Butte County Wildfire Update: Death Toll 81, Missing Persons 870, Lost Homes 12,637…

The latest updates from Paradise, California, according to Butte County Sheriff and Cal Fire:

  • Two more bodies located Friday.  Death toll now: 81
  • Number of Missing Persons rises again to: 870  [list here]
  • Number of homes lost is now: 12,637
  • Number of commercial buildings lost is now: 483

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161 Responses to Butte County Wildfire Update: Death Toll 81, Missing Persons 870, Lost Homes 12,637…

  1. theresanne says:

    This is so sad. That first picture looks like a cemetary…for houses.

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    • bertdilbert says:

      It used to be that living in CA, you only had to deal with earthquakes as a potential natural disaster. Now you need a earthquake survival kit and fire survival kit. Hard to imagine 1 k homes destroyed let alone over 12.5 K.

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      • DanW says:

        Speaking of “The Big One” (earthquake) to strike and devastate CA, that obviously is all BS to scare people out of CA. Otherwise, why would the globalists want CA so bad to burn people out so they can rebuild it to their plans?

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        • rojobirds says:

          Conspiracy theory much there Dan?

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          • paris23 says:

            No, it is actually documented. It is not conspiracy theory. Please, listen to Deborah Tavares on youtube at stopthecrime. She also has a website stopthecrime (I believe it is a dot net page). She has posted a lot of documents there. She has gathered official documents from all over the place. I don’t want to repeat any of it, as I haven’t studied it and may make a mistake. But you have to understand that UN Agenda 21 plans to clear Californians off the land. The fires just happen to correspond to areas they plan to clear of people. Look at a video by Greg Reese on youtube. He is very good. He recently posted a 4 minute video about this. You can get an overview in just 4 minutes.

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            • Deplorable_Infidel says:

              “UN Agenda 21 plans to clear Californians off the land.”

              They will be working on other areas as well. I have seen these measures being implemented around WNY (the Buffalo area) for the past 10-15 years now.

              https://www.democratsagainstunagenda21.com/

              “UN Agenda 21/Sustainable Development is the action plan implemented worldwide to inventory and control all land, all water, all minerals, all plants, all animals, all construction, all means of production, all energy, all education, all information, and all human beings in the world. INVENTORY AND CONTROL.—-Rosa Koire”

              They state that is goal RIGHT IN THEIR OWN DOCUMENTS! They are not even trying to hide it.

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            • rojobirds says:

              Hahaha. And many on this site believe Californians are insane? hahahaha….

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        • LULU says:

          Sorry, but this is silliness…

          The wishful thinking in the flat square states about California’s succumbing to an earthquake is nothing more than spiteful wishful thinking. Has nothing to do with globalists. As for as native Californians are concerned, come or leave. It’s up to you. We love it here. Always have.

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          • Gil Stonebarger says:

            so sorry to hear that.. BTW, there are no “native californians”

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            • would you please stop that? I am second generation Californian. Where do you want me to call myself native from??

              Pick your battles and allow that some of us native Californians are fighting the good fight and deserve some respect and ought not to have to argue silly ideas about whether we are or are not native to a state into which we were legally born.

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      • Curry Worsham says:

        Don’t forget the mudslide survival kit.

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      • Curry Worsham says:

        Don’t forget the mudslide survival kit.

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      • Kris Langley says:

        I lived in Southern California from 1962 through 1992. Santa Ana winds, brush fires, and rainstorm-generated mudslides were always a part of life there – depending upon which specific area (LA: 1962-1976, SLO: 1976-1982, SD: 1982-1992) you lived in.

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        • LULU says:

          We have seasonal winds. When we are fortunate, we have seasonal rains. We sometimes have fires. Our state is not flat – that is one of the things that makes it so beautiful – so sometimes there are mudslides.

          We do not have tornadoes or hurricanes. Ice storms. Blizzards.

          We all have choices.

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        • Smurfette says:

          How about statistics before the 1960s?

          DEW have been around for at least 50-60 years as soon as the stealth Fourth Reich escaped after suiciding Hitler for global consumption purposes. It is actually very OLD technology kept secret.

          Why do you suppose the Skulls and Bones Secret Society meet every year in a tomb like structure with NO WINDOWS since the days of Prescott Bush, Nazi fornicator? Who else is part of the society? GWB, John Kerry, and some guy called Potter. No kidding, of the Harry Potter series fame aggrandizing secret wizards. John Kerry went on to marry Heinz ketchup heiress. There are no coincidences.

          You cannot defeat an enemy of this dire nature if we choose to remain incredulous. It has all the signs of the work reminscent of Nazi Pigs. No more, no less.

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          • Deplorable_Infidel says:

            “You cannot defeat an enemy of this dire nature if we choose to remain incredulous.”

            You are absolutely correct. Too many people have sat on their behinds for decades while the schools, government, etc. was overrun by evil. “Those who do not learn from history are condemned to repeat it”.

            “…In THE 25 POINT PROGRAMME of the Reich, you see a few demands which can be nationalists’ demands too but as you go further, the system to implement these “demands” and the justifications are quite an authoritative centralization of power and the result was what we saw in Nazi Germany…”.

            https://ellacruz.org/2018/10/06/3110/

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            • I went to farms and ranch areas around the San MAteo coast, some of whom had been there for 100 years. First the land was appraised out of their price range and then most of their mineral and land rights were grabbed by big government/open land…I personally talked to these folks and got the story from them. Exhausted younger generation just hold on to do minimal work for their aging parents but have no hope of keeping their homesteads.

              It is most certainly agenda 21 or if you want to look back to the days of Zorro, think of the land rich gentry and the land poor who had no rights.

              View the stack and pack housing that is popping up all over cities that used to deplore buildings over 2 stories tall and apartment dwellings; but now cannot build these sardine sites fast enough. Own all the land for the elites and completely control the peasants, who have had all thoughts of family/home owning/self-reliance brainwashed out of them.

              TEll me something else: With all of these elites telling us that humans are absolute zeroes and should be more worried about planet/population control, etc….

              HOw exactly does that gibe with all of these programs pushing self-esteem and thinking so well of oneself?

              CRAZY times.

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        • piper567 says:

          In the late 50s and 60s, College fellas w/tuff 4-Wheelers used to make $$$ during “mudslide season”, which Always followed from the Annual canyon fires.
          They’d pull people’s belongings out of the mud.
          My Brother participated. A friend had an old Toyota 4-Runner.
          SoCal.

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      • Hun Driver Widow says:

        The most destructive element in California is Marxist Liberals and voter fraud. They are the cause of all this destruction with Jerry Brown, Gavin Newsom, Kamala Harris, ChiFeinstein, et al. being at the top of the list, IMO.

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        • mvneeds2016 says:

          That is the truth these AntiEverythingAmerican are the worst and so dangerous. They very obviously do not have the best interests of the residents of our state, CA in their hearts or minds but that of their globalist masters. Brown has sold/leased a great deal of our ports and lands to the Chinese, spent oodles of money on illegals and the greatest boondoggle of all, the stupid bullet train in the central part of our state. Now after the confusion over the ballot measure to rid us of the onerous gas tax, Brown is talking about diverting 30% of that money to non road repair uses. Dreading the installation of Newsom, he’s more of an idiot, my belief. I keep working on family to move out of this state, but it’s hard when they have good jobs, but there will be a tipping point for them eventually, of that I’m sure.

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        • I agree BUT must add that the board of education is right up there with them…and let us not forget the role that Planned Parenthood plays here. We are their home turf and these folks fund ALL campaigns on both sides, hence the resistance to their message being outed for the genocide call that it is

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      • Katherine McCoun says:

        This was a horrific tragedy and shows that disastrous policies affect us all whether we pay attention to politics or not. And the fires on this scale were unimaginably horrifying.

        However, dealing with the cycle of drought, wildfires and then mudslides in CA is nothing new. I was taught in college level geology at UNC 30 yrs ago that this is the normal cycle in CA. It has been known for many years. And, after the mudslides, people rebuild in the same spots but act surprised when it happens again. FEMA $ and our taxes go to the same types of disasters year after year because people think it won’t happen to me/here or think that the chances are too low to be taken seriously.

        Same with living on the South Eastern Coast & Hurricanes – normal. Same with tornados in flat areas in middle US. Same with floods along rivers, low lying areas along the coasts, etc. Same with earthquakes in all of the normal spots – including SC & along the Mississippi in TN/KY/MO. We have always added earthquake riders in NC and now in TN because while it isn’t frequent, earthquakes here are normal. Even the disaster in New Orleans was a common knowledge problem discussed years ago in my college geology and policy textbooks (since in textbooks must have been widely known and taught in many classes across the US). Knew I would Never live below a levee, esp. in New Orleans.

        Point is, all of these natural disasters are normal and come and go in cycles. We should expect them at some point if we live in an area where they happen. In TN, we Never live below a dam, along a river, on a flat wide open area (tornados), always have earthquake insurance and know where our gas turns off in case there is an earthquake. We think about weather patterns every time we choose a house/apartment to make sure we are protected from the directions tornados come – hedging our bets!

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        • Lindenlee says:

          I keep asking… Do these STATES with repeating disasters carry INSURANCE? And if not, why in the hell do my taxes go to bail out the results of bad ecological policy (as in CA), when the states and businesses, and homeowners themselves don’t bother to take basic care FOR THEMSELVES, FIRST?!?

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        • No, THESE residents had been begging for wider roads AND the state forestry had done no pruning. EPA and state government does NOT want off the grid.

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    • Thomas Holsinger says:

      It was a mobile home park.

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    • Winning 2018 says:

      The development of California housing defies common sense.

      Anywhere people can converse with neighbors from their windows without shouting, and see what meals are being served at table, means houses were built too close to one another.

      It is common in California for whole blocks of houses to burn down at one time (domino effect) because of IDIOCY.

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  2. nimrodman says:

    Well, I was gonna post this on the open thread but there’s some trash there that spoils this small grace that I’m wanting to convey.

    And I hesitated long to post it here in view of the tremendous human loss of life and tragedy.

    But it’s a small grace, one of God’s small graces I’d like to think.
    So here it is.

    Thanks, God, for your small graces.


    That’s him! Tearful pet owner reunites with her cat at a rescue centre after he escaped during the Camp Fire evacuations in northern California
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6409043/Tearful-pet-owner-reunites-cat-rescue-centre.html

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  3. Sepp says:

    Downloaded the list of the Missing and praying for each by name.

    It is good to note a few changes on this list from the previous one (names removed) and a few entries are still duplicates, but words fail.

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  4. Kristin says:

    What can one say with so much loss? I noticed a lot of the perished and the missing were in their 60 and older.
    All these people, God test their soul, will be immensely missed. So much sorrow.
    Rest In Peace.

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  5. tappin52 says:

    Unspeakable devastation. i have trouble trying to imagine the horror that those poor people suffered. Sometimes faith takes an awful beating in my heart.

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  6. Preppin247 says:

    Hope these people can eventually rebuild and wish them well….but does California have a regulation for flame retardant trees? Many look unburnt.

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    • wodiej says:

      I don’t know about the trees but they sure have a bunch of retarded environmentalists. If the state had allowed to thin out dry brush, this would not have happened. So the state needs to ask themselves what is more important, preserving some small portions of overgrown brush or human life? If you live in the state and put up with this stupid liberal crap, this is what is going to happen.

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    • Suzanne says:

      I noticed that as well… every house in the photo was burned right down to the foundation but all the surrounding trees would, which are in very close proximity, appear to be fine… how does that happen?

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      • Deplorable_Infidel says:

        “how does that happen?”

        I am speculating here, but I think the intense structure fires create an updraft from the heat rising and creating a slight downdraft/ sidedraft through the trees. Living trees have a high moisture content and conifers also have very thick, tar-like sap.

        There might be some radiant heat damage to the tree sides facing the fires that may not become apparent until weeks later. The structures burn to the ground because there is no firefighting apparatus pouring water on them.

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        • LULU says:

          Oaks have also been known to survive hellacious fires. In Alpine {CA] some years ago the large concrete block ranch home of friends ended up a pile of concrete blocks. The heat of the wildfire was so intense that it caused the mortar to disintegrate. Oak trees in the surrounding fields were spared and came back.

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        • kiskiminetas says:

          It seems clear to me that a directed energy weapon was used to destroy both the houses and cars. I have seen brick houses that have had fires where the bricks are still there. These homes were not decimated by forest fires but most likely from the sky by DEW drones.

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          • Jeff C says:

            Holy moly, please refrain from posting until you’ve removed your tin foil hat.

            Those of us who’ve lived in CA our whole lives understand exactly how this happened; a deadly mixture of poor planning, unchecked development, bureaucratic incompetence, sue-happy environmentalists, and cowardly leadership. Fire is a natural part of the California ecosystem and has been from time immemorial. Building a city of 27,000 people (many of them elderly with limited mobility) in this location was sheer insanity. This disaster had been eerily and almost exactly predicted for more than a decade.

            There is plenty of legitimate bad intent, corruption, and incompetence to go around without venturing off into science fiction fantasy land.

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            • FuBu says:

              Maybe you should remove your blinders and open your mind. We are living in a world that is so evil everything should be questioned. Who would have thought that anyone would come up with a scheme to remove a duly elected President of the U.S. or create a scheme to attempt to frame a U.S. Supreme Court Justice for sexual assault. We should all remain skeptical of any large scale “event” that is used against us. Think 911. Enough said.

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              • Jeff C says:

                Appreciate your comments but there is not a shred of evidence that this was caused by anything other than incompetence (and perhaps some corruption) on a grand scale. Those of us that live here know this first-hand. Claiming otherwise absent some sort of proof simply makes the writer lose credibility and look like a loony tune.

                Unlike this story, there is compelling documented evidence and a paper trail for the Kavanaugh smear and the plan to frame President Trump. Nothing of the sort exists here other than armchair analysts looking at a few photos and wildly speculating.

                HANLON’S RAZOR remains true:

                “Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.”

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            • kiskiminetas says:

              You are aware that there are those politicians and a globalist who basically runs P, G & E who want to build a high speed train through northern California all the way to Seattle? This being the case it is to be expected that the liberal leadership there, which is beholden to globalists, has no qualm in destroying these homes and people. It’s what they do!

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              • 4EDouglas says:

                OK I have been a professional Pilot and was an Aerial firefighter for 10 years.
                I have worked as a government contractor. For; The DoD,the energy. Army Corps of Engineers, the Dept. Of Agriculture BLM, BIA etc.
                I have never:
                1. encountered any sort of programmed pogrom against the American citizen thatwas such crazy,insane, Bravo Sierra as the hideous shinola that has come out of the Murder of Paradise…Ye it is Murder. Murder most foul. Human caused.
                Premeditated by some shadowy quasi world government org. -headed up by , of, course (whisper) ”Joos” .No. it is due to the crazy environmental the actions that caused the build up of trash and wood debris . in other words, Black is new Green..
                2. Also these: Directed power, Laser or GooGoo waves fro Aircraft, Satellites,
                or the Mythical HAARP waves ( which doesn’t even exist any more..) .They cover the real tragedy of Mismanagement hostile to humanity environmental laws,
                callous disregard for saftey, and the need for this to be examene don a national stage. Deal with reality. Put down the Bong.. Get out of the basement, go to Califre sign up ,swing a Pulaski, load airtankers at McClellan, Chico or Redding..
                Make a difference fight.

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          • 4EDouglas says:

            These people are, simply, put Ghouls ..
            This is a bigger thing than the tinfoil hat theories that are seeking to find the answer-that doesn’t exist. No different than the enviros who blame this on
            Trump. Stop it please.

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          • Gil Stonebarger says:

            when it is finally unveiled on the battle field, all the naysayers will act like they are shocked, shocked I tell you. EVERYTHING was a conspiracy THEORY at one time, pay no attention to the folks with thier heads buried

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        • piper567 says:

          D_I, I tend to agree w/you.
          There are all manner of pressure issues generated by the fire itself.
          Lotsa downdrafts, plus lateral wind.
          In addition, the high% of synthetic material in the mobile homes in the area burn with high heat, and very rapidly.

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      • auscitizenmom says:

        The live trees have moisture in them and don’t burn as easily. The dry, dead trees and brush is just tinder.

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        • 4EDouglas says:

          Very likely they are cooked anyway. Seen this time and again….

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        • Bendix says:

          That’s part of the reason you don’t see hellacious fires in New York’s Adirondack forests.
          It tends to be on the wet side.
          A visitor from southern California once specifically mentioned to me that he did not expect to find New York so hot and humid in the summer months.
          We had a fire up at Lake George during what we call a drought, but that had help from some people from NYC who got lost hiking and built a fire to stay warm overnight.
          My Australian friend hates it when I refer to droughts because it hasn’t rained significantly in a few weeks.
          I’m thinking of how, in a home fireplace, you can get a roaring fire going, but sometimes when it gets down to ashes and goes out, there are still chunks of wood or paper in it.

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      • Benson II says:

        Can’t say the tree close to the houses look fine. It looks like all the low hanging limbs are gone compared to the trees further away.

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      • v4ni11ista says:

        Our houses are filled with plastics. The upholstery you sit on, the carpeting, flooring, countertops, appliances, even the paint on the walls and vinyl siding is plastic. Petroleum based plastics. Conifers are evolved (or designed if you prefer) to be resistant to fire. Comb up some carpet fibers and put a match to them. You’ll see why houses burn so fast and completely

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      • Winning 2018 says:

        Building materials, and persistent changing wind currents.

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    • davidb says:

      @ preppin…….Speaking from the Butte fire 2015 knowledge, when my friend started rebuilding, the permit requirements are crazy. He had to get soil samples to prove that there was no heavy metals in the soil, which in that area is high naturally. All the old gold mines from the past added to the problem. They even had to bring in top soil to satisfy the goober mint agencies. He has 20+ acres but no dirt met the specs. Then the other permits and inspections can easily surpass 20K. By the time he is finished rebuilding last year…..yes it took over a year before a shovel hit the ground, and he is a contractor, his home and property has devalued before the paint was dry. If he wanted to escape Ca, his potential buyers would not speak english, rely on goober mint backed loans requiring tons of more inspections and new building codes added, such as sprinkler or water holding tank for fire suppression, and lower prices for a “burned” view.

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    • paris23 says:

      Go online and watch some videos about the fires. You will learn a lot. All the fires of the last few years have this pattern – -houses burned to dust and trees untouched. Cars with melted engine blocks. This requires a fire much hotter than a usual forest fire. I am not a scientist and don’t want to put myself out here, but people think weapons were involved — DEW weapons. The UN wants people off this land. The test for me will be if people are allowed to rebuild. If they make it impossible for people to return, to rebuild, to continue to live there then we will know this was part of the agenda (UN Agenda 21). This state is run by criminals.

      Jerry Brown’s response to this is to allow landowners to cut down some of their trees and build some roads. This can’t possibly fully address the problem. The state itself plans to take no action, apparently. We also need the feds to take action. Our forests are filled with dead trees and the feds own that. They need to clear the underbrush which hasn’t been addressed in decades. We need controlled burns, whatever they can do. I despair of any real action at all being taken, because even though Trump is the president our government is filled with leftist criminals.

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      • 4EDouglas says:

        How about actually fighting fire for a living and /or volunteer .?
        You might actually stop suffering fro Tinfoil poisoning..

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      • Gil Stonebarger says:

        pay no attention to the “commenter” below. I will Guarantee you THEY believe some things that are pretty far out there….probably a sessions fan still to this day

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      • Deplorable_Infidel says:

        “This requires a fire much hotter than a usual forest fire.”
        “Cars with melted engine blocks.”

        Like what you get when you combine all the rubber, plastics, and other synthetics contained in the modern automobile.

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      • Winning 2018 says:

        Pseudo-Government Brown regulated logging in August 2018 and shifted funds away from forests to border invaders.
        By the time President Trump finished “conferencing” with Brown, the man stood as though he’d been cut down from a whipping post with 25 lashes across his back….

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    • Off the grid folks are not expected to survive in California so I presume they will just get used to being integrated into Chico, much as those evacuated from New Orleans have stayed in Houston.

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  7. wodiej says:

    I’m sending out prayers that God will direct the state to use some sense and realize that human and animal life is more important than not thinning out some dry brush. It’s not going to be preserved anyway if it burns up in a fire.

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    • beach lover says:

      You would think at some point the state of CA, or rather the mindset of it’s liberal leaders, would get some small grain of commonsense. But, I think they would rather rule over devastation than to admit their policies are a failure.

      And the liberal media is helping them do it.

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    • LULU says:

      Most of the forest land in California is national forest. Talk to the fed, too…

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      • We have a lot of federal forest land here in Colorado and have yearly forest fires.

        But we do not have the California eco nuts and their lawsuits that prevent the federal government from managing the land within our state boundaries properly.

        Our federal lands catch fire but we never have had the property and human life loss like what is seen here.

        This is all due to the California crackpots and their laws which prevent proper forest management.

        No one has mentioned it it because of the sensitivity of the loss of live and what the families are going through, but the lawsuits are going to be astronomical and I really do not know how California will ever manage to survive this financially.

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        • Mark Matis says:

          Most of those lawsuits will be tried in Kalifornia kourts. Please do understand that their “Law Enforcement” and their “Legal” system are every bit as foully corrupted as the REST of their government.

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          • I thought about that too.

            There might be a request for a change of venue.

            It will take years for all of this to work its way through the courts.

            It may start out in the dopey liberal California courts but it will not end there.

            I watched the videos of Pres Trump and his entourage touring the disaster area with Jerry Brown and Gavin Newsom in tow.

            Jerry Brown looked sick and worried, and was pale and quiet.

            He was not himself at all.

            He know this is big trouble.

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        • 9th circuit…and they are already busy blaming Trump and saying it’s the government’s fault and since this state is protest of crackpots central they WILL sue..but not the state.

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      • elmo says:

        You can talk to the feds but it’s the environmentalists who sue about bugs, lizards, seeds, etc. on infinitude, to prevent any maintenance and delay, delay, and delay until it’s a massive fire storm.

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    • Gil Stonebarger says:

      look around you at the last decade in the world….god is either retired or never existed

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      • piper567 says:

        Gil, God allows the error of man to just be the error of man.
        God is not retired.
        Man was to be a steward of the land.
        And, as we have seen, godless ideologies do not promote good stewardship.

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      • Oh my gosh, so you think that evil proves God does not exist? Look around you. When is the last time we were openly ALLOWED to speak of God and morality?

        Nietzsche is the god of too many who are in leadership positions and if you read him you will see that how the world is going is EXACTLY how it should be…

        If you put your chips in with the devil you play by HIS rules, not God’s.

        meanwhile, it takes a STUPENDOUS amount of gall to ignore the absolutely miraculous amount of volunteer effort that has been going on to save people.

        God IS alive, but you apparently WANT to believe that evil proves he is not.

        Denial much?

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  8. CornPicker says:

    Dog gone , strange that all the numbers coincided with the voter fraud numbers, the great white father’s along with evil and devil,jihadists, Ocultist, Criminals are throwing fire around and cheating ,don’t look to long at the shiney fire you’ll lose your night vision and you might miss it ,

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  9. covfefe999 says:

    I think Californians are now going to have to build their properties to withstand fires the way people in Hurricane areas build their properties to withstand hurricanes.

    When the fire blew through Calabasas I read that Kim Kardashain, of all people!, hired some workers to dig around her and her neighbors’ properties to help keep the fire back. Whether it was luck or the digging actually worked, she was on to the right solution there. I’ll bet she and Kanye are planning some renovations to their property.

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    • railer says:

      Clearcutting the perimeter around residential areas would be a positive, yes. Building residential exteriors with non-combustible materials would also help. Insurance rates could help guide this process, but it may be like flood insurance in hurricane zones, some people just do without it and hope somebody else pays for the rebuild.

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      • Gil says:

        After every major fire, the insurance companies have done theiur payputs and then refuse to cover those fire areas again or require major fire safety requirements in the rebuild. I am guessing a lot of these homes had no insurance. If you notice, there have been zero statements from any insurance company. Normally they are out in force right away.

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        • Lindenlee says:

          FEMA, et al, have become the insurer of last resort. Had a friend who was a FEMA inspector and had a lot of claims in FL in 2004. Told me that there were LOTS of people who had chosen not to insure their homes, and then expected FEMA to rebuild their homes, courtesy of the taxpayers.

          And lots of people tried to defraud FEMA with all kinds of claims. And he was strict, because he was conservative. However, he said that many inspectors were not, and gave away the store. No skin off their noses….

          On top of that, FEMA DOES give, tax-free, up to $30,000 to uninsured claimants, to rebuild their homes. Where I lived, it isn’t much, but in some areas, that will buy you a mobile home. And if you have saved $$$ over the years in insurance payments, you could have a free house, at MY EXPENSE.

          PH7CKING RACKET.

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      • rojobirds says:

        Non-combustible structures do not hold up well in areas where there is a lot of seismic activity, but I support what you’re saying. I doubt many main-street insurance carriers even write HO policies in Paradise because of the high fire hazard. Its quite possible the coverage is provided through a state or national program, I’m not sure. EQ coverage is similar, many do not have it as they figure FEMA will bail them out. I have EQ coverage and pay a premium for it….

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        • LULU says:

          FEMA bails out no one. Homeowners are “loaned” FEMA funds and the amounts are miniscule compared to the respective losses. Those who live in fire areas have either very expensive insurance with high deductibles and huge premiums via California Fair Plan or they have none.

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      • LULU says:

        Most of those with suggestions have never seen a fire like this. Cannot conceive of such a conflagration. Most also do not know that the extremely high winds that accompany these wildfires carry embers the size of softballs for as much as five miles. Have carried across lakes, rivers, major multi-laned freeways.

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        • railer says:

          As your comment is directed to me, I’d say most including you are not professional engineers well experienced with the engineering, construction and operation of all types of facilities, with fire hazard being a prime consideration in the first instance, particularly those of us who have experience with large conflagrations and fatalities resultant.

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        • You are so right about that LULU.

          As you point out this type of fire will jump multi-lane freeways, rivers and then even turn back on themselves if the wind turns.

          The fire fighters fighting this fire reported moved at the rate of 60 acres a MINUTE.

          When one of these types of forest fires start the only thing to do is to evacuate and try to get it under control as fast as you can.

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      • Jeff C says:

        “Clearcutting the perimeter around residential areas would be a positive, yes. Building residential exteriors with non-combustible materials would also help.”

        These are now requirements for all new developments in Southern California in fire prone areas and have been for at least two decades. They’ve been amazingly successful as fires burn right up to the edges of new developments but are then stopped with only a few homes lost here and there. It’s been incredibly effective.

        The big fires that burned hundreds of homes (e.g. Laguna Beach fire, San Diego Cedar fire, Oakland firestorm) were all in older neighborhoods without these provisions. Incredibly, some of these older homes in fire-prone areas still have wood shingle roofs which almost guarantee the home is going to burn to the ground. Most CA cities now ban wood shingles and require non-combustible material when reroofing.

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        • rojobirds says:

          Agree. Ventura County changed clearcut from 100 ft. to 200 ft. after Thomas Fire. It helped divert the Hill Fire away from our home (wind helped a lot too).

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    • Daniel says:

      That’s just flame restarded

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  10. Daniel says:

    Just remember this is nothing new to California. The Oroville Dam crisis back in February of 2017 is another example of how California neglects important things in favor other other things.

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    • rojobirds says:

      Agree. But I sure am glad we are building that high speed rail (oops not really high speed) from Victorville to Fresno. I’m all for a 3-hour drive from my home to park my car in gang-plagued Victorvillle to hop on a train to go to Fresno…

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      • LULU says:

        Many of us will be very surprised if that rail system every materializes. It is not getting good press. When the media abandon it, it may well die. A good thing.

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      • Kris Langley says:

        How history would have been different if Governor “Pat” Brown had simply given into 5-year old Jerry’s Christmas wish for a Lionel train set!

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    • Lindenlee says:

      I keep telling people, “Why would you give MORE of YOUR TAX MONEY to waste, to politicians who haven’t shown ANY responsibility in the way they managed the money you ALREADY GAVE THEM?!?”…

      Case in point…INFRASTRUCTURE. CA (where I used to live) has spent little on repair and maintenance of its infrastructure, and now they want my federal tax dollars to do what they ALREADY COLLECTED CA MONEY FOR?

      CA has spent it on illegals, and other boondoggles, instead of spending it on those purposes for which it was collected. The Highway Trust fund, for which your fed gas taxes are collected, has been spent on local issues, like bike paths, and now parts of federal highways are toll roads, charging us AGAIN to pay for maintenance on roads and highways FOR WHICH WE HAVE ALREADY PAID WITH OUR GAS TAXES.

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  11. itswoot says:

    I keep thinking of a scene from the movie “Titanic” where an elderly couple sought to be in each others arms when they knew there was no escape for them.

    All their years of being together…

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  12. webgirlpdx says:

    So much perspective here…Husband and I are in the middle of a master bedroom renovation these past couples of weeks. Things are moved around and crowding the house a bit. Husband is very good and meticulous. In my view, he’s kinda been moving a little slower than I’d like.

    However, I remind myself not to be so selfish and inconvenienced —– because these poor people of Paradise and the surrounding areas have no homes left to go back to. Yes. Perspective. Gratitude.

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  13. phattcat says:

    It’s finally raining here in Butte County.

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  14. KittyKat says:

    What a heartbreaking photo.

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  15. Will says:

    Here’s some good news out of Paradise, written by a local who lost everything in the fires –

    http://americandigest.org/wp/the-orchard-at-the-end-of-paradise/

    Basically the orchard buildings are all gone, but the owners got out ahead of the flames and importantly the orchard trees survived due to the owner ignoring CA brush clearing laws and clearing it as well as putting in his own firebreaks. Very good news.

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  16. Texian says:

    Early today I woke suddenly in the middle of the night.. Before dawn.. With this revelation on my mind..

    They won’t find many of the missing.. They were incinerated.. Cremated by the intense heat.. They are testing piles of ashes of what they think were people.. That is why it is taking so long..

    The rains will bury them today..

    My condolences to the missing on their solemn day..

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    • LULU says:

      This is what I have been thinking.

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    • James W Crawford says:

      They will soon have to presume that the missing are dead.

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    • Molly Pitcher says:

      I wondered that too. Recently I had read of a horrific fire back in late 1800s. The account gives details on state of the ones that perished. It somewhat surprises me that in Paradise so few have been found.
      http://exploringoffthebeatenpath.com/Parks/PeshtigoFire/index.html

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      • Smurfette says:

        Yes, interesting read.

        Obviously, the powers that be have studied all natural disasters pre-dating DEW to understand how to cause same. The difference is that DEW fires are electronically instigated and therefore symptomatology of the fire differs.

        Firstly, historically, large amounts of methane gas from underground bogs fueled the natural version. Many areas sparked. Woods and trees burned down. It is totally unnatural for trees to remain standing while humans who are same percentage of water composition disintegrate. Fire pretended to start under conditions that the powers that be conditioned to emulate. The source of the fire were car gas tanks not bog methane in Paradise. DEW attempted to do same, spark several locations of powerline.

        Jessica Lane Chambers died similarly only hers was an experiment to see how cars could be lit and incinerate occupant. This is completely reminiscent of the Nazi pigs. Most steel in cars nowadays especially from China as the Clintons facilitated is an alloy, probably highly combustible along with flammable car seats.

        We need to make President Trump aware because if he knew what was being done to good, loyal, Americans, he would put a stop to it and OUT the nazi vermins. Military slaves no doubt are being told to do what the wealthy Nazi imperialist tell the military or else die by electronic torture. Case in point: Navy 17 all dying in a crashed helicopter. Nothing but pawns to be used and terminated when their secret job is complete. Scientists too, after they invent tech for Nazi use. It’s a vampirific system. Works in dark of secret, hates daylight and garlic (exposure by God’s remedies). Rothschilds among others, are worth $2 Trillion today. Much of it stolen from the people through making them sick to buy pharma, stock exchange and forex manipulations.

        Excerpted from your link:

        The mills and the railroad had large quantities of industrial cleaners, lubricants, wood treatment and paint. The peat bogs contained highly flammable methane gas, a natural byproduct of carbon decomposition. Usually held in by moisture, the parched bogs emitted methane that swirled in the atmosphere for weeks

        The entire north woods was turning into a bone dry tinderbox but the burning continued. Now, instead of dying out on their own, the fires went dormant. They smoldered under the fuel on the ground and consumed the roots of trees. In the peat bogs, coals could smolder as much as five feet down.

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    • I agree with you. These people were cremated in that fire. I suppose that if the authorities took the time they may find tiny pieces of bone and teeth. They may have to do what they did after the towers fell on 9/11 and sift through everything.

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  17. Benson II says:

    It’s all horribly sad. The saddest aftermath will be the vote for commie government will continue. No lessons will be learned about that. The bulk of the spending will continue to be for illegal voters so they can assure their power into the future.

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    • LULU says:

      In California, no party has a simple 51% majority in registered voters. The Dems have about 40% of the registered voters; the bulk of the rest are divided between Republicans and No Party Preference. California Republicans must come up with more dynamic candidates to attract voters from both their own registered voters and the NPP registrants. So far we haven’t done that. The Dems will vote for anyone with a (D) after their name. Republicans want their particular kind of Republican. Makes a big difference on election day.

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  18. New England Farmer says:

    Probably the most beautiful state in the lower 48. It is a crime that the tree-huggers have mismanaged the forests and not allowed responsible tree cutting that certainly would have minimized the losses. This was gross mismanagement by the liberal left who chose trees and illegals over their own citizens. I fear many of the still unaccounted for are gone but hold out hope.

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  19. Donna in Oregon says:

    AARP has already matched each dollar donated up to $500,000 for the victims of the Camp fire and the Woolsey fire. Yesterday I read that they raised it from $300,000 to $500,000 and today it’s already at $500,000.

    You can still donate, it’s tax deductible.

    http://www.aarp.org
    https://foundation.aarp.org/site/Donation2?df_id=16010&mfc_pref=T&16010.donation=form1&s_src=facebook&s_subsrc=disaster_recovery?intcmp=ALRT-FIRES-DONATE

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  20. merlintobie says:

    Now is the time for some innovative ideas for replacing the housing for those that lost their home.

    Like 3-D, or other advanced technologies.

    Take a few “foreign aid” awards and replace every single last lost home for free.

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    • Maquis says:

      I truly doubt that Paradise will be allowed, directly or via deliberately onerous permit requirements, to rebuild to much more than a fraction of its previous population.

      I am certain though, that those that exacerbated the conditions for a massively destructive fire will sit in judgment of their victims as they set about to dictate the area’s future.

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  21. 4EDouglas says:

    Here is a good bit on the Phestigo fire happened a the same time as the Chicago fire.

    No fly saucers, Balloons or magic Rothchilds..

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    • Smurfette says:

      Th fire of Peshtigo is VASTLY different in symptomatolgy from the Paradise fire if you bother to read the details. In FACT, the differences point to DEW. God is in the details. See above for comparison

      https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/11/21/butte-county-wildfire-update-death-toll-81-missing-persons-870-lost-homes-12637/comment-page-1/#comment-6360562

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    • Kris Langley says:

      I believe in the old adage “In the absence of incontrovertible evidence, never ascribe to malice what can be, at least, as easily explained as incompetence.”

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    • Smurfette says:

      Who said anything about flying saucers and balloon, or are you just trying to conflate Deep State trillionaires with conspiracy. We are long past “conspiracy” and into reality. Oh wait, it was a UFO that assassinated JFK not deep state corrupt CIA. I guess Thomas Jefferson too, was a conspiracist when he stated that Briti#h imperialist would try to establish the Federal Reserve, the like of the Rothschilds who today are trillionaires. No would have suspected the Roths to victimize the Jewish people in Germany in a million years. So clever, isn’t it?

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      • Molly Pitcher says:

        I’m not convinced of any specific plot regarding the tragedy in Paradise however without a doubt we’ve seen events that have been orchestrated by the shadowy globalist trillionaires that manipulate countries, citizens, politicians, etc etc. Reality.
        If these ‘theories’ weren’t true I don’t believe we’d all be here day after day lamenting the wickedly and bone-deep corruption in almost every country on earth, including our own.

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  22. sumoyokozuna says:

    Sorry for all the loss of life and property….however reading all the comments and some saying how much they love Calif…. good for them!! I even lived there for a few years, in the Monterey/Seaside area…but departed in the early ’60s… visited many parts of the state about 50 other times, after retirement, spent 6 months there in a motor home going all over……beautiful for sure but so many changes….. last time there. 3 years ago visiting Reagan Library…. afterward was heading to San Diego…. it took me 4 hours to go 40 miles…..traffic is horrible, takes hours to go from one place to another…. so many people like Calif, they don’t need me. I made an immediate left and headed out of state…never to return. and the politicians… forget about it &&^%$$^& I know that I will NEVER visit that socialist state ever again…

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    • rojobirds says:

      I can get from Reagan Library to San Diego in about 2 1/2 hours, but I leave at 4 AM. You’re retired, so who cares how long t takes?

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      • Katherine McCoun says:

        Why would anyone choose to spend their life that way, retired or not? If I am traveling for pleasure why would I choose to go to a place and sit in long hours of traffic?

        I have always wanted to see the red woods. Other than that, Zero interest in CA.

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  23. HickTick says:

    People can witness these terrible fires , but laugh if you mention Sodom and Gomoragh in the Bible , like it couldn’t happen .

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  24. tyshab says:

    Agenda 21 is very real. Don’t discount it! Go read your town/city’s comprehensive plan, zoning rules, etc.

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  25. tyshab says:

    AARP is a very powerful liberal lobbyist organization which ultimately works against the best interests of the country. AMAC is an alternative.

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  26. Molly Pitcher says:

    It’s possible that the varying thoughts on the way this fire happened might not be so far apart. The way it spread isn’t unusual probably. Firefighters and others familiar agree with each other on the fast moving brush/dead wood fuel plus the wind that the fire itself creates.

    It is absolutely true that smart meters can and do explode and/or start fires at the property. here:
    https://takebackyourpower.net/hundreds-of-smart-meters-simultaneously-explode/
    On Monday, hundreds of “smart” meters simultaneously exploded in Stockton, California, when a truck ran into a utility pole. Watch the video:
    The catastrophic failure of these PG&E “smart” meters — which are not approved by Underwriters Laboratories (UL) — not only damaged meter bases and other homeowner property, but left those 5,800 customers without power.
    Last July, the province of Saskatchewan ordered the removal of all 105,000 “smart” meters, following a rash of fires. Portland OR, Lakeland FL, Arizona and Ontario followed suit with mass removals.~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    This isn’t proof of anything other than at least this one woman did have a smart meter and she lived in Paradise. I’m assuming others did also.
    https://www.consumeraffairs.com/utilities/pacific-gas-and-electric.html
    Original review: Feb. 21, 2018
    This company has a monopoly in Northern California and they keep raising their prices. I have tried for the last year to get on the care program with no success and my bills just keeps climbing. I have had one smart meter catch fire, and I believe that these meters are faulty which my $2880.00 bill reflects. Please bring another company in to help the rising cost from soaring way out of our ability to pay.

    …just something to think about..

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  27. Vince says:

    This is a photo from a science blog called “Next Big Future.” The title of the accompanying article is: “One Mile Barriers to Forest Fires – Controlled Burns and Fuel Breaks 1957-1977” It seems that back 50 years ago, they knew how to handle these fires and dedicated the resources to accomplish it.

    Several Years ago Governor Brown went hysterical about a report that had come out about rising sea levels and how they would affect California. The report was predicting that the San Francisco and Los Angeles airports would be underwater from the rising ocean. He demanded money to be spent immediately to fix the disaster. However, one climate skeptic blog, called “Watt’s Up With That,” read the report and ran the numbers with the current data for sea level increase around California. They calculated that yes, both the Los Angeles and San Francisco airports would eventually be underwater, in about 46,000 years. Once that figure started to be circulated, Governor Brown’s staff told him to stop using that report.

    California does idiotic things because it doesn’t have any objective sense of priorities or risks, and simply spends money on what is being lobbied for today by the cool kid lobbyists. But people aren’t dying from a lack of access to medium speed rail, and they are not drowning at airports. They are dying right now from fires and almost died in the thousands from a lack of dam maintenance.

    What Californians need most is an objective list of the priorities and potential risks of living in their state, how much they cost, and what will happen when infrastructure fails. Judging from the fact that they are building medium speed rail lines and such, I don’t think Californians are being given the facts to judge.

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  28. 4EDouglas says:

    !00% this not DEW, HAARP or Wile E, Rothschild is the culprit..

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  29. mickjt says:

    Are the trees fireproof? Seems really odd that the homes are totally destroyed and the trees are still standing…

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