HHS Secretary Alex Azar Outlines Ongoing U.S. Coronavirus Prevention and Preparation Efforts…

Amid a sudden MSM firestorm, seemingly created to weaponize talking points around the Coronavirus for political damage, U.S. Secretary of Health and Human Resources Alex Azar appears with Lou Dobbs to outline national preparation and prevention efforts.

On January 31st President Trump initiated a national health emergency, instituted a proactive travel ban and assembled a Coronavirus taskforce.  One key point highlighted by Secretary Azar is the number of U.S. originating cases at 14 has not changed in the two weeks since initially diagnosed.  No cause for alarm.

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177 Responses to HHS Secretary Alex Azar Outlines Ongoing U.S. Coronavirus Prevention and Preparation Efforts…

  1. The Devilbat says:

    Tell that there is no cause for alarm to the World health Organization.

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    • Stringy theory says:

      The WHO is a tool for U.N. interests. I have little confidence in them.

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      • honeybee12345 says:

        Absolutely, Stringly Theory! Have you read the article by Jon Rappoport. He has been reporting for many years about these many “pandemic” threats and the real source of the threats. Here is the article:

        China coronavirus hype straight out of the CDC flu playbook – Jon Rappaport

        NOTE: DO NOT believe the New World Order Hype. Think Big Pharma and mandatory injections

        In today’s episode of Numbskulls and Deceivers in Medical Science, I ask the question: Are Chinese researchers copying an old CDC scam, or have they independently come up with their own lies which happen to mirror CDC hype?

        In my series on the China epidemic (archive here), I’ve pointed out that pneumonia—the key indicator of the “coronavirus”—can be caused by many other factors:

        Excerpt:

        You see, the CDC has created one overall category that combines both flu and pneumonia deaths. THEY CALL THIS CATEGORY “FLU.” Why do they do this? Why do they deceptively assert the pneumonia deaths are complications stemming from the flu? Because they want to sell doctors and the public on the “dangers of the flu.”

        Excerpt

        So we have two fake hustles, years apart, in the US and China, both based on the deceptive use of pneumonia.

        Liars tend to tell the same kinds of lies, over and over. Medical liars often import diseases which have nothing to do with their claims, in order to build up case numbers and pump up threats and fears.

        And then sell toxic drugs and vaccines, as solutions.

        https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2020/02/24/china-coronavirus-hype-s

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        • jmilamdeal says:

          I read that article, John speaks truth one more time! He puts the pieces together very well!!

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        • trumpmemesandreams says:

          China is in shut down mode still.
          https://www.capitaleconomics.com/the-economic-effects-of-the-coronavirus/

          It’s happening in Italy, and soon all of EU. With Carnival, you’ll see it spike in Brazil, most likely, in a few weeks.

          Ignore COVID19/Corona at your own peril.

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          • zekness says:

            COVID-19 has no officially reported cases in the southern hemisphere to date.

            where are you getting this information?

            serious question.

            the reason I ask is because the climate difference right now. As with SARS and MERS and all other C-virus class they are “seasonal” Brazil, southern hemisphere is the middle of the hottest months of summer right now!

            If you are telling me that C-virus is happening in S=hemi….then that would suggest COVID-19 is a vey special and dangerous disease we can expect to happen all the time, year round.

            so please, source please.

            I’ll take speculation as an answer too…

            not trying to be argumentative AT ALL about this.

            too important of an issue.

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            • trumpmemesandreams says:

              Hi Zekness — no worries, I don’t take it as argumentative at all. Today the first confirmed case hit Brazil (a gentleman who had visited Italy). AP here:
              https://apnews.com/fd3d0d0120dd10f3d09bad78a4dd9539

              Given the travel between Brazil and the rest of the world at this time, and in general, I’d expect more cases to pop up. Will it burn out of control? Hopefully not… but the circumstances surrounding it (Carnival festival) make it a bit of a ‘perfect storm.’

              From day one I said that because of the initial major outbreak timing — Chinese New Years — this was the absolute worst possible thing possible. About half a billion Chinese move around at that time, many flying home (to China) and then returning to where they work abroad as well. There’s just no way to contain that during such a mass migration of people locally in continental China, let alone expats abroad — hence the draconian measure that the CCP has *allowed* us to see. It’s a big enough deal for China to crater their economy, which leads me to believe that it’s far, far worse than we know… at least for them.

              Further, and I can only speak for myself here as I do business in China, most of my suppliers are still effectively shut down. These factories are mostly located in Eastern and Southern China (major cities: Shenzhen/HK area, Dongguan, Ningbo, Shanghai). Anecdotally, via WeChat or Skype, people say it’s bad, but they do not expand upon that — not that I blame them, as CCP has been shutting down ‘social’ accounts left and right, and/or severing access to the internet outside China. Those are the kinds of things one asks about in-person, though, so we’ll see.

              I wouldn’t panic. However, even if it’s simply a case of a ‘new flu-like disease’ it’s still bad as no antibodies exist as of yet in the general populous, there are no vaccines (yet), and it’s quite contagious (if not always expressing in outward symptoms). Run the numbers for flu in the US for a typical year, and you’re at a *median* of about 28.5million are infected yearly with the flu over the last decade — about 35m for the 2018-19 season.
              https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html

              So let’s assume Corona/COVID19 behaves similarly [though honestly it seems to be more infectious, and also harder to catch infections due to long dormancy periods/asymptomatic carriers] — overall it’s quite similar in risks with roughly similar morbidity rates. For the US that’s about 29million infected, and another 38,000 deaths to expect if it’s ‘just the flu.’

              The good news is the US is probably in much better shape (in some ways) than China for overall access to healthcare, and the quality of healthcare… plus individuals being overall more healthy and in healthier environments.

              The bad news is it could be much worse — and we won’t know for a little bit. Watch Italy, Europe and the Middle East. These are largely much more open societies, and we’ll be able to see how bad things really are based on the morbidity and infection rates there.

              All I would say is to be prepared — in this case I’ve simply stocked up a bit on dry goods/food staples to go along with normal emergency preparedness in order to minimize outside/public contact if there’s a sudden ‘burst’ of cases locally. Get a few N95 masks (though they’re mostly sold out now… a local Home Depot will have some or other hardware stores probably… ULine still sells them too.)

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        • Silver Sunday says:

          After reading two of John’s article, I am wondering if it is more of a case of Wuhan pneumonia, why are sick people who are diagnosed by other that chest X-rays popping up in other countries. Only those who were in Wuhan during those climate/wind days would be affected. So the random cases that are popping up would all have had to have been to China, or in close contact with someone from China.
          I am just not 100% trusting that article.

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      • roddrepub says:

        I’m with you. I believe what they say like I believe the weatherman!

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      • Zippy says:

        Hey, Stringy theory. Wish I’d thought of that handle. I’m a fan of that theory.

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      • T Carroll says:

        WHO is headed by a Marxist revolutionary.

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    • Marko Mendoza says:

      Why worry – Robert Mugabe was once the WHO Goodwill Ambassador.

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      • WES says:

        Jeans2nd:. Yes, the WHO is totally corrupt!

        What is hilarious about the WHO is they can not call the coronavirus what it really is! A pandemic!!

        The reason for this is because the WHO raised some money by selling several different types of bonds! The WHO has a bond issue coming due in July 2020, which if they called the coronavirus what it really is, a pandemic, would cause the bond holders to instantly lose their principle!

        Yes, I know this all sounds incredibly stupid, but is sadly true! These monkeys can’t call a spade a spade!

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    • jeans2nd says:

      The WHO is corrupt as all-get-out. Everyone knows that.
      Believe the WHO at your own risk.

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    • grumpyqs says:

      Tucker spent quite a bit of time covering the WHO this evening. It seems we are throwing away a lot of money down that rathole too.

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    • Tiffthis says:

      Wait, even Boutros Boutros-Ghali of the WHO said the virus peaked in China already and doesn’t see a wide spread happening. I swear I heard it on the radio today

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    • MfM says:

      Yet for weeks the WHO was downplaying the situation in China.

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  2. Kirsty I says:

    I have read in a medical journal of two gentleman acquiring the COVID-19 from an asymptomatic carrier. This was before the outbreak was generally known.
    These two gentlemen stayed home with what they discerned, correctly, as the flu and were back at work in a week. They were later proved to have acquired the COVID-19 virus.
    My point being is, if you are a healthy person that suffers from no chronic, existing or autoimmune disease, the chances of morbidity are less than 2%.
    This disease concerns the medical community, not because of its mortality rate, rather it’s R naught rate, which is the amount of people one asymptomatic carrier can spread.
    Wash your hands constantly and thoroughly, try not to touch your face and stay away from hospitals or physician’s offices/surgeries.
    Unless your temperature rises above 103 F or 40 C, do not go to the hospital, and if you plan to go, phone first and talk to the nurse in charge.
    This is NOT recommended for babies, infants, children or the elderly.
    Otherwise, stay home, eat popcorn and watch a good movie,
    I would instruct you not to watch the Democrat debate or any of the MSM channels, as this is proven to lower your emotional and intellectual IQ.

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    • L. E. Joiner says:

      Excellent advice, Kirsty, on all counts. Unfortunately, I did watch the Dems’ sixth-grade bicker-fest, but managed to refrain from throwing anything at my TV, so OK on that score.

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    • WES says:

      Kirsty:. Down playing the coronavirus is really not a very good idea. This breeds complacency.

      Generally 82% of people who get infected show mild flu symptoms. However, the other 18% require serious medical intervention to survive.

      Without serious medical intervention, about half do not survive for a 9% death rate. This is what we are seeing in Wuhan where they are completely overwhelmed and the CCP is just letting the virus burn itself out.

      Reducing the 9% death rate depends upon access to proper medical care. None the less, the death rate even with good medical care is still 20 to 30 times the regular flu death rate of about 0.001%.

      If you are older and have any serious pre-existing medical issues, then likely your death rate approaches 100%.

      That would likely include my wife and I.

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      • California Joe says:

        So far only Northern Asians have died from the virus possibly because it was engineered for that result. No Caucasian deaths or other races have been reported.

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        • WES says:

          Joe:. That is simply not true! Italians have died!

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        • Sentient says:

          Italians and Iranians have died. Not many, but not none. The first Iranian was described by the Iranian government as “elderly”, but his family said he was 60, a nonsmoker and in good health.

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          • zekness says:

            it would be very helpful if you dared to look at the official numbers in italy and Iran.

            the numbers and the data ALL SHOW clearly that mortality rate and age are significantly different that what you just posted.

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          • lolli says:

            Sentient,
            Not sure of their ethnicity, but you are probably correct.
            This site updates daily. Global site for infectious diseases. Has all the numbers from every country, plus medical reports from the affected countries. Good data.
            This is from today’s posting.

            https://promedmail.org/

            Total number of reported deaths: 2708
            Iran: 16
            South Korea: 10
            Hong Kong: 2
            Italy: 10
            Diamond Princess: 3
            France: 1
            Japan: 1
            Philippines: 1
            Taiwan: 1

            Data sources: WHO, CDC, ECDC, NHC, and DXY

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            • lolli says:

              Decided to post what the US is showing. This is with the USA NOT testing anyone except travelers returning from China. We do not have any idea how many cases we have since we are not testing any citizens at local or state levels, yet.
              When we do start testing and numbers show up, who will they try to blame? That is the problem, and the plan, IMO.

              https://promedmail.org/

              11 / 11 / 11 / 11 / 12 / 12 / 12 / 12 / 12 / 12 / 12 / 13 / 13 / 15 / 15 / 15 / 15 / 15 / 29 / 15 / 15 / 35 / 35 / 35 / 53 / 57 / USA

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          • john says:

            But who is the comparative health of a 60 year old Iranian to an American? I’d be willing to be it’s more like a 70 yr old in our society. Couple that with inferior hygiene and medical treatment over there and the cards start getting stacked against them. No one, repeat NO ONE in America who has the virus has died. Period.

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        • Chris says:

          Something interesting; that my daughter noted (her hobby is communicable diseases(she studied micro biology). She had read somewhere; that children are not among the casualties of Coronavirus. Interesting because the flu usually hits children and elderly at the same rate. Not sure where she picked this up; but I am looking for more info; if anyone has it.

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          • wondering999 says:

            Children would be less likely to have high blood pressure, which increases risk and stress on the heart with this lung disease

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            • Kirsty I says:

              Unfortunately, my wonndering friend, children are at higher risk because their metabolic rate is so incredibly high compared to an adult who has stopped growing.
              They get very ill very quickly,
              they also get very well, very quickly.
              They also react very badly to dehydration and that is often the killer.
              Babies have to be monitored very carefully if they are ill.

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      • fabrabbit says:

        Ok, Wes. So seriously what are you doing to protect yourselves? Have you taken any precautions yet? Do you have a benchmark for when you will put any plans into effect. Asking for a friend.

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      • Mac says:

        So, where did this 9% fatality rate, for COVID-19, come from? The current official fatality rate for the virus is only 2%. This may go either up or down, because it is based upon Chinese “official” numbers and we are uncertain as to their accuracy. The current official fatality rate for influenza a and b is listed as 1.8%. So, “officially” COVID-19 is only slightly more fatal than is the common flu. Now, I see that you are supposedly citing the fatality rate for UNTREATED cases of COVID-19. The problem with that is that it becomes difficult, if not impossible, too distinguish between pneumonia deaths due to COVID-19 and those from other sources, such as influenza a and b, post mortem. So, where are your figures coming from?

        The problem with this “crisis” is that it is not based upon any hard evidence. It is all doomsday speculation, much as the recent measles “epidemic” was. And, it is largely driven by the MSM, including Fox News this time, in order to gin up ratings and possibly for other reasons. All of these types of viral infection fatality rates depend strongly upon the quality and availability of medical care, in a given country. China has socialized medicine. This means that while they do have first world medical facilities, their care regimen is 2nd or 3rd world. Most patients, who see a medical doctor or even go to the hospital, with severe flu-like symptoms, are given a placebo and sent home to recover. This includes members of the at risk population. In the US, while most people with flu-like symptoms are treated at home, members of the at risk population are often hospitalized to treat for potential pneumonia. Different treatment regimen than China.

        I would not lose any sleep over the COVID-19 virus, just yet.

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        • wondering999 says:

          Used to help look after an elderly lady whose family took her to the emergency room over s Thanksgiving holiday for some problem. She came to the ER with a relatively minor complaint (her family wanted to be cautious, they couldn’t get a doctor visit.during holiday).

          The entire family caught and developed a nasty flu after their visit to the emergency room. I caught it too a little later.

          Maybe it is not climate that affects cold and flu comtagion, as much as.long distance family travel and large groups of people indoors together for Thanksgiving and Christmas holidays. China just had their Spring Festival, lots of travel before transit was shut down and quarantine instituted.

          A video about an outdoor kindergarten in Switzerland noted that the kids were outdoors all the time, and neither children nor teachers got.sick for the entire school year. Being inside without fresh air probably increases contagion of all sorts of bugs. Kids spread stuff in schools and bring it home to their parents and siblings

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    • fabrabbit says:

      Best advice I have heard in a long time.

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    • zekness says:

      important pendant point or order:

      “R naught rate, which is the amount of people one asymptomatic carrier can spread.?”

      that IS NOT what r naught describes WHATSOVER!

      please, if you are going to post information and opinion about this disease, please for the benefit of those reading about this serious issue, try to maintain accuracy.

      r naught is calculated by a very large number of factors and variables, of which only one is the non-symptom factor variable. In the current model there are well over 50 factors that are used to determine r-naught. Also there are two methods for calculating r-naught….one is a model based and the other is purely based on empirical data. These two methods have a substantial difference that is near a magnitude of order of 1 separating them. The implication is that the modeling is highly inaccurate for prediction. The empirical value for r-naught varies over time as one would expect, just as it does with all disease, including what was witnessed in SARS and MERS, the closest cousins of COVID-19.

      I also want to point out a few things too, just so some important issues are addressed:

      most people have NO IDEA WHATSOVER if illness they have is related to COVID-19…so, it not very helpful to suggest people stay home and not seek medical attention unless they have a temperature of xxx…That is really bad advice.

      the truth is the health care in the US is top notch. If you are not well, go see a doctor. high temperature or not.

      one takeaway from the cruise ship fiasco we should all take a cue from is that isolating people in tight areas with a total lack of correct quarantine measures is going to guarantee many ppl will get his disease. Staying at home among family members, SO’s, especially for someone who has been in a high risk event recently, would be the equivalent of that same cruise ship scenario.

      I don’t have any advice on the incubation period and asymptomatic problem of this disease…both of these two factors are going to be very difficult to control and to detect…

      The best advice is to seek help if you are not feeling well. With proper care, you have much higher probability of getting well…for COVID-19 and just about any other disease, this is true.

      gutting it out at home is not smart, especially if you know you were in a high risk situation before.

      travelers take note.

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      • Kirsty I says:

        As you know, Ro tells you the average number of people who will catch a disease from one contagious person and specifically applies to a population of people who were previously free of infection and haven’t been vaccinated.
        While I agree that the factor changes given other data like population density or general health/vaccinations, etc., it’s not unscientific to prognosticate, within the limits of your country’s access to good health care and the number of infected patients.
        We know that Ebola and HepC have an Ro of 2,
        HIV and SARS is 4, Mumps 10 and measles 18.
        Obviously we are calculating these numbers based on longitudinal data but it is not unwise for physicians to ask and be told what the Ro factor is at this present time in their specific community and country and the world at large.
        It is important to know how long the patient is infectious without showing signs or symptoms. It is not unreasonable to want that data and have it available. We know it changes within and between countries, but a baseline is always calculated and it’s a given that it may change with time.
        I assume aseptic technique while nursing the infected person and I apologize for that, but washing your hands all the time and being aware it’s airborne is common sense.
        I read a comment from someone who felt he had a 100% rate of morbidity because of his age and pre-existing conditions.
        That is the kind of thinking that helps no one.
        I am NOT telling people to not take advantage of professional care and I specifically excluded patients with pre-existing, chronic, auto-immune and age factors.

        That being said, I do appreciate your input and specificity with regards to the Ro factor. I spoke to it, assuming I was speaking to a patient not a physician, whom I would assume knows the variability of this factor.

        My opinion is also based on the fact that the head of immunology/epidemiology for respiratory diseases who declared COVID-19 very serious is the sister of one Rod Rosenstein.
        If you’re a physician, I would assume you know that the AMA, the CDC and the WHO are often used politically, to no one’s gain.
        Again, I thank you for your correction and specificity.

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        • zekness says:

          Understood.

          as I am sure you are aware, there is a pretty dubious effort even well beyond the CDC and WHO that is really mucking this public safety awareness.

          on the matter of R-naught, it’s really only important for researchers and public health and policy officials. Because the calculation and its result is being expressed in global average terms, single snap shot values are going to be problematic for any serious use at the local level for any particular area of risk.

          for example..I can show you a r-naught from existing empirical data input from the entire set and it will be X. But if you take just one hotspot, you will get an entirely different set. Most of this is due to the simple logic and design of the math involved…factors changes significantly from one area to another…for example, isolation effectiveness. And over time, as more data comes in the values for either global and local will change…and often dramatically.

          for the local health care, front line, and the public, is makes no sense advertising r-naught because it would create a very bad situation where risk is being anticipated on updates to the average as a whole.

          It is more effective to determine and then to establish guidance on what factors can be controlled through policy and behavior….

          it is the r nauight for these policy makers and healh and risk manager to see if these controls are effective.

          I appreciate your information….

          We need more of that here and everywhere…factual experienced…and not necessarily from letters behind the name, authority from credential arguments. and points of view.

          they do matter…people should be having this conversation…and coming to terms with the risk and be aware of the contentious nature of some of it, and also realize there are some very problematic barriers that prevent making precise predictions.

          Those will only be marginally effective in getting the public safe. People need to understand the risk in terms and in a language they can depend on, with confidence, that isn’t swayed by institutional bias and policy or financial interest. This disease is to serious to rely solely on that stream…not saying it isn’t needed, but I’m already witnessing some spectacular sprints to push some very poor reporting…the talking head shows with their preferred “in house” go to expert….

          r-naught only looks accurate after the disease cycle is complete…this particular outbreak cycle is not even close. And then there is the unknown factor about how well or not it remains powerful in warmer weather seasons….we shall find that out soon enough as it makes the stage in southern hemisphere. I pray to GOD it follows SARS and MERS in that respect. If not, we will be having a completely different conversation about r naught..with far fewer people to have that conversation with!

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          • Kirsty I says:

            I really appreciate your input. Yelling about huge R naught factors don’t help anyone, and as you so wisely said there are so many variables that it’s a virtual soup of information!
            I will be praying right along with you and really hope neither you nor I will have to wear hazmat suits at work. There’s such a detailed protocol to take them off and put them back on. I heard the Chinese physicians were wearing nappies/diapers they were so busy.
            Being busy to the point of exhaustion is something we have to be aware of, and even more, watch our colleagues as they watch us if we get sloppy.
            God bless.
            Thanks for your time.

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    • Trumpeter says:

      Wow. Your chances of being killed by anything are way less than 2% in any year/event. 2% is HUGE in a medical sense.

      It would be the death of 40 million people. 2 million dead of the 100 million young to middle aged and healthy. And half of the rest of the country.

      Who ho, good times ahead.

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      • Mac says:

        Influenza a and b has a fatality rate of approximately 1.3%, in the US, though it has risen to 2.5%, on occasion. And, it accounts for 16,000 to 44 thousand people every year [with a high of 56000 in the 2017-2018 flue season.. This is from an infected population of approximately 9 million to 44 million cases of infection.

        What you are doing is postulating a 100% infection rate. This is not likely to happen. Even without influenza vaccines, the modern rate of influenza infection has still been below 25% of the US population. So, that would equal approximately 82,5 million people infected and at 2 % the fatality rate would be only about 1.7 million people, if that 25% infection rate were met. An influenza fatality rate for a similar sized infected population would be approximately 1 million. And, the 2% fatality rate is based upon Chinese derived figures, which are most likely not accurate and may actually be inflated, due to a lack of accurate diagnoses of survivors during the early stages of the outbreak.

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      • Angus D says:

        If your post made sense, I missed it

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  3. dave casper says:

    If the M.S.M uses this to attack the President, instead of working with him to help our country
    overcome this threat we face, then we know beyond doubt their evil.

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  4. Les D says:

    Uh 14? You forgot the other 14 that tested pos+ your Under-Secretary Robt Kadlec, M.D. in Japan sent back last week, over ruling CDC Seniors in Japan, and sending them on the same plane with 300 uninfected from the Japan Cruise (though the + were compartmentalized) who did not know about the 14 until they hit Spokane. Turns out only 12 were pos+ after re-tested in Spokane. Still, your math is off rather conveniently.

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    • Les D says:

      I wonder who really gave the final OK, Trump didn’t know. State Dept also pushed to bring ’em home. Hard to imagine the Under-Sec made that call on his own, so it was Azar or PuffyPompeo or a combo. NY Times and WaPost both quoted CDC as telling Kadlec to keep CDC out of the press release.

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    • The sickies were compartmentalized, but there’s only one air exchange system and that’s shared by the entire plane (my assumption here).

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    • MfM says:

      That ship was a petri dish. It wasn’t just the 14, it is now up to 36 from the Diamond Princess Cruise. Given the infection rate of everyone on the ship those additional 22 could as likely gotten exposed on the ship as in transport. The US was in a difficult spot. If they had gotten the test results while they were still on the boat they could have left them behind. They got them after, we don’t know what Japan said about it. I’d like a lot more info about what happened before I judge it as a lousy move. It may have been the best choice of a lot of bad choices.

      There were only 3 cases that developed in quarantine in the US from Americans taken out of Wuhan.

      Personally, I’d like to see the quarantine extended for the Diamond Princess people because there is mixed information about transmission and incubation rates/times.

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      • wondering999 says:

        Cruise ships have a sketchy contagious medical history already with massive, nasty norovirus outbreaks. It is nuts that they did not have better quarantine protocols in place.

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  5. repsort says:

    Heh.14.
    They aren’t testing anyone! I guess as long as they don’t test, they don’t have to add to that number?!

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    • High false positives and negatives with a nucleic acid/gene screen/RT-PCR test? That seems sketchy, usually very sensitive and very specific.

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      • zekness says:

        for all classes of c-virus “screening” tests you mentioned will all have a significant number of false-positives. In order to definitively determine conclusively a COVID-19 virus, requires a much more involved “lab” test….china has this capability from day one. This is HOW they were able to detect this new disease as novel. A sample is taken and it takes about 18 hours turnaround in and out, not counting travel time for the specimen to the lab. It took only 2 days for china to send the early samples to 4 other independent labs, US, europe, Canda, and Russia to determine their findings were conclusive this was a new corona virus.

        the field test, you mentioned, are highly available and are as good as it gets in screening, even with the false positive issue. Now, false-negatives are a serious problem!!! That is what is problematic right now with this disease….coupled with a highly variable incubation period and the highly contagious factor coupled with the reality that this disease could not be isolated and controlled in a city of tens of million of people during one of the most traveled holiday periods in a cold environment coupled with a very high number of people who got infected early on well before this disease was recognized as novel….some are speculating based on evidence this disease likely began as early as October 2019. Solid evidence not based on models but on the very high outlier or deaths from pneumonia that occured in eastern mongolia just west of wuhon…a “border” area not well controlled but one of substantial substantial travel and trade and tourism!. The implication is that this disease probably has a much more broad endemic component well before the “wuhon” event. There are only a couple of ways to explain the data right now, with that background:

        a. tourism and travel was nearly exclusive to “local” mainland chinese persons to that region outside of wuhon ….this would explain why the outbreak did not travel far and wide beyond china until it reached the heavier wuhon district where global travel and contact to the outside could happen.
        b. the pneumonia cases was related to something else entirely and just coincidental
        c. there may be more than one strain of c-virus at play here…that something changed.

        there is some effort to collect samples from recent pnemonia patients in that region outside of wuhon to learn a bit about that. This is important because this would be critically important to know how this disease may have been transmitted to other regions in remote areas, not well equipped to test ….as most very poor areas just do not have PCR and nucleic or lab access. It’s important also, because if this is a multi-strain situation, we could be dealing with another c-virus class that we will eventually have to deal with and test for in many other areas and also might explain why some people right now are testing negative for covid-19 but are getting sick later…(two variants of the same class!)

        just speculative at the moment….but worth every effort to rule that out.

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        • MfM says:

          Given the false negatives, it maybe a good thing to not test massive numbers of people. The CDC is talking to people and I believe asking them to limit contact with others and monitor their health. I’ve heard very conflicting reports so don’t know exactly what the CDC and local health agencies are doing.

          Maybe it’s better for people to be unsure of their status than to have a test that comes back negative and have it be a false negative.

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    • lolli says:

      repsort,
      Ya, it is really ticking me off.
      No one is being tested here!
      How in the world can Azar tell us we only have 14 cases, and no new ones, when they are not testing Americans. Wow. I do not trust Azar now.

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  6. mandy says:

    Highly HIGHLY recommend this video. Long but DETAILED info on how this thing has been handled in China. Unbelievable response. The Chinese – because of their RAPID and AGGRESSIVE action to stop CoVid-19 – literally CHANGED the shape of the epidemic curve!

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    • Les D says:

      Mandy, I avoid YouTube. I hope someone who doesn’t can summarize it, but it sounds like your take is they tried to contain and it helped and I’ve read that elsewhere. My q is it that they tried to put XI’s bad Genie back in the bottle, I mean does the video implicate/insinuate that this was a bio-weapon that blew up in their face?
      Not that we aren’t doing it too, in fact longer and larger then any from what I read in Academia. Here’s a seemingly non-political website with the listings of all our “known” bio-labs, military and academic. I don’t think I saw one that had bio WEAPON center in its name. They are couched in terms like Bio-Security, and Bio-Defense Centers. But, I guess….?
      https://www.virtualbiosecuritycenter.org/education-center/us-bsl-laboratories/

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      • Les D says:

        24 listed all around the country, so if we count the Spook’s labs, we have 50?

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      • mandy says:

        Les, here’s some of a summary I found…

        three big questions bruce aylward wanted to address in this briefing
        1 what has china done
        2 what the impact of their approach has been
        3 implications or lessons as we go forward

        1. taken very standard and “old fashioned” approach and public health tools and applied them with rigor and on a scale never before seen. case finding, contact tracing, social distancing, movement restriction, and used that approach to try and stop a new emerging pathogen.

        five key things that they did

        a) took a differentiated approach by region with identical fundamentals but degree of application varying by intensity of transmission

        b) mobilized phenomenal collective action by the people of china using an individual sense of duty (framed as a war with the enemy being covid-19)

        c) repurposed the machinery of government; transportation, agriculture, forestry dept, etc. into a prevention and control task force

        d) technology-turbo-charged response. big data. ai. using the wechat payment system as a way to track people’s contacts and locations visited for example. they took whole hospitals almost out of service (except for emergencies) for dealing with coronavirus, delaying elective procedures, but transferred lots of other functions online (diagnoses, pharmacy, etc) via cellphone, dealing with everyday life, food deliveries made from online orders

        e) the science advances quickly. they are now on the sixth set of clinical guidelines for care. there is a speed of adoption of the new guidelines as well, incredible on scale.

        (two and three in later post….)

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        • mandy says:

          2. the unanimous assessment of the international team is that china’s actions have dramatically changed the course of the outbreak (graphic presented about about 24:30 of the video, the graph typically looks like a normal distribution curve, this one does NOT). old-school techniques WORK WHEN APPLIED. hundreds of thousands of cases were prevented by what china did.

          3. china wasn’t acting from scratch. they set up surveillance for novel viruses after SARS. the first thing is to remain vigilant. … the world has to have a change in mindset to be aggressive in using old-school techniques (contact tracing, isolation, etc), not “preparedness” but shifting to being rapid in response. the wards are isolated and sealed in china, everything is done to scale and quick. they wall off wards rather than having sections of wards for isolation, they take stadiums and convert them. the world should learn to take this kind of action AT LARGE SCALE and FAST. you have to bring the population with you. they should be washing their hands now. More info on how China worked to bring their people along with the fight against the virus (framed this as a WAR and the enemy is the virus).

          That’s a basic summary, hope that helps, Les!

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          • Les D says:

            Thx so much, lots of info there.

            Is this an American trait or just me–I wanna blame somebody, find fault, punish if this wasn’t au natural.

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            • mandy says:

              I think it’s totally normal – and the internet has fueled the idea of “OMG it’s a BIO WEAPON!” because … quite frankly, it’s not just Rahm Emanuel who believes in ‘never let a crisis go to waste.’ While I DO believe that evil governments worldwide are trying to develop bio weapon diseases, I do NOT believe this is one of them. I believe that this is just another zoonotic pathogen like others that have plagued humans since … forever.

              One other thing I’ve noticed as I’ve watched this thing play out online thus far…there is a segment of the population just LOOOOOVES to be terrified. It’s the whole reason that the ‘horror movie’ genre exists!

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              • Sentient says:

                Great. Now can we hear your theory about how there’s no such thing as the South Pole, just an “ice ring” and a conspiracy of governments prohibiting anyone from approaching the ice ring?

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              • Kirsty I says:

                Nancy Messonnier, MD, is the Director of the Center for the National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases (NCIRD).
                She is making a lot of noise.
                She is Rod Rosenstein’s sister and was an intelligence officer in her career.

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          • zekness says:

            well done mandy..

            that’s been my review of the china effort…an amazingly and surprising level of effort. And I’ve read MANY different sources that attribute this, that were no simple echo chambering.

            I’m not even going to engage the conspiracy theory gas. It’s boring and overdone with zero evidence to back it up. And frankly, I have a completely different opinion about tom cotton for some of his nonsense on the matter. I sent his office an email demanding he provide the evidence to back up his theory. It serves ZEO value in creating that fake news …something I would have assumed he would have been wise to avoid given everything else that the MSM seems to be engaged in. no response of course. If he had some special knowledge he would have provided it. He seems to be taking the strategy of infowars BS and playing to fears imagined. sad, because his previous efforts seemed pretty balanced. Oh well…

            now back to this crisis and the china effort….it’s kind of ironic that due to the level of authoritative control and culture in china they were capable of pulling this off fast, efficiently, and effectively. What makes me very concerned is what to expect when this thing goes sideways in the US…completely different kind of culture…which I love deeply…but it will be very critical for people here to respect the advice and cooperate to get this thing under control. As we learned from china, this disease is very unlikely to be contained…If the US fails to achieve at least as well as china, we are going to have a really bad set of months…years?

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            • mandy says:

              Your concern re: what happens when it gets out here in the US is one I share. As I’ve pointed out elsewhere, our ‘authorities’ are no longer allowed to clear protesters from FEDERAL interstate highways – just exactly HOW are our ‘authorities’ going to EFFECTIVELY enforce a quarantine? Answer – they’re NOT. Best to prepare to SELF quarantine until this thing burns itself out. Which it will eventually do….eventually….

              Re: Tom Cotton – Treepers seem to have forgiven him for being at that major planning session on how to destroy Trump that was held when he was CANDIDATE Trump down at Sea Island… I don’t trust the guy and never will because he’s a SNAKE.

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        • davidsstones says:

          Excellent work. Thank you for investing your time in others. You’re part of the solution to denial, fear, wavering and arguing from emotions. This virus will not be denied nor beaten by cowardliness. Keep researching. Keep posting.

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    • MVW says:

      re: this vid & the WHO liars,
      I am sorry, in this ‘update’ I feel like I am listening to a true believer in Communism not a researcher. Further, the 80,000 cases absolutely does not add up to what was seen on the Diamond Princess, not the single case in South Korea where that pastor infected hundreds… a single person. Moreover, we just went through the Chinese New Year celebration.

      You BS me and I will smell it. Stop it.

      Singapore has had success in stopping the virus based on cases there. China has not. So, it can be stopped, it is just that the CCP thinks that other will swallow their garbage fiction.

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      • MVW says:

        I absolutely disagree with Secretary Azar’s communication style.

        As I see it he sounds like he is applying buckets of perfume to the corona virus situation, so much so that I am left with the distinct feeling that the situation is so horrible that he can’t himself face its reality. Buckets of perfume are not even needed for cleaning a service station restroom.

        After all the pablum, to use Lou Dobb’s word, Azar says clearly and simply that **we are just trying to slow the virus spread**, which is what the CDC lady said that so many are vilifying. Rational. I am an adult, I like unlacquered truth.

        Give it straight, leave off the buckets of perfume. And by the way, I suspect that this will work out well, but I admit that with listening to that WHO doctor who is in love with Communism, and Azar pouring buckets of perfume all over the Corona virus story, it is a challenge to hang onto my optimism.

        Is it such a horror that officials are resorting to such over the top plastering over the story?

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        • zekness says:

          MVR, the messaging is shaky because the threat is still largely uncontained…it’s fluid…what we do know demands that a reasoned messaging to the public be very careful about taking this disease seriously, but also not to create hysteria..it’s fine fine line.

          remember, we are in an era, where anyone can create some sensationalized paranoid conspiracy and a large swath of flat earthers eat it up and act upon it.

          we would like to believe that things like congo health care professionals are assasinated by the local tribal voodoo primitives, and think: that will never happen here.

          and it probably will not. But there are other things that can happen when people get hysterical and become irrational.

          a calm reasoned messaging is important. Whether you believe it true or not it does help to mitigate against a run on the banks…food and medical hoarding. civil unrest. price gouging..etc…the list goes on.

          these things are real..they happen in every town during hurricane season as the next big storm approaches….so, yes, we don’t kill our health professionals…but the overreaction does happen with consequences to the communities and safety…

          the very best way to mitigate against these reactions and behavior is to make the facts clear, but not to understate or overstate the problem…it’s a very very difficult thing to do…this is especially true with this sort of epidemic that is probably going to be pandemic in the very near future. It’s inevitable.

          think of it this way:

          a hurricane is offshore..right now…and you live close to the estimate impact area…it’s 30 hours out…it’s just a cat 2..low impact but it could be alot of rain, or it could “peter” out before making landfall….then tomorrow, it goes cat 3 and it’s now 150 miles out and you are still in the cross hairs….now, 6 hours out, it’s cat 4, and your area is under a watch and you are being asked to evacuate.

          now imagine there are 6 – 20 tropical storms behind all of that, all of them with the same potential and probability of forming a hurricane matching almost exactly the existing cat 4 that is definitely going to make landfall in 6 hours from now.

          what this disease messaging is describing what they are expecting to happen in the likelihood that all of those storms and the existing threat happen…..

          and like this hypothetical train of hurricane hypothetical, is is also impossible to forcast if any of those other events beyond the one we know is happening right now, will actually play out. But we do there is a high potential for it.

          this analogy is useful to consider..and to understand the very difficult task to describing the threat given that even the best models cannot really predict with absolute certainty what happens 30 hours from now…one after the other. you only can speak to the threat in terms of risk management…hope for the best..plan for the worst..but the messaging has to include the risk in between too..and that is a good “safe bet”…you don’t want to get people panicked. It serves zero value. It can create a “Y2K” phenomena….the next time, maybe people just don’t care to trust public safety messaging.

          it’s a delicate balance.

          it’s also important to realize that for the majority of citizens they neither have the interest or the time to read up and evaluate on their own, what is going on…

          it’s also important to realize the main stream media talking heads are not reliable and have a very special interest to make this disease a political hit job, so they are going to be framing this disease in a way that does not serve the public safety interest as a priority.

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          • Mac says:

            While interesting, this is not what happened with COVID. What happened was that the MSM blew this Chinese outbreak up to being apocalyptic, without any evidence to support that. Then they stated that it was coming to the US and would decimate the population, again without any evidence to support that. They manufactured a panic environment. The US Government, in an effort to tamp down the panic, then suffered a knee-jerk reaction and claimed that it was working tirelessly to protect the people, when there is literally nothing that they can do to prevent it from reaching the US and infecting people.

            Now that we are finally getting accurate data, on the virus, medical professionals are beginning to say that this virus is unlikely to be significantly worse than the flu, in non-vaccinated populations. And, that is not a significant danger to nations with a quality medical system. The whole problem here is that society allows the “news” media to drive its thinking and perceptions.

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          • Kirsty I says:

            Very good analogy and I do believe that panic works against the individual and the community. Having everyone run to their nearest ER usually means healthy people get ill and the virus multiplies exponentially.

            Just for a note of levity, I suppressed a smile when you said,
            “…the messaging is shaky because the threat is still largely uncontained…it’s fluid…”, as I visualized the fluids that would naturally overflow in an infected patient.
            Gallows humour at best, I know.

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      • MfM says:

        The Church in South Korea has been called a ‘fringe’ church. I’ve also seen some of their practices as sitting around with their arms linked singing songs. Did they share meals as part of their fellowship, or communion from a common container?

        There are many reasons why such a group could have a high infection rate.

        The Diamond Princes was handled badly, but no one knew it at the time, only in hindsight.

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    • fabrabbit says:

      A WHO expert? Expert in what? Graft?

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  7. WeThePeople2016 says:

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    • Peoria Jones says:

      And the media and never-Trumpers have helped.

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    • Sentient says:

      So China locked 200 million people in their apartments for a month, cancelled school for millions of children and let their entire economy grind to a screeching halt to make President Trump look bad? OK, Jan. Maybe Al Franken was right – Rush Limbaugh is a Big Fat Idiot.

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      • dawg says:

        Your skill in creating a strawman argument is noted. Rush is not saying that.

        “I believe the way its being used, the way its being weaponized is by virtue of the media.”

        Similar to the way they weaponize every hurricane, wildfire, etc.. against the President.

        Maybe you should listen to the most successful radio host in the history of radio, a man who has proven he literally knows what the left is going to do before they do it, before you call him a “big fat idiot.”

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  8. Kaco says:

    I don’t know how well they are managing flights, and also taking those flights from China to other countries and to the USA. And is Italy going to be the next upcoming flight ban? I believe it was last night or before that Tucker had a reporter saying people were still getting around the travel ban.

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    • Les D says:

      Kaco, you kind of hit the futility unless we bar everyone not here from coming, impossible, like also WSB proves in his below mine here, gringo’s and our servicemen get it while not in China, come home asymptomatic but are spreaders already. I think we’re all going to be wearing masks at our cities Baseball’s home openers 1st week in April.

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      • zekness says:

        the entire world is past that point….this disease WILL go pandemic….in technical terms, not political nuanced terms, it is already a pandemic.

        will travel bans help at this point? absolutely.

        but lets be clear, this disease is right now in 43 global countries in the northern hemisphere. With this highest potential that airline travel was how this disease traveled so far….this is both good news and very bad news. It’s good news, because it means that humans are transmitting it and that rules out vectors we would have a very difficult time isolating. It’s very bad news, because air travel means that this disease has had the opportunity to not only infect passenger on that flight, but every other places where air travelers navigate before, at connections, and after the flight. (with a highlight threat of a long incubation period)

        once it gets to the poorly developed countries, and it will, we are looking a very serious problem…in about 1-2 months. This would be southern hemisphere ….it would be catastrophic in those countries!

        it’s important to talk with your family, get a contingency plan going, have a bug out plan, have some stash money, stock up on some food and medicine, and look at how you might be able to make a living doing something else. Think of this right now, as a very big hurricane that may last a very long time. It may not hit your town, but this hurricane will cause a disruption is so many different places that there would be an impact on every town….far and wide.

        that’s the risk…I pray to god this does not happen.

        but prepare for that risk.

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    • As a Man Thinkth says:

      My concern is a boatload of contaminated Chinese fentanyl docking in San Francisco ….

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  9. WSB says:

    Laura Ingraham is reporting that a US service member in South Korea has tested positive for the virus.

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    • MaineCoon says:

      FTA: A USFK soldier stationed at Camp Carroll tested positive for COVID-19, marking the first time a U.S. service member has tested positive for the virus.

      The patient, a 23-year old male, is currently in self quarantine at his off-base residence. He visited Camp Walker on 24 Feb. and Camp Carroll 21-25 Feb. KCDC and USFK health professionals are actively conducting contact tracing to determine whether any others may have been exposed.

      https://www.usfk.mil/Media/News/Article/2094200/usfk-service-member-confirmed-with-covid-19/

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        • lolli says:

          WSB,
          From local paper.
          This article stating they have been transporting the positive cases from the base to our local hospitals. The city seems to be trying to convince our govt to leave the ill on the base in containment.

          https://www.kens5.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/mayor-judge-wolff-request-on-base-coronavirus-testing-in-letter-to-dod/273-befdf851-2664-434a-a088-2ba5b68944bd

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          • zekness says:

            very bad idea…a special quarantine on base for sure….provided it has adequate medical facilities and staff for long term monitoring and care…

            the readiness state of the military is south korea cannot be allowed to drop with the risks of this disease….

            it may require demobilizing forces to another location if the local population becomes hot, by disease or other.

            this happened in the philippines during mt. pinatubo volcano event. just shot the base down, demobilized and told the local government…you are on your own.

            while the threat of PRK is still active, this immediate disease threat has to be acknowledged and acted upon right now.

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            • lolli says:

              zekness,
              They have had positive cases in the Methodist hospital here for several weeks now.

              And the dr at clinic said he is seeing a lot of “unknown” flu cases. No one can test for the corona. No tests available at state or local levels. Only people coming in from China, and those tests are done thru cdc.

              Since mid Jan., I have followed this daily. It was ignored due to the fake impeachment.
              Now, after the powers that be have had 6 weeks to allow an infestation in our country with no testing to locate hot spots, this is already spread around the US.

              When they start testing, they will scream pandemic and blame PT that we have thousands infected. IMO, they did not want to let this crisis go to waste.

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          • WSB says:

            Why are they going to local hospitals? Do these have proper quarantine wings?

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  10. loubanya says:

    Hopefully there are consequences for Rosenstein’s CDC Madame.

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  11. RLTW says:

    And considering the President’s last tweet:

    WTF CTH? Don’t post this but DO post the last posting. Not tying to embarrass you.

    We are at war. I think we are on the same side. I hope we are on the same side! Ranger Up!

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  12. 1gr8dane says:

    Exactly WHAT is the definition of the word “PANDEMIC” – occurring over a wide geographic area and affecting an exceptionally high proportion of the population. When you calculate the number of cases and deaths in comparison to the worlds population (the last time I did it a few days ago) it only equaled about .00000154 of 1% in cases and about .0000000854 of 1 % in deaths.

    This is the exact same strategy they attempted to use for the H1N1 flu – the numbers didnt add up then – and they surely dont add up now. This is an agenda driven scare tactic to ramp up the need for forced vaccinations at the least, and an economic recession at the worst.

    Anyone who can do simple math can calculate the amount of deaths and/or cases based on the world population (7.8 B as of 2020) Believe nothing, question everything and research – research research.

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    • WES says:

      Dane:. Sorry but I can’t follow your new math! I only know old math.

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      • 1gr8dane says:

        Wes, it is NOT “new” math – it is simple math! Easy to figure out – take the number of known cases in the world and divide it by the worlds population which is currently listed at 7.8 billion people. The end result is the total amount of people affected in the world. More people die of the regular flu than have died from the coronavirus. Ask your kids for help if you cant figure it out.

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    • Sentient says:

      What’s it like to be retarded?

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  13. Blind no Longer says:

    Here is an excellent resource for up to date stats..
    https://www.worldometers.info/

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  14. Troublemaker10 says:

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  15. sundance says:

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    • Sentient says:

      “Far less deadly” is misleading. Ebola killed half of those who were infected, but getting infected required having blood or sputum have contact with your body. Covid19 seems to have a lower CFR (case fatality rate) – estimates range from <1% to 18% – but is much more infectious. Ex-China cases have been doubling every six days. Extrapolate that our for 10-12 weeks and you approach total global exposure. Obviously it will slow – prior exponential growth rate projections have proven excessive- but even a 1% mortality rate is horrifying. Our best hopes are that Western sanitation practices will slow the growth until treatments and a vaccine can be produced. Efforts are underway. Pray for the scientists.

      https://www.fiercebiotech.com/biotech/gsk-gives-clover-adjuvant-for-vaccine-against-indispensable-covid-19-protein

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      • zekness says:

        actually, on average, ebola has killed 88% of people infected. not half..

        there have been 26 confirmed unique outbreaks

        there was ONE strain of ebola that had an incubation that was 2-11 days, mild symptoms at first, airborne vector confirmed while asymptomatic, and with a mortality rate of 100 percent…that is confirmed. It is one of the 6 strains of ebola, called “Zaire”

        that was the very first modern era ebola outbreak. 1976

        there is a reasoned assumption this first ebola died out, because the species of bats that carried it migrated to another region from forest harvesting far away from population centers where fruit trees are common. AND because nearly every single person died in those small villages and no one has re-occupied the area and health professionals instinctively burned ever damned fruit tree to the ground in the area around the village. The kinds of bats in that area do not travel very far after that and with the withdrawal of forest, they have no contact with humans and locals remember not to eat the fruit or the bats in that area. It seems to be effective, so far. As time goes by, and the population expands, which is likely, there is every expectation that ZAIRE strain will carve out another disaster as new people have no memory of the dangers that lurk in the forest.

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  16. TRUTH says:

    Did anyone “catch” that Nancy Messonnier, MD at the CDC is ROD ROSENSTEIN’S SISTER?

    Does anyone else notice how the Coronavirus hysteria hit right after the Impeachment hoax ended; which was cover up for the Horowitz report and Spygate coverage. Haven’t heard a word about investigating the predicate for the Impeachment hoax and fake whistleblower “Charlie” Ciaramella, have we?

    And now there’s discussion that the Coronavirus will distrupt Americans going to the polls in NOVEMBER?

    In the meantime, the REAL Jihad whistleblower, Phil Haney was murdered.

    It’s all a little too “conveniently” timed, isn’t it?

    Nancy Messonnier, MD
    https://www.cdc.gov/about/leadership/leaders/ncird.html

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    • Kaco says:

      It does seem odd timing when you bring it up.

      A thought occurred to me, interference with Trump rallies with this virus run amok, and then more chillingly, endanger our President. He is very fit, but is older, pray for his continued safety and that God protects him.

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    • Sunshine says:

      Are there any anti-Trumpers working with the CDC and its affiliated groups?
      People who are looking to assigning partial blame on Trump to influence the USA election.

      The lesson to be learned is we allowed China to have a quasi-monopoly on surgical masks, viral testing kits and even prescription meds.

      I think it’s time to attract new business in these fields because our national security is dependent on it. It would also remove China’s monopoly.

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  17. ChampagneReady says:

    I’m seeing something that is a HUGE overlooked danger sign to me.

    Millions of people are wearing masks thinking this protects them from close-contact acquiring of the virus and are going about their daily lives as normal. But THAT’S NOT TRUE.

    Any virus only needs contact with “moisture” to be contracted. Anything wet is Disneyland for a virus. Just as the flu. Any sneeze or cough or anything that transmits minuscule droplets through the air can enter any moisture-rich orifice. The mask protects the nose and mouth, but what about the EYE?

    This means that all the people wearing masks are not protected at all! If they are not wearing eye protection, the mask is virtually useless and is nothing but a placebo as far as the virus is concerned. Anything that can enter the mouth or nose can enter the eye.

    What is just as concerning is should anyone touch something that had the live virus on it and then TOUCHES their eye, PRESTO, CoronaVirus contracted even if they are wearing the mask. What is the primary thing everyone cautions during flu season? Wash your hands frequently. Why? Because you may touch your mouth, nose or EYE.

    This means to me that every one of those millions wearing a mask with the allusion of false protection could easily have the virus and not know until they get the viromatic symptoms.

    This being the case, IMO we haven’t yet BEGUN to see the enormity of the pandemic

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    • pyrthroes says:

      Since the Corvid-19 virus exists and propagates on nano-scales, this surgical-mask schtick is a sick joke (intended); even so-called hazmat suits delay potential infection by a mere two hours.

      Now “old and gray, and full of sleep”, we’ve seen all this before, particularly in lung cancer’s pre-Salk days near seventy years past. As for annual flu vaccines, over the latest generation Big Pharma’s perforce untested variations-on-a-theme are documented a mere 16% effective– meaning that 84% of the time, “acquired immunity” entails inducing a mild but miserable 3-day case. If preventive measures infect you anyway, why bother?

      Eventually, something’s gonna carry you off (and the world will likely be a better place). Meantime, a Godly, righteous, and sober life is about the best mortality defense available.

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    • zekness says:

      COVID-19 can certainly survive for a time on the eyes…or ears…or shoulders…or clothing…

      and there is some risk in that surface contamination.

      and your point has some value.

      but to be clear on the subject…COVID-19 virus requires is unlikely to enter through eye and eye tissue cells for the same reason it will unlikely enter through any other tissue or cells than the respiratory cells. Now, the eye is in close proximity to the nose…so there is risk there of trasit but it isn’t going to be doing that through the tissue and cell..it will be doing that by either external fluid travel from eyes to nose or an release from the eyes through a short airborne route. There is a risk but it’s pretty small.

      this virus attaches to a specific type of protein that is only located in very specific areas of the body…and while it can survive on many different “surfaces”, like the eye, it cannot “infect” those surface, like the eye.

      think of a key…a virus is a key…that key can only “fit” certain kinds of locks…these locks are the special proteins only located in

      nose,
      back of mouth/throat
      espophagus
      upper mid and lower lung

      it’s a respiratory cell it can fit in.

      there are some speculations that this virus can also key lock to certain cells in the small intestines…but there are no lab test that confirm it. The reasons for this speculation was that some victims had diaghria…and feces tested positive for the virus.

      this could be explained by swallowing the virus but does not necessarily prove this virus can lock to intestinal cells.

      they are looking into it. It was also observed in SARS and MERS.

      I think out of an abundance of precaution, yes, a full hood or moc-3 if you are in a high risk environment. for health professionals we would have seen a far higher infection rate if eyes were a entry…

      but yes, it’s possible..just very low possibility.

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      • Kirsty I says:

        The possibility is as large as the lacrimal duct, the only part of the eye that can reach the mucus membranes, and I think the medical term is “teeny, weeny, super tiny”!
        It’s big enough that it’s not measure in angstroms but it’s smaller than a mm.

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    • MfM says:

      When I see a mask, I see it as they are cutting down their transmission of germs.

      While they may see it as self protection. I see it as one more way to cut spread.

      The passengers on the planes evacuating the Virus Cruise people all wore masks when they left the cruise ship. While the 22 who have gotten it during quarantine could have gotten it from the 14 that traveled with them, it’s just as likely for them to have gotten it on the ship.

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  18. Les D says:

    Something I was praying for is the scientific? thinking I’ve read a few times that Covar-19 just MAY fizzle in warm weather. First confirmed case in Brazil announced today, Australia and somewhere in Africa already. If it really spreads big in those countries, that hope is for naught.

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    • WES says:

      Les D: Right now the southern hemisphere is having their hot summer weather. I have spent a few hot summers down there!

      Typically flues die out during the hot summer weather.

      So yes, we should soon find out if they escape any major pandemics, providing they have any test kits. Somehow, I am not overly hopeful.

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    • MVW says:

      It is more than the hope that the virus will fizzle. In summer, if you get the Corona virus, it will be more easily realized as the other illnesses are few. Further, and this is my speculation, the worst cases are likely a result of more than one illness ganging up. Just Corona, and you are healthy, not being stressed by the cold, getting good sleep, no other issue, you will likely dodge the severe case.

      Don’t smoke!!! a good time to quit LOL

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  19. Troublemaker10 says:

    Dem voter base is do out of sync with party leaders.

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  20. T2020 says:

    Oh, and btw…please tell the CDC to STFU. 😁👍🏻

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  21. Troublemaker10 says:

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  22. rustybritches says:

    Its funny that tonight china is handing out money every where and on Bloomberg they are talking about money flowing out of the USA to other countries and also they said that china is putting people back to work as of today and that their GDP will slip only one percent because of the virus and yes I know there are still a lot of fear around the world and we need to stay strong and on the
    alert but at the same time what that women from the CDC did today should not have happened
    I believe what Mr AZAR said today along with all the people in the admins
    I see what the Dems are doing and why they are doing it, but again This is just something else to harm the President with.. There has not been any new cases in the US in the last two weeks and we need to hold steady and strong Time for the American people to stand up to the dems and start
    kicking butts and taking names ;;On Bloom Berg tonight they are talking about this being a big failure for President Trump I don’t know how He has been out in front of this mess since day one and even on Laura Ingraham show tonight she pointed out how the President has been in front of this and seeing this as just another way to harm the President

    Im sorry I guess it sounds like I am ranting here but trying to simply see the truth of this situation
    I think the Traders got ahead of themselves and threw away tons of money and for what to buy bonds at a less than decent rate. The stock market lost tons of money and any time the President is Over seas The dems have to find something to create a problem for him while there
    he almost made it threw this one but today at that press conference I thought something is about to happen when Acosta started getting crappie with him.. I

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    • MVW says:

      rusty, rant away, it is all good.
      “I think the Traders got ahead of themselves and threw away tons of money and for what to buy bonds at a less than decent rate. The stock market lost tons of money… ”

      It is what traders in the market do. ‘Short term the market is a voting machine, long term it is a weighing machine’. Greed will always counter panic. Similarly Americans will settle down once the reality emerges from the extreme disinformation from the Globalists, the CCP, media and gaggle.

      I do like what the Senator said, ‘Don’t minimize the impact from the virus and don’t exaggerate it either. We are ready for it, we have prepared for it.’

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  23. Magabear says:

    So I hear that the well known health expert, Chelsea Rodham Clinton, is also criticizing PDJT. She clearly has the same ignorant/evil gene that her mother suffers from. I hate that family. I really do.

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  24. nimrodman says:

    Yeah, but I can’t buy what this Azar guy’s selling

    All I see in those photos is a room full of white guys
    … and they’re OLD white guys at that

    I think we should listen to that Messonnier gal because she’s a woman and probably knows what she’s talking about … you know – like Liz Warren …. or even AOC

    Messonnier probably sat in a room and got advice from a way, way more diverse crowd than these white guys … you know – where all voices can be heard and no ideas are marginalized, and – most important of all – where a consensus is reached, a broad consensus with diverse underpinnings.

    That’s gotta be a way, way better means of decision-making than what I’m seeing in the photos up top

    Just sayin’

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    • Kirsty I says:

      You know what makes me trust the aforementioned respiratory specialist, Dr. Messonnier?
      It’s that she’s the sister of Rod Rosenstein. She also worked for a time in intelligence.
      With that CV you know she’s the one to trust above all others!

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  25. Trumpeter says:

    Hey Lou. When he says they have the right people, why didn’t you ask him about the Orange county debacle. The one where our hero, the fed Gov employee, plants 50 infected individuals into an abandoned facility in a residential neighborhood.

    When he says he trusts the WHO, ask about the pandemic bonds that trigger losses if there is a pandemic.

    I expect better journalism than this from you. You are supposed to know more of this stuff than I do.

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    • dawg says:

      Thats an excellent link. I just went down that rabbit hole that isnt very deep. All I can say is wow. It seems that chinese scientists at a lab in Canada were caught smuggling the virus out of there and sending it to Wuhan. The head of that lab that was working on vaccines was just in Kenya. He suddenly collapsed and was pronounced DOA at the hospital.

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      • lolli says:

        👍dawg,
        Yep, weird, like he was breitbarted. That’s what I thought the day he was …uh, deaded..

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        • Les D says:

          Thanks Larry good stuff, not easy but a laymen can understand the numerous conclusions. What sayeth the spooks/contra scientists I don’t know yet. But a reader is left with the conclusion China accidentally let Xi’s Genie out of the bottle. Key is their conclusion it was not a natural process for Corona 19 to be able to jump from bats to humans.The Canadian scientist up to his ears in this advanced research getting deaded adds to my depression. Here are a few notes I picked all from different sections:
          “This is undoubtedly an important breakthrough. This breakthrough shows that Shi Zhengli and others have initially mastered the “key” for the Coronavirus to break through the species barrier and directly infect the human body.”
          “Compared with the last 10 years of finding the natural source of the SARS virus, Shi Zhengli’s team is surprisingly quick and efficient this time.”
          “In other words, the extremely important new horseshoe bat virus RaTG13, which is likely to be the culprit causing the plague, was frozen in the Wuhan P4 laboratory for seven years.”

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          • lolli says:

            When I read up on him the day he died, I was more convinced evil actors are pushing the spread of this disease.
            IMO, bad actors letting the disease fester here with no testing for oversight.
            When they start testing, they will blast the increase in numbers, blame PT, and create the panic.
            Foreign exchange students, border crossings, flights, all conduits for the disease.
            No testing at local or state levels. How many “flu” cases are not diagnosed?
            Sabotage, IMO.

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  26. rich hahn says:

    He “might” be a good administrator, but he sure doesn’t instill confidence when he talks.

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  27. realeyecandy1 says:

    Well I began to be proactive and I’m preparing myself and my loved one for at least 2 weeks and honestly it is simply a good practice. We actually NEVER know when something bad could happen and it made me feel better. I still plan Friday to get more water, coffee and cat supplies. Hubby is having surgery on Wednesday and we know he will be home for 5 days with a cath but the thoughts of being in hospital now, even though it is outpatient has me nervous. We are already relearning our health routine with handwashing over and over, etc.

    I don’t think it would hurt to prepare for the worst and hope for the best. We simply at this time can only look at the numbers outside the US

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  28. Zippy says:

    “One key point highlighted by Secretary Azar is the number of U.S. originating cases at 14 has not changed in the two weeks since initially diagnosed. No cause for alarm.”

    Gawd! Do they KNOW they’re lying?

    You will -NOT- find what you are -NOT- actively looking for yet! BTW, just as one example, there are 390,000 Chinese college students in the US.

    Substantial undocumented infection facilitates the rapid dissemination of novel coronavirus (COVID-19)
    17 Feb 2020

    https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.02.14.20023127v1.full.pdf

    Excerpts:

    Many mild infections are typically not reported and, depending on their contagiousness, may support stealth transmission and the spread of documented infection.

    These undocumented infections often experience mild, limited or no symptoms and hence go unrecognised, and, depending on their contagiousness and numbers, can expose a far greater portion of the population to virus than would otherwise occur.

    ———–

    A faulty CDC coronavirus test delays monitoring of disease’s spread
    25 Feb 2020

    https://www.adn.com/nation-world/2020/02/25/a-faulty-cdc-coronavirus-test-delays-monitoring-of-diseases-spread/

    Excerpt:

    Problems with a government-created coronavirus test has limited the U.S. capacity to rapidly increase testing, just as the outbreak has entered a worrisome new phase in countries around the world. Experts are increasingly concerned that the small number of U.S. cases thus far may be a reflection of limited testing, not of the virus’ spread.

    While South Korea has run more than 35,000 coronavirus tests, the U.S. has tested only 426 people for the virus, not including people who returned on evacuation flights. Only about a dozen state and local laboratories can currently run tests outside of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta because the CDC kits sent out nationwide a week and a half ago included a faulty component.

    Currently, U.S. guidelines recommend testing for a very narrow group of people – those who display respiratory symptoms and have recently traveled to China or had close contact with an infected person.

    But many public health experts believe that in light of evidence the disease has taken root and spread locally in Singapore, South Korea, Iran, and Italy, it’s time to broaden testing in the United States. Infectious disease experts fear that aside from the 14 cases picked up by public health surveillance, there may be other people, undetected, mixed in with colds and flu. What scares them the most is that the virus is beginning to spread locally in countries outside China, but no one knows if that’s the case here, because they aren’t checking.

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    • lolli says:

      Zippy👍
      Yes. My same question. Do you know you are lying?
      We are not testing for this.
      I now know 2 young people (family members) diagnosed with “unknown” flu virus. Swabs don’t match, no testing for corona virus, so labeled “unknown”

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      • Zippy says:

        In one if the Peak Prosperity videos on this, he says he was contacted by a man who says he works with a bunch of Chinese citizens in Canada. He came down with a very severe case of the flu. He demanded to be tested for COVID-19. They wouldn’t do it. They apparently have the same requirements we have here:

        “testing for a very narrow group of people – those who display respiratory symptoms and have recently traveled to China or had close contact with an infected person”

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  29. Zippy says:

    WHO is a Dangerous “Corrupt Mess” [Tucker Carlson’s report begins at 1:42]

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  30. Zippy says:

    We have in this country 30 million protective masks for medical use in stock, they want to increase that to 300 million to prepare, but a previous HHS pandemic study claims we’d need billions. 85% of the US strategic medical stockpile comes from China.

    Health officials say US needs 270M more face masks to battle coronavirus
    February 25, 2020

    https://nypost.com/2020/02/25/health-officials-say-us-needs-270m-more-face-masks-to-battle-coronavirus/

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  31. ATheoK says:

    “One key point highlighted by Secretary Azar is the number of U.S. originating cases at 14 has not changed in the two weeks since initially diagnosed. No cause for alarm.”

    There is cause for alarm.
    • The initial claims for successful treatment of COVID-19 have not been repeated.
    • There are not any current medically proven treatments for COVID-19.
    As the original source for COVID-19, I wonder if Canada had performed any research regarding potential treatments/inoculants.
    • Without treatments, “Big Medicine” can not do anything but sell panaceas.

    • Facemasks made in the USA are one vendor only. He almost went out of business when he expanded production to meet a previous possible epidemic; so no plans for expansion. He is accepting no new customers.

    • Certain countries have invoked serious quarantines. Most countries have dismissed worries or practice minimal border checks.

    • iran, South Korea, Italy are new hotspots. It is likely North Korea sandwiched between China and South Korea is also affected.
    Iran is completely porous along all of their borders.

    • The influenza pandemic of 1918-1919 did not occur in one global sweep! Influenza infections ebbed and surged eventually affecting most areas.

    Graphics displaying COVID-19 statistics highlight a percentage next to the entries Deaths and Recovered.
    Those percentages are a what percent of Confirmed Infected. They are useless.

    The key takeaway should be what percentage of those who completed the disease cycle. That is, Deaths divided by the total of Deaths and Recovered.
    China’s numbers early 2/26/2020 are Confirmed 78,064, Deaths 2,715, Recovered 30,042.
    Deaths plus Recovered = 32,717 These are the patients who experienced the full disease cycle.
    • Keep in mind “Confirmed” is subjective, not definitive. China reported shortages of test kits early on.

    Deaths 2,715 divided by the cycle completed 32,717 = 8.28% Very worrisome in a disease that is deadliest during the disease’s final cycles.

    That is IF China is reporting the truth. Right now China censors every post on the internet of patients trying to show what is happening internally.

    There is no reason to panic, run in circles, scream and shout; right now.
    For the moment; Americans can be comfortable and unworried. keep in mind that, COVID-19 is likely to be a threat for well over a year with many chances for incoming smuggled COVID-19 infections.

    Stocking up on certain needs are good protective measures.
    • Medications, e.g. aspirin.
    • Facemasks, N95 or better.
    • Toilet paper
    • Disposable gloves. I like nitrile, your preference may be different.
    I plan to try cotton gloves such as jewelers and museum workers use. They’re more comfortable for long term wear and can be washed in bleach/alcohol.
    • Bleach for sterilization. Alcohol is good too. I personally want more bourbon and vodka in my cabinet.
    • Easy to prepare foods, canned, dried, frozen; your preference.
    • Expectorants; though the hospitals report little success treating the later pneumonia like symptoms in the disease progression cycle.
    America’s lack of dead COVID-19 patients suggests that something works in America’s ICUs and keeps patients alive.

    China, Vietnam and other SE Asia countries are no longer allowing export of face masks. China has been actively trying to lock in long term all mask production for China’s use exclusively.

    Stay safe.

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    • Zippy says:

      “Deaths 2,715 divided by the cycle completed 32,717 = 8.28% Very worrisome in a disease that is deadliest during the disease’s final cycles.”

      That’s probably due to a massively overloaded health system. Studies indicate 2 to 3% which is still up to 20 times that of the seasonal flu. Add to that an Ro of 3 to 6.5 (Ro of seasonal flu is about 1.28) meaning it’s much more infectious and we have a huge problem.

      Agree 100% on the preparation list. Stock up on bleach (diluted for surfaces) AND isopropyl alcohol (for skin). Nitrile gloves = far more durable than silicone. Goggles (unvented – use packing tape to seal if needed) and anti-fog spray. Trash bag liners meant for smallest wastebaskets to put over shoes and held over the outside of pant legs with military pant leg blousing garters with metal hooks (can be boiled) or rubber bands. Besides the TP, also lots of paper towels to be used in washing hands even after removing gloves. Liquid hand soap.

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  32. DaPicayune says:

    FBN’s Stu Varney stated an hour ago that President Trump will announce the creation of a WH COVID-19 Tsar in his 6 pm (EST) presser on the virus today.

    Let’s hope ALL Trump Admin announcements will come from the Virus Tsar from here on out. Put a Gag Order on Rod’s sister, Dr. Messonnier,… no more screaming Fire in our Virus theater.

    The DOW Market rally is up now,… no negative down arrows yet.

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  33. Zippy says:

    https://www.cnn.com/asia/live-news/coronavirus-outbreak-02-25-20-hnk-intl/index.html

    Public health labs ask to create their own tests for coronavirus
    25 Feb 2020

    With only 12 state and local health laboratories able to test for the novel coronavirus, public health labs are asking the US Food and Drug Administration for permission to create their own tests for the virus.

    “We are now many weeks into the response with still no diagnostic or surveillance test available outside of CDC for the vast majority of our member laboratories,” the Association of Public Health Laboratories wrote in a letter to FDA Commissioner Stephen Hahn on Monday.

    The association represents the 150 largest public health labs across the country and is asking the FDA for a special exemption to create its own diagnostics.

    “We find ourselves in a situation that requires a quicker local response,” the association wrote.

    While the CDC currently has no backlog or delay in testing [because they’re doing so very few tests – Z], the lab association’s CEO, Scott Becker, told CNN that its concern is not about the current situation, but for when [note “when” not “if” – Z] community spread of the virus increases. [very possibly increasing right now – Z]

    “We want to encourage and ensure that we have the test closest to the population,” Becker said.

    The CDC announced on Feb. 6 that 200 test kits would be distributed to labs across the United States. The kits needed to be verified by the local health laboratories to ensure they were working. Less than a week later, Dr. Nancy Messonnier, director of CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, said some labs that had received the tests were getting inconclusive results, and components of the tests would need to be remade.

    The CDC has been working to resolve the testing kit issue but has yet to provide a timeline about when labs will receive new tests.

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    • Zippy says:

      My question: in the mean time, why in the HELL aren’t we just using the test kits being used in South Korea… or Japan… or Singapore? OR do they not have their own RAPID RESULT test kits?

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    • Zippy says:

      The very convincing leaked documentation of massive under-reporting starts at 5:00. One date even matches a leaked video of a Chinese doctor in full hazmat gear saying that he recorded 50 new cases personally (52 total in the video), but only one was reported in the official stats.

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  34. Zippy says:

    US Soldier in Korea Has Active-Duty Military’s First Case of Coronavirus
    25 Feb 2020

    https://www.military.com/daily-news/2020/02/25/us-soldier-korea-has-active-duty-militarys-first-case-coronavirus.html

    A U.S. soldier stationed at Camp Carroll in South Korea has tested positive for Coronavirus, known officially as COVID-19, officials with U.S. Forces Korea announced Tuesday night. It’s the first confirmed case of the disease in a U.S. service member.

    According to an announcement, the patient is a 23-year-old male who is staying at his off-base home in a state of self-quarantine. The soldier’s rank, unit and military occupational specialty were not released.

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    • Zippy says:

      “Go back to work, peasants! But we’re not having our commie fatcat meeting for the first time since 1995 because we need to work hard for you in our home cities and provinces!”

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  35. Alec Rawls says:

    “the number of U.S. originating cases at 14 has not changed in the two weeks”

    The number of KNOWN cases has not changed, but apparently we are doing next to no testing of people showing up at hospitals with cold and flu symptoms to find out whether some of them have the coronavirus.

    After flying last week and coming down with some mild congestion this morning I thought: am I supposed to get checked? Are there local testing protocols set up where people coming down with something can stop by a transmission-protected location and have a swab taken?

    So I googled: “who should get tested for coronavirus?” The search results were a bunch of news stories noting how the U.S. has done almost no testing to this point (426 tests beyond those on evacuation flights says WAPO) and reporting how the test kits the CDC started sending out had to be recalled while new kits are not yet available.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/02/25/cdc-coronavirus-test/

    The people I was visiting were sniffling and that is most likely where I caught whatever I caught. On the other hand the airports were full of coughing people and I was flying next to a Chinese woman whose suppressed cough prompted me to quickly move to a neighboring empty seat. I would consider myself a very low risk case but worth testing if our testing capabilities were up to speed.

    Why aren’t they? Part of the problem seems to be FDA regulations, where capable labs are not being allowed to test because they haven’t gone through an approval process designed for non-emergency situations. I don’t trust WAPO either but Tyler Cowan found the same thing:

    https://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2020/02/why-are-we-letting-fda-regulations-limit-our-number-of-coronavirus-tests.html

    Seriously? If Trump doesn’t step in and handle things himself the bureaucrats just play turf war? He can’t take a trip to India and trust that his agencies aren’t being stupid?

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  36. Alec Rawls says:

    “the number of U.S. originating cases at 14 has not changed in the two weeks”

    The number of KNOWN cases has not changed, but apparently we are doing next to no testing of people showing up at hospitals with cold and flu symptoms to find out whether some of them have the coronavirus.

    After flying last week and coming down with some mild congestion this morning I thought: am I supposed to get checked? Are there local testing protocols set up where people coming down with something can stop by a transmission-protected location and have a swab taken?

    So I googled: “who should get tested for coronavirus?” The search results were a bunch of news stories noting how the U.S. has done almost no testing to this point (426 tests beyond those on evacuation flights says WAPO) and reporting how the test kits the CDC started sending out had to be recalled while new kits are not yet available.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/02/25/cdc-coronavirus-test/

    The people I was visiting were sniffling and that is most likely where I caught whatever I caught. On the other hand the airports were full of coughing people and I was flying next to a Chinese woman whose suppressed cough prompted me to quickly move to a neighboring empty seat. I would consider myself a very low risk case but worth testing if our testing capabilities were up to speed.

    Why aren’t they? Part of the problem seems to be FDA regulations, where capable labs are not being allowed to test because they haven’t gone through an approval process designed for non-emergency situations. I don’t trust WAPO either but Tyler Cowan found the same thing:

    https://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2020/02/why-are-we-letting-fda-regulations-limit-our-number-of-coronavirus-tests.html

    Seriously? If Trump doesn’t step in and handle things himself the bureaucrats just play turf war? He can’t take a trip to India and trust that his agencies aren’t being stupid?

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  37. As a Man Thinkth says:

    …Confirmed first virus case in Braziel…Expect to see the mother of all caravans once this spreads to central America…Free Health Care for all!!….Troops on the BORDOR..CNN
    headlines will read: Trump fails to secure border…thousands of untested immigrant
    pour into southern bordor states…

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  38. Les D says:

    Been reading about the pandemic we suffered, Spanish Flue 1918. WWI in full rage in Europe, but Spain a neutral country. The H1N1 virus did not originate in Spain, although they had it including the King. Neutral Spain was the only country were word was getting out, thus the name. The other Euro’s local papers (only media then) blacked out on it, not wanting to demoralize its troops further.
    But by word getting out thru Spain to us is a story in itself. 1918 no int’l radio transmission yet, an underwater cable worked but failed promptly before 1918, so no Morse Code either. I gave up searching how we were getting Spain/Euro news, best I could learn was from our boys returning stateside via ships.
    Died en toto? Records were only as good/no good as 1918 could be. Modern estimates the virus affected 27%, so 500 million humans, deaths 40 million up to crazy? numbers. US mortality 675k.
    No cure, the virus self mutated into a less deadly flu.
    Which I presume may be our fate w/Covar19 unless it was clinically designed not to mutate–paranoid thinking. But the Spanish Flu H1N! virus is still around, as the mutated Swine flu virus H1NI-9 reminded us 90 years post. The history of vaccination for any mutation of H!V! is well documented for your google enjoyment.
    Corona got named when it was first Dx’d in the 60’s as an upper respiratory, has mutated several times to much more severe/deadly as we know, and now to this bastard.
    The q on everyone’s mind is: Was the Covar19 mutation au natural or clinically designed so it could migrate the natural barrier from bat cells to human cells, the most prevalent thinking of scientists of the “clinically designed” schools of thought. And after that was accomplished, enabling mass reproduction as a bio-weapon, and that it escaped from a lab, and that’s what this is.
    The biggest fear if this is true, in my layman’s mind, could they have engineered it to not weaken via mutation for a certain length of time? In the rankest of thoughts, until the intended target was gone?

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