Conflict Clarity – The Reason for Conflict Between Horowitz and Durham is Crystal Clear on Page 2…

U.S. Attorney John Durham issued a statement contradicting a key and consequential  conclusion of Inspector General Michael Horowitz, and reads in part:

…”last month we advised the Inspector General that we do not agree with some of the report’s conclusions as to predication and how the FBI case was opened.”

The reason for this conflict, and immediate rebuke by Durham, is stunningly clear on Page ii of the executive summary as highlighted below.  This is a very important element, and needs to be contemplated in its totality:

What inspector general Horowitz outlines in that key section is that: (A) he has reviewed everything, and talked to everyone (current and former) within the FBI; and (B) the ONLY evidence they FBI cited for the opening of Crossfire Hurricane is the singular conversation between George Papadopoulos and Australian Ambassador Alexander Downer and/or Downer’s asst. Erika Thompson.

That’s it.  Nothing else.

There is no other predicate evidence from the FBI investigative unit other than a singular conversation between Alexander Downer/Erika Thompson and George Papadopoulos.

Nothing before that July 26, 2016, contact by Australian High Commissioner Alexander Downer relaying a conversation with Downer on May 10th, 2016, is cited by the FBI as having anything to do with opening Crossfire Hurricane (started on July 31st).

That conversation between Downer and Papadopoulos was George Papadopoulos relaying a rumor he heard from Joseph Mifsud is the totality of evidence used to initiate Crossfire Hurricane.

This investigative predicate is where Durham and Horowitz have a conflict.  Horowitz says the predicate was justified, Durham says not-so-much.

So the totality of the variables to create a conflict is very small.  Papadopoulos, Downer and Mifsud.

Durham says: “last month we advised the Inspector General that we do not agree with some of the report’s conclusions as to predication and how the FBI case was opened“.  This is important because the difference between the inspector general and the U.S. attorney is that John Durham has interviewed Downer and Mifsud, and Horowitz has not.

Therefore for Durham to state the predication was not justified, has to come from his contact with Ambassador Downer or Joseph Mifsud.

However, stay with me, Alexander Downer is not really a variable in this dynamic. Assuming Downer is honest, and there’s nothing indicating inconsistency in the public comments he has made about this contact.  Downer had a conversation on May 10th, weeks later he relayed what he felt was his best interpretation of that conversation on July 26th. There’s not a lot of variable in that sequence.

The variable in this small group dynamic is Joseph Mifsud, and the only variable within the Papadopoulos-Mifsud interplay is the background and purpose of Mifsud.

Horowitz has eliminated all predicate variables on his end by stating all FBI witnesses and all FBI documents agree the Downer contact with the FBI initiated the investigation.  The only variable on the Durham end is…. yep, the background and purpose of Joseph Mifsud.

If Durham is disputing the validity of “predication and how the FBI case was opened”, then it’s the predicate behind Joseph Mifsud driving the dispute. This almost guarantees that Mifsud was *NOT* the Russian operative that current FBI and Intelligence Officials have stated he was or is.

From Page 56 of the IG report:

We also asked those FBI officials involved in the decision to open Crossfire Hurricane whether the FBI received any other information, such as from members of the USIC, that the FBI relied upon to predicate Crossfire Hurricane. All of them told us that there was no such information and that predication for the case was based solely on the FFG information.169

We also asked Comey and McCabe about then CIA Director John Brennan’s statements reported in several news articles that he provided to the FBI intelligence on Russian contacts with U.S. persons that predicated or prompted the opening of Crossfire Hurricane. Comney told us that while Brennan shared intelligence on the overarching efforts by the Russian government to interfere in the 2016 U.S. elections, Brennan did not provide any information that predicated or prompted the FBI to open Crossfire Hurricane.

McCabe said that he did not recall Brennan providing the FBI with information before the FBI’s decision to open an investigation about any U .S person potentially cooperating with Russia in the efforts to interfere with the 2016 U.S. elections. Priestap and the Intel Section Chief also told us that Brennan did not provide the FBI any intelligence that predicated the opening of Crossfire Hurricane. We did not find information in FBI or Department electronic communications, emails, or other documents, or through witness testimony, indicating otherwise. [Page 59 IG Report pdf]

Chapter 3 of the IG report clearly outlines a presumption by all FBI officials that Joseph Mifsud was acting on behalf of the Russian government.  Again, Horowitz eliminates more variables.

The only thing remaining is the conflict between Durham and Horowitz on this predicate issue; and eliminating all other possibilities for the strength of the disagreement expressed by Durham only one reasonable aspect remains to reconcile the disparity:

Joseph Mifsud wasn’t an FBI operative (not in the CHS database); but also Joseph Mifsud was not a Russian operative (hence predicate issue).

Someone else was running Mifsud on behalf of the background effort.

My hunch is CIA asset Stefan Halper was running/instructing Mifsud, thereby creating plausible deniability for the CIA and John Brennan.  Whoever it was, Durham knows.

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403 Responses to Conflict Clarity – The Reason for Conflict Between Horowitz and Durham is Crystal Clear on Page 2…

  1. TradeBait says:

    Two scales of justice continue…

    Waiting for the final answers, Bill and John.

    Liked by 6 people

    • JoeB says:

      Here’s the problem with THIS post from Sundance…

      We are being slowly, but surely convinced that it ALL COMES DOWN to ONE Interaction and ONE PERSON, and THAT PERSON has been MIA for God knows how long.

      Based on THAT PREICATE, IF Mifsud goes missing, THE WHOLE CASE goes with it!

      This was a counter “intelligence” operation against the Republican Candidate for President of the United States!!!

      I don’t care what the rules of engagement are for a “regular” FISA Appl, this ONE MUST HAVE BEEN TREATED WITH THE RESPECT IT DESERVED!

      Remember, FISA is FOREIGN, NOT Domestic and NOT on a Candidate for POTUS!


      Why is NO ONE talking about why THIS FISA APPL. SHOULD HAVE been treated differently???

      Liked by 13 people

      • zekness says:

        I recommend you read carefully the authority that are given within both the patriot act, and regulations, policies and KNOWN cointel operations wrt to domestic operations of national security threats investigated by means of the FISA.

        there not only exists the power to do so, but its clear it happened.

        in fact, given the audits that RADM rogers provided, its clear regardless of lawful fisa authorities..there IS a very high number of domestic spying going in..related and directly with or without the approval of anything that is clearly demarked in the patriot act…

        it would seem to me RADM Rogers could best answer that if he could ever be allowed to talk openly about it..even in closed session.

        here is my hunch: there are likely extra authorities not written in the public version of the patriot act that permit the CIA to operate..

        we call these black operations…

        the US has a storied history running those special programs.

        as snowden showed the world.

        we are on the outside…we can’t see how these are accomplished..but its clear it does happen.

        RADM stated official audits that PROVED it.


      • Amy2 says:

        But, but, Obama SAID it was by the book.

        Liked by 2 people

  2. Summer says:

    So, threesome PapaD+Mifsud+Downer (May 2016) = Crossfire Hurricane (July 31, 2016) but no FISA on PapaD. Is that right?

    By the way, anyone know when and how Crossfire Hurricane ended, exactly? Did it become a part of the Mueller Operation?

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  3. Bogeyfree says:

    Has Barr or Durham spoken with Assange yet?

    If not then IMO this is a total farce.

    Think about it.. A first hand witness on how Wikileaks got the DNC emails and possibly NO-ONE has talked to him and yet it is widely accepted as gospel via the Mueller Report that it was Russia that got and gave the emails to Wikileaks.

    Wouldn’t Assange be worth a face to face?

    One question, and one answer will tell EVERYONE all they need to know IMO.

    I’m calling BS on all of this!

    Liked by 20 people

    • Bailey Howe says:

      For some very strange reason Assange is still incarcerated. Sometimes I think he is the ” pin in the hand grenade” of sourcing material. and eventual outing of corruption .To me it appears he is some kind of insurance policy now having been sequestered by POTUS. et al.This is the conclusion I have arrived. Im going to presume Assange knows more than anyone esp with emsil corespondence of John Podesta and human trafficking. Assange knows a LOT about everything.
      These are only my opinions.

      Liked by 2 people

      • littleanniefannie says:

        And it would not be surprising that any day we will learn that Julian has committed suicide. About time to roll around to Seth Rich style.

        Liked by 2 people

      • By POTUS? An insurance policy? Why not just let him talk and sink the whole Dem charade? I’ve always assumed Barr had him locked up.

        Liked by 1 person

      • zekness says:

        british intel is leveraging a serious threat of extraditing him to the US…domestic laws be damned. He can be “adjusted” to make an official signed statement about sources under this pressure.

        and folks..that is all it takes.

        just a signature.

        assange is screwed.

        this entire thing has british IC dirty hands all over it.

        would not surprise me THEY hacked the DNC and gave it to assange.

        look at what the british journalist *guardian did to him by framing him for “releasing” encryption keys in a book he wrote ….

        those keys were NOT released to the public by assange..they were given to a select group of less than 4 journalists, so they could wok with each respective IC to curate the sensitive tradecraft that ASSANGE MADE CLEAR he was absolutely committed to redact himself in whole until the IC could perform a proper curation.

        and that release of that book by that journalist (LEE?) betrayed the trust assange had agreed to before it was released to that media group…guardian honored it…did the right thing..but the publisher decided to make his bones and sell some books…in one instant, two things happened:

        british intelligene had their fall guy, as well the US IC.
        the british IC and US IC just contracted a life long relatonship of leverage over just about every single journalist over the matter: see, look at this..we are not going to fault the JOURNALIST for releasing these protected keys…We will put that on assange.

        no surprise zero discipline was ever considered for the journalist.

        these are the facts I know.

        assange is screwed..he will never be trusted by the media, no matter what…he’s the kyrtonite. He is the last guy you want to give any attention to..

        but some of us still do.


        • jeff montanye says:

          it’s not that the media don’t trust him. it’s that he is vastly not useful to them and their propaganda for the likud mossad, the mic, and the banksters (some overlap there).


    • Sherri Young says:

      I called my congressman’s office last week and requested that he add Julian Assange to the list of witnesses the Republicans want to call. I’m pretty sure I spoke with a very young and new intern because he did not seem to know about whom I was speaking. I spelled the name, told him the gentleman was the founder of Wikileaks, and said he would be easy to find since he is in prison.

      Liked by 7 people

      • Paul Cohen says:

        “he did not seem to know about whom I was speaking. I spelled the name”

        It is mind-blowing that this can happen within a US Congressional staff, but across the general public I’ll bet there are vast numbers of people who do not catch many names or details that engross so many of us following this. I wonder what % of the voting public can give even a rudimentary outline of the major issues and actors here? Most people are limited to “Mueller good” or “Trump bad” kind of awareness, sad to say.

        Liked by 5 people

      • Linda K. says:

        Good thinking!


    • Orville R. Bacher says:

      Horowitz did his job. That job being, stall for time and obfuscate the details of the crime scene.
      “Looked at FBI, et al, documents (or lack thereof), and interviewed Deep Cesspool members”. And no one, gosh dang it, including the Piano Player, knew what was going on upstairs.
      What a farce.

      Liked by 11 people

    • mynameisasherlev says:

      Agreed. It blows my mind that they simply refuse to interview Assange.

      Liked by 3 people

      • mynameisasherlev says:

        A true forensic investigation looks at all the stories, facts, possibilities and then eliminates the ones that don’t stand up under scrutiny. Why not listen to them all.


      • swampfox999 says:

        Horowitz is an Obama appointed mini-man/cowardly bureaucrat/apparatchik who had no choice but to tell the truth re the overwhelming facts of FISA abuse. However, this habitual shooter of blanks, refuses to utter the logical conclusions where the facts lead. As a consequence of his petering out before climax, he provides cover for the deep state nomenklatura’s deceit and leaves Lady Justice unfulfilled.

        Liked by 4 people

      • Really? This is all staring us right in the face. Barr COULD interview Assange. He could bring it all down very quickly yet he doesn’t. And you still have faith in him, months and years later. Wake up. Barr isn’t exposing anything!

        Liked by 2 people

      • TarsTarkas says:

        Assange is not a US citizen. Don’t know under what authority they can make him testify.

        Liked by 1 person

    [Short story to date … with zero indications to the contrary]

    One way or another, if Demo☭rats consummate a SCAMpeachment, America will end in TYRANNY.

    • No future President can risk retaining ANYONE appointed to or promoted within the prior Administration’s FBI or DOJ … or Intelligence Community … or State Department … and possibly the Department of Defense.

    • No future President can trust the Records, Relationships, Advice, and even the Daily Briefings of participants from the Prior Administration.

    • Every future President must IMMEDIATELY INVESTIGATE-and-PURGE both the Congress and the prior Administration before they can collude to remove him.

    • America will never again have a passive transfer of power to a newly-elected Administration.

    How could it be OTHERWISE … with absolutely ZERO CONSEQUENCES?

    Liked by 13 people

    • Bogeyfree says:

      First we had…..

      License to Lie

      Now we have

      License to Destroy

      Liked by 1 person

    • mopar2016 says:

      Buraq Ozero consequences.
      The obama voters will never realize the damage that they’ve done to our country.

      Liked by 10 people

      [Try to name one that we’re missing]

      Tyranny of Culture [Hollywood, Entertainment & Glitterati]

      Tyranny of Media [M$M & Tech CABAL of Oligopolies]

      Tyranny of Classrooms [K-12, Colleges, Unions, Textbooks & Literature]

      Tyranny of Telecom [Cable-Phone-Wireless CABAL of Oligopolies with CIA & NSA]

      Tyranny of Institutions [Unaccountable-Kickback NGOs, Foundations, Lawfare Protectors]

      Tyranny of Bureaucrats [Union-Protected Permanent Local-State-Federal Regulators]

      Tyranny of Diplomats [Foreign-Aid & Money-Laundering Kickback Cabal]

      Tyranny of Congress [Bought Politicians, K-Street Lobbyists, USCOC Funders]

      Tyranny of Courts [Legislators-from-the-Bench usurping powers of President & Congress]

      Liked by 11 people

    • GenEarly says:

      Demoncrazy in ackton, just what the democRats want, assuming they will, like in Kalyforeignia, be the only power party.
      Elitist Estab Repubs, already denizens of the DC Swamp, will go along to get along.
      It will get Frisky AT, (after Trump). You do know what “Frisky” is don’t you, Comrade?


    • Redzone says:

      BKR- you are so right! How can it be otherwise? It has to be Day 1 cleanup before they have a chance to set the new Pres up for impeachment. Risk is too big not to act.

      I guarantee they never thought of that. Say goodbye to long term federal employees. This will be a great opportunity to shrink the size of government and get back to the basics. (A little wishful thinking.)

      Liked by 3 people

    • Dee says:

      That list is why we may end up in a civil war and they want it that way.

      Liked by 3 people

    • Zy says:

      You are absolutely right but Zit doesn’t matter because the Dems plan to transition to totalitarian Democommunism.

      Liked by 1 person

  5. wlbeattie says:

    I’m older than Andrew Downer and he’s an entitled family elitist who was thrust into our (Aussie) faces from the time he was first involved in politics at university!

    He’s a pompous snake and while he was Australian Foreign Minister he had Australia donate (at least) AUD$25M to the Clinton Foundation – tell me he’s not mixed up with the Clintons & the Chinese.

    He is/was on the board of (notorious) Huawei

    Liked by 21 people

    • AusLiz says:

      To think that that pompous snake was the start of all this anti Trump is cringe making for us true blue Aussies. Pres Trump has done so much for his country and I personally admire him and am not afraid to fly my colours here in AussieLand.
      Thank you wlbeattie for showing this snakes true colours.

      Liked by 11 people

    • glissmeister says:

      Much more to come. I suspect a large part of this will land at the feet of the ChiComs via exposure of the politicians bought and paid-for which they have nested around the globe.

      Who has the financial motive to remove Trump from office?

      How can American politicians otherwise win large sums of money, favor and influence from foreign actors?

      How do those engaged in The Great Criminal Enterprise gain their seat at the global table as a fellow ruling family in the emerging world order that necessarily must also reinstate a post-modern feudal society?

      What nations, ideas and political voices need to silenced to win the future for the emerging global supremacist movement and the utopia of experts it promises?

      Is the apparent sedition so far just the tip of the proverbial iceberg?


  6. 4gypsybreeze says:

    I agree with a fellow Treeper comments earlier. Just give it a few days, read the report. After a few days we will know more. My eyeballs needed a rest so this is the best place to unwind for awhile. I know that Sundance will point out information that we will miss when we are/were reading it. Thanks Sundance! I don’t know how all the pundits and “news” and –the sky is falling folks have read it all so fast! Joke.

    Liked by 3 people

    • amjean says:

      The only reason the sky is falling for some (many probably) is that the report
      is weak, covering up for the wrong doings or ignoring them altogether. So much
      so that the media spin is outrageous and between that and the IG report, gives
      cover to Comey himself to tweet that there is no “there”. Outrageous!

      Liked by 3 people

      • MAJA says:

        Look at their expressions while they talk about what a wonderful vindication the IG report is for them. Complete disconnect. Stone faced, glum. They know they’re done.

        Liked by 1 person

  7. GW says:

    So it sounds like these guys, in the Obama administration were actually quite brilliant ! They didn’t just haphazardly throw this plan together on a political whim, but rather, thought the whole thing through – covering ALL their tracks, liabilities and asses such that, even if completely revealed, there’s no legal/criminal culpability for them. Just bad publicity…….. Which they can count on their media allies to completely hide from the public.
    No justice……… No accountability………… So Sad………….

    Liked by 3 people

    • Yes, they’re very good at being dirtbags. It’s what they do.

      Liked by 1 person

    • amjean says:

      I have the same sinking feeling I had when Obama was elected the second time.


    • zekness says:

      BECAUSE the cia and its special interest cannot predict future liabilities, the aceS in the hole, has always been:

      a. the ability to develop as you go along the necessary complicity of the press to navigate around critical matters. this is where leaks are useful ..and depending on the nature of the political angle you create, it’s like feeding coins into a machine and always getting a pop…

      b. the ability to leverage compromised political officials. you allow and even encourage them to feed in the pigs trough..then not so subtly let them know, who they now work for.

      c. the ability to leverage top law enforcement (via witness plants and retroactive evidence or just outright cooperation that provides mutual advantages) so they can plausibly explain some mistakes were made, but no laws broken..we call this whitewashing. whitewashing is was the CIA and special interests do best. staged sham investigations…it ends the questions. the people move on…politics as usual..and the money continues to flow, protected and secured at least for another generation of thieves and reprobates in


  8. John says:

    It’s becoming obvious Halper was probably partially the source of both the Steele Dossier and Misfud mischief. Probably paid with our own tax money and whatever we borrow to fund this bullshit. Wonder if Halper got Clinton Foundation money through some intermediary as well.

    Did the taxpayers paid to subvert our own democracy? Starting to wonder how much of my paycheck might be going to CNN, NYT and Washington Post as well.

    No one from DC should ever be elected president again.

    Liked by 9 people

    • willthesuevi says:

      Maybe Halper got Clinton money but more likely went after Candidate/President Trump at the behest of the Bush family. Halper and the Bush’s go back to Bush Sr. running the CIA in the 70’s.

      My opinion.


    • Julian says:

      Honestly, not many are.

      D. Trump (NY)
      B. Obama (less than 4 years in DC)
      G. Bush Jnr. (Texas)
      B. Clinton (Arkansas)
      G. Bush Snr. (ok, been there for awhile)
      R. Reagan (California)

      Before that is before my time, but rarely is someone from DC elected President.


  9. rcogburn says:

    I doubt that SD thinks for one second that Downer is “honest,” anymore than the rest of us do. But the FBI small group could and did. They received his FFG information and deemed it so honest and so important that it, “was relied upon to predicate” the investigation,” which could then proceed “by the book.” It’s the cornerstone of their their we-were-just-doing-our-jobs defense, and Comey’s sanctimonious b.s. tweets about protecting America.

    Horowitz is able to accept the “honesty” of the FBI agents who accepted the “honesty” of Downer’s FFG information. This allows Horowitz to declare they went “by the book” to begin the investigation (those pesky mistakes were only made much later).

    The bigger point is that the entire “by the book” defense outlined in Lynch’s CYA memo, to be used by the ENTIRE GANG, is apparently constructed entirely off of one thing. The FBI used ONLY this FFG information to predicate the investigation. All they required was the call from Downer, relaying his conversation with Papad, stemming from Papad’s conversation with Mifsud, as facilitated by Halper. They accepted it as true and actionable. They had nothing else.

    For the coup plotters, this places extraordinary pressure on Mifsud/Halper/Downer to be “honest,” to not be a set up, for Mifsud to be working for the Russians as Mueller asserted, rather than for Italian Intel or Halper or some other go-between with Brennan calling the shots.

    If Mifsud/Halper/Downer is proven demonstrably false, the entire predicate is blown. The coup plotters have NOTHING ELSE to fall back on – no other predicates for their predicate. “By the book” goes out the window.

    With the predicate so small and specific (and already well documented) we can start a process of elimination to zero in on what Durham’s “disagreements” might be.

    Liked by 6 people

    • Redzone says:

      There’s more to the story than just Halper. England is also involved somehow. Mifsud’s phones were from England. Almost all the foreign players were members or associates of Hakluyt. No way is this as simple as assigning the whodunnit to Halper or he would be hanging out with Epstein.

      Liked by 3 people

      • MAJA says:

        A comment above got me to thinking about assange, epstein, mi6, and the UKs role in this. Assange must have had all the child sex trafficking evidence by the clinton/ Epstein group, which andrew is a part of. Would their intel get involved to protect the crown from PDJT’s existential threat to the status quo? It’s interesting that assage ends up there.


  10. Merkin Muffley says:

    But who was running Mifsud? Italy? MI6? And at who’s request?


  11. rjones99 says:

    This report might be intentionally masking what Horowitz, Durham and others know to forestall talking perp point coordination while at the same time pinning them down with sworn testimony.

    Having said that, the degree to which the report goes to avoid concluding the obvious, and coupled with Wray’s correction action farce, is simultaneously infuriating and astounding.

    If Trump knows what is actually going down and he doesn’t force Barr to immediately fire both Wray and Horowitz, I still have hope a reckoning.

    I have to say, though, after waiting three long years just to be given this is so heartbreaking and humiliating that I can hardly stand it. I don’t want to give up on Trump or my country but I’m unable to adequately express my sadness, my anger, and my sense of betrayal.

    Liked by 6 people

    • digleigh says:

      I am more upbeat…After reading tracy beanz and paul sperry ,parts of ig report, and patrick howley,and watching Cash Patel on Fox ( disputing Fiona Hill bs, watching Trumps reaction, watching Ratcliffe, Sidney Powell, and then being pleased that Barr and Durham came out so strongly today without hesitation or pc language….Of course we will see where’s the beef…. All lefty media already had the talking points probably from lawfare…Just read Comey’s tweet…I ignored the liars because they were part of the conspiring to smear Trump and his staff for years…They are not worthy of our notice…The ” create a crisis”, dramakings, the sky is falling folks are just flat out crazy….Doctoring evidence, hiding esculpatory evidence and tons of bad behavior…among many others…

      Liked by 3 people

      • Redzone says:

        I too saw Kash Patel, Nunes’ former assistant, on Fox News. He needs to return Adam Schiff’s bulging blinky eyes ASAP. Good news is that at least he’s on the correct team.


    • GenEarly says:

      At least the Deep State is not billing your family for the bullets that were used to shoot you down like is going on in Iran currently.
      But given time, and more fluff reports, no prosecutions, and rigged elections the democRats plan to take us there.
      I am declining their offers and their billing, I have some of my own counter offers.

      Liked by 2 people

    • Linda K. says:

      Maybe Durham will give us some indictments for Christmas. And perp walks, with helicopters. swat teams, and Conan dogs.

      Liked by 2 people

    • That’s exactly why my name is donttrustbarr. lol Barr trusts Wray and Wray is NOT to be trusted.

      Liked by 2 people

  12. MLK says:

    I agree. Though this sentence (that is in the except you opened this post with) needs explaining:

    “Although not mentioned in the EC, at the time, FBI officials involved in opening the investigation had reason to believe that Russia may have been connected to the Wikileaks disclosures that occurred earlier in July 2016, and were aware of information regarding Russia’s efforts to interfere with the 2016 U.S. elections.”

    It’s rather interesting, and not mere happenstance that that immediately precedes rather than follows this:

    “There officials, though, did not become aware of Steele’s election reporting until weeks later and we therefore determined that Steele’s reports played no role in the Crossfire Hurricane opening.”


  13. youme says:

    The FBI Informant Who Monitored the Trump Campaign, Stefan Halper, Oversaw a CIA Spying Operation in the 1980 Presidential Election

    Liked by 2 people

  14. Sherri Young says:

    I went to Margot Cleveland’s twitter timeline to find this excellent article of hers and — voila — she had reposted it for us.

    Horowitz posted the Confidential Human Source report as a carve-out from today’s big report. Maybe he wanted up to digest that report before taking on this one.

    Liked by 3 people

  15. 4220ma says:

    Who did Downer talk to at the FBI?


  16. 6x47 says:

    Sooo … the IG was forced to simply accept, at face value, the FBI story about “Russia-Russia-Russia?”

    Sounds like a bunch of FBI and former FBI guys are looking at perjury charge for lying to the IG.

    Liked by 1 person

    • Redzone says:

      6×47- I remember seeing that Barr/Durham was investigating that original IC report where supposedly all 17 agencies agreed Russia interfered.

      Hopefully- that minor nuance upon which all things Russia is based will be blown out of the water. It should be very easy to do.


    • Linda K. says:

      Brennan lied to Congress directly about the Steele Report. Can you say Roger Stone, John? Because what you lied about is more relevant than what Stone did.

      Liked by 1 person

  17. saywhat64 says:

    Some one setup an entrapment scheme on PapaD in an attempt to get him to make a statement regarding how a Russian colleague of his had the DNC hacked emails. It’s as simple as that. Now, can Durham prove that with all the granular details in a court of law? It all comes down to the EC of which continues to be hidden within the classification game.

    Liked by 1 person

    • Redzone says:

      Barr can declassify anything.

      Liked by 1 person

    • Linda K. says:

      Mifsud’s phones are key.

      Liked by 1 person

      • zekness says:

        geo-locating key connects requires upstream to connect the dots and gather solid intel.

        how does barr get that query from NSA if we presume the CIA and british intelligence can’t simply have already or retroactively recreated records?

        remember this is data that has already been collected, stored, and quite a bit of time for CIA and NSA and special interests to give some thought about what kind of liabilities to the op is related to that data.

        I’m playing bad guy here..intelligently..this data is either changed whole cloth and we never hear from milsfud again..or the data was corrupted from some kind of hardware failure disallowing recovery..

        or..the CIA can simply go with: this information is if such sensitivity for an ongoing covert operation that it must be protected…to be declassified in 2145 or something like that.

        it’s happened before

        the scale and scope and consequence of this coup attempt indicates to me that nothing is off the table to protect the IC here.

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      • California Joe says:

        Yes, and Barr and Durham have both phones!


    • deplorable says:

      That’s a different entrapment scheme than the one I’ve heard of, where the Mueller investigation (or FBI??) tried to setup PapaD by having him carry marked bills worth $10,000 from Europe into USA – but to their dismay PapaD smartly left the suspicious money in Europe?


      • jebg46 says:

        Yes, they wanted to shut Papadopoulos up for a very long time, like they have gagged Stone and Manafort. Fortunately Pap smartened up before it was too late.


  18. Rowdyone says:

    To my knowledge no one has ever been able to answer a fundamental question: why wasn’t the Trump campaign advised by the FBI that individuals within the campaign were under investigation for collusion with a foreign power as was the case with Sen. Feinstein? We know what has become of the Trump investigation but nothing has emerged from la affair Diane.

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  19. Paul Gallant says:

    “Stefan Halper’s name came up in the 1983/4 investigations into the Debategate affair, which was a spying scandal in which Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) officials passed classified information about Carter administration’s foreign policy to Reagan campaign officials in order to ensure the Reagan campaign knew of any foreign policy decisions that Carter was considering (Iran hostage crisis). Reagan Administration officials cited by The New York Times described Halper as “the person in charge” of the operation. Halper called the report “just absolutely untrue”.
    In 1983, United Press International (UPI) suggested that Halper’s handler for this operation was Reagan’s Vice Presidential candidate, ex-CIA-Director George H. W. Bush.

    James Comey told us Mifsud was a “Russian agent” and Robert Mueller assured us in his report that Mifsud had “connections to Russia.” But this is the same Mueller who avowed under oath he had never heard of the constantly discussed (for over two years ad infinitum on cable news) Fusion GPS, the same Mueller who informed us that Russians were working to get Trump elected when the Russians were the ones who were the putative source for the Steele dossier that did nothing but smear Trump. Try to reconcile that one.

    Mifsud was also connected to British intelligence, and could have been acting on behalf of the Obama administration. This report, if it is correct, is a blockbuster:
    So Barr, in the company of John Durham, his lead investigator on these matters, was in Rome talking with several people high up in Italian intelligence. They are supposed to have played for him a tape recording Mifsud left before he disappeared.

    If it turns out the professor was a U.S. agent or one allied to the U.S., planted to suck in the naive Papadopoulos, to make him run back to the mothership and blabber about something that wasn’t true in order to hang Trump, it is one of the greatest and most evil stories of our times.
    Why did Mifsud disappear? Where did he go? And who does he think may want to kill him?”

    Liked by 2 people

  20. Chewbarkah says:

    “FBI officials who opened the investigation had reason to believe that Russia may have been connected to the Wikileaks disclosures that occurred earlier in July 2016…”

    What does Horowitz cite as the FBI officials’ “reason to believe”? The FBI did not independently examine the DNC’s server (because the DNC denied permission, which should have been suspicious). Absent some new revelation, the basis for this “belief” was the DNC’s contractor, Crowdstrike. Their reason to believe is essentially because Hillary directed them to. No bias there.

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  21. I feel like it’s dejavu all over again. For 3 years all we heard the friggin lie that it was the meeting between downer and poppa D started it all. Now we have IG Horowitz adding his voice to say the same thing. I could repeat all this stuff in my sleep at this point. Thank the Lord above for Durham. Mifsud is the key and Halper is too.! I will never hold my breath now that we are in this unholy war with the deep state. I pray for all those folks who are in the trenches clawing and fighting to set things straight and expose all those schemers, coluders,liars, haters, and holier than thou-ers.

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    Chief Justice Roberts must RECUSE himself from presiding over a Senate Impeachment Trial, because he has a Conflict of Interest in a proceeding to remove a President whose Justice Department must investigate his OVERSIGHT FAILURE of FISA-Court CORRUPTION… or COMPLICITY in the COUP … that would warrant IMPEACHING the Chief Justice himself.

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  23. The Boss says:

    IIRC, Barr and Durham came back from Italy a few months ago with two more cell phones than when they left. You wonder if the content of those cell phones is behind the rather blunt language of Durham’s press release, and the more vanilla wording of Barr’s.

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  24. Mac45 says:

    Although the predicate debate for opening Crossfire Hurricane is interesting, it is largely irrelevant to the obtaining of a FISA warrant to surveil the Trump campaign. If the FBI relied entirely upon the vague EC from Brennan concerning a possibility that the Russian government may have been engaged in influencing the 2016 election for the benefit of the Trump Campaign, then a reasonable predicate existed for opening Crossfire hurricane. However, the biggest problem with the FBI investigation is that it ended up targeting a former FBI asset, Carter Page, as the predicate for the FISA warrant used to surveil the Trump Campaign, by identifying him as a foreign agent. Something that they knew, or should have known, to be totally untrue. They burned their own source to gain a warrant. This was a fraud perpetrated against the COURT. And, the vast majority of the report clearly outlines that this. Yet, only one low level lawyer has been referred for disciplinary action. The rest of the people involved were all exonerated by the use of the “incompetent boob” defense, whether applicable or not.

    Liked by 3 people

  25. John Lott says:

    The fact that Durham, (who’s very low key and tight lipped), would come out and make a public statement openly disputing Horowitz is quite significant. Some people should be very nervous!

    Liked by 4 people

    • L4grasshopper says:

      Neither Durham nor Barr’s short statements today were off the cuff. They were likely written weeks ago when it became clear to them that Horowitz was going to avoid stating the obvious that political motivation was behind all of the fraud by the FBI on the FISA Court.

      Liked by 2 people

    • GB Bari says:

      Statements are “comforting” but words get little accomplished.

      Patiently waiting for actions.

      Liked by 2 people

  26. Bogeyfree says:

    Hey Rudy,

    If you read CTH, why don’t you and the reporter from OANN hop on a plane and go to London and interview on camera Jullian Assange.

    I figure someone has to.

    After all, we are ALL after the truth, right?

    Liked by 9 people

    • Linda K. says:

      Good idea.


    • William the Comptroller says:

      Heck… while they are at it, can they swing by Strzok’s home to interview his jilted wife Melissa H.???Unlike every prior major adultery scandal in the last 30 years, it seemed odd that no “journalist” ever wanted to get the hot scoop de poop from her. Gen. Petraeus’s wife was interviewed within 24 hours of that scandal breaking. If it wasn’t for Melissa stealing Mr. Counter-Intel Stud’s cellphone, nobody would have discovered the Loverbird texts!!! (You know they sent photographs of their nether-regions to each other at some point…especially with their 284 texts per day stamina).

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  27. hawkins6 says:

    Ryan Fournier‏
    Verified account

    In case you didn’t know, Michael Horowitz is the same guy who exonerated Hillary Clinton.

    After she smashed her cell phones

    After she deleted 33,000 emails

    After she cleared her hard drive with BleachBit

    Of course his report says there was ‘no bias.’


    2:03 PM – 9 Dec 2019

    (From Sidney Powell’s twitter site)

    Liked by 8 people

  28. ann says:

    JD & Bureau command flat out lied about Trump & Russia.

    They are putting our country through hell and have partially blocked the transfer of power.

    We have texts proving they release myths, like toxic viruses, with malicious glee

    In the last ten years JD & Bureau consistently fail ,numerous times, to perform their duty yet
    they still have a monopoly on our most critical functions. Why?

    Unfit Guardians of our intell & surveillance capability,
    No discernible counterintell.
    3 Massive Failures to detect, halt, and protect us from corrupted hi status actors & groups. No PUNISHMENT , de facto immunity for Feinstein’s staffer, numerous participants in Clinton Inc’s security breach, and DWS’s House/ Paki operation.

    Failing regimes & antiquated policies: progressive socialism, economic free for alls like open borders, free trade, triangulate w China, Marshall Plan

    And of course, Punish Russia , DC’s scapegoat , as JD embarrassingly nullified Hillary’s grossly negligent data breach,
    Also, ignore the obvious: numerous entities, inc NSA possess her stuff

    Our vainglorious President in Waiting jetted about the world, in her wake a disasterous
    trail of platitudes, shady hookups, and top secret data .. hahahahohoho hahaha.

    To top off Bureau’s tip top performance, we get Resist as their treat. Can you imagine the reaction of International community to their ongoing spectacle?
    I don’t appreciate broadcasting how weakened our institutions. are decades of unchecked corruption.

    Past & present AAGs, DSI, prosecutors (Lieu?) own this wreckage . You guys, at DoJ duty is to stop this crap. That’s WHY you hold authority, There is no license to RULE over us.

    Prosectors & Judges need to take a sabbatical and sort that out,

    Plus, they owe us: Right now is a perfect time to begin dialogue. Meetings & forums for dialogue with citizens . FISC . And revisit the decision of routing cases thru DC, SDNY, & NV.

    IMO, this JD pernicious monopoly over federal crimes & counterintell has morphed into a predator whose citizens are prey .

    Liked by 2 people

  29. Super Elite Lt. Col. Covfefe999 says:

    I think Sundance’s logic is totally solid here. I only differ in my guess of the person who directed Mifsud to plant info on Papadopoulos. I say it’s Brennan/CIA.

    Liked by 3 people

  30. Right to reply says:

    Will Brennan give up Obama and Jarret? This is a game they have played before.

    Liked by 2 people

  31. saywhat64 says:

    The CYA “by the book” rationale all depends on the validity of the EC.

    Who wrote the EC (I thought it was Brennan) and more importantly are they legally liable for its validity?

    Any lurking lawyers out there that know the laws that govern Intelligence Agency and their actions?

    I’m afraid that when you enter the realm of the spooks, anything goes…Then they hand it off to the FBI who can then claim they were just doing their jobs.

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  32. William the Comptroller says:

    Another side issue that has to looked at is why was the operation called “Crossfire Hurricane”? I doubt it was randomly generated (e.g. Abel Danger) like protocol now dictates but probably chosen by a Stones-lover “Boomer” who wanted to act cool like Hillary or Brennan or a Small-Richard-Syndrome man such as Strzok. Or even Biden (…..hence the trying-hard-to-be-cool “Man” he peppers his ramblings with). Hillary is such a Square that my money is on her being the namer. (I also can imagine the secret meeting scene where she all proud of her cleverness and everyone else rolls their eyes to humor the gun & monotonic harridan). Any thoughts from fellow CTH arboleans?


  33. zekness says:

    am I reading this correctly…?

    that clinesmith made the edit to possibly accomplish two things:

    a. to further renew the fisa ….check I don’t think there is any argument on that matter, but why?
    the why could possibly be this:
    b. to provide an insulated CIA cover that the predicate should it be examined could be argued as a carter page super james bond type that the CIA has been using well before the papaD assertion by the FB cointel op. Think of this as two separate lines, each one providing both the FISA approval and also a backup predicate for keeping both lines of ops alive. What this accomplishes is a strategic “insurance” … Think of this sort of a “hands off, this is highest level CIA covert ops to spy actively with all russian contacts domestic or foreign”. unrelated to PapaD, because it involves a higher level CIA op for general purpose russian cointel ops. .if so, this might explain why DOJ OIG looked at it, dinged clinesmith for the foul, but then only claimed in the report the predicate exists only at papaD..and never mentions much about what to really say about carter page going back some years before any of this.

    just throwing it out there.


  34. Papoose says:

    Its quite apparent that Horowitz is party to the orchestrated Coup d’Etat and is a foot soldier in the endeavor to overthrow a Presidential election and a duly elected President in the 21st Century.

    The Democrat Congress should have spent as much time on Article 2 Section 1 Clause 5 of the Constitution and the Framer’s intent in putting it at the very beginning of the Constitution.

    Article 2, Section 1, Clause 5. No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.


  35. fangdog says:

    It doesn’t matter if you are a Democrat or a Republican, we the citizens of this Country have been ripped-off at least the past 40-years by politicians and bureaucrats. There is only one solution and it is Trump…….not really rocket-science, just commonsense for everyone.

    Liked by 2 people

  36. beach lover says:

    Wray needs to be fired…tomorrow.

    Liked by 1 person

  37. Johnny says:

    It took Horowitz 2 years to write a report that the FBI started the investigation of President Trump, because a low level flunkie got drunk while looking at a set of Breasts from Down Under and made a flippant remark.

    Nothing Else?


    • California Joe says:

      Yes, and meanwhile Hunter Biden returns from China on Air Force One with the Vice President of the United States and a check for $1.5 billion given to him by the same government which is orchestrating the firing of ICBM missiles over Japan at Hawaii …. and the FBI does NOTHING?


  38. Mr e-man says:

    There was a real predicate in Crossfire Hurricane.

    President Trump said that the Russians should turn over Hillarys emails. CNN told the FBI so the FBI used it as a valid predicate for opening a full scale clandestine counterintelligence operation against a Presidential campaign.

    Because you know, anytime someone hears something and reports it to the FBI, it is enough to open a valid full blown clandestine investigation of political campaigns by the opposition party in charge per the FBI and Horowitz.

    You would think maybe they would just ask ol Georgie P about it.

    It doesn’t pass the smell test but something does stink. And Horowitz doesn’t think so? Mmm.


  39. While I find Sundial’s premises to be interesting, I think that we should also acknowledge that Durham might well know things that none of us do.

    And, if he does, then of course we won’t know one damned thing about it. 😀 (Nor should we expect or ask to … he’s a professional.)


  40. taxpayer here says:

    My patience is wearing thin! I feel like that spoiled girl on Willie Wonka and the Chocolate Factory. What do I want..justice. when do I want it? I Want It Now!


  41. Doug Amos says:

    All the water has been carried by the media. They are going to say Horowitz found 0; everything else will be of no consequence.


    • Guffman says:

      Horowitz is the clean-up man for the democrats/deep state. There to stall, obfuscate, and say ‘there was no intent’. His report, according to what I’m reading seems to say, ‘I talked to all the people involved and they said they did nothing wrong, so that’s good enough for me’.

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  42. Terra Rayner says:

    Sounds like a good reason for Brennan to be so quiet lately!!! Unusually quiet for such a mouthpiece!


  43. trapper says:

    So, Downer tells the FBI, that a guy told him, that another guy told HIM, that ANOTHER guy knew something about Hillary. And Horowitz can’t look at anything earlier than that because THAT’S not in the FBI files and he can only look at FBI files. SO, the only thing Horowitz is interested in is this: in accordance with internal DOJ/FBI policy, was that fourth hand hearsay enough to get a two-hop FISA warrant on an American citizen and turn him into a walking microphone inside a presidential campaign? And Horowitz determine’s “yup.” Ponder THAT. Let THAT sink in a minute. WHAT Fourth Amendment?

    Getting back to it, not FBI’s finest moments. Someone (leave “who” an open question for now) runs an agent at Papa to plant a Russian unicorn story, that Papa repeats to Downer, who repeats it to the FBI, and off the FBI goes on a Russian unicorn hunt. And Comey and others still believe in the unicorn, because they have to, because to admit there isn’t one means you have to also admit a whole bunch of other things you would rather not face.

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  44. ChampagneReady says:

    The FISA warrant was DENIED by the FISC when it was first submitted. Why was it denied? Then all of a sudden it is granted when resubmitted. What changed? Steele’s 35 pages of lies was crafted, fabricated, copy and pasted from CNN articles and coordinated with Trump-hater reporters to boomerang it back as “magical” coordination of the pure garbage, That’s what changed.

    Nothing vindicates the fact that the FBI — FIRED — Steele for violating policy but yet used him as the star-in-chief for the phony, doctored probable cause FISA affidavit.

    To sanitize that fact alone is an outrage that it was watered down to mere “mishandling.” It makes me livid and I hope Horowitz gets twisted up by our Judiciary Committee pit bulls on Wednesday to the point where he looks worse than Muller did in his 8-hour day of grilling.

    And to conclude the absurdity that only the mere conversation in the bar with Downer and his spy assistant was the “basis” for the 2 years of the 35 million dollar hoax is as absurd as picking up a handful of sand on the beach and saying that comprises the contents of the entire beach !

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  45. mptc says:

    To rain on everyone’s parade here…the Horowitz report was a given. It basically exonerates the intelligence agencies. Why would be otherwise. He works with the same people he is investigating. He is a registered democrat. His wife worked on the Obama campaign.

    Now you have Barr (who was appointed by Trump) appointing John Durham to investigate some of the very same things Horowitz was investigating. He will find what Horowitz did not (or refused to see); blatant corruption, and criminal behavior.

    So when both the reports are released, it becomes a political pissing contest. Both sides will argue and debate ad infinitum until Trump is either defeated in 2020 (not likely) or until he is out of office (2024). The people wii tire of it and then magically it fades. No one goes to jail. They will justify it by saying the principal players were fired. Five years from now McCabe will still be working for CNN;
    Hillary will still be thinking about running again for President; Brennan will still have a scowl; James Clapper will still have a rubber face and Obama will be writing his memoirs from Martha’s Vinyard.


  46. Joemama says:

    Former C_A director Brennan is a communist muslim. His goal was/is the destruction of the capitalist system and constitution of the USA.

    Misfud was working for Brennan.

    It really is that simple.

    Liked by 1 person

  47. Republicanvet91 says:

    “last month we advised the Inspector General”

    Given he has said his report was done over a year ago…clearly the IG didn’t want to add any new wrinkles to his tidy little report.


  48. Dim Osmab says:

    So they recieve tip about PapaD, and open case on 4 people, including Flynn?


  49. Papadopoulos has been saying all along that the CIA was running Mifsud. Seems to fit.


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