Horowitz Testimony: “The Only FISA We Found That Existed Was The One For Carter Page”…

Amid the investigative and research questions over the past several years, there was always a question about who, within the Trump orbit, may have been subject to FISA court authorized surveillance during their activity in 2016.

Because they were initially the four targets of the FBI investigation, there was speculation Paul Manafort, George Papadopoulos and/or Lt. General Michael Flynn were also subjects of Title-1 FISA Court authorized surveillance, in addition to Carter Page.

Today during his testimony, Inspector General Michael Horowitz specifically noted there was no other FISA application against any other campaign official. [See 05:23 of testimony to questions by Senator Chris Coons – prompted just hit play]:

“The only FISA we found existed was the one we have written about here as to Carter Page”…

That means all other FBI investigative evidence documented against Manafort, Papadopoulos, or Flynn had to come from some other method of surveillance.

This begs a significant question….

Carter Page was not associated with the campaign or transition after the election, so under what authority did the DOJ allow the Mueller team to gain access to all of the Trump transition emails, texts, electronic and phone communications? 


….Maybe a good question for Rod Rosenstein?

Then again, perhaps this speaks to why the DOJ is hiding the scope memos…

I digress.

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320 Responses to Horowitz Testimony: “The Only FISA We Found That Existed Was The One For Carter Page”…

  1. TwoLaine says:

    Sekulow on the hearing.

    Liked by 12 people

    • California Joe says:

      I like Jay a lot but he was much to kind with his discussion of Horowitz.

      Liked by 1 person

      • Ned Zeppelin says:

        Horowitz is the starter set. Barr was quite definite in his NBC and Wall Street Journal interviews: we are coming for you.

        Liked by 4 people

      • rondonmonson says:

        Without Horowitz finding the Page and Strzok e-mails I think the President might well have been forced from office by Wussie Republican leaders way back in the very beginning, in late 2017 or early 2018.

        You guys allow the Media Spin to over power these damaging Reports.


        • RonDon, we just found out that It was Mrs. Strzok who found the texts on Pete’s phone, and exposed the affair and texts to the FBI, Horowitz probably would have never checked their text history. Was it Sidney Powell that unearthed this?

          Kinda like Divine Providence! I agree that those Page/Strzok texts was the media flash point that turned the investigative tide. Sex sells, and affairs are particularly juicy.

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          • rondonmonson says:

            We know how they were found, the point is it wasn’t covered up. Just because a case is opened up in Wash. DC. doesn’t mean they always bring the facts to light. Horowitz was appointed to look at the way the FBI handled the Hillary Clinton E-mail investigation. It was about SEX {Maybe} but the Bias was the Key, some people have hinted there was no affair, they just led people to believe that in order to cover up the bias with SEX SLANT. I bet it was about Sex and the e-mails that we haven’t seen are the more sexually suggestive e-mails.


      • Lady Sid says:

        So he’ll live to fight another day. BFD. These guys make my ass tired.

        Liked by 1 person

      • hawkins6 says:

        Jay is a great defender of all things Trump and I hope he’s back to being more active presenting his cogent arguments. He’s a clever and affable fellow.


    • Super Elite Lt. Col. Covfefe999 says:

      Hey that was great!! I listened to it at 1.5x speed without problem. I recommend others listen!

      Liked by 1 person

    • dawndoe says:

      This was not Jay Sekulow. It was Evelyn Farakas.


  2. Zombie says:

    The resolution of the Flynn case is going to be very important. Judge Sullivan needs to let the daylight shine on VanCrack duplicity.

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  3. Carrie says:

    The FISA on Page was predicated on him being a foreign agent. Why wasn’t the Buryakov case brought up? He was clearly an FBI/CIA asset. That FISA also “made”? Sessions recuse himself because they tapped his phone line and heard him speak with Kislyak. I’m still wondering who else is in those scope memos. Kind of obsessed with them. Barr is a failure if he doesn’t declassify them.

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  4. Beigun says:

    Like feeding a newborn baby food from an old fashioned tube, administered spoon full by spoon full. No firehose treatment for Sedition…it must be consumed in digestible portions.

    Bull Durham is the main course.


  5. Clydeen says:

    It’s been said before but…” they never thought she would lose”

    Liked by 8 people

    • Yy4u says:

      Exactly Clydeen…had they even considered the possibility, they would have covered their tracks. Now they have to depend on the media AND hooe the Deep State can protect them as so far it has


    • Kay Sadeeya says:

      You’re right Clydeen, I imagine they were planning to send in their handi-man into the White House on November 9 to install the hand rails in every room (for Hillary), humidors, Epstein’s guest room and Depends dispensers for the Clintons.


  6. No_BlahBlah says:

    “FISA Court filing? That sounds Messy Jim. Too many eyes/ears involved.
    John? why don’t you keep running this? The FBI/DOJ has too many ‘Rules’ it seems”

    “Well, Mr. President, as you know, the Traitor Admiral Rogers has severely limited our data collection capability by halting and auditing our NSA operations. We’re all just trying to find a valid workaround for awhile.”

    “Mr. President, we haven’t been able to find a reliable Confidential Human Source yet that will stand up to scrutiny. However several of our True Patriots think they have a viable alternative to the FISA filing process that will muddy the waters enough to allow us to expand our surveillance.
    Besides, we’ll flood the courts for a couple of weeks and then slip this in. If they pick up on it we’ll just use the “OOPS” defense and back off for several weeks.”

    “Well look folkes, don’t start getting all ‘Wee-Weed Up’ on me now. Just do what you have to do and we’ll figure out how to cover our tracks latter if that becomes necessary.

    Call in the Five Eyes John. What do we Buy their Island Enclaves for ANYWAY? You might ask them all that, Seriously.

    I mean, Flynn hasn’t even figured out that we’ve had him covered 24/7 for the last 2 years yet.
    So just do it. This is historic. Don’t you all want your names to go down in history as in on the Coup that Toppled America?” (spitting on the Resolute Desk)

    Chorus, “Yes Sir Mr. President!!!!!”

    “Alright, get back at it. And please, Do I have to Micro Manage EVERYTHING? Get IT DONE!”

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  7. Dora says:

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  8. amjam308 says:

    Perhaps they got the info from THE HAMMER program. It is a mass surveillance program intended to collect all possible communication data, (overseas only), but was illegally weaponized and unleashed on the american people by brennan and clapper.

    It’s way too complex to explain so heres the link. I havent heard anyone talk about it or see it written about, just discovered this article the other day.

    Has anyone ever heard of this before? It’s a shocking read.


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    • fred5678 says:

      And check on “Echelon” on Wiki.

      This is the program that supposedly inspired Dan Brown to write his first novel — Digital Fortress

      Liked by 1 person

    • Jimmy Jack says:

      George Webb has talked about the Hammer program and I think Rand Paul has as well but an not positive on Paul. I am surprised it is not discussed more often. There are si many moving parts it is hard for people to keep up which is, I’d imagine, by design.


    • jx says:

      Could well be.


    • HellInAHandbasket says:

      Years ago, USofA defense contractors (illegally, but with a wink and a nod approval from the US govt), thoughtfully supplied by American giants like IBM, Honeywell and General Electric, sold/gave/provided China the technology and equipment for mass surveillance of its own people, and set the town of Shenzhen to surveil EVERYTHING and EVERYONE:
      By Naomi Klein – May 14th, 2008
      Published in Rolling Stone

      *Is there any wonder why President Trump despises China?


      • Kay Sadeeya says:

        Correct Mr. Handbasket, the Clintons, and probably continued with Bush. Clinton, I don’t think would have been elected without China. Welch of GE/NBC made/make billions. And China now has the capabilities, they didn’t have before, in nuke, technology and weapons. Isn’t our government swell?

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    • Ripper1960 says:

      The “HAMMER” was not only unleashed on the American public by Brennan and Clapper, it was and is actually being extensively utilized by the FBI against the unsuspecting American population, including but not limited to individuals that one may characterize as Confidential Human Source(s). In this case, the Domestic Investigations Operations Guide (DIOG), a classified document, authorizes the bureau via electronic monitoring, to maintain control and surveillance over the CHS, within set parameters to extend their intelligence gathering capabilities. With this in mind, one must take note of the FISA two hop rule and the proven propensity and willingness of the Bureau to utterly mislead the FISC to extend their reach. Then consider another aspect of its (the Hammer’s) usage is that outside contractors have had access to the quarrying of the extensive data base in custody of the NSA.

      It is not a stretch to understand that millions of Americans have been unlawfully surveilled as a result of such program(s) in conflict with our constitutional rights.

      My personal view is that this program and all like it should be shutdown, dismantled and legislatively be made unlawful for any future usage in this country; and, each and every American unlawfully spied on by the utilization of the program be made aware of such a breach of their constitutional rights. Put another way, the PATRIOT ACT should be repealed and/or gutted, especially sections 702-704.


  9. NJF says:

    Calling Sidney!!! Good catch SD.

    Liked by 1 person

  10. Boots says:

    So, the little fracking Van Grack lied to the IG. If this was Russia, Ukraine, Cuba, China, N Korea, or any other dictatorship, someone very skilled in inflicting pain would work Van Grack over real good. And if he was involved in a coup effort, he’d never be heard from again, blown to pieces by 20, 30, or even 40mm high explosive rounds.

    But here in America, he shrugs his shoulders, says he forgot, and no one’s man enough to break his jaw so he’ll have a reminder to never lie again. And no one in DOJ so far is man enough to charge the little b-st-rd and prosecute him for something.

    If these people aren’t punished – HARD, NOW – then when a Democrat is elected in 2024 they’ll accelerate their communization of America so fast you’ll throw up. At that time the only thing behind prayer that will save America is the hard, fast, effective, and unrelenting use of the Second Amendment in all it’s glorious Original Intent.

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    • James Groome says:

      IG flat out stated he had ZERO AUTHORITY OVER ATTORNEYS… no matter where they were… there was a CARVE OUT FOR ATTORNEYS.


    • Kay Sadeeya says:

      It speaks to the “too big to fail” philosophy brought to us by the Fed banksters of Jekyl Island and globalists from the Redshields. If one of “them” is in trouble, they get the bail-out, if one of “us” (Trump) we get run out on a rail.


  11. Beau Geste says:

    This is perhaps not relevant, so I apologize in advance if it isn’t.
    But whatever happened to the mewler indictment against the “russian company” that unexpectedly decided to show up in court and ask for records and discovery? Did they get any records? Where did mewler’s authority come from?

    Liked by 1 person

  12. Kokanee says:

    I’ll just get deleted anyway… but here it goes.

    Dan Bongino just reported that in the IG report, he said Page and Papadopoulos were under surveillance before joining the Trump campaign. Who were Page and Papadopoulos working for… Ben Carson.
    So how many campaigns were the DOJ/FBI doing surveillance against before/during the Trump campaign?

    Liked by 1 person

    • Kokanee says:

      and yes Sundance … GHIJ license class for CA AB60 DLs!


    • littleanniefannie says:

      All of them

      Liked by 1 person

    • jambo says:

      ““Thereafter, the Crossfire Hurricane team used more intrusive techniques, including CHSs to interact and consensually record multiple conversations with Page and Papadopoulos, both before and after they were working for the Trump campaign,”

      Th CH team, claimed to have been formed on July 31st 2016, used CHSs to interact with Page and Papadop prior to March 21st 2016. Nice DeLorean you got there.

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    • Yy4u says:

      MY guess is they were surveilling Carson, Trump, Cruz and Paul. No fear of Bush, Rubio or Kasich as they are part of the Uniparty Globalists

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    • TrumpPatriot says:

      I believe Cruz and Rubio? Cruz would make sense because he was a contender for a while. It is annoying that former FBI and DOJ seem incapable of just admitting these people were in it for Hillary and intended to take out any threats. She was protection for the swamp, and for the globalists, and more so for the Clinton “business” interests which included the DNC which she controlled.



      I heard that today as well. However, due to the amended IG report Sundance reported in another thread, while the amendment gave clarity to FISA renewal dates, it also contained this change:

      This report was originally issued on December 9, 2019. The report was updated on
      December 11, 2019, with the following changes (page references are to the public
      version of the report):
      • >>>>>On pages iv, xvi, 400, and 407, we changed the phrase “before and after” to
      “both during and after the time.” <<<<<<<In all instances, the phrase appears in
      connection to the time period during which we found that the Crossfire
      Hurricane team used Confidential Human Sources (CHSs) to interact and
      consensually record conversations with Page and Papadopoulos. The
      corrected information appearing in this updated report reflects the accurate
      information concerning these time periods that previously appeared, and still
      appears, on pages 305 and 313 (e.g., the statement on page 305 that “the
      Crossfire Hurricane team tasked CHSs to interact with Page and
      Papadopoulos both during the time Page and Papadopoulos were advisors to
      the Trump campaign, and after Page and Papadopoulos were no longer
      affiliated with the Trump campaign”).



  13. Super Elite Lt. Col. Covfefe999 says:

    I remember reading that Carter Page maintained contact with various people on the Trump team after he resigned from it (when the Yahoo News article was published). I was trying to find my sources again. All I have found so far was an article in which he said he talked to Steve Bannon in January 2017. With the two-hops rule in place, Steve Bannon was thus under surveillance and anyone Bannon spoke to was too. Because Bannon held a high position at that time, surely Trump’s communications were snagged. https://www.politico.com/story/2018/02/08/carter-page-steve-bannon-fbi-communications-398992

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    • Carrie says:

      Someone else said that technically Page was only “on leave” from the Trump campaign. Could that have also been enough to maintain the link through the renewals?


  14. California Joe says:

    SD! Maybe the FBI just used regular Title 3 phone warrants and search warrants instead of FISA warrants???? They are all equally easy to obtain especially when you lie a little!


    • Super Elite Lt. Col. Covfefe999 says:

      Isn’t Title 3 used for criminal investigations? That would have required more proof that Carter Page was probably doing criminal activity, right? It was easier and more secretive for the traitors to get the FISA warrant.


  15. Magabear says:

    Comey: “I’m vindicated”! 🙄

    Horowitz: “No your not”. 😄

    Liked by 1 person

    • Super Elite Lt. Col. Covfefe999 says:

      Remember when the libtards made such a big deal about Mueller saying he couldn’t exonerate Trump? They understood it to mean Trump was guilty of something. I wonder if they are applying their own logic to Horowitz-Comey. 🙂


  16. 1nikao says:

    I have a suspicion that Papadopoulos was targeted by CIA/Brennnen earlier than Crossfire Hurricane BECAUSE he had written an energy policy paper in Hebrew that offered an alternative EU energy supply that would have competed with the one designed by the Deep State (who started a war in Syria which killed 500,000 people).

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  17. pteronarcyid says:

    I suspect Barr cut a deal with the traitor Rosenstein — stay on to help summarize the Mueller Report in exchange for no prosecution. Hopefully, Barr got more than just this for taking Rosie off the hook.


    • California Joe says:

      That’s exactly what happened! Rosenstein is on double secret probation with Barr. Barr is playing his cards close to the chest. He’s not a lightweight!

      Liked by 1 person

  18. Pat Childs says:

    Carter Page was set up by Brennan who was aware of his travels and turned him over to FBI as a way to get rid of a Trump supporter in his ranks. This is the abysmal failure of this human being to rise to any level of human decency. He should be charged for that crime alone.


  19. TwoLaine says:

    VERY disappointing that CBS, ABC, NBC and FOX FREE local channels did not carry any of the hearing today. They ALL carried the Sh1t Show and the NumNuts Nadler Show in full.

    America deserves so much more from these a-h01es.


    • Ackman419 says:

      Makes it a lot easier to identify the enemy.
      “Hey, did you hear what Horowitz said about the FBI today?”
      “What? I was watching the impeachment hearing.”

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  20. DesertRain says:

    Hey CTH team…
    On June 27, 2016, DNI Clapper signed two CHS-related policy changes which address source coordination (inside and outside US). Timing is interesting… after FFG communication on PapaD received and before CH opened.

    See ICD 310 and 311. clapper signed both on Jun 27, 2016

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  21. California Joe says:

    I thought there were four FISA warrants because Rosenstein testified in Congress that even he signed one but didn’t read it and he wasn’t in that DOJ position until Sessions reclused????

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  22. Bob, Esq. says:

    Under what FISA Warrant did the FBI get the information masked in Footnote 8?

    Footnote 8 masked the identities of Glenn Simpson, Christopher Steele, Perkins Coie, and Donald Trump.

    “Masking” is a procedure … that provides additional privacy protection for FISA-acquired U.S. person information.”

    By masking the names of Simpson, Steele, Perkins Coie and Trump, the FBI/DOJ represented the information in Footnote 8 as “FISA-acquired Information”—i.e. acquired pursuant to electronic surveillance or a physical search under the FISA statute.

    FBI FISA Guidelines circa October 21, 2016: “[Masking] procedures do not apply to publicly available information concerning United States persons, nor do they apply to information that is acquired, retained, or disseminated with a United States person’s consent

    Under what FISA Warrant did the FBI get the information masked in Footnote 8?

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  23. Bob, Esq. says:

    Footnote 8 is incontrovertible (documentary) evidence of MALICE. It’s game over.

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  24. Bob, Esq. says:


    Hanlon’s razor states that one should “never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.”On the one hand, it’s a decent rule of thumb for preliminary analysis. On the other, its misuse is the mainstay of the ‘deep state’s existence.

    The most insidious of all frauds are those who usurp the signs of an implicitly trusted public office for the purpose of victimizing people under color of law. When deep state frauds usurp the signs of legitimate law enforcement, they not only hijack the powers entrusted to them, but the public’s trust in the office of which they have usurped the signs. This not only lends credence to their webs of deceit, but emboldens them as well.

    However, emboldened frauds eventually become brazen frauds, and brazen frauds inevitably get sloppy. Nowhere is this more evident than Footnote 8 of the Carter Page FISA Warrant application. Footnote 8 cuts Hanlon’s razor.

    ‘Cutting Hanlon’s razor’ means precluding all possible defenses of mistake, misunderstanding, stupidity and the like. It means cutting the ‘Russia collusion fraudsters’ off from all possible lines of retreat by demonstrating their actions were necessarily intentional and malicious.

    Without Hanlon’s razor, there’s no “sloppy and unprofessional” “procedural shortcomings” to preclude malice. Without Hanlon’s razor, there’s no absolving “the top ranks of abusing their powers out of bias against President Trump.” Without Hanlon’s razor, you have a “conspiracy by senior law enforcement officials against the Trump campaign to favor Democrat Hillary Clinton.”

    Masking Identities in Footnote 8

    “Masking” is a procedure … that provides additional privacy protection for FISA-acquired U.S. person information.”

    Footnote 8 masked the identities of Glenn Simpson, Christopher Steele, Perkins Coie, and Donald Trump.

    By masking the names of Simpson, Steele, Perkins Coie and Trump, the FBI/DOJ represented the information as “FISA-acquired Information”—i.e. acquired pursuant to electronic surveillance or a physical search under the FISA statute.

    The FBI FISA Guidelines circa October 21, 2016: “[Masking] procedures do not apply to publicly available information concerning United States persons, nor do they apply to information that is acquired, retained, or disseminated with a United States person’s consent.”

    James Baker: My understanding at the time was that Simpson was going around Washington giving [the Steele dossier] out to a lot of different people and trying to elevate its profile. And so we had heard that it had been given to members of the media….

    Not a single word within Footnote 8 required masking because the information literally walked in off the street unsolicited.

    In other words, the FBI/DOJ knew that masking procedures were completely unwarranted. And yet, while petitioning a secret court for the power of omniscience over a presidential campaign and ensuing presidency, “Mr. FISA himself” took great pains to “alert the Court” about a “range of issues” regarding Steele and Simpson’s credibility, and the provenance of the dossier—tracing back to Hillary Clinton and Fusion GPS—by making them clear as mud with circumlocutions rife with generic identifiers couched in passive voice.

    Furthermore, even if we assume Footnote 8 contained “FISA-acquired information” (which it categorically did not), the one person who had a “need to know” the identities/motives of the parties described therein “to perform their official duties” was the FISA Court judge. Thus, masking was not only uncalled for under 50 U.S.C. §1801(h)(2), but in direct conflict with the FBI/DOJ’s “heightened duty of candor.”

    Footnote 8 was meticulously designed to be followed; yet not understood. The use of “generic identifiers” exsanguinated any meaningful predicates from which a probable cause determination could possibly have been made; intentionally depriving the judge of ‘articulable specifics’ epistemically necessary to formulate an objective judgment about the facts before the court. The FBI/DOJ didn’t use generic identifiers to protect the privacy rights of Americans innocently picked up during FISA surveillance. They masked identities to conceal dispositive facts comprising the “totality of the circumstances” by which the credibility of Steele and Simpson should have been judged.

    Footnote 8 is incontrovertible (documentary) evidence of malice and “political bias.” Footnote 8 cuts Hanlon’s razor.

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    • WSB says:

      Prime evidence, if you ask me. Fake FISA?


      • Bob, Esq. says:

        I’d really like Sundance to check my math. Last time I tried to show him, he thought I was peddling Q conspiracy theories. I stumbled onto this completely by accident last March and I’ve been trying to refute it ever since. If I’m missing something huge, I want to know. I think everyone’s overlooking it simply because of the complex phrasing Baker used to turn away the eyes of skeptics..

        This is a fatal flaw. It’s not like any other piece of evidence in this entire hoax. But for malice and political bias, Footnote 8 does not exist.

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        • WRB says:

          I think it is obvious the footnote was meant to mislead the FISA court. But we also know the perps knew but did not include the fact that Carter Page had ties to the CIA. And the perps knew that the info in the dossier was not verified from the get-go (and by January 2017 knew it was pure hokum).

          I guess I am saying there is lots of evidence that the first FISA application was a fraud.


          • Bob, Esq. says:

            I know that; and I appreciate the reply. But that’s all circumstantial evidence–thus the reason the IG can skate away on the claim he couldn’t find any “direct testimonial (confession) or documentary” evidence for malice.


          • Bob, Esq. says:

            Footnote 8 is “but for” evidence of malice. Meaning, “but for” the malice of the FBI/DOJ in concealing their co-conspirators (consciousness of guilt), footnote 8 would not exist. IOW, There is absolutely no way to explain the existence of the masking in Footnote 8 without malice/political bias/treasonable conspiracy to affect the election and oust the legally elected president.


    • IGiveUp says:

      Nobody asked Horowitz about it and Horowitz ignored it as part of his “I know nothing” routine. Hopefully Barr/Durham will catch on.


  25. Kevin says:

    So can we request to our congress to designate today as Saint Comey day.
    He can do no wrong, he’s a Saint!


  26. Curt says:

    Many of the questions put to Horowitz begged for a Yes or No answer. Instead he was allowed to pontificate and dance around obvious nasty issues by some questioners. Ted Cruz was not one of them. He nailed it today! We should be happy. Lindsay Graham did a credible job also. Cruz’s comparing these FBI officials to ‘Bevis and Buthead’ was not only funny, but certainly hit home for those of us who were police officers in a previous life. The incredible misuse of police powers by the FBI hierarchy was obvious to us from the very beginning. They’re just dirty cops! I can’t help but beckon back to Judge Rosemary Collyer’s 90 page summation and direct reference to the FISA court being lied to. This thing is snowballing and hopefully it will pick up steam. I don’t like to digress, but it seems obvious to me that much of this was made possible by a feckless AG Sessions who completely abdicated his responsibilities. Sessions is the poster child for how weak officials are manipulated and used by others who he was appointed to supervise. Sessions was a disgusting disaster!


    • Magabear says:

      You’re so right about Sessions. And he was my favorite Senator prior to his abysmal tenure as AG.

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      • GTOGUY says:

        It goes back to my days as a LE. Some Deputies make great Deputies but lousy Sergeant’s. Jeff was out of his element at the DOJ. Trump gave it to him because he was loyal during the campaign, not because he had the skills that are required to lead an agency of 35,000 Cops. He should have never recused himself, or if he planned to, he should have told Trump and let Trump make the decision to keep him as AG or not.


  27. MikeN says:

    No FISA, but the target of the investigation was Trump.


  28. owtolunch says:

    I’ll bet there was a FISA on Butina…. that tainted people she interacted with… She actually asked Trump a question at Las Vegas Freedom Fest. Under 2 hop rule it opens up a whole bunch of people…. Strozk was managing the Overstock CEO Patrick Byrne who she was having a relationship with during this time… Butina was interacting with republican consultant Paul Erickson as well. Anyone she interacted with would be infected.


  29. GTOGUY says:

    Couple of things caught my attention at the hearing today. I watched most all of it (DVR). Horowitz said that he saw no documentation, emails or texts indicating a bias by the decision makers at the DOJ or FBI. Think back to the Peter Strzok public hearing when he was asked if he turned over his “personal emails” he said NO and the IG could not get them. So that leads me to ask the question that none of the Senators asked Horowitz. “Did you ask to see Comey’s Preistep, and others PERSONAL emails?. These top officials are probably smarter than the Strzok and Pages of the world and used a separate personal device to communicate their hate and bias against the President. Just my .02


  30. GTOGUY says:

    Now we find out that Comey has refused to have his security clearance re-instated. That is so he cannot be asked about “classified information” he had when he was planning the Coup.


  31. zekness says:

    just a simple question

    considering the very real probability that massive coordination takes place, DS across many levels both public and private would need access to the following:

    1. infrastruture, shares, encrypted, real time
    2. a planning, logistics, schedule “calendar”
    3. a de-centralized command and control director…

    These are both software and infrastructure requirements AND human resource questions.

    background: when organized 21st century cybercriminals operate in concert, there is a requirement to establish “common table”. Without it, reduces the power and impacts. Sometimes this is done with encrypted communications technology…data and site hosting is conducted on virtual platforms in “dark webs” (web’s that are not “listed” as domains per se, and thus the public does not “see” in the typical search dns records…example: I can create a “cloud” server for data with amazon AWS, fully encrypted that does not have a domain name! I can run it virtually to reflect zero space exists. I can do this in “containers” on multiple host servers around the world. All you need to KNOW is how to ftp into this special ip4 address..and often that is “dark”…and the encryption access methods are not typical and known ..think hardware encryption keys used for authentication…very very very hard to attribute in traffic..and nearly impossible to crack.. A thing only you know (the host server address), combined with a thing only you know (a specific method for accessing “user” interface (non-web page protocols), and a BILLION X BILLIONS things that you must physically possess (the hardware encryption key generator, that is time-based and a pseudo-one time pad)….

    you could reasonably perform this communication in real time on such a platform using modern smartphones that have been modified…

    let me just cut to the chase here…

    what you want to know..where you will find your answers…where you narrow your field of possibilities is to look at contracts for heavily modified smart phones developed by

    a. motorola
    b. google.

    these are NOT phones and devices that are advertised or sold in the public market..these are devices that are sold almost exclusively by security firms that have volume licenses that do business with specific branches of the US gov’t.

    there is a particular section at NIST that approves these devices and conducts tests for EACH set.

    These devices are NOT SOLD…they are ISSUED.

    start there.

    I just drop things.


  32. OldParatrooper says:

    Horowitz says “the only FISA we found” and most interpret that to mean the only FISA application, but I’m more cynical. I suspect he means the only FISA approved and implemented. I’m still curious what was the justification used to submit the failed June and July FISA warrant applications on Carter Page, Paul Manafort, LTG Flynn and George Papadopoulos.

    Anybody seen anything on that?


    • The key words here are “we found.” Horowitz’s powers are, by design, actually very limited. He can’t subpoena, can’t compel testimony, and basically can’t work outside of present Government employees at all. The true statement that “we found” only one … does not necessarily mean that there is “only one.” You must take the report and its statements very literally … face value, no depth. This is by design.


  33. shipley130 says:

    Well, well, well…reform the FISA process…after you democrats abused the hell out of it for your own crooked purposes.


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