[Unrelated, Chinese financial markets are off-the-charts tonight as the currency is dropping like a rock, Beijing is intervening to stop the bleeding…. and Hong Kong workers are going on strike. Yikes, could be trouble.]
Earlier today while departing from Morristown municipal airport, President Trump and First Lady Melania delivered remarks to the media. [Video and Transcript below]
“Hate has no place in our country”…
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[Transcript] – THE PRESIDENT: Thank you very much. I want to extend our condolences to the people of El Paso, Texas, and Dayton, Ohio. They’re incredible people and they’ve been through a lot.
I just want to also thank the law enforcement in both places. The job they’ve done is incredible. I also want to congratulate them. I mean, nobody could have done what they’ve done. This could have been — as bad as it was, it could have been so much worse.
I just have to thank them. The job they’ve done is incredible. And they were right on the ball in El Paso; they were there so quickly. And, in Dayton, in less than a minute — think of the damage he did in just a short period of time — in less than a minute, the law enforcement acted and killed him. And it would have been unbelievable. It was — it would have been — it was horrible, but it would have been so much worse. It could have been so much worse.
I just want to say that these are two incredible places. We love the people. Hate has no place in our country. And we’re going to take care of it.
I spoke with Attorney General Bill Barr at length; I spoke to Christopher Wray, Director of the FBI; I spoke to the governors — both governors — and we’re doing a lot of work. A lot of people are working right now — a lot of law enforcement people and others. I spoke to members of Congress about whatever we can do and a lot of — a lot of things are being done right now, as we speak.
I’ll be making a statement tomorrow sometime. But just on behalf of our First Lady and myself, condolences to all. We have to get it stopped. This has been going on for years — for years and years — in our country. And we have to get it stopped.
So thank you very much. And I will be making a statement tomorrow at about 10 o’clock. And I’ll see you there. Thank you all very much.
Q What are you going to do about the problem of automatic and semiauto- —
THE PRESIDENT: You have to talk up.
Q The gun problem. What are you going to do about it? What — how are you going to address it?
THE PRESIDENT: We’re talking to a lot of people, and a lot of things are in the works, and a lot of good things. And we have done much more than most administrations. And it does — it’s not — really not talked about very much, but we’ve done, actually, a lot. But perhaps more has to be done.
But this is also a mental illness problem. If you look at both of these cases, this is mental illness. These are peop- — really, people that are very, very seriously mentally ill. So a lot of things are happening. A lot of things are happening right now.
And I will see you tomorrow at 10 o’clock. Thank you.
Why “they” always trying to take guns away from people who didn’t do it after mass shootings? I bought bulk ammo today- because that’s what I do after these mass shootings 💯
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Well done. I stocked up with a large amount of ammo when the communist usurper Obama was elected president.
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Yep. Guns up.
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#NowHitTheRange
#ZeroAt200
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“What are you going to do about the problem of automatic and semiauto”
what should said:
“We are going to make gunfree zones legally liable for their security failure to allow responsible adults their own protection with their handguns instantly available so dangerous nutcases can’t parade around for 20 minutes or an hour, killing innocent people at will.”
“El Paso could have ended in 20 seconds instead of 20 minutes with properly armed adults.”
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As I said in the main thread, I’m more worried about the financial markets than I am about the (very sad) shootings here in the USA. Could be a real fight there. Jerome Powell must get the job done for POTUS.
Glad that the administration is going to do a speech tomorrow. Guessing we’ll hear bout Red Flag Laws and mental health (as we should, IMO).
Really wish Wray were gone now. Don’t trust him in any way.
I think POTUS and Barr will be seeking the death penalty for the El Paso shooter.
POTUS will get things done. As he did after Parkland and Las Vegas. People may not like his solutions, but he will act to improve things, or at least try to do so. Allegiances be darned. As he said after Parkland, paraphrasing, “I like the NRA but we’ve got to stop this.”
The Dayton shooter is a total fail for leftist narrative. Expecting that incident to drop off the radar and the media to go all-in on El Paso, as much as they can.
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Heads-up looks like it’s right here:
Both Ivanka and Trump ally Graham saying the same thing.
So tomorrow I’m thinking
– Red Flag Laws stuff
– Mental health treatment improvements stuff
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Red Flag Laws:
Sounds good until:
1. it would not have stopped any of the three idiots in the last 168 hours
2. it will be abused by vindictive “Ex’s”
3. it will be abused by rebellious teens living at home who just got grounded
4. it will be abused by activist Judges
Live Free Or Die
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I do think OF is correct. We need to tighten the gun laws. We should not sell guns to democraps.
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I am a very strong 2nd Amendment supporter. I deeply dislike the idea of any restrictions on gun ownership. Rather than remove the rights of people who have done nothing wrong, why aren’t we concentrating on harshly punishing those who misuse the rights the Constitution gives all of us?
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“Why aren’t we concentrating on harshly punishing those who misuse the rights the Constitution gives all
Of us?” Because that would be thinking LOGICALLY, Mac.
Cultural Marxism is by definition illogical. Which is why the Enemedia bombards us with it 24/7. (Our) weakness is (their) strength. They despise us and our Constitutional Republic.
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We need to remove/reduce gunfree zones by costs, perhaps through strict liability for inadequate security if the mall is going to ban trained CCW operators.
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It will be used by the Democrats / Socialists /Globalists.
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The President already lost a lot of gun owners with his “take the guns first” rhetoric.
If he does this he will lose more.
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I agree.
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I don’t agree.
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He said no such thing.
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He was with Mike Pence. Pence was discussing the red flag laws after the Parkland shooting. Pence said something along the lines of removing guns from people after they had been adjudicated mentally deficient.
Trump said” No Mike. Take the guns first”.
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Thank you for your reply, George. If you heard POTUS say this, I take the correction. I do still stand by my point to avoid knee-jerk reactions.
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We, and he, can’t afford more gun grabbing mistakes. Feeding authoritarians/nazis/commies “small concessions” every time or false flag is an endless exercise to more tyranny.
We need to let even mentally ill people know that they can die fast and ignominiously if they get too sloppily dangerous. They need to try harder to keep their s*** together, in a polite, well armed society. Society should not be the bag holders.
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We need to debate and discuss Red Flag laws and the repercussions. Thanks for posting this; it helps in the thinking and discussion surrounding this issue.
Oh, and my husband says it will be abused by doctors too, because they already ask if there are guns in your house.
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Looks like my guns just had another boating accident.
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A VERY slippery slope. Both the Soviet Union (for sure) and China (I’d bet) used official State declarations of a person being “mentally ill” to restrict rights and even imprison people. NEVER make the mistake that of thinking that, with time, “that could never happen here.”
I’ll have to read what this organization you NEVER hear about, one far more fundamentalist than the NRA, has to say about that:
Jews for the Preservation of Firearm Ownership
http://jpfo.org/
Gosh, I wonder why THEY are so adamant about the subject?
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We’ve already medicalized a lot of things that shouldn’t be, or are plain wrong. So next time you have a problem doctor or argument, S/HE could red tag you (as well as do the CPS thing). As well as the usual USSR style, “they are medically crazy” routine to dissidents.
“No, thanks.”
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What if it is accompanied by national CCW reciprocity?
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Like your comment.
I have not been able to “like” comments on this site for weeks.
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Antifa Flag Law
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I like that!
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My position is that anyone whose 2A rights are to be proscribed is too dangerous to be out here with the rest of us. People are either dangerous or they aren’t, with or without firearms.
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I would rather be shot than beaten to death with a baseball bat. Chopped up with a machete. A nut will do you harm anyway he can. The president will do more harm to his re-election if he tries to regulate firearms. He has to be very careful about what he’s proposing. There are no easy answers to stopping these kind of attacks.
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Honestly have no idea what I would do but anyone who proposes to mess with the 2nd amendment is a concern for me. At this point after Trump-it will be all the citizens have.
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Timothy McVeigh never fired a shot. Come to think of it, neither did any of the 9/11 illegal aliens.
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Bravo comment wightmanfarm!
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@nobaddog, I would rather be like Indiana Jones: pull out my revolver and shoot the lunatic wielding the machete.
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nobaddog, Don’t forget to add to your list the guy who drove his rig into the motorcylists in NH killing 7 riders. Ban vehicles! (sarc)
https://patch.com/massachusetts/wilmington/s/gsq1d/truck-driver-high-nh-crash-killed-7-motorcyclists-report
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Agreed, nbd.
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DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH THE LEFT IS SALIVATING OVER THIS-USING THE MENTAL HEALTH PROFESSION TO RESTRICT GUN OWNERSHIP?
Has our side learned NOTHING about the ruthlessness of the Left? Look at Obamacare-the doctors are asking if you own a gun. Nothing and no one is out of reach of their “ends justify the means” agenda.
This is VERY dangerous. I pray that our leaders understand this.
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If a person makes plain their intention to harm others should they be in a mental health ward or on the street?
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My point is: People who are too unstable to have a gun need to be in a mental facility and not be let out unless they’re well enough to resume all their rights. I don’t think there’s enough money for the Left to lock us all up.
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Who decides, friend? You are helping our enemies disarm us. Maybe you are not our friend. ALL POWER FLOWS FROM THE BARREL OF A GUN- Mao Tse Tung. If we have no guns, we have no power, we are SLAVES.
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So it was a good thing to close the asylums and deal with the attendant chronic violent crimes? That’s when violent crime shot through the roof.
Can someone please tell me what are the expectations of the criminally/violently insane in our society?
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Eventually the red flag laws will be used to start banning people from owning guns who don’t hold the official government approved opinions.
We are in a period not unlike the Soviet Union after WW2.
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Or more like “before WWII” Stalinist purges if they can disappear our guns …
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Wish I could just hit the “like” button but I cannot. I AGREE, and wanted to let you know that I do.
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Thanks Mrs. E. I have been a Trump supporter since the elevator ride. But he is mistaken here. During his campaign he issued a white paper that stated his complete commitment to 2A rights. He even advocated for national constitutional carry. In green lighting the red flag laws he has been a bigger gun grabber than Obama.
Sorry to say it. But I call them as I see them.
Best wishes to you and yours Mrs. E.
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/\ /\ /\ /\ THIS. Trump is Israel’s best friend. I have to admit I was fooled again: I gave the vote thing one last shot after years of knowing it was all kabuki theatre. whoops.
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Some must, but we’ve seen the proliferate swamp types with R after their names jump on anything that can help insure their control over us and insure their longevity in office.
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“People are either dangerous or they aren’t, with or without firearms.”
Exactly. See “Europe.” Multi-ton vehicles plowing at high speed into crowds. Should we band the use of CARS for those deemed mentally unstable?
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Mental health improvement,just start wit the demokkkrats wackoes.The really clinically insane.
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If PJDT supports Red Flag laws, he’s done. The 2A guys like me are NOT forgiving of such.
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That is true but for lots of people JS. I have three friends that are avoid 2A people and are active in the area of 2A rights. They have no sense of humor regarding the issue and they never forget.
They all voted for Trump and now they all tell me they probably will never vote again. This came after the ” Take the guns first” statement. They are not budging on this in spite of my pleading and trying to get them back on the train.
To verify the serious nature of this all one has to do is go to any one of the big gun sites. They were 90 plus percent for Trump in 2016. Now not so much.
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Then who will the “avid 2A people” vote for if they don’t vote for President Trump in 2020? And if they don’t vote at all, then more or less America is doomed because to not vote is to actually allow the other side to win IMO, and we know that will be even worse!! I do firmly believe we must never deny legal citizens the right to bear arms. I do not believe President Trump would choose to do that.
I believe America is reaping what she has sowed. We need good men to reach out to our young boys/teens who don’t have good examples of men in their lives and start helping to train them. I think a lot of problems with our youth is due to so many men “missing” in societal action.
Have you ever heard about the herd of elephants that was wreaking havoc on a village in Africa. The people had no idea how to handle it. One older man said he knew how to solve the problem. He brought an older male elephant into the herd of young male elephants that had been causing so many problems in the village, and within several weeks, order was restored as the younger males submitted to the leadership of the older male elephant.
Our young men (and young women, too) don’t have any real leaders to help them figure out life on a day-to-day basis. We need our MEN to lead the way — women are too emotional and were not meant to lead. MEN are the ones that God ordained were to lead. So IMO, our society is in chaos because we are not following God’s way of doing things.
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Some people will not take half a loaf on prime issues. Everybody should have a breaking point with politicians and bad govt.
Just like Hong Kong, some are willing to fight, even as the notorious Chinese army now gathers right outside of their city-serfdom.
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Voting only lets them pretend the system is real, and lets you pretend it makes a difference which puppet of the ZOG rules us. get over it. “if voting mattered, it would be illegal”. die free or on your knees.
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“ZOG” is an acronym that doesn’t belong here.
Take it back to whatever neo-nazi sewer you found it.
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Not sure who they will vote for en mass P. I am still voting for Trump. I am saying that the President has lost the support of some of the 2A community. How much I don’t know. My three friends tell me they will probably not bother voting at all again. So that is the answer for who will they vote for.
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And the Trump family would be abused over this issue too. They are not thinking thoroughly about this issue. We need time to step back, take a deep breath and think before anything is enacted. That is how traditionally America has handled issues. That was until the Left started demanding immediate action on everything!
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Funny. I didn’t vote for that dimwit Ivanka.
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And just what firearm ownership right are you willing to give up?
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None, really. But it’s not my call.
Again, guess here is pushing Red Flag Laws more.
You probably have to give up something in this kind of situation, as POTUS did on bump stocks after Las Vegas.
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It is Your Call, give an inch they take a mile.
I am not attacking you directly, but we must all realize this is how the Left works…..a pistol grip here, a magazine capacity there, an ability to change magazines here, OK you can have your Muzzle Loaders but no Black Powder for you.
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Of course.
I agree with what you are saying, in principle.
But, politics isn’t a perfection business. It’s a practicality business. And, above all, it’s a power business. As in doing what you must to keep power.
Do I want POTUS to give ground on guns? No.
Will I accept POTUS giving an inch on guns if it helps him keep power in 2020? Yes.
If you don’t have power, you can’t do anything. And sometimes to keep power, you have to make concessions.
We all know the left is seeking anything it can get on guns. It’s a problem. We and POTUS have to be as smart and disciplined as we can, now, to both push those attempts away but also satisfy the public enough so we can keep power.
That’s where I’m coming from here.
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Don’t accept him giving an inch because he doesn’t have to give a micrometer. POTUS knows his base and the mood of the country. Americans don’t like giving up their rights and can smell a scheme when it comes their way. The bump stock ban was a boondoggle and did nothing in his favor.
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“Americans don’t like giving up their rights”… Americans are stupid and have been sacrificing their rights en mass for two generations, plus. If they weren’t stupid they’d see this nonsense for what it is, but, generally, they don’t.
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A valid point of view and a very good argument. I salute you.
RED FLAG is the most expedient political out….but I am wary.
Be Safe
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Be safe, friend!
We all just want to win, while giving up the least amount possible while winning.
I trust POTUS.
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no longer.
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Look at the “Patriot Act”. Started out with good intentions. Democrat got into office and abused it and look at where we are today.
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I say BS! The Patriot Act was not good intentions. It was made to SOUND LIKE A GOOD THING! Bush is no Republican, he’s a RINO at best, and NWO all over! 9-11 opened that doorway to Hell! This set up will do THE EXACT SAME THING!
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I call BS on giving an inch.
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Me three. But it’s too soon to tell if that is where POTUS is actually going with this.
Of course, the ENEMEDIA would love to stir the pot prematurely.. divide and conquer is their mantra.
Remember that President Trump
IS a very stable genius. See what he does, not what they SAY he is going to do.
Ivanka is not the president, but she is indicative of a “mama bear” mindset exploited by Marxists, which POTUS must now attempt to placate.
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I do too, Amjean. I also am wary of those here calling for giving a little to keep him in office. That is not logical. Giving an inch on the 2nd will cause gun owners to re-evaluate this president.
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The 2A has been abused enough. No more usurping constitutional rights.
I think we need to start asking how many babies we will allow to be murdered in the last trimester.
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spot on JSIFAz!
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Don’t give an inch, because it is a wrong answer, and he needs to understand that right now. PDJT can learn/re-think better answers, and edge away effectively, sooner than later.
Geo HW Bush lost a lot of Reagan supporters in 1992 when he started gun related bans, not just the new taxes. Rot in hell, George.
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No we don’t have to give up something. Why are you pushing that here?
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Another perspective would be to focus more resources in the area of mental health support, instead of reducing rights. Prisons and homeless populations are filled with folks that need mental health services. These are truly the forgotten and vulnerable of society that do not get the help truly needed, but this help is done best by programs outside of government. Instead of society castigating the church, government should be able to partner with those who can best provide the human care and support that chances hearts and minds.
Having said that, the church in America has become fat and lazy, showing no leadership whatsoever in this area. The church politic current spends its resources and time pandering to either its membership or pop culture. Where is the leadership; either in word or deeds, related to helping the down trodden and vulnerable of society? Just as with government, the church seems visible only when it is politically or financially beneficial.
While we may have to accept an imperfect solution from government, the church has an obligation to be God’s love with skin on and step up. No more sideline spectating. These are primarily heart issues, and secondarily law and order issues. The CHURCH needs to step up and fill the gap with both words and deeds. The constitution and POTUS are not the salvation for the evil that confronts our culture at this moment in history. There is only ONE way to change the course of this trend. This will require many active prayer war rooms.
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Yes. We need more mental health help, and the church has to get more done. We really need the church and religion now, to heal these souls.
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Hard to imagine the left is all THAT upset about El Paso since they immediately started using it for their political agenda.
In a way you could almost predict this – the left has been importing dependents (on welfare, etc) who frequently get free stuff that the rest of us have to work for and many of the recipients of this generosity don’t particularly like us and aren’t all that quiet about it. How surprising is it that someone snapped? Too bad he was such a dang maniac and resorted to killing as his solution. I wonder how many video games he’s been playing.
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Yep. The left WANTS incidents like this. Sad, but true.
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I am more interested in how Trump is going to address the hate. He is going to have to call out the democrats and media. They are the ones spawning it. I suspect it is going to be popcorn time as Trump calls out the enemy of the people.
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Just read that CloudFlare threw out 8Chan since several of the mass shooters manifestos were posted there. But apparently the hate from Antifa hasn’t been terminated.
People got each other riled up and the virtual becomes all too real.
But injecting and coddling sometimes violent parasites into our culture has been deliberate and we are at the boiling point. Our “public servants” (HA) are stealing my decades of hard work and are giving it to people they expect to keep them in power. I’m sick of it. They need to come with the same restrictions that so many had at Ellis Island….not march in like they own the place and demand their “rights”.
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What happened to declaring “Antifa” domestic terrorists?
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I think the El Paso guy is left leaning also.
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Bernie/Pocahontas supporter, Trump hater, ICE hater, called Tacoma ICE shooter a “martyr”, Antifa supporter… Apparently also mentally ill over climate change; described as a supporter of “eco-terrorism”.
You know, your typical “white” supremacist. /s
Like I said, Americans are freaking stupid. Of all the recent mass shooters, not one of them could be legitimately described as “right-wing”, let alone a white supremacist. This goes all the way back to the Gabby Giffords shooter and even George Zimmerman. Never mind that if you add up all the victims of all those incidents, the death toll is still lower than the deaths from a month of black-on-black crime in Chicago.
But what’s the prevailing narrative?
If American’s weren’t asleep at the wheel, and not a nation of SSRI/opioid addicted zombies, this would not be tolerated.
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If a person has never been arrested, they will not show up on a background check.
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It has nothing to do with liking or not liking the NRS; it is the “shall not be infringed” section of the 2nd Amendment. If they try to infringe, they will be sued. Lawsuits have been launched against gun control laws and have been very successful. The 2nd shall not be infringed.
Red flag laws, background checks for mental illness seem like a good idea. However, there was no crime in the backgrounds of these shooters. Was there any reports of mental illness? i have not heard of it. The on shooter was majoring in psychology, for Pete’s sake! He should have been very stable. There were tweets about his being upset about Trump being elected, and also about his being a follower of satan or something like that; it would appear that it was not mental illness but rather politics and satan worship in his background.
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Meant NRA not NRS.
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Psychologist are some of the least stable people out there. They, along with dentist, account for a large portion of suicides. Just saying.
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Mental illness. There are hundreds of millions of firearms in the U.S. They are sporting goods, tools, personal defense insurers, and heirlooms, But once in a while, someone who is a bit off their rocker, will abuse them. Does that mean everyone who doesn’t abuse that right needs to surrender their firearms?
They have basically eliminated the right to bear arms in England. Now knives and acid are the weapons of choice. They want to ban knives. Is that what we want for the U.S.? What’s next? Hammers?
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As an ex UK citizen, the word is that they are going to ban screwdrivers. To show just how screwed up the UK is, it is now an offense for a woman to use a hair spray against an attacking rapist. The potential rape victim can be charged with using an offensive weapon.
What a sick sh!thole the place of my birth has become. Remember, freedom is far too easy to lose. Do NOT allow anyone to chip away at it. Meet them at every turn.
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WHAT???? A woman can’t defend herself from rape? Are we assuming the rapist is likely from a culture that believes an un-hidden woman must want it?
My mother was 100% English…my husband is 1/2 English….glad they got out. Maybe the best genes were the ones that braved the journey to the unknown new world. I met an educated English couple from Cambridge a few summers ago…they were different, proud that English was the minority language in their area and seemed to have no concept that their money didn’t first belong to the government. Very weird to me…..and they probably thought the same of me.
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I’m with you @margarite1. The [supposedly educated] couple from Cambridge are more than just weird. They’re idiots. Perhaps they’d have made great Nazi cheerleaders about 80 years ago, proud to see that Spitfires and Hurricanes were in the minority? People like that deserve the culling that is unfortunately (for them at least) coming their way.
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Cheers Devilbat,
I too was born in the U.K. and was there last year. It really is F**ked. Most however, are oblivious to it.
The awakening, ( in around 15 years or so) will be stunning for the sheeple.
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An soon to be ex UK citizen married one of my cousins here in Dixie Land. He has said the same thing. He’s glad he left; could not get out soon enough. He’s so excited to become a US Citizen. He said he thinks the UK is done. Stick a fork in it.
We can thank the ACLU and other leftist organizations for forcing the mentally ill to be released from mental homes. This started back in the 1960s. Violation of civil rights. People can’t be forced to take meds. Blah, blah, blah. My brother died just this year because he was not forced to take his bi-polar meds. He’d take them for a while, then he’d feel better, then he’d stop taking the meds because he felt better; he was cured! He’d then go on another alcoholic bender. After getting out of jail, AGAIN, he’s start taking the meds again. Vicious circle. Painful for everyone. He was in complete denial. Would not want our help, would not ask for help.
President Trump is absolutely correct in mentioning mental illness. President Trump does not say anything in a truly off the cuff manner (IMHO). The mental illness situation must be addressed. How? I wish I had the answer. There used to be many institutions for this. For some, that is the only place where the mentally ill will be safe because they would be in a controlled environment, and the rest of the people in the country would be safe(er) because there would be fewer mentally ill people on the streets.
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GET REAL. Red flag laws are not about getting actual mentally ill into a care-taking facility! They are about getting the guns from actually sane dissidents. When the scientific priests get to decide who is mentally ill, will you let them? Some snowflake hears you make a politically incorrect noise such as “there is no such thing as a man who is a woman”, and off you go to the gulag for re-indoctrination. Meanwhile your family is swat teamed at home and all your guns disappear. And them too after they decide the family enabled your instability. Perhaps I am (heh) jumping the gun here, but we are in grave danger, if red flag laws (already abused in some states) are enacted nationwide.
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Good God. I did not know it was that bad in the UK. So the government gives women the ” just don’t struggle and enjoy it line.”
God help us al!
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No that is not what I want for the US. I really like this president, but he is not infallible. See what he suggests to do about the problem today. I will fight if he tries to infringe on the 2nd. There was no mental illness nor crime in the backgrounds of these shooters. One of the problems is the parents. Should we start issuing orders on parenting?
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They can crack down on the FBI to do a better job of not only monitoring these Waco people but doing something to stop them from committing these atrocious crimes.
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It’s the Eff-B-Eye that’s facilitating many of these mass shooting events. Same as the State Dept facilitating the support of ISIS.
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They’ve been too busy going after Tea Party people and trying to illegally oust our President. And they carry on as if white people are the utmost danger, when statistically speaking we’re much more docile than most others. Maybe FIB bias training didn’t work (eyeroll).
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“[Unrelated, Chinese financial markets are off-the-charts tonight as the currency is dropping like a rock, Beijing is intervening to stop the bleeding…. and Hong Kong workers are going on strike. Yikes, could be trouble.]”
Ruler for Life Xi just paid Biden’s son another $100 million and could be heard crying out, “Please Joe Biden, you have got to help me!”
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Sundance – could you explain your “Yikes, could be trouble!” comment?
I would think China’s market dropping would be good news for us because it means they will have to accept the deal that POTUS is offering now rather than trying to wait it out until after the 2020 election. If they appear to be unstable won’t that push more companies to head back to the US?
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If you were to check futures now, hey point to a bloodbath of sorts in US markets, with a 300-point sell-off at the open in the cards, in contrast with a nil gain in futures prior to the Chinese-contrived bedlam.
But you are right. Our great American economy is much stronger than any economy in the solar system. China is not a big deal anymore – it’s always been a paper tiger. I say the hell with them, to be quite honest.
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Just checked and the DJIA is down 500+ points as of 10:00 Eastern time. The globalists are panicking because they are losing their grip. I am going to assume that there is going to be a fair amount of volatility between now and 2020 as Trump’s policies fight against the Swamp/NWO folks but most of my investments are in longer tern vehicles so I’m not really too stressed.
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The best thing would be that the supply of under
the table Chinese money would dry up.
Think of all the rending of garments/ knashing of
teeth among your average:
Feinstein, Pelosi, Newsome,
and ( not too far a reach)
Tom Donahue, Chuck Schumer, Mitt Romney….
Would love to see the Chi Coms “Walking around
money” for politicians take a dramatic nose dive.
Might also see some “fire sale” signs in the yards
of some of our “journalists”.
I’m actually going to wait for a popcorn moment
on this. Watching the tea leaves closely.
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Well done. I stocked up with a large amount of ammo when the communist usurper Obama was elected president.
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You weren’t alone…..
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AR 80% lower receivers seem to be on sale from several on-line companies. Along with ammo stock up, might be good insurance to have a couple of AR lowers in the “sock’ drawer to be finished in the future, if needed.
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It isn’t the world’s worst idea to have some facility with machining and some tools on hand. John Moses Browning (PBUH) invented about 70% of modern weaponry in his home shop in Ogden, Utah — using tools that today seem primitive. You can drop a very capable CNC mill into your garage today for less than $10K ( https://www.tormach.com/store/index.php?app=ecom&ns=catshow&ref=PCNC440_STARTER_PKG&portrelay=1 ).
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Right now, several vendors can’t give away SKSs. And there are lots out there. Interested parties should look around. Stick a TAPCO 20-30 round mag in there with a 1 mil dot reflex sight on a BadAceTactical scope mount and you have a decent and *reliable* zombie platform. I’ll take mine with 2 springs and direct impingement vs. an 16″ tacticool AR platform any day of the week. I also hand load 150 gr PPU BTs in the 7.62s that sting steel at 230 yards at about 1.5 MOA. Not your basic 22. Of course, if your thinking something like a ACC blackout, a 6.5 Grendel, or 243…you can come sit next to me at the bench.
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Hope POTUS is focusing on the mental illness problem and not contemplating any more gun restrictions against honest citizens. The bump stocks ban was unnecessary but it was a trade-off to appease the Left (who will NEVER be appeased until all of our 2A rights are rescinded and our firearms forcibly confiscated).
But in the immediate aftermath of the murders, POTUS rightfully tried to be somewhat moderate in tone and I think he did that well today, despite the reporter’s attempt to box him in.
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Yes and all the while MSM will keep trying to whip up the mentally ill…..unless and until something is done about them crying fire in a crowded theater this will not stop. This is the job of the GOPe …Push them till they are sick of hearing it. They must do something about the push to do evil by media. If Putin had them executed in his country….well…..but we can use laws in this country and it has to be done…..They cause election fraud…wars…..millions of people have been killed because of their lies and deceit. And dont forget it is who owns them …MSM…..
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GB writes “attempt to box him in.”
Yup. He did do well. I noted that he steered it immediately to the real problem, which is when mentally ill people have a gun and actually act on some fixation they may have. But Red Flag Laws are problematic and I don’t see that any of our politicians are smart enough or willing to take the time to write something that doesn’t step on 2A rights or 1A rights, for that matter. It would be a difficult task. I hope it takes years and nothing is passed until they have it right.
Our government is notoriously bad at picking winners and losers so I have no hope whatsoever that our government can pick out the loonies who will go on a shooting spree vs. those who are just talking smack and would never go on a shooting spree. 1A and 2A go together. You have a right to ‘crazy talk’ and a right to bear arms, but you don’t have a right to just go out and start plugging people. It’s a conundrum.
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The red flag laws are intentionally poorly written in blue states. The left is successfully chipping away at the 2nd amendment IMHO
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An argument can be made that these shootings are acts of terror meant to destabilize and destroy our Constitutional Republic. Caving to the demands of the Enemedia, or propaganda arm of the New World Order, only facilitates more such atrocities. It is giving them what they want.
If we really want to stop these senseless acts of violence we cannot reward this violent behavior. They will have us talking in circles but the bottom line is this: the perpetrators who act out violently must be punished swiftly and severely. That is the only way to thwart copycats and restore the rule of law.
Our Constitutional Republic is not the problem. Those who would subvert it, by any means at their disposal, are the ones causing the violence. We need more law-abiding citizens carrying guns, not more gun-free zones to be exploited by these criminals.
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Thomas Wictor has a great thread on mental illness/deinstitutionalization on his new platform, Quodverum.
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There are reports that the police in El Paso took 20 minutes to get to the Walmart and waited outside like the police in Parkland and Columbine until the shooter ran out of ammo or victims whichever came first! The proof of that is the shooter ran out of bullets walked outside to the police and surrendered. They never entered the Walmart. By the shoddy looks of the El Paso police in the photographs maybe we shouldn’t blame them!!!
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Curious where you saw this information. I had heard he had already left the Walmart when the Police arrived. They were closing off the parking lots and pinned his car as he tried to leave and he surrendered. But, what I wonder is how did they know what kind of car he was driving? Unlike Dayton, still much information is missing.
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They will never fill in the blanks. The perps are always an enigma in these massacres and that is by design. The news cycle always moves on. Nothing to see here.
We MUST treat these false flags like Sundance has advised us to treat Crossfire Hurricane: Stick to the origin and don’t get lost in the weeds.
Focus on the PERSON committing the atrocity du jour, not what they project he is “feeling” when he does it. How can anyone know that? Hell, these people couldn’t gauge Hellary’s “intent” (not that it matters) so don’t even go there!
Otherwise, they will blame POTUS and infiltrate his rallies with agitators until our “hateful” voices are banned altogether. They will use “hate” to stop our rallies and take down more sites like CTH. This is as much about the first amendment as it is the second. Even more so, IMO. Don’t give them what they want.
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I think that the news coverage of all of the events
focuses heavily already on the “person” behind it.
IMO it winds up desensitizing people to the fact
that persons have lost their lives. It also desensitizes
people to the hardships that the survivors might
endure. Which can actually be worse then the other
alternative.
Painful surgeries, migratory blood clots, MRSA infections.
Paraplegia, quadraplegia, unrelenting Post Traumatic Stress
disorder. Loss of livelyhood, loss of home. Catastrophic
medical bills.
Some of this coverage actually glorifies the shooters.
The Rolling Stone cover featuring the glamor shot of the Boston
Marathon shooter, anyone?
The victims ( families permission first) should be the ones
that are being covered. The disruption of loved one’s lives for
no purpose. The loss of potential of a 20 something that is just
getting their feet on the ground. The dad that won’t come home
that was out having a drink with his single buddies. The person
that went to Wal Mart because they needed a loaf of bread, and
never came back home to make sandwiches with it.
Don’t know the answers, but maybe something called a conscience
could be awakened in some of these monsters in waiting if they
started hearing about what their possible actions might cause.
How many people would willingly put someone in a wheelchair
or blind someone for the rest of their lives, if they knew their anger
would result in that occurring?
Flame away, if you disagree. Gut feeling tells me that making victims
back into persons might cause some reconsidering. Right now, the
more demented think of them as NPCs.
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Unless you are a demented killer yourself, you cannot know what they are thinking or what triggers them to act out. You can’t compare apples to oranges.
Many killers have so little regard for life that they are even prepared to die themselves. Ever hear of suicide by cop? What “normal” person does that?
Focusing on the victims has no real affect on cold-blooded psychopaths, who actually enjoy inflicting pain on others. Nor does sympathy alone save anybody from these killers.
The media in fact agitates them, at the same time convincing normal people to submit to their torture. Talk about a symbiotic relationship!
Focusing on banning the weapons used by psychopaths, does not stop said criminals from unlawfully obtaining a weapon, because criminals are lawbreakers by nature. Laws don’t ever slow them down.
Normal people follow rules, value their own lives and feel empathy towards others. Taking away their Constitutional right to protect themselves does not stop psychopaths from their killing sprees. In fact, psychopaths are encouraged by “gun free zones” where they know their victims are helpless.
The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun, is a good guy with a gun. Our founding fathers knew what they were doing.
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If the president decides to impose additional gratuitous “gun-control” laws that abridge our 2nd Amendment rights to keep an bear arms with no governmental infringements, he can damn well kiss his 20-20 election goodbye. Gun-controllers constantly tells us that they support the 2nd Amendment but just want “commonsense gun-control laws” but then we discover that what they really want is gun-confiscation. An armed citizenry protects us against tyranny. You either support the 2nd Amendment . . . or you don’t. You can’t have it both ways.
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Good! Then you can welcome President Sanders or the first woman President Kamala Harris and see how well that 2nd Amendment holds up?
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Something like this Joe…
Bad Cop Kamala Harris calls for house to house searches to confiscate firearms
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2019/08/bad_cop_kamala_harris_calls_for_house_to_house_searches_to_confiscate_firearms.html
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Kamala’s house should be searched first, including any security she hires. It’s only right.
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If we lose any portion of the “intent” of the second amendment it won’t matter who
is president. We, as a nation, are done.
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Perhaps the sheep will wake up and get ready for the fight. If not, and they give up their freedom, they deserve to die as slaves. “As for me…”
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I didn’t say I’m not going to vote for him again. I am simply saying that the gun culture in America will see this as a major betrayal and millions of gun-owners will simply stay home.
Trump has to understand this. This is a time for him to defend 2nd Amendment rights. If he doesn’t, he will almost surely loose and the nation will be worse off because of it. If he goes for gun-control he rings a bell that can’t be un-rung. Gun owners will not forgive him of that.
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I am a gun owner. Any gun owner that “stays home” in 2020 is damn fool.
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Agree completely. If he enacts federal red flag laws he is done. He must choose- capitulation to the ridiculous rhetoric and narratives of the insane left- or do what’s right and defend his oath to honor and protect the Constitution. The 1st Amendment is being trampled on and now the 2nd Amendment being threatened. With people like Wray still calling the shots. And no-one held accountable from the coup. And the invasion at the border continues at unprecedented levels. While we are demonized every day for daring to love our country and the principles it was founded on, or daring to support our president. And yet the leftist insanity from the media continues to frame the narrative.
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I don’t look for any knee-jerk or gratuitous gun control push from PT45. Ain’t happening. PT45 understands root causes and that is what must be addressed.
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Thank you, woohoowee! Lots of grumbling on this thread, again people assuming they know what our President is going to do, or fretting about “if he does this, if he does that.”
Parents don’t mention a trip that they’re planning to Disneyland because the kids will pester them about it. Perhaps President Trump needs to treat us like children and not give hints about any announcements so as to prevent all the whining and fussing about what he might say.
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PDJT: “We have to get it stopped.”
Ain’t going to happen with the decline in culture, morals, and the family unit. Ain’t gonna happen.
The best way to solve this is locally, not federally. And I mean really locally – like in the HOME. In FL they saw something and said something but the corruption failed to stop anything. Laws are no good when they are not followed or are corrupted.
Why not use common sense?
1. Gun-free zones are shooting galleries for crazies. Stop this insanity. A sign is not going to stop a person bent on violence, it only disarms those that are law-abiding.
2. Open borders are invitations to crime. Close the border you feckless politicians. You are actively failing to protect American citizens.
3. STOP RUNNING NON-STOP MEDIA ON MASS SHOOTINGS. JUST STOP.
4. Secure schools, libraries, malls, theatres, and large arena-like areas the same way Federal buildings are secured.
5. Allow conceal carry in all States – 2A is a constitutional right. Have background checks and proper training for CPLs.
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Law & order starts from the top. But the 2 agencies at the tip of it, have failed miserably in setting the pace. No matter the distance PDJT puts between himself & them, they ultimately work under him. And thus far, they’re a negative reflection on his administration.
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I disagree with number 4. Gun-free zones are the problem, not the solution. We don’t need more of them. Otherwise I agree with your post.
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I was responding to Rynn69, not Steven Edwards. Rynn is basically on point.
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What’s with this Call of Duty, First Person Shooter Video Game?
Why are 12-17 y-o watching more video games than tv and movies?
Where are their parents?
Why is ‘life’ so de-valued in America, particularly since Roe v Wade?
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Oh crapola! Do you not trust your child to watch video games, then not go out
and shoot people? Do you not trust your child to know it is only a game?
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I’d guess that most children can handle it. However, the more vulnerable children, although aware that it’s only a game, after thousands of hours of subliminal messaging and deadening of sensitivity toward others without the antidote that attentive, loving parents bring, are affected negatively. Add meds to the mix and “crapola” to the nth degree is the result..
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There is no empirical evidence—none, trust me on this—that shows that normal individuals are induced to perform violent acts, or even act in ways they would not normally act, from watching violence or playing “violent” video games. There is an errant stupidity in the minds of many people that just watching or playing violent games somehow overcomes normal people’s volitional controls and causes them to behave differently. Despite it not being true, people stubbornly defend this belief because they are repulsed by the games themselves and are upset that other people like them.
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Unrelated, Tonight China told America that they will not buy our Ag products and the markets are nose diving Their market seems a bit worse than ours and I pray that something will change but china will play hard ball but No more than President Trump will They are hitting at the wrong person here and he always says We will wait and see what happens
The whole world seems to be sitting President Trumps shoulders tonight as the Iranians took another transport ship Since it does not belong to the USA maybe we cant do anything to change what they are doing
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We produce 34% of the world’s soybean production. If someone wants to throw a hissy fit and purchase soybeans from #2, Brazil (30%), that’s usually going to mean that Brazil’s usual customers get shorted…….and, then, they’ll just buy replacement soybeans from the US.
The real and nasty soybean situation is because a lot of Chinese soybean purchases are for animal feed — and China has an outbreak of African Swine Fever ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_swine_fever_virus ) that has reduced their pig population by 40 million (10%?) (using official stats).
They can go around this by importing pork from the US……which would be fed using US soybeans…..but I suspect there’s just not enough out there — and that leads to one of the Four Horsemen, Famine.
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Only thing Trump needs to do for America is issue an executive order declaring all infringements on the 2A and all present gun free zones null and void.
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fantasies are nice.
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Kyle Bass
@Jkylebass
GAMETIME – CNH collapsing…HKD won’t be far behind. Mass Exodus of capital out of CNH and HKD. This collapse has just begun. #china #hk #bankingandcurrencycollapse
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@Jkylebass
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They are simply out of USD. They couldn’t prop up their own currency any longer. How many wealthy ccp members do you know that want to keep their money and their kids in china?
Kyle Bass
@Jkylebass
General Strike in HK to be held Monday. beijing’s murderous regime might be able to crack down on protests with criminal gangs and army officers but HK’s economy is run by its people. Fight against the brutality of carrie lam(b) and xiao jinping. #antiELAB #HK
@HongKongFP
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chinese currency (USD/CNH) 1 month vol has exploded tonight from 5.6% before the fixing to 9% Not a single price or trade for USD/KRW either…complete short-circuit in Asia. There was plenty of warning for this one…#chinesecurrencyandbankingcollapse
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They’re out of dollars at some point. Look at the forward position of the chinese banks. We estimate they have sold $450 billion forward atbthis point in time. Remember what Korea did in 1998? $ reserves had already been sold and they hadn’t told anyone.
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Here we go…….
First of all you keep all politics away from our gun laws…..
Do no give an inch……or eventually they will take our guns.
Secondly…..has anyone been to Singapore?
Yea…Yea……I know…..people think you get arrested for spitting on the sidewalk.
That’s not actually true, but I won’t argue the point.
Do you know what they do for murder? You are hanged.
Do you know what they do for most felonies?
They “cane” you. They have a bamboo cane that is split about halfway into several strips. Has anyone ever see those movies where the sailor is whipped with a “cat o nine tails?” Same thing..
I witnessed a “caning”. …..few people can stay conscious after two lashes.
Do you know what they do if you pass out from the pain?
They wake you back to consciousness and finish the lashings.
Guess what……..There is virtually no crime in Singapore.
When someone commits such a shooting we should be like the old West.
Are their witnesses? Yes. Did he kill people? Yes.
Hang him or her. On the spot. Even if they are shot and killed.
Be like Judge Roy Bean…..Hang them still.
Then this craziness would virtually stop.
More laws never work…..I have read it all here….It’s because of drugs….mental illness….assault weapons…..yada….yada…
But what got me going is the statements of “giving concessions” for politics.
No……
They did the same thing to Australia…..only took them about ten years.
Now…..no guns in Australia.
Hang them……they will get the message quick.
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Amen a million times over Gunny66!
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Why stop at Red Flag Laws just for firearms? How long will it be until Red Flag’s will be applied to “free speech”. That can be dangerous to any regime.Hell theres talk already to make it a crime to criticize politicians. Slippery slope. Crazy idea- let’s hold the medical profession accountable for handing out phsycotropic drugs like gumdrops and sending the mentally ill on their merry way.Crazy idea II: bring back mental institutions instead of having open air asylums. Look how well that’s working in L.A.
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“Hate has no place in our country” is cultural Marxist dribble. “Violence” is a crime in our country, not “hate.” Americans have all sorts of feelings and opinions and we are free to express them under our Constitution, unlike say, the EU where merely speaking truth to power is deemed a “hate crime” that warrants arrest.
So hate actually *does* have a place in our country, as does love and sadness and a whole gamut of emotions. We don’t legislate our feelings in our Constitutional Republic. The crime we are addressing here is the physical act of “violence” against another human being, not some “feeling” ascribed by cultural Marxists, to silence people they don’t agree with.
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Quote – “Take our hatred to God and ask God what only he can do! For hatred will be fatal if it is allowed to remain and fester inside us.”
Excerpt form Preacher Mike Cope —- Psalm 137 (on hate)
http://preachermike.com/2009/12/01/psalm-137-entrusting-god-with-our-hatreds
“Lewis Smedes said about forgiveness: that it has four stages: (1) we hurt; (2) we hate; (3) we heal; and (4) we come together. Listen again to those first two: we hurt, and we hate.”
“Psalm 137 isn’t vigilante justice. He isn’t heading out with a posse to round up all the infants. This isn’t King Herod! Rather, he’s trusting God to take the honest truth and deal with the venom. He takes his hatred to God and asks God to do what only he can do. For hatred will be fatal if it is allowed to remain and fester inside us.”
Happy are those who repay you
According to what you have done to us.
Happy are those who seize your infants
And dash them against the rocks.
(Psalm 137, TNIV) (Jews were captive in Babylon)
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I am not defending hatred, per se. I am merely pointing out that nobody can legislate how we feel. Feelings are subjective, and nobody except God can truly know what we hold in our hearts.
In our Constitutional Republic, thoughts and feelings are freely expressed, not criminalized. The “crime” is the act of violence against another human being.
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I know you were not defending hatred. We will feel anger, rage and even hate and need to express those feelings to God…. Psalm 137 seems pretty cruel “smashing babies”…. it was the expression of great suffering the Jews experienced in Babylon and many times before! …. Let God sort it out!
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I hate lefty socialist/communist/Marxist types; and, yes, I think THAT sentiment has a place in our country.
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I thought the Supreme Court would have thrown out “Hate Crimes” when they enacted it. It is ridiculous making emotions a crime.
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It sure is. In fact, making emotions a crime negates the first amendment. Marxists already know this, which is why they pushed the phrase “hate” crime until it became part of the lexicon.
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And notice how marxists morphed the phrase “white supremacism” with “nationalism” to make love of country, or national sovereignty, a dirty word.
You don’t have to be “white” to love the USA, or any nation for that matter. Nationalism has nothing to do with being a “white supremicist.” Only now it does. Somehow.
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– amjean
#Me _Two_ [*]
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[*]”MeToo” has been ruined, maybe forever.
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As to the aside about Chinese markets, a very interesting headline at macrumors.com, that “Kuo: Apple Likely to Absorb Any US Tariff Cost Increases on iPhone, iPad, and Mac”. The story itself says “It’s still unclear if Apple’s products will come under the tariffs on toys, games, and consumer electronics, but if they do, Kuo believes Apple will absorb most of the additional costs in the mid-short term while increasing its non-Chinese production locations to avoid rising costs in the long run.” The money quote, so to speak, is the bit about increasing non-Chinese production …
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Re: Sundance’s China notation, woohoo! – I think I see history rhyming again like Mark Twain described. This whole situation is just awesome to behold:
4 So Moses said, “This is what the Lord says: ‘About midnight I will go throughout Egypt. 5 Every firstborn son in Egypt will die, from the firstborn son of Pharaoh, who sits on the throne, to the firstborn son of the female slave, who is at her hand mill, and all the firstborn of the cattle as well. 6 There will be loud wailing throughout Egypt—worse than there has ever been or ever will be again. 7 But among the Israelites not a dog will bark at any person or animal.’ Then you will know that the Lord makes a distinction between Egypt and Israel. 8 All these officials of yours will come to me, bowing down before me and saying, ‘Go, you and all the people who follow you!’ After that I will leave.” Then Moses, hot with anger, left Pharaoh.
9 The Lord had said to Moses, “Pharaoh will refuse to listen to you—so that my wonders may be multiplied in Egypt.” 10 Moses and Aaron performed all these wonders before Pharaoh, but the Lord hardened Pharaoh’s heart, and he would not let the Israelites go out of his country.
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The LORD makes a distinction between the left and the right, the truth and error. Thanks for pointing that out.
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First we are called Deplorables. Next there is a Red Flag…then we will be called mentally ill. (The Left already thinks we are this)
😥😥😥😥😪😪😪😪
I hope and pray our leaders will protect us from this-not looking good however.
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Faith, hope, and love. These three.
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Giving up our right to protect our life and liberty is not the answer to murderers. The innocent gun owners are not at fault here but instead it is the media constantly spewing hatred and the mentally ill in our cities disguised as homeless.
This is murder and the weapon has nothing to do with it. At the end of next week he should be hanging and we move on. End of story.
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My 2 cents on this. Any new gun law will not stop this. They will chip away at the 2nd amendment until it’s impossible to own a ‘legal’ weapon.
Why do law abiding citizens have to give up their rights?
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“Why do law-abiding citizens have to give up their rights?” Because Totalitarians do not believe in our rights. They don’t believe in freedom of thought. They don’t believe in national borders. They “HATE” our Constitutional Republic. See what I did there? 😉
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Using the stats I’ve already posted here it should be abundantly CLEAR that we are discussing a topic that causes an absolutely, positively MICROSCOPIC percentage of firearm casualties in the US and based upon that fact ALONE, not even considering that further restrictions WILL NOT prevent such things, there should be no further long-term slippery slope restrictions placed on firearm ownership.
What THE STATE might eventually define to be “mentally unfit” or “exhibiting dangerous behavior” cannot be known, but we can learn from past examples (lies) like, for instance, “Firearm registration will never be used for firearm confiscation or put you in legal jeopardy for violation of a future law banning a particular type of firearm by virtue of ownership of a firearm that was perfectly legal when you bought it.”
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Why Does the Media Only Talk About Guns?
http://jpfo.org/articles-2019/media-only-talks-guns.htm
The opinion piece, titled “Kyoto Animation arson killings didn’t get much attention because we couldn’t demonize guns,” was written by James Alan Fox and appeared in USA TODAY.
It was Fox’s first line that sort of stopped me in my tracks: “The Kyoto Animation killing left 34 dead, but it didn’t have much impact because we don’t pay attention to mass killings without guns. We should.”
The New York Times reported that “much was still unknown about the Thursday fire, which appeared to be Japan’s worst mass killing in decades. The police … identified a suspect in the case,” and that suspect “told the police that he started the fire because he believed the studio, Kyoto Animation, ‘stole a novel’ from him.”
The more I read, the more unsettled I became. Why was it that one country’s “worst mass killing in decades” made but a splash on the media’s radar? According to Bearing Arms, “The reason the fire in Japan [didn’t] get more play is that it [didn’t] do anything for them. They [couldn’t] spin it, make it a bigger story, so they [didn’t] devote the coverage to it. They’ll save that for when they can push to take away our right to keep and bear arms.”
In his op-ed, Fox agrees: “The limited attention here in the United States cannot be explained away on account of distance. Compare the coverage with that of the mosque shootings last March in Christchurch, New Zealand, a location even farther from our shores. U.S. newspapers and wire services featured the Christchurch massacre five times as much as the Kyoto mass murder.”
He continues: “Mass shootings remain one of the most widely discussed topics here in the United States. By comparison, we just don’t seem to be as unnerved by mass killings carried out by other methods, unless of course they hint of terrorism, be it of foreign or domestic origin.”
He makes an incredibly logical point and even points out how, in our own country — maybe especially in our own country — people tend to move on quickly from any mass murder that doesn’t involve guns.
He writes, “It would be hard to find adults anywhere in this country who do not remember when 12 victims were gunned down at a cinema in Aurora, Colorado, in 2012. It would be equally difficult to find folks outside of Nevada who do recall when 12 victims succumbed to smoke inhalation at a Reno hotel in 2006, when an irate resident set fire to a stack of old mattresses and caused the building to become engulfed in flames. Few outside of New York City likely recall the 87 killed in 1990 at the Happy Land nightclub in a fire deliberately set by an ex-boyfriend of an employee. The death toll was nearly twice as high as Orlando’s Pulse nightclub massacre in 2016, a crime that remains fresh in our collective memories.”
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You nailed it, Zippy. My first thought when I heard about El Paso was O, no more gun grabbing media. The media has completely overdone the guns are bad story line.
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*O, no. More gun grabbing media
*guns-are-bad story line
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I’m delighted to see links to the jpfo !
A great organization, all gung-ho PTrump, of course!
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The Guy in Dayton maybe,. but the guy in El Paso was NOT a “Mental Health Issue.” this guy was sane as you or I, radicalized to some dogma yes, and evil, yes but able to form and execute a plan with rationality. Red Flag Laws target people that “think Differently.” At least that is how it will be used. to a recently trained “mental Health Professional”, anyone how likes guns or hunting, or owns a gun is mentally ill. “They have trained all medical practitioners to tell you guns in you home are far more dangerous to you than a criminal, and to ask of guns are in the home, along with other “risk assessment questions” such as “Do you drink” or “do you smoke.”
Putting gun ownership in the hands of a wildly leftist cohort such as Mental Health practitioners
puts us back to the 8 states that are “may issue’ verses “shall issue” only now it will be “May own’ instead of “Can own.”
I don’t see a way out politically right now, but expect when a Dimm finally reaches all three branches for this to be used against gun owner on a wide spread scale.
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I will note one thing I should have pointed out above: In El Paso, everyone interviewed experienced denial at hearing the gunshots, reacted too slowly then followed the “run, hid, fight” training.
In Dayton the reports were that one patron in the bar met the guy and grabbed the barrel of the rifle, wrestled it, and forced the shooter to go for a handgun. By then the police were there and shot him dead.
The only thing that will be effective is to reinforce to everyone, which the run/hide/fight does not, that you do have an innate, Constitutionally protected right to protect yourself and others, and you may use it if you reasonably feel threatened. The only thing that stops these sane but evil and resolved people is the resistance of even one person of action.
The when you enact UBC and Red Flag, enact enabling legislation for the 2A, and make it the law of the land in all 50 states..
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“radicalized”
And, possibly, INCITED/MANIPULATED. See the NYT article link I’ve posted elsewhere on his use of the anonymous forum 8chan. Nothing about manipulation in that article, that’s just my obvious observation of that possibility.
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Just emerged this morning that schoolmates of the Ohio shooter said he kept a hit list and a rape list! They were discovered, he was suspended, The schoolmates said red flags were raised about him years ago.
He was in school, so he was living at home. Why did his parents not do something about it? The parents do shoulder responsibility in this; if my child had done such things and been suspended, you can be sure his father and I would have been all over this, and he would have been in care/treatment with our eye on him. But my children would never have been satan worshippers either. Didn’t his parents know about the satanic influence? So many questions!
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No place for hate? Then reform the public educational system and higher ed ivory towers. Nip the underpinnings of the source of the hate in the bud. The teachers, professors, admin of these places spread hate, radicalism and perversion like wildfire.
Start with the Teachers Unions..bust them up now. That way top cover is gone for public school teachers who propagate hate in our younger kids. Make fed review of teachers a must so you can fire the perps. Require all public schools to install basic economics classes and actual unbiased history classes that are not “interpretations” of history.
Get rid of tenure in the Universities. Dock the schools that teach the crap and incite the hatred of the country. Many of the professors and especially their adjuncts and TA’s need review if students supply proof of their radical advocacy.
Issue an EO covering this and announce it with the ties to radicalism that are pervasive in the whole educational system.
Do it while you can, POTUS.
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If this has been posted and hashed over I missed it..I’m old..so is anyone else wondering about the timeline of the police response to Ohio? Seems they must have been very very close to get to the scene and take the shooter down within the time frame that was suggested. To me it’s like Roger Stone’s situation when there was the “midnight” raid and lights, camera and action were there for that…I’m open to hear how others would interpret this…
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Washington Examiner reporting Ohio shooter was an Elizabeth Warren supporter. Let’s see how fast the media spikes this story or pivots to make it about all guns. https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/dayton-shooter-reportedly-supported-gun-control-elizabeth-warren-and-socialism
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Good grief… I hope there aren’t a lot of bridges where you guys are located.
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What Trump and Conservative pundits need to do is publicly ask the Democrat politicians is if they want to ban “semi auto weapons”, do they propose the ban for the tens of millions of weapons already owned by law abiding citizens. If no, then what would the ban accomplish in their mind? If yes, what if the law abiding citizens don’t want to turn them in or sell them via a mandatory buyback? Are you going to charge them with a crime? Or you going to go door to door and confiscate them? What are you going to do if the law abiding people resist? Are you going to have the police kill them? Let these Democrats publicly state this and then put them in the campaign commercials for the Presidential election.
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Seven good questions posed by EB. Too bad the Dems will not respond.
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I happened upon a great video by Dr. Steve Turley on the media manipulation of shootings/murders like these. In short when it can harm Trump, the shooter represents part of a whole. But when the shootings/murders might reflect on Dem. policies, the shooter becomes a rogue individual. Watch the video. Very enlightening.
https://mail.google.com/mail/ca/u/0/?pli=1#inbox/FMfcgxwDqdzqSDJZPSQXJdqMDJqpbnnJ
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Help me out here…why does President Trump listen to his idiot daughter and son-in-law? I did not vote for them. He needs to be very very very careful about this. He will lose many if he isn’t.
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So, they will need more intrusive tools to check on your thoughts. Spying on every one 24/7 — their emails, their social media accounts, their phone calls!!!!! If they hear a “prohibited”
word, they show up at your door, take your guns, and put you on the “can not buy list.” If you don’t like it you can sue to get them back. First, however, a government psychologist interviews you, then the police interview all your friends, probably the FBI too. Must go to court too. $50,000 later, after a vast bureaucratic possess you get them back — maybe! All over a $500 hand gun. The ban on “assault” guns in the 90’s got legislatively rescinded as there was no impact. This new approach is meant to intimidate all to not buy guns to begin with!! And will also have a secondary effect of keeping people who need psychological help away from getting it. Result, things get massively worse. THEN a NEW gov solution? Every one gets a “brain wave” hat — the moment you have a unapproved thought you are immediately executed. See — no more “unsanctioned killings.”!!! LOL
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Sorry, but I find Gowdy’s validation of Sandy Hook and Pulse disturbing. Prof James Tracey was fired from a tenured position and had his website shut down because of the yuge man-hours of citizen-analysis on that site questioning SH. “Hate”? AFAIK, there’s no such thing as “hate” crime. Either it’s a crime, or it isn’t. Not buying the “hate” rhetoric.
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Please already
President Trump is for the NRA and the right to bare
Arms.
You are ridiculous time wasters to inject anything else.
Substance not BS.
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