer, it’s not a vaccine it’s a palliative treatment and THAT being the case the legal immunity should also be removed.
When they start MANDATING these vaccines the legal immunity should definitely be removed, including the private companies and institutions suspiciously requiring “passports.” Right now, however, panicked people are *volunteering* to be lab rats in a New World Order sustainability experiment. So they are on their own.
Almost 99 percent of the UN-vaccinated population were *not* dying from Covid, either. Their immune systems worked perfectly.
Of the 1 percent who were hospitalized and died, a majority of them were tragically denied *early* lifesaving interventions, DUE TO BIG HARMA LIES.
I agree the vaxxed should definitely get on with their lives now. In their panic to escape this plandemic, they may very well have jumped from the frying pan to the fire, and may not have much more time to enjoy it.
and the strange thing is nobody died from the flu this year its all covid. every year at least 61,000 die during the flu season oh that’s right they have to label everything covid so they get free money stupid me 🙂
The free money was just the icing on the mind control cake.
It all works together.
Yes, our struggling, privatized hospitals are given quite a bounty for Covid-19 related deaths, due to the extra costs involved in patient care.
The real suffering comes from the state. No vaccine or medical treatment can cure that disorder.
Then why the push to get everyone to take it in order–according to the people running this show–to provide “herd immunity”? No individual immunity=no herd immunity.
Someone is lying.
“Plague of Corruption” book by Dr Judy Mikovits, PhD Virology
“Plandemic II, Indoctrination” the documentary > vaccines are voodoo
Desantis has it completely right. Either people must be allowed their freedom or the tyrants must admit to the lack of efficacy of the fake vaccine.
I support Gov. DiSantis’ common sense, a once highly respected quality found all over, but presently on life support in the USA & worldwide.
The purpose of the fake virus was to drive gullible people to the vaccine. The purpose of the “vaccine” is to clip your DNA in two and basically sever you from your higher-order brain functions, and sever you from your connection to God. (Yes, God. What did you think this was all about?) It’s simple as that. Those vaxxed are basically either killed, or turned into soulless robots, zombies awaiting commands. Anyone who tells you any different is lying through their teeth.
The mark of the beast?
So… Congress sends money to big pharma to pay for vaccines…that have to be renewed every 3-6 months. Sounds like a great money making scheme. Did Congressmen and Senators buy stock in big pharma ahead of this scam?
I think the congressmen and senators just take cash not stock.
Just sitting here reading what I’ve been saying for a while. If it’s so effective why do I need to discussing l social distance and wear a mask. This is just dumb. J&J halted in America and Astrazeneca halted in Denmark. I’ll just roll the dice and take my chances. God bless!!!
Good move. Your God-given immune system works just fine 99 percent of the time. If it doesn’t, then there are FDA-approved medications used *safely* for the better part of a century. I’ll stick with them: Hydroxychloroquine, Zinc, Vit C & D, Azythromycin, Ivermectin..
Those who think it’s wise to listen to these so-called “experts” whose lies have already killed too many, are in for a rude awakening.
If lower symptoms is all the “vaccines” offer I will stick to my regimen of vitamin d3, c, zinc, and selenium. If infected there is that hydro stuff I know how to obtain and benadryl for problems breathing. Big Pharma is evil. I have known this for years but never thought they would stoop to doing this kind of thing to basically everyone but their own CEOs.
I’m not saying it’s genocide. Hope it isn’t because of all the naive people who believe in commercials and that everyone is good at heart… and have therefore taken this experimental treatment.
But knowing what I know about how evil the people running Big Pharma are it would not surprise me if this was a plot to enrich themselves and thin out the surplus population as they view us. They already are happy with driving the elderly and mentally ill into debility and premature death. Been going on for decades now. But nobody knew because it didn’t effect them. So they didn’t care.
See the rumble video posted by GBari downthread, it bears out much of what you say.. and then some. It’s a real eye opener.
So many decades of “research” funded by USA (!) to create and then carelessly unleash this bio weapon onto the world.. and the “cure” may yet prove far worse than the original bioweapons created.
Yes, that’s plural: bioweapons. There’s more than one bioweapon in the hopper now, and US continues to fund the Wuhan lab that unleashed the last one.
The physicist/nuclear cardiologist /lawyer who details it all is very knowledgeable of the entire process and funding sources, and he says this is no accident.
People are lining up for the koolaid, and those that don’t will be hunted down via the mandates.
Jim Jones has nothing on these beasts.
CNN”s own Dr Sanjay Gupta says that COVID was a lab mess
CNN’s Sanjay Gupta breaks with his network and BACKS former CDC director Robert Redfield’s ‘informed’ theory that COVID escaped from Wuhan lab as ‘simplest explanation’
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9463153/CNNs-Sanjay-Gupta-breaks-network-BACKS-Wuhan-lab-theory.html
this was man made and is patented check this out
First hr + is very interesting
https://www.pscp.tv/w/1mrGmwnvZqQxy
Which begs the question ‘Why is the CHINESE DISEASE so UNIQUE amongst viruses that it cannot be Vaccinated against like a NORMAL diseases is it because it is a LABORATORY CREATED BIOLOGICAL WEAPON and not just a simple virus?’
Was there not a study some time ago (near the beginning of this mess) that said that there was evidence of HIV present? A couple of Indian chaps?
Of course, this was quashed and squashed…..dunno if it even exists anymore.
Virus vaccines are very ineffective. Less than 50% for the flu.
He knows the gene therapy shots are not vaccines. He knows that they do not prevent transmission or contagion. He knows that they are designed to reduce symptoms. This is people are told to continue to wear masks and social distance. He knows this. He has made a political calculation here which of course is no surprise to not tell these truths. Here’s my question: do these mRNA shots control symptoms by reducing the viral load or not? If not, then these manufacturers have created the possibility of widespread asymptomatic transmission. In other words, when I am sick I know it and modify my behavior by staying home, keeping my distance from people etc. If I don’t have any symptoms and therefore do not know I’m sick I do not modify my behavior in these ways. So unless these people who have had the gene therapy have reduced symptoms as a result of lower viral loads they are the threat to the rest of us as opposed to vice versa. Until I know the answer I am assuming this is explains the great movement, other than making Fauci and Gates rich, to convince or coerce the rest of us to get these shots. Unless everyone is “vaccinated” then the “vaccinated” are the threat, but they don’t want us to know it. I am also somewhat suspicious that is the reason the J&J shot which is an actual vaccine designed to generate an immune response, has been pulled since it’s rate of adverse affects is lower than the mRNA shots as I understand. IF people are vaccinated rather than given the gene therapy, again that would not insulate us from the group receiving the gene therapy. I may be all wet. Any virologists out there?
I read that the J & J shot was pulled due to blood clots in women. If there even worse adverse effects for the rival mRNA shots, wouldn’t those have been pulled by now, as well?
Never mind. Nothing is logical when it comes to any of the Globalists planet “emergencies.” They obviously require a few billion more deaths before their planet sustainability efforts are realized.
Bill Gates pulling strings is my guess. The only shots available now are the ones he has a patent on.
Good question btw.
The non-vaccines cannot stop you from getting a virus and they cannot stop you from spreading a virus. That said, it ain’t killing everybody, insanity is.
My nephew doesn’t wear a mask because he has C.S. That’s what he tells folks when he goes into a business. We have C.S. too. It is refreshing that governor Desantis also has C.S. A lot of commenters on here have C.S. too.
Masks cause folks to get sick. I got sick from wearing a dust mask over a decade ago.
The “good” masks (the ones that can “work” a tiny, tiny bit when worn according to exacting protocols) carry warnings about “continuous wear”, as they restrict your breathing. At least some of them used to.
It is very hard to prove whether the smothering of an infant is intentional or not, that’s what crib death is presumed to be, a smothering death. Yet we have parents being ordered to intentionally smother two year old babies, due to a virus that it is proven cannot be stopped by a rag or a surgical mask.
Mr. DeSantis is questioning the idiocy, which is plain to see, out loud, and it is high time somebody did. People on “our side” need to act like it and get behind him.
Right now I’m seeing a big divide between President Trump’s blue collar supporters, for lack of a better term, his most staunch allies, and his “elite” backers.
His blue collar people actually have way more practical knowledge on masks than most medical workers, and they by and large reject them.
I don’t want to see anyone who claims to be MAGA undermining the governor by wearing the face nappy when they don’t have to.
They can wait until they get home to indulge their security blankie habits.
He’s in big trouble now.
Virginia blackface Gov.Northam has a YouTube video up (I won’t post the link) stating that starting April 18, all Virginians are eligible for the vaccine.
That video has 262 likes and 1,600 dislikes.
It is not a vaccine. It is genetic modification of humans.
Dr Fleming on a Rumble interview this week states these modified genetic codes are basically a biological time bomb. Yet, we have headlines that falsely condense one year of the Covid-19 pandemic into a veritable lifetime of research, as if this were already settled science.
We have yet to scratch the surface of the far-reaching implications of the original bioweapon unleashed in late 2019, not to mention the intentionally misleading sound bites on these so-called “cures” that are just now being “tested” on humans.
say it with me… its not a vaccine and its not approved by the FDA – how is that so hard to understand.
Corporate media and their masters, the demonic globalists, fear this bc DeSantis has a real shot of being the heir to the MAGA thrown. I would love to see DeSantis/Cruz 2024.
Trump / DeSantis 2024. DeSantis/ Pompeo 2028 and 2032.
And now the Moderna CEO has come out and said if you get their vaccine you may need a booster. Come On!! Will it ever end!! They all want us on the hamster wheel of endless vaccinations coupled with fear. People say they’ve researched the vaccine, but THEY’RE the research!!
Like 90% of people, I am already immune without the jab. This weak germ is no match for a healthy immune system. Never did anything to try and keep it out of my body. No mask ever. Healthy as a 3 year old racehorse.
The Big Lie: My mask/vaccine/seat belt doesn’t work unless everybody has a mask/vaccine/seat belt on. Welcome to CovIdiocy 1984. Because antiscience haters. And racists.
Go De Santis.
You could make the same case for lockdowns. If they work then why can’t the Covid cultists spend the rest of their lives in quarantine? They will be safe from the Scary Sniffles. That’s what matters.
They really don’t care about Grandma or anyone but themselves.
Let them “live” like Howard Hughes. Sickly, stunted, miserable hypochondriacs hiding from the germy world. Away from contagious humanity.
Good riddance.
I tell people that the only thing masks do is filter out common sense.
DeSantis for president
At the moment Governor de Santis is the best hope of removing The Dotard and The Round-heeled Mongrel short of rebellion and civil war. President Trump, the legitimate victor in the 2020 election, may better serve his country now by running for and winning a seat in Congress, any number of which in Florida would be his for the asking, and becoming the John Quincy Adams of the 21st Century, rising every day in the House to hold the feet of the left to the fire. The important thing is to bring down the dictatorship! Biden (and the illegitimate Chinese puppet regime) delenda est!
Thank God Mr. DeSantis ask the question I’ve been curious about all along. This is all about control I feel. People vaccinate, still come down with Covid, still have to live by government rules, wear a mask,social distance, quarantine. Who has a life anymore?? That’s my question?