Predictable Friday Leak: U.S. and North Korea Have Been Talking Via Back-channels For Months…

It must be weird for the ordinary person around the world to view U.S. politics through the prism of the American MSM lügenpresse.  We’re often left wondering if international observers realize how much deception and fraud exists in media broadcasts of President Trump.

However, that said, a few days ago CTH predicted via twitter that Friday would bring a “breaking news” revelation that President Trump’s administration had been in ongoing negotiations with North Korea.  Today, exactly that happened.

(Via ABC) Despite the bombastic rhetoric exchanged between North Korean and American leaders this week, the Trump administration has been quietly engaged in back-channel diplomacy with North Korea for several months, according to a source familiar with the negotiations.

The ongoing talks, which were first reported by The Associated Press, included discussions about U.S.-North Korean relations and Americans imprisoned in North Korea, the source said.

The case of American student Otto Warmbier, who died following his release from North Korea, was included in those talks.

The U.S. State Department did not comment on the AP report.

Despite White House condemnations after Warmbier’s death, those contacts have continued and include discussions about the remaining Americans held there, the source said.

According to the source, the talks are being held between Ambassador Joseph Yun, the U.S. special representative for North Korea policy, and Pak Song Il, a senior North Korean diplomat at the country’s U.N. mission, using what’s known as the “New York channel,” which has been an avenue of communication between the U.S. and North Korea throughout the years.

The talks ramped up after President Donald Trump’s inauguration, according to the source familiar with the negotiations, with the U.S. side aiming to secure the release of Warmbier and the other Americans held in North Korea.  (read more)

These back-channel discussions were/are entirely predictable because negotiation is the forté of President Trump’s entire life’s repertoire.  It’s just how he rolls.  Negotiation is what gets Donald Trump’s autonomic disposition engaged.

However, that said, understanding the conversation has been going on for a lengthy period of time should also solidify to everyone the public words -and strategic approach- toward China, via North Korea, is exactly what CTH has always held it to be; which is to say, part of a long-term economic strategy.

A great deal of President Trump’s negotiation tactics are for public consumption. They are positioned to help us understand who the domestic and international adversaries really are, expose them, and help us understand who and what we’re really dealing with.  If we  tune out the chaff and countermeasures from the lügenpresse the real challenge clarifies.

Yes, it’s all about the economics.

It might become annoying to read it so often repeated but there are trillions of dollars at stake.  Control of those trillions is the multinational battle-space and the true epicenter of the ongoing struggle amid geopolitical events.

Yes, North Korea is the visible surface issue, but China is the real adversary in this economic equation.

Every action taken by President Trump reflects his complete and comprehensive understanding of this geopolitical dynamic.

The media missed it, but President Trump moved the entire geopolitical world via a strategic energy platform.  From OPEC to the EU and Baltic States; to North African energy development via President Macron; to walking away from the Paris Climate agreement; to the U.S. own internal energy production policy with pipelines, Oil, Coal and Liquified Natural Gas (LNG) etc.; the bigger part of the ‘big-missed-picture‘ was how that impacted adversaries like Russia and simultaneously supported the larger America-First economic and geopolitical space.

President Trump thinks seriously long-term, and really BIG picture.

President Trump thinks so far out in front of his detractors they genuinely cannot fathom the consequential, and sequential, logic behind the day-to-day granular action. In large part this is what makes President Trump so enjoyable to watch politically.  Just like the American media, our international adversaries and competitors have no reference point for a U.S. President that is entirely independent from influence.

It’s really cool when you seek-to-understand and then actually accept what is behind the results.   For an entire generation (or beyond) we have never actually seen a U.S. President who didn’t have some self-interested motivation behind what he was doing.

For President Trump the U.S. win is the actual reward.  He’s not looking for anything other than those wins for America.

When you really accept this truism, and you engage in what dynamics are in play to achieve this reality, it is also understandable why President Trump can often be frustrated by opinions cast through the prism of prior politicians, and their motives in office.

However, CTH is not sycophantic about the political landscape.  Heck, we brush our teeth with healthy cynicism in the morning. There might be issues or some action that President Trump achieves that we might not agree with.  But when you begin from the perspective that we genuinely have a President doing what he views as a decades-long-developed plan to put America first, well, it becomes pretty difficult to be critical of the small stuff.

MAGA, is actually lots of good stuff.

Believe it.

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97 Responses to Predictable Friday Leak: U.S. and North Korea Have Been Talking Via Back-channels For Months…

  1. ElGato says:

    Welcome to Sundance University. Class, be seated.

    Liked by 45 people

  2. justme928 says:

    I just read on Twitter that President Trump has some big news he is going to spill on Monday.

    Liked by 11 people

  3. MK Wood says:

    On target as you often are. Kudos

    Liked by 3 people

  4. alliwantissometruth says:

    He never ceases to amaze me. He’s running circles around everyone

    “For President Trump the U.S. win is the actual reward. He’s not looking for anything other than those wins for America”

    And there lies the beauty of a President Trump. His reward is our reward. His entire focus is America & Americans first. He wants what we want, with absolutely nothing in between

    There’s no other agenda. He’s accomplished everything in life he wanted to accomplish, so now he turns his talents to paying back America by helping her reach the heights of prosperity & respect we were known for in the past

    It’s simply a man who loves America & her people, & understands how it & we have been used & abused, & MAGA is his swan song

    It’s truly a beautiful thing

    Liked by 26 people

    • Minnie says:

      We are blessed.

      He consistently speaks to us:

      WE – US – OURS

      COVFEFE 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

      Liked by 7 people

    • Yes alliwantissometruth it is a beautiful thing.

      Pres Trump does play the long game as sundance says.

      Most of us who have kids and grand children have tried to do this on a much smaller and less complicated scale.

      Every day average people have to plan out their lives and think about the future for their families.

      So a lot of us can see a little bit about what Pres Trump is doing.

      But he does it on such a massive scale I am amazed and impressed every single day.

      Liked by 3 people

    • Plain Jane says:

      He has a servant’s heart. Stories of him helping people in need have been out there for a long time. He’s people.

      Liked by 4 people

  5. filia.aurea says:

    The President’s been lumbered with 30 years’ of geopolitical fumbles. It’s exhausting just watching him work. I need a real vacation already.

    Liked by 9 people

    • MaineCoon says:

      Can you imagine taking a week of from all things Trump?

      No rest for the weary!

      Liked by 1 person

      • filia.aurea says:

        I won’t rest until the Muslim Brotherhood is banned from the United States, because they are a greater threat than any external power, ask the 80 million Egyptians about M.B. No rest for the weary, not until the Clinton Crime Cartel (which includes the billionaire technocrats, Alphabet agencies, Senate Oil Club, Generals, former A.G.’s, RINOs and Democrat leaders, scumbags like Soros and media moguls that spew propaganda 24×7 and the Rat Bastard a.k.a. Barry Hussein Obama. That’s going to take a while, but all things are possible when we unite with our POTUS. Besides, failure is not an option.


  6. appadoo9 says:

    On the one hand President’s critics claim he is all bluff and bluster, threatening war. But they then want to down play his talks between the parties as ‘of course he should be doing that’, as if it was all their idea.

    Liked by 5 people

  7. Snow White says:

    Thank you Lord Jesus for President Trump. Can’t imagine anyone manning this huge ship of US of A through the turbulent waters we’re finding ourselves in. Bless him, keep him strong, give him wisdom and may all the enemies be scattered and exposed by Your mighty hand. Amen.

    Liked by 30 people

  8. quintrillion says:

    Everything you said, Sundance. Everyday over the top amazing, educational, enlightening, energizing, entertaining and winning! Every person in his cabinet were delegated to tasks and are coming in ahead of schedule and on target. Very professional and dedicated to MAGA.

    Liked by 13 people

    • Yes, but: I am more concerned day by day that AG Sessions is derelict in his duties. I can’t believe that any big investigations involving the Clinton Cartel are underway — details would have been leaked by now. I doubt that Sessions is incompetent. I can’t figure out why he has not appointed a special counsel to investigate all the evidence of criminality on the other side. This is extremely disheartening.


  9. magagirl says:

    Learning politics with you SD has been so much fun. Thank you for marking the way along the paths of the swamp.
    President Trump is so smart, amazing what he has accomplished. Would love to be a fly on the wall at times 😉

    Liked by 9 people

  10. appadoo9 says:

    The ARM wrestling starts in negotiations, not bombs bursting in air

    Liked by 3 people

  11. cbjoasurf says:

    With the HUGE trade imbalance between China and the U.S. President Trump could bring Pig Panda to their knees virtually overnight and it’s beyond me why he has not yet started twisting their economic arm. Also, implementing a “balanced” trade between China and the U.S. would literally force our manufacturing into an absolute boom. IMHO trade policy at dollar for dollar which would force China to become a consume more U.S. goods and put the U.S. on economic diet for consumers until our manufacturing ramps up.

    Just my take.

    Liked by 2 people

    • rsanchez1990 says:

      We need to rebuild a good manufacturing base to start from first before we wean ourselves off cheap Chinese imports. The manufacturing boom will come either way, but it’s preferable for the transition to not be more painful than it needs to be.

      Liked by 4 people

      • Juzjon says:

        So funny, it’s like all the particle board furniture that now floods the markets (i.e. Ikea) made in China that you have to assemble yourself. Bring back the Carolina furniture companies so that we can once again have real quality wood furnishings….”made in America”

        Liked by 9 people

    • Donna in Oregon says:

      To make changes in trade with China requires that systems be in place to enforce the volume of Chinese products.

      Perhaps President Trump has given American companies like Apple time to get it together.

      Liked by 1 person

    • Ogre says:

      PTrump can, at any time, put the Big Panda into the economic “Wuxi Finger hold”…with ease. So…even if Big Panda tries to go Big Red Dragon, Trump’s “Skidoosh” will wipe the floor with China’s economy.

      Never mistake the patience of a thinking man for weakness….

      Liked by 2 people

  12. appadoo9 says:

    Should be interesting, in This phase of talks, whether another missile is loosed. Doubt it

    Liked by 3 people

  13. rsanchez1990 says:

    So the media has been trying all week to paint President Trump as unhinged for using strong language against Kim Jong-Un and not negotiating like he promised he would, and now they want to sacrifice that narrative for what? To make President Trump look not tough?

    Those media fools, they’ll only end up making President Trump look like both a tough leader AND a measured statesman.

    Liked by 10 people

    • rsanchez1990 says:

      And I should add, tough leader and measured statesman which is EXACTLY what President Trump is. The media might actually, albeit accidentally, be honest for once.

      Liked by 1 person

      • Minnie says:

        The malevolent slime media is running in circles chasing their tails.



        Liked by 5 people

        • flova says:

          Yep. It’s Alice in Wonderland. Where the press creatures live in a whole different country than where we live.Trump has them running like crazy but they never get anywhere. LOL.

          “Well, in our country,” said Alice, still panting a little, “you’d generally get to somewhere else—if you run very fast for a long time, as we’ve been doing.”

          “A slow sort of country!” said the Queen. “Now, here, you see, it takes all the running you can do, to keep in the same place.”

          Liked by 6 people

  14. appadoo9 says:

    Yes, let’s coordinate the weekend narrative as Trump th Paper Tiger! (Yes, the media, not us)

    Liked by 2 people

  15. helix35 says:

    “But when you begin from the perspective that we genuinely have a President doing what he views as a decades-long-developed plan to put America first, well, it becomes pretty difficult to be critical of the small stuff.” And that’s why DJT ALWAYS gets the benefit of the doubt with me. I’m pretty damn sure he has my back.

    Liked by 7 people

  16. Delilah says:

    I’m just amazed that this great man would take on all of our problems like he has. That’s the most amazing thing.

    Liked by 7 people

  17. Minnie says:

    Well done, Sundance.

    And that’s exactly why I visit here daily, often more 👍

    Liked by 4 people

  18. tommy lile says:

    Whoever believes in Him (Christ) ….is NOT condemned…….but whoever does NOT believe….is Condemned Already……..because he has NOT believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God………John 3: 18

    Liked by 11 people

  19. Tonawanda says:

    Sundance is utterly insightful.

    It is an embarrassment to praise Sundance so, but it is the truth.

    Liked by 8 people

      • jeans2nd says:

        wolf – o/t, but could not find the thread where last we spoke – here are some weeds, should you be so inclined –
        Exclusive Here’s the Memo That Blew Up the NSC

        Fired NSC Staffer’s Memo Outlined Vast Coup Attempt Against US Government
        (feel free to delete, is def o/t)

        Liked by 2 people

        • wolfmoon1776 says:

          Thanks! I read FP’s version of the memo story, which I thought was interesting because they talked to a lot of people, all of whom took it seriously.

          Now I do want to read the second, but before I do, I just want to say this. As a fellow opponent of cultural Marxism (CM), totally on board with Rich Higgins, Andrew Breitbart, Lee Stranahan, and many others, I take Rich’s words very seriously. HOWEVER – I think it’s always important to differentiate between “normal” leftist subversion and an “actual” coup. It’s always a continuum, and I find that – while it’s fun to rant and declare the sky is falling for Twitter effect (so much fun), I have to say – when being totally serious – there is a difference between normal Democrat / Marxist governmental sabotage and a coup.

          SO – when I see that title, you know exactly where I’m coming from. Yes, what Rich says is true. Yes, we are up against a bunch of horrible people doing horrible things. But I’m not calling an actual “coup” until they pull a bunch of cr&p that is so pernicious that I start counting rounds. A plot of political subterfuge and reversal is not a coup – it’s the horrible people we’re up against doing the same horrible things they always do.

          LOL. Democrats! 😉

          I’m very glad Trump read the memo. Let’s just put it that way. I hope that people like Rich keep advising him.

          Liked by 3 people

        • wolfmoon1776 says:

          More thoughts, after reading the 2nd link (which is just the first, plus a handy download of the actual document) –

          I think it’s good that McMaster fired him. Higgins needs to be influencing the President at a reading, study, theoretical, political level. That is inappropriate in the NSC. But if Trump put him on his political advisory short list, that would be awesome. He was with the campaign before. Surely there is some place for him other than the NSC.

          It’s important not to mix this stuff up. The problem with Obama is that EVERYTHING HE DID WAS POLITICAL. So he had an entourage of cronies and hacks scumming up the NSC. Susan Rice – YUCK. A Marxist mouthpiece betraying the nation, dissembling, lying, and all the stuff that needs to be gotten the heck out of there. Love that Bannon, upon leaving, basically said “Mission complete – we got the btch.”

          Now – If Trump’s feels that McMaster hasn’t removed all of OBAMA’S political influence from the NSC, then maybe there need to be more firings of the “Ben Rhodes people” who are still there. If it’s fair to depoliticize Bannon and Higgins, then maybe we need evidence the job is complete. 😉

          Final word – Trump knows how to balance competing interests, worldviews, and underlings. This is not a problem. Higgins thinks McMaster is part of the problem? McMaster thinks Higgins is a problem? GOOD! Trump is seeing the big picture.

          Liked by 2 people

      • Juzjon says:

        ^^^^^^ times 2,000

        Liked by 2 people

    • MaineCoon says:

      I think it’s very kind of him to hang around and not leave any of his students behind.

      Really, I like that he reiterates the basic premises so we (finally) understand it. I’m no longer in kindergarten for which I can thank Sundance.

      Liked by 4 people

  20. scott467 says:

    “The U.S. State Department did not comment on the AP report.”



    That’s short for Agit-Prop, right?

    Liked by 3 people

  21. Oldschool says:

    Sundance, It is far from annoying to have your economic analysis repeated in your posts. It is tremendously helpful and I am grateful that you do so. Thank you.

    Liked by 6 people

  22. graphiclucidity says:

    Pulling out of the Paris Climate Agreement was another part of the energy strategy, I believe.

    The Chinese and Russians had to have gotten a huge hint about what the president was up to when that decision was made.

    Low energy prices are good for the entire world… unless your country’s biggest exports are oil & gas – Saudi Arabia & the Gulf, Iran, Russia, Venezuela we’re looking at you, and apologies to Norway & Nigeria (unavoidable collateral damage).

    Liked by 2 people

  23. Charles says:

    Sundance; so who do think leaked the back channel negotiations? white hat or black hat?

    Liked by 1 person

  24. Oldschool says:
    August 11, 2017 at 9:41 pm

    “Sundance, It is far from annoying to have your economic analysis repeated in your posts. It is tremendously helpful and I am grateful that you do so. Thank you.”

    Sundance. I agree with this. There are many websites which often apologize for reposts. I guess if you write this stuff, it may get very boring.

    But the fact is, very few, if any, read ALL the articles ALL the time. People have lives and other things to get on with. Many people have not read what you have written thousands of times.

    I like what Sundance does. He makes a well thought out, well written, and clear statement on policy fundamentals, and then posts it regularly to explain what is going on. It is quite effective. It shows that this statement has been thought out, and encapsulates everything that is going on. Otherwise, the alternative can be to explain the same thing, hundreds of different ways. That can be confusing and time consuming.

    This is especially true of very complex issues.

    Actually, the issues themselves are not complicated. What is complicated, is unearthing the truth within the backdrop of the US press, MSM, the uniparty and establishment elites, all confusing everyone with their lies and deceit.

    Liked by 1 person

  25. sunnydaze says:

    The tweet above should probably say “Xi and Trump…”. (Xi’s his surname).

    Either that or “Jinping and Donald….”….just to keep things on an equal footing. hehe.

    Liked by 1 person

  26. Sundance.

    Was this leak good or bad for Trump? I can’t see how this makes PDT look bad. Quite the opposite. So who did the leaking? Was it someone who is trying to bring Trump down and who is willing to take on Chief of Staff Kelly, or was this a “friendly leak”?

    This is not a “two scoops” of ice cream story. This is a leak from the very heart of government, and I think, is very threatening to the safety of us all. Such a leak, IMO, is outrageous. Why don’t they just leak the nuclear codes.

    Liked by 1 person

  27. distracted2 says:

    First off, I LOVE the b&w photo of POTUS. Just love.

    Secondly, after reading this article, I feel a huge wave of relief. Intellectually, I know that POTUS has “got this”, but sometimes I need to be reminded.

    The long game has been Trump’s playbook for decades. China is up against an adversary it never dreamed of – in Trump’s own words, “fire and fury like the world has never seen”.

    Liked by 2 people

  28. ZurichMike says:

    “Lügenpresse” — thank you for that! 🙂

    Liked by 1 person

  29. n1ghtcr4wler says:

    I can tell you what the Lügenpresse in Germany writes. “Trump in attack mode. Threatens Venezuela with war!” Did he say such a thing? of course not.

    Liked by 1 person

  30. paulinfl says:

    Dear Lord,
    Thank you for putting President Trump between us and evil and one more chance to save our country.
    Thank you for putting sundance and all the treeper family in place as a barrier of protection against the evil at work against your teachings.



  31. fangdog says:

    When one considers and asks, “What is there to like about North Korea”? It the leads to, “What is it democrats and some republicans side with North Korea”?

    What is it they see which American Patriots of common sense do not see?
    Someone has to be convoluted with this and and a deranged mind the only logical answer. These people must be removed with anything having to do with power and responsibility.


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