Unfortunately Every Investigative Trail Comes Back to the Dead End of FISA Abuse…

Way back when CTH first began the deep dive into the systems and processes that were deployed in the 2015/2016 election cycle we eventually came to the conclusion that everything of substance, within the larger intelligence abuses, revolved around DOJ and FBI abuses of the FISA process.

As an outcome of multiple research deep-dives we then focused on a specific foundational block of that usurpation, the fraudulent application presented to the FISA Court by officials within the FBI and DOJ-NSD (National Security Division).  The October 21st, 2016, application to the FISA Court for surveillance authority upon U.S. person Carter Page; and by extension the Donald Trump campaign.

Throughout all further inquiries this central component remains at the center of the issue.  Unlawful surveillance is the originating principal behind Operation Crossfire Hurricane; it is also the originating issue within the Peter Strzok “insurance policy”; additionally, it is the originating aspect to the Clinton/Steele dossier; etc. etc. the list is long.  Chase any of the corrupt threads back to their source of origin and you eventually come back to the surveillance authority within the FISA processes.

As an outcome of those concentric circles CTH continued to say: stay focused on the FISA fraud, and by extension the FISA application, and by extension the dossier.  Every outbound surveillance ripple can be traced back to the use of FBI and NSA databases to conduct unlawful surveillance of political opposition.  Not a scintilla of discovery within the past two years modifies that reality.

Why is that important?  Here’s where things get FUBAR.   FISA is a process, and when used appropriately, within all guidelines, is essentially a surveillance tool.  However, it is a tool that is entirely subject to the honor of the user.  If the user is corrupt, or holds corrupt intent, the tool easily becomes a weapon.  That’s what happened in 2015, 2016 and likely long before that.  The weaponization is so easy to initiate that NSA Director Admiral Mike Rogers admitted the intelligence community could not adequately prevent it.  So Rogers went about eliminating massive aspects to it, completely.

NSA and FBI database surveillance and monitoring is like HAL 9000.  The only way to ensure it does not become weaponized is to deconstruct it; remove some of the functions that are available to users.  The elimination of FISA-702(17) “About Queries”, was one such deconstruction.  Removing the (17) “about” search option entirely was the only way to stop human beings from using the tool.  However, that said, it only takes another presidential election, and a new NSA director, and the system can be reactivated once again.

The movement of the U.S. Cyber Command, literally into another combatant command, essentially merging NSA into a functional branch of the U.S. military, is clear evidence that people like Admiral Mike Rogers took action, in hindsight, knowing the Obama administration weaponized data collection, a function of government, for political benefit. Now, in hindsight, the action they took in May of this year all begins to make sense.

I don’t know House Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunes, and I hold no insight into his thinking; however, looking at what actions were taken in the 2017 FISA re-authorization legislation it looks to me like he has structured this reality into the program.  How?  By timing the next FISA reauthorization to coincide with the 2020 Presidential Election.

Right now all of the administrators, the key-holders, of the Intelligence Apparatus database are honorable and generally safe; meaning they are trustworthy.  ODNI Dan Coats, through his action specifically related to the FISA process, has exemplified this.  Former NSA Director Admiral Mike Rogers definitely showcased his trustworthiness on these intensely precarious issues.  Mike Pompeo and now Gina Haspel also appear solid on this issue.  We must, ‘trust’…. but demand verification and transparency.

However, all it takes is one Presidential election and the switch can easily be flipped back toward weaponizing those systems.  All it takes is political operative like John Brennan, James Clapper, James Comey and Eric Holder to reappear and reconstitute the system to allow weaponized political abuse/targeting.  Really, and scarily, it is that simple.

So long as the current process of data collection remains a part of the intelligence gathering operations within the institutions of government – every vote you make for the office of the President will ultimately be a vote for who you, as an individual, trust to have ownership of your most sensitive information.  So long as we accept this level of surveillance gathering, every election decision from now until the end of time is ultimately an election with a consequence that the victor could weaponize that information to enhance ideological power.

All of that said, this backdrop lies at the heart of the testimony recently given by Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein.   I could write 10,000 words on this specific segment, but it is not my intention to drag everyone through hours of nuance [Jeff, from Marketswork has a strong play-by-play] just watch the last two minutes:

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Let me cut to the chase.  Rod Rosenstein told congress the physical content of the FISA renewal application he signed does not align with the briefing explanation, from DOJ officials, that accompanied the signing.

…We sit down with a team of attorneys from the Department of Justice. All of whom review that and provide a briefing for us for what’s in it. And I’ve reviewed that one in some detail, and I can tell you the information about that doesn’t match with my understanding of the one that I signed, but I think it’s appropriate to let the Inspector General complete that investigation. These are serious allegations. I don’t do the investigation — I’m not the affiant. I’m reviewing the finished product, sir.

I’m not a Rosenstein apologist, and I’m not trying to convince you of his motives or intents. My personal opinion of Rosenstein (just to frame reference), is that he’s a coward. He’s kicking a MASSIVE problem over to Inspector General Michael Horowitz because he is afraid of it.  Rosenstein doesn’t want to be ‘that guy‘ who confronts deep state corruption of this scale…. so he insufferably shirks that responsibility over to the IG.  In my opinion, that makes him a coward; then again, it could be more accurate to say it makes him a bureaucrat – he is.

However, focus on the substance, not the insufferable parseltongue.  First, the public information about the FISA application is: the Nunes memo; the Schiff memo; and the Grassley memo. All direct sourced from the actual application.  Second, all members of the House and Senate intelligence committee have been allowed access to the “full and unredacted” FISA application since April 6th, 2018.  So there is no way for Rosenstein to hide behind the customary opaque nature of this specific FISA issue to congress. In short, he can’t lie about it.

Deputy AG Rosenstein is essentially saying he was mislead by “a team of attorneys from the Department of Justice.”  That’s a fanciful way of saying the DOJ-NSD briefing officials lied to him about the content of the reauthorization application.

OK, so in response we might initially say: ‘well if they lied to you, then prosecute them damnit’…. and our voices would be righteous.   However, the weasels have an out that President Obama helped create….

Remember the Susan Rice, James Comey, James Clapper and Loretta Lynch meeting in the Oval Office that Rice wrote down in her inauguration day memo-to-self?   Remember the “by the book” instructions.

Well, it would be “by the book” for the DOJ-NSD officials to lie to the Deputy AG about a counterintelligence operation, if the Deputy AG was within linear authority to the subject or target of the counterintelligence operation.  They are allowed to lie to him.

Setting aside the inherent malicious motive of the usurping officials within the DOJ-NSD during this entire aspect of their “insurance policy” deployment; the DOJ-NSD was investigating Trump; Rosenstein was an appointee of the Trump administration…. under this construct, and accepting this is a counterintelligence operation of the U.S. government unto itself; and accepting that President Trump could ask Rosenstein at any time about the underlying nature of the investigation; the DOJ-NSD lying to Rosenstein is reconciled/allowed  under the “by the book” permissions.

Yes. Anger. Me too.   But that doesn’t change the dynamic.

The 2015/2016 FISA abuse, search-engine surveillance and the underlying sketchy FISA application against Carter Page, is the lynchpin to the entire unlawful enterprise.  In the bigger picture, what happened is also dangerous as heck.  That’s the reason why Chairman Devin Nunes and Chairman Goodlatte keep chasing the story behind it.

However, even when chasing the story behind the FISA issues – what you discover is the FISA process itself is based on opaque fraud that is almost impossible to hold accountable.

The FISA surveillance system inside the intelligence apparatus is unaccountable by construct and design.  The users, and in these examples the ‘abusers’, of the surveillance system are essentially protected by the scale, scope and structure of the process.

The institutional nature of the system, the “by-the-book” per se’, is why Rosenstein now kicks the FISA can to IG Horowitz.   The “by-the-book” also protects the corruption contained within it. The system is, in essence, set up to protect itself. The only way to eliminate the protections is to eliminate the underlying process and stop collecting information.  That’s almost impossible to see happening.

As a consequence, there will likely be some prosecutions; but they will not be for the institutionally corrupt behavior we can clearly see.  Those who engaged in leaking stories to the media will be prosecuted for the leaking.  Beyond that aspect there is not likely to be any technical way to prosecute those who can hide behind the system.

Think of it another way….. I don’t mean to raise blood pressure, but taking new information and applying it to historic reference leads to this:

Many of those DOJ-NSD officials who participated in the Rosenstein briefing, or assembled the underlying briefing material, left after the time-period in question (June 2017).  Additionally, almost all of the FBI officials left, retired, resigned after this time-period.  There was also massive exit of all of corrupt support officials from inside the DOJ-NSD and FBI when the Page/Strzok text messages surfaced (December 2017) and the evidence of the political operation became public.

However, as all of these *inside* officials left the DOJ and FBI, another entire set of *outside* DOJ and FBI officials replaced them; and the originating counterintelligence operation was rebranded and handed over to Robert Mueller.

The inside government usurpation operation became an outside government usurpation operation, essentially using contract agents hired by the inside group prior to exit.  The remaining fragments of the ‘insurance policy‘ are in the hands of Robert Mueller’s team.

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710 Responses to Unfortunately Every Investigative Trail Comes Back to the Dead End of FISA Abuse…

  1. Donzo says:

    Prosecute these rats for every illegality big or small, no matter how small. Smaller crimes are easier crimes to prove and soon they’ll start adding up. It won’t be for sedition, but they still go to jail and they will turn very quickly upon each other.

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    • Daniel says:

      If they can show conspiracy of the smaller crimes working against this president, then yes, sedition can be a charge developed by the aggregation of evidence.

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    • J Gottfred says:

      “…but they still go to jail and they will turn very quickly upon each other.”

      Don, I have been in total angst over this article. In fact, it totally depresses me. To think we are up a legal apparatus capable of inflicting unlimited devastating damage to those they oppose while at the same time limiting any liability to themselves for doing so is so terrifying* to me.

      It has been a day since I first read this post and I am coming around to believe that maybe one solution is to just bring charges against them. Those who authorize FISA abuses are underhanded and sneaky. They are almost always cowards, and their political/employment ambitions supplant any love of country and they lie when they say they are public servants. Bringing charges may be all that is needed to stop this crap. Cowards that they are, they will not risk their career and they will turn on their fellow conspirators. Just look at Page.

      What a technologically enabled mess the previous two Administrations have created.

      *Difference between terror and horror? Terror is when you watch something bad happen to someone else; horror is when it happens to you!

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  2. Mike says:

    I read the FBI 302s. The HRC email investigation was conducted to protect her, and prevent anyone from flipping on her.

    The McCabe IG report is a slam dunk to convict McCabe, yet NOTHING.

    The HRC IG report confirmed 90% of what we had already learned. It exposed a lack of basic investigative effort (for example the FBI did NOT subpoena Strzok/Page private email/texts. There is NO excuse for this. I could go on, and on, and on.) And the conclusion contradicted the VERY FACTS CONTAINED IN THE REPORT!

    The Awan case again showed a BASIC INVESTIGATION WAS NOT DONE. I base that on Daily Caller/Luke/Chuck reporting, backed up by the IG Awan investigation, and information reported by the Capitol Police.

    Watching Rosenstein and Wray testify about how they don’t know nuthin’ about nuthin’ makes me want to puke.

    I’m just a retired cop with too much time on my hands.

    Why hasn’t retired Admiral Rogers said anything?

    Why hasn’t judge Collier said/done anything?

    What about Sessions?
    Cowardice is not an excuse. Still waiting for the “honest” FBI/DOJ to come forward.

    I’m not trying to denigrate the outstanding work of Sundance and others. Nor am I a quitter. When I think of the sacrifices our people, especially those in the military have made, I except no excuses from those who know of the corruption and do nothing.

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    • Paul Killinger says:

      There’s enough in the Weiner-Abedin laptop to put Hillary away for 100 years if they want to..

      If not, ya gotta admit we’ve had a nice run, the best in the history of the world as a matter of fact..

      So maybe we’ll just have to leave it at that.

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      • Paul Killinger says:

        And, God willing, 6 more years of MAGA!

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      • skifflegirl says:

        I have one thing to say about all of this: Americans have been too busy, ignorant or foolish (or all three) to have not stopped the corruption before it got this bad. Everybody knows D.C. is corrupt, we’ve always known it. That is why I don’t blame President Trump for staying out of the Department of Justice. He’s using our growing frustration and anger to motivate us to do something about the swamp that we allowed to fester, allowed it’s roots to grow so deep it never seems to end. But he can’t do it all alone and the only way to get us to act for the sake of our own survival is to let the chips fall where they may. He knows he’ll be gone in a few years and we’ll still be left with this mess. He knows that people become comfortable when things are going well, especially with him in office accomplishing what seems to be the impossible. He needs us to be angry so we’ll solve it ourselves. It’s very paternal.

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        • Jederman says:

          What is at the bottom of your first two sentences is a CORRUPT media. The loudest megaphones in the nation are rotten to the core with bias. It is so uniform and so consistent that it must be a corporate hq decision. I believe it’s a major factor in rendering our culture morally useless. They are, as stated, the enemy of the American people.

          It is simply a fact of nature, some peeps are sheeps. If the corrupt media doesn’t report Lefty corruption most will assume there is none. They will consume the anti-American pablum that’s packaged and spun in a homogeneous, easy to swallow big gulp, and call it a day. Then go to the polls and vote accordingly.

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    • Mike- BINGO, you just nailed it. And you are 100% correct about the AWAN Crime Family including Debbie Blabbermouth Schultz and the DNC. Hard to believe so many of the Swamp Devils have gotten away and will never be punished while Trump supporters like Mike Flynn have had their lives ruined and Paul Manafort rots in prison.

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    • chipin8511 says:

      It pains me how they get away with crimes Lawyers just suck we need citizen grand juries per Larry Klayman.

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    • Foxy says:

      Every point here is legitimate. Those mentioned above are somehow able to rationalize and justify their behaviors based on self-preservation or some ginned up rationale that they are focused on the “greater good” – yes, crimes were committed but acting on those will ultimately destroy necessary protective U.S. resources – to this I say BS!

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  3. Max Tadpol says:

    Wait a sec here. What about Sedition? What about Guantanamo’s $500m upgrade? The MIL tribunal theories. The 40k sealed indictments? “Trust Sessions”?
    Is this over as of this moment? I need to know cause my pitchfork is deep in the garage.

    Seriously, this is deep and the perps must walk.

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    • Laura Nonamaker says:

      No. The Awan investigation was ordered by Sessions awhile ago, it was staffed and it has been on-going for awhile. Apparently, the Awans turned state’s evidence and are being protected. Everyone involved in subverting Operation Cassandra is going down for treason. I don’t have info that there will be tribunals or what the topic of the tribunals would be, although that would be logical. OTOH, Gitmo is ready for a lot of new prisoners. NONE of this is a done deal. Many investigations on-going, some grand juries on-going. Even if we can’t get these for subverting POTUS, the big names were involved in many other treasonous crimes.

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  4. Folks… there is no reason to fear on this issue anymore. Hear me out.

    Yes, there will not be any big prosecutions of the DC cabal that tried to take down our President with an illegal spy operation within the intelligence community. But it doesn’t matter anymore. They already lost.

    MAGA is gaining supporters every day. People are fleeing the Democrat Party by thousands a day. The #WalkAway movement is huge.

    Kanye West – maybe the biggest music star in the world – with 30 million twitter followers is a MAGA Trump supporter. He is telling everyone in the world that Blacks should think for themselves and break out of their mental prison. Chance the Rapper followed that up with a tweet that “Black don’t have to be Democrats.”

    Folks this movement is huge. They’ve blown a whole in the universe. They’ve taken culture and turned it on its head.

    Blacks are thrilled with the available jobs. The economy. They love that Trump funded the HBC, which Obama ignored. And they understand better than anyone, that illegal immigration hurts them maybe the most of all citizens. They support the wall and protected borders.

    And millennials are starting to swing towards the GOP, believe it or not. White Males aren’t welcome in their party… if you are millenial, white and male, you are looking at a lifetime of despotism under Democrat rule. They have completely flipped in just 2 years.

    The #WalkAway movement is the Apex of the counter-culture movement. Former die-hard Liberal Democrats are fleeing as fast as they can.. and finding acceptance and love and freedom and protection on the MAGA side.

    Donald Trump has never lost support since the day he announced his Presidency in June 2015. It has only increased every single day. He has changed the world. He has changed the way people talk… the way people think… he has broken people free of the mental prisons we all used to be in pre-2015 when we just did whatever our media and political overlords told us.

    Nothing is going to stop the momentum.

    2020 will be a massive landslide of epic proportions.

    Donald Trump is so popular today and has so much support, that I bet the Democrats don’t even find an acceptable candidate to run, or who even wants to run, until very late in the game.

    The Democrat Party is going extinct before our very eyes.

    When we cut through all the BS… the 30,000 foot view is this… The Democrats are the anti-American Party and nothing more. The GOP is the Party of America, for Americans, by Americans and of Americans.

    That is an impossible persuasion to beat… and the Democrats can not break out of it. Their Trump delusion won’t allow them.

    Point being… at this point… if a bunch of people were prosecuted and tried and charged… the left could use that as a political tactic that Trump is Hitler and this is what they do to opposition, etc, etc.

    At this point, I don’t care about the phony investigation anymore. It didn’t work. it failed miserably. The American people don’t even care… in fact, they are getting sick and tired of it. It is only helping the movement, as people from the #WalkAway movement describe this as one of the things that drives them nuts about the Democrats and the media.

    Let it go.

    We are the counter-culture.

    We are growing like a monsoon.

    The movement will spread through all of the world, because the US leads the way.

    A movement, in which citizens want their own countries, with borders and their own laws. Imagine that.

    We are witnessing the entire universe change before our very eyes.

    It is no time to be down… because we will never stop winning

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    • Marica says:

      I was NEVER down…But dang Politik!! Fantastic POST!!! YOU are my 4th of JULY Winnamens!!! Thank you from the bottom of my heart!!!

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    • Conservativeinny says:

      They are waiting in the wings to start back up again. I have no proof but I expect epic voter fraud in Nov and 2019 and 2020.

      Liked by 3 people

    • Payday says:

      I care.

      Liked by 2 people

    • Donzo says:

      Comment Grammy Award, Politik.

      Liked by 3 people

    • Newt Love says:

      Listen, azhole, I’m well aware of the #WalkAway movement, but it will never excuse the actual FELONIES of the Never Trumpers. Felonies need to be prosecuted, despite your liberal tendencies.

      > “… Yes, there will not be any big prosecutions of the DC cabal that tried to take down our President with an illegal spy operation within the intelligence community. But it doesn’t matter anymore. They already lost. …”

      You speak like a liberal leftist suck-up to the Obama loving regime. Your words indicate a willingness to wash the slate clean for a whole (long) list of traitors that planned to Impeach PDJT without an offense.

      Why don’t you just go back to HuffPo, WaPo, NYT, and CNN, MSNBC, and the other leftist blogs that want to help sweep the sedition of these leftist under the rug? You would be so much happier there, you worthless suck-up Libtard Troll!

      I will remember your moniker, and never read your vile spew again.

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    • throughthetreesdarkly says:

      Politik- your post is great but we need 2018 midterms to be the massive landslide of epic proportions for conservatives so PDJT can get his agenda accomplished. Can’t wait till 2020 election..

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    • Tired Mom says:

      I do not feel any better after reading your post. I want justice. I am sick of a two-tiered justice system, where politicians skate on crimes that would see average citizens sentenced to years in jail. Reading this piece by Sundance makes me feel like I just got sucker punched, kicked in the teeth and b*tch slapped all at once. There’s no more cold anger in me. My anger is red freakin hot.

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      • Jayne gilmore says:

        All the seditionist would’ve been shot for treason in the 1800s. How dare they ! They must be held accountable so it will never happen again. There is a season and time for everything. once we have the numbers and succeed in confronting the NWO, chamber of commerce/communism, NK, Iran, eu, UN, Mexico border, we will hold this treasonous scum accountable.

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    • dallasdan says:

      “Let it go.”

      A three-word commentary that reflects a level of naivete I have not seen on this site, and total disdain for the rule of law.

      Countless, egregious, criminal acts have been committed by highly-placed political and administrative leaders, and their escaping justice is very likely a guarantee that they will simply regroup and continue their unrestrained, no-holds-barred resistance to the President throughout his tenure in office.

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      • Jederman says:

        Thank you. Spin this as they may, it’s still a massive abuse of Fed authority to suppress political opposition. It is essential obama, the chicago pol. Get to the top by polarizing the voters, then use/abuse the system against political enemies to stay there. Third world scheisse, nothing more.

        Why would we “let it go?” This is in your face corruption and we’re to shrug and walk away.

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        • MelH says:

          I wonder if Manafort and Flynn and Bannon and Priebus and Sarah Sanders and the Trump Family feel like turning the other cheek and just letting it go. Think about Manafort in solitary confinement for daring to try and mobilize his own defense team. Just think about if that were you. “Guilty until proven innocent”, and his hands tied so he can’t even mount his own defense team. This is rank insanity, suggesting things are getting good so we should let all the crime go. tTings are getting good ONLY for half the population. The rest are mad as hell Democrats who don’t EVER “just let it go” and haven’t heard how things are getting good because that’s the LAST thing they want to hear and science has proven people hear only what they WANT to hear.

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      • Daniel says:

        That certain kinds of crimes were committed is without question. The problem is found in the [in]ability to make the case. This is what has Sundance in the dumps about this.

        The NSA program violates the constitution. There is no due process. The FISA process is one-sided where there is no representation for the people targeted when they are US citizens. The very idea of “secret courts, judges and rulings” should have been rejected out of hand from the beginning. You have to be a pretty evil minded person to think any of that is OK.

        And this lack of accountability??? Holy crap. That’s more than reason enough to scrap the whole thing. The level of surveillance under the NSA program is “nuclear” by comparison to more conventional methods. And to have that kind of power WITHOUT accountability and built that way by design??? It’s unacceptable that our taxes go to pay for this and unacceptable that legislators continue to fund this.

        With out without perpetrators going to prison, the NSA program must be disassembled and destroyed. This has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that absolute power corrupts absolutely and cannot be trusted in ANYONE’s hands. I hope the Democrats agree they do not want Trump to use this power against them!

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        • Mark McQueen says:

          Wholesale data collection must stop regardless of the outcome of this abuse. The idea that it’s not spying if we don’t look at it is ludicrous.

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          • Maquis says:

            Exactly.

            We are all now suffering UnConstitutional wholesale Seizure of all we say and do, and are.

            The UnConstitutional Searches of same, “authorized” by the FISA Court, are secret frauds with zero accountability and feckless feeble failed oversight.

            Our “data” is insecure, abused at will by innumerable faceless actors that will never be caught, nor identified, whose trespasses can be neither detected nor catalogued.

            The Fourth Ammendment has been utterly negated and nullified, shredded and shat upon by cyphers and tyrants of the lowest order.

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    • thinkthinkthink says:

      May your tribe increase.

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    • dbdb says:

      I appreciate your sentiment, but!

      The greatest problem I have today is… I can no longer trust my own government!!! And, if a massive number is people don’t go to jail… I could not believe it wouldn’t happen again and again! Would a bank robber stop robbing banks if you just take the money back?

      In fact, it’s already been happening for years and they were cleaver enough and corrupt enough that we never got a good view.

      IMHO, you may as well close the FBI today! There is nothing that they could possibly say that I would believe. Even a disclosure of the worst, I would worry about the other half that got away.

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    • Tonawanda says:

      TY for your well-grounded optimism.

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    • Thirsty Thurston says:

      All of that, and the fact that Hillary Clinton will NEVER, EVER be president makes me smile. We will never have to see her celebrated as the first woman POTUS. We will never have to buy and sell using money with her likeness stamped on it’s face. Even if she is never prosecuted, she will spend every day of the rest of her shriveled life looking in the mirror and knowing that she failed to achieve that which her heart most desired. She may back those who say “Trump is NOT MY PRESIDENT,” but the painful truth for her is that she is not, nor will she ever be, anyone’s president. MAGA

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    • Politick-THANK YOU, I needed that.

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    • covfefe999 says:

      I like your comment a lot. We will not see proper justice, but we are still winning. If all goes well Trump will be President for a second term ( narrowly beating Avenatti, haha) and there will be further improvements that cause more Dems to walk away. So that makes 2024 a possible GOP win as well.

      And if we are really lucky, Ginsburg will decide that she cannot last til 2020 and she’ll depart, allowing Trump to appoint as third Supreme Court justice.

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    • Guillermo Maguire says:

      I agree but your conclusion is short term. Long term, given the permanency of corruption, requires more than a movement. As long a D.C. physically houses our federal government, nothing of substance will change. Term limits will not help. It is the polical/economic/geocentralized dynamic of D.C. that provides the power. It is the entrenched resident/bureaucrats that willingly provide the energy to keep power/corruption/scandal non accountable to the rest of the country.

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    • Abel says:

      Re the politik,

      Verbose. There is no reason to let it go.

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    • MS Idaho says:

      I’ve said It before, i’ll say it again – things have to happen before other things CAN happen. When you think back on the campaign, SHE was SUPPOSED to win! It was set! As I read over all the machinations leading up to the vote, how in the world did VSGDJT win? (with God’s intervention, without a doubt. He has talents & skills ‘they’ did not recognize. Plus, we loved him) That said, we keep witnessing the left desertions and other failures on the left. And you must know that whatever info & army the Obama admin had – Trump now has! I, as do many of you, trust his genius to know when and how to make the next things happen.

      Personally, I am rooting for a constitutional justice and red wave for 2018. Many here want him to play by the rules and see justice done – but (to use a metaphor) perhaps we are not attending a kids softball game. Perhaps it is rugby? Anyone remember Andy Griffiths ‘What is was was football’ parody? He was swept in thru the gate with the enthusiastic crowd and then was trying to describe and figure out what he was seeing. I sense that we are in the same predicament – trying to make sense of the game we are witnessing.

      So many of you who post have deep and knowledgeable lifelong experience and post the legal way things could go. Should go. And are really upset when things don’t go that way. But WHAT IF that’s not the way to win this game?

      As has been pointed out – DTrump may have been born at night, but not LAST NIGHT! And whatever you think about those surrounding & supporting him (or not), this is not his first Rodeo, either. He does know how the swamp behaves – has dealt with them all his business career. I have not – i’ll bet only a few of you Treepers have ..

      I won’t say ‘don’t lose hope’, but I will say pray and cheer each victory with all your heart & soul. Give of yourself to this war whatever you can. IMO we are winning. More winnamins please

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    • Laura Nonamaker says:

      Just need to add Trump owns the GOP now, the RINOs lost too.

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  5. Nicole says:

    “Conspiracy” to destroy the constitution and PDJT and get Hillary elected by breaking many laws in my opinion will prevail over “by the book”.

    It seems reasonable there is enough evidence and you only need 1-government witness either by a plea deal or a whistleblower to add another layer of evidence to connect the dots. The fisa warrants will be defined as one of many weapons used by criminals to ensure Hillary would be President and the insurance policy to destroy the constitution and PDJT.

    Just like Comey’s immunity deals can all be reversed. Criminals can’t give each other immunity.

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    • thinkthinkthink says:

      We can hope.

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      • Nicole says:

        I believe PDJT believes this has to happen to save the Constitution and the U.S. PDJT is not going to disrespect all the men/women who fought for our Constitution and the U.S. and many who gave their lives for our way of life, all be for nothing for over 200 years. The Constitution and the U.S. is the guiding light for all other countries to follow chosen by God. This is way beyond hoping; it will automatically happen. PDJT will not allow the criminals to escape.

        The U.S. is a self-correcting country and there is only one opportunity (now) to bring the U.S. back in the right direction. PDJT knows this will be the only and last time to bring the U.S. back on course and he has the power to do this. Criminals must and will be prosecuted.

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  6. Sparky5253 says:

    Well, looks like Trump has to go on a targeted purge of the DOJ, FBI and NSD, starting with the feckless Jeff Sessions. No mercy. Trump must regret not having done this on his first day in office.

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    • Newt Love says:

      The HUGE “Bigly” Big League mega-tsunami of RED voters in the 2018 Mid-Terms will give #MAGA PDJT the super-majority Senate clout to beat the remaining Donkey party Asses into a pulp as they are rail-roaded by the PDJT MAGA wave coming from the US House, which will be confirmed in the Senate.

      Then in 2020, PDJt will win his 2nd term, and get an even digger majority in the US Senate.

      The Donkeys are always the morons in this political play.

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  7. woohoowee says:

    I wonder if the same FIB agents who worked with Elizabeth Dibble in Benghazi worked with her in London, too.

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  8. Seeker of Truth says:

    1. Don’t confuse justice and truth with the law, they are entirely different animals.

    2. Once the lawyers get involved they always make sure they end up on top – the lawyers always win.

    3. We have too many goddamn fracking lawyers and too few
    Scientists
    Technologists
    Engineers and
    Mathemeticians

    Parents, strongly encourage your kids to learn how to program and pursue a STEM related bachelors degree. If college isn’t in their future (because college isn’t for everyone and there is NO shame in that) convince them to enroll in a technology program in high school where they can learn a valuable trade that will serve them well.

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    • Newt Love says:

      Roddy “Traitor” Rosenstain is a prime example of a Communist “Useful Idiot.” (And he is REALLY PROUD of that fact!)

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    • Bluto Ruffian says:

      I graduated HS in 1972. The “trade” shops where wood shop, metal shop, printing shop, drafting and, competitive shooting. (Yes, guns were allowed at school…) Other trades were “club” related such as photography and journalism. I chose printing, photography, and Home Economics. (Home Ec was part of the the regular elective curriculum in those days) I was the only guy ever to have enrolled in Home Ec at this HS in SW Ohio… There was a purpose… I was the only guy in a class of 34 girls!! Learned to sew and cook and keep a household under budget and be a great housewife… The best part was the assignment to sew a bra using the modern materials of the day. Obviously, I needed a model… Surprisingly, I had no shortage of volunteers. The finished product was modeled in class by the chosen volunteer and got a B+… (I used 3 hooks for the back strap when I should have used 4.)
      Point is… there are no valuable trades available now in HS. All this is handled by local or regional vocational training systems offered by the county or state. Best bet is a community college.
      All the trades that I came out of HS with have been replaced by automated technologies in short order. If a valuable trade is in your interest get counseling early on.

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    • Robert Smith says:

      Because educators love inclusiveness and destroyed the focus they worked so hard for, they are moving on to STEAM! Let’s focus on everything.

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  9. Paul Killinger says:

    Ah, sundance, you’ve hit upon it. It’s naught but a modern day version of…

    “They have a right to do anything we can’t stop them from doing.”

    from Catch-22 by Joseph Heller

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    • Abel says:

      Paul,
      Great line. They have a right to do anything we can’t stop them from doing. And so goes life…that is also why some of us have been recommending going nuclear and burning this shithouse down with all its corrupt inhabitants. At some point it isn’t good to just research and know all that’s being covered up. (Gowdy/Issa)
      At some damn point the people we voted in need to prosecute, and/or fix the system or demolish it. Our republic, our votes, our system of government means nothing and is dead now. We have to stop them from doing it to us. I voted the greatest flamethrower ever in to do that. If he(trump) thinks fiddlefing around for 4yrs is a good idea, then it’s on to vote for someone else who gets wtf I’m talking about.
      Next time someone rigs an election we prosecute at lightning speed while kane and crew provide great research. Never again should we all sit here and dither about talking conservative purity tests and having 60+yrs of patience in order to really see the fruits of the “boom”. Those of us that sat and wasted the precious time at hand to prosecute have blame in this mess. We must not play 89D chess when the situation requires kicking someone’s ass in checkers.

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  10. Charles-Martel says:

    I do not understand why Sundance doesn’t just call out the FISA court for what it is: Unconstitutional.

    Just because it’s been allowed to be around for a while doesn’t mean it’s constitutional. In actuality all it is is an ACTUAL Star Chamber.

    This country was founded and our constitution constructed in large part in response to Star Chamber “Justice”. I’ve seen it argued here that the FISA court serves a needed service. If that’s true then why isn’t it okay to just have a king and no 4th or 5th amendments at all? Heck we can just trust some guys to what’s “clearly in our best interest” because otherwise some bad guys might get away?

    The FISA court was established by nine other than that idiotic big government socialist Jimmy Carter. Then made worse by two Bush regimes. It’s a fraud and nothing more than a tool of domestic traitors and tyrants.

    You can’t have secret courts and any form of liberty at the same time. Secret courts mean freedoms are nothing more than a fantasy in the minds of the serfs. If I was wrong about this we wouldn’t be talking about it.

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    • Newt Love says:

      > “I do not understand why Sundance doesn’t just call out the FISA court for what it is: Unconstitutional. …”

      Senator Rand Paul has voiced that opinion several times. I agree with Senator Paul.

      The FISA Abuses of the Obama Regime should negate ANY CHANCE OF THE FISA COURT TO BE REAUTHORIZED!

      Better for us to be blind to terrorists than to WEAPONIZE THE IC and DoJ/FBI against the (R) Party and never against the (D) Party.

      They (the ICs) blew it. The did a “Monica” on the IC, and the “Blue Dress” residue left behind, proves that the ICs are anti (R) but pro (D). That is an ABOMINATION to the US Constitution.

      It is antithetical to the Bill of Rights, but when does the (Communist) [Donkey Party] leftist Deep State care about being loyal citizens to the US Constitution? {THEY ARE NOT!} I’m thinking that those Donkeys need to die for their sedition and traitorous acts.

      Eliminate the FISA ABUSE by eliminating the FISA cancer on American’s 4th Amendment Protections!
      Then kill ALL OF THE TRAITORS!

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    • Ackman420 says:

      Most anybody who cared to understand the basic mechanics of the FISA court knows it is fraught with possible corruption. Secret courts should be outlawed. What to fill its place? I’m not sure, as any oversight/watchdog can be corrupted as well, as we’ve seen.

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    • JoAnn Leichliter says:

      You are absolutely right, Charles Martel.

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    • Pelayo says:

      Excellent post. I would also add that the whole border family separation/abolish ICE thing is just accelerating the trend you point out. Polls show a super majority of people want the border solved and are not buying fake news and fake asylum. Now back to praying for 4% GDP in Q2…that would be the dagger through the heart of the Democrats.

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    • m3shelly says:

      The statement about Rosenstien being lied to during the 2016 FISA application/signing, because he was a Trump appointee and therefore involved, falls flat. Trump wasn’t even elected yet!

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  11. Bluto Ruffian says:

    This is from https://www.justice.gov/about

    The Office of the Attorney General was created by the Judiciary Act of 1789 (ch. 20, sec. 35, 1 Stat. 73, 92-93), as a one-person part-time position. The Act specified that the Attorney General was to be “learned in the law,” with the duty “to prosecute and conduct all suits in the Supreme Court in which the United States shall be concerned, and to give his advice and opinion upon questions of law when required by the President of the United States, or when requested by the heads of any of the departments, touching any matters that may concern their departments.”

    Further:
    A concerned Congress passed the Act to Establish the Department of Justice (ch. 150, 16 Stat. 162), creating “an executive department of the government of the United States” with the Attorney General as its head.Officially coming into existence on July 1, 1870, the Department of Justice was empowered to handle all criminal prosecutions and civil suits in which the United States had an interest. To assist the Attorney General, the 1870 Act also created the Office of the Solicitor General, who represents the interests of the United States before the U.S. Supreme Court.

    The 1870 Act remains the foundation for the Department’s authority, but the structure of the Department of Justice has changed over the years, with the addition of the offices of Deputy Attorney General, Associate Attorney General, and the formation of various components, offices, boards and divisions. From its beginning as a one-man, part-time position, the Department of Justice has evolved into the world’s largest law office and the chief enforcer of federal laws.

    Thomas Jefferson wrote, “The most sacred of the duties of government [is] to do equal and impartial justice to all its citizens.” This sacred duty remains the guiding principle for the women and men of the U.S. Department of Justice.

    1.) Please note that DOJ is “an executive department”. Who is the the head of the The Executive Branch?

    2.) When was the “Department Of The FBI-DOJ established?

    3.) The Department of Justice has evolved into the world’s largest law office and the chief enforcer of federal laws.[Let this sink in: “world’s largest law office”…] How do you know when sour cream goes bad…?

    4.) Mr. Rosenstein, I am almost out of time. Last question. I remind you that you are still under oath…

    Thomas Jefferson wrote, “The most sacred of the duties of government [is] to do equal and impartial justice to all its citizens.” This sacred duty remains the guiding principle for the women and men of the U.S. Department of Justice.

    Is this statement 100% TRUE from January 20, 2009, to the present… yes or no???
    (long unintelligible response)
    I yield back…

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    • Newt Love says:

      > “… Is this statement 100% TRUE from January 20, 2009, to the present… yes or no???”

      To quote an actor in several films: “Not only no, but He11 No!”

      The current DoJ under the slimy constrictor named Roddy Rosenstain, is the most worthless PoS on Earth, and needs to have his smug-aszed smirks beaten off of his traitorous face by a birch wood Louisville “slugger” bat wielded by an American Patriot who knows “spit from shinola.”

      May Rosenstain soon rest in peace.

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    • MelH says:

      The DOJ is “Separate”from the Executive Branch. Comey chided Trump for not being experienced enough to know that, early on. He said if Trump had known that, he NEVER would have invited Comey to have dinner with him. He claimed to not once have had a face-to-face with Obama, because “Obama knew the Justice Department was to maintain separation from the Executive Branch. So what makes you think anyone believes the DOJ is “an Executive Department?” They are the 4th Branch, in their belief system, and in the belief system of many others who think it but won’t apply voice to it.

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  12. Echo says:

    Unless PDJT nails Rosie and Mueller and Sessions and Wray they’ll nail him or neuter him in his attempt to drain the Institutional swamp.
    Ah memories…I’ve been telling you for a year this was exactly what would happen, been banned on the strength of it, “President Trump’s got this, troll”. You were wrong.
    Nothing can change while the two Deepies control the DoJ.

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  13. Brian Baker says:

    SD is correct that Rosenstain is a coward.
    In his testimony about the FISA application to spy on the Trump campaign, he said that “the information that’s public about that” doesn’t match “with [his] understanding of the one that [he] signed.”
    Note that he doesn’t refer to the actual FISA application.. only the one with “information that’s public” and the one that he was briefed on and signed.
    I think even to this day, Rosenstein has still not read the actual FISA application himself.
    He doesn’t want to know that he was lied to in the briefing, because then he might have to do something about it.

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    • Robert Smith says:

      Screw RR. He signed it. He’s not an idiot or an amateur.

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    • 4sure says:

      So, you sign a binding contract to supply widgets or to buy widgets based on being briefed on it by someone(s) but do not read it. Later, the contract is not being fulfilled. The other person sues you in court for failure to fullfill contract. Your defense is that you were briefed on the contract but those briefing you lied to you about what was in the contract. Plaintiff’s attny. ask you if you read the contract for yourself before you signed it. You refuse to answer or say “NO”. You relied on briefing from your employees.

      Judge rules for plaintiff.

      That’s what Rosy would have us believe.

      Sessions is also a coward among other things.

      The treasonous team had to get rid of Flynn ASAP because he would have immediately exposed the whole scheme.

      YUGE mistake by Trump for firing Flynn. I think Trump has been ill served by his WH legal team and the DOJ which he controls. Someone(s) close to Trump is a snake.

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  14. 6x47 says:

    The clear lesson here is this: Law enforcement and counterintelligence are incompatible missions and cannot coexist within the same organization.

    Divorce the two. The FBI reverts to law enforcement, counterintelligence moves over to another organization without law enforcement capabilities.

    It’s an abomination that the cancerous IC has been given its own Special Counsel to leverage abusive legal process and malicious prosecution as a tool in the service of counterintelligence.

    Better that intelligence and counterintelligence be limited to information gathering and analysis without the ability to act on what they learn. Leave that to law enforcement or the military to do. Restore checks and balances.

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  15. anthohmy says:

    1. Assuming Trump was the target and Rosenstein was “was within linear authority to the subject or target of the counterintelligence operation”, does this not put Meuller within the same linear authority and they are allowed to lie to him, too? Would this not render Meuller as inert as Rosenstein?

    2. Assuming Carter Page was the target, Rosenstein is not within the linear authority to him.

    3. Assuming they could lie to Rosenstein, how do they then get around deceiving the court during the process of deceiving Rosenstein? Did they write a note on the side?

    4. If Sessions had to recuse, why not Rosenstein?

    5. If Rosenstein was within linear authority to the subject, wasn’t everybody in the DOJ Why stop at Sessions and Rosenstein if the DOJ is subject to the Executive Branch?

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    • ablefox says:

      Rosey the Weasel and all his cohorts got ethics waivers from Waivey Gravy.. A simple look at his record should tell that he is as Deep State as one can get.

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      • Newt Love says:

        > “Rosey the Weasel and all his cohorts got ethics waivers from Waivey Gravy. …”

        “What are you talking about?” asked Roddy Rosentain.
        “I and my cohorts are above the law, because I say so. I am the DoJ AG, damnit, and you had better kiss my az, or I will ruin you and your entire family using the full power of the DoJ to prosecute malcontents in the US JUSTICE SYSTEM. (Don’t “F” with me, and you can have a nice life.)
        “I am Roddy Rosenstain, and I AM ABOVE THE LAW!!!!!!)”

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        • MelH says:

          Rosey’s wife represented Obama in 75 cases, to say nothing about all the other high level officials she got out of hot water That makes him KING!

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      • anthohmy says:

        abelfox who is Waivey Gravey? Missed that one.

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    • Abel says:

      Anthomy,
      Don’t sweat the details. No one is willing to prosecute or address anything and it appears that trump misplayed it unfortunately.

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    • Mike says:

      ditto Anthony.

      And furthermore, since RR knows (or should know) the counterintelligence rules he would have known DOJ could lie to him, so RR would still be on the hook for his role in placing a fraud upon the FISA court. He could have recused, or read the whole application himself instead of relying on the summary briefs, etc.

      PS – this all sounds like the scene from princess bride w the iocane powder.

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  16. anthohmy says:

    Didn’t Dana Boente sign, too? What did he sign? Was it different facts and circumstances from what Rosenstein signed?

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  17. Nicole says:

    PDJT will not let the criminals escape. The criminals all have to face jail time or they eventually will take-down PDJT and the Constitution.

    Liked by 1 person

    • ablefox says:

      The criminals are the controlling legal authority. Nothing will be done unless he nukes them all. As it ever was.

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      • Nicole says:

        PDJT has a red line and when it is crossed he will nuke them.

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        • Echo says:

          How?
          Only the DoJ can prosecute.
          Trump hater and deepie operative Rosie runs DoJ.
          They own the casino.

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          • Echo says:

            There is a way……if Huber despises Rosie …..
            And when Huber’s ready to prosecute Trump forces Sessions to sack Rosie and appoint Huber. Otherwise the DoJ runs dead and does a few “leaking” joke charge.

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          • Nicole says:

            How?
            PDJT knows how especially since the constitution and the U.S. will be eliminated if he does not.
            My guess just to name a few;
            1. Order the release of all documents. (1.2 million, fisa etc.)
            2. Order the U.S. Marshals to take over the FBI.
            3. Freeze the entire FBI/DOJ.
            4. Hire 500 outside attorneys and high technology systems analyst.
            5. Give 100% whistleblower protection.
            6. Prosecute some government criminals with harsh prison sentences…give reduced sentences for them to become a witness for the prosecution.
            7. Use the evidence that we all see and start grand jury investigations.
            8. PDJT state of emergency speech that there is way beyond a reasonable doubt that there is a plan to destroy the constitution and the United State by intentionally bringing this country to its knees, to become a 3rd world country.
            9. Etc.

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  18. Donzo says:

    The idea that they will all walk is just too much to bear on the 4th of July.

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  19. Kelly says:

    Hello to Sundance an to all cth followers. I have been following the cth
    For a couple of years. I have been reading daily on the coverage of the
    Corruption of the agencies under the
    Obama administration. You have provided information and facts to all of your readers with details to make it possible to make connections to what had been going on and is going on. The msm is disgusting with the stories they put out to the public!! My point for joining in to comment on cth for the first time is that to even think about accepting that none of the high ranking officials in the last administration will get away with the crimes of abuse of power! If this is not taken care of by the
    Law to make a strong stand an hold the ones exposed of this abuse of power it will get worse the next time. And there will be one as soon as the dirty dems get back in. And if this is true with them not being held accountable, all of these high ranking officials, the dems, an the msm are all laughing their a** off at 65,000,000. People + many more that are opening their eyes. President Trump was the best thing that happened to our country! I truly believe he is for “We the People”

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    • Ad rem says:

      Hello Kelly….welcome to the Tree House! 😀

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    • Nicole says:

      I believe many people agree (Newt, Dobbs, Hannity, Jarrett, Judicial Watch, etc.) that if the criminals are not indicted the U.S. is gone along with the constitution. The globalist and criminals are fighting for their lives and hoping criminal action will not be taken against them…at that moment they know the U.S. will eventually become a 3rd world country as planned

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      • cozette says:

        Since Huber was secretly appointed by Sessions back in November over 40,000 sealed indictments have been issued. Indictments are being issued at a rate of 5 thousand per month. Typically only 1,000 are issued in a year. This info is posted on the Pacer website. Huber is more powerful than an SC and is working outside of corrupt DC with its Democrat jury pool. Huber has a team of 470 plus while Mueller has a team of 20. Other prosecutorial teams have been assigned to focus on other scandals and are also working outside of DC. Just a run of the mill RICO case takes at least 2 years to prepare for. The corruption we are facing is global, infests all institutions and involves top figures in politics and culture. The progress thats been made so far is breathtaking. Calls to hurry up are frankly childish. The OJ trial involved ONE person and was botched because the prosecution was rushed. I don’t want a show, I want successful prosecutions. I am adult enough to be patient. Hopefully more MAGA supporters will adopt this attitude and turn their attention to prayer and campaigning to win on November 6th. Even a RINO is a win for POTUS and keeps patriots in charge of Committees and the Hateful Left in the minority. Rather than fretting, I invite everyone to focus on WINNING again on November 6th. Thats the one, concrete thing we can do to help President Trump and our country and fellow citizens. Together we will MAGA.

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        • Huber isn’t doing jack. Prove that Huber has 40,000 sealed indictments. What a joke.

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        • Nicole says:

          Exactly and perfectly stated.
          I assume Huber’s team of 470 is Horowitz staff which is correct. PDJT has told Huber/Sessions/Wray and Horowitz directly and indirectly (tweets) that time is running out and they better do their job. There is a red line in which PDJT will take over the FBI/DOJ and create 2-more President Offices; directly on the 7th floor of the FBI and the DOJ building. PDJT 100% has this.

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  20. Donzo says:

    There are still parts of this story to be told. It ain’t over and PDT never gives up. He’s winning and that makes him patient. But in the end he will get even, not for himself as much as for the American people and MAGA. The black hats pose an existential threat to the union. They must be taken down.

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    • Nicole says:

      Agreed! This is the turning point of the U.S. in which direction the U.S. will go…either to the left with no constitution and become a 3rd world country or the U.S. will have a constitution with the rule of law. Criminal must be eliminated forever.

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  21. Alonzo says:

    Patriots would not allow treason or sedition to occur without consequences. If OUR Government wrote the laws to protect themselves in their corruption, then they must go or we are not a nation under the rule of law that promotes justice. I believe that The Declaration of Independence guidelines, requires a change in our government.

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  22. Festering Boil says:

    Rosenstein is a black hat to the core. He is lying with every fiber of his being in my opinion so he is not found out on his and Mueller’s involvement in Uranium One until the Statute runs.

    You are only providing an Alibi for him with this article. He can’t be trusted, period. That said, neither can Horowitz, who releases the equivalent of a James Comey exoneration of Hillary and no one says anything. Same as what Comey did. Only difference is the elements that Horowitz contorted are different than the ones Comey contorted. Horowitz essentially list all the crimes, and then contorts words to remove the “elements” of criminal doing so that he can help his buds.

    As soon as Trump is gone, RINO or Democrat, they are going right back to this crooked system and this time they will ensure no outsider ever gets in again.

    You think life I’d miserable now, just wait until the Bolsheviks get back in power and double down….

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    • Tonawanda says:

      The sad truth is, one can be a weasel, a coward, a slimy bureaucrat, without honor and without decency, and still operate within the law.

      The Clintons taught the lesson: there is always a way to get away with anything. Their “ethics” became the ethics of government from dog catcher to president.

      And the Clintons were “right” that there is always a way to get away with anything. That is just the harsh reality of life. It just depends on how cunning you are, and what you are willing to do.

      Every aspect of government is built on coercion and monopoly, circumstances readily if not inevitably susceptible to corruption great and small. For less corruption, have less government.

      There is a Perfect Judge Who can sort it all out, eventually.

      In the meanwhile, we have an Avatar, a genuine hero, genuinely courageous, and we should not lose sight of that, or cease giving thanks for that.

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  23. Joshua says:

    We sit down with a team of attorneys from the DOJ

    This couldn’t by any chance be the same ‘team’ that advised Sessions to recuse?

    Did I miss this or does it go without saying.

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  24. A2 says:

    I don’t subscribe to the Sturm und Drang here. Why? There is evidence the so-called swamp is being drained. Mostly from the stellar economic success of MAGA policies and the very important overturn of the Abood decision by the Supreme Court that has far-reaching ramifications. It also exposed the SC Associate Justices, principally, Kagen, who have neither the intellect, nor objective legal and judicial knowledge to mount a defense.

    As Sundance has rightly pointed out, Admiral Rogers broke the key link to that circular chain by eliminating ‘outside contractors’. It has been a long time coming , but now it is broken. If you look at the chart above, by breaking that link, the rest falls apart. No access.

    I will express an unpopular opinion here, but I think necessary, as sundance has often said, ‘cold anger’. Too many comments seem to be a product of hate, that clouds the eyes that read, and stops the ears from hearing correctly, then a weird competition of who can one up another poster in gruesome punishments to people, and the institutions of the republic.

    I also do not think Rod Rosenstein is a ‘black hat’ nor that the IG is a failure. Again, people have not closely listened to what they have said, under fire from congress. There is much to be revealed, at the appropriate time. For example, the IG was actually engaged in describing how they extracted the missing texts technically with the help of the DOD. It was letting us all know that no matter how things may be hidden, they are capable of bringing them to light. Also his continued warnings about the Weiner laptop debacle that is now in process of examination.

    The DAG, made clear, that the FISA warrant that he signed is quite different than how it has been characterized by some members of congress and the press. I will wait and see.

    Sundance is correct about the bureaucratic enforcement of law, a major feature of communist regimes, but also due to the growth and complexity of government even in republics and democracies.

    Again, the President has been rolling back those regulations. This is swamp draining also.

    Whether XYZ ( pick your favorites) gets prosecuted is less important than substantial and preferential changes are being made, every day. The swamp waters are lowering, and the deep creatures are being exposed.

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    • Will Buck says:

      I worked/lived as a civil servant in DC, the heart of the swamp, for 30+ years.

      The “swamp” is doing what the “swamp” does best which is stone-walling. The “swamps” goal is to get to the mid-terms w/o any substantive action being taken. And they are/have been hard at work to ensure, by any means necessary, that the mid-terms will be a “swamp” victory

      There has been voter fraud for years. I think there was massive voter fraud in 2012-BO did not legally win that election. I also think there was substantial voter fraud in 2016 (to get Killary elected) but the “white hats” stepped in because they knew if Killary won, it was over for the US.

      I have to trust that the “white hats” will be on the job again for the 2018 mid-terms and beyonf

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    • Tonawanda says:

      Wonderful insights!

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    • Mark Mears says:

      Thanks for the post A2. I agree

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    • JoAnn Leichliter says:

      Correct me if I err, but I think Rosenstein indicated that the FISA application which he signed was REPRESENTED to him by that splendid team if attorneys as quite different from the one spoken of publicly. He apparently has never read the application. In short, “Not my fault.” Good to know that the buck stops nowhere.

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      • thinkthinkthink says:

        That is not clear to me. I could be wrong but his wording almost sounded like he was saying that what has been represented in the news does not match what was in the application.

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  25. Cooper45 says:

    Excellent analysis sundance, but if Rosenstein is only a “cowardly” white-hatish victim that knows he was lied to by the corrupt FBI-DOJ officials that presented him with the FISA request to sign, why does he still allow Mueller’s fruits of the poisonous tree, “outside government usurpation operation” to continue hounding, frightening and bankrupting anyone associated with Trump. It could be shut down now and Rod would not get any serious blow back.

    IMO, Rosenstein is complicit and an accomplice in the unjustified Mueller-Hillary-Obama Witch Hunt so he will never be any kind of white hat. Rod’s letting the abuse continue while those most guilty of nefariously abusing their powers are free to mock Trump On Air and plan and organize their next concocted hysterical “Trump scandal” or protests for the MSM. (Silent DOJ eunuch (on this issue) Jeff might as well be watching the ongoing abuse from the moon.)

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    • Leane Kamari says:

      Scott Schools, his deputy assisting him to monitor and advise the Mueller probe has just stepped down (or was he stepped down?) so there you go. Now RR has soeone else to help him oversee the Mueller probe, actually McGahn. the guy who was lied to when he advised Potus that he had no executive power to fire Comey. That same guy who was lied to when explaining to Sessions whether he needed to recuse himself. Don’t forget, the Trump team members have never before been in Bureaucrat Land..

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      • Cooper45 says:

        “Don’t forget, the Trump team members have never before been in Bureaucrat Land.”

        This is entering Bureaucrat land the hard way for most Trump associates and even his own offspring Leane. I doubt any of them started a job before and then were immediately “wiretapped”, subpoenaed, intensively interviewed by Dem operatives looking for an excuse to indict and then after all that despicable abusive procedural hell, the sinister welcoming Mueller Dem team has drained your savings accounts and forced the non-millionaires and billionaires to seek a maximum loan to pay the legal fees.

        I can’t describe how disgusting, reckless and imperious this Mueller fiasco has been to so many innocent people. They’ve been ruthless and are probably enjoying upsetting so many innocent lives because they’re Trump supporters. But Rod plays poor me victim at the Congressional hearings.

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      • L. E. Joiner says:

        This Don McGahn?
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_McGahn

        Looks like a Trump loyalist. If he’s going to be working for Rosenstein, that’s promising. He can take over when the President directs Jeff Sessions to fire Rosenstein. And then McGahn can take Mueller out by just curtailing his charter—and his budget. Sounds good to me! /LEJ

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  26. Troublemaker10 says:

    If “by the book” allows IC to spy on a presidential campaign with no oversight by AG, Dep AG or congress, then clearly this corrupt process needs to be changed.

    And, I’m sorry, Rosenstein was not part of Trump’s campaign and not connected to Russian investigation. Who cares if he was appointed by Trump? He should have been briefed (not lied to).

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  27. Leane Kamari says:

    RR also said he no longer signs FISA applications, he was reliefed of that. What do you make of this?

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  28. Countrywatch says:

    I believe the Clinton emails will provide another route to real justice. I suspect Awan has been cooperating and that will lead to the top and key individuals will indeed by prosecuted.

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  29. dawndoe says:

    Yet they can throw the book at Trump et al. Despicable!

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  30. Arthur Lee says:

    One problem I think I see in this analysis. It may be okay for these people to lie to Rosenstien. They still lied to a Judge to get a warrant to spy. They gave a Judge evidence that did not meet standards that are required to initiate a FISA case against Americans. They end party to complete this process is a Judge. The application the Judge signed had lies in it. Does it matter that they lied to the boss so they could lie to a judge ? What am I missing ?

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  31. Greg1 says:

    Let me cut to the chase. Rod Rosenstein told congress the physical content of the FISA renewal application he signed does not align with the briefing explanation, from DOJ officials, that accompanied the signing.

    …We sit down with a team of attorneys from the Department of Justice. All of whom review that and provide a briefing for us for what’s in it. And I’ve reviewed that one in some detail, and I can tell you the information about that doesn’t match with my understanding of the one that I signed, but I think it’s appropriate to let the Inspector General complete that investigation. These are serious allegations. I don’t do the investigation — I’m not the affiant. I’m reviewing the finished product, sir.

    I’m not a Rosenstein apologist, and I’m not trying to convince you of his motives or intents. My personal opinion of Rosenstein (just to frame reference), is that he’s a coward. He’s kicking a MASSIVE problem over to Inspector General Michael Horowitz because he is afraid of it. Rosenstein doesn’t want to be ‘that guy‘ who confronts deep state corruption of this scale…. so he insufferably shirks that responsibility over to the IG. In my opinion, that makes him a coward; then again, it could be more accurate to say it makes him a bureaucrat – he is.

    I don’t think I got all of Sundance’s quote that I wanted, but I’m out of time before going to work………

    If “by the book” allows DOJ to lie to Rosenstein because it concerns a counter-intelligence operation, then it allows sedition to be legal even though the counter -intelligence operation is probably based upon lies.

    Finding a way to “legally” conduct a seditious coup attempt will not pass Constitutional muster. Note that Rosenstein thinks the IG should investigate.

    Shining the disinfecting light on what these people have done is catastrophic to them.

    It ain’t over.

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    • JX says:

      If the FISA renewal application did not align with the DOJ briefing why did Rosenstein sign it? I think this is a case of Rosenstein blowing smoke to obfuscate.

      “the physical content of the FISA renewal application” oooh sounds impressive. It’s a form, Rodney. More smoke blowing.

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      • Donzo says:

        He’s claiming that he signed it without knowing until later the application was fabricated on falsehoods. That’s his story, anyway.

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  32. Greg1 says:

    STUPID AUTOCORRECT!!!!!

    If “by the book” allows DOJ to lie to Rosenstein because it concerns a counter-intelligence operation, then it allows sedition to be legal even though the counter -intelligence operation is *PROVABLY* based upon lies.

    Sedition laws will Trump counter-intelligence provably based upon lies.

    Like I said, it ain’t over.

    Light is truth. Light is disinfectant.

    Let there be light.

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  33. RAC says:

    “…We sit down with a team of attorneys from the Department of Justice. All of whom review that and provide a briefing for us for what’s in it. And I’ve reviewed that one in some detail,”

    Why didn’t RR just take some time out of his busy day, pick up the damn papers and read them himself ! Maybe there’s some rule that stops him from doing that, it would be interesting/important to know if there is.
    If he was using his “team of attorneys” knowingly as a buffer it says to me he already knew or suspected there were two different FISA warrants.

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  34. dickturpin1 says:

    Rosenstein is struggling to maintain eye contact just as he struggled when quizzed by Mr Jordan.
    Classic liar behaviour.

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  35. coltlending says:

    “Setting aside the inherent malicious motive of the usurping officials within the DOJ-NSD during this entire aspect of their “insurance policy” deployment; the DOJ-NSD was investigating Trump; Rosenstein was an appointee of the Trump administration…. under this construct, and accepting this is a counterintelligence operation of the U.S. government unto itself; and accepting that President Trump could ask Rosenstein at any time about the underlying nature of the investigation; the DOJ-NSD lying to Rosenstein is reconciled/allowed under the “by the book” permissions.”

    After thinking about this some, it pains me to say it. But what Sundance has written above stikes me as gaslighting.

    I just can’t buy that by some circle-jerk legalese and institutional self-preservation the DOJ-NSD lying to Rosenstein is not something whomever was a party to it can go to jail for a long, long time for doing it.

    The whole construct under which the counterintelligence operation was initiated was a fraud!!

    “My personal opinion of Rosenstein (just to frame reference), is that he’s a coward. He’s kicking a MASSIVE problem over to Inspector General Michael Horowitz because he is afraid of it. Rosenstein doesn’t want to be ‘that guy‘ who confronts deep state corruption of this scale…. so he insufferably shirks that responsibility over to the IG”

    If this bullshit of nobody being procecuted and if found guilty spending a loooong time in jail (lucky not to be hung by the neck), one could say Rosenstein is not the only coward.

    Under such a lack of the Rule of Law, cowardice could be laid at the feet of POTUS and many under him.

    I hope that this does not play out like this.

    Sundance is a way bigger intellect than I. But, I’m sorry. I’m not buying it was legal for the DOJ-NSD to lie in the construct of a counterintelligence investigation against a presidential candidate, president-elect and president and nobody goes to jail because of this “by the book” stuff.

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    • Tonawanda says:

      The possibility was implicitly raised by Horowitz, who looked at how things were done and observed (paraphrasing) that any given investigative step may not have been the ideal way to go, but it was an accepted way to go within the prerogative of the authorities.

      And so we are left to expect that highly skilled government manipulators covered their tracks with legally “justifiable” reasons every step of the way.

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      • coltlending says:

        Sorry…there have been so many abuses that have fallen from the felony tree, you can’t even see the grass any longer.

        There are other posters in this thread who have said it better than I.

        Last I’ll say about it is, if a true application of the rule of law were applied the BS lawfare and obfuscation wouldn’t fly.

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        • 4sure says:

          Tonawanda is correct. The DOJ/FBI is full of attorneys. No one moves w/o some attorney(s) approving the move. They have written the rules. They interpret the rules they wrote to legally cover their moves. You take any thing totally controlled by a group of attorneys with expertise in their field, and you can take it to the bank that they have “done it by the book” and it passes the legal test. It may be unethical, sneaky, whatever, but it is legal. No one will ever be prosecuted because the case would be dismissed in a New York minute.

          The UNpatriot act needs to be abolished IMMEDIATELY. It was never designed to do anything except spy on anyone those in control wanted to spy on. And you can be assured that the congress critters and others have all been spied on and have been blackmailed into submission.

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          • coltlending says:

            Nope. I don’t buy it.

            Way before Rosenstein was potentially lied to (before he signed the FISA renewal ) there were felonies committed , lies stated, and concocted evidence submitted that perfected counter intelligence against an American, based on a fraud! PDJT.

            Rosenstein signed off on the FISA renewal way after the lies that incubated the fraud.

            Claiming an immaculate fraud is not procecutable because it was done “buy the book” is jibberish lawyers of today throw out to obsfucate the simplicity that the felonies were committed.

            If they pulled this same rational for why it’s all done within the law in 1946, they’d be laughed at and sumilarily shit for Treason and Sedition.

            They’re raping the rule of law.

            Putting out the BS it’s done “by the book” is equivalent to slowly putting a frog in water until it’s dead.

            That’s what they are doing to the rule of law.

            They’re playing with Fire.

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    • Countrywatch says:

      I think you are right, Coltlending. Huber is busy and people will be brought to justice. It may be that lower ones in the chain get lesser sentences but only because they are leading to the greater prize.

      I also believe there is a lot of role playing going on, and that some of the “bad guys” are playing a double game (in exchange for lesser charge, or simply because a source of deep state blackmail has been removed from them. It is thought that the CIA in the Obama and earlier years had collected data on a massive scale, including compromising data on Congressmen and officials). If you want to catch the real villains, and to see the depth and scale of the corruption, then the villains have to continue believing that they have friends in high places.

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  36. KBR says:

    Could Congress impeach the judge(s) that okayed the FISA(s) associated with these lies?

    The buck stopped there. (And do not tell me it was not his/her fault: the responsibility was his/hers ultimately.)

    Once the judge(s) that okayed it are impeached, then the whole thing falls, the discovery in the impeachment trial gets these lies displayed in a court of law.

    How could new charges fail to be drawn up against lies to the court proven in the Supreme Court?

    Remember that FISA judges are appointed by the Chief Justice.

    You can bet that the SUPREMES will react to lies to their appointees that gets those appointees in trouble, if only because it hits much too close to themselves.

    If Supreme Court Justice appointees are crooked, why were they appointed? Is it a fatal lack of good judgement on the part of the Supreme Court?

    If one can lie without penalty to a Supreme Court Justice appointee today, then soon enough one can lie without penalty to a Supreme Court Justice and other SC Justices as well: that rot must be stopped.

    Questions arising during such an impeachment trial might include whether FISA is constitutional at all.

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    • KBR says:

      Could Congress impeach the judge(s) that okayed the FISA(s) associated with these lies?

      The buck stopped there. (And do not tell me it was not his/her fault: the responsibility was his/hers ultimately.)

      Once the judge(s) that okayed it are impeached, then the whole thing falls, the discovery in the impeachment trial gets these lies displayed in a court of law.

      How could new charges fail to be drawn up against lies to the court proven in the Supreme Court?

      Remember that FISA judges are appointed by the Chief Justice.

      You can bet that the SUPREMES will react to lies to their appointees that gets those appointees in trouble, if only because it hits much too close to themselves.

      If Supreme Court Justice appointees are crooked, why were they appointed? Is it a fatal lack of good judgement on the part of the Supreme Court?

      If one can lie without penalty to a Supreme Court Chief Justice appointee today, then soon enough one can lie without penalty to a Supreme Court Chief Justice and all other SC Justices as well: that rot must be stopped.

      First locate the head, ie: where the chain of responsibility stops, ie: who has the ultimate responsibility? In this case, the ultimate responsibility to stop FISA warrants that contain falsehoods is the FISA judge.

      The FISA court is the supposed check and balance in that starcourt. If all a FISA judge is required to do is rubberstamp whatever is put before the judge, and if there are NO penalties to liars for lies being put before said judge, then FISA Court itself is a lie, and the Government Body that puts FISA JUDGES in place is a liar, or at least has POOR JUDGEMENT. A logic sequence.

      That would lead to the conclusion that the Supreme Court itself is based on poor judgement, and/or condones lying: a conclusion that not one SCJ would be willing to entertain, much less have the US citizens entertain.

      Questions arising during such an impeachment trial might include whether FISA is constitutional at all. You can bet that the Supremes will not be happy with the idea that anyone appointed by one of them can be freely lied to, and the liars walk away free.

      The losing of the case would be a winning: the exposure would be enormous, lack of SC and Congressional and Administrative DOJ arrest and prosecution against lies/liars to FISA judges would be challenged, not in Congress, nor the public opinion, but in our Supreme Court. And THAT is where the buck and the bucking will stop.

      To kill a snake, chop off its head: the length of it might still thrash, the teeth are still filled with venom, but before long, the thrashing stops and the whole thing dies. The head is the judge, and the one who appointed that head is the Head of he Supreme Court.

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  37. paper doll says:

    It’s vital the law works and justice is served . One can only hope. Without that, most people will believe those who are let off are indeed innocent or they would be charged.

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  38. DanO64 says:

    We should have called it “the LONG Big Ugly. It will takes YEARS for the ugly to be cleaned.

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  39. Zimbalistjunior says:

    So basically a ‘national security’ exception.

    Which is why the IG report on HRC investigation was such a crucial botch job. The HRC investigation is a part of a single conspiracy: to elect HRC over DJT. The FISA abuse is part of the conspiracy. But it is much harder to prosecute the black hats on FISA than on HRC investigation Bc of natl security exemption. There is no such catch-all exemption for the HRC part.
    All there is obstruction of justice. Yes that will not be a slam dunk to prove either- however, it is worth, nay necessary to try.
    You prosecute on obstruction and then bring in FISA and other anti trump activities as part of same singular conspiracy.

    That has to be the road map going forward if the white hats want to get actual scalps.

    And if we do not get scalps here and let the deep state walk with some slaps on wrists then justice will have been denied yet again. No deterrence either.

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  40. Flight93Gal says:

    Yes, Thomas Jefferson DID write, “The most sacred of the duties of government [is] to do equal and impartial justice to all its citizens.”

    Therefore, “the lying is permissible under counterintelligence operations” argument suggests that Obama, Clinton, Brennan, Clapper. Comey, Yates, McCabe, Strzok, Page etc. will NEVER be prosecuted since what they did was “by the book” and perfectly legal.

    I suggest that is why the parties named above continue to tweet, facebook and publicly spew hatred toward VSGPDJT. They will never stop because they are NOT afraid.

    This also explains why AG Sessions refuses to un-recuse and engage; why IG Horowitz couched his IG report terms carefully, why Rosenstein has disdain for the Kabucki that Congress deploys (play acting outrage while maneuvering toward dead ends), why Mueller will not be stopped by Rudy and why in the end, status quo will prevail.

    Finally, no offense FLEP but they are NOT looking at the gun on the nightstands!

    Yep, beyond cold anger now and onto Midterms where we prevail and VSGPDJT cleans out the DOJ and FBI!

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  41. JoAnn Leichliter says:

    The FISA Court–however “necessary” or “Important to national security” it may be or that its proponents purport it to be–is essentially a secret, unaccountable “Star Chamber,” of the very kind that the founders deplored and structured the legal system to avoid. It does not matter that it is technically not used to authorize criminal investigations, because it becomes a back door for them. It just needs to be abolished, as does all bulk data collection. Human nature being what it is, such data collection by the government–with no warrant and/or by authorization of a secret and essentially unaccountable court–will inevitably be abusive.

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    • sDee says:

      It must be ended. There is no probable cause – only a series of legal traps to create the illusion of probable cause. Congress knew what it was creating and exactly how it is now being abused.

      And you are right that the Founders foresaw this.

      The “Patriot” Act, all that followed, and all that precipitated it, were destined to render void, the 4th Amendment.

      “The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects,[a] against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.”

      The initiation of data collection without openly proving probable, verifiable cause to a judge, violates this.

      Just because computers are used to conduct the searches changes nothing. In fact,with communications, technology, and data/media monopolies aligned directly with the State, it is now more important than ever in history that we find new leaders who will restore our 4th Amendment rights.

      As I see it, we have relegated our 4th Amendment rights and protections over to
      some low level administrative employee in bed with one politically appointed judge.

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  42. HB says:

    What makes these people think that they’re immune to the Seth Rich treatment.

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    • Concerned Virginian says:

      I don’t believe they think they’re immune to the “Seth Rich treatment”. It may be they believe they’re “buying time” for themselves every time they engineer yet another delay/ lie to Congress/ add another layer of DOJ-FBI to hide behind. But every single one of the Black Hats knows that Hillary Clinton will always have them vectored for “removal”. They are, every one of them, another name to be added to the Clinton Body Count.
      Would not surprise me if this knowledge is one of the reasons why Rosenstein kept losing it during his “testimony” to Congress.

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  43. PS says:

    Let’s assume that the gears of beaurocracy spun legally, and this “garbage in, garbage out” investigation resulting in the FISA was procedurally correct.

    1). It is time to recognize the “garbage in” was politically motivated. Low and mid level FBI and DOJ can still be fired.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-07-04/former-us-ambassador-confirms-intel-report-russian-interference-politically

    2). The Mueller probe must end, fruit of the poisoned tree. Then it’s Uranium One time, crack all that open, and fire any State Dept holdovers.

    3). What happened to the output of the FISA queries? Was anything shared / leaked with NGOs like DNC for political purposes. The swamp seems especially protective of this line of questioning. Hit them on that.

    4). Make every measure to shut FISA abuse down. Lack of controls? Make controls, it’s your job. If you can log every communication in the country, then you can log who is accessing the database. You just didn’t want to. Why, if everything was “by the book”?

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  44. iconoclast says:

    “The system is, in essence, set up to protect itself.”

    A key characteristic of The Swamp: self-serving, self-protecting, and impervious to outside influence.

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  45. Rosentein – 1 PDJT – 0

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  46. JX says:

    Maybe the initial FISA warrant was granted by FISC after AG Lynch authorized the surveillance.

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  47. Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

    Seems that the ball is squarely in Horowitz (and Huber’s) court now and that FISA warrant is the ball game. (The Senate Intelligence Committee report may have been constructed as backstop.)

    Rosey’s testimony about FISA to Gaetz & Gohmert and Horowitz’s 9+ hours reflect this.

    Rosenstein
    Total bureaucratic CYA mode on the “did you even read what you signed” question.
    He doesn’t redo the investigation on a FISA renewal he simply makes sure that all the paperwork is in order. The info in the renewal application is “sworn to be truthful by Federal agents” so he assumes it is. He doesn’t make the agents “pinky swear”, he doesn’t check for “finger crossies” or ask them “do you really, Really, REALLY swear”.
    Timeline is key here: Rosey signed the renewal BEFORE the now known details of the original Carter Page warrant became public (Nunes, Grassley,Schiff memos).
    Rosey says his briefing (by sworn agents) DOES NOT MATCH what ultimately became public.
    More directly to Gohmert he states that those sworn agents may have lied to him.

    Horowitz
    The most interesting thing about Horowitz’s testimony was how he responded to Dems trying to get him to call Trump a liar.
    (Trump was stating the “IG Email Report” vindicates him of “Russia”)
    Not only would Horowitz NOT call Trump a liar but he PUSHED BACK HARD. EVERY TIME.
    To summarize his push back:
    “This report is on the Email investigation EXCEPT IN ONE INSTANCE where it crosses over to Russia:How Strzok handled the Wiener laptop. While Strzok’s bias didn’t affect the email investigation (because he was merely an oarsman) I CANNOT say the same thing about the Russia investigation (where he was the captain).” Furthermore he repeatedly stated he thought Strzok’s explanations weren’t rational ones. (i.e. they were B.S).
    (If you want to see what a Congressman looks like when he’s crapping his pants or the principle of “quit while you’re still losing” watch Nadler question Horowitz.)
    Horowitz was laying out his investigatory path for all to see.
    Email investigation–>Strzok/Page texts–>Strzok’s Russia investigation–>FISA,

    We now know that Horowitz called for prosecutorial assistance as far back as Nov 2017 confirmed publicly by Sessions in March (Huber)
    Why?
    It doesn’t appear based on the McCabe Report or the MYE Report that he needed that kind of help as findings in those fall squarely in the IG’s mandate: policy and procedural misconduct for referral to OPR. (Leaks, Lies, Bluster, and Ball Tickets)

    The Carter Page FISA is the key here methinks.
    The odor on this has outreached the highest heaven and Strzok would have had to been involved in this. Look at the turds that make up this stink that we know about:
    1) The target is Carter Page? A guy that mere months before had been working with FBI counterintel to break up a Russian spy ring (HPSCI Report)
    2) The Steele Dossier paid for by HRC given to the FBI (and simultaneously to State, and Congress, and MSM) obfuscated and hidden in a footnote.
    3) Multiple on the record testimony that the dossier was “unverified” violating at minimum FBI’s DIOG on verification of FISA info.
    4) Double-dipping Isikoff’s article as source of “verification”
    5) Steele FIRED by FBI (not revealed to FISC judges) for supplying the “dip to double”.

    6) And now Rosey testifying publicly that what he was briefed doesn’t “match” and “we’ll see whether Horowitz says I did anything wrong.” In other words, Rosey has already all told this to Horowitz.

    Recall Horowitz had the FISA issues added officially, specifically, and lickety-split to his review mandate simultaneous to the public announcement of Huber.

    This FISA (and subsequent renewals) is a big problem.
    How Horowitz/Huber handle this is the ball game.

    This to me is the significance of the Senate Intel Report essentially giving a Hugo award to the ICA Without any interest in even having the DNC server analyzed by proper law enforcement or questioning Assange, they have laid the groundwork for the a “while the FISA PROCESS was abused the underlying intel was correct: The Russians were attacking us.”

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  48. Koot Katmando says:

    OK. I am really missing something here. Sundance said this

    “Well, it would be “by the book” for the DOJ-NSD officials to lie to the Deputy AG about a counterintelligence operation, if the Deputy AG was within linear authority to the subject or target of the counterintelligence operation. They are allowed to lie to him.”

    It could very well be true they can “per the book” lie to keep someone in the dark or uniformed. However, a lie to convince someone to sign a document authorizing a FISA surveillance could never be “by the book” in a sane and rational world. That is saying it is “by the book” to lie to the FISA court, or not tell the FISA court all the info required?

    I almost always like Sundance analysis but not this one. The AG or deputy AG signature is required for a reason. This sounds more like Rosy not taking responsibility for what he authorized and blaming the system. If some really lied to him to get him to authorize a FISA application based on false or unlawful actions there has to be a crime there. Someone on his staff had to sign a Staff Summary document or something similar with the lie and can be held accountable.

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    • Nicole says:

      Sundance is pointing to what the defense strategy will be. Koot your logic is exactly right.

      The Fisa Warrant is just a part of the corruption to elect Hillary and destroy PDJT. Everyone sees all the criminal acts and it will be proven in a court of law. The thousands of criminal acts all point to a massive conspiracy to destroy the constitution. The prosecution almost always builds a case by gathering evidence to prove beyond a reasonable doubt…very seldom do you see criminals directly doing criminal acts.

      Fisa lack of controls and procedures problems can not be used to hide their criminal acts.

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    • Donzo says:

      Absolutely 100% agree with your view here, Koot. This is where Trump has a perfect rationale to step into the DOJ. If Rosy is to be believed that he didn’t know at the time , well, what did he do when he found out? That’s right. Zilch.

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      • Clara says:

        I could see the DOJ lawyers making a case that they shouldn’t present the warrant to Rosy and ask him to sign it, due to a perceived conflict of interest (since Rosy was a Trump appointee). What I can’t see — and where I disagree with Sundance — is the DOJ lawyers using this perceived conflict of interest as an excuse to go ahead an present the warrant to Rosy anyway, lie to him about it, and then ask him to sign it. At the time that this third warrant was sought, James Comey was still director of the FBI. He therefore was one of two people authorized to sign the warrant, the other being Rosenstein. The third position at the DOJ, which normally would have been authorized to sign the warrant, was vacant at the time. Thus, it seems obvious that if the DOJ lawyers perceived a conflict of interest with Rosenstein, such that they would not be able to tell him the truth about what was in the warrant, they should have gone to Comey for this third warrant. Why they didn’t, in my opinion, is the true burning question. My guess is they probably knew that Comey was up to his eyeballs in this conspiracy, having already signed the two prior warrants. And they knew that it would look better to a judge if one of Trump’s own appointees signed the warrant to spy on Trump associates. Thus, they reasoned, let’s just go to Rosenstein, and not tell him the whole truth about what’s in this thing. We know he won’t read it anyway; he will trust us to tell him everything he needs to know, because he is a loyalist, and his first loyalty always has been and always will be to the DOJ.

        So, again, while I normally concur with Sundance most of the time, I have to disagree with him this time. I think that if Rosenstein was lied to about what was in that warrant, the DOJ lawyers claiming that they had a right to lie to him, because he had a conflict of interest, is not going to fly — not with the IG, and not with the American people.

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  49. Blue bongo says:

    Attaboy SD. Keep digging, T-1 warrants unleash the entire Intel apparatus, both Civ & Mil. There is much more. The Rice memo is just the tip.

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  50. mashall says:

    I am trying to make it a daily goal to inform at least 1 person a day of The Conservative Tree House and Sundance.
    Spread the Word.
    America First!
    Americans First!

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    • mashall says:

      Imagine if every reader attached a story link to all of their friends/family in their address book.
      On a daily basis.
      I would think that would spread the word.

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