A Seditious Conspiracy – Lt. Col. Vindman, CIA “Whistleblower” Source #1, Shaped False Summary of April Trump-Zelensky Phone Call…

Amid increased calls from House Republicans to force the testimony of the CIA “whistleblower”, today the Washington Post, the primary outlet for CIA misinformation and public relations, began shaping the “whistle-blower” as a hero.

Because the overall effort involves multiple parts of the deep state apparatus, to see through the construction it is important to note which media outlet holds equity for agency talking points within the coup.  The Washington Post is primary PR for the CIA and IC writ large. The New York Times is primary PR for the FBI; and CNN is primary PR for the State Dept.  This pattern has been consistent throughout.

Over time it has become clear the first confidential human source for the CIA Ukraine dossier, written by CIA analyst Eric Ciaramella and also known as the “Whistleblower report”, is Lieutenant Colonel Alexander Vindman a Ukraine expert inside the National Security Council on assignment from the Dept of Defense intelligence unit.

Within his deposition the ideology of Lt. Col Vindman is clear. Vindman’s mission focus was/is to shape U.S. policy toward Ukraine (and by extension NATO) regardless of the actual policy view of President Trump.  Within his deposition Vindman admitted to giving countermanding instructions to his Ukraine counterpart two weeks after understanding opposite policy objectives from his commander-in-chief.

During his deposition Lt Col Vindman also admitted -with considerable angst and attempts to deflect from his legal advisors provided by the Dept. of Defense- that he was intentionally usurping the chain of command in an effort to follow his own ideological agenda; and perhaps that of his DoD leadership.

By itself that level of admitted and direct insubordination should be alarming for many reasons; not the least of which is his lineage within the U.S. Military.  Indeed Vindman’s intent and purpose explains why he appeared for his deposition in full military uniform.

When we consider that Lt. Col. Vindman was carrying out what he believed to be his role; and when you overlay his military purpose; and when we accept Vindman was assisting CIA agent Eric Ciaramella in constructing his dossier to remove President Trump; and when we stand back and look at the aggregate interests involved; and when we consider there was ZERO push-back from the ranks of military leadership, specifically the Joint Chiefs of Staff; and when you accept Vindman was simply allowed to return to his post inside the White House – where he remains today; well, the alarming aspect increases in direct proportion to the definition of the word: “coup”.

I would encourage all readers to think long and hard those factual data-points.

CIA Agent Eric Ciaramella never delivered his dossier briefing to the upward chain-of-command within the CIA.  Instead Ciaramella subverted the formal process and transmitted his hearsay complaint, derived from material provided by Vindman, directly to principal officials who could assist in the removal of the President.  Again, often we get caught in the weeds, but think long-and-hard about this impeachment process as it is being discovered.

Yesterday President Trump released the call transcript from an April 21st conversation with Ukraine President Zelensky.  Reporters noted there was a disconnect between the call transcript and a separate summary of the call sent to reporters in April.

[…]  In response to questions from reporters, the White House said in a Friday statement that “the NSC’s Ukraine expert” prepared the April summary.

“The president continues to push for transparency in light of these baseless accusations and has taken the unprecedented steps to release the transcripts of both phone calls with President Zelensky so that every American can see he did nothing wrong. It is standard operating procedure for the National Security Council to provide readouts of the president’s phone calls with foreign leaders,” deputy White House press secretary Hogan Gidley said. “This one was prepared by the NSC’s Ukraine expert,” he added. (link)

That “NSC Ukraine expert” was Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman.

For emphasis let me repeat a current fact that is being entirely overlooked.  Despite his admitted usurpation of President Trump policy, Vindman was sent back to his post in the NSC with the full support of the United States Department of Defense.

The onus of action to remove Vindman from the NSC does not just lay simply at the feet of the White House and National Security advisor Robert O’Brien; and upon whose action the removal of Vindman could be positioned as political; the necessary, albeit difficult or perhaps challenging, obligation to remove Lt. Col Vindman also resides purposefully with the Dept. of Defense.

The Pentagon could easily withdraw Vindman from his position at the National Security Council; yet, it does not…. and it has not.   WHY?

There is a code within the military whereby you never put your leadership into a position of compromise; ie. “never compromise your leadership”.  In this example, President Trump cannot remove Vindman from the White House NSC advisory group due to political ramifications and appearances… The Joint Chiefs certainly recognize this issue; it is the very type of compromise they are trained to remove.  Yet they do nothing to remove the compromise.  They do nothing to assist.

Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman was the majority (#1) source for the material CIA operative Eric Ciaramella used in a collaborative effort to remove President Trump from office.  Let me make this implication crystal clear:

The United States Military is collaborating with the CIA to remove a U.S. President from office.

Do you see the issue now?

The Pentagon has done nothing, absolutely nothing, to countermand this implication/reality.  The Joint Chiefs of Staff have done nothing, absolutely nothing, to diminish the appearance of, nor deconstruct the agenda toward, the removal of President Trump.

Mr. President, do I have your attention?

On Tuesday, Nov. 19th, Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman is scheduled to appear in an intentionally shortened morning congressional session along with his ally Jennifer Williams, an aide to Vice President Mike Pence.

In the afternoon, Kurt D. Volker, the former United States special envoy to Ukraine, and Timothy Morrison, a Europe and Russia expert for the National Security Council will appear.

The timing, construct and purposeful design of Vindman’s appearance next week is being intentionally buried within the totality of the narrative that surrounds the impeachment effort.  Perhaps, just perhaps, someone reading this will start to put the purposefully obfuscated pieces of the coup puzzle together and act quickly….

~ REFERENCE MATERIAL ~

Beyond the debate about the optics of the “coup“, within the testimony of Lt. Col Vindman, the witness readily admits to understanding the officially established policy of the President of The United States (an agreement between President Trump and President Zelenskyy), and stunningly admits that two weeks later he was giving countermanding instructions to his Ukrainian counterpart to ignore President Trump’s policies.

The coup against President Donald Trump went from soft, to hard. Consider…

The testimony from Lt. Col. Vindman is available here. [SCRIBD pdf below]

Borrowing from Roscoe B Davis, here are some highlights:

Representative John Ratcliffe begins deconstructing Lt. Col Vindman, while his arrogant attorneys begin trying to interfere with the questioning.

This next section is very interesting, and very important.

Congressman John Ratcliffe begins questioning Vindman from the perspective of an Article 92 violation {READ IT}, coupled with an Article 88 violation {READ IT}. President Trump, is Lt. Col Vindman’s superior. President Trump sets the foreign policy.

Any commissioned officer who uses contemptuous words against the President, the Vice President, Congress, the Secretary of Defense, the Secretary of a military department, the Secretary of Homeland Security, or the Governor or legislature of any State, Commonwealth, or possession in which he is on duty or present shall be punished as a court-martial may direct. [Article 88, UCMJ]

Two weeks after President Trump has established an agreement with Ukraine President Zelenskyy, and established the policy direction therein, Lt. Col. Vindman is now giving contrary instructions to the Ukranian government. Vindman’s lawyer recognizes where the questioning is going and goes absolutely bananas:

Here’s the Full Transcript:

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A reminder from the CIA “whistleblower” attorney. January 30th, 2017, ten days after President Trump’s inauguration: the “coup has started”

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519 Responses to A Seditious Conspiracy – Lt. Col. Vindman, CIA “Whistleblower” Source #1, Shaped False Summary of April Trump-Zelensky Phone Call…

  1. Mark W says:

    BIG Coup Update: Is the Coup Failing? Big Tech Censors to Protect the Coup Cabal? New Docs Show FBI-Clinton Email Sham PLUS JW Sues International Deep State.
    https://www.investmentwatchblog.com/big-coup-update-is-the-coup-failing-big-tech-censors-to-protect-the-coup-cabal-new-docs-show-fbi-clinton-email-sham-plus-jw-sues-international-deep-state/

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  2. 804hokie says:

    In a sane country, LTC Vindman would already be experiencing the UCMJ. But even that is corrupt, now.

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  3. FofBW says:

    After all PT has done to restore the dignity of the Military (similar to Reagan), It is my opinion there are many loyal officers to PT that would make it very difficult to use subversion and catch PT unawares.

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    • bluenova1971 says:

      Yes, but weren’t the upper level officers all replaced by the Obama administration?

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      • Bubby says:

        Blue you’re right on! The Pentagon is nothing but the obama sycophants that survived his third world dictator purge of the military high command!

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      • littleanniefannie says:

        Time for serial retirements or serial deployments. Somalia, Afghanistan, Syria, Turkey, South Pole, Greenland, etc.

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      • LoonsCall says:

        as I recall, from an article “somewhere” years ago, that O got rid of any high echelon officer who would NOT agree that they would fire on U.S. citizens

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      • bbthevidiot says:

        Regarding The JCS silence, read this about the Obama Purge. Explains the type of officers over there now.
        http://www.bookwormroom.com/2019/10/28/under-obama-there-came-to-be-a-cancer-in-the-pentagon/#comment-602115

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        • Den says:

          I find it hard to believe that Trump isn’t aware of this situation and has plans to deal with that situation. First things first get the goods on the deep state which will then lead to the military conspirators and then they’ll be removed and court-martialed. Barr and Durham’s indictment referrals may include some military personnel. I’m sure people are in place to act when the time comes. There’s probably a group in the military that are on standby in case something happens but these are disconcerting times.

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      • jeans2nd says:

        The officers who were “retired” by Obama are still here. They have not gone anywhere.
        As a matter of fact, many of them are right here among us.

        Every enlisted knows the real officers are the ones who remain below GFO and out of the Pentagon. Enlisteds would die for these guys. Enlisteds know these officers are deplorable to the Pentagon.
        And those officers, though “retired” by force, are still here, still loyal to God, family, country, Corps (or Army, Navy, etc).
        Think about it.

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    • gitmo4crooks says:

      there needs to be a counter move to remediate the subversion

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    • Jederman says:

      After 23 yrs in the service and two Pentagon tours (the second during the 9/11 attacks) I have come to view the Pentagon more as a federal bureaucracy than a military organization. The permanent civilian bureaucracy, contractors, and delusional errand boys like vindman make normal service people dread the assignment.

      Parochial interests are rampant, it’s natural, but my experience was it was more tribal in the interest of your parent service or office.

      IMO, Vindman is an ends justify the means ideologue who thinks he’s pleasing some un-named individual(s). Even the most delusional 05 in that environment knows someone several echelons below PT could pinch his head off without much effort any time they were in the mood to.

      He’s got his nose in an obama worshiper’s rear end, hoping to make 06, maybe even GO. Wouldn’t that be great.

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    • luke says:

      I agree FofBW

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  4. As Sundance has pointed out, the July 25th call does not mention the Bidens at all but rather the DNC server and Crowdstrike. I want one of the Republicans to ask the witnesses to point out where in the transcript is the request to investigate them.

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    • Jim Smith says:

      I fully support POTUS. BUT…Biden is mentioned in the July 25th transcript. Read the later part. We all need to be careful in keeping to facts. No disrespect intended.

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      • Jim Smith says:

        This is a direct quote from the 7.25 call:

        “The other thing,
        There’s a lot talk about Biden’s son,. that Biden stopped the
        prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so
        whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great.
        Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if
        you ·can look into it … It sounds horrible to me.”

        So… IMHO, it’s totally legit for POTUS to ask for assistance in investigation of corruption, but to suggest that is not in the transcript, is not accurate.

        It is accurate to say that this passage is NOT connected to the prior “do me a favor” comment.

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        • WhiteBoard says:

          he is not investigating BIDEN

          he is talking with the president of ukraine about corruption. and THIS FOOL was on video talking of corruption – so he is bringing up corruption.. he isnt saying HEY CAN U FABRICATE SOMETHING ON BIDEN so i CANT BEAT HIM? (like Biden did to Manafort to BEAT TrUMP)

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          • Mary Hysmith says:

            I always thought that getting to the bottom of something meant getting down to the basic facts – the truth. It has bothered me that this has repeatedly been twisted as meaning either investigate the Bidens, or get dirt to be used in the election. Trump left the door wide open for Zelensky to come back later and say Joe Biden was right in getting rid of that prosecutor because he was corrupt as could be. Also seems ironic that there is an automatic assumption that an investigation would reveal ‘dirt’.

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        • coolmamie says:

          It just dawned on me. The request was to look into Hunter Biden. Not Joe.

          Hunter Biden is not a candidate in 2020

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      • None taken will go back and reread thank you… sticking with facts is very important

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    • Jederman says:

      I reject that entire biden narrative. It DMS that slow joe is a “political opponent.” That is slow joe’s problem. He is not, nor is his son, as the dems/msm suggest, protected from past criminal behavior just because he’s running for prezzy.

      Back in the normal days, he would (ha) aspire to and be held to a higher standard if he wanted to be prezzy.

      Why do we continue to play along with the media matters narratives? It’s specious BS.

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      • todayistheday99 says:

        Anyone with a working brain knows the whole “Joe Biden is a political opponent of Trump” is just as laughable as the Russian collusion hoax was. However, I have always counted on the military to have POTUS Trump’s back. But when trillions are at stake … everyone in Government is a traitor unless proven otherwise.

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        • luke says:

          Military wise it would Trump’s opposition would be strictly limited to the top echelon. Yes they are the ones that call the shots but I bet not too far down the ladder are men very loyal to our President who will break ranks if necessary. Look If they remove Trump on these film flam charges this country will explode.

          Bill Maher warned his sheep last night about a Civil War. Maher was absolutely correct and I think he delivered a strong warning to his side. He could have really put the fear of God into them if he told them who would win 😉

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        • luke says:

          Military wise it would Trump’s opposition would be strictly limited to the top echelon. Yes they are the ones that call the shots but I bet not too far down the ladder are men very loyal to our President who will break ranks if necessary. Look If they remove Trump on these film flam charges this country will explode.

          Bill Maher warned his sheep last night about a Civil War. Maher was absolutely correct and I think he delivered a strong warning to his side. He could have really put the fear of God into them if he told them who would win 😉

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      • TheLastDemocrat says:

        These peole have known they were vulnerable on Ukrainne. Biden is something of a viable candidate, – which sounds ereallydumb to say, but look at the entire field — Could Biden have been sure to run, and be getting support – to be a cork in the bottle ? If anyone asks about Ukraine, they they throw out the “political opponent vendetta” card?

        As if Trump is afraid to face Biden in the campaign for Prez. Please.

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    • JustSomeInputFromAz says:

      “More”, not accurate. This is a quote of the President from page 4 of the July 25th transcript:

      “The other thing, There’s a lot a talk about Biden’s son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it … It sounds horrible to me.”

      President Trump did mention the Biden’s, please note I have no issue with the President bringing up the subject. Biden is a crook!

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      • Jim Smith says:

        You and I were probably typing at the same time.
        😉

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      • sundance says:

        Trump did not bring up Biden. Zelensky did.

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        • JustSomeInputFromAz says:

          Welp SD at the risk of getting banned I beg to differ. Top portion of the paragraph on page 4 is the only place the Biden(s) are mentioned and they are mentioned by President Trump.

          Again, I could care less if the President actually stated “investigate Burisma or else”, but he did not. The Biden comments appear more in passing.

          Biden is a crook and he needs to go down hard.

          Banned in 3, 2, 1…..

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          • 1riot1ranger says:

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            • JustSomeInputFromAz says:

              OK, but I am referring to the the originally released “official” transcript posted here.

              Now Jennifer Williams seems to be another can of worms. She is a State Department Official assigned to VP Pence, so calling her an aide is a bit off for me.

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              • WhiteBoard says:

                would be interesting if Ukraine Recorded the call and handed it to Guiliani. wouldnt it?

                plus i would just view sundance’s replys as gentle nudges are helping comments so we stay on track (with the limited unclassified information we are privy too)

                a reporter may have better sources ?

                Vindman had to see the transcripts to edit it to make it look like the whistleblower- ONCE TRUMP mentioned he will DECLASSIFY — see the panic?

                pg 50 – vindman says – As opposed to going into the standard communications system, it went into a different type, a different, more secure system… while i did have an account, it was not functioning properly, so i had to go analog and take a look at – get a hard copy of it – make some — annotate some changes to it, ….

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        • WhiteBoard says:

          thank you ! –

          these coup people are relying on us to not know context or even who said what. they simply use words to manipulate narrative and rely on our limited time to study this..

          and i believe it was Zelensky who even lost faith in the Ukraine Ambassador (and most likely requested her removed)

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        • Jim Smith says:

          With due respect, isn’t the first paragraph in Page 4 of the Transcript as quoted above the first mention of Biden’s name?
          That passage starts at the end of page 3, and continues as quoted above.

          Again – I still don’t see anything wrong with this mention, but if there was a previous mention of Biden’s name I did not see it.

          Zelensky did say prior to that mention:
          “I also plan to surround myself with great people ·and in addition to that investigation,
          I guarantee as the President of Ukraine that all the investigations.will be done_openly and candidly .. That I can assure you.
          So… he did refer to investigations, while not mentioning Bidens by name.

          I respect your research and insight. I mean no disrespect.

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          • WhiteBoard says:

            ukraine was ASKING for support in their INTERNAL investigation to root our corruption. Zelensky brought up guiliani

            (AKA all topics involving clearing Trump- burisma biden – because it is linked to the NEW PROSECUTERS BIDEN put in to keep UKRAINE Corrupt)

            meaning it took this COUNTRY to clean out our state department so Ukraine coudl have a FAIR election – new guy in.

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        • WRB says:

          Parsing the details is tedious, arguing about how many angels can dance on a pin stuff.

          But for clarification, Zelenskyy first brought up Giuliani, and POTUS responded to that, and then brought up Biden’s son and Biden, and asked “whatever you can do with the Attorney General [Barr, I assume] would be great” The dems are involved in a cover-up (thick as thieves, as the saying goes), and do not want their Biden to be caught and prosecuted.

          But to tell the truth, I would rather get my pitchfork and stand outside the halls of Congress than play the dem’s BS games.

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          • Jim Smith says:

            I can agree with that.

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          • ATheoK says:

            The first transcript released; i.e. the second call that we know about.

            “President Trump:
            I would like you to do us a favor though because our country has been through a lot and Ukraine knows a lot about it. I would like you to find out what happened with this whole situation with Ukraine, they say Crowdstrike … I guess you have one of your wealthy people… The server, they say Ukraine has it.”

            “President Zelensky:

            I guarantee as the President of Ukraine that all the investigations.will be done openly and candidly .. That I can assure you ..”

            “President Trump:

            If you could speak to him that would be great. The former ambassador from the United States,· the woman, was bad news and the people she was dealing with in the Ukraine were bad news so I just want to let you know that. The other thing, There’s a lot talk about Biden’s son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you ·can look into it … It sounds horrible to me.”

            “President Zelensky: I wanted to tell ·you about the prosecutor. First of all I understand arid I’m knowledgeable about the situation.”

            The discussion centered on the server, crowdstrike and the prosecution.

            Prosecution that Biden interfered with. The discussion about the prosecution brought out the question from President Trump about Biden’s son. i.e. the interrupted prosecution.

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        • johneb18 says:

          Biden did.

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  5. Jederman says:

    “CIA Agent Eric Ciaramella never delivered his dossier briefing to the upward chain-of-command within the CIA.”

    Not to put too fine a point on it or anything but, while the weasleblower may be employed by the cia, his chain of command while TDY or filling a permanent NSC billet (assigned) would have been within the NSC. Upon leaving the NSC and returning to the cia THEN he has a cia chain of command.

    In either case, if he went (as evidence suggests) to schit first with his hearsay then it’s the same insubordination. If the director of the NSC didn’t hear from him prior to going to schit then he went out of the chain of command regardless of who he spoke to.

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    • sundance says:

      Ciaramella was not at the NSC when he wrote his report (whistleblower dossier). He left in 2017. He was at the CIA.

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      • gitmo4crooks says:

        i would like to know who directed the movement between agencies (follow the names at leadership level)

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        • jeans2nd says:

          Well gee wiz, gitmo, we already know who was leadership at every single instance to which you refer.
          You figure this one out and let us know.
          Thanks.
          (yes, have already figured it out…is not hard…)

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      • Jederman says:

        Point taken. Thanks.

        Ciaramella and vindman are an apple off the same tree. Duty on the NSC is a big deal. We already know ciaramella is connected to biden and brennan. How did vindman get there? Who vetted him/backstopped him?

        There is usually a natural, informal backchannel info line to your previous/parent unit. It’s reality. An 06 gives up one of his 05s to work outside DoD in an interagency assignment and that 05 keeps HIS 06 (back in DoD) in the loop on what he’s doing, and more importantly what everyone else is doing. It’s informal and most of the time just casual feedback.

        Of course that does’t stop that 06 from passing info up his chain of command.

        Where did vindman come from? Did he come over from the Pentagon (probably) was he ARSTAF, JS, OSD???

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      • bbthevidiot says:

        Regardless, one is required to address any FWA situation with chain of command before filing an IG complaint. IG should not receive complaint w/o verification. IF the “whistleblower” properly communicated problem through chain of command w/o relief, it is incumbent that the HPSC investigate why his/her agency failed to resolve the problem.

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      • zimbalistjunior says:

        check out Wapo article that just dropped on WB timeline. needs analysis.

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  6. Guyski says:

    Everything is connected. 😉

    Trump grants clemency to troops in three controversial war crimes cases

    The Army announced it will implement Trump’s pardons.

    “Under the Constitution, the president has the power to grant pardons for federal offenders; that authority extends to military court-martial proceedings,” the Army announced in a statement.

    “The Army has full confidence in our system of justice. The Uniform Code of Military Justice ensures good order and discipline for uniformed service members while holding accountable those who violate its provisions. The foundation of military law is the Constitution, and the Constitution establishes the President’s power to grant pardons.

    “The Army will review today’s executive actions in order to implement the presidential orders.”

    https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2019/11/16/trump-grants-clemency-to-troops-in-three-controversial-war-crimes-cases/

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    • littleanniefannie says:

      Since the “military times” called the cases controversial, I have a suggestion. No one at the “management” level of DoD (military) who serves at the Pentagon should do so for more than 6 months in any year, the remaining 6 months must be spent on the front lines in a combat zone. Where soldiers go, there must they go also. Additionally, Pentagon junior officers and non-coms must spend 3 months out of every year in a combat zone!

      Col. Vindman is guilty of breach of confidentiality in telling his twin classified info. They busted Goldstein’s rank, why not Vindman’s? His violation was incredibly more agregious.

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    • Guyski, I’m not questioning what you’re saying, but questioning the significance. Were the three pardons a poke in the eye to someone? If so, who, and why? Thanks!

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    • bessie2003 says:

      In listening to an online interview with the officer, the one who was just granted back his status, and his wife who both said that the military was fighting against Pres. Trump doing this reinstatement;

      from that brief video clip it seemed obvious there is a heavy push-back against President Trump even now. (sorry, no military background so don’t know the correct terminology)

      Remembering that video from yesterday (if I can find it will post it here), and this thread and the points made that there is no reason the military has not removed Vindeman for his actions, it seems reasonable there the President is still in the midst of the heavy part of this coup.

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    • “The Army announced it will implement Trump’s pardons.”

      The fact that the article actually included this sentence says volumes.

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    • Jimmy Jack says:

      I have been rolling those war crime cases over my mind for months now, knowing they must tie to something far bigger and working through every possibility of what it could be only to know it is probably something even worse than I’ve imagined to date.

      I agree whole heartedly, it is connected.

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  7. vikingmom says:

    Although I don’t want to see it happen, if this whole coup succeeds and we lose all of our rights and all our freedoms, there is a very small part of me that cannot wait to say, to both my willfully arrogant and woefully ignorant friends,”We tried to tell you and you laughed at us or you ignored us! You swallowed every lie the MSM fed to you or you completely avoided any political conversation. The country is gone now and you still have no idea what happened…deal with it and don’t come crying to those of us who saw it coming and tried to warn you!”

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  8. And yet they can’t just march in and drag jim out…

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  9. G. Alistar says:

    I hardly think “all” the military is in cahoots to support Vindmann. For OBrian to fire him or the JCS to return him to the Army out of the NSC now, would make him a martyr to the dems, Schiff would have a baby and be all over the media claiming retaliation. Anyone who actually reads his earlier interview, knows he has multiple honesty problems, not to mention Hatch Act and loyalty problems. I say, let the Napoleon axiom apply, “never interrupt your enemy so when they are making a mistake.” Vindmann will be skinned alive by Republican Congress men and women! I think this will be the President’s finest hour. POTUS has a secret weapon, the truth!

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    • Mo says:

      I’d like to see Nunes replace counsel with John Ratcliff for the 45 minutes to interrogate this weasel vindman.

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      • BruceC says:

        Think I heard or read yesterday that Schiff has changed the rules so as the Ranking Member CANNOT allocate his time to other members of the HIC.

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        • littleanniefannie says:

          Lawfare took great pains to handcuff the minority. We have to win both houses of Congress next November. Then we can serve them Schiftburgers every day.
          We must be vigilant. If they are going this far to advance impeachment at all costs, imagine the illegal things that will be done during those elections. 2018 was the dry run. Soros backed AG races to control the election narrative. If Soros can control the ones he backed to do illegal things (which he has in the past), we have to watch and call out what we see. Look at the map again from 16. I have no problem giving the Dems all their blues “spaces” and we’ll keep the red. They can be the Socialist Blips of America and we’ll be the United States.

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          • Rileytrips says:

            littleanniefannie, if we are to have any chance of regaining the House next November, we MUST ensure that there is a Republican candidate in every House district race!! Did you see how many seats were won by Democrats who had no Republican or even Libertarian competitor?! That can’t happen gain in this next election!
            We must be vigilant.i

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            • Sherri Young says:

              Absolutely true. Even if the district is totally bright blue, run a candidate. He/she will get some votes. There will be people who will hear some truth during townhalls. Be sure to set the rules to include a Q&A. That will give ticked off constituents of the lazy incumbents the chance to ask uncomfortable questions. The local papers will have to report on debates. Drama is good for business. Campaign ads are like Christmas, especially for the small town papers and radio stations. 2020 will be an awesome opportunity to get in there and tell the incumbent about the business of the district that did not get addressed while he/she was busy trying to impeach the president. This opportunity is not to be missed.

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        • BruceC says:

          Think it was when Nunes handed over his time to Rep. Elise Stefanik and Schiff immediately shut her down, “the Congress Women is not recognized” and then cited some ruling he just made up prior to this hearing.

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          • Tl Howard says:

            We need to see more of Schiff “shutting people down” because it was horrible optics. I know people in the neighborhood who are Dems, saying “How can they get away with not letting the other side do anything?”

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            • TWOHAWK 1 says:

              Schiff is too stupid to understand any optics beyond his own nose. Not all dems are teeny bopper koolaid drinkers. We need the ‘mature’ dem to hear us, and see Schiff, more often.

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  10. bluenova1971 says:

    We have a long slog ahead.

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  11. Linus in W.PA. says:

    If one (such as Trump and his loyal people) has to use gov’t resources/policies/functions to ‘properly’ address the crimes of these treasonous bastagees, then we know that it will take a lot of time as they have to use those established processes. Couple that with the fact that there are treasonous embeds in all levels of gov’t, it means that things have to be done very deliberately.

    Vindman has his coming to him. I just feel certain of that. Charmin-boy is going to get his too.

    All of us need to remember something…..these bitches have made long and seditious plans, and the evidence is there. BUT, they are not winning anything!!

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    • gitmo4crooks says:

      there are over 100 millions guns….and most of the patriots are locked and loaded if we ever come to that point

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    • chipin8511 says:

      Intel agencies and Democrats have left a paper trail as long as I-75 they never thought she would lose… If that SOB wins we are all going to hang her Kilda-beast famous words…I will buy the ropes mad in America…

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  12. DeWalt says:

    We The People will have the final say. The Declaration of Independence informs us of our duty. The Deep State is on Dangerous Ground.

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  13. zimbalistjunior says:

    so SD, what is your view on the discrepancy between actual first call (between president and zelensky) and the vindman version?
    what was he trying to accomplish?

    and is the president’s release of transcript and revelation that vindman did fake version an indication that this is all one massive leak trap operation?

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    • Allard Otten says:

      Read a post on a darkweb site linking an article written in poor English that Danysluk (sp?) was on the call on the Uke side with Zelensky. Danysluk fluent English, Zelensky middling, (only literal, can’t import meaning). Report says Danysluk is leaker (Soros related) to DS.

      Article also said Vindman, Sonland and Danysluk met in Kiev and Sonland said Biden, Burisma and other things (election, maybe) should be investigated. That was 2nd leak.

      Zelensky fired Danysluk after those two leaks, says article.

      I didn’t trust the article completely, because I hadn’t heard of Sondland and Vindman ever meeting, and it seems to me that should be huge news.

      Other than that, a Danysluk/Vindman link would be important. Vindman could just write up what Danysluk told him he’d heard. Also could be a sting and whatever ‘magic’ term/lead Vindman came up that with was fed to Danysluk will nail him. IOW, there were staged calls. Could be Shifty read off what Danysluk reported. Vindman ‘massages’ English side to match Danysluk version and gives it to Charlie Marshmellow, who’s just a bag man to make the whistleblower scam look legit.

      Have to see what checks out. Especially Danysluk. Lots of stuff bubbling up on the darkweb. Once it’s synthesized and chewed over it can be cleaned up enough for the peeps. Similar to the days when the undercover guys had to go into the dives to get info. Think Baretta.

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    • TarsTarkas says:

      Probable cause for impeachment and conviction. Doubt Vindman or anybody expected Trump to release April call transcript. Normal SOP for Republicans is to clam up lawyer up and claim Executive Privilege. POTUS not following script. So Schiff & Co are trying to influence public perception and Senatorial conviction to support removal of Trump from office. And then steal all necessary elections in 2020 to remain in power.

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    • IGiveUp says:

      yeah Vindman made some shit up in his summary but didn’t sound so bad to me. For all I know they make up these summaries to sound better all the time. As for it being a leak trap, still don’t get how Vindman’s version makes Trump look bad so if it was a trap of some kind I don’t get how it worked.

      As for larger issue of military being in on the coup, makes sense. The military is a very important Establishment institution in all countries.

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  14. Without a doubt, the most frightening thing I’ve read all day:

    “The United States Military is collaborating with the CIA to remove a U.S. President from office.”

    Surely Sundance cannot be the only one out there who can put two and two together. And how is it that this treasonous, seditious, SOB gets to keep his job as a SPY within the Administration?
    Why isn’t he being taken away in the dead of night to some super max prison as he so rightly deserves? Roger Stone basically does nothing and these same coup plotters were able to come to his home with a small army, take away all his civil rights and potentially put him in prison for the rest of his life.

    Yeah, I loved Bill Barr’s speech and whoever wrote it gets a lot of credit. But if something isn’t done soon to take out the infiltrators, spies, conspirators, thugs and assorted criminals who seem to be on the verge of running our Country, there is literally going to be Hell to pay going into 2020.

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    • Honest question for you Seneca, and for anyone else reading here…

      Do you really think that President Trump is unaware of the things written in this article and or unable to deal with them as he told us he would?

      Askin’ for a fren…

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      • Sharon says:

        It doesn’t matter what we think.

        What matters is whether or not the information is actually known and will be acted on effectively – – – that will be revealed as time passes..

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        • I think it does matter what we think Sharon, especially if we share our thoughts with others.

          Morale is very, very important in times of #WAR, and we are just now joining in on a war that has been being waged upon us for 106 years and counting…

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          • Sharon says:

            I understand your point. But I have seen a trend of comments over the years, both here and on other sites, that seem to indicate that quite a few people believe that if we just form a consensus of really irate individuals or really upset patriots, that everything will right itself.

            What I think and what you think will not change the current state of affairs unless and until the people who have the authority and responsibility to take action to save our Republic actually do so.

            As I said – yes, I understand your point. I was sloppy about making mine.

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      • Mariposa323 says:

        Thank you . I’ve been waiting for that comment . How could we lose faith so easily in the VSG that is our President ? He must be a real Putz if he is going to allow this coup when he is Commander in Chief ! And to think that he doesn’t have a clue ??? Give me a break !

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    • Boots says:

      “…Why isn’t he being taken away in the dead of night to some super max prison as he so rightly deserves?”

      “Why isn’t he being taken away in the dead of the night, never to return?”

      Fixed it for ya.

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    • chipin8511 says:

      Seneca There are 10k SES members Senior Executive Service members in Govt put there by Obama they are the resistance hard to fire them..They are subverting Trump’s agenda everyday.95% of DC are Demon-rats big problem and why not much gets done..

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      • littleanniefannie says:

        At every Trump rally, there need to be interviews for SES jobs. Watchers. Reporters. Assign each one two or more new hires. They don’t go to the restroom alone. They have a shadow when they go to the water fountain. They park between their shadows. Send a message. No subtlety. In your face, I dare you to perform acts of a coup against our President. Keep a pocket Constitution on your body at all times. If they even try to make a contact, pull it out.

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      • madeline says:

        All 10K should be reassigned to Venezuela, El Salvador, Afghanistan, Iraq, Central African Republic, Libya, South Sudan, Yemen, and Syria. They can come home only for Christmas at there won expense.

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    • pocketnuke61 says:

      I once heard someone say that the best kind of spy is the one you know about. (Tom Clancy?) It is much better for Pres Trump to keep Vindman right where he is at, rather than take the chance the opposition will replace him with someone else. Besides, the Pres can always marginalize Vindman and restrict his duties to minimize the damage he can do; maybe give him a minder to watch everything he does. Who knows, we might catch more of the rats that way.

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  15. gunrunner03 says:

    President Trump cannot let this slide. Vindman should be charged and court-martialed. All the chiefs of service and the chairman need to be called on the carpet. They should be told to report with their letters of resignation in hand. Senior military leadership needs to be decimated and replaced, either promote within the ranks and/or bring back on active duty retired officers (who have been properly vetted).

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    • pocketnuke61 says:

      I agree, but timing is everything. Do you suppose the Pres is making a list (and checking it twice)? Once the entire impeachment fiasco is over and the threat of “obstruction” claims is past, he can go through and clean them all out.

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  16. President Trump knows that he needs the people informed and rightfully angry about the insane corruption within the district of criminals and every entity connected to a feral government.

    He also knows that it takes time to get the info to the people, and his only route is through extreme exposure to their actions. This “imcoupment” process is truly extreme sunlight being added to what’s already becoming clear through other aspects of his efforts, twatter posts, rallies, campaign ads, etc… some of us will simply have to excuse the remedial nature of total exposure.

    I refuse to sweat it out and wring my hands over any of this as I am damn sure I voted for the right man at the right time to literally kill the globalist efforts in our nation. This shit is so stupid even my “democrat” acquaintances are asking me “what the blank?” over it. Yeah.

    At this point, the seditious asshats of both wings of UniParty are being outed for what they are and there is time to turn the tables on the entire cabal. I’m ok with the President’s timeline and sure that he knows what he’s doing.

    After all, 4 decades of preparation to become President should be ample, even as evil as the swamp scum are… thank you for your time reading my comment. 😀

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    • Linus in W.PA. says:

      These bitches aren’t ‘winning’ anything even though we sometimes feel like we are losing.

      I think a lot of the time, we feel like we’re ‘losing’ because CTH unravels their plans and schemes.

      HC, you’re damned right!!! We elected the right guy.

      TRUMP 2020——Coming at you like a freight train……………….TROLLING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    • arze says:

      “Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.”

      Vindman right now wishes like Hell he was sent packing out of the White House.

      He has been totally outed, and we’ll see what kind of reception he gets Tuesday morning.

      He just may get asked: why did you falsify April’s conversation.

      And I kind of like that Dear Eric is sweating this out too, good ole psychological warfare being thrown right at psychological lawfare.

      Vindman just might get asked: What was dear Eric’s role in the April and July telephone conversations?

      And Sundance’s Semper Paratus is apropos too. Very important to be on guard.

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  17. 13wasylyna says:

    Remember that Obama perverted the upper ranks of the military and installed a bunch of partisan political sissies in their place. Im sure those people are still in place

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    • WRB says:

      Yes, after 8 years, we got quite a crop of SJW types into the higher ranks. Notice that General Mattis, who supported progressive ideas e.g. transgenders in the army, was not quite SJW enough for the Bamster, and was forced out.

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    • littleanniefannie says:

      Note that the brass were opposed to the two clemencies and restoration of rank. They have no compunction about putting new recruits/officers at the front line as sacrificial lambs. They don’t want them to actually fight. In the eyes of the top brass, these men are expendable. Well, in my eyes, the brass is expendable unless and until they spen tours of duty on the front lines, meeting the kids on bicycles with bombs strapped around their waists, or guns ready to open fire. The rules of engagement for the brass should be exactly what they sent men into combat to. Face.

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  18. 13wasylyna says:

    Obama’s Military Coup Purges 197 Officers In Five Years

    https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/197-military-officers-purged-by-obama/

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  19. burnett044 says:

    we were warned years ago about the MILITARY-industrial complex…..don`t look away

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  20. Abster says:

    If everyone is working against our President and no one can be trusted, what can be done? Seeing Sec. Pompeo’s photo in above line up makes me sick to my stomach. Evil has bred like cats.

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    • Cal Ricky says:

      I noted in Vindman’s testimony that he said he usually prepares a script (bullet points for these calls). Well I bet Vindman will say (maybe he already said) that Trump rejected his and wrote his own. How much you wanna bet vindman actually wrote the bullet points that Trump actually used.
      First I must say to the secret service don’t touch it with human hands as Vindman fingerprints are on it (very crucial) and if delivered in an envelope maybe saliva from Vindman. So search for it (envelope also) and search on Vindmans computer for it.
      Not sure if Vindman eventually overwrote it or just deleted it. But the secret service must search.

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    • John Bosley says:

      Don’t give cats a black eye, they do their part to rid the world of vermin. 😊
      More like , ” breed like rats “.

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    • Tl Howard says:

      Former CIA.

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  21. Boots says:

    NOW do you believe the military will fire on, to kill, citizens who believe in and follow Jefferson’s words in the Declaration?

    “But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.”

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    • DeWalt says:

      I don’t know about active duty Military. My best guess would put the number of Patriots at about 10 million that would take up arms. And that includes some very talented former military that thanks to keeping us in perpetual state of war have very relevant talents.

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    • TheLastDemocrat says:

      The good thing is:
      when they see what they are facing, it will be easy to drop weapon and surrender.

      They will be surrendering to their own countrymen.

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    • Aeyrie says:

      The 10 million that DeWalt says are ready to take up arms must not become a mob. There is a right way and a wrong way to carry out our duty to throw off despotism. That would make the difference between being aided by the military or be fired upon.

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  22. LouisianaTeaRose says:

    The one thing above all these revelations that isscreaming out in my head is that the NSA was placed under the DOD. Please, Lord, tell me how much of the brass holds sway over Paul Nakasone…..

    This is, without a doubt, the most terrifying thing I have EVER read here at CTH.

    Military, politicized and weaponized. Where do we go from here?

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    • jeans2nd says:

      Rose, the NSA has always been under the military. It was only after 911 when the it was placed under the newly created ODNI.
      NSA is, and has been since its inception in 1918 during WWI, part of military operations.
      It is the civilians that have bastardized the NSA’s abilities, most notably the SIS (Senior Intelligence Service).

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      • Actually, prior to WWI, the US Navy did ALL SIG INTEL and it wasn’t until WWII (radio reception) that the US Army had it own SIG INTEL and at the start of the Korean Conflict, the US Army Signal Intel morphed into the Army Security Services which is the PRECURSOR to the NSA!!!

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  23. Rose says:

    Perhaps it’s time Trump purges the streamers and four stars of their stars, it’s clear the war mongers are part of the CIA coup. As for the military maggot Trump has ample evidence of insubordination, so he can remove him without the DOD approval.

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    • Les Standard says:

      So, the US sends monetary aid (taxpayer dollars) to the Ukraine, and the Ukraine turns around and sends a big chunk of it to Hunter Biden and the John Kerry Family and Paul Pelosi Jr., and other politically connected parasites……like these two idiots? I bet money is involved, not just politics and idealism.

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      • Aeyrie says:

        Count on it Les. Follow the money.

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      • WSB says:

        Ever read Clinton Cash? Sets up the entire world of Foreign Aid Money Laundering. The State Department decides who gets the money and uses USAID as a pipeline, among others, like weapons sales, etc.

        This is how Soros stays rich.

        He just uses our own taxpayer money.

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    • RogerThat! says:

      The NSA, where Adm Rogers was commanding officer, has always been under the DoD. Similarly, the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA), where LtGen Flynn was commanding officer, has also always been under the DoD.

      The mission of the NSA is to collect, process, and analyze signal, communications, and electronic intelligence against military threats to our country. It’s a good tool for the military.

      But like any other “good” tool (e.g. a fork or a chain saw) in the hands of a wrong or evil person, that tool can be used for wrong or evil purposes.
      Thus was the corruption of the Obama admin, to use tools (improperly) against political opponents, for the purposes of internal political power and control. Straight outta tyrannical behavior of communist / fascist countries! NOT our usual behavior as a country. But….

      So, it’s not the tool – it’s the user! And a “good” tool’s use, in this case, was corrupted by Obama and his co-conspirators. Same as the un-maskings, FISC abuse, etc., etc.

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  24. hokkoda says:

    I think for the moment the games rides on the tandem of the DOJ IG Report and the parallel Durham investigation. The direction those take will tell us if it is even worth talking about the “coup” any more. If they don’t prosecute, the coup has won, and the message to the Senate will be game on to remove Trump. It would clear the playing field.

    If, OTOH, the IG makes meaty criminal referrals, and I don’t mean weak tea like “lack of candor”, and Durham issues meaty indictments, the game swings the other way. Ciaramella is a character in both the Mueller report and the Schiff melodrama. That enables Durham to expand his probe to the current phase of the coup. Plan A failed, Plan B – also casting Eric Ciaramella, provides the link. As a bonus, the Witte tweet to Lisa Page connects the Lawfare team in Plan B much more directly to the bureaucrat players from Plan A.

    Odds are, given the overheated analysis of what the IG “will” report, is that the best case scenario for Trump won’t happen. They’ll paper it over. Durham comes back with “lots of concerns and irregularities but no indictments”.

    The lower % play is the best case for Trump. Of note, the McCabe grand jury was called back together on 9/13…right after the draft IG report was delivered. The timing could be additional charges for McCabe…hence the delays announcing McCabe’s status. They don’t want to issue that indictment and tip their hand before the IG Report comes out. The IG Report gives the Administration political cover.

    If the low% play comes through, the opportunity is to roll up Ciaramella, Vindman, and others involved in Plan B.

    Also, referencing the WH release of the first call transcript, Vindman was asked to explain why none of the things the whistleblower claimed were in the 7/25 transcript. My recollection is that he said there was an “earlier” call. Hence the WH releasing the “earlier call” transcript. Correct me if I’m wrong, but that’s what I remember him saying.

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    • Somebody says:

      Bronfman said the transcript was mostly accurate he had raise a couple of points with NSC officials back when the transcript was written. He said Zelensky said Burisma but the transcript didn’t capture it instead showed an ellipse. Also that POTUS said in reference to Biden, there are tapes, but transcript shows an ellipse.

      Put both of Vindman’s claims in transcript it doesn’t change anything.

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  25. Ausonius says:

    I have mentioned before the prediction of Historians William Strauss and Neil Howe that the years after 2020 will be one of a Great Crisis. A coup d’etat by Leftist Communists in our midst would fit that description!

    See:

    https://www.lifecourse.com/about/method/the-four-turnings.html

    Joseph McCarthy was not completely wrong, as we have discovered throughout the last years, after previously “secret files” were opened, about Communist spies and sympathizers infiltrating the government.

    And so…what shall we do?

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  26. Patience says:

    Does Vindman’s “identical twin brother” –the lawyer– have security clearance to be told about President Trump’s conversation?????

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  27. gohawks2015 says:

    A question for our host and an alternative hypothesis for consideration.

    Question- What does Pompeo have to do with this? Perhaps I missed the link unless it is meant to be that he was CIA head ? Did I miss something in the body of text?

    Hypothesis- Keep your friends close but your enemies closer. Both LTC V and the whistleleaker are KNOWN quantities and are thusly 90% burnt for further use. Coupled with the dems simply dying to find ANYTHING that could damage POTUS the suggested Presidentially ordered (whether he does it or those that work for him do it) re-assignments could be POSSIBLY framed as “obstruction”.

    Since that is the case leave them to rot in place, deny the dim witted dems yet again and have them both clean the head at current pay until it sparkles. All of them.

    I hope your assessment is incorrect dear host and something more along the lines of what is proposed here is in play.

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  28. valuethetruth says:

    Since these traitors have been promoted to high positions due of their proclivity to kiss butt, they lack the intelligence to maneuver when the chips are down. Guys like Vindman have little brain power, so when challenged or thwarted they resort to lying and whining.

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  29. Troublemaker10 says:

    Vindman us scheduled to be recycled out of the White House in a few months anyway isn’t he?

    Perhaps they left him there (somewhat quarantined) until his scheduled leave date for PR purposes.

    Would it be best to execute any insubordination or other actions against after impeachment process is over?

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    • mimbler says:

      None of these delayed justice for political gain theories make sense to me, and as far as I know, none of them have happened. Delaying prosecution just allows people to forget about it.

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  30. WhiteBoard says:

    my largest question is – if november 19 2019 – 111919 is a clever ploy, then this is a symbolic overthrow.. right?

    PDJT could only be signalling a COUP, if he is prepping us to know, and not for help (entirely).. he did that image with the military members where he said “this is the call before the storm”..”:youll find out (in response to the reporters saying what does that mean)”

    honestly PDJT and this site CAN ONLY be preparing us to UNDERSTAND what is happenign and what will have to happen to stop this. the military might be with this coup, but there may also be other military members not with the coup.

    he NEEDS the PRESIDENTIAL POWER, and CONGRESS to save this country. THIS is why the VOTES count so much and why he is working so hard.

    Vindman’s lawyer knew what Ratcliffe was getting to with the disobeying the presidents order… thats why he and the Chair (mr. hearsay is facts Quigley) blocked his questioning.

    we the people need to stop ENTERTAINING THIS IMPEACHMENT – and start FLAT OUT SAYING THIS IS A COUP – do not ENTERTAIN ANY DEMOCRAT talking points of feelings or how she or he felt of distinguished this or that

    CALL IT A COUP everywhere, and have that COLD ANGER that will SAY IT whether its a stupid liberal friend you have been babying cause you dont want to hurt their feelings.

    IT IS TIME TO HURT THE STUPID NAIVE Peoples FEELNGS – we have a COUP on our hands.

    WE CAN END IT PEACEFULLY IF WE SPEAK UP.

    alll things below are notes from the transcripts of vindman and Cooper…………..
    …………..
    ……….
    …..

    Page 16 Vindman transcript

    “In the spring of 2019 i became aware of outside influencers promiting a false narrative of Ukraine inconsistent with the consensus views of the entire interagency. This narrative was harmful to U.S. Government policy. While my interacgency collegues and I were becoming increasingly optimistic about Ukraine’s prospects, this alternative narrative undermined U.S. Government efforts to expand cooperation with Ukraine.”

    page 17 Vindman Transcripts

    President Trump called President Zelensky on April 21st 2019. I was one of the serveral staff officers who listend to the call. The call was positive.
    p32
    `I thought it was inappropriate to have — to call for an investigation — to call a foreign power to investigate a US citien. In my mind, I had spent quite a bit if time in the world, i udnerstandh ow the justice system works. its not a rule of law that governs.
    These could all be orchestrated to achieve some sort of objective. and, in my mind, i thought it was, you know — if they thought that this was in their national security intersts and they could potentially get away with it — you know, im not talking about the Ukrainian; IM TALKING ABOUT FOREIGN POWERS IN GENERAL –… WHY SHOLD THEY REALLY CARE THAT MUCH ABOUT DOMESTIC POLITICS AT A DIFFERENT COUNTRY?

    (MY QUESTION – WHO ARE THESE FOREIGN POWERS HE IS TALKING ABOUT? the democrats?)

    pg 50 – vindman says – As opposed to going into the standard communications system, it went into a different type, a different, more secure system… while i did have an account, it was not functioning properly, so i had to go analog and take a look at – get a hard copy of it – make some — annotate some changes to it, ….

    p50

    Yanovitch transcript released Nov 4 ~~~~!!!!!
Taylor Testified Oct 22!! or October! HOW DID HE KNOW WHAT SHE TESTIFIED!???
    MA you are right THEY ARE COORDINATING !
    ! expose the coordination!
    Taylor transcript Page 51 , line 15 “well, as she’s testified, she was told by the deputy…”

    Yanovitch transcript released Nov 4 ~~~~!!!!!
    Taylor Testified Oct 22!! or October! HOW DID HE KNOW WHAT SHE TESTIFIED!???

    MA you are right THEY ARE COORDINATING !

    Why is the Chamber of Commerce doing insider trading on Foreign Aid?

    transcript from Ms. cooper p 64 she said she received a call from chamber of commerce

    https://d3i6fh83elv35t.cloudfront.net/static/2019/11/CPRT-116-IG00-D012.pdf

    cooper p 64 she rceived call from chamber of commerce

    beck said declassify presidential study directive 11 asked us to ASk PDJT to declassify it.. pass word !!!

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  31. nationalboardertified2001 says:

    Pompeo is dirty???? Please, say it isn’t so!

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  32. Phil aka Felipe says:

    #coup has started or is it civil war has started?

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  33. JohnCasper says:

    “A Seditious Conspiracy – Lt. Col. Vindman, CIA “Whistleblower” Source #1, Shaped False Summary of April Trump-Zelensky Phone Call…”

    In other words, the seditious Army LTC and the seditious CIA GS13 Analyst lied. As far as I am concerned, as they are not independent agents, and as things stand now, they have implicated their masters, the Pentagon and Langley.

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  34. Is it possible that Trump told the JCS to sit tight on Vindman? Who knows. Like watching a puzzle with pieces moving in 5 different directions.

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  35. ristvan says:

    I am much more sanguine than Sundance that the coup is not only only soft, but abjectly failing. Once PDJT was elected despite the spying on his campaign, the coup was always only about impeachment and conviction. Pelosi cannot get either. She is hosed. There are several independent lines of bigger picture reasoning. JMHO.

    1. The original plan was the Russia collusion ‘insurance policy’ as we know from FBI text messages. It got handed from FBI to SC Mueller by RR because of Sessions recusal, and after two years it failed abjectly. Nothing to impeach on, let alone convict. New AG Barr shut it down, and in doing so also destroyed all of Weissman’s novel obstruction attempts in part two. Then Mueller embarrassed himself publicly about the whole mess. Granted, there was collateral damage like Stone and Manafort. Attempted Coups are never pleasant.

    2. The hastily improvised backup plan was Ukraine quid pro quo. (Russia recycled). That is where insubordinate LtC Vindman comes in. BUT, Vindman probably admitted committing the felony 18USC§798 by leaking to his buds. Ciaramella is already disgraced by hearsay. And the PDJT transcript release blows both their concerns and lies up, after which Schiff committed the ‘parody call‘ own goal error. The backup plan was irretrievably damaged worse than Shuttle Challenger before it launched. They got nothing. Yet continue digging a deeper ‘lies’ hole. O’Brien has said is just rotating Vindman out as part of NSC staff reduction from 250 to 100. This is smart, avoids the ‘political retribution’ accusation, just like not charging Comey over IG leak referral. Vindman is MUCH less important than nailing the ‘insurance policy’ perps linked directly to Obama.

    3. Pelosi focus groups showed ‘quid pro quo’ doesn’t work for ‘high crimes and misdemeanors’. There is another reason as well. POTUS conducts foreign policy and that is always all about quid pro quos. Look at NoKo. Look at China trade. So she changed the accusation to bribes. Except PDJT hasn’t accepted any, which is what the Constitution requires. Flail upon flail.

    4. AG Barr’s speech yesterday must be read in light of PDJT’s Bossier LA rally claim about the swamp. ‘We caught em all’. I hear that in ‘never again’ context as PDJT confirming that Durham WILL indict them all. We already know about the Nunes criminal referrals for FISA and EC predicate conspiracies (18USC§241 and/or 242). We know the IG report is about to drop on FISA, trapping Comey and Yates and maybe others on 18USC§1018 false attestation. And we know Barr and Durham have been on the EC predicate with two trips to Italy (Mifsud And his UK cell phone sim cards) and apparently one to Australia (Downer).

    Barr’s speech yesterday laid out the constitutional background for what is about to go down. Brilliant, setting a historical legal context. Read it again, very carefully. ‘Sabotage the Executive’. Those are fighting words. The fight begins.

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    • FofBW says:

      Excellent

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    • Greg1 says:

      Thank you, ristvan.

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    • meow4me2 says:

      Ristvan, thanks for the analysis. I, too, am hoping Barr was laying the groundwork for why The Resistance must be stopped. Well reasoned.

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    • Ristvan, thank you, thank you, THANK YOU for providing your analysis!!! I’ll enjoy the rest of the evening and sleep soundly now. Much appreciated!

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    • Tl Howard says:

      Yes, I ruminated earlier on Barr’s choice of verbs: “sabotage”. I also think it was a warning to those who continue to “sabotage the executive.” I think it says to everyone in the bureaucracy and out, “We’re watching.”

      Surely everyone who has been involved in this conspiracy, from the biggest names to the unknowns, have watched that video of Barr speaking.

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    • MakeAmericaGreat says:

      Great stuff, Ristvan. Thanks.

      Barr’s speech was exceptional. Really put it all together.

      You lamented above, in another comment, about many here at CTH suffering from ‘clinical depression’ (from watching all that has taken place in the last 3 years). I’m sure that’s true, and many here do feel glum, but it’s also important to point out that there is also a large group of people here who do not feel down and who are optimistically waiting for the counter-offensive to come.

      The less-down people may write fewer comments than the more-down people. But the less-down or feeling-ok people are still here, in full force.

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      • ristvan says:

        MAG, I sure hope you are correct. I am by nature and several decades of hard won experience neither an optimist nor a pessimist. Just a realist.

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        • MakeAmericaGreat says:

          I am also a realist, friend.

          There are a number of people, I’m sure, who also feel optimistic (or “less down”) at the moment who aren’t saying anything.

          I think some of the reason for this is out of respect, and to avoid infighting.

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    • LouisianaTeaRose says:

      Ristvan, your insight doesn’t remove my fear, but I can breathe a little.

      We have much to overcome.

      I will start to recover my sanity when INDICTMENTS DROP…

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    • Derek Hagen says:

      Ristvan I’m wondering if Bill Barr meant the bagpipe incident in this way:

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    • TWOHAWK 1 says:

      As I listened to Barr’s speech, I knew it would become an historic speech. It is the ‘Last Call’ before the curtain. The first 27 minutes or so, were as you said, laying the constitutional framework for the coming storm. I won’t ever forget the words, and I knew right then it’s going to happen like a big dog “…with vigor” .

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    • jello333 says:

      I’ve been sitting here for ten minutes typing, deleting, retyping, changing one long comment after another. Not sure what I should or shouldn’t say… I just can’t get the words right, so I’m gonna stop trying. Suffice to say the gist of my thoughts involve the fear that we may be headed down the road to civil war, but also the comfort of knowing we’ll have great leaders IF it comes to that… and much of that comfort comes from some of the people right here in the Treehouse.

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      • jello333– I can surely relate to “…typing, deleting, retyping, changing one long comment after another.” I think I run at a 1:3 ratio of deletion for every published post.

        And, it’s exceedingly rare that even published posts haven’t undergone a fair amount of “typing, deleting, retyping…”

        I’ve realized deliberation and not posting still lead to greater knowledge because of the time spent reflecting on the two sides of a single situation. I’m not sure there’s a point to my meandering. I just wanted to say thanks– You created a vivid, evocative image using that phrase, “typing, deleting, retyping, changing one long comment after another.”

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    • Janus says:

      Well, you most certainly do put a rosy simmer on the otherwise depressing on-going coup against the president. But as mamma used to say, the proof is in the pudding. We’ll see if or when the indictments and prosecutions occur. But you realize that the Media and Dems will scream bloody murder, “political retribution”! The nets will plaster it on every station, every hour of every day till 2024. The whole point will be to taint any prosecutions (and influence juries) that any prosecution is unfair, unjust and merely political vengeance.

      BTW…..did you see Virginia’s election returns? Whatcha wanna bet juries will be chose from those enthusiastic Democrat voters. Can you say, nullification?

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  36. bessie2003 says:

    Again, cannot overlook the clarity of Sundance’s observations here.

    Can we assume that the President is now aware of this lack of action by those who should have already removed Vindeman?

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  37. Trump has an airtight and independent reason for firing Vindman: ANYONE under the president’s command who directly contradicts and works against the president’s explicit foreign policy directives forfeits any ‘job protection’ they might otherwise hope to retain as a purported ‘whistleblower’ or corroborator thereof.

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  38. JohnCasper says:

    “The Pentagon could easily withdraw Vindman from his position at the National Security Coucil; yet, it does not…. and it has not. WHY?

    Because, like Langley, the Pentagon is clearly in a state of mutiny against America.

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  39. Bubby says:

    Naive question. Why doesn’t President Trump send a copy of this blog of Sundance to the Joints Chiefs of Staff and ask them for a written response as to why Vindman remains in his current position with his current rank undisciplined? Put them on notice? Force them to provide a written response? I’ve never been in the military so perhaps this is a bad idea?

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  40. Les Standard says:

    CNN == CIA channel

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  41. Troublemaker10 says:

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  42. Astro says:

    The insurgent lawyer

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  43. Troublemaker10 says:

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  44. RAC says:

    If the summary of the call was sent to reporters in April, and presumably they would have known vindeman faked it, yet some six months have gone by with no one saying anything. Six months of surveillance on him might hopefully have yielded up some of his playmates.

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  45. Jenevive says:

    If the military is in on this coup. I wonder if that is why POTUS
    went against them in giving pardon to those soliders . It was reported
    that Military brass and Mark Esper was against doing it.. But POTUS
    did it anyway.

    As far as the military where is Admiral Rogers??

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    • Les Standard says:

      Where’s Barr, where’s the DOJ, where’s the FBI, where’s……………

      Liked by 1 person

    • JohnCasper says:

      DJT is like Sun Tzu.

      Regard your soldiers as your children, and they will follow you into the deepest valleys; look on them as your own beloved sons, and they will stand by you even unto death.
      – SunTzu

      On the other hand, the military brass and Esper treat their own soldiers like disposable lab rats.

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  46. Deplorable_Vespucciland says:

    “Freedom is special and rare…” President Ronald W. Reagan

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  47. SteveT says:

    Sundance
    In the seventh para of the post there are two references to Lindman that look as though they should say Vindman.

    SteveT

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  48. When I first read this post I became angry. Angry at SD. And that was a sure sign to me that SD was right. But I have to hope that it is but a small fraction of the military that is the problem. I

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    • JohnCasper says:

      President Harry “Give ’em Hell” Truman (remind you of anybody ??) told his biographer, Merle Miller: “Why, they’ve got an organization over there in Virginia [CIA at Langley] now that is practically the equal of the Pentagon in many ways. And I think I’ve told you, one Pentagon is one too many.

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  49. Kris says:

    It seems to me the Vidman issue has to grow into as “the elephant in the room” before the military or even Trump can remove the fish hook from his eye,without much fallout.Getting close.

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