Chairman Devin Nunes Discusses Trey Gowdy, Spygate, Five-Eyes, the IG Report, and the Mirrored Rabbit Hole….

Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunes appeared earlier today on Fox News with Maria Bartiromo to discuss the ongoing aspects of Spygate etc.  WATCH:

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As CTH shared over a week ago, the investigative focus has shifted toward a larger backstory within the CIA and professional counterintelligence actors, ie. spies. Within this line of inquiry it is dangerous to take current presentations and overlay them against their historic footprint. Inevitably the discussion leads to contradictions and forces the conversation into the world of mirrored halls filled with purposeful disinformation.

Intelligence professionals use words like “tradecraft” to explain the process of lying, manipulation and falsehood construction as a professional skill-set. It is almost impossible to identify the truth in current claims by those who are skilled in dark arts; especially when you accept they are likely holding motives and intentions that might be 180 degrees in the opposite direction from initial appearances.

There’s a blue-zillion ‘spy infiltration theories‘ floating around the internet in various granular forms. A few are solid and possible, but most appear based on abject nonsense and twisted logic.

The Inspector General report on the FBI and DOJ action in the Clinton investigation is due out this week. In my humble opinion it is best to wait and see what discoveries are within the fact-centric report, and the confirmed underlying evidence, before wandering out into the speculative land of mirrored rabbit holes.

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469 Responses to Chairman Devin Nunes Discusses Trey Gowdy, Spygate, Five-Eyes, the IG Report, and the Mirrored Rabbit Hole….

  1. MAGAbear says:

    Not sure where some are getting the notion that Nunes, Di Genova, etc are getting soft in these latest interviews. You can’t expect fireworks everytime they’re on TV. They know what went on here and are doing their best to uncover it.

    Just as an aside, we all wonder why Sessions, who must know by now that he was deceived by people at DOJ (Rosenstein, etc) to recuse himself doesn’t now unrecuse himself knowing he never had to in the first place. The simple answer may just be that he knows he would look like a complete idiot if he essentially had to admit that he wasn’t smart enough to know he was being hoodwinked by underlings at his own department. But as the saying goes, better to look like a fool than to continue being one.

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  2. andy says:

    🙂

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    • Jan says:

      I only wish your meme were true. Unless Mueller is going to take down his staff along with the Clintons, Podestas, etc., Mueller is not doing the “white hat” thing. If he were, Weissman would have leaked everything into the MSM by now. I’m still trying to hope Sessions is busy working miracles underneath the surface while Horowitz & Huber flail away at the “little group”, getting indictments, but Rosenstein’s conflicts and the way he is hiding docs and his memo to Mueller expanding his powers is a very bad sign to me.

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      • When was the last time anybody has seen Mueller’s team of lawyers publicly…because the theme in the meme is not new. Many have been saying since the beginning that THAT was the plan. The theory also was/is that since all those Clinton lawyers participated in the investigation…they could not later defend Swamp critters from resulting charges.

        They would have to in effect recuse…especially after Sessions was so steadfast of an example. I mean there is much more detail to the theory that makes sense logically…the question is whether it is simply too 64D Chess for anybody to plan it.

        Some have no problem attributing 64D Chess like moves to the Swamp…for example, planting Sessions on the Trump Train at the BEGINNING of the campaign before anybody knew Trump could win.

        It has been said countless times by many people…Trump has been planning this for decades. I do not believe he is alone. Where are all those Generals and Admirals that boarded the Trump Train? 64D Chess? Or, simply an excellent plan of attack based on decades of studying the opponent?

        I will just ask this: How many times during the past 3 years did we find ourselves shaking our heads with open mouths at the brilliance of Donald J. Trump?

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        • johneb18 says:

          I thought this, too, as soon as Mueller’s lineup card was submitted, but still, to me, seems too good to be true.

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        • DrNo76 says:

          Mueller is a black hat. He’s there to carry on the insurance policy. But the premium has lapsed and the policy will be cancelled in the Fall.

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      • CollusionMyth says:

        No way that Mueller’s group is investigating their heroes.

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      • thedoc00 says:

        Unless there is another set of “secrete orders”. Mueller’s team was specifically forbidden from looking at Clinton, per his existing and public orders.

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        • andy says:

          What is the one last document that would prove the theory? the scope document.

          Judge Ellis saw it. The other manafort judge said she saw it or didnt care what it said…

          That document may hold the key

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        • David A says:

          I did not know that. Link?

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  3. Dutchman says:

    Admitting, I didnt watch the interview, but maybe; its ‘easy’ for us, as spectators, to have a ‘get popcorn’ attitude of excitement and anticipation.
    But recognising the full enormity of what we all believe was done, and ALSO recognising the full enormity of what NEEDS to be done i.e. informing the American people, would and SHOULD be very SOBERING, for any Patriot.
    100 times worse than Watergate; gonna cause lots of damage to our country. Granted, we look at it as neccesary, just as surgery causes ‘damage’, but in order to bring about healing.
    But Nunes isn’t a surgeon with years of training, to overcome his natural inclinations, so he can cut into someone.
    He’s a dairy farmer, playing a major role in exposing something HORRIBLE, UNTHINKABLE. So, I think he’s, …entitled to be somber, subdued or even weighed down with the responsibility?
    We really wouldnt want someone with a ‘YIPPIE’, “GET POPCORN!” attitude doing the actual surgery, now would we?
    OH, BOY! NOW I get to cut out your SPLEEN! Always wanted to do one of these!” Is NOT what you want to hear from your surgeon, just before you go under. Same applies to these other talking heads, they also dont want to appear gleeful. Anyway, my thought.

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    • David Conley says:

      You make a good point. A big part of our problem is that many people now expect personal satisfaction and entertainment instead of even-handed competence or objectivity. Be wary of public figures who always give us what we want.

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    • churchmouse says:

      We also don’t know what sort of threats Nunes and his family might be getting right now.

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    • Bud Klatsch says:

      Thanks D’man. I have been in awe of Nunes for a year now. As you say, a dairy farmer? Amazing, he has been sent to us to absolve us of our swamp. I especially like his interviews from these farming symposiums surrounded by tractors and farm equipment. How remarkable?

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      • Jedi Clampett says:

        I love how Nunes is referred to as a “dairy farmer” as if it means he’s some kind of simpleton. Possibly the most brilliant man I ever met was a dairy farmer. While Steve Jobs and Steve Wozniak were still zit-faced teenagers, this man had already constructed a homemade computer. He just figured it out on his own. His education? He was an 8th grade graduate from a one-room schoolhouse.

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        • CollusionMyth says:

          Doesn’t the brilliant Victor Davis Hanson also have a rural CA backround?

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          • Mickturn says:

            Intelligence is the counter to ‘Higher Education’…called Indoctrination. Those that can think clearly DO NOT need Marxist Professors to ‘teach them’ what to think!

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            • svenwg says:

              For an example of such a creature, look no further than Albert Einstein who never finished school and worked on one of His Seminal Thesis while employed as a post office clerk.

              Intelligence or IQ is the only determining factor when it comes to the level a Civilisation can achieve. Low IQ as an average amongst a people creates small Tribal groups that have the strongest man as its leader and as a consequence rarely achieve a civilisation higher than hunter gatherers at the low end and nomadic herders at its pinnacle. Sub-Saharan Africa is an example of this.

              The higher the Average IQ is amongst a population the more freedoms the population experience. The United States of America, a few decades ago was at the forefront of freedoms and innovation, due to its average IQ and the fact that it was a Constitutional Republic, something that Japan and China lacked even though they have the highest average IQ on the planet, a fact that has prevented their populations from having the ability to innovate.

              The NWO is very aware of this correlation between IQ and Freedoms of individuals to innovate and create a strong culture of freedoms as well as individual thought, leading to a nation of strong minded and unruly people who will not bow before their ‘Betters’. This is the reason that immigration laws changed in the 1960s to allow more low IQ people into the USA 🇺🇸 to lower the average IQ, with the objective to curtail the individual freedoms Americans enjoyed and look at the results. An America at war with itself and citizens incapable of understanding that their freedoms are being eroded.

              Thank God for President Trump, who is slowly reawakening the high IQ citizens to save the greatest nation on earth and the only possible saviour of the rest of mankind.

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              • Zimbalistjunior says:

                Patent clerk. I believe Einstein was reviewing patent applications for a year or two, a job which may have required brains and which also definitely allowed for his brain to wander on genius level excursions.

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          • Peg_C the Deplorable says:

            He’s an almond farmer in the San Joaquin Valley of Calif. and SHOULD be considered a national treasure!

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        • Concernedcitizen says:

          Possibly the most brilliant person I’ve ever encountered once worked as a produce manager for a Publix Supermarket. Imagine that.

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          • Peg_C the Deplorable says:

            One thing I’ve learned in 6+ decades is that every person has incredible untold stories and hidden depths. We truly are an amazing species.

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          • Perot Conservative says:

            One of the most brilliant men I met grew up logging and fighting fires, his father a poor logger, and when Pops was gone he was watched over by an old logger named Dagger.

            Earned a PhD in Physics from UC Berkeley; worked on the Apollo Mission; inventor; researcher; and radio show host for 20+ years. Dr. Bill Wattenburg.

            He invented an inexpensive helicopter-pulled landmine contraption, called it the Chain Matrix Minesweeper. He was an on-call advisor for the Bush White House when emergencies arose.

            He also successfully advocated for food drops from 25,000 feet to feed starving villagers and ensure plane safety.

            Some fans dubbed his phone calls with colorful callers and uploaded then with pictures to youtube.

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      • Peg_C the Deplorable says:

        I didn’t even know he was a dairy farmer. Holy cow. I’ve long suspected he faces daily death threats and this is hugely worrying for him, his family and all of us patriots. Now I’m going to be worried all his cows could get slain. YES those things happen!

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      • Steve 2A III% says:

        Nunes is the definition of PATRIOT

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    • KeithBB says:

      My favorite quote from Nunes – “I LIKE IT when people attack me” (and what we’re doing). Tells me he is has a fighter mentality – who loves to counterpunch with doggedness and an even keel.. The left keeps swinging wildly, while he keeps coming back with a quiet but solid body-shot to the midsection..

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    • Jederman says:

      I hear ya, I somewhat agree. It is horrible. But it’s not unthinkable. Unthinkable went out the window with FF, Benghazi and the IRS scandals. They may, or may not have anything to do with the IC, but the common denominator is the obama WH.

      This is merely a variation on the theme – use the system to suppress all political decent. Since it’s recent news, lets not forget D’ Souza. Yes he did something wrong but he seems to be one of the few that got the hammer from the obama DOJ for doing it. Oh, yeah, but he spoke out against the obama WH.

      It’s my sincerest desire to see this weaponizing of the system by the fanatics on the Left crushed, and all participants punished to the fullest extent. I don’t give a rat’s rear if there are riots for the next six months. Let the cards fall where they may. Why should we live the rest of our lives knowing our system is rotten and that we wimped out when we had the power to correct it? Why should we hand this scheisse sandwich to our children too?

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  4. Hstry101 says:

    After following this entire mess for some time, I’ve concluded that the Obama administration began a full and complete attack on anyone and everything it considered as opposition to its policies and used every tool including the IRS, State Department, DOJ, FBI, INS, and CIA to prosecute, persecute, and destroy its enemies, beginning with Eric Holder and first manifesting itself during Benghazi. The latest focus on the Trump campaign and people involved is not the beginning of corruption, but the continuation of a pattern of corruption by people who didn’t care about law, personal rights, or the Constitution.

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    • DanO64 says:

      yep.

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    • sat0422 says:

      I still have a great book that was published at the beginning of the Obama Dynasty, “The Culture of Corruption” by Michelle Malkin. If everyone had read it, they would not be suprised at where we find the state of affairs today. She did a brilliant job of detailing the dirt on each and everyone who was close to Obama at the time. But, like any virus, I’m sure the pool of corrupt individiuals grew over eight long years.

      I have always said that the Clintons took crime to D.C. and it spread like wild fire over the years. Arkansas has named every city, street, airport and building they can after the Clintons and yet, the history of crime that they practiced in their early years is still documented.

      Clinton, the Bush clan and Obama….how did American get so lucky. The Bushes just stayed low key and people didn’t understand that the old man, HWBush, was a rat that was crosswise with Reagan. When the Bushes took the low road and couldn’t support Trump as President, it wasn’t about Trump calliing out Jeb, it goes much deeper than that.

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    • delyon Getty says:

      Actually, it seems like Obama has succeeded in infecting politics with the African tribal killer – disease.
      The Hutus, the Tutsi, the Mau Mau All now resemble the DNC.
      Extreme? Maybe, but not too far-fetched, I believe.

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    • Peg_C the Deplorable says:

      One slight correction: The use of the IRS to target all the Tea Party groups in order to neutralize the threat they had proven so effectively to be in the 2010 mid-terms tsunami pre-dated Benghazi and began in 2011. I know this because I was in 3 groups and the leaders were being bombarded with red-tape IRS requests and threats. Most gave up and shut down. Some fought back. 0bama and Lerner won the battle (the 2012 election) but lost the war 1-1/2 years ago, thanks to PDJT, who won the votes of all the TP members I know except for the small NeverTrump wing of those groups. We more than made up for the loss because of all the gains with disaffected working class Dems and minorities.

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    • Lindenlee says:

      Yes. Criminal to the core.

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    • blondegator says:

      You forgot those corrupt Gibson Guitars. Heh.

      GREAT comment!

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  5. The Boss says:

    The last segment of the interview involving Google, Twitter and Facebook as monopolies ought to have puckered sphincters in Silicon Valley. For a guy who is not a lawyer, Nunes certainly used a lawyerly set-up when, in the context of Google’s interference with free flow of information he said to the effect: “If there is not a free market solution to Google’s [abuse], then maybe that [antitrust] is somewhere we’ll have to go”.

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    • USMCLt says:

      The trouble with any hoping for an antitrust solution to the tech monopolies is that Jeff Sessions’ corrupt DOJ will block any such efforts, check, checkmate. So, Congress can hold all the hearings they want, blustering about antitrust violations, and NOTHING will happen. The longer Sessions allows HIS organization to stonewall these matters, the stronger will be the case against HIM.

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      • President Trump will hold ALL of his cabinet accountable for delivering massively on America First OUTCOMES.

        The DOJ, FBI and Intel agencies will NOT escape firings if they fall short on ALL fronts.

        Our VSG POTUS has begun to hint that he WILL
        • promote unfettered free-market competition,
        • defend our civil rights on the internet and
        • ensure integrity of our elections from both interference (“foreign and domestic”) and corruption.

        IMO he will be setting these initiatives up during the Mid-Term Election campaigns.

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      • cozette says:

        Sessions just announced that he’s hired 300 (?) new attorneys. The funding came from the Omnibus bill and was one of MANY reasons why POTUS signed it despite the childish tantrums of some of his so called supporters.

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    • Nunes continues to amaze in terms of his courage and commitment to redress YUGE threats to our republic.

      Could he be primed to join President Trump in leading an Antitrust Crusade as Chairman of the House Judiciary Committee to succeed retiring Chairman Goodlatte?

      Natural no-brainer for me.

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  6. American says:

    I have no doubt the lid is going to blow off this rotted can of worms in the not too distant future. I only hope the government pulls Louis Lerner back into it for sending IRS spies into Christian churches (like they do in China and did in the Soviet Union) to charge and imprison pastors who dared to object to the false Democrat narrative that homosexual behavior and trannyism was is actually God’s design for humanity; suppressing conservative applications while speeding up leftist applications; and turning over conservative applications to the FBI for criminal investigation.

    It’s appalling what she did for Obama and she needs to go away in irons with him and the rest of them before this is over imo.

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    • I understand there’s no statute of limitations on Sedition…

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    • American- the fact that the most evil Lois “The 5th” Lerner is not spending the rest of her miserable life in some Supermax Prison has always pissed me off to no small extent.

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    • L. Gee says:

      Since they started looking into the IRS corruption under Lerner during the previous aministration, I wonder if someone somewhere tainted the evidence or somehow muckied up the investigation so that in its current form, Sessions could not move forward with it; therefore, he did the only thing he could do and shut it down.

      This is, of course, all speculation on my part, but it could be one plausible explanation for why justice was not carried out. In fact, I would believe this scenario (or one similar to it) over the idea that Sessions is corrupt and just willing to let this slide.( Note that I DO NOT want to get into another pointless Sessions’ bashing contest here, which seems to happen at the mere mention of his name! Sheeesh!)

      Here’s hoping Lerner and the IRS haven’t been completely forgotten and the case can be resurrected at a later date!

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    • Peg_C the Deplorable says:

      Very cathartic summation. What was done to those churches and pastors was demonic, IMHO.

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  7. Tim Holden says:

    It is easy enough to be concerned about the developing day-to-day events of this crisis. But it is a major crisis. It involves not only the various characters who do either credit or discredit to themselves, which is interesting, but it concerns the great agencies of the American State, and the way in which they have subverted the democratic processes that afford the United States the moral authority it claims. Beyond the significance of this fundamental component of the modern world also affected are the governments of major allies of the United States who have almost certainly colluded, cynically, with one of the parties in an American election. Huge political issues are involved in this, vast amounts of money, and with the clear additional collusion of the media it is arguable, and no doubt being argued, that it is simply too big to properly deal with.

    It is also, unfortunately, so complex that it is very difficult to understand the scope of the scandal in the crisis. Undoubtedly those who foolishly still hope to cover this up now pin hopes on the complexity of the story. They will hope to pick at the details, to discredit character and minutiae, to drag it out for so long that it will no longer have relevance. Then, because The Big Ugly has become so ugly they will unquestionably seek to blame it on President Trump.

    Ensuring “this doesn’t happen again” demands some careful thought. At the root of the evildoing, beyond mendacity, beyond the complacency of those certain of the Clinton victory, beyond the abuse of Intelligence Agencies – the seventeen so brazenly quoted to support the smears intended – has been the complicity of the disgusting press. Smears, Stormy, salacious dossiers, endless attacks, and of late crude insult, base sneering on a daily basis, has continued unabated since Clinton failed to achieve her coronation. You actually have to ask whether the crimes committed would have occurred had there not been the confidence that the press would behave the way they have.

    Those who worry that the scandal will be covered up do not need to be concerned. It won’t be covered up because it won’t go away. Just because it’s taken so long to expose, don’t imagine anyone is capable of making it go away. How to deal with how big it is, that’s the problem. Actually, I think the President probably will get round to dealing with it very effectively. He’s been doing a pretty good job at most things so far.

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    • David Munday says:

      He is smarter than I thought.

      Liked by 2 people

      • CollusionMyth says:

        What conservative or Republican has the left and their propaganda arm ever said was smart?

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        • Kris Langley says:

          The one who, five minutes prior to their need for a conservative who supports a view, they dismissed as a dullard, an idiot, etc. (classic example, D. D. Eisenhower and ‘the military-industrial complex’ – ignoring his warnings about government-funded science in the same speech)

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          • Lindenlee says:

            Eisenhower condemned Eastern Europe to 45 yeara of hell under Communism, because he would not allow Patton to finish the job and keep the Russians at bay. Not a fan. Just my 2 cents.

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            • Cuppa Covfefe says:

              That wasn’t his choice. Look at what happened to MacArthur.

              The globalists were pulling strings back then, and even (long) before. They always need thesis, antithesis, and their desired synthesis..Need all three to pursue their agenda…

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    • USMCLt says:

      The President is doing a great job, against staggering odds. However, he is one man. If by some horrible chance, he should disappear from the battlefield, who would take up the mantle? Pence? Uh, huh. We must continue to support our President, but we must also guard against complacency and consider our future options. What will WE do in the event that the Deep State is successful in suppressing all of this corruption? The Deep State must continue to feel our hot anger and fear us, as they should.

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      • Timolin says:

        You are completely correct. The Deep State is not going to die easily. Even if defeated it will seek to reconstitute itself. For a very long time the election of 2016 will be remembered. We are in fact lucky to have lived in such a time, and more than lucky that Mrs Clinton was thwarted as she was. My several comments have been to remind all of the stamina demanded in this fight – many years of evil must be reversed, and as you say the outcome is far from definite. But it will come out. It is out. Now it has to be dealt with.

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      • bentley1blog says:

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      • SRC says:

        Devin Nunes for POTUS 2024!

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    • Mickturn says:

      I think it’s pretty simple:
      Communist ‘Any Means to an End’ + Corrupt Officials at all levels = Attempted Communist Take Over!

      All we have to do is totally OUTLAW any Leftist Politics and send all those now here to form a colony on the SUN!

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    • Tim- excellent post, many important points.

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    • Let's roll says:

      I’m counting on Rudy having a thumb drive of Weiner’s laptop with all of Hillary’s emails (0’s included?). Hard, cold facts – all the “birds will sing.” Weiner knew he needed an insurance “policy” as his wife and candidate Hillary appeared to ignore him in 2015/2016, leaving him adrift, without a job and income..

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      • Perot Conservative says:

        I’m counting on some SDNY insiders having copies and releasing said if our IC doesn’t fly straight.

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        • farrier105 says:

          If it is true that Mueller works for us because of the discovery of Hillary paying for the dossier and Podesta (Tony, not John) worked with Manafort and got tangled up, I wonder if it is a good idea to let the other side know that.

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      • johneb18 says:

        I always thought of the ‘Life Insurance’ folder as one being intentionally kept by Huma Abedin in case her relationship with HRC ever went sideways. Leverage against Arkancide.

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  8. konradwp1 says:

    Great interview by Nunes.

    Listen from 5.05. Nunes knows that the FBI are flat out lying when they say their “counter intelligence” operation started on 31 July 2016. As Treepers would know, Mifsud’s first contact with Papadopoulos was 14 March 2016. (Gasp! It’s almost as if Nunes was a CTH reader).

    Now, let’s all think back to Nunes memo on FISA abuse. The FBI demanded alterations before release [an addition]. And doesn’t that addition stand out like a sore thumb? Why yes, it’s the 31 July 2016 claimed start date of their “counter intelligence” operation. Nunes gave them their alteration. Nunes gave them enough rope.

    Later in the interview, Nunes calls out Downer (Advisory member of Hakluyt & Co. (Hello Halper!)). Downer is a piece of filth. Most Australian voters will cheer if “Fishnets” goes under the bus.

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    • Mary Morse says:

      January 12, 2017, the BBC reported that :
      http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38589427
      …”On 15 October, the US secret intelligence court issued a warrant to investigate two Russian banks. This news was given to me by several sources and corroborated by someone I will identify only as a senior member of the US intelligence community.”…

      …”He confirmed the sequence of events below.
      Last April, the CIA director was shown intelligence that worried him. It was – allegedly – a tape recording of a conversation about money from the Kremlin going into the US presidential campaign.
      It was passed to the US by an intelligence agency of one of the Baltic States. The CIA cannot act domestically against American citizens so a joint counter-intelligence taskforce was created.
      The taskforce included six agencies or departments of government. Dealing with the domestic, US, side of the inquiry, were the FBI, the Department of the Treasury, and the Department of Justice. For the foreign and intelligence aspects of the investigation, there were another three agencies: the CIA, the Office of the Director of National Intelligence and the National Security Agency, responsible for electronic spying.
      Lawyers from the National Security Division in the Department of Justice then drew up an application. They took it to the secret US court that deals with intelligence, the Fisa court, named after the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. They wanted permission to intercept the electronic records from two Russian banks.
      Their first application, in June, was rejected outright by the judge. They returned with a more narrowly drawn order in July and were rejected again. Finally, before a new judge, the order was granted, on 15 October, three weeks before election day.”…

      And more recently the Spectator identifies the unidentified “Baltic State” as Estonia:
      https://spectator.org/john-brennans-plot-to-infiltrate-the-trump-campaign/

      Interesting ties to this Baltic State:
      http://www.vabaeestisona.com/index.php/news-in-english/1426-millions-poured-into-stanford-university-to-teach-estonian-history.html
      …’ “[I]ts purpose is to show future generations how terrible the decades of Soviet rule were, a time when no one was allowed to believe in a free and independent Estonia,” wrote Cambridge historian Peter Martland in a privately published volume on the family’s history, Footprints in the Sands of Time.”…

      Here’s the leadership team for the museum:
      http://vabamucampaign.org/

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      • digleigh says:

        ITS CALLED DISINFORMATION! Who was recording, who was on the tape, and who was receiving this information?? If the intel agencies KNOW (Alperovitch , a Russian who pretends to be Russian mobsters online was who the FBI trusted to look at servers!! …/Vanity Fair article) When Eric Schmidt(GOOGLE) “get Hillary elected email partner of Cheryl ” the fake immunity deal” Mills, gave 100 million to CROWDSTRIKE ( company of Alperovitch and wife( a computer hacker, btw….) to find this Russian interference, and the intel is so saavy, and they know about DISINFORMATION, etc… Why did they not look into it FIRST as to its veracity before blowing this into a full blown investigation of a candidate and his campaign???(OR it is just your insurance plan….) , an opposing guy who is campaigning for Hillary(who paid for fake dossier)/Obama “who wants to know EVERYTHING!” targeted a man , his family , and his campaign workers…..SHAMEFUL!!

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      • digleigh says:

        Why (if this so called secret evidence was so compelling, did they get turned down twice until , they got a new judge???)Was that new judge, CONTRERAS? (The one Scrzok mentions going to see at a party??) SUBPOENA HIM!!! Also, the NATIONAL SECURITY DIVISION ?? Wasn’t that the small group with Yates involved who told Admiral Mike Rogers(when he discovered the FISA abuse?), they were not beholden to the dept. investigation ( some lengthy letter written explaining why no one can see what they are doing??…) If so, I WOULD NOT TRUST A WORD OUT OF THEIR MOUTHS!! YATES is the one that WEISMAN said in an email (para)”Congrats on your subordination against Trump!!!” Top investigator of Trump in Mueller investigation….This whole thing could NOT get ANY dirtier!!!

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        • Tom22ndState says:

          Nice rant, though it was IG Horowitz that received the lengthy legal refusal to allow the NS division to be reviewed; which AAG Yates authored.

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        • Amy2 says:

          Could you expand on the Weisman email? This is news to me…
          BTW, do we still “tape” conversations? Is that like “wire tapping”?!

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      • digleigh says:

        Sorry for writing so much….Just for clarification? Was this the pings heard from the tower, that these rabid, anti-Trump dim computer ladies reported that with THEIR research uncovered that Russian banks were calling into tower, etc?? Later found out to be normal, purchase of hotel rooms or something to that effect?? I will try to look back…. Maybe it was Carter Page, getting a hotel in Russia for his academic speech that Halper provocateured??LOL!

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        • Mary Morse says:

          It’s a valid question. I’m not sure. Perhaps others can fill in the blanks of this story:

          Were the two banks reported by the BBC related to the Alpha Bank “pings” discovered by L. Jean Camp and TeaLeaves?

          Was the IC task force granted a warrant to investigate the 2 banks?

          dig, it’s also interesting to me, that your first comment heads straight to Crowdstrike. It’s reported that Crowdsrike had some role in the investigation of the SONY hack. The cyber security intellectuals at Halper’s CiS like to write about the SONY hack…and also Estonia.

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        • Mary Morse says:

          Dig,
          Links to Alpha Bank’s lawyers’ letters to L. Jean Camp can be found here. These letters are an interesting read.

          http://out.easycounter.com/external/ljean.com

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      • Chewbarkah says:

        “Last April, the CIA director was shown intelligence that worried him. It was – allegedly – a tape recording of a conversation about money from the Kremlin going into the US presidential campaign.”

        Although I suspect the closest thing to real about this “tape recording” was Brennan’s ancient mini reel-to-reel device, the article doesn’t even claim WHICH campaign, if any (maybe it referred to the Facebook ads) – it’s all innuendo from there. If the intercept was genuine, there needs to be an investigation of exactly how Brennan connected this to Trump and eliminated others.

        Where does the following jump the tracks?: Upon learning that “Baltic Partners” had intercepted info about Russian money (which was actually flowing to Hillary), Brennan logically assumed this might get out to others soon enough. So he did what Dem’s always do: accuse your opponent of exactly what you are doing. Brennan targeted Trump to hide what Hillary was up to. Fearing that the Russians could expose Hillary with emails about the flow of $, Brennan created an operation to feed/catch Papadopoulos talking about anti-Hillary dirt and emails, so that if and when something emerged, Clinton could claim it was disinformation from Russia. All of this leads back to another Hillary cover-up.

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        • Mary Morse says:

          I’ve don’t know of alleged money flowing to Hillary. I don’t have a source for that.

          Personally, I think the Estonia links are quite interesting; leading straight back to Halper and his team, including his cyber security intellectuals. Halper, by the way is a Stanford grad.

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      • Marymorse- excellent post and info. THanks for posting.

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    • Critical Mass says:

      Downer – “the idiot son of the aristocracy” as accurately described by Paul Keating, And a “bunyip aristocracy” at that. It would be great to see him get thrown under the bus on this one. He’s always managed to skate from other scandals with which he has been involved i.e. Australian Wheat Board “oil for food’ scandal in Iraq war and spying on the East Timorese parliament after their independence.

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    • Kintbury says:

      I have e-mailed him a couple of times and once he said almost word for word what I said about the Greek and not being interviewed by the FBI. Of course, he probably didn’t even read it but I felt better.

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  9. SamlAdams says:

    Will still stick with the “wolf by the ears” hypothesis. The problem remains not the uncovering of what went on, but the how does one present this to the public along with a set of remedies. Governments and fractional banking both run on confidence. Lose it and you have chaos.

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  10. You don’t have the documents, Nunez? Quit whining. Slap Rosey with contempt of Congress, as you promised to do.

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    • H&HC, 2nd-16th says:

      EB – I think you are on to something. Its time Mr. Nunez starts playing HARDBALL. Chris Matthews does not have a patent on how the game is played.

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  11. My take from the interview: The IG report is being watered down by lawyers.

    Brace yourselves accordingly because this report could be nothing more than a big yawn after all the lawyers are finished with it.

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    • Abel says:

      And you’re probably onto something. The whole patience is a virtue is nonsense.
      Patience is giving the other side time to obfuscate. We’ve seen this playbook a 1000xs for 40+ years. Sessions is a Punk. We’ll see if Huber can do anything. He’ll probably be senile by the time they release the report.
      Trump can end all this, he somehow doesn’t want to. Guys got some stones.

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  12. Respectfully. For those expecting fireworks for every interview, please consider that minds are still being won over.

    Exhibit A: President Trump’s and GOP’s rising poll numbers despite the 24/7 media onslaught<<<many are running away from that chaos…so we may want to greet them more gently. People tend to listen more if they are not yelled at about how stupid they have been in the recent past.

    Exhibit B: CNN's ratings absolutely tanking! Where is the bottom for that network?

    Exhibit C: Look at the calm and extremely effective approach by Candice Owens…she is absolutely brilliant!

    Do not get me wrong…there is a time for ranting and getting the Deplorables fired up. But, I think Nunes, diGenova, and others are smart enough to recognize when.

    Hell, the NYTimes not having enough words to describe how good the Trump economy is…already screams enough for one day. Save some for tomorrow! LOL! 😀

    I have said it many times…there is some necessary showmanship going on here as well. The highest stakes poker on the planet. I understand we want transparency and we want it now. Sorry, simply not real world.

    Draining the Swamp is a nasty job which can make a good man look very dirty until the job is done…and he can go home and wash off the scum. Just remember the good man is not scum himself…simply had contact with it while in the process of unclogging the Swamp drain. Sounds possible to me that is what Nunes might be saying about Gowdy.

    I found it interesting how Nunes stressed the word 'heard' when discussing the fact that Gowdy had not 'read' the documents. There are different ways to interpret that.

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    • For clarity: I am not saying that Gowdy is not Swamp…I am just saying that it is not the only possible scenario.

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    • JW- great post, many things to think about.

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      • Thank you.

        I know I come on here sometimes and vent my frustrations before I have had a chance to sleep on it. I keep reminding myself that with so much at stake…EXPECT the unexpected.

        So much is happening, and it all seems to be taking so long…it is understandable for people to believe the result will be the same ol’…same ol’. I sometimes think we tend to get so caught up in the blow by blow…we lose track of who is winning the fight.

        A peak at the scorecard shows Trump is giving Swamp an a$$whoopin’ of historical proportions.

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        • JW- speaking of our beloved President giving the Swamp a beating, I thought you might enjoy this video that was widely circulated by the Left/ Dem/ Commies prior to the election, because they thought it would discourage the masses from voting for the man who would, against all odds, become the 45th POTUS:

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  13. sDee says:

    At the end Nunes calls out the monopolies of GoogleFacebookTwitter. CRITICAL but……we must not simply be “hoping” we treat them as such.

    Americans MUST recgonize GoogleFacebookTwitter as the most dangerous monopolies in anti-trust history. They are not only interested in market control – GoogleFacebookTwitter is a tool of absolute Orwellian control. Primarily because they are created and protected by the State and the Globalists for the purpose of eventually rendering moot, our Constitution.

    Breaking them up is actually quite simple and does NOT require more regulations/legislation as Bartiromo suggests. No effective legislation is possible from the corruption of the Swamp.

    Instead….
    1) Open up a few strategic APIs (application programming interfaces). This would launch freemarket competition nearly overnight. Opening this market would have to been done in organizations like OASIS (standards) and Eclipse (open source software). GoogleFacebookTwitter already control their own “proprietary” open projects. It is not hard to find software engineers to can identify the core interfaces to standardize and “engine” software to open source.

    2) Require new APIs that allow simple reporting apps to tell consumers who has what data from them and how much it is worth.

    I have decades of experience in open source and standards. This will work. There are hundreds of thousands of brilliant technologists ready to tap this huge free market opportunity. Just keep the solution away from the politicians and regulators.

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    • Bud Klatsch says:

      sDee, great suggestions and I hope you and Nunes are right, that there are competitive options. Of course these that lean left would hold on to their existing platforms and the rest of us would migrate immediately.

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    • sDee- this is an excellent post with much important info. If you read this reply, I would appreciate it if you could leave a comment regarding the current EU proposal to destroy the Internet via Article 13. Here is a video that explains.

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    • tonyE says:

      I’ve posted very similar ideas elsewhere. Like you, I’ve been at this for decades.

      A set of public RFCs would define inter operative communications for web browsing and message communications.

      The “storage” capacities of Google (and others) should be separated from it’s public search machines and Android ownership.

      That way, we create a category of Internet information creation databases ( Net Archivers ) and another one for archive searching machines (Net Searchers). The latter could own their own archivers if they so wanted but they would have to provide an API to other Searches. Everything should be transparent.

      The Archivers would live on the quality and breath of their archiving abilities and storage capacities.

      The Searchers could implement whatever bias they wanted, so long as they published their biases. How they filtered data should be published. The should also declare which Archivers they used (any, all…).

      Companies like Twitter should also operate with inter operable APIs… so they could share messages. With their biases transparent. You want to go to a Leftist Message Service, go for it.

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  14. Impatient says:

    I believe that Gowdy was trying to point out that the FBI got played by Brennan, Clapper, the white house, and even DOJ. There were those in the FBI who didn’t like Trump, but a lot of what they did was by the book – they just didn’t realize that the evidence they were given had been manufactured by others within the government.

    The Big Ugly was not a unified integrated operation. There were a lot of players and everybody did not know what everybody else was doing. We saw evidence of this when Brennan tried to dump the dossier mess in Comey’s lap.

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    • digleigh says:

      I beg to differ::: Comey, Page, Scrzok, Ohrs, McCabe and many of the top echelon knew exactly what they were doing!! Email,” The whitehouse wants to know everything 2) ” the whitehouse seems to be taking over the investigation…..(para)…”We can smell Trump supporters in Walmart a mile away……..” “We want Hillary 100,000,000 to one…..”” If he were to win, we need an insurance plan…..” I do agree that Brennan jumped ship to leave Comey holding the bag, however….. Comey and Mueller , if they wanted ,when they were looking into Manafort, since 2006!!!, could have looked into his dealings(but he was too connected to their buddies!!!) or possibly found information enough to process,but chose not to in 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015 , etc, etc…!!!!! Trump is RIGHT…… If they were so da– concerned for that many years, why did they not warn off Trump folks ??(Because according to Clapper, “we were just doing this to help and protect Trump!!”LOLLOLOLOL!) Manafort became their intense interest ONLY when Trump (encouraged by establishment figures to hire the “DELEGATE EXPERT”) did the stormtroopers begin to get concerned…..My southern woman b.s. meter is alarming!!!!

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  15. carshop says:

    In thinking about this whole spy thing it occurred to me that since Carter Page had acted as an informant for an investigation for CIA in the past, isn’t it possible he is a spy for the FBI/CIA against Trump? Maybe Meuller’s attacks on Page are a cover.

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  16. digleigh says:

    DELAYED AGAIN!(ALREADY 5-6 MONTHS LATE!!!) NUNES IMPLIES ITS SO LAWYERS HAVE TIME “TO WATER IT DOWN” MORE!!! JUST LIKE IN ROSENSTEIN’S TESTIMONY, “THE IG REPORT WILL COME OUT WHEN HOROWITZ GETS IT RIGHT!” WThECK?? GET THE DA– LAWYERS OUT OF OUR BUSINESS OF INVESTIGATIONS…….PLEASE!!!!

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  17. Dixie T says:

    Hmmmmm. It’s Monday morning, June 4th., 2018—-and still NO published IG Report!!!

    Now we learn that the Senate Committee’s “hearing” of Tuesday, June 5th has been postponed to June 11th. Does this mean the IG Report has also been “postponed”—-AGAIN? (The public has been hearing of the soon-be-be-released IG Report, since March of 2018. WHY the dragging of feet???)

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    • Dixie T says:

      UPDATE: Breitbart broke the story early this Monday morning of June 4th., that the Senate Committee’s June 4th. meeting about the released IG Report had been “postponed” to June 11th. It made many of us wonder if that meant the IG Report was also “postponed”—-YET AGAIN.

      NOW, that Breitbart story CAN NO LONGER BE FOUND on the cover page of their site!!!! WTH???

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    • marko says:

      who does Horowitz report to and who is delaying the report? This is why a SC is needed. 18 months to investigate is rediculous. SC could investigate this in 1/4 the time.

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  18. Brant says:

    Comments about lawyers watering down the IG report. Similar to the following? My enginneer brother sent family an email about latest in electric motors (he works on latest in lighting LEDs). In the article, there is a phrase about failure of the electic motor, “bearing damage at best, rapid spectacular unscheduled disassembly at worst.” I replied back to my brother about the lawyer speak. He wrote back that theirs for bright lights is, “non passive failure”

    Both are techno lawyer speak for, “Oh s**t!!! Run!!!!!!”

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  19. Kris says:

    There is a lot in this interview that concerns me as well it should. Near the end, Nunes states that the IG report being late coming out due to attorneys rifling through it and possibly “watering it down”??? I know that it was given to certain people to review but I wasn’t aware that it was attorney’s and I’m guessing these attorneys are hired by those who should be going to prison?

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    • Dixie T says:

      According to OIG, the normal procedure is to allow those who are interviewed in the IG Report to “dispute” things said about them, in the Report. These “disputations” will be ADDED to the IG Report, however the IG Report itself WILL NOT BE “CHANGED.”

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      • covfefe999 says:

        Thanks Dixie, that’s very good to know.

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      • Exactly right. It is the same process other releases as well. Even the Nunes report went through something similar.

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      • Kris says:

        I read all that but I would also assume that those being called out would also have their attorneys there to dispute what is said about them!!!??? No???

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      • blondegator says:

        That’s my understanding as well. It’s like a “Management Letter” in response to a Certified Independent Financial Audit”. The subject(s) can respond to the findings, but are unable to actually change the findings.

        I sincerely hope this is the correct interpretation, which I’ve read several times.

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    • jmclever says:

      Go back and read the footnotes to the IG report on Andrew McCabe and your fears will be relieved. Most likely the delay is because the IG’s team has to go back and add footnotes refuting the bogus disputes from the soon-to-be defendants’ lawyers!

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      • Kris says:

        I hope so but why would he Nunes say that? I know Q says mis-information is important but it is also very confusing as to what should be believed!

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  20. CollusionMyth says:

    IG reports or no IG reports, just the release of few documents with no redactions would be so enlightening and do wonders for our attitudes.

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  21. Mickturn says:

    CTH: “There’s a blue-zillion ‘spy infiltration theories‘ floating around the internet in various granular forms. A few are solid and possible, but most appear based on abject nonsense and twisted logic.”

    One thing IS SURE. They are all playing MAJOR CYA. They got caught in Treasonous acts and hopefully will all go to PRISON! All the double/tripple…speak is nothing but BS…’Tradecraft’, what a total CROCK! What they all do know is that Trump will get ‘Revenge’ for what they did and are doing. Those that set up the Big Ugly WILL get theirs, and we will all be cheering!

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  22. rudy1876 says:

    I’m ready at this point to just drop the whole thing. Both sides just stop, let everybody slide, and never mention it again. At the same time, turn off the internet for a week or 10. Problem solved. You’re welcome.

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    • covfefe999 says:

      When the going gets tough, the tough … shut down and hope everything just goes away?

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      • rudy1876 says:

        My real point was/is, too much posturing, too much chatter, too much face-time media exposure for politicians and people that think they’re famous or ought to be famous, too much division based on nonsense. too much “I know something you don’t know” taunting like 5 year olds from people with power, and too much weaponizing of anger used as fund raising to entrench the swamp further. This is supposed to be law at work here. I’m not very bright I admit, but nothing told to me by any media source has helped fix a thing. I vote my little ballot at election time praying my poor country and fellow citizens can just get through another cycle without the overton window further smashing the Constitution into the dirt. That’s my short answer. Just Do It already. I’m tired of dancing in my box. https://youtu.be/Zx1_6F-nCaw

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        • covfefe999 says:

          I know you didn’t think the war was won when Trump was elected. We all knew we were going to endure years of battle. The mess we’re in was decades in the making and the people who had control are not letting go easily. We must be patient and strong and help Trump and his allies however we can. We must also keep morale up.

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    • Mickturn says:

      WOW, that is Troll thinking if I ever saw it. Do you shine Obey’s shoes every morning?

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    • tonyE says:

      No, no… the Internet is good for us engineers. Just get rid of all politicians and lawyers. Make them use a Political Internet… 1/1000 the of the size, controlled by the EU…

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    • Cheesehead54016 says:

      That is crazy talk and results in Banana Republic…..

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  23. covfefe999 says:

    WaPo from two days ago: In the coming weeks, Horowitz is expected to release a nearly 500-page report criticizing the Justice Department and FBI for their handling of the Clinton email investigation, people familiar with the matter said. They, like others in this report, spoke on the condition of anonymity to speak frankly about matters they are not authorized to discuss publicly. Meanwhile, he has intensified his review of the Russia investigation, interviewing the FBI agent who once led the case and inviting him back for a second conversation, one of these people said.

    Earlier in that same article: Inspector General Michael E. Horowitz recently summoned an FBI agent important to the probe of Russian interference in the 2016 election for an interview. His investigators wanted to know how the bureau came to surveil a former Trump campaign adviser, and in particular, the chronology of events that led them to seek a secret court order to do so.

    If we are right (and I’m sure we are) that these schemes were corrupt, then they will be revealed. Just remember, Debbie Downers, we’re in the superior position. Trump is the President and the IG reports are not good for the traitors. And as soon as the Mueller witch hunt is either wrapped up or aborted, Trump will really take off.

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    • covfefe999 says:

      I was just imagining ol’ Hillary, who thought she was all through with the email thing back in late 2016 and now it’s looming over her again. 🙂 No wonder she’s falling all over the place, fires are her house … haha. This is her WORST nightmare. And Huma, her husband is in prison and Hillary lost the election. 🙂

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    • Perot Conservative says:

      Wait until Q2 GDP reports come out, 4.5% or more? Wow! *Magic Wand*

      covfefe999, do you yhink Huber will bring the goods? I’m concerned … oh well, we will see soon enough.

      I also hope to heaven’s we don’t have to wait 4 or 8 months for the next report… given all the origination work, investigation and documentation, I’m hoping it is fact checking and tying up loose ends for the next report or two. Four or five months a report could push this drama out three years!

      Do you think Horowitz has been investigating Mueller’s work from the beginning?

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  24. Billy J. says:

    Was Spygate (or at least the European components thereof) the result of Donald Trump’s outspoken support of Brexit??? It may have been something that I’ve missed, but I’ve never seen the two specifically tied together. I work for a company based out of the U.K. Back in early 2016, I vividly remember the egregious hatred for Donald Trump by about 50% of Brits and other EU partners that were opposed to Brexit.

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    • Mickturn says:

      The entire EU and all it stands for is nothing but a Leftist Cabal taking over all of Europe. Of course they hate Trump! Why else would the EU ‘force’ members to accept Islam Terrorists as ‘immigrants’?…to tear down the countries so they will be compliant. Brexit will spread, the EU thugs will all be hanged… Wait for it!

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      • roubaix says:

        EU thugs getting hanged? Reminds me of this great video with Godfrey Bloom.

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      • svenwg says:

        They are flooding Europe with low IQ people to lower the average IQ. Once this is achieved, there will be nothing to stop them controlling every single individual in the EU.

        George Orwell’s 1984 is in full swing and Oceania would be extremely jealous of the control that the modern Totalitarian system will have over the lives of their subjects.

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      • Perot Conservative says:

        I think they’re a different kind if stupid and arrogant. They think they can manage anf integrate people from a 13th to 17th century culture, bc they are smarter than we peons. Some may also feel guilty due to WWII.

        BTW, anyone catch Anthony Bordaine in Armenia last night? I saw part if it. Didn’t know they were Christian, did know about their genocide. Surrounded by Islam.

        Maybe Trump should acknowledge THAT!? That would puss off the EU!

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    • covfefe999 says:

      You could be right, that could be why the spy boyz in the UK were so anti-Trump. Did Christopher Steele ever make any public comments about Brexit? Did Halper? (I realize Halper is not British but he’s been living over there.)

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      • Billy J. says:

        Not just the spy boyz. May and the other EU leaders were all royally ticked off. I think that this was the nexus of U.K. / European involvement. Come hell or high water, they had to try to destroy Trump or see their dreams come crashing down.

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    • Tim Holden says:

      Brexit was decided by a 52-48 majority. The opinion polls had it the other way around. What was signified by that difference was that “don’t know” responses to pollsters contained a large group that favoured the Right. A similar phenomenon occurred in the American election some six months later. We should continue to put pollsters out of business.

      A further parallel occurred in the Brexit vote. The media was uniformly opposed. The sick faces on American TV in November were no funnier than those on British TV the morning after the Brexit referendum in June.

      My own experience of being in Britain during the course of the American election was that anyone worth talking to about politics liked Donald Trump, as long as they were over forty years old. Younger people had little interest and the people who watched the evening news for the chief purpose of catching the weather report hated Trump. Also, all my old college friends on Facebook hated Trump. They stopped liking me (or at least liking me as much) because I had been saying he would win when there were still 16 Republicans lined up against him. My wife slowly forgave me afterwards – she also is an old college friend.

      Britain has fallen far further than the United States. If Obama inflicted eight years of decline on the USA, Tony Blair and his ilk were in charge thirteen years, and that extra five years was ruinous. And David Cameron who followed was more Jeb! than President Trump. And the current British PM is no Maggie Thatcher, I am sad to categorically state.

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      • Billy J. says:

        For me, Brexit and the potential break-up of the EU answers the “WHY” to how it all got started across the pond. From there, connecting the breadcrumbs we keep getting makes sense.

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  25. dawg says:

    So Im picking up on something from Nunes that I hadn’t thought about before. When asked about Gowdy, he seems to imply that Gowdy is just pitching an idea based on what the DOJ has been officially saying, and that Gowdy “loves the FBI” and is just looking to exonerate them and more than willing to do so as soon as………..he sees the documents they’ve been asking for.

    Nunes pretty much dodges the question of what Maria is trying to get at.

    Considering that Gowdy did a 180, might the strategy be to send Gowdy out to hit all the talk shows, acting like he’s on their side, kinda play stupid a little bit, make the DOJ feel comfortable enough to release all the documents? A “keep you friends close, keep your enemies closer” kinda thing?

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    • covfefe999 says:

      I don’t think so. Gowdy gave the libs way too much material to detract from important work that Trump is doing. Nobody who is truly on our side would do that. We’re going to have to accept that certain people we hoped might be allies are not, they are self-serving.

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  26. bhruska123 says:

    Just remember, Trump knows everything. He’s not tweeting loudly and boldly to bring attention to a dud report. This is the first step. It will destroy the credibility of many of the conspirators.

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  27. Dr.Jay says:

    FBI has tried to distance themselves from DOJ (DOJ refuses warrants to search, refuses to prosecute, etc.) and FBI tried to distance themselves from CIA/IC.
    And the new DOJ/FBI people try to distance themselves from the old ones. And Gowdy seems to believe them.

    So what we are seeing here as well is FBI saying: “we didn’t do it, we played by the rules (DOJ and CIA didn’t), and anything bad was done by people who are now gone or who are demoted; we are handling this” and ” DOJ is the one who refused to prosecute, issue warrants “ etc.
    And the DOJ then saying: ” anything bad was done by people who are now gone or who are demoted; we are handling this” & ” we can decide, for whatever reason we like, whether or not to prosecute, issue warrants etc.”

    OK so far so good, so the FBI were a victim too ? But wait a minute! Why do they then not come clean and instead continue to hold back, deflect, hide evidence, refuse to answer, etc. Why not simply come clean right after the election or after the inauguration. Why the charade?
    Below some of what FBI can use (and probably has used in leaks) against the other two.

    And anyways people need to be prosecuted for criminal acts, as those have been done as well.
    Can’t just led this slide.

    [ DOJ & FBI ]
    1) DOJ/Lynch blocked Unarnium One investigation by gagging the FBI informant / U1 whistleblower (so much so that he couldn’t even talk to FBI or DOJ about it after inauguration of Trump, even under new management)

    2) DOJ blocked Clinton Foundation investigation by refusing to prosecute and denying anything that FBI investigators from multiple field offices needed to progress.

    3) DOJ blocked the investigation of the Clinton/Abbedin emails on Wiener’s laptop, arguing that another search warrant was needed. Another warrant on top of the one that the NYPD already had to search Wiener’s apartment & any electronic devices (as is standard because he is a known sex-offender). So DOJ argued that and then refused to give the FBI one ! (late(?) summer 2016).
    Comey/McCabe were not really pushing back (enough) on that (Comey acting as if he was unaware, yeah right), perhaps hoping to wait until after election. Then threats were made (by NYPD officers most likely) that full contents would be leaked (late Oct 2016) and FBI decided to review the emails found on laptop (very quick & dirty, probably sham ‘investigation’).
    That idiotic idea that they needed a second warrant to start investigating the emails on Wiener laptop sounds to me like it comes from Yates, who more often has such ‘original’ ideas.

    4) And the same of course for the HRC emails investigation (MYE). Lynch ‘ recused’ herself and then ordered Comey what to do & say (she in fact already had giving him his marching orders in early 2016, after which Comey started writing exoneration letter).

    [CIA & FBI]
    There were similar issues with CIA/IC, apparently they were pushing the FBI to open an CI investigation against Trump campaign. After a while the FBI did and Comey apparently wanted to keep it a secret.

    This explains how the FBI investigation was likely started:
    https://themarketswork.com/2018/05/22/did-john-brennan-leak-to-keep-the-fbi-counterintelligence-investigation-alive/
    ” I’ve previously made the argument that Brennan strong-armed Comey into opening the FBI’s Counterintelligence Investigation. From Brennan’s testimony:

    ” I was aware of intelligence and information about contacts between Russian officials and U.S. persons that raised concerns in my mind about whether or not those individuals were cooperating with the Russians, either in a witting or unwitting fashion, and it served as the basis for the FBI investigation to determine whether such collusion — cooperation occurred.

    I made sure that anything that was involving U.S. persons, including anything involving the individuals involved in the Trump campaign was shared with the bureau [FBI].

    We, the CIA and the intelligence community had collected a fair amount of information in the summer of 2016 about what the Russians were doing on multiple fronts. And we wanted to make sure that the FBI had full access to that.”

    Repeated transfers of unofficial foreign intelligence from the CIA Director pushed the FBI towards the establishment of a formal Counterintelligence Investigation.

    And with public acknowledgment of the FBI’s Counterintelligence Investigation, Trump would remain under a cloud of suspicion heading into the election.”

    Remember that the ‘fact’ that there was a ‘FBI Informant’ (Halper) was leaked by one of the 3-letter agencies which did naughty things. So it will be partially untrue and intended to mislead.

    Mislead in what way? Well (#1): Halper is a CIA asset, agent or operative, not FBI. Of course he may have later have become an FBI informant (as well).
    And (#2) the issue with that is that this investigation started July 31st, 2016 and Halper had one of his students invite Carter Page to a symposium in Cambridge several weeks before that date (where Halper met Carter Page, also several weeks before the 31st).
    So at most Halper became an FBI ‘informant’ after July 31st, he can not (legally) have been and FBi ‘informant’ before that date, yet we know for sure he was operating against members of the Trump campaign before that date.

    If all actions before July 31st were done by CIA/IC and foreign intelligence then FBI can claim (to some extent) that their hands are clean (in that respect, doesn’t clear them from FISA abuse) … and something along these lines will have been said by (new) DOJ/FBI people in that meeting with Gowdy (&Nunes).

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  28. Rock Knutne says:

    I’m not sure what the protocol is for pasting an entire thread here. I’m fine with Sundance taking it down or editing it though.

    It’s a great thread by StealthJeff – @drawandstrike.

    Thanks Jeff.

    Enjoy.

    Remember What You Know

    Some key points to remember as we wait for the OIG DOJ report to drop about the DOJ’s Hillary Clinton Email investigation:

    Sessions ONLY recused himself from the Russia related investigation.
    Rod Rosenstein is not ‘running the entire DOJ’ no matter how many TV talking heads claim this to you.

    RR is in charge of RUSSIA RELATED INVESTIGATIONS ONLY.

    And thanks to Democrats strident insistence, the Hillary Clinton email investigation is NOT RUSSIA RELATED.
    The Hillary Clinton Email investigation is centered on ‘When the FBI looked into Clinton exposing classified intelligence by having an illegal homebrew server, did they follow proper DOJ procedures and protocol?’
    Although claims are advanced that illegal homebrew server was ‘hacked by the Russians’ and the Russians were going around shopping the 33,000 emails she deleted off of that server [even though they were under subpoena] there has never been any EVIDENCE that actually happened.
    And DOJ Inspector General Michael Horowitz’s review is limited to what THE FBI’S & DOJ’S OWN PERSONNEL DID in handling this email investigation.

    Let’s just go over SOME of the irregularities we know about thus far:

    1. Clinton’s interview with the FBI
    Not only was this interview not recorded, as usual there’s no indication Hillary was put under oath. A key aide who was a MATERIAL WITNESS in this email investigation was ALLOWED BY THE FBI to sit in on this interview as Clinton’s lawyer.
    CHERYL MILLS, a top HRC aide, who was with her at the St. Dept, and who was interviewed about this matter, lied when said she did not know HRC was using a private server outside the gov’t security/encryption system.
    So the decision to let Mills sit in on Clinton’s interview as her lawyer is a direct violation of protocol. The conflict of interest is so blatant it’s still stunning this was allowed.
    2. President Barack Obama was not only AWARE Hillary Clinton was using an illegal private server & storing classified info on it, he HIMSELF *exchanged emails with her* at that private address.
    Realizing how an honest investigation was going to expose Obama’s knowledge & participation in breaking the law, Peter Strzok related in a text message how his boss Bill Priestap changed a passage in Comey’s letter from ‘the President’ to ‘a high ranking gov’t official’.
    3. The Clinton/Lynch tarmac meeting.

    I’m going out on a limb here and positing it’s NOT usual FBI procedure or protocol for the then-Attorney General to be having a hush-hush private meeting the husband of a Presidential candidate her department is investigating.
    Remember, NOBODY was supposed to know this meeting took place. It only leaked because a member of the local security detail alerted a local reporter.

    Once the news was out, Lynch proffered the comical explanation the meeting was ‘accidental’ & they discussed grandkids.
    Subsequent documents released related to this matter a few months back revealed FBI agents & DOJ people furiously trying to find out who leaked the meeting so they could f**k up the whistle blower.
    Everywhere you look in this email investigation preferential treatment is found.

    4. Comey writes a letter exonerating Hillary even before she was interviewed.
    FBI investigations aren’t supposed to have predetermined outcomes. I’m pretty sure that’s not in the FBI rulebook.
    5. The Weiner/Abedin Laptop

    After the DOJ/FBI worked so hard to let Clinton skate & close the investigation, NY LEO’s caught Anthony Weiner sexting a 15 year old girl via a laptop that he shared with his wife, Hillary’s top aide, Huma Abedin.
    When NYPD examines the laptop as part of their sex crimes investigation, they stumble over THOUSANDS of supposedly missing HRC emails stored on the laptop.
    Remember this all went down: Clinton & her people didn’t DISCLOSE the existence of the private homebrew server & the fact she was hiding hundreds of thousands of emails from the gov’t system & oversight.

    They were CAUGHT when Trey Gowdy’s Benghazi committee found it.
    After the existence of the private server was revealed, this actually happened: Hillary and her aides were ALLOWED to go through the server & pick and choose THEMSELVES which emails/documents were gov’t work related and which were not.

    THEY got to pick what was handed over.
    After Hillary and her aides handed over the emails THEY picked out, the rest were destroyed, erased from the server & then Hillary had BleachBit used and 13 EC devices were destroyed with a hammer.
    I’m pretty sure there’s something in the DOJ/FBI rules & protocols concerning the PRESERVATION OF MATERIAL EVIDENCE, and golly gee whiz, this looks like destruction of material evidence to me, but hey I’m not an FBI agent so what do I know? 🤔
    So getting back to Weiner’s laptop and the NYPD staring in stunned amazement at what they found on it.

    See, Huma had a ‘back door’ insurance policy. She was collecting hundreds of thousands of emails detailing EVERYTHING they were doing for years.
    No, Hillary DIDN’T hand over all work related emails once she got caught & the existence of the homebrew server was revealed. SURPRISE! She lied!
    I’m pretty sure that collection of emails on Huma/Weiner’s laptop was a ‘Greatest Hits’ Collection.

    It’s all there. The pay for play, the hiding the ball on Benghazi, the use of the Clinton Foundation as a huge bribery slush fund, etc.
    And among those emails, I suspect the NYPD found emails DETAILING A PLOT to launch a political dirty trick against the other Presidential campaign. They’d launch the smear Trump was owned by the Russians, then use their St. Dept/Intel/Media assets to push it.
    The NYPD handed the laptop over to the FBI.

    And then watched the FBI sit on it and not breathe a word about it.

    For weeks.

    As the election drew nearer.
    See, here’s what subsequent document releases revealed: Andrew McCabe was SITTING on the laptop, not telling anybody about it. Well that’s the official version.

    There are two scenarios here:

    a) Comey knew, but told McCabe ‘give me deniability: DON’T TELL ME OFFICIALLY’
    b) Comey actually was in the dark all along about the laptop because McCabe was hiding it from him.

    Whichever THEORY is correct, the result was the same. The FBI was sitting on the laptop & taking no action on it as the election got closer and closer.
    It took some pointed public comments from Rudy Guilani and Erik Prince about the NYPD *threatening to go public itself if the FBI didn’t act* for Comey to suddenly reverse himself & announce due to ‘new evidence’ he was reopening the Clinton email investigation.
    There is no way the decision to silently sit on that laptop and wait for the election to be over was not overtly politicized.
    Of course the Democrats & the HRC campaign were FURIOUS at Comey & insisted the decision to reopen the email investigation was POLITICALLY CALCULATED TO CAUSE HILLARY TO LOSE THE ELECTION.

    They DEMANDED an investigation by the DOJ’s Inspector General.

    They got it.
    And so here we are, over a year and 5 months later after Horowitz announced the beginning of his review of the FBI’s handling of the HRC Email investigation, waiting for his final report to drop.

    Democrats are going to wish they’d NEVER demanded this.
    Oh there was blatant politicization of JUST ABOUT EVERY SINGLE ONE of the FBI’s decisions in this HRC email case, but the *evidence* shows those decisions weren’t politically motivated to HURT Clinton but instead to HELP her.
    We have security & classification protocols & rules in our gov’t for a reason.
    People have been tossed ass-first into prison cells for exposing classified information in a manner of a far lesser magnitude than Hillary & her cronies did in this case.
    The DOJ/FBI people involved in running this thought Hillary was going to win, and they bent over backwards to make sure she skated away from the blatant crimes she committed.

    Horowitz’s report is going to HAMMER them for this.
    At the end of this, Horowitz is going to make his recommendations to Sessions and Rosenstein.

    He will make

    1) criminal referrals for indictments
    2) proposals to change policy & procedures to ensure this never happens again.
    Sessions is running the DOJ, not Rosenstein. Rosenstein is in charge of only those investigations where Sessions has recused himself.

    A lot of people are telling you endlessly that Rosenstein is dirty, a rat, a traitor, etc.
    Ever notice I’m *not* one of those people?

    Because to believe that, you have to believe that for some strange reason, Sessions & Trump won’t fire some guy they KNOW is a dirty rat.

    Look at Trump. You think he’d be SCARED to fire RR if he knew RR was dirty?
    Trump LOVES chaos. He THRIVES on controversy.

    In what POSSIBLE scenario are both Trump & Sessions deluded/tricked/hypnotized into not firing RR if they know he’s dirty as mud covered rat?
    RR has had the toughest, most thankless job in the gov’t the last year and a half. He has to protect investigations building criminal cases against some of the most POWERFUL people in the US, & shield his boss Sessions from any appearance of conflict of interest at the SAME TIME.
    Trump and Sessions play this game where Trump talks about how UNHAPPY he is he can’t get the DOJ to do anything he wants! Those guys are too independent! He has no idea what they are doing over there! They never listen to him! Disgraceful!

    😉😉😉😉😉😉😉😉
    Watch how he STEPS THIS UP once the OIG reports drop, both the HRC email report and the Trump/Russia Spying report. And plenty of people get indicted & the DNC Media FREAKS OUT.

    Sessions being his attack dog? RR taking marching orders from Trump?

    NOT TO HEAR TRUMP TELL IT.
    Surface skaters will never figure out what’s going on.

    That’s OK.

    That’s what I’m here for.

    /end

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  29. CA M says:

    Nunes looks tired. I think we see in him is what we are all feeling right now–exhaustion from the battle and the long wait for justice. Did you catch the part where he says that his committee is the only one who can hold them accountable? That is frightening on the one hand–because if ((something)) happens to him (and these deep state rats are known for it), who will continue the battle? But is is also reassuring on the other hand because he fully understands how important it is to keep digging.

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    • Perot Conservative says:

      His opposition has taken out 3 large billboards similar to the recent Hollywood movie. He is getting bashed for being in DC, and for his supporting Trump.

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  30. Phil Garber says:

    I believe that the Mueller investigation is going to be thoroughly pantsed by the revelations coming through the IG reports and the Huber indictments. It will be dead politically even if it is still alive legally. At that point its very existence will be a visible reminder to all of deep state corruption and it will be worth a hundred Republican ads in the midterms.

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  31. In the coming months we will discover that Snowden only whistled the tip of the iceberg! Obama was turning America into a police state.

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  32. Rachelle says:

    Seems like the DOJ and FBI leadership has been recruited from East Germany’s notorious Stasi. Based only what we now know of their conduct, when are people going to remember Chief Justice Roberts and ask what, if anything, they had on him to cause him to produce his bizarre decision and opinion in the Obamacare case?

    What did the American Stasi find in your closet Justice Roberts?

    Does anybody think Obama and his thugs wouldn’t use something if they had it?

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  33. Summer says:

    As Nunes noted, the IG report is getting watered down by the Deep State shysters as we speak.

    The heavily redacted report will criticize “policies and procedures” that were not followed properly, and how leaking and inproper disclosures of the FBI investigation into Clinton emails undermined poor Mrs. Clinton’s chances to satisfy her lifelong ambitions. No one is going to jail, don’t kid yourself. The end.

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    • DanO64 says:

      Well How Nice.

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    • Concerned says:

      Does the DOJ and FBI die with the OIG report due out this week? A great many US citizens believe, that the DOJ and FBI leadership are guilty of felonies. Should we be asking, if any of the current or previous government employees can be trusted?

      How is it possible that the current President has been investigated and spied upon longer than he has been in office without anyone going to jail?

      How is it possible for a Special Prosecutor to be created based on false FISA statements?

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      • Perot Conservative says:

        And 28 FBI agents are fearful of coming forward bc they know their careers will end, and they will be buried with legal expenses.

        Only 2% of whistleblowers are protected and / or receive victim compensation?

        DC said there are still tons of improper behavior at FBI.

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  34. Zippy says:

    Only those without a highly detailed knowledge of this complex scandal (i.e. the VAST majority) will ask Shapiro’s questions or support Gowdy’s position. It’s a shame there are so many obviously ignorant people at high levels whose comments on this topic are taken seriously:

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    • Ignorant? Or controlled opposition?

      One of the pros of this investigation dragging out is that it is likely to continue to expose the pretenders. Those connected to CoC must be really getting antsy with mid-terms coming up. They are desperate and will openly show their true Swamp colors.

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  35. Zippy says:

    Excellent:

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  36. listingstarboard says:

    FBI and other alpahbets have been spying eavesdropping and blackmaiing since J Edgar Hoover. Its how they keep people in line.

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  37. Hampshire says:

    SD–“The Inspector General report on the FBI and DOJ action in the Clinton investigation is due out this week. In my humble opinion it is best to wait and see what discoveries are within the fact-centric report….”

    But Nunes expressed his serious concern in the interview that the OIG Report is being watered down during this pre-release review process. If so, how will the public ever know for sure what has been altered or removed at the request of the FBI and DOJ officials for alleged “classified” reasons of alleged inaccuracies.

    At worst, the OIG report version that is eventually released to the public could be a highly altered version so the truth will still be elusive after all this hype and expectation. The best option is that there are no alterations to the released report but given the way the FBI and DOJ have consistently prevented the pleading, begging and impeachment threatening Congressional overseers from seeing all the documents etc for over a year so who is 100% confident of that. The investigated agencies will do everything they can to clamp a lid on as much as possible. Huber and others at the DOJ will see the original report but is that an iron clad guarantee that all (including that which is not known to the public) will be properly investigated? This could be investigatory history repeating itself in a slightly different form but I hope not.

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  38. noswamp says:

    oldman g,
    Not easy options for Trump. Spineless most in Congress are. They are paid off by lobbyists corporations and countries working with the AmCham. He might have to just save the Republic and invoke emergency powers, ala Lincoln. The war for America is on, the amount of “Benedict Arnolds” working for the Deep State across agencies are more than a legion.
    Maybe he will hold off until after the midterms, or maybe the Deep State may do something that would force Trump to act to protect the country, either way, Trump may decide that declassifying the docs are the answer. I think it might work!

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  39. noswamp says:

    “Trump may decide that declassifying the docs is the answer”. Grammar. But they would accuse him of obstruction. I see that happening to a lesser degree if he declassifies the DOJ documents. But out of all the choices he has, I see the downside to this action as the least.

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  40. Truthfilter says:

    I didn’t have a problem with this interview. Nunes still maintains that he hasn’t gotten the documents so he doesn’t know what those documents say. He seemed as frustrated as we are that he had no new information. I think a lot f us expected him to speak against or at least present a public contrast to what Gowdy has said about the FBI. I trust Nunes as much as I trust PDJT. That’s a lot. There’s a good reason he isn’t countering TG’s position. Unless I missed it, President Trump hasn’t countered it either.

    What if Gowdy isnt acting on behalf of Deep State. What if he’s trying to position himself as a neutral potential AG or DAG should President Trump fire Sessions or should Rosenstien have to step down? (This was suggested by a caller to Rush last week.)
    I’ve thought about it. He has already collected millions from his globalist donors. He’s leaving Congress because he says he wants to go back into the justice system. Why isn’t that believable on its face? Isn’t it possible that a once idealistic political leader would grow to hate the Swamp and his role in it? I would.

    And what could the Deep State have to blackmail him with that would even matter? Even IF Rooster head had an affair with a porn star, few would care even if they believed it. I don’t subscribe to the belief that ALL of our politicians are blackmailed. Most are just typical politicians who have behaved accordingly while a complacent and uninformed populace wasn’t looking. For decades.

    Human beings can make dirty deals and mistakes without selling their souls. It’s possible and maybe even likely that Trey Gowdy is positioning himself to do something productive and meaningful for a change. His power in those congressional investigations of HRC was limited before he even started. Without a cooperating DOJ, he couldn’t really do a darn thing. Maybe he wanted to. Maybe he still does. Maybe the game he’s playing could work in our favor. I’m just not convinced that he is a bad actor. He could redeem himself. Maybe he wants to. I would.

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  41. noswamp says:

    Sorry for the pessimistic post. The corruption is way more than even I thought. Maybe I should not put too much evidence in the IG Report. Talk is cheap.

    If Huber and Sessions as it turns out, just “go through the motions”, indict a low level official and not McCabe or anyone higher, then I feel we would have pretty much lost the country. I am not going to be happy. Despite me being told to ‘look at the bright side”. Look how loud Trey Gowdy is singing his new song, for example. And look at how Sessions and Rosey are busy protecting evidence that Congress wants. (Bongino claiming that they need to keep the docs classified for a felony leaking charge notwithstanding).

    I don’t trust Huber, I don’t trust Wray and I really don’t trust Sessions.

    But I trust our POTUS. He and Nunes and a handful of “untouchables” are all we have to save the country. How ironic: The “Untouchables” used to be the FBI.

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    • Perot Conservative says:

      Potential 28 FBI whistleblowers say they don’t see adequate change coming from the DOJ or Executive Branch.

      They have asked to be subpoenaed!

      HOW ABOUT THESE 2 SIMPLE STEPS:

      1. Subpoena all 28 FBI agents.
      2. Release all 4 FUSA applications, unredacted!

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  42. noswamp says:

    My instincts were correct. Hannity reporting tonight that DOJ officials are begging Horowitz to change the report. (Segment with Sara Carter). You think that Trey Gowdy’s flip was not timed with this silent offense from DOJ to IG. While Sessions is MIA? Unbelievable!

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    • Kris says:

      Well, I guess will just have to wait and see now what kind of ethical man Horowitz is? This was also my fear that this whole report will end up being a big bust just like July 5, 2016!! We were shocked and outraged then, now will be just like, figures, we knew it was too good to be true.

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