Hong Kong Protest Movement Spokesperson Explains Purpose and Intents…

Hong Kong movement spokesperson Sunny Cheung explains what the protests are about, and what the movement hopes to achieve.   Mr. Cheung explains the protesters do not believe in the communist idea, and/or the larger communist ideology; hence their efforts to reach out to the U.S. for support.

More protests and rallies are scheduled for this weekend.

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213 Responses to Hong Kong Protest Movement Spokesperson Explains Purpose and Intents…

  1. Gov Jay says:

    Somebody needs to tell spokesperson Sunny Cheung that the demo☭rats in the USA are essentially the same as the Communists in China…

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    • And possibly A wholly owned susidiary thereof, considering the amount of Chinese money in DC.

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    • dougofthenorth says:

      In my view, these are people of courage, the protestors in HK. They are fighting for what our forefathers fought for. It is as you said, no real fundamental political difference between the two nations, or rather two means to the same end, control, money, and power to the few. But here we fat, lazy, Americans just sit at home in our lazy boys and opine on the web about how someone else needs to fix our problem. There is no justice here either which manifests itself as no real freedom.
      This country really needs a similar revolt in Washington. But our overlords were a little smarter and stole our youth by indoctrination in our schools. Our young ppl today have mush for brains, it appears HK young ppl did not suffer that fate, a miscalculation on the part of the communists in China.

      By the way, I include myself in the criticism.

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      • icthematrix says:

        Indeed, the silent killer was the school’s indoctrination starting with universities, curriculum which then filtered/trained principals and teachers for K-12. This bled into school boards and policies. It was a necessary and unfortunately soft target and, combined with the broader cultural war of the left, created the classic invasion from within.

        This is why justice not rendered is so deadly. There must be a barrier, a firewall, to stop evil. Without it we will slowly collapse into the sinkhole.

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        • jmclever says:

          Don’t forget all of George Soros’ money and PACs to ensure that liberal candidates for even such lowly offices as sherrif and DA are elected so that the rule of law is thwarted and chaos reigns which softens the electorate for rights-eliminating policy in the name of safety and security…

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          • Dutchman says:

            I’ve come to the conclusion, admittedly with no ‘evidence’ to site, that $oro$ is simply an agent of CCP.

            They probably at some point financed his operation, just like Billary and Epstien.

            With Trillions at stake, such operations involving billions, were a small investment in furthering their larger goals.

            Infiltrate, subvert through graft and coersion, key elements of Government, Society and Culture, to ‘undermine the enemy from within’.

            So, for me, when I read $oro$, or Clinton, or deep state I think CCP.

            Brings a certain CLARITY, by simplifying things. Also Rinos, McConnell, etc.

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        • CountryDoc says:

          We must reverse that process and replace in our schools, universities, and governments:
          – Acknowledgement and respect for God, balanced with the freedom to work together to understand His principles.
          – Respect for Law, Constitution, and the history, wisdom, inspiration, and sacrifice that went into building our present Republic.
          – Policies which encourage and support, rather than tearing down family, community, church.

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        • Peppurr says:

          Yup. I first became aware of this when my son was in Grade 4,(years back) when the Book 1984 became a mandatory study. I had some futile arguments with the young teacher.

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    • snellvillebob says:

      You are right of course. The Chinese government lie, cheat, swindle and steal, just like the Democrats in the USA.
      Pay off student loans? Bernie Sanders
      Reparations for slavery? Kamala Harris.
      Will ensure an afterlife? Joe Biden.
      2% estate tax on anyone worth over $50 million? Elizabeth Warren. (bet that 2% becomes 10% in 20 years.)

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      • If Dems get control your 2% will be 80%. At the same time they will nationalize all retirement accounts so they can be properly redistributed so they can fulfill their promise that everyone is entitled to a “safe” retirement. Everyone, that is, except for the people that actually saved for retirement.

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        • snellvillebob says:

          They have already talked about going after IRAs and such as if it is already their money.
          Their retirement accounts will never be attached to the common retirement account or the Deep State will retire them.

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          • annieoakley says:

            The plan is to take your money and replace it with a ‘special’ government bond. It has already been done to the so-called Social Security Trust Fund. JMO

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        • 1stgoblyn says:

          Bill Clinton wanted to tax retirement accounts when he was in office. Fortunately, there were some smart Rs in Congress at the time and his plans went nowhere.

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      • NvMtnOldMan says:

        why is my comment awaiting moderation???? What is wrong with it????

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      • NvMtnOldMan says:

        snell–I replied to your comment this morning as this–I suppose Pocohantis has a net worth of 49 million , just under the wire. I was kicked off for moderation. I asked the moderator why and have never received an answer. What is going on? I have been commenting on here for over 5 years,.

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  2. https://allanfavish.com/index.php/communist-china/118-tian-an-men-square-massacre

    [Myletter to the editor of the Los Angeles Times about a similar event was published in the Los Angeles Times on June 10, 1989, part II, at page 9. The letter was in response to the Tian An Men massacre by Communist Chinese troops.]

    Dear Editor:

    Seeing the televised excerpts of demonstrations at the various communist Chinese embassies and consulates throughout the United States, I noticed that the demonstrators appear to be almost exclusively people of Chinese descent. This disturbs me. Although the fight for freedom in communist China is primarily the responsibility of the Chinese people, it is a fight that should be actively supported by all people who cherish freedom.

    Personally, I believe that if freedom-loving Chinese citizens are willing to take a bullet in the back at Tian An Men Square, the least I can do is demonstrate in support of their cause in front of the Chinese consulate on a safe street in Los Angeles.

    On June 4th I was one of the relatively few Caucasians at the demonstration in front of the Chinese consulate in Los Angeles. A makeshift memorial was assembled consisting of candles, flowers and a makeshift coffin. As I stood near the coffin, a young man of Chinese descent, wearing a black shirt, approached the memorial. On the back of his shirt was the color photograph that appeared on the front page of the Los Angeles Times showing the Goddess of Democracy statue in Tian An Men Square with the large picture of Mao in the background. After leaving a flower near the candles, the young man placed a small American flag on the coffin and quietly walked away.

    My eyes were filled with tears.

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    • I Hear You Now says:

      Allan J. Favish, Esq.

      Moving, thank you!

      And, I went to your web site and saw a few things that make me glad to have you on our side (including the very revealing video of you on Geraldo way back when you were suing to get Vince Foster’s photos released).

      Boy, Lanny Davis and Geraldo were smug and sure that the photos would remain private, weren’t they? Reminds me of lots of other coverups since, including the Justice Antonin Scalia “natural death” with the family “requesting” no autopsy, current Jeffrey Epstein “suicide” being called so quickly before all investigations complete…. and more and more).

      (I’m just guessing on this —>) Seems like you make good money as an attorney doing Insurance Defense etc. and then go to bat for your Country on issues you may or may not be paid for (very much like what our President Trump is doing, actually).

      I’d never heard of you … and that says much more about me, than you, for sure.

      I hope we’ll see more posts from you on CTH. Your perspective is important.

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  3. AnotherView says:

    I have much empathy for the Hong Kong protesters, but if they think Trump will intervene on their behalf they’re sadly mistaken. Trump does nothing against antifa terrorizing his own supporters here in the US. We’ve all but lost our free speech and guns are the next to go. Trump ignores what he does not want to deal with.

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    • Musicman3636 says:

      That orange man is so bad

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    • Ok genius, where’s YOUR plan.

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      • JoeMeek says:

        He may be planing on getting the next flight there to join them. I wouldn’t bet on it though.

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      • ann says:

        The Communist party won’t be the first dynasty to find our governing China is akin to riding a tiger.

        Ruling a vast, overpopulated, industrious empire with tumultous frontiers, multiple ethnic lineages is no picnic.
        The maxim: the larger & more complex a system, , the greater the fail ratio comes to mind. . Repression, aka over engineering, increases the probability of partial to catastrophic breakdowns.

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        • snellvillebob says:

          The more centrally controlled it is the more unstable it is. In a capitalist country, errors, bad judgments, and disasters are usually handled by smaller groups of local people. In a communist country, the top will try to hide them, prop them up, until the dam breaks.

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      • Dutchman says:

        BKR,
        How is it that they just don’t get it, in regards to terminology. Dead giveaway, EVERY time.
        Well, I sure ain’t gonna tell them.
        Personally, I think our VSG, PDJT is doing exactly the right, and best thing to help HK, Taiwan, Nk and the world by breaking the bank of China.

        Far more beneficial, in the long run.
        As for Antifa, their punks. A minor annoyance in the larger scheme of things, and they will go the way of the,Symbionese liberation army. Remember them? Yeah, didn’t think so.

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        • Antifa’s been running amok, multiplying their D-rat accomplices and financiers.

          That sudden designation as Domestic Terrorists will trigger one HELL of a roll0up.

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        • Again Trump is getting all the blame and none of the credit. If it wasn’t for Trump and his policies these protesters wouldn’t have the courage to stand up and fight their government. It’s because of the USA and our strong positions that these freedom fighters are embolden. Trump is walking a tight rope, he is supporting the fighters and trying to give xi the support to fight his own government. There are still many old time hard liners and everyone is pulling for their position. That is why you see tanks rolling . Intimidation! China plays the long game. Unlike the U S who plays the election game!

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        • GB Bari says:

          Sure. The alleged “kidnapping” of Patty Hearst (descendant of the newspaper titan). I remember that farce completely.

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          • Dutchman says:

            Yeah, I was being rhetorical. I knew some of us old farts would remember. Perhaps I should have said “where are they now”?
            Actually, IIRC, their ‘ideology’ was very similar to Antifa.
            Same mindless drivel, masquerading as intellectual thought.

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      • 4gypsybreeze says:

        Agree BKR…..shaking my head……all snark from some…but no plans…just negativity.

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      • j says:

        Think this person gets their plan from shareblue each morning.

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    • JoeMeek says:

      If DJT gets us into a war with China (which he won’t) he would even lose Idaho and Wyoming in 2020.

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    • TexasDude says:

      Trump debounces antifa and publicly supports the Hong Kong protesters.

      And exactly what else do you want him to do?

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    • luke says:

      Well bubba you gotta pick and choose your battles. You can’t fight them all. Hate to say this but having ANTIFA around doing stupid shit actually helps our cause. I’m sure he’s got eyes on those idiots. As for China and HK that is an entirely different matte Very complicated not sure anyone has the answer.

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      • 4gypsybreeze says:

        agree Luke….just like the idiots who were attacking Trump supporters at rallies during the election. They don’t seem to realize that by acting like jerks people are not willing/wanting to be associated with any part of Democrats. The crazier the 1% looney bin crowd acts and the media reports and blows it up…the more rational Conservatives and Trump supporters look.

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      • Joshua2415 says:

        I don’t have an answer for Hong Kong, but I know with certainty that it is NOT our problem. Hong Kong belongs to China. We may not like it, but that is a fact. If we want to do something then we should prepare to accept a wave of LEGITIMATE political refugees.

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    • luke says:

      Well bubba you gotta pick and choose your battles. You can’t fight them all. Hate to say this but having ANTIFA around doing stupid shit actually helps our cause. I’m sure he’s got eyes on those idiots. As for China and HK that is an entirely different matte Very complicated not sure anyone has the answer.

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    • Robert Justice says:

      One of Trump’s most important influences growing up was the minister Norman Vincent Peale the proponent of the power of positive thinking. You might want to read up a little on that AV to get a better idea of how the President thinks and learn some things that may help you in yours, just a friendly suggestion.

      The fate of the Hong Kong people was cast years ago when control of Hong Kong was ceded by the British to China. President Trump is a realist.
      As much as we like freedom, there is nothing we can do to change things. Hong Kong is right on the border of China, there is no way anyone could try to fight the Chinese to protect Hong Kong, and beyond that, the U.S. has no right to interfere. We want less war in the world, not more and that is what Trump promised. We are fighting the Chinese economically and will win if Trump is allowed to stay the course.

      The people of Hong Kong must either adapt to communist China or migrate somewhere else. Life is hard and brutal, the sooner they learn that lesson the better.

      People stand up for their own free speech, we have not lost it. The administration is going to take care of Antifa, they are just giving them enough rope to hang themselves.

      I believe Trump will not sign any laws that restrict gun rights. Bump stock ban doesn’t count, because a bump stock is an absurd accessory. Trump’s idea of rebuilding facilities to care for the mentally ill and drug dependent people that can’t care for themselves is a good one. The crazies can’t get guns if they are secured in an institution.

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      • Dekester says:

        Robert Justice,

        I have worked with Scots, Irish, N.Irish and English that were all police officers in Hong Kong when it was a British protectorate.

        The stories that they told would be difficult for the average “ citizen “ to believe or even comprehend.

        You are absolutely correct. There is nothing military that can be done to assist H.K.

        IMO this is entirely a situation for China.

        The U.S. has more than enough issues of its own.

        God bless PDJT

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      • Joan says:

        I agree with you but please don’t call mentally ill people “crazies.” They have a biological illness, just like cancer or diabetes. They suffer greatly through no fault of their own. I know whereof I speak.

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        • PinotNoir says:

          concur

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        • sturmudgeon says:

          Joan: Your premise seems off-base to me.. (IF your consideration is of the ‘nuts/crazies’ who go to schools and malls and churches, etc., shooting everything they see…) these people are not “suffering” from some mental illness… THEY ARE EVIL! As there does not seem to be any particular ‘age’ at which they decide to “go off”, I believe it has much more to do with moral guidelines that are missing from their Parents, Teachers, and yes, those they ‘look up to’ in sports and politics/leadership… unfortunately, it is also showing up in the speech and actions of some religious leaders. That is where the “brakes” are put on evil thoughts.

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    • 🍺Gunny66 says:

      Just go back under your bridge and look at the Shadows.

      They will tell you what to do……

      Next…..

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    • 13wasylyna says:

      Let’s llok at the reason Trump is reluctant.
      Mitch McConnell holds the key to Trumps ability to pack the courts and hold back legislation that would be devastating to averaga americans but thatthe GOP would gladly support.

      McConnell’s fortune is owed to his wife’s family the Chinese Chaos. There is a delicate dance going on with Trump not acting more aggressively towards the suppression of Hong Kong and holding Mitch is a tight embrace until he can shake him and his power off.

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    • Paula S Daly says:

      Not his job to intervene, and many things, he doesn’t get involved is because, they’re state issues, not federal. That’s the way it works in America. We don’t want him getting involved in everything either. Remember Chicago, Baltimore and LA, San Fran? He talks about the problems, to put pressure on them to clean it up themselves.

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      • GB Bari says:

        To state that this President does not get involved is acutely inaccurate.

        His focus on creating an economic renaissance across the country is highlighted in urban areas by his city-focused programs such as Opportunity Zones, Second Chance, and others.

        President Trump’s campaign pledges to America’s inner city minorities was capped by his request that they change their long held habit of voting DemoncRAT and instead vote for him. His question “What do you have to lose?” was maybe the most sincere and honest question from any politician in a very long time.

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    • ms doodlebug says:

      What is it you think PDJT should do? I don’t think he’s ignoring anything but I think you may be ignoring that Hong Kong was handed over to China, not the U.S.

      We keep hearing that we’ve lost freedom of speech. Yet here we are on this and other public sites saying whatever we want to say whenever we want to say it. Next will be our guns? While it’s not known how many guns are privately owned, the lowest estimate is in the hundreds of millions. You can be sure many are not registered…perhaps even millions. What are they, whoever they are, going to do? Knock on every door and demand we hand over our guns? The bottom line is that any effort at ‘taking our guns’ won’t succeed.

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      • Maquis says:

        Oh, but they are willing to see and perpetrate much bloodshed to make it happen. Tyrants always are willing to make the disobedient pay, and concern not themselves with the sufferings of the innocent.

        That our borders would be flooded with black market gun runners and illicit manufacturing of weapons would be rampant seems not to occur to them.

        The useful idiots ushering in new tyrannies see themselves as indispensible, supposing they will wield the weapons of the state and will wear the jackboots, when in reality they rarely survive the birthing of their creation, the few that do are under those boots themselves.

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  4. bessie2003 says:

    Very brave young man.

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    • gymcy81 says:

      Why is just freely speaking in front of a camera, called ‘brave’.?

      p.s.
      …perhaps there are a lot of others – off camera – waiting and wanting to say the same?
      [So, perhaps it’s the camera operator – and journalist – that are ‘brave’?…and (also) looking over their shoulders etc. today…? ]

      One might think that China would prefer better PR than that interview…
      …but then again, maybe XI and company feels more enlightened by the interview etc. etc. and see’s a potential positive PR opportunity?

      Big country, small steps…. ?

      I do not know

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      • Daniel says:

        It’s brave because they will make an example of him if they get the chance.

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        • Fred says:

          By the word example, you mean kill him when his death will be most advantageous to them.

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        • SKIDROE says:

          Soros and all his cronies should be put in jail and all their money confiscated. I am sick of this man and his whole organization.

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        • sturmudgeon says:

          Daniel: You are correct! People who live here in America (qualify, MOST) have no idea of the courage required to “speak out” when those in Power are KNOWN to place little or no value on the life of those they consider ‘troublemakers’.

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          • sturmudgeon says:

            Further… just look around you as you go about your daily life here in the U.S.A. How many ‘Deplorable shirts’, MAGA, or TRUMP 2020 hats, etc. do you actually see (outside of the rallies) as you go shopping, banking, etc. Most in the country are ‘afraid’ to do it, even though one might get a sly “thumbs up”, or a quiet “like your hat” comment occasionally. IMO, the “support” of little acts of Freedom, should be ‘obvious’, and ‘constant’. P.O.Y. Antifa!

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      • WRB says:

        He is brave because it is likely he will be arrested, moved to the mainland, and never seen again.

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  5. SKIDROE says:

    Personally I don’t think we should get involved. We should probably take care of Chicago, Baltimore, LA, San Francisco and other U.S. cities and while we are at it take care of the cartel in Mexico before we get involved in HC. What about the Arab Muslims enslaving the blacks in Africa or Cuba and Venezuela. We could jump in so many places in this screwed up world if we were the world police. AMERICA FIRST! Spend our money and energy on America Infrastructure. Don’t want to sound mean or insensitive but enough is enough. MAGA!

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    • jebg46 says:

      We must take care of our own citizens and infrastructure first because we haven’t done so since WWII. We rebuilt the world then they robbed us blind.

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      • Kate says:

        jebg46, you are mostly correct but if you have been reading The Tree House and Sundance articles, you would know that after “we rebuilt the world” the past administrations kept pouring our tax payer money to them and never stopped, meanwhile our country continued to get poorer by losing our large industries to countries.

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    • 4whomthebellstroll says:

      “In case there is a loss in cabin pressure, yellow oxygen masks will deploy from the ceiling compartment located above you…..Please make sure to secure your own mask before assisting others”.

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    • Donzo says:

      As long as those cities are sanctuaries violating federal law they shouldn’t get a penny.

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    • bertdilbert says:

      Exactly why should red states pay for poorly run democrat poop holes? Democrat poop hole states that want federal money should give up all legislative rights and turn the lawmaking over to a Trump appointed fixer commission that has the power to make state constitutional changes.

      The people who broke the states cannot possibly fix them. Cut off the money and let the people of those states decide if the democrats are worthy. 🙂

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    • 🍺Gunny66 says:

      You know what “May” stop China from taking over Hong Kong?

      Sundance mentioned it the other day.

      Put a 25% Tariff on all goods leaving Hong Kong

      That is why China is doing this anyway. To get some relief from the Tariffs that are crippling their country. They can do this now thru Hong Kong.

      Otherwise they have no reason to occupy unless it is just to bend the world to their wishes.

      Let’s see how the protestors react to that.
      What is more important?
      Freedom or money?

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      • 🍺Gunny66 says:

        Oh yeah…….How about this.

        If the British (UK) signed the hagreement giving Hong Kong back to China after 99 years, plus 40 more years guaranteed Democratic rule, then the Chinese are now in “violation” of that contract.

        So the British, for all intents and purpose could “terminate” the contract and take Hong Kong back.

        I know……I know…….has to be problems in there someplace…..

        Especially with the British…..but that is another topic

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    • spoogels says:

      ^^^
      Agreed
      Trump should continue utting the economic screws on China
      Whats happening in HK is sad-but it is happening in some other countries too
      And the UN does NOTHING
      Starting a war with China is NOT in our interest
      I think as many people as possible should leave China
      AND tell me, WHERE IS GEORGE SOROS, champion of “FREEDOM” now?
      ow if soeoe can get SOROS behind the scenes to support the uprising financially and otherwise, it would acieve 2 outcomes:
      1. Help the Chinese rebels
      2. Deplete Soros’s assets greatly

      A win win situation

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  6. Tommy says:

    The best thing Trump can do to help the good people of HK is to break China economically through his America first trade policies. A Chinese economy in free fall is the best chance for political change in China and by extension HK liberalisation.

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    • Dutchman says:

      IMHO,
      The protester spokesman did, in effect, respond to PDJT’s suggestion to Xi, that he talk to / negotiate with the protesters, which perhaps was rhetorical.
      The protester was saying “We will NOT negotiate with CCP, because they NEVER negotiate in good faith, NEVER keep their promises!”

      Actually, same position and evaluation of Xi and CCP integrity as PDJT, although he doesn’t say it publically.

      And maybe this,was the point of his little dig at Xi?
      “Gee, Xi, if you guys had developed a track record of being honest in negotiations, and sticking to your promises, you could solve this HK mess in a half hour. Too bad you have consistently done just the opposite, always going back on any commitments you have ever made! SUCKS, doesn’t it?”

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  7. We are already doing what we should be doing, thanks to President Trump. The “trade war” may or may not help the people in Hong Kong to undermine the Chinese government’s grip on power. I think it will be the Chinese nuveau riche who decide what will happen in the long run. In the meantime, MAGA.

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  8. California Joe says:

    Hopefully the Chinese Communists realize that there won’t be a single American CEO or BOD that will allow a dime of its shareholders money to be invested in manufacturing plants in China if they use violence against Hong Kong. President Trump would make certain of it!

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    • umr_engnr says:

      American consumers need to make sure of it. Refuse to buy products produced by a mass murdering totalitarian govt.

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    • Raghn Crow says:

      If the ChiComs really crack down on the HK people, à la Tiananmen Square, it would be a public relations catastrophe for them. They’ve spent years trying to build up their image and that would destroy it, and cripple — yes, I think it would cripple — the Communists here. Venezuela our local Reds can write off at Latin American insanity, but all the ChiComs’ work in rebuilding so much of China with skyscrapers and this and that “Oh how great China is” would be money and effort flushed if they squash HK.

      They might squash ’em anyway. They’re animals, the ChiComs (and I insult animals). What they really want is Taiwan. If they squah HK, however, Taiwan would have every reason to do whatever is necessary to preserve their freedom, including nukes. And who could blame them?

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    • sturmudgeon says:

      California Joe: unfortunately, our Great President is not going to be here forever. The Chinese ‘people’ have had thousands of years of ‘hard times’… don’t know if there will be any substantive change in our lifetimes… they have been ‘around’ a lot longer than ANY ‘free’ Nation.

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  9. Impossible says:

    Dura lex, sed lex: the law is hard, but it’s the law. Hong Kong is China. The opium wars were mercantilism at its ‘best.’ And yet, a war was won, and a contact was agreed to.

    China honored the contact. Great Britain abandoned her children; but at the signing that future was unknown. I greatly respect President Trump’s respect for contract law.

    He appreciates the intense competition, but unlike ‘scuzzy’ politicians despises the practice of sacrificing citizens for the pleasure of power.

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    • No, China did not respect the CONTRACT which spoke in great detail of AT LEAST 50 years of honoring the “two systems” and the democratic identity of Hong Kong.

      The law my purple mountains majesties.

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      • Impossible says:

        I cannot disagree with you on that, and multiple friends of mine from HK (then) said 10 years at the most before those distinctions would begin to ebb away (the subsequent contract).

        I believe Preseident Trump is up against our own gov’t and press in a horrible irony that Clarice Feldman astutely notes in AT today, “ It’s curious that our universities are chocked to the brim with brainwashed students and fourth-rate professors and administrators who hate the U.S. and its Constitution while in Hong Kong people their age are risking their lives for freedom, waving American flags, and wishing they had a Second Amendment right to defend themselves against brutal tyranny.”

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    • Dutchman says:

      There have been far too many changes in the map of the World, particullarly in recent years, for that,(excuse me, but) rediculous legal argument to hold water.
      The aquisition of Eastern Europe, by the Soviet Union, at the end of WW2 was not ‘legal’. Ironically, while King of England said war was to dispute notion that “Might makes Right”, conclusion of the war only confirmed it.

      The Debacle of denuking Ukraine, taking out Quaddafi, and Sodamn Insane, the list goes on and on.

      With PDJT’s advancing his Doctrine, of Economic Security is National Security, and strengthening of the Nation State, he is taking the,World into a NEW ERA.

      Old rules, standards and mores for relations between countries will fall by the,wayside, and we don’t yet know, fully what will take there place.

      Give it 100 years, and we’ll have a pretty good grasp on the effects of the changes he has wrought.

      THATS,the truth of it. Right now, we,are like the,blind men, encountering an elephant, and trying to figure out what it is. Feel the leg, its a tree. Feel the tail, its a rope, etc.

      Only time will enable us to see the big picture. Until then, we are fumbling around in the dark. Still great fun to watch!

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  10. ann says:

    Communism is skin deep, underneath is China’s cultural heritage, millennia of Confucius ethos.
    China’s cultural revolution, Great Leap Forwards are, given two thousand years of rich history, is a bit like clouds passing overhead. The sun remains, although temporarily dimmed.

    Similar to the American people, who jumped at the opportunity in 2016 to repudiate the top down command model of globalist internationalism.

    One cannot eradicate history, despite the speculations of neoMarx determinist doctrines, Frances Fukiyama, or nullify theorems of post modernists.

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    • JoeMeek says:

      I believe it was Confucius who said that an Emperor’s main job was to find government employees who abused their positions and chop their heads off to encourage survivors to be more virtuous. We don’t do that any more, more’s the pity.

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      • ann says:

        Lol. Joe, ✅ Concur w Confucius. A Wise man.

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      • A2 says:

        Well Xi has cut off heads in his perverted notion of what Confucius means, meaning strong arm fascist and Marxist Leninist thought with Chinese characteriists .
        LOL.
        Not.

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        • JoeMeek says:

          It is easy to hate and it is difficult to love. This is how the whole scheme of things works. All good things are difficult to achieve; and bad things are very easy to get.
          – Confucius.

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          • A2 says:

            “Names and essences should correspond” or 正 名, rectification of names.
            For your reading pleasure:
            “Confucius famously says in Analects 13.3 that the first thing to do in conducting state affairs is to “rectify names” — or “correct terms.” Otherwise, he says, “speech will not follow” (yan bu shun 言不順), with the result that “affairs will not be accomplished” (shi bu cheng 事不成), with the result that “rites and music will not flourish,” with the final result that “punishments and rewards will not be appropriate.”

            🤣🤣🤣

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            • Dutchman says:

              Smart guy, this Confuscious.
              He seems to be directly addressing the libertard method of expropriating and defining words to mean what THEY say they mean, like Lewis Carol wrote about.
              “Rascism means exactly and ONLY what I say it means!”
              Apperently this technique of rhetorical legendermane has been around a long time, and smart people, like C and Carrol have recognised it.

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      • spoogels says:

        Xi is worried about his legacy.

        ‘One Belt One Road’ Is Just a Marketing Campaign

        China’s signature project is actually a sweeping, poorly coordinated branding effort posing as an infrastructure

        https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/08/beneath-the-veil-of-xi-jinpings-legacy-project/596023/

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        • Maquis says:

          Interesting take, but dismissing MAGA as parochial populism whilst claiming we are ignoring the Chinese threat is, charitably put, disingenuous.

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      • CountryDoc says:

        Can you find a reference for that quote? How timely!

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      • ms doodlebug says:

        What does Confucius say about firing squads? Less bloody and just as effective…

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    • Daniel says:

      Communism isn’t practiced anywhere in the world. To practice communism, ‘the’ people want to give up their lands and possessions and wealth to the rest of the people. I don’t see where anyone actually wants to do that. What I see is everyone wants everyone but themselves to give it all up. What’s more communism makes everyone equal in terms of rights (not so in any ‘communist nation’ anywhere) and of equal status (not so in any ‘communist nation’ anywhere). I see the label of communism applied but I don’t see it practiced. I see power mad leaders and a whole lot of miserable people. How is that different from any other abusive totalitarian government system?

      Communism is, in fact, only skin deep. The lie is directly beneath it. There is no communism and there never will be. The problem is when people believe the lie.

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      • ann says:

        Aye, Daniel. Human nature is universal,

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        • Maquis says:

          And the mythical goals of Communism will never be achieved upon this earth as a result.

          As alluded above, the myth is merely the cheese in the trap of despotism.

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      • Dutchman says:

        Hence, I call it CONmunism; its a CON, as in “Confidence racket”, because the perpetrator gains the ‘confidence’of the ‘mark’or victim.

        3 card monte, lost wallet, help us catch crooked bank teller, ponzi scam, nigerian email, and Conmunism all follow same pattern.

        Rely on scientificall proven aspect of human nature; when a,STRONG emotional responce is evoked, the critical thinking part of the brain goes dormant or mute.

        Then introduce the cleverly worded lie, take the $ and run. Variation depending on whether short or long con.

        Conmunism, like a,Ponzi scheme, is a ‘long con’, and depends on having SOME of your marks recruit additional marks.

        But, in the end its a SCAM. You CAN can an honest person, actually. Just have to evoke a strong emotion OTHER than greed. The bent bank teller comes to mind.

        Hence my regularly emphasising setting aside EMOTIONS, when making decisions, including opinions and what to believe.
        Anger, for instance is a STRONG emotion, easily evoked. As are revenge, injustice, fear and sympathy/empathy.

        All valid emotions, but all can be used to manipulate opinions and actions.

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  11. Laurie Walker says:

    Shouldn’t the protesters be asking for help from South Korea and Japan, rather than from the US?

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    • A2 says:

      They are asking for the International community to help. Taiwan has given it wholeheartedly. Other nations also. It is not just an ‘Asian issue’ if that is what you are suggesting.

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      • Laurie Walker says:

        Would you explain how Taiwan and “other nations” are helping Hong Kong, because I’ve heard nothing in the press about how Asian countries are interfering with China.

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        • A2 says:

          I don’t know what you mean by ‘interfering in China’. You need to be more specific.

          They have given moral support and in each case worked under their existing laws and international agreements. Like the HK Policy Act in the US.

          Countries that have relationships with Hk, business, financial and otherwise are quietly taking steps. Hong Kong under the Sino-British treaty has retained their membership in covenants with the international community separate from China. That includes customs and other important issues.

          So, if you really want to know, look up the US Hong Kong Policy Act as a first step. Lao Zi said, a journey begins with the first step
          😉

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          • Dutchman says:

            A2,
            Found that terminology,…interesting as well,..”interfering”.
            As usual, you post was appropriately inciteful, thanks.

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          • Laurie Walker says:

            The term (global) interfering is usually either military or economic. Are Hong Kong’s neighbors willing and able?

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            • A2 says:

              You are in speculation and straw man argument mode.
              👎

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              • Laurie Walker says:

                No, I’m in the mode of the American taxpayer and the American military that are done with being daddy.

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                • A2 says:

                  Yes, that is exactly the strawman argument. There is nothing in the HK Policy Act that defines the US as taking military action.

                  So what are you on about?

                  Unless you are suggesting that the President unilaterally abrogate the laws of the US.

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                • GB Bari says:

                  That’s the argument of either a poorly disguised Xi Xingping puppet or a Ron Paul isolationist. Neither approach is successful as they ignore the individual rights of citizens and the inevitable interconnectedness of sovereign nations regardless of trade policy specifics. IMHO President Trump’s strategy and approach is optimum.

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        • sturmudgeon says:

          “nothing in the press’… your point??

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    • WSB says:

      During our revolution, we passed out guns and ammo…asked the French to help, and they did eventually come across the pond…they were pretty late but pivotal. All through, Washington and LaFayette stayed on excellent terms.

      This situation, IMHO, is a bit different, though.

      We had an ocean between King George and us. The New Territories are the only thing separating HK from the mother ship. And HongKongese are probably not armed.

      And we know Xi has tanks…however, it would be really stupid for him to recreate another tank vs unarmed human superhero event.

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  12. A2 says:

    Did you post this sundance just to tease me. 😆 ok la, now it is on Fox. A bit late to the crisis.

    Being cheeky, but what Hk people are protesting is a serious and international matter. I laid it out before the limits and the opportunities the US has in addressing the situation by US law and
    agreements, that means obligations under the HK US policy act. I applauded congress for their new Human rights act efforts, and said there is much the US may do such as sanctioning Chinese officials who violate those acts. Many pRC officials own luxury flats in HK, send their kids to
    expensive prime Universities in the US and Uk, and from the Panama Papers we know that Chairman Xi Mao 2.0 and his family are part of that group. His daughter, from his second wife went to Harvard that accepts Chinese dirty dosh.

    Look at what is happening in Australian Universities, and in London, where the brainwashed, violent PRC students and paid numpties are attacking HK Chinese protesters. It has gone global.

    US academia, especially the DC East coast China so called experts who signed that disgraceful letter saying China is not the enemy, have been totally silent on the HK protests. Tells you who is on the #GreatChinaPayroll. Carnegie Mellon is taking money to support AI surveillance research to Xinjiang soon to be rolled out everywhere in China and on the BRI. look at what is happening in Africa. Then there are the money grubbing US Universities who are not protecting dissenters from the PRC line because they hit their bottom line.

    How about US politicians? It’s all about the money they say. But it is also about who stands for democratic values, freedoms and our constitution, or those who want to destroy us. uS China partners in the biggest crimes in the twenty-first century.

    I can post links to all of my assertions. Have done it before, not so much today. Just a few.

    Read these reports:
    On how the protest have evolved. And on Chinese propaganda and twitter hypocrites.

    https://english.cw.com.tw/article/article.action?id=2500

    https://thehill.com/opinion/cybersecurity/457772-doj-should-take-action-against-chinas-twitter-propaganda?amp&__twitter_impression=true

    On Australia. ( vile beyond belief)
    https://amp.smh.com.au/politics/federal/government-mps-sound-alarm-over-chinese-government-influence-at-australian-universities-20190817-p52i3i.html?__twitter_impression=true

    On Canada (they have 300k Canadians in HK ).
    https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/significant-and-clear-threat-what-canadas-spy-chief-says-about-china-behind-closed-doors#click=https://t.co/4S659GutwL

    My Message to the President?
    加油!

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    • JoeMeek says:

      Any extra effort made should be to stay out of what is not our affair.

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      • A2 says:

        Hello Joe Meek the I don’t read anything. What did I just say? We have the HK Policy Act and may work within it. You do know there are 60 k US citizens in Hong Kong? We have an interest and it is spelled out in law.

        Spare me your, I’m only here to buy soy sauce 打酱油argument.

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        • JoeMeek says:

          You are very nasty tempered and even more entitled and arrogant to say the least. You have no more tolerance for someone who doesn’t second your every emotion than the members of The [Hate] Squad do. Maybe even less. Time will tell. You are certainly the closest thing on CTH to them that I’ve ever seen.

          As to soy sauce, I tried a little of the damn stuff once and almost threw up. If you feel so strongly about Hong Kong, China, join the ‘protestors’ there and keep those who care here up to date on your accomplishments. Also, that way you could annoy some member of the PLA instead of me.

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          • A2 says:

            You just don’t get it, a metaphor in Chinese for people who are disengaged and only want To slide through. so, ad hominem is your way to go. Not my problem, it is yours. Want to keep pursuing the personal attacks? Your choice.

            Make it a good one.

            🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

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            • JoeMeek says:

              You charge me with ad hominem and personal attacks when it was your multiple ad hominems and personal attacks I was responding to. Don’t you even read what you write ??? You need to look in the mirror as you project like an Hyper-Alinsky, accusing someone else of what you just did, and right after you did it.

              You are like Hillary Clinton accusing Donald Trump of Russian collusion and then thinking he can’t respond back or he is the bad and guilty one. You are a totally dishonest to the point of absurdity person and one who is also trying to undercut President Trump in his diplomatic dealings with China. If I wanted to experience your level of dishonesty and hypocrisy and your level of ad hominem and personal attacks, I would go over to HuffPo where I would expect to find it. .

              Now, goodbye, as you are worse than a waste of time.

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        • Kate says:

          A2, I agree with you due to the fact my daughter and her husband have lived ih HK for the past 4 years, he flies fir Fed Ex, she has been coming home during the summer due to the intense heat over there.
          She was to return on the 20th of this month but has cancelled her ticket and is not sure about returning at this time.
          I don’t know how official this is but Fed X is concerned enough about it’s people, they decided a day ago to pay for tickets home for the employee’s families if they so choose
          We want them all to be safe..

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      • Daniel says:

        How is our support of Israel different from someone’s desire to help a free people remain free?

        I support Israel because they are a free people who share ideals with us. And they factually practice those ideals. (This is unlike the UK where freedom is absolutely messed up there and we don’t really share practiced ideals)

        Interestingly, I once thought “Israel should be allowed to stand on its own” but can they with their present surroundings? Not just several ‘enemy nations’ but en entire political ideology surrounding them and wanting them dead?

        From that standpoint, I see strong parallels between Israel’s position and that of Hong Kong as well as Taiwan. China makes a lot of claims of rights. But the right to oppress people is not a God given right — not ever. I can’t find it in my heart to view otherwise or to accept “well, those people are already owned slaves under China and they can do what they want.” Is that really the position of a free people here?

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    • A2 says:

      Oh, a footnote. Chairman Xi Mao2.0 is not only corrupt, he only has a middle school education. He was benefited by the Party (as a Princeling) giving him an engineering degree, without any merit. President Trump is far better educated than he.

      Xi and Trump gained their experience on the mean streets. Xi on the hammer and sickle. President Trump on how the system was rigged against America as he made billions building his enterprises.

      Xi, doubled down to authoritarian and Leninist Stalinist neo-imperialist, feudal, fascist ideology to shape his country.

      President Trump, on the Constitution and making and keeping our citizens safe, prosperous, free and great again.

      That is the message to the rest of the world. Not surprising people who love freedom hear the call.

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      • Dutchman says:

        A2,
        Xi and the CCP are brutal, heartless regime, comparable with Stalin, Pol pot, hell Ghengis Khan.

        The west has been riding the tiger, pretending like tienamen didn’t happen, BECAUSE of the endemic corrupting influence on all aspects of western society.

        I agree with posters above, if they crack down like Tienamen, I don’t think the corrupt can simply issue meaningless condemnations, and go back to business as usual.

        The Panda face comes off, Xi loses.
        On the other hand, a brutal dictatorship only maintains its power, thru perception. If it shows weakness, doesn’t ‘crack down’ to brutally suppress any dissent, its over.

        So, how do YOU think Xi ‘squares the circle’?

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        • A2 says:

          Well you have sort of answered your own question. So far, controlling HK officials, massive propaganda campaigns in HK , most importantly in China (their real fear) and internationally. Building up riot police in Shenzhen ( making a lot of noise so foreign journalists will cover it , lol) as a threat. And Chinese diplomats blowing off their counterparts in capitals throughout the world. Britain a case in point.

          There are interesting cracks. The HK police chief said there is no evidence of foreign black hands involved in the protests aka as US interference, which runs contrary to what the PRC has been pushing , especially the Global Times.

          It is asymmetric warfare as they say, disinformation, mis info so far.

          Mostly it is aimed at mainlanders. Can’t have the economic downturn set off umbrella protests. There is so much pent up frustration it is a prime breeding ground for dissent. So far, labelling and pushing Nazi style propaganda is the route they are pushing.

          President Trump’s tweets on Xi was hilarious and really put him on his left foot.

          🤣🤣🤣

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          • Dutchman says:

            Phone acting up, so going a different way. Is the mainland getting any push bsck, on the black hand bs, and are mainlanders buying it?
            I am starting to wonder if HK protests could be CCP’s ‘Velvet’ revolution? I notice singing is even one of the protesters techniques.

            While PDJT shakes at the cracks in their financial system, HK protesters are working the cracks in social system.

            Could this cause the house of cards to fall?

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            • A2 says:

              No way to tell about the house of cards falling, though bringing up real estate is a clue. The property market, where people have invested their savings and borrowed up to the back of beyond and that includes local governments, is falling precipitously according to all the dodgy data we have. Most analysts think it’s tanking much further.

              As for the great propaganda push, it is backfiring, because on social media outside of China, Chinese are pushing back. hK, Taiwan, and Chinese ’huaqiao’ communities, are internet savvy, have better memes and debunk CCP propaganda. Although the Wumao are nasty and vile beneath contempt. if you are Chinese, they are even more vile.

              That backfires, big-time. Like the dims and the lefties and their armed wing Anti-fa and so on.

              So, US policy, resetting the global economic dynamic, is probably the biggest stick in keeping the tanks away from HK. Posturing and Potemkin villages comes to mind. When the Brits invaded Shanghai during the so-called Opium Wars, the Qing military put up strawman Defense, phoney fortifications, at the Wusung forts, to try and fool them. It was iconic as to how far the great, and expansionist Qing empire had fallen.

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              • Dutchman says:

                I had read that, about the housing market, but frankly there,are,so many cracks in the fascade, I temporarily forgot that one.

                The parrallels between the CCP of China, and the CCP of US, is startling. Got that whole insanity of repeating behavior with different expectations, nose cutting to spite face, and most of all faceplanting.

                A death of a1000 fractures. And the dynamic of must crack down to maintain control/ can’t crack down cause of global reset must be driving the middle school engineer bat guano crazy! Its a paradox,..no solution, and time only makes it worse.
                Sit down and talk with them, my good friend Xi. LISTEN to what they have to say,…

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                • Raghn Crow says:

                  “Got that whole insanity of repeating behavior with different expectations, nose cutting to spite face…”. Well, if they really believe their Communist nonsense — the basic Leftist anthropology, in other words, how Leftism/Socialism is “the future” and we’re “evolving”, etc. — then no wonder they’re “stuck on stupid.” They’d have to rethink their entire metaphysics, you might say. As they’ve “sold their soul” to a false god and done horrible things in the name of that deity, they can’t possibly recast their entire worldview. They’ve paid too heavily for it. Extinction is thus their doom. The question is how much damage they cause and how many people they slaughter in the process of going extinct.

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                • Dutchman says:

                  Traditionally, there are different levels to the hierarchy, and the level detirmines the belief. Top level, like a pyrimid scam, KNOWS its a con, ideology is just b.s. to fool the masses, so entirely maleable.
                  Below that are hard core believers, and below that the useful idiots.

                  Both believe, and repeat by rote. I assume the same hierarchical model applies with this “New, Improved Globalism” thats really the same old crap sandwich, with a brand new wrapper.

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              • Dutchman says:

                A2;
                Sorry, can’t post link. AmericanThinker article, Sunday. “What real weakness looks like: Democrat palaverings on Hong Kong”

                After taking the,Democrat candidates to the woodshed, for their non responce responces, she lays out a suggested responce for PDJT.

                Rescind the act that makes HK treated different than mainland, etc.
                I suspect this aligns,with your earlier posts, I am still reading through the links you posted earlier.

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              • Dutchman says:

                Doing my a.m. reading, and I always start with AmericanThinker. Finding lead article “Clarices Pieces” also mentions revoking “Hong Kong
                Policy Act”, and also explores the tactical situation, as not being favorable for a crackdown.

                The tactics and strategies the HK protesters have developed are ingenious, and merit serious study.

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          • bruzedorange says:

            A2, I have an emotionally difficult question to ask, because I realize I call into question the veracity and integrity of Sunny Cheung, the young man in the video. He is either brave to the point of martyrdom, or…

            Given that Xi and the CCP’s best chance at economic and political survival now is to defeat Trump in 2020, is it plausible that PLA intel would encourage or infiltrate the HK protests to beseach Trump with public cries for help, knowing that he can’t / won’t respond with anything that would immediately resolve the situation to freedom’s advantage?

            Their goal would be to create a firestorm of disappointment among the Deplorables, that Trump is not a freedom-lover, maybe just a free market lover. Sowing disaffection and discouragement among Trump’s voter base would not be a bad strategy. We can be sure there are plenty in the 4th Estate who would eagerly support that agenda, with or without compen$ation from China.

            So to ask another way, A2, could HKs pleas for immediate intercession from the US be misguided out of naivete, desperation, or covert intent?

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      • Nordic Breed says:

        Thank God for you, A2 being on this site. I am so tired of the commenters here who obviously didn’t watch what the young man said in the video and are making really stupid comments about military intervention on the part of the US, etc. He asked that pending human rights laws be passed in our Congress and that existing laws be followed. He condemned communism outright as evil, and made the valid point that the US has interests in Hong Kong, and not small at that.

        Before opening mouth, or typing on keys, it would be good if people here had a strong working knowledge of Mao and everything he did, and how Xi is truly Mao 2.0, right down to his lack of education. Xi’s methods may be slightly different, but the intended outcome is the same. “Mao, The Untold Story” by Jang Chung and Jon Halliday is available from Kindle and so is Bella Dodd’s “School of Darkness”. Those books are good starters along with George Orwell’s “1984” and “Animal Farm”. Lest anyone turn up his nose at the history of how communism operated in the past and how it just couldn’t be possible for it to act the same way today, one need only pay attention to Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, the Squad, and other notorious members of our sad and traitorous Congress who clearly, by their actions, believe we ordinary Americans are highly expendable and want to control every aspect of our lives. We complain vociferously about the media who are water carriers for the communists, at least that’s how I see them, useful idiots for sure.

        I support the Hong Kong people in prayer and believe their cause to be righteous. I trust that our VSGPDJT will be graced by God to make the right decisions because so many of us are praying for him daily. I have confidence that his experience, his obvious reliance on God, and his knowledge of the writings of Lao Tse along with his pure authenticity as a human being will guide him to make good decisions.

        A2, your comments are always useful to me. Keep them coming. A request I have is this: I am ignorant of Chinese letters and language, so when you post the words in Chinese, would you always give us the translation. I am eager to learn.

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        • Maquis says:

          Check out the Linguee App. I use it for French and German and today added Chinese, cuz A2 of course! It’s a very useful dictionary that includes examples of a word or phrase’s use in multiple literaty examples.

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    • GB Bari says:

      Thank you A2 for your substantive (as always) observations and source links for verification. The US and Globalist eneMedia are doing their best to conceal the facts and obfuscate the truth. Absent Sundance’s articles and your knowledge of Asian geopolitics and economics, I’m not sure we’d be 1/10th as informed on the issues.

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    • Maquis says:

      Faster! 🖖

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  13. Willy Nilly says:

    They say they’re fighting for their future, but only 28 years are at stake. The UK/China agreement in 1997 returned Hong Kong to China but specified special status for HK for 50 years. That expires in 2047. 22 years have passed, just 28 years are left, after which HK becomes a normal internal Chinese city. The protestors are fighting for just 28 years and they’re about to lose that too, the way they’re going. Take a bullet in the back for a 28-year period? No Thanks. Nothing for us to do here, move on.

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  14. Ben says:

    Greetings from a treeper who lives in Hong Kong

    We are now 10 weeks into a massive and growing civil movement that began as a response to poor governance, but has now developed into a broader resistance to colonialism. Hong Kong was a British colony until 1997, and is now a Chinese colony. While the Chinese government has promised Hong Kong a “high degree of autonomy”, in practice this is being eroded. People in Hong Kong do not want independence, but they do want to retain the civic freedoms which they have been promised.

    In this latter sense, the protests in Hong Kong are unusual because they are protests to /keep/ something rather than to /gain/ something. People are forced to wear masks when they attend protests because the Chinese government is feeding all faces and other information into their national database. The reason protesters were so upset in Hong Kong airport last week was because two undercover police from China were discovered (one posing as a demonstrator and one as a member of the press) taking photos of protesters faces.

    One remarkable feature of the protests is the restraint shown by demonstrators in the face of continued harassment and provocation from the police, who have used unneccessary force including regular use of tear gas in densely populated residential areas. While international media often portray violence “on both sides”, they have not shown the protesters returning the following morning to clean up debris and tidy up the streets! Example: https://nextshark.com/hong-kong-protest-clean-up/

    A particular concern as sundance mentioned in a previous post is the authoritarian requirement that companies can no longer be politically neutral, but must be positively pro-China. Most recently, the excellent CEO of Cathay Pacific airlines, based in Hong Kong, was forced to resign after he refused to divulge to the Chinese government the names of employees who had joined a one-day city-wide strike earlier this month. Other multinationals have been forced to post pro-China messages or face being shut out of China.

    One other new policy is on the border between Hong Kong and mainland China, through which up to a million people pass each day, the immigration authorities in China are now checking mobile phones including photos and messages. https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/politics/article/3022828/chinese-immigration-officials-inspect-hongkongers-phones

    For some years now, a common lament in Hong Kong has been “this city is dying”, because of the encroachment of authoritarianism and the loss of civic freedoms. Now, people say this city will not die without a fight!!

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    • Sigh2016 says:

      I’m praying for you and the citizens of Hong Kong, Ben! Thank you for providing us the details of what you’ve seen.

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    • A2 says:

      Yes indeed.

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    • ann says:

      The Silicon Valley tech companies ongoing collaboration with China’s police state is germane.
      Exposing this & similar interconnections to global audiences would give Hong Kong leverage.
      We are entering an era of increasing grass root support for movements against intrusive mega governmental structures,
      linking western profiteers as allies of authoritarianism has political legs.

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      • Dutchman says:

        Exactly. I am thinking thus is all part of Gods plan. These HK protests, coinciding with PDJT’s “trade war”, is a one two punch.

        And yes, it is exposing Chinas COLLABORATORS, and low and behold, it is the same entities opposing PDJT.

        The press are exposing themselves as nit just

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        • john says:

          Dutchman you can add the armyworm and pig ebola to that one two punch. They are all contributing to the weakening of the abhorrent Chinese government and their tech and business collaborators . It is coming together like a storm to sweep away tyranny.

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          • Dutchman says:

            Yeah, there it is, again. There are so many problems coming at Xi, I can’t keep em all straight.
            Yes, this and the fact China can’t feed its own people, AND oh, yeah! ENERGY. They need to import energy, as well as food.
            Whilst we need,….NOTHING.
            Boy are they screwed.

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          • PinotNoir says:

            A sign the chicoms are losing the mandate of heaven.

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    • 4gypsybreeze says:

      Thank you Ben for the explanation.

      Many of us are watching closely the developments in Hong Kong. I personally want to see your fight for freedom won.

      Prayers for you and all the others protesting.

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    • I Hear You Now says:

      retweeted by MAGA attorneys @Barnes_Law and @RonColeman

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      • CountryDoc says:

        Is this on the wrong topic? Perhaps better on another thread?

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        • wondering999 says:

          Country Doc, Google/Eric Schmidt & Co. are part of the suppression of people in Hong Kong, in China, and here. The collusion of Silicon Valley with PRC is most definitely on-topic, as I understand it

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  15. Graham Pink says:

    Sunny’s days are about to get a lot darker.

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    • 1stgoblyn says:

      Explain pls, who is Sunny?

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      • Graham Pink says:

        You type with a braille keyboard?
        Being blind is the only explanation I can come up with for your comment.

        Hong Kong movement spokesperson Sunny Cheung explains what the protests are about, and what the movement hopes to achieve.

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  16. MicD says:

    Or communist China must accept a free Hong Kong.

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  17. curator55 says:

    Vancouver, B.C. Canada has a very large Asian–Canadian pop’n (soon may be a majority) and many are from either from Hong Kong or Mainland China. (and other Asian countries) This might be only the 1st counter march in the city as the conflict continues. So far these were 2 peaceful but often loud counter protests but if the situation in HK heats up….

    Global News–“Supporters for Hong Kong waved banners calling for an end to police violence in the semi-autonomous Chinese territory, while Beijing supporters carried Chinese flags and demanded an end to the protests altogether. The dueling demonstrations mirrored those that took place in Hong Kong itself this weekend, as well as in several other Canadian cities and dozens more around the world.”

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  18. Vince says:

    President Trump is encouraging Xi to come to a peaceful resolution in Hong Kong, but he always praises Xi as a worthy leader. Xi needs a face saving way out of his conflict with the US. While Hong Kong is not part of the US – China trade conflict, a successful resolution to it would be great for Xi politically inside China and outside. This would be the way to recover “face” for Xi, so we might see movement on both of these at the same time.

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    • Publius2016 says:

      it is possible that Xi is in control?

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      • Raghn Crow says:

        You never know with these thugs. And they don’t often know, themselves. Stalin’s Party enemies in the 1920s — like Trotsky — thought they were in control till Stalin buried them; Stalin himself thought he was in control till his pillow suffocated him; Khrushchev thought he was in control…Brezhnev….and so on and so on.

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    • scrap1ron says:

      President Trump knows how to play Panda Mask Kabuki Theater.

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    • WRB says:

      HK may be a part of the US-China trade negotiations, in the sense that violent repression of HK by China may ruin the negotiations. Such a step would be a good excuse for POTUS to walk away from negotiations and hike tariffs, if that is what he wants to do… and I have the impression that is in fact his preference, to break away from China.

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    • sturmudgeon says:

      Vince: Do NOT trust commies! ‘repeat 100 times’.

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  19. anthohmy says:

    Do I detect some tongue in Sundance’s cheek?

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  20. chickenhawk says:

    Interesting situation in Hong Kong and how the rest of the world reacts. I believe PDJT knows how to handle the situation, as he has demonstrated his ability so far through his administration. I believe the solution is economic, not military, and the world watches as China has to decide if they can risk further eroding of their economic/monetary situation. Where will China be if no one buys their products?

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  21. GSR says:

    Sorry young man but Hong Kong is part of China. It’s not like Taiwan, which has a different history.
    Hong Kong gave up British rule in 1979 – now you have to live with the consequences.

    Only a Neocon would be foolish enough to believe the United States should get involved in an internal situation within the PRC. You Chinese need to work things out for yourselves.

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  22. Publius2016 says:

    the movement in Hong Kong has now been taken over…we do not know their purpose but they are following the antifa blm sjw path…
    Occupying Airports, trains, highways, ports, etc…will be met with scorn…

    What is the endgame in HK? Taiwan??

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  23. GSR says:

    Correction, typo. 1997, not 1979.

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  24. scrap1ron says:

    Trusting the Chicoms to keep their word is your first mistake.

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  25. M Droy says:

    Anyone know why they are upset about the extradition treaty?
    Anyone even heard the media discuss it, or who HK has existing treaties with?
    Anyone ever wondered why Snowden had to dash from HK?

    HK has extradition treaties with US, UK, India, all of EU, but not China or Taiwan.
    Makes the protests seem rather artificial doesn’t it.
    https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2019-china-hong-kong-extradition-pacts/?fbclid=IwAR24Yavhe3TWG1hQ84rNHies3xHEYWMA3iI2Jb7Yst0wUIVIyteagu5uyt8

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    • WRB says:

      When millions come out into the streets, you cannot call the protest “artificial”. As to why extradition to China is unpopular, common sense suggests that “trouble makers” will be much less safe in HK if China can have them arrested and spirited out of the city.

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      • Nordic Breed says:

        Plus, those spirited out of the city are often quickly given a one way ticket to the afterlife with no fanfare, no fair trial, and no appeal. That is the communist way. People in the US have NO idea the extent and horror of the human rights violations going on in communist China and North Korea, its subordinate state. China has dishonored its agreements with Britain and the Hong Kong government and will continue to do so unless stopped by Divine intervention using human hands. And I don’t mean military intervention. I’m sure most people have heard the expression, “There’s more than one way to skin a cat.” Our VSGPDJT knows many of them. Peace.

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        • Raghn Crow says:

          “There’s more than one way to skin a cat.” Indeed. And I think a little-talked about but massive issue is Christianity in China, on the mainland. The PRC has been brutally persecuting Chinese Christians for the last few years and such brutality troubles not merely the Christians themselves, but the general populace, as Diocletian’s persecution of Christians did in Ancient Rome. That made no one happy, and it backfired, massively. Perhaps so, too, the current Chicom persecution has the potential to turn a large segment of the mainland population (in key regions and cities) against the government — A2 above was writing that many on the mainland are not buying the government’s lies any longer.
          We certainly need to keep praying!

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          • Maquis says:

            Indeed, pray, and please include the 100-million strong peaceful Falun Gong who are being persecuted in wsys not even the Nazi murderers could imagine, forced organ harvesting to supply an on-demand transplant industry. You want a new organ, come pay for it and you’ll be right as rain in no time, whilst an innocent chinese citizen is brutally destroyed to enable it. It is as monstrous as it gets.

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      • sturmudgeon says:

        Have not the CCP already “in the dead of night” spirited away some VERY rich HK guy that was speaking ‘out of turn’ in HK, and kidnapped him to the Mainland?

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  26. Sharpshorts says:

    I think the protesters “get it”, in a world where so many have forgotten.
    They think they are fighting for their future…
    IMO so are we Americans…beginning to fight for ours…again.

    Hong Kong spokesperson Mr. Cheung (as best as I could understand)
    “…the nature of the Communist party is wicked and evil…that’s why we will not
    negotiate a [* * *] situation with the Communist party…we do not have faith [in] them…”
    [* * * ]at 1:38 I am unable to make out a few of his words

    All totalitarianism systems (or what ever you decide to call them) would just as soon kill as breath.
    You cannot petition evil.

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  27. scrap1ron says:

    Well Sunny, your social credit score just hit negative infinity.

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  28. sarasotosfan says:

    We would love to help you, and we are, but we are also fighting for our Democratic future. We will continue to press China to stop IP theft, the forced transfer of technology, cyber intrusions, product and material dumping, currency manipulation, state support payments and the exporting of drugs like fentanyl.

    Hope this helps!

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  29. SKIDROE says:

    Taiwan Is helping by buying 8 billion $ in aircraft fighters from U. S. A.

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  30. ruckustom says:

    China’s ruling communist party has some major problems. Their economy is slowing down due to someone, finally, telling them “no more” to their unfair trade advantages; the Hong Kong protesters are showing the mainland Chinese that they can protest the communist government; and the slowing economy is going to impact their fledgling middle class. The people aren’t going to like it when they can’t afford their shiny new phones, cars, property investments, tvs, vacations, etc. and the communist party won’t be able to blame foreigners forever especially when they use a heavy hand in Hong Kong.

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    • scrap1ron says:

      The Chicoms also aren’t squeamish about running people over with tanks and making the survivors and their families disappear. When push comes to shove political appearances take a backseat to maintaining their power. They have problems, but committing acts of brutality isn’t off the table for them.

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  31. Yes, Keep fighting for Take Back Hong kong from communist china’s,

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  32. Fools Gold says:

    The Hong Kong people are gonna need lots of guns, ammo, souls and leaders for their civil war efforts. Peaceful protesters will never work against a powerful communist government such as CHINE Na.

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  33. Musicman3636 says:

    Strangest thing just happened… I commented on this thread and then within 12 hours someone viewed my LinkedIn profile from Hong Kong 🤔

    Are they watching and monitoring, or coincidence? Suspicious cat is very suspicious…

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  34. rojobirds says:

    This Taiwanese-American family stands with the HK protesters. President Trump is doing the right thing implementing tariffs & threat of more tariffs to break the economic back of China. This stance can only help HK and Taiwan.

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    • That was what I was about to post; the tariffs are hurting the economy of China and if the economy collapses there will be a revolution of some sorts. Perhaps HK would be able to break away completely, while the rest of China could break apart also.

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  35. Mike in a Truck says:

    Not long now. Watch.The NeoCons/NeoLibs will be wrapping themselves in the Flag. “Their fight is our fight.Their war is our war”. They will call for a massive build up in Taiwan as a jump point. Nope. Not falling for it. We are not the stupid people anymore. Let Asians die for Asians.Let Japan,South Korea,Vietnam etc. “Free” Hong Kong. Anyone here thinks it’s our fight should saddle up and lead the charge. I hear the Army is hiring.I’ve had a belly full of war for stupid causes.

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  36. AccountabilityPlease says:

    Hong Kong’s fate was decided a long time ago. People who thought the PRC would give HK “special status in perpetuity” were deluding themselves. Don’t even think about asking my sons to liberate them.

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  37. It’s not either war or nothing.

    If any movement deserves support, short of any boots on the ground involvement, Hong Kong-ers do.

    Mark my words, sooner or later (not far from now) our mercurial, prodigious, resourceful President will find ways of supporting Hong Kong beyond asking Butcher Xi to be “humane”.

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  38. lfhbrave says:

    This student, like many of his peers, has idealistic yet unrealistic expectation of what the West could do to support HK besides moral support. Their courage is admirable in the face of the tyrannical Chinese government. The Chinese government by its nature will not, and understandably cannot, allow this to continue unabated and spread into the mainland, just like the Tiananmen Sq. 30 years ago. I am afraid the only outcome of their courageous act in the end would be to show the world, like 30 years ago, how evil the Chinese communist government is and nothing more.

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  39. CNN_sucks says:

    The idiots of antifa should learn from HK protesters. The real thugs are antifas and joining are excuses to beat up people like stormtroopers did.

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  40. CNN_sucks says:

    Mao has killed 100mill in his cultural revolution. HK has 7 mill, so easy to replace and send them to gulag. s/. Also another problem, google is in bed with commie of china. How many times are they lecturing us that should be like china?

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  41. Pat Thomas says:

    Here’s the real problem. Hong Kong will be governed by communist mainland in 2047.

    Mainland is communist while Hong Kong has a limited democracy. Both share President Xi Jinping of China as their chief of state. However, each has its own head of government. At midnight on June 30/July 1, 1997, the crown colony of Hong Kong officially reverted to Chinese sovereignty, ending 156 years of British rule. Great Britain had acquired Hong Kong Island from China in 1842, when the Treaty of Nanking was signed at the end of the first Opium War (1839-42).

    “The Basic Law” came into effect on 1 July 1997 in Hong Kong when the sovereignty over Hong Kong was transferred from the United Kingdom to the People’s Republic of China, replacing Hong Kong’s colonial constitution of the Letters Patent and the Royal Instructions

    The Basic Law of the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region of the People’s Republic of China is the constitution of the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region and a national law of the People’s Republic of China comprising nine chapters, 160 articles and three annexes, the Basic Law was adopted on 4 April 1990 by the Seventh National People’s Congress and signed by President Yang Shangkun.

    Under The Basic Law, Hong Kong would continue its capitalist system and way of life for 50 years after 1997, ending in 2047 and then coming under mainland’s rule.

    Hong Kong defers to mainland China in two primary areas: military defense and international relations. Hong Kong may not maintain its own military; the mainland manages the military defense of Hong Kong. The Hong Kong Special Administrative Region may not maintain any separate diplomatic ties with foreign countries.

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  42. John55 says:

    There’s not a lot we can do for them, unfortunately. Hong Kong is technically and legally a part of China. We can’t interfere in their intenal affairs.

    The British signed an agreement with with the Chinese government regarding Honk Kong (the “Basic Law”) but that gives us no rights to intervene and imposes no responsibilities on us to do so.

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  43. NvMtnOldMan says:

    After over 5 years why am I not allowed to comment ????????????

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  44. frank field says:

    Honestly sad for you. The U.K. sold you out. Cry out to them to bail you out.

    UNLESS OF COURSE, YOU WANT TO CONTROL YOUR OWN FUTURE.

    Honestly sad for you. FIGURE IT OUT.

    AMERICA IS NOT COMING TO FIX YOU.

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