U.S. Intelligence Positions Hong Kong as Proxy Conflict With China – Thankfully President Trump Sees Trap…

The situation in Hong Kong is a geopolitical dynamic that will likely become much more volatile in the next few weeks, months and/or years.  One constant in an ever-changing universe is how the UniParty in DC will attempt to drag the U.S. into the issues.

First, Hong Kong is China.  Whether a generation of people look back with regret to the time when Great Britain ceded the territory to Beijing is irrelevant.  China has, and will have, full control over Hong Kong; and that’s the way it is.  This will not be reversed.

Any effort for the people within Hong Kong to reverse the situation and escape the clutches of oppressive communism while retaining their liberty will only lead to massive bloodshed.

Unfortunately for Hong Kong, as President Trump decouples the U.S. economy from the duplicitous communist Chinese enterprise, Beijing will grasp more control over the heavily Western-influenced economic strata in/around Hong Kong.

Stand back and look at the bigger picture.  President Trump has neutralized, essentially made irrelevant, Beijing’s use of their proxy province, North Korea.  President Trump has embraced Kim Jong-un, not as much out of a position of warmth – but rather as a tactic to block China from weaponizing the DPRK as leverage during the U.S-China trade confrontation.

Beijing still uses their influence to shoot rockets, test missiles etc and president Trump ignores it now.  Why?  Because North Korea already has nuclear missiles; they’re the same nuclear missiles China has… and it is silly now to think China will remove their nuclear missiles to gain an economic benefit.

If U.S. policy isn’t trying to remove nuclear weapons from China, then why would U.S. policy try to remove nuclear weapons from the DPRK.?  They’re the same nukes.

Losing their DPRK leverage, and understanding Beijing has no direct tools to defeat the U.S. in an direct economic confrontation, means China will look elsewhere. That’s where Hong Kong comes into play.

[Always remember, despite the U.S. tariffs on China, there are no tariffs on Hong Kong]

Do we feel sympathy watching a once free society slip into the grips of an oppressive and totalitarian system now ruled by a communist dictator for life in Chairman Xi Jinping?  Sure we do.  But they made these choices decades ago… now they have the consequences.

If Hong Kong tries to resist Beijing, they will be crushed.  Hundreds more will be arrested and disappeared.  Thousands, perhaps tens of thousands, will be killed.  There is already a ongoing flight of wealth out of Hong Kong as the smart and wealthy position their assets overseas to survive the arrival of Beijing’s storm troopers.

The future for Hong Kong is dark.  It is not going to end in anything resembling what exists today.  Hong Kong will be Beijing 2.0, and will be entirely dominated by Chinese authoritarian rule.  The difference in 2019 is the speed at which it is happening.

Things are speeding up now in direct proportion to the severity of the U.S. decoupling our economy from China.   As the Chinese economy weakens, Beijing will get more desperate.

Many voices around President Trump will cry out for intervention.  The UniParty will demand intervention and decry President Trump’s instinct to stay away from the self-made crisis.

It is not our issue; and engaging in Hong Kong only opens up another pathway for China to play the duplicitous leverage game…. Beijing will play the “we’ll spare, delay, or dilute the Hong Kong absorption, if you agree to our trade terms” game. [lies, lies, lies]

President Trump needs to engage with China and Hong Kong as one nation, under one rule, with one motive and intent.   Trying to win a Chinese trade conflict while parsing the economy of China from the economy of Hong Kong, is like trying to parse the nukes in China from the nukes in North Korea.

Hong Kong is lost.  Hong Kong belongs to China.  Thousands of Hong Kongers will be killed or disappeared into camps as Beijing absorbs the region.  The U.S. cannot continue to engage globally in an effort to protect nations from the consequences of their own decisions.

If Great Britain wants to send an armada of battle ships to warn Beijing against aggression with Hong Kong, then we should support.  Wait… wha?  Oh, Great Britain no longer has a Navy because the high-minded EU collective wanted to hold hands and sing ‘we-are-the-world’ instead of planning to defend its interests for the past twenty years….  I digress.

Hong Kong is not our issue.

The CIA will try to make it our issue.  The State Department will try to make it our issue.  The UniParty in DC will try to make it our issue.  John Bolton will try to make it our issue. Activists in Hong Kong will try to make it our issue.  All of the far-left globalists will try to make it our issue….  Nancy Pelosi and Mitt Romney will try to make it our issue; but it’s not our issue.

We pray for peace and send our prayers, but we cannot succeed in the larger economic confrontation with cunning China if we attempt to ignore the direct connective tissue between Beijing and Hong Kong.

Instead, start applying the Chinese tariffs on Hong Kong as soon as Beijing tanks arrive.

Tough love.

 

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416 Responses to U.S. Intelligence Positions Hong Kong as Proxy Conflict With China – Thankfully President Trump Sees Trap…

  1. Thank you for publishing this, Sundance. This really needs to be understood– and accepted– by patriots to avoid being manipulated.

    Communist China is trying to implement direct rule in HK because there are no tariffs on HK goods. When Red China does this, I hope PDJT slaps tariffs on HK goods. Ditto for Macao. Ditto for, Quemoy, Matsu, Formosa, etc.

    Whenever foreign demonstrators/rioters/whatever carry signs in English and American flags, it is an attempt to manipulate us. Just say no.

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    • Heide Scott says:

      Hello. Testing One two three… My comments no longer show up and I can’t like anyone’s else’s comments. Help.

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    • formerdem says:

      And, a rare occasion, this time I do not agree with Sundance! Too positive of what lies ahead. Trying to quell an anxious conscience, that long long article, I don’t think we know what is ahead. And I don’t think the protesters singing the Star Spangled Banner are deep state moles trying to manipulate us into something about 2020 bc far as I know China never mocks itself in public on grave occasions nor salutes us as world leaders of a unique kind. …. Even if we can’t help these protesters, and I wish we could, let’s not insult them too.

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      • “And I don’t think the protesters singing the Star Spangled Banner are deep state moles trying to manipulate us into something about 2020”

        Neither do I.

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        • Dutchman says:

          I think “never” is a looooong time. And I think the “One China” is a lie they keep repeating, and they insistveverybody else repeat, as if it will make it so.

          China has as many factions as the DNC.
          Different provinces, with different dialects on the mainland, plus these outboard protectorates.

          The regime is very vulnerable to fracturing, on multiple levels. Financially on borrowed time, and the financial trade has whats kept the masses content to accept CCP control.

          So, I think China’s CCP rule over HK, will collapse. Not necesarily from these protests, directly. But if a crackdown causes a rush for the exit, and international support for PDJT, it could exacerbate.

          And, if China appears to concede to protesters, that could be fatal.

          But yeah, we don’t get,drawn in.

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          • jeff montanye says:

            we can offer moral support but it is a chinese problem for the chinese to solve. we have enough on our plate: 9-11, seven countries in five years, crossfire hurricane, midterm exam, uranium one, the death/disappearance of jeffrey epstein . . . . our country is far more authoritarian than the popular myths give credit. changing that is, imo, our first priority. again, a u.s. problem for u.s. citizens to solve.

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            • Dutchman says:

              I agree wholeheartedly with regard to any,…intervention beyond moral support.
              Would point out all the things you list, most,all trace back to Globalist,,which is Conmunist, and CCP running China are the,current State sponsors of Conmunism, so its ALL interrelated.
              But, best was, long term, for H.K, USA, and the world is to undermine CCP rule of China, and EU rule in Europe.

              And purge Conmunism embedded in our own and other ‘western’ governments.

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          • nbkilgore says:

            What’s happening today with China (looking at the overall picture) is almost like the US, USSR, West and East Berlin situation. The ingredients are all there, China pumping a lot of money into their military build up (at US expense) until POTUS Trump cut off the financial faucets. China was operating on borrowed money and time. Remember how USSR kept pumping money into nukes and their armed forces until it broke there bank. When USSR States that were annexed after WWII, those same States started breaking away from USSR Moscow and it just kept snowballing down hill. US just kept giving the USSR a nudge here and there until everything came crumbling down without US physical intervention.

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            • Dutchman says:

              Yes, and that model is distorted by some, as an ‘arms race’; it was, on one level. On a deeper level, is was economic competition.
              Reagan said he was confident the U.S. would prevail, after reading a report on WHEAT.
              RUSSIA produced more than enough wheat to feed itself. However, there were no tarps for the trucks that transported the wheat from the collective farms, to the granaries, and so they lost 1/2 their crop, every season.
              But ‘not MY job!’ said the collective, the truckdriver, and the granary operator.
              And so every year Russia had to import millions of tons of wheat, because some request fir tarps got lost in the buerocratic miasma of moscow.
              In capitalist system, SOMEBODY would have lost $, or gone out of business and been replaced, somebody would have addressed the issue.
              Innefficiency is endemic in a conmunist system, as is corruption.

              Look at the poor quality of products from China; raw materials are adulterated, corners are cut etc.

              China can NOT compete, unless they cheat. Their financial system, and their social/cultural system is a powderkeg, only kept stable by the massive infusion of $ from the U.S.

              Take that away, and the fuse is lit, and the results inevitable. The exact HOW of the collapse is dependant on how resistant the CCP leadership is to reality.

              I do find it amazing the number of intelligent ‘experts’ who still think this is going to lead to some kind of a ‘deal’ with the CCP leadrrship.

              Lot of people ‘experts’ were SHOCKED at the sudden collapse of the USSR, …but Reagan wasn’t.

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              • nbkilgore says:

                Dutchman, TY for topping what I was trying to get at. I just needed to throw the nugget out there and you did an awesome job going a step further…with clarity! Thx Dutch!

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              • You nailed it Dutch. China is an amazing country, but a ponzi scheme held together by the gun (reason for 2A) and fueled by US$ and Globalist tech. Your astute points about the culture of poor product quality and cheating are the key reasons capital will flee China if Trump is able to hold the line. Yes, the results are inevitable. I met with many int’l businesses before the 1997 HK transfer. These were the concerns of the day and nothing’s changed. Every company had their China de-investment plan!

                Several liberals (those that will discuss topics with me) say they despise Trump except for what he’s doing with China. Reasonable Americans are behind our President on this. Let’s watch how Trump forces the 2020 Dems to take China’s side in this trade war, because Orange Man Bad.

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                • Dutchman says:

                  Hmm,…that will be interesting to see the Dems try. Will they recognise that its a ‘bridge too far’, ….not likely, as they have already burned so many bridges behind them.

                  I’m more thinking they will continue with “He’s tanking the economy, rather than open support for China.

                  Won’t WORJ, of coarse, but again that has never stopped Dems before, why would they change, now?

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          • lady4trump says:

            Trump is getting into this situation right now. He wants to link Hong Kong with the tariff war. Bolton has won. Too bad.

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            • Dutchman says:

              I don’t know to what you refer, but I doubt it. He gamed this out for years. After election and before inaugeration,( possibly even before election) he talked to Bebe, and had Jarrod solidify Isreal/ SA alliance, to put Iran in check.
              Then, with Rodman did his dance, to deprive China of the Nork gambit.
              Do you really think he has neglected to game out all possible permutations on HK, Taiwan, etc.?
              Granted, all this would have been a little easier without the muh russia nonsense, as he could have easily brought in Russia on the,’side’ of Nationalist, as opposed to global Conmunism.
              But, he’s gamed that out, too.
              Bolton is a cute rotweiler, on a short chain. He hasn’t ‘won’ anything, except a steady supply of treats from his master.

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      • dollops says:

        There is a way to help them, and it has been been on a back burner for over 70 years. Tell China point-blank that if they crush the special status of Hong Kong the US will immediately recognize Taiwan’s Independence AND consistently refer to them as the “Real China”. The loss of face this would cause China would be more devastating to them than the relative freedom of an enclave with just a few million people. Trump moved the embassy to Jerusalem; he can do this.

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    • The Gipper Lives says:

      I think it is a sincere call for freedom. It doesn’t mean we have to send troops.

      If you wanted to be free, whose flag would you fly? The Union Jack? Please, The Maple Leaf? The EU or the UN’s? There is only one that will do.

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      • Kent says:

        I believe as you do…they are asking for help…and…we can’t send in troops…Hong Kong has reverted to China.

        The Hong Kong ball is not in our court.

        This situation has been 100+ years in the making…perhaps our past leaders had influence in this present game…and their hope…i.e…maybe we can drag china into our sphere with economic development and improvement of their citizens lives….just isn’t going to work out.

        Maybe we could have accomplished that but for one thing…the communists controlling that nation…as all leftists do they only seek control…..it seems to be a constant in the human universe…and when control fails only power will suffice….

        Leftists are and always have been the enemies of human advancement….and, no…I do not confuse leftists with liberals.

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      • If I were Chinese, I’d fly the Chinese flag and put China first. I’d want to make China great again.

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        • jeff montanye says:

          the protesters might be better off with that technique. while they might not deep state moles they certainly might be deep state stooges or fellow travelers, hoping for help in a likely but not certainly vain attempt. china will probably become freer over time as much of authoritarian east asia has become (taiwan, south korea, indonesia, malaysia, japan). we should welcome it but we should not try to force it.

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        • Bad Bill Barr says:

          If I was french I’d be doing the same in France.

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    • China is not implementing direct rule on hk because hk has no tariffs. They are implementing direct rule because they can not stand anyone not obeying the chicom doctrine. There is no room for dissent in China.
      As sundance has pointed out hk is lost and it saddens me. I lived there for 10 years. Sigh….

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      • pochas94 says:

        No tariffs? That will change. Another thing, the Chinese will shut down a major Asian financial center and ignite a maelstrom of discontent. They’ll lose more than they will gain. They should simply renounce the extradition deal and and confirm Hong Kong’s separate system status.

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        • diogenes says:

          That makes Beijing look weak. The one thing a dictator cannot be seen as is weak. Weak strongmen attract rivals to make power plays. If they let HK keep getting away with “separate systems” then what’s to stop the muzzies from asking for a “separate system” too? Or the Mongolians? Or the Tibetans?

          Beijing really only has two options. Crush HK ruthlessly to keep the other provinces and peoples from getting froggy, or let HK go and inspire a hundred more minor or major rebellions and flush their prestige and wealth down the toilet. The money is less important than maintaining their sweaty-fingered grip on power over a billion and a half people.

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  2. Heide Scott says:

    There I am!

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  3. TarsTarkas says:

    A hot war, the only way to physically stop the crisis, would be insane, when both sides have nukes.
    Xi will not, cannot, back down from this confrontation, or he will lose the mandate of Heaven and possibly his life. And there’s no reason to believe his successor would treat Hong Kong any different. The only possible way to save Hong Kong would be to destroy the CCP before Hong Kong is completely absorbed economically and politically. Force a change in how the Han Empire is governed.
    Taiwan is observing this keenly. If they don’t have a nuke bomb program ongoing, they surely will now. Or buy nukes from India or Pakistan.
    The US should do all it can within reason to facilitate the safe flight of the people of Hong Kong to a more welcoming nation.

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    • Marc says:

      “The US should do all it can within reason to facilitate the safe flight of the people of Hong Kong to a more welcoming nation.”
      Why not Canada? They don’t call it Hongcouver for nothing. Justin should be pressured to let them in as refugees in the near future.

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      • Peppurr says:

        Oh don’t worry. There will be enough fleeing to their vacant pre-purchased homes in Vancouver. The Chinese have driven up the housing market so that regular citizens can’t afford to buy, Most home sales turn into a bidding war. .A close large suburb of Vancouver, is packed with Chinese. In fact, the mayor there, allowed all signage to be in their language.. I refused to drive there amongst the citizens who seemed to lack peripheral vision.

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    • Rob says:

      “Xi will not, cannot, back down from this confrontation, or he will lose the mandate of Heaven”

      What does this mean?

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  4. Ironclaw says:

    Anybody with any sense should have gotten the hell out of HK when the Brits were giving it back.

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    • only real smart one moved out from incoming REDS….

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    • Carrie2 says:

      Many did but not everyone in Hong Kong have the money to do so. We have noticed over the years with visits there have seen a lot of “businesses” leaving but the young there are well educated and want freedom and apparently are willing to die to try and keep it. China may win the day but in the long run will have lost a like just as did Mao.

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  5. Donzo says:

    The title of this post implies that the IC is currently taking action to drag the US into the Hong Kong debacle. That may be so and I entirely expect it to be so, but the post does not give any example of it actually being so. No doubt it will be soon. Just sayin’…

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  6. Keith D. Rodebush says:

    It is very unfortunate though. A collapse of the Hong Kong financial center would have global implications very quickly. I know we live in the digital age and it’s not like a trillion dollar bills are in a vault somewhere, but that type of disruption will tank the stock markets world wide. Sell or ride it out.

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  7. The Gipper Lives says:

    The hope was that instead of China taking over Hong Kong, that Hong Kong would “take over” China. But since no one else stood up to them, that didn’t happen. China paid off our Elites in business and government to shaft both Americans and the Chinese people. They were all real cozy and happy with that arrangement.

    And then Donald Trump stood up to them on our behalf. It’s almost like miracle. Hell, it is a miracle.

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    • bruzedorange says:

      I wonder how differently things would be now if CCP leaders had not empowered Xi to dismantle the programs and policies of Deng Xiaoping?

      I think THAT is what really surprised and dismayed Chinese businessmen and financial workers. My late conclusion is that Xi is not pragmatic, but evil. Many Chinese citizens (would) agree.

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      • meadowlarkspring says:

        Is Hong Kong China’s future?
        November 10, 2014

        https://theconversation.com/is-hong-kong-chinas-future-33966

        President Xi Jinping is more of a power centralizer than a political reformer. And Hong Kong is not, for many PRC people, an appealing political model .

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        • Incisor says:

          Well, I may be showing my noob colors here but I was just thinking today that this could be the right time for President Trump’s “Mr. Gorbachev, Tear Down This Wall” speech.
          The right words at the opportune time might just illicit a similar response.
          China is not as weak as the USSR was at the end but they aren’t that far off either and I bet the Chinese people might just be at the point of making a break for freedom if they think for 2 seconds that the US would support them.
          I’m not one that wants us getting into another conflict over concerns that don’t concern us but I’m also not above using the threat of involvement if it would mean over a billion people get their “actual” freedom. If that happened at this point then Donald Trump would get all of the credit for it happening, no way anyone could try and say different.
          Just remember, not many thought that what happened to the Soviet Union was possible either. Just saying that we could look on the bright side and hope that something similar happens here. Can you imagine the change that over 1 billion free Chinese people might make in the world? They already have two working models in Hong Kong and Taiwan to emulate. I can think of worse outcomes.

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          • dollops says:

            Absolutely! “There is a tide ..”
            President Trump could give hope to billions of people longing for a better life by declaring a new Axis of Evil. He could link China with Iran and, say, Venezuela – very insulting to the Chinese who consider themselves to be so superior and mighty. The USSR was destroyed by exposing its inferiority, moral and economic, and the current trade “war” with China has set the stage for a similar dressing-down for the Xi regime.

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    • dbobway says:

      How in the world has 1 man stood up and rang the bell of freedom,
      Not just for the country he leads, but the whole world.

      65 million Americans elected a cure for tyranny, Donald J Trump.
      It’s happening in France, and Italy, Eastern Europe, Russia, Brazil,
      And, yes, now Hong Kong.

      The United States needs to be, what it was always meant to be.
      The beacon of freedom and truth., with free markets for all,
      Not just a few.

      We don’t need tanks and planes, but for our own security.
      It is our way of life, where power in numbers, slams the door on evil.

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  8. rw says:

    we should take 400miles of federal lands in California call it Hong Kong 2 and give every Hong konger a 20 year residency/work permit in that specific area and then set back and watch the shitstorm.

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    • sunnydaze says:

      Heck, give ’em citizenship and let ’em vote- could be the only way to turn CA. red again.

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    • California Joe says:

      Sounds good to me. In fact we could move the Mexicans back to Mexico and welcome the Hong Kong refugees with open arms! California would be a much better place. I know because I live here. My Asian neighbors are wonderful. You don’t even know they exist. On the other hand the Mexicans are terrible!

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    • disgustedwithjulison says:

      Actually, I would like to put them in the red districts in Minnesota that the Obama administration strategically placed all the Somali refugees in. Offset their social/vote engineering with social/vote engineering of our own (not to mention a hardworking class of people that would make a positive economic impact in those areas).

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  9. bulwarker says:

    “Do we feel sympathy watching a once free society slip into the grips of an oppressive and totalitarian system now ruled by a communist dictator…..? Sure we do. But they made these choices decades ago… now they have the consequences.”

    The same will be said about us if the deep state prevails…

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  10. thedoc00 says:

    Gee, when the UK signed away their claim to Honk Kong, who did see this happening…/sarc

    China Inc. just has to play this right so as not sink the Honk Kong market too fast. The President needs to place road blocks as well as sanctions to having any bank do business directly in China and/or on the Shanghai Market. China Inc. and non-China Inc. financial businesses rely on the Honk Kong Market as their back door to China Inc.

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    • Kent says:

      …hand them their ass on a platter…close the escape hatch…..

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    • Conservativeinny says:

      The UK had a 100 year lease that had run to completion in the mid 90’s. They should have negotiated for another few hundred years instead of signing it back over.

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      • A2 says:

        China would not agree. The New Territories lease was up (this included all the outlying islands) and they were threatening to invade or resume ownership. That would mean Kowloon, Hong Kong Island ( both ceded to GB in perpetuity) would be surrounded.

        Difficult to divide up a highly integrated urbanised space and China threatened to cut off water and food, the majority of the supplies came from China. So GB negotiated. It was difficult and complex, but Deng agreed. China at that time was not the economic powerhouse it has become and Hong Kong contributed a significant percentage of PRC GDP, and the propaganda plus of getting the ROC to consider rejoining the mainland.

        Xi Mao 2.0 is a diehard Leninist Stalinist with Chinese characteristics. read his Thought and watch his actions.

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  11. trapper says:

    “start applying the Chinese tariffs on Hong Kong as soon as Beijing tanks arrive.”

    Yes! In other words, shoot the hostage.

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  12. CNN_sucks says:

    The law that was rescinded a few months ago was the first step to take over hongkong. Hongkong is its own economic power now and Xi ping wants control to use it against USA.

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  13. joebkonobi says:

    Brilliant analysis Sundance. Thank you!

    This will be win for PDJT and will show the IC who is in command. Those who don’t like it are free to leave.

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  14. sickconservative says:

    My friend and neighbor flew in four days ago for the death of his 108 year old father, he won’t communicate even with his wife right now by choice we don’t know.
    Pray for them as we are.

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  15. Got243kids says:

    The entire affair is indicative of what is to become of Commiefornia….

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  16. meadowlarkspring says:

    Trump calling in currency manipulation and demanding WTO live up to it’s rules before China makes us all play by theirs is Trumpian wisdom and perseverance. Play by the rules is the main freedom-wise principle of Trump negotiating fair trade deals.

    Hong Kong fears losing its rule of law; the rest of the world should worry too
    August 13, 2019

    https://theconversation.com/hong-kong-fears-losing-its-rule-of-law-the-rest-of-the-world-should-worry-too-121807

    -snip-

    Given that the point of establishing the United Nations and other multilateral institutions such as the World Trade Organisation was to replace “might makes right” with something like an international rule of law, this is likely to prove cold comfort for smaller nations.

    As Xi told the 19th National Congress of the Chinese Communist Party in 2017:

    the overall goal of “comprehensively advancing law-based governance” is to “establish a system of socialist rule of law with Chinese characteristics and build a country of socialist rule of law”

    “major country diplomacy with Chinese characteristics aims to foster a new type of international relations and build a community with a shared future for mankind”

    the defining feature of “socialism with Chinese characteristics” is “the leadership of the Communist Party of China”.

    -snip-

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    • jeff montanye says:

      but hong kong is not “a smaller nation,” it is a part of china. that’s the difference.

      p.s. the u.s. is in a somewhat awkward position to complain about might making right having just murdered two million or so essentially innocent people in their home countries none of which attacked the u.s.

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  17. Elle says:

    Very sad. Pray for the people of Hong Kong that a miracle will happen and Xi will understand the economic benefit to China of keeping Hong Kong “free”.

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  18. Jim says:

    The time to slap the tariff’s on HK will arrive shortly. As stated we can’t save HK from the Chinese. Both HK and Taiwan had (over 30 years ago and longer) served as a back door financing mechanism for the Chinese, but HK’s fate was set in stone long ago. The Uni party and state in D.C. were played like the fools they are by the Chinese who simply let them have cash for the privilege of having American Business and it’s technology stollen right from under our eyes. Only PDJT has the smarts and sense to stop that and he has paid a very heavy price to try to save our country from the fools and elites who are blind the realities before us.

    We have the upper hand economically, now, but that hand has to be strengthened going forward as the Chinese have time on their side, and unfortunately we only seem to have one brave person (PDJT) who has both the sense and backbone to save us from ourselves. I pray that he is able to continue his brilliant strategy. It’s working well and must be completely played out

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  19. SpanglishKC says:

    Does it make sense to announce in advance a 50% tariff on Hong Kong goods if China takes over by force? Curious what the smart people think.

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    • Jim says:

      Do it before they take over by force – as it would be too late then – as the Hong Kong free people would suffer immensely for daring to upstage Beijing, and it would otherwise be too late. Doing so before ultimate force would give Beijing a way to save face before locking in a position that will cause many more problems over a longer time frame. Beijing would then have to temper their desire to crush the revolt of the free people of Hong Kong, and might even consider some alternative way to resolve the issue.

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    • Dutchman says:

      Nope, cause don’t telegraph your intentions, and plays into Chinas narrative that this is,all U.S. meddling in their internal affairs.

      WAIT for the crackdown, should it come.
      Then, wait for the pearl clutching and hand wringing. THEN say well of COARSE the tariffs on China now,apply to H.K.
      But, while I DEPLORE the violence against their own people, I don’t wish to raise the tariffs on China because of it as this IS an internal matter.

      However, raising tarifs on China, because it continues to promise and not deliver, with fentanyl and Ag purchases, for instance.

      For THAT reason I WILL impose the tarifs on remaining 350, consistent with not harming our American interests.

      And, starting Jan 2020. Tarifs will go up 10%, every 2 months, until we see concrete actions from China.

      See, Panda face. Ostensibly you decouple tariffs with HK.

      “I’m not spankin you cause your mean, I’m spankin you cause you didn’t clean your room.”

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    • A2 says:

      You do know that the US had a surplus of US$32.9 billion in merchandise trade over Hong Kong, the single economy with which the US has the highest trade surplus.

      Yeah tariff them. Punish HK people and US manufacturers and farmers to get back at China.

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      • spinoneone says:

        HK just happens to be one of the major ports used by US companies to export their products to China. Our imports of “Made in HK” products account than less than one percent of or overall trade with China. The “trade surplus” with HK is entirely artifical.

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      • lemmus1 says:

        A2, your point of view is illuminating.

        We are not the one causing the problems there. China is.
        China signed an international agreement on the status of HK until 2047. It’s 2019. The HK protesters are acting within that agreement’s terms.

        What happens if Hong Kong turns into a bloodbath? It’s not Tiananmen Square with open fields of fire into massed, unarmed civilians.
        If those people demonstrating now turn to armed resistance among the streets and high rises of HK, with its population density, the city could be the next Beiruit.

        The PLA would be fighting in a city very similar to New York and one with hundreds of miles of coastline where smuggling would be rife and it’s supply lines threatened. Its armor and air would be far less effective.

        If the invasion is prolonged and the MSM here starts playing atrocity videos 24-7, I fear the results.

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  20. ATheoK says:

    “There is already a ongoing flight of wealth out of Hong Kong as the smart and wealthy position their assets overseas to survive the arrival of Beijing’s storm troopers.”

    By some odd quirk, one of the major exits from Hong Kong, the airport, has been blockaded by protestors for several days.
    The poor fools know not what they do; but they are obviously led by the cruel..

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    • wondering999 says:

      I have been thinking about that, why on earth block the airport? Fly as many people out as possible before the hammer comes down. Like Berlin before the Wall. Get people out

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  21. curator55 says:

    “Any effort for the people within Hong Kong to reverse the situation and escape the clutches of oppressive communism while retaining their liberty will only lead to massive bloodshed.”

    The original leaders of the protests in Tiananmen Square pleaded a similar argument to the crowds of newly arrived student protesters that replaced most of the original protesters that had gone home. But most of the new arrivals were eager to participate so all of the original leaders that provoked the protests and had vainly tried earlier to negotiate a compromise with the Commies left just before the brutal attack began. I suspect some of those that provoked the justified protests in HK have left but it’s only a suspicion.

    As I wrote in another article, “The transfer of Imperial Britain’s HK back to China in 1997, was an official and lawful handover of a British Colony to China… signed by the heads of the two governments.” The Crown Colony of HK was forcefully obtained by the British Redcoats after China lost the Opium war in 1843.

    The vulnerable, unarmed HK protesters know that China has broken the terms of the deal which “stipulated that under Chinese rule the HKSAR would enjoy a high degree of autonomy, except in matters of foreign relations and defense, and that the social and economic systems as well as the lifestyle in Hong Kong would remain unchanged until 2047.” P Xi Jinping has broken the terms of the deal but as sundance stated “Hong Kong is China” and words like autonomy have no significance in a Communist Dictatorship.

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  22. California Joe says:

    If the Chinese launch an attack slaughtering thousands of people in Hong Kong they can kiss what’s left of it’s American manufacturering base GOODBYE!

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    • Dutchman says:

      Yes, because the whole world will be forced to admit the Emperor has no clothes; that China is a repressive, brutal totalitarian dictatorship, with NO interest in human rights.

      And, the idea promulgated for the last 30 years, that we should ignore their quirky little habits and just deal with them in commerce, and somehow that was going to cause them to magically change their spots, was wishful delusion.

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      • Alleycats says:

        Perhaps that will be the only decent thing to come of this inevitable takeover. That because of the internet, the brutality and violent oppression will indeed be seen by millions.

        Carnage as Sundance describes will shock a lot of people out of their utopian dream.

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        • Dutchman says:

          Instead of “This is CNN”
          THIS is “SOCIALISM”.
          Do NOT turn away, do NOT close your eyes.
          And, this is NOT “Sociamism” done ‘wrong’, this is exactly where it ends up, every time its been tried.

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      • wondering999 says:

        Years ago I saw a video of a police action in Xinjiang. The police went into houses, pulled out various men, tied their hands behind their backs with plastic ties, pulled tshirts up over their heads, and shot them in the head.

        It isn’t available anymore (not that I would want to watch it again). I just wanted to learn more about Xinjiang at the time. However I’d guess that YouTube is also in the pay of Chinese overlords — YouTube can disappear things they don’t want seen

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        • Dutchman says:

          It really is remarkable, the degree to which people, on the one hand continue to hold onto the ild notion of “Russians” dating to sputnik, and on the other hand pretend like China under CCP are these nice guys that, you know occasionally run over people with tanks.

          As CCP is the current state sponsor of Conmunism, and has been heavily invested in infiltrsting ‘western’ governments, civic institutions, religious organisations, etc. why WOULDN’T they target Silicon valley? It would be an obvious target, and as University grads, most would already be indoctrinated, with marinated brains, ready for the grill.

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  23. Dutchman says:

    Ooooh! Oooooh! Mr. Cotter!
    Will their be a BDS movement for China?
    Will their be boycott pressure on multinational companies doing business with China?

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    • lemmus1 says:

      Should the results in Hong Kong turn into a bloodbath, I would expect Trump to impose a total ban on all trade with China. I’m not at all convinced that he wouldn’t have an ear-to-ear grin while signing the ban.

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      • BitterC says:

        You might want to do some research on important things we don’t make here anymore….like medicines to name just one.

        The president has made a good start in reinvigorating our steel industry, but we need a lot more before we can thumb our noses at China.We can thank Clinton and all that followed him.

        Hard to say how quickly we can re-establish an economy that was slowly decimated over decades

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        • lemmus1 says:

          Excellent point. 80% of key pharmaceutical ingredients are being imported from there. That’s a huge problem to solve. Folks might get upset if they can’t get their prescriptions filled.

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  24. 4EDouglas says:

    Remember China’s Ego is wring checks it’s banks can’t cash.
    Sooner, rather than later, it is going down..

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  25. Awesome post. Looking at a map, Hong Kong is more attached to China than Key West or Long Island. They are China now.

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  26. HonorDefendBuckeye says:

    The call to do “More” or “Something” has been the Deep Swamp’s method for 3 decades minimum. This is no different than the call that “We” do “Something” about Mogadishu in Read My Lips Bush’s Presidency. That led to Black Hawk Down, and downstream consequences from that.

    The ramping up of publicity and tension via news media emphasis is their time honored tactic in implementing the strategy of dead end involvement. Open shows with the introduction, “Voices are being raised that we need to do more.”

    When news media family members are placed in harm’s way, then I might listen, but then again I would probably simply think – Good Riddance to Bad Rubbish.

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  27. Sentient says:

    Hong Kong shows what can happen when only the government has guns. What could possibly go wrong?

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  28. CTH Fan says:

    POTUS and his Wolverines know China well and absolutely knows China’s MO. In my opinion they already have scenarios in place for any tactics the Chinese employ. POTUS has been discussing China for years.

    Citizen Trump had his own personal company intelligence team while he was a business man. I think that while he listens to the IC community he has his own sources as well. His decisions will be well informed.

    There is a reason he is holding back on negotiations. We will understand more as things play out.

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  29. BitterC says:

    Sundance, are you suggesting efforts to denuke North Korea are a fool’s errand?

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  30. dayallaxeded says:

    Same for Ukraine and Georgia. Decisions made decades ago doomed those nations to the RUS sphere of influence, not ours not NATOs. PDJT deals with and in reality, not the uniparty “war is good” evil construct. Thank God!

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  31. jeff montanye says:

    bravo. for me the key line is: The U.S. cannot continue to engage globally in an effort to protect nations from the consequences of their own decisions. i might even add israel’s to their own. we however should encourage israel and the disenfranchised arabs living under israeli rule to become one nation: israeli sovereignty in all of palestine including gaza and one person one vote for everyone living there. it will help israel, the region and the world immensely.

    it’s what the u.s. did with its mexican conquests in 1848 and it’s what israel should do now.

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  32. spinoneone says:

    China will, eventually, crush the HK protesters. That must happen since China cannot afford the loss of face and power that would come if the protesters are allowed to “win.” China’s version of “little green men” are already infiltrating HK and acting accordingly. The protesters taking direct action against the HK police are most likely ChiCom police/PLA.

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    • wondering999 says:

      I do suspect that the violent actors are agents provocateurs.
      The mainstream HK protestors have been remarkably, admirably self-controlled.

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  33. trapper says:

    “it is silly now to think China will remove their nuclear missiles to gain an economic benefit. If U.S. policy isn’t trying to remove nuclear weapons from China, then why would U.S. policy try to remove nuclear weapons from the DPRK.? They’re the same nukes.”

    This is a huge dose of realist, America-first foreign policy analysis, and modification of objectives to fit rapidly changing reality, that appears to have blown right past everyone.

    Denuke the Korean peninsula, or don’t denuke the Korean peninsula. It no longer matters. The presence and testing of Chinese nukes in North Korea can no longer modify US behavior. They are irrelevant in the new China/US/Nork dynamic. Therefore, because the Chinese nukes in North Korea have been rendered ineffective in the new China/US/Nork landscape, it doesn’t really matter where China warehouses them. What do WE care?

    This isn’t just 4 dimensional chess. It is 4 dimensional speed chess. Keeping up with changing landscapes isn’t easy.

    China says “do what we want or we will kill our own people in Hong Kong.” PDJT responds: yawn. Right answer.

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    • trapper says:

      P.S. And perhaps the yawn caused the positive phone call from China (read: they blinked first) that PDJT judged to be enough of a positive modification of their position to justify rewarding them by delaying the tariff increase. In HK the Chicoms have painted themselves into another corner. It will be interesting to see how they get themselves out of it. They must have had a backdoor they were going to use if they got a positive trade move from the US from it. It will be interesting to see what that backdoor is.

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  34. Chris says:

    What I find ironic; is the total lack of interest by the MSM. If the Intel wants to get us embroiled in HK; the media has to kick it in gear.

    The conundrum here is Google under China’s control; cannot work to shape opinion in the States. We will see.

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  35. johnathanc says:

    Should we be giving Hong Kong residents fleeing the Chinese regime political asylum instead of those coming across the border for ECONOMIC asylum? Might be better citizens. Naw, the Leftist democrats would never go for that!

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    • wondering999 says:

      On the other hand, we might, as with the Mariel Boatlift, bring in a lot of people who would NOT be good citizens. I do want to see asylum for the trapped Hong Kong people, but not sure how this can be done effectively and safely. Counting on better brains than mine, and trusting my President to have better information than I do. And praying the whole day long for my President and also the trapped people of HK and their families

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  36. Pat Thomas says:

    Hong Kong’s current status was only going to last until 2047.

    Mainland is communist while Hong Kong has a limited democracy. Both share President Xi Jinping of China as their chief of state. However, each has its own head of government. At midnight on June 30/July 1, 1997, the crown colony of Hong Kong officially reverted to Chinese sovereignty, ending 156 years of British rule. Great Britain had acquired Hong Kong Island from China in 1842, when the Treaty of Nanking was signed at the end of the first Opium War (1839-42).

    The Basic Law came into effect on 1 July 1997 in Hong Kong when the sovereignty over Hong Kong was transferred from the United Kingdom to the People’s Republic of China, replacing Hong Kong’s colonial constitution of the Letters Patent and the Royal Instructions

    The Basic Law of the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region of the People’s Republic of China is the constitution of the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region and a national law of the People’s Republic of China comprising nine chapters, 160 articles and three annexes, the Basic Law was adopted on 4 April 1990 by the Seventh National People’s Congress and signed by President Yang Shangkun.

    Under The Basic Law, Hong Kong would continue its capitalist system and way of life for 50 years after 1997.

    Hong Kong defers to mainland China in two primary areas: military defense and international relations. Hong Kong may not maintain its own military; the mainland manages the military defense of Hong Kong. The Hong Kong Special Administrative Region may not maintain any separate diplomatic ties with foreign countries.

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  37. dollops says:

    “Do we feel sympathy watching a once free society slip into the grips of an oppressive and totalitarian system now ruled by a communist dictator for life in Chairman Xi Jinping? Sure we do. But they made these choices decades ago… ”
    Definitely not your finest effort, Sundance. These people who are protesting are today’s Hongkongers and they are not responsible for their history any more than any of us are for events before our time. Most of the people in the streets of Hong Kong have known no regime other than the current one, which they only wish to see continue without heavy-handedness from Beijing.
    “Sympathy”, Sundance, is cheap; we are too fat and sassy to be able to empathize with them and so we must choose between bland sympathy and Trumpian dragon slaying. Watch the master at work and spare the Hongkongers your sympathy.

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    • Dioeb says:

      At this rate, any infant in the word is innocent hence (big strategic demand)

      Sorry bud, there is something called reality.
      One reality is you carry on the weight of your ancestors.

      If there wasn’t politic wouldn’t matter.

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  38. zorg2 says:

    How Sundance has managed to blame Hong Kong for its own predicament with China is beyond me.
    Trump has also not supported the Iranian protesters, nor the protesters in Venezuela, but that didn’t stop them from continuing in Afghanistan!
    I am very disappointed with Trump. I will vote for him in 2020 but I will not pitch in with additional help.

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  39. zorg2 says:

    How Sundance has managed to blame Hong Kong for its own predicament with China is beyond me.
    Trump has also not supported the Iranian protesters, nor the protesters in Venezuela, but that didn’t stop him from continuing in Afghanistan!
    I have been disappointed with Trump. I will vote for him in 2020, but I will not pitch in with additional help.

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    • Rjak says:

      Explain how the action in HKG will lead to anything ?

      Let’s not even talk about the activism against colonial UK back in the days…

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  40. RFls says:

    Turning US strength against itself has been the favored strategy of its secret enemy.

    Ukraine was no different : doomed from day one. Ditto Somalia and all that.

    Accumulating failures based on bullshit strategy through self inflicted wound under the guise of good actions is what Obama and anti-American like him prefer.

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