Economic Conflict – China Prepares To Drop Panda Mask…

Don’t focus on the waves, look closely at the tide.

You wouldn’t know if you just paid attention to the MSM presentations on developments in China, however internally China has already made the shift from Panda to Red Dragon. Over the past twenty years China has climbed economically driven mostly by massive internal manufacturing bolstered by strong central authority controls over their growth.

The Communist Party of China (CPC) is rarely discussed within most media conversations about China’s economic strength. However, in the face of a U.S. President who is no longer going to enable an erosion of America’s economy, President Trump’s trade policies become a risk to the objectives of Xi Jinping.

Big Panda drops the mask and shows the Red Dragon beneath the surface.

The exhibition of China’s military during a parade last weekend, and the words from China’s President Xi Jinping in combination with their facilitation of N-Korea’s aggression, reflect an increasingly obvious outlook China is preparing for conflict; and the Communist Party of China is rallying the Chinese people with a call for economic patriotism.

CHINA – […] The CPC undertakes noble responsibilities to ensure China’s peace and development, and enable people to realize their dreams. The ambitious responsibilities will be better identified when viewed in a historical context.

The CPC, Chinese government and the military should take on their responsibilities. National cohesion is critical for the people’s wellbeing and country’s competitiveness, yet opposing voices often find favor in diverse public opinions. Hence, having a firm leader is crucial for a power’s comprehensive national strength.

While leaders of other countries do everything to look witty and eloquent in front of the camera, a Chinese leader is devoted to real work. It’s clear who knows his country, unites the people and inspires the military.

China has formidable tasks ahead, which may be completely new to us. Modern countries have all designed a decision-making system that centers on a scientific and democratic approach. But as history proves, none of these can replace the leader’s wisdom. Having a brilliant leader is often a crucial factor in deciding a country’s fate.

China aims to rejuvenate the nation under the CPC’s leadership after past ordeals. But this involves remarkable internal governance and international leadership, which is a big test for the nation. It would be a noble and formidable undertaking for the CPC Central Committee with Xi as the core to lead today’s China. (link)

Andrewalinx provides a good encapsulation of how this official editorial from the Chinese Government should be interpreted:

That article seems to be signaling what SD termed the Red Dragon approach which is China getting ready for a trade war with the U.S.  A lot of it looks like beginning to signal seizing of assets and becoming a much more central controlled economy.

China has been putting up a gilded appearance of a semi capitalist economy since the 1970’s and this article reads like they are about to drop the gild and go full blatant centralization.

This is not a swipe at the President of the United states or a compliment but more of creating the justification narrative as to why the current leaders of China are going to be breaking from the approach of the past leaders and go for a more blatant state run economy and frame the trade war in as positive a spin as they can get away with.

I see this as more confirmation that China has committed itself to going to economic war with the United States.

China has no cultural or political space between peace and war; they are a historic nation based on two points of polarity.  They see peace and war as coexisting with each other. China accepts and believes opposite or contrary forces may actually be complementary, interconnected, and interdependent in the natural world, and they may give rise to each other as they interrelate to one another.  Flowing between these polar states is a natural dynamic to be used -with serious contemplation- in advancing objectives as needed.

Peace or war. Win or lose. Yin and Yang. Culturally there is no middle position in dealings with China; they are not constitutionally capable of understanding or valuing the western philosophy of mutual benefit where concession of terms gains a larger outcome.  If it does not benefit China, it is not done. The outlook is simply, a polarity of peace or war.  In politics or economics the same perspective is true.  It is a zero-sum outlook.

Therefore, when you see China publicly use strong language – it indicates a level of internal disposition beyond the defined western angst.  Big Panda becomes Red Dragon; there is no mid-status or evolutionary phase.  Every American associated with investment, economics and China would be well advised to put their business affairs in order accordingly.

 

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151 Responses to Economic Conflict – China Prepares To Drop Panda Mask…

  1. HBD says:

    Trump don’t play. He’ll give others the opportunity to do right and if they don’t………well, complicated business folks!

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    • wolfmoon1776 says:

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      • Coldeadhands says:

        Oh Wolf, THAT is deelicious hyperbole!

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      • Daniel says:

        Well, I guess that settles that. While I’m sure the president has been working against this, it is inevitable that the Korean war will resume (remember that it never ended) and this time we will simply run them over. And while I have little doubt the Chinese will send a LOT of support and a LOT of men, the US will secure that country and build between 4 and 8 bases in N.Korea with at least two of them hugging the border with China. and more than two naval facilities securing the waters of unified Korea against all aggressors.

        I sort of look forward to it — this should have been done LONG, LONG ago. And soon it will be unless China forgets about their addiction to “face.”

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        • wolfmoon1776 says:

          All sorts of futures. ON. THE. TABLE.

          But sending money, oil, and secret messages via weirdos like Bubba’s bro and basketball stars, is not one of them. 😎

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        • GrouchonotKarl says:

          Should have listened to Macarthur. He was so sure of hisgrouch position that the Chicoms should be emasulated he wrote a letter to Speaker of the House in open defiance of Haberdashery Harry.

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          • Paul says:

            Should of listened to him about his and about Russia. IMO there is a good chance this is why he was in a car accident (car on-purpose).

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            • Dizzy says:

              I think that had just as much to do with his declaration that we fought the wrong country and the decimation and persecution of Germany was a mistake.

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          • czarowniczy says:

            JFK should have listened to Douglas when he warned him about committing US forces to a ground fight in Asia. His warning still stands.
            The US has knowingly and willingly helped China modernize its military to where it is THE military force in Asia. We helped China build its army from the top-feed banzai mess it was in 1950 to a model Western system with officer, warrant and NCO corps. The US, during the Clinton administration, obligingly modernized their ICBM systems and sold them MIRV technology while they also managed to get GOS satellite technology (they have their own aiming/targeting system now) and, it’s rumored their nuke warheads suspiciously resemble our W-8X ones. There’s more but you get the idea.
            NK is a double-edged sword, it’s last launch had, I believe, a dual purpose. Note that while our analysts said the missile could have reached the USA the launch trajectory was altered to send it more than 1700 miles into space where it then landed in Japanese territorial waters. If the warning was to the US then why not impact the missile farther out into the Pacific closer to the US?
            I see multiple warnings from both NK and China to the US and Japan with neither China nor NK having love for Japan. The US is being shown any or all of its basing options to support an Asian presence are within not only China’s weapons but China’s meatpuppet’s. Japan is also warned about supporting the US in any Asian escapades but also against something we watched for years…Japan’s going nuke. It’s estimated that Japan could have a nuke on top of an ICBM in less than a year if it comes to it.
            The US said it’s repositioning its main thrust from European to Asia and I’m betting China’s sending a message thru NK.
            Candyglam flum Xi…candyglam flum Xi.

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        • Bazza McKenzie says:

          Delusional and those sorts of delusions will get millions of people killed.

          NK has about 1 million in its military, not much less than the US. Except all the NK military are in one country, with one purpose, not spread around the world as the US military is, and they are dug in since they have been preparing for a US attack for half a century.

          US weapons, and their numbers, no longer have superiority over other big militaries due to the corruption of the US MIC and the incompetence and support of corruption by the US Congress and US administrations.

          South Korea’s capital Soeul, with 20 million people, is just over 20 miles from the DMZ and within range of massive rocket and artillery bombardment from NK.

          China will not tolerate US bases on its border. It fought the US to a standstill in the Korean War when the relative capability of the US military was far greater than now. If the US engages in war in Korea, millions of people including huge numbers of US troops will die.

          How long has the US been fighting in Afghanistan and in Iraq, against far less organised and well equipped forces, and forces without the world’s Number 2 and 3 powers next door and backing them?

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          • czarowniczy says:

            Don’t forget China has about 3 million in its militia, great mass attack fodder as well as trained filler.
            China is practicing the US’s Cold War containment policies. It is surrounding its most likely Asian enemy, India, with a string of joint commercial -military bases in China-friendly countries in the Indian Ocean and Arabian Sea. It will contain India and blunt Australian naval efforts. It is focusing on Taiwan but has a huge bullseye on Japan and is working to split the Philippines out of the Western sphere. It’s use of NK as a surrogate to show these countries that it’s not safe to support US policy is pure Chinese.
            Let’s not forget the the failed Chinese invasion of North Vietnam in 1979. Even though China sent equipment and combat troops to Vietnam during the US war (didn’t know about the troops, huh?) they still tried to invade their Commie bud thinking it weak and unable to resist. Expect the SEA nations to form/reorganize some sort of mutual aid/defense system in the future.

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          • czarowniczy says:

            Another thing. There’s a new generation of more accurate and more capable Air Launched Cruis Missiles coming out.it’s more accurate and more survivable. It wil also have a newer nuke warhead that will have a selectable yield from about 5kt to 150kt, just dial the yield in for the mission (not a new feature).
            Problem is: fallout from the fallout. Neither China nor the South wants to see clouds of glow-in-the-dark filtering down through their skies. Those huge masses of arty, both tube and FROG, are close enough to the border to cause fallout issues while NK’s followon military is farther north. You also have the problem of their ICBMs which are mobile and difficult to spot in realtime. When the Russians are pissed they used to move their mobile ICBMs out of garrison to give us a signal but I’m betting NK won’t be playing that game if push comes to shove.
            We might have had some better chances with cluster munitions but our leftist president’s and Congress cut our Developnent, ownership and use of them while Russia and China went balls to the wall (WWII aviation term) in their development programs. CBUs could have been more helpful than even smart bombs, but….
            It’s gonna be a bloodbath. The South has moved a large chunk of its military to the far southern parts of the country for a counterattack, it’s almost as if they’ve agreed to sacrifice Seoul and a part of the north to delay the North. The NK using ground routes will use expendable forces to breach the mibefields, deploy thei SF from super low level insertion and undoubtedly break forth from some of those monster tunnels under the DMZ we still haven’t found. The crush along the Seoul salient between troops, civilians and supporting forces will be a free-for-all killing zone. And what happens if the Chinese decide to step in to ‘stabilize’ the peninsula?

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      • The Demon Slick says:

        I know it’s wrong but if we nuke N.Korea …. number one, it’s the only sure way to take out all of the artillery batteries at once. Every third shell is a chemical weapon.
        2 it may be the only way to avoid war with China.
        Nukes are now much cleaner and more precise than ever. I believe that China is preparing for war with the US. I think they see it as inevitable. The airfields being built at fiery cross and the others are built for war, with fueling stations at every aircraft berth. The new Chinese anti ship missiles are supersonic, we can’t intercept them. And Chinese have come here to be born for generations, meaning that most Chinese agents are US citizens. A super strong move may be the only way to avoid war with China and the deaths of thousands or tens of thousands of our soldiers.

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        • czarowniczy says:

          Chinese sent sleepers into the US decades ago to work in our defense areas and recruited ethnic Chinese in defense and defense related areas, among others, to emigrate to Mother China where they’d be paid well and get a swell life. They were generally known as ‘sea turtles’. Take a look at much of their military equipment and see how much of it bears a strong resemblance to ours and NATO goodies.

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        • wolfmoon1776 says:

          All I know is we have to be tough. No matter what they do, they have to know that there are Americans who would sooner see Chinese a dead language and half the planet gone, than freedom die.

          That horrifying thought needs to haunt their dreams.

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    • Niagara Frontier says:

      We must never forget everything that China stole! When it comes to the protection of intellectual property, China is one of the world’s leading scofflaws. Everything is copied in the country, from designer watches to cars.

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      • Kjf says:

        And what they didnt copy, they bought with money orders to presidential campaigns, ie nuclear secerts

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      • DeadDireWolf says:

        Just look at the pictures in the Daily Mail article of their military. Everything, literally *everything*, all military hardware, vehicle, uniform, aircraft, weapon, etc has neen copied or stolen from some other country. They literally have no unique concepts or innovation.

        I wonder if we have equipment superiority anymore?

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        • MaineCoon says:

          Wish I still had the article I read that explained the chinese thinking as it was exactly as you said — “copied or stolen from some other country. They literally have no unique concepts or innovation.”

          IIRC Chinese thinking is opposite the American thought process of the entrepreneurial, creative mindset. They do not think this way and therefore MUST copy, steal concepts or innovations to move forward. They have stolen so much from America and companies like Apple are stupid enough to hand it to them practically on a silver platter.

          When I grew up “Made In China” was product one didn’t buy.

          President Trump must go to trade war with China in order to MAGA as China will not relinquish what they have stolen. There’s no turning back for them.

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          • Doug says:

            see the problem with only being good at copying is that your always a step behind the person you are copying.

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          • Daniel says:

            It’s actually pretty consistent with the communist mindset. They believe everything is finite and that for one person to get rich, many others must become poor. They believe all ideas and inventions have already been thought of and invented. Creativity comes from seeing things which do not yet exist. Those in the east generally lack specifically that. This is especially true of most Japanese I personally know. Their path and ideal is perfection and mastery which are inherently concepts requiring a finite concept of correctness.

            What people of that sort see as reckless, random and unpredictable, we understand to be the seeds of growth and development.

            …and why should they bother with creative development anyway? They can just steal it. What’s the big deal? Right?

            China is worse than people who mimic the works of others. They demand huge foreign companies set up design and manufacturing in their country and then after things are running well, they step in and confiscate both the intellectual property and the tooling and the factories. They did this to a French company who wanted to sell trains to the Chinese. Boeing was stupid enough to want to comply with China as well. Apple? Well… they may as well move to China for all I care — they’re leftists through and through. Google was kind enough to make their stuff open source so that anyone can use it. Apple, not so much.

            Who doesn’t already know all of this? A lot of people, apparently. But that number of people will decrease soon enough.

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            • Oncefired says:

              I know a guy who travels to China a lot because they have stuff made there. He said the biggest problem is they add many extra steps to the manufacturing process that isn’t necessary. He will fly over get it all straightened out with flow charts, watch for a couple weeks and make sure everything is running smooth. As soon as he leaves they add all the extra steps back again. This guy is only having plastic bags made there!

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        • Kaco says:

          They love to copy antiques and sell them on eBay. A savvy buyer spots them a mile away, though.

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        • czarowniczy says:

          They’ve done a lot of reverse engineering but they’ve updated and improved too. The Israeli Galil rifles are AK upgrades…look at China’s Type-95 and QZB-03 rifles.
          Biggest thing is they have massive manufacturing capacity. Look st the Russians during WWII, they cast rank bodies and turrets in dirt molds in the ground, their lesser-quality tanks beat the German higher quality tanks through attrition, those tatty T-34s ran all over the Germans largely due to their numbers. If you got no gun then a guy with a singleshot blunderbuss has the advantage. The Chinese can manufacture war equipment that’s ‘close enough for government work’ by the ton.

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          • Kroesus says:

            T-34 with its sloped front armor and 76mm main gun was SUPERIOR to German armor until the P-5 (Panther) and Tiger Is came along…so much so it caused fear in the German ranks that sub human Slavs could make such a better weapon

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            • czarowniczy says:

              The PzIII had a 37mm cannon and the PzIV a 75mm. The 34s has a soft cast turret that early Panzers could take out with their cannons, though the Army had dedicated antitank weapons, the Luftwaffe was expert at taking out Rusian tanks (got to listen to Rudel lecture on that) and the Wehrmacht Pioneers were experts at using barrier and denial to channelize Russian srmorbinto kill zones (my grandfather’s specialty).
              If we look at Kursk as the turning point, and the greatest armor battle ever fought, we have to look at scattered Russian reports that they used weak biowarfare to dull the German edge. I also believe that had allied bombings and Hitler diverting war resources to useless crap the German armament system would have delivered the advanced weapons into the war sooner and crushed the Russians decidedly. Then again if wishes were horses even beggars would ride.

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      • The Demon Slick says:

        They’re the Ferengi of earth.

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    • Tony says:

      China move by Nixon was brilliant strategy against Soviets, but this is NOW. PDJT games with Russia is to balance China’ threat.

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    • Orygun says:

      That statement about the wisdom of their leader will surpass the achievements of an open and free society is a line right out of Kim’s book. No wonder China props up NK. They think that a strong dictator is the answer to the people’s prayers.
      China has stolen our jobs, manufacturing and intellectual property with just a few payments to criminal organizations running our country.
      The State Department has been running a garage sale with the assets of our country.
      Just Wow! Their arrogance is unreal.

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  2. wolfmoon1776 says:

    Agreed.

    The PRIORITY behind everything China has done since inception is war with the US – be it economic or military. China weaponized peace. We were idiots. Much of this was due to the left pressuring Nixon at home. He fell into a Chinese trap, which moved imperceptibly slow like a Venus fly trap, so it was never obvious. Trump flew us out at the last minute.

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    • Oldschool says:

      As a young gal working in the steel industry, I had a very wise boss who did not agree with the Nixon/China policies. He said, in the future the greatest threat to our nation will be China, and we will be to blame. My boss is long gone, as is the steel company, but his words play in my head.

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      • wolfmoon1776 says:

        Very wise, indeed.

        Nixon was extremely “pushable”, and the infiltrated media used that to push his buttons. There was lots of talk about the safety of the relationship back then, and reassurance that we would be careful, but China was EXTREMELY patient, and bided its time on detectable subversion. Their opening move was to send “Mao jacket” students here, into science and engineering classes. They loosened up year after year. Over time, after that, what we SAW was the adoption of much Western/outside culture in China – a calculated risk on the CCP’s part. What we didn’t see was THEIR subversion here, which was much, much, much more stealthy.

        I’m not so anti-communist that I think China should have its own indigenous form of government. For the Chinese culture, what they have may become exactly what they want, or at least it will get there eventually. What I refuse to accept is their attempt to export their model here by subversion. I have watched them kill freedom here, by poisoning it when we’re not looking, and I think it’s time to say “Not one drop more – or else.”

        “We gotta be tough, folks.” That’s my feeling. No more doormat.

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        • wolfmoon1776 says:

          …should NOT have….

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        • Deadbeat says:

          I think we are forgetting history here. Nixon went to China to split the alliance between China and the USSR. There was a Cold War if you recall. I agree with Nixon motives. The real problem was due to American business, politicians, and the Left using China to undermine U.S. entrepreneurs and workers. This more than anything that China did is what places us in peril. Our country is reeling from Marxist Globalism and this is our greatest danger and threat. The weakening of the West from Marxist Globalism is primary reason that now China can assert itself.

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          • wolfmoon1776 says:

            I have to say – I was around for the Cold War, and I personally think that, if Nixon actually thought he would split China and Russia that way, he was an idiot. Sounds like an old talking point, not geopolitical reality. Even based on border tensions around that time, which may or may not have been bait for certain Soviet tricks that followed, we still see that Russia and China have too much to gain from maintaining a friendly relationship. I don’t thing a true split would ever make sense, and demanding one would be highly dysfunctional, like asking a spouse to disown a sibling.

            But as for what you say is the real problem, YES, in spades. We were extreme suckers on this. NOW – ask why. Why did business, politicians, and the left all jump in the proper direction?

            Marxist Globalism. Yes. And who delivered it?

            The media. Which, at the time, was quite red-infested and/or influenced, albeit more Soviet and less Maoist. China knew how people would jump, and put the bait right where it needed to be.

            Marxist Globalism is exactly the problem. The people in it – most of them, that is – don’t really see how they’ve been undermined to fall in the directions needed by China. And we have to always bear in mind, that Russia may be on a more hybrid America-China model now, but they still have ALL the old Soviet intelligence, and most if not all of their old assets. They’re not looking to help us win against Globalism, other than to keep it from causing THEM grief. So they’re still no more than frenemies – even when we’re on the same page on this or that item.

            Your last statement is the critical point:

            “The weakening of the West from Marxist Globalism is primary reason that now China can assert itself.”

            AMEN. Globalism is a failure we were gaslit into believing. Chuck it in the garbage, and replace with smart internationalism, or as I like to call it, “international nationalism”.

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            • czarowniczy says:

              China exists for China alone. Nixon screwed up when he thought that he could co-opt Mao. Mao had been going it alone with the sole intention of his ruling China from his joining the Party in the 20s. He knew that China had the capacity to be the world’s leading manufacturing and economic power, a super power if not THE super power.

              Remember Mso’s Great Leap Forward some 60 years ago? He tried to marshal the Chinese people and leap into the industrial world. In my opinion he screwed the pooch when he decided to use Russian manufacturing technology which in itself was decades behind. He used another Communist country’s outdated socialist mentality machines to take on Capitalists…blew that one. He just couldn’t bring himself to use Capitalist tools to beat the Capitalists. After Mao went to room temp his heirs knew better and in some 25 short years they’ve begged, bought, stolen or borrowed enough of the Capitalist’s tools and techniques to become the world’s 2nd greatest economic power. In another 25 years we’re gonna be asking who was the one who woke the sleeping tiger and got our assets bitten.

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              • wolfmoon1776 says:

                Very nice explanation right there. People need to read that over and over and over. The ChiComs want to DOMINATE. Period. And I say we give them two options – FAILURE by destruction of China or FAILURE by destruction of communism. And if either one means a world war – FINE. Even a record-setter. Their choice.

                Slavery will perish from this planet, if it takes every last ChiCom – OR CHINESE – to do it.

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          • railer says:

            Yes, you’ve captured it perfectly. Nixon’s China gambit was perfectly timed, and it bore fruit. Problem arose under the Bushes and Clinton and Obama. They sold the farm economically, and now we have to reclaim it economically. MAGA.

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            • wolfmoon1776 says:

              MAGA!!!

              What’s important to realize is that ALL OF THIS WAS THE CHINESE PLAN.

              China knew that they would beat EVERY ONE OF THESE PRESIDENTS – each in their own way. Nobody screwed up. Our people behaved in expected ways, and China’s plot (working with the Soviets) adapted to every one. We look back at them as messing up, but what really happened is that we did not keep evolving against China’s shifting tactics.

              The Chinese do their plotting against us over MULTIPLE presidencies. People need to understand this. This is WHY they need Hillary back in the White House in 2020. They lose too much ground with a non-asset as President. She or another asset is top of the list. Kamala is probably not a true asset, but she can help an asset get back in – probably as VP to Hillary, or vice versa.

              Here they are – the Chinese plans for every President – starting with Nixon:

              Nixon – megalomaniac, paranoid, media puppet. Get a surrender on Vietnam, push paranoia with hoax of communists funding Dems, and take out with Watergate. Note that Hillary Clinton is being prepared at this time, goes into communist law firm.

              Ford – crippled by Nixon legacy, Watergate, and jock background. Use media to denigrate until removable.

              Carter – DUPE – highly prized. Win as much as possible, let Russia push him around. Begin infiltrating using students from China.

              Reagan – gaslight-susceptible on free trade mantras. Get maximum capitalist-sold rope to China. Get weapons agreements to Russia. Send in more and more students.

              GHW Bush – globalist dupe for falling Berlin Wall. Russia can adopt China model but max out on pretense of decommunization. Removable by first true communist sympathizer.

              Clinton – first real communist sympathizer (not a dupe like Carter) and husband of asset Hillary Clinton. Russia can reorganize safely to regain KGB control while China can begin REAL assault on America. Technology transfer begins in earnest, maximum spying – the gates are down, the shields are off.

              GW Bush – second globalist dupe – secondary choice as sympathizers Dole and Kerry are beaten back. China just keeps building while Muslims are used as directional bait and fake allies via controlled globalists.

              Obama – actual asset, like Hillary – either way a win, with alternative McCain as brainwashed dupe third alternative. Go for the gold. Get TPP in place for massive infiltration of American homeland using TPP-exportable factories and workers, removal of American sovereignty over anything “trade”. Prepare for Clinton administration.

              Trump – PROBLEM. China unmasked. Need him out by 2020. May require a “Vietnam” in Korea. American media will be prepared to assist.

              This is a LONG war. We are waking up to find that they’ve been warring on us for decades, and we pretended nothing was happening.

              It is this long-term thinking that gave Khrushchev the haughty confidence of “we will bury you”, and the Chinese still today have this attitude.

              WE have to have Founding-Father long-term confidence that scares THEM. WE have to tell them to their faces that Communism is an aberration – a degradation – a violation of OUR superior form of social government.

              Communism ALLIES with error, it USES error, it PRAISES error, and it IS an error.

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          • The Demon Slick says:

            Clinton got China into the WTO. That’s what did it.

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        • Donna in Oregon says:

          You know, you’re the only person that has ever made sense to me about Communism….

          woofmoon1776 says:

          “I’m not so anti-communist that i think China should not have its own indigenous form of government”

          Thank you woofmoon.

          In school, my Dad gave us government lessons. He told us that Communism was for populations that have uneducated, stupid, lazy, or violent populations. You round the people up, tell the first one to dig a ditch and if he doesn’t do it then you shoot him in the head. Then you tell the next guy to dig the ditch, and he does it. That concluded the lesson at my house on Communism….

          You’re explanation is way less scary. 🙂

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      • JMC says:

        I also thought Nixon was nuts to do it. But, of course, he had to be “first” at something big. Just like so many other political megalomaniacs.

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        • wolfmoon1776 says:

          The communists are EXCELLENT – absolutely excellent – at knowing how people will jump, and setting them up to do it using media prods. They were afraid of JFK, however. He was not playing ball, and he had psychological power over a red media. This is why the charismatic Trump is absolutely forbidden to have favor in the communized sectors of our media. They do NOT want a Kennedy, immune from their prods while still interacting favorably with the media.

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    • booger71 says:

      From Coke to Levis to cars..were salivating to get their product to 5 billion or so people. Wonder how it will work out for them now.

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  3. MK Wood says:

    Good I hate pandas. ChiComs are going to try and act tough. Not sure they really fully comprehend how much butthurt they are going to receive.

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    • RF121 says:

      This will not be a walk in the park and could easily spin out of control. Be careful what you wish for.

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        • wolfmoon1776 says:

          Agreed. We have LOTS of options. Cool heads on our shoulders will win.

          WE are the only people who will let it spin out of control. As long as we are cool, calm, and don’t listen to the Chinatized media, we’re good.

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        • rf121 says:

          None good. Just because we believe we have the economic leverage does not mean we will not suffer some also. Also, China may decide to accelerate there expansion plans to rally support amongst their citizens.

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          • wolfmoon1776 says:

            The solution to getting out of a slow, twisted, patient plot, is often a series of abrupt, steep, sharp turns. Just hang on.

            We are now IN THE GAME instead of pretending there isn’t one.

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          • dreadnok89 says:

            China has been having trouble with there pop for sometime now. Between islamic terrorists and workers rights.

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            • railer says:

              If China shoots anybody in the streets, they’ll pay a massive price economically. Everybody will jump on the Trump train, and start blocking Chinese imports. You can tell this Chicom message is aimed at the people they’d like to shoot, too. They know what’s coming. I’m more afraid of the upheaval there than here. Here it’ll be just the globalists’ butthurt and media familiars whimpering, no big deal. In China, there’s liable to be gunfire.

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          • MK Wood says:

            How I read your comments is to do nothing and let them dictate to us. Same ol’ same ol’ failed policy.

            It is time to be aggressive. China will collapse fast. Their economy is actually very precarious.

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        • JAS says:

          Star Wars II Anyone? – Reagan, not the movie 🙂

          One thing we can do is outspend them militarily, while at the same time not buying their stuff and making it ourselves. See what happens next. China’s new glinty-rich “middle class” will have none of it. Always happens with the socialists. The fall always happens from within.

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      • andrewalinxs says:

        China defined the terms of engagement. They could ether work with the President or not.

        President Trump in Trumpian fashion allowed China to choose paraphrasing SD again as he sums things up I feel better then me.

        “China had a choice be Panda or Dragon.”

        In me looking back due to the nature of Chinese negation of Peace or War, Win Or Lose the option was always fixed as far as I can now tell to Dragon.

        I suspect the President knew this already and was simply allowing China to reveal that to the American people so he could move in the full force he wanted. As Sun Light is the best disinfectant and China has been hiding it true motives in the shadows since the 1970’s.

        What comes is Because China choose that route. Economic war is a result of China’s refusal to work the the President just like the “Big ugly” as SD puts it is the Result of Uni parties refusal to work with the President.

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        • wolfmoon1776 says:

          Very much agreed!

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          • Tom says:

            China picked a bad time for war, as they are possible more indebted and are more rehypothecated in “assets” than even Japan. Their economy will fold like a cheap suit under the weight of it all.Good luck feeding 1 billion people when you need to import a good portion of your food. Foreign reserves won’t hold up for long.

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            • wolfmoon1776 says:

              Don’t worry – Russia will help China in any conflict. The UniParty is making sure of that.

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            • MK Wood says:

              Exactly.

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            • czarowniczy says:

              The present government is using Mao’s blueprint from decades ago, they’ve just adopted some Capitalist methods. They won’t hesitate to selectively use other aspects of Mao’s blueprint…remember when Mao said he’d gladly lose 300,000,000 Chinese to achieve his goals?
              Chinese government’s been building huge underground facilities deep underground in remote areas and you can bet more than a few of them are, like ours, meant to preserve their government in a SHTF scenario. They lose 300,000,000 and they still gave more bodies than we do untouched.

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      • MK Wood says:

        Did I say a thing about war?

        It will be economic. If it comes to violence it will be started by China and I do not beleive their military can perform.

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        • Of course it will be economic. Both sides have piles of nukes. If there is a shooting war it will be between NK and the US/SK alliance and only if someone makes a huge mistake. If China escalates from there then the nukes will be brought out and they know it.

          China is going to lose bigly as long as we simply line up all the heavy weaponry and then put in the trade sanctions. Both NK and China will collapse financially.

          And frankly it does not matter if NK gets nukes. For all intents and purposes they are an extension of China and Tillerson treats them as such. Simply declare that if NK does anything stupid then Xi is responsible because it’s all China policy. And that is what Tillerson is doing. NK = China for the purposes of the MAD doctrine.

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    • TexasDude says:

      Pandas are carnivores who are vegan and refuse to reproduce in any meaningful way.

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    • Wend says:

      Oh no, they are so fat and cute! Don’t blame them for bad behavior by the humans!

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  4. chojun says:

    At the moment, whilst the Chinese middle class is largely vacant but developing, the Chinese economy can’t afford to lose the US consumer. So while a trade war might be in the Chinese interest it remains to be seen what effect it would have on their economy.

    The way I see it is that China is only ever 1 step ahead of the economic reaper because their monetary policy of the last decade or so is not founded on sound principles. Eventually deflation has to hit them and it’ll hit hard. So either they stop screwing with their currency and lift their poor into the middle class or a trade war might collapse.

    The panda mask might be off but I only see a paper dragon beneath.

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    • Janie M. says:

      chojun, I think many Americans would have a preference for American made products due to quality and longevity issues with Chinese junk. We need to get our manufacturing factories, including textiles, back up to snuff. I am curious about how many American based companies have facilities in China. Could it seize them and evict all American corporate owners? That would not sit to well for any US consumers or President Trump. It could lead to a citizen based boycott of Chinese made products and more.

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    • dreadnok89 says:

      And what does it matter when majority of china population are poor. They cant afford u.s. Goods anyway

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      • chojun says:

        Because the emerging Chinese middle class are the ones who are manufacturing the goods that are exported to the United States en-masse. That brings to light the trade imbalance where we are sending our wealth to China and build their economy and manufacturing base and install a permanent middle class there whilst eroding ours because of the lack of any meaningful reciprocal trade.

        The reason why China doesn’t pose a serious economic threat (yet) is because of the general lack of a middle class there. The result is that their first economy (Main St.) functions much like our second economy (Wall St.) where it is merely propped up by government policy and fiscal/monetary shenanigans and refusal of trade partners (like previous US administrations) to negotiate balanced trade deals. Hence why I refer to them as a paper dragon. But imagine if almost 1 billion Chinese poor were to emerge from the shadows and meaningfully contribute to economic output. China would be the ones setting the rules in the world trade forums. They would redefine the meaning of a ‘superpower’.

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    • MK Wood says:

      Creating a Chinese middle class is a fallacy perpetrated by western media.

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  5. Stringy Theory says:

    I say bring it on red dragon. Go Trump! Go USA!!

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  6. Johnny says:

    Sorry but you have not paid attention in class at all! In ww1 & 2 we trained supplied and saved both Russia and China from complete annihilation. We share a space station with both! They both buy trillions in US savings bonds investing directly in us the US! Your lack of tgis knowledge is depressing! Makes me think your invested in warmongering!

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    • WSB says:

      Notice all the Chinese people buying properties in the US?

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    • WhichWayWesternMan says:

      The Chinese wants what’s best for us! The Chinese love us! They are with us! *foams at the mouth*

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    • Kroesus says:

      trying to straighten us out you got a few facts off kilter….we do share time on the ISS with Russia among a consortium of I believe 13 nations now but do NOT share any space craft with the ChiComs……neither the Russians or Chinese have “trillions” in US Bonds….Russia holds a very small position and last Chinese position was 2nd in world with $1.5T in bonds….Russia was a part of the Lend-Lease program helping to arm Europe during WWII China was NOT….instead we lent them military aid and allowed them to sell bonds to finance the war to the US citizens…..in 1948 Mao reneged on all previous Chinese debt in contravention to international law…..I personally think we should just cancel debt to China and call it even at this point

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      • Doug says:

        thanks for correcting that.. we share space stuff with russia but nothing with china… china is not our friend and never will be because thats not how they operate .. the culture doesnt do frenemies or loyalty… trump knows their weak spots and they are very much there for the exposing

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        • czarowniczy says:

          China shares its space station with no one…I would venture to say as they heavily use it for military purposes just as the Russians did Mir. The Chinese can’t afford seperate military and civilian space programs as the US does so they use a joint military/civilian space program just as the US…never mind.

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    • dreadnok89 says:

      you answered your own question

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  7. peace says:

    I am so very tired of seeing chinese made merchandise fill up the shelves in so many of our stores that I am looking forward to seeing labels with the words Made in the USA.

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  8. Elwood says:

    Re: N. Korea. Scud missiles are not ICBMs. The people who use the term ICBM are part of the problem.

    China has a unique problem that war with the west will not solve (economic war or any other kind). As the living standard of her people rise they will look around the world and see that they are the only major nation in which the producing classes have no right to self determination.

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    • WhichWayWesternMan says:

      You’re assuming the people who inhabit Anglo-Saxon societies in their present forms are in fact avatars of universal humanity. Our political systems are a product of ethnicity and culture, and they will not exist elsewhere as the man neocon ‘nation building’ exercises have so amply demonstrated. China’s political culture coalesces around the ‘mandate of heaven’. The communists embedded their ideology within Confucian reference points and thus assumed the mantle. Now the ‘Communist’ party, which is more accurately a technocratic-corporatist governing entity, is intent upon managing China’s rise to global prominence in much the same fashion Imperial Germany did – authoritarian (but not totalitarian) political structure using the power of the state to ensure industry can compete internationally, and is protected domestically. There’s also been a distinct trend in the last few years toward Confucian conservatism. Gays are banned from TV. They know great power does not derive from permissive values. Don’t invest your hopes in the rather blinkered view everybody wants to be American. Chinese civilization has been around a long time, and not once have they even approached democracy in their mentality.

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    • wolfmoon1776 says:

      This is where I think China made a terrible mistake (good for us, bad for them) by kicking the religious OUT of the CCP, and closing the doors, making it more orthodox, rather than more welcoming and open to change. In my opinion, their solution to a long and healthy future is to basically run the CCP like a political sporting league, and that determination comes from those who want to get in – with anybody and everybody welcome. It’s a different model from what we have here, but it can accrue almost all of the same benefits. The most subtle but important benefit is that it becomes more intelligent and evolving, not more reliant on old dogmas. Such a CCP would have easily weathered Tiananmen Square without breaking a sweat, to the benefit of all parties.

      We are actually not so different in that we have an “inviolable Constitution”, which serves basically the same purpose as their “one party” – a way to put a boundary around the politically acceptable. Ours is centrally determined and formed by branching out – theirs is more of a bounding surface. They just need to avoid reflexive rigidity – the greatest defect of the model. And WE need to get back to making the Constitution work according to design, now that Saboteur in Chief Obama is gone.

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      • dreadnok89 says:

        Reiligions are terrible man. Non stop bickering over the most inane things. Our freedom of religion will be the dowfall of this country. Muzzies exploit it non stop

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        • wolfmoon1776 says:

          Well, you have to put the “problems of religion” in perspective. Atheism has gotten off to a rough start, to say the least. If the millions of dead weren’t shocking enough, HOW they died is even more ghastly.

          I’ll take the religious bickering, and even some muzz, once the commies and their neocon stooges stop using them as “Korantifa”. 😉

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  9. MK says:

    The Cold War was real noting Nixon played the Chinese against the Russians.

    For all the bad mouthing of Globalist, the positive was making Chinese into Capitalist instead cannon fodder and getting our folks killed. China will not go to war because Americans didn’t buy their products.

    The down side is not one Chinese product I’ve bought in the last 20 years lasted more than two years.

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  10. Two nights ago we Had Chinese food at a small local shop. We know the owner, a Chinese man, who is truly a kind, generous person. He married an Americans and they are raising their two kids at the little restaurant while they both work 12-14 hour days, 6 days a week.

    When we were ready to cash out, he said no charge! I was shocked. I had given them a bucket full of raspberry start earlier, but never expected a free dinner.

    We talked for awhile and the owner said he was taking his family to china for the month of September. Happy that he was taking a vacation, I said “good that you are going now as the leaders our our country’s are quarreling over NK and trade.” He quickly responded “no problem, no war because it will blow up the world.” I smiled and we parted.

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    • joshua says:

      I once knew a very smart and experienced global businessman…who commented seriously, “never trust a smiling Chinaman”….like trusting the promise of a Muslim….what you see and hear is not what you will get….

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  11. wolfmoon1776 says:

    Important thing to remember – “refusing to be a sucker in peace” is not the same as “war”.

    Trump is doing something no President has done since long before Nixon. He is letting China show its true face to us. That isn’t a bad thing at all. He got China to turn off their invisibility.

    China wants to be number one. That will mean bullying us in the future. Exporting their commie corruption here. Not just one Clinton Crime Family. LOTS of them. If we don’t want that future, we have to stand up. As we have been, and as we will.

    The idea that America was the world’s “one last superpower” when the Berlin wall fell was a delusion, encouraged by the nasty treasonous media. We were as “in charge” as Michael Jackson was in charge of his empire, hooked on drugs, pedophilia, and his addiction to fame. FAKE “in chage”. We were a Hollywood superpower.

    The delusion glasses are off now. Time for painful but healthy reality – including our relationship with China.

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    • M. Mueller says:

      I do not understand, and never did, why we allow Chinese Corps. and other foreign entities to buy our farmland, ports, etc. That cannot be good for Americans. In times of friction, it seems we could be harmed by this.

      Maybe I am naive, but I would like to put in place laws like Mexico and the Philippines where only citizens can buy great swaths of land, etc.

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      • wolfmoon1776 says:

        Yeah, I see your point. The trouble is, we keep electing Presidents who put donors like Loral (sold missile tech during Bubba’s reign) above the safety of the American people. Some foreign investment is good, but yeah – communist countries should be scratched off the list completely, IMO.

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      • Tom says:

        Well, in the long run, you can’t move real estate abroad. They may “own” it but it will forever be a part of the US, if you know what I mean.

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      • railer says:

        If China is holding dollars because we buy their junk, then you can expect them to buy property in the US. Cut the trade deficit, and they’re not holding dollars, and can’t buy property here. Simples.

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    • Dizzy says:

      Your “in charge” perspective makes it all so clear in the form the scene in The Dark Knight Rises when Daggett realizes he didn’t understand what kind of man he was messing with. So used to bullying hired guns and demanding their obedience for a price, he comes to the horrific understanding that this big guy had his own agenda.

      “I’m in charge!”
      *places hand menacingly against neck*, “Do you feel in charge?”

      youtube.com/watch?v=3C_BubeBU8E

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  12. America First says:

    I remember one time when I had my plumber over to work on my well pump, and he had to replace a leaky fitting. The original cheap part was Chinese made. It had a pinhole leak in the metal and the threads around the connection were leaking. He told me he could put a Chinese made replacement part on that cost 50 cents, and I would be calling him back over sooner or later. Or he could put an American made version of the same part and it would cost 5 dollars. But he’d never be back to replace it. The Chinese crap is made of the lowest grade material and machined so poorly that the male/female comnection won’t even screw in right. Folks, we can either lay down and keep getting fleeced, or we can fight. I have the belly for it, but I don’t know about the rest of the country, and I know the MSM enemy within is going to blame everything on Trump and MAGA when the going gets tough.

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  13. TigerBear says:

    Bill Clinton left a hell of a legacy (other than Monica of course) he gave NK nukes and was instrumental in getting China into WTO and trade deals with US!

    He did an awesome job protecting Americans and Americas future, don’t you think?! /s

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    • joshua says:

      Bill C was focused more on oral orifices in the oval office than the nation’s business.

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    • Kroesus says:

      he also sold W-90s warhead (MIRV) tech to the Chinese and through Boeing and Loral made their ICBMs not blow up on launch and have some accuracy…..we know at least the latter has been shard with NK and the little fat guy

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  14. “Every American associated with investment, economics and China would be well advised to put their business affairs in order accordingly.”

    Indeed.

    I wonder what this means for Chinese investment in the US. For some time now, we have been trading our real estate for cheap Chinese-made consumer goods. Chinese investors have been buying up so much real estate on the west coast that it is skewing the market.

    Does this mean Chinese investors will be selling their US real estate holdings? If so, we can prepare for and benefit from that.

    Do any real estate Treepers have any thoughts on this?

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    • Kaco says:

      I wonder as well. The Chinese got their fingers in our auto industry and who knows if they will disrupt that production.

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  15. realcapedcrusader says:

    Paying more, or using less will be a lot cheaper than a war with North Korea. I will be happy to tighten my belt to teach China that the USA is done being pushed around. Mr. President, bring it on!

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  16. citizen817 says:

    “The outlook is simply, a polarity of peace or war.  In politics or economics the same perspective is true.  It is a zero-sum outlook.”

    China’s island building has far outpaced similar efforts in the area, unsettling the United States, which has about $1.2 trillion in bilateral trade go through the South China Sea every year. 

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  17. William Ford says:

    How can the USA possibly win any competition with China when its Congress opposes giving priority to U.S. interests? All Democrats and half the GOP favors the Obama globalist policies that enrich Wall Street and a small number of huge multinational corporations who pay them off with huge cash contributions while the wealth of the USA is exported, its manufacturing and jobs are exported to the great detriment of the middle class. Trump has the right policies but they are opposed and sabotaged by the globalist Congress. It will be a fight where the USA has one hand tied behind its back. With the globalists poised to retake the WH in 2020 or before using the Russia collusion hoax and Mueller.

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    • Kaco says:

      I agree, Congress ought to know China should be doing something about NK but they are silent on China’s role. However, they’re more worried about Russia “interfering in our democracy” and going to war with them.

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  18. Sunshine says:

    Because of CTH SUNDANCE, last week, I cashed in my Mutual Funds. I think I’m not the only one doing it since the Bank’s Mutual Funds Investment Index has been going down for two straight months, and it’s a real big international bank.
    In five years, I haven’t seen it go down for two straight months by hundreds of dollars on a $25K investment. I was always weary of Mutual Funds but this one did well for me, i.e. a 10% return in five years. Had I cashed it in at end-December, I would have had 20% return.
    SELL your Mutual Funds. Thank You SUNDANCE.

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    • Kaco says:

      Do you have a link to the article you are referring to re: mutual funds?

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      • Sunshine says:

        SUNDANCE mentioned it not too long ago. And again today in this post although CTH never mentioned anything in particular. Just a well-grounded warning. It’s up to us to think it through.

        Mutual Funds are normally bank-related investments in international companies and certificates. This is all paper that also has direct and indirect China-related components.

        My Mutual Fund investment with the bank wasn’t locked in, redeemable at any time without fees or charges. I suggest you follow your bank portfolio on a daily basis after closing time, especially Mutual Fund investments. I know people who cashed theirs in last December after Trump’s election and they all did fine. I should also have done so. My mistake.

        We are heading toward an economic war with Red Dragon China.

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  19. dreadnok89 says:

    Yawn, paper tiger.

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  20. Donna in Oregon says:

    IDK what the Chinese pep rally all about? Commies always take over private business when times are tough. Isn’t that what Venezuela did? Took over American companies? Rut Roh…..

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2017/05/04/gm-racks-up-big-loss-venezuelas-plant-takeover/101258642/

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  21. xyzlatin says:

    China has millions and millions of single men who will never marry, due to their one child policy imbalancing the 50/50 women/men population ratio (Chinese parents aborted the girls and kept the son). It makes a potential huge army if necessary and if there is real physical war their deaths will dispose of a problem.

    China also has an excess of steel imports and excess buildings and infrastructure lying unused as the Chinese government propped up their growth by financing building things. They have also had a policy for some years of exporting Chinese nationals to large areas of Africa (and elsewhere) who are loyal to China. The Chinese think of Africa as the external edges of their empire.

    How this will all play out with a weakened West and America half full of marxists is anyone’s guess. The thing is, the bottom line is, North Korea is increasingly becoming a real threat to the lives of Americans, so President Trump will have to do something.

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    • Tom says:

      Anyone who thinks this will become a shooting war hasn’t thought thru the logistics of the problem. I don’t care if China has 500 million men of martial age…they won’t be landing on US shores. Imagine the supply line…yeah. Not happening. Nor will we be landing in North Korea, same reasons.

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      • oldiadguy says:

        “they won’t be landing on US shores”

        They are already here. They are located in our government, industry and research facilities. Their students are scattered throughout our university system.

        China has port facilities on each end of the Panama Canal and can disrupt it or shut it down.

        Those artificial islands they are making are military bases and if armed with anti-ship missiles could limit our actions in the Pacific. (I know we could bomb the islands but at what cost?) Some of those artificial islands have what look to be harbors. Perhaps they plan to forward deploy some of their fast attack craft?

        The Chinese also wrote the book on Unrestricted Warfare or as it is better known as Asymmetrical Warfare in the late 1990’s.

        https://fas.org/nuke/guide/china/doctrine/unresw1.htm

        Whether this is an economic war or shooting war, it is going to be messy. I would start preparing folks.

        Take Care

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  22. Ploni says:

    There is nothing to fear.

    G-d Almighty can take down that godless nation whenever He wants.

    And He most certainly wants.

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  23. wondering999 says:

    While looking for something else at the library, a book on Jimmy Hoffa (by Dan Moldea) jumped off the shelf into my hands. This book included fascinating insights on a variety of topics from Kennedy to Nixon and the Teamsters.

    When I read about the vicious union wars of the 1970s, I was surprised. When the incidents described in Moldea’s book were actually happening (1970s) I don’t think I ever noticed what was going on (although I did read newspapers. I guess they just didn’t cover what was happening)

    Nixon’s moves towards China were most likely backed by other leaders who were trying to de-fang the tremendous power of the Teamsters and other unions. In the process that leadership eventually gave away the country.

    I’ve NEVER understood why labor unions and management would be opposed to each other instead of working WITH each other to reach a flourishing economy with everyone benefitting, not just one segment or another. This is one of the primary reasons why I went for Trump in the first place: I noticed that Trump had flourished in a union stronghold (NYC) and that he wasn’t averse to working WITH unions, but at the same time got things DONE. It’s remarkable to me

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    • Kroesus says:

      unions find their genesis in socialism/marxism of Karl Marx….they were a necessary evil in the late 1800’s and early in the 20th century but went far beyond being useful or beneficial to their membership after leadership found the collective dues as a path to their own political power

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      • wondering999 says:

        Except… in Germany, the unions benefit not only the rank and file workers but also the larger corporation. There was a different work ethic in that nation though… that may change as they accept more immigrants from outside their country, but in Germany and in Scandinavia, the unions didn’t rip off their members (as far as I know. I’m interested to hear more if I’m mistaken)

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      • wondering999 says:

        This article is NYT, so of course it’s to be taken with a grain of salt… but it describes, among other things, $20/hour Burger King employees in Denmark.

        The same influences who wanted to wreck the United States are doubtless eager to wreck Scandinavia (and maybe they’ve succeeded). It puzzles me. I’m someone who ENJOYS working most of the time, even low wage jobs, if the environment is compatible and my coworkers are pleasant. I just don’t get the whole class envy/warfare thing, certainly not as an inevitable fact of life

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  24. Ramona says:

    china clean up your dog slaughtering before any thing can be considered for you, I would never do any business with any country that is so mean and cruel

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  25. Top_10 says:

    Honestly, in the short run there will be some disruptions and higher prices on some items. Ultimately, however, a US based manufacturer will step in to fill the market void and outside vendors will be up sh*t’s creek without a paddle. I’ve watched for 20-30 years as everyone I knew would say, “There’s no choice, all manufacturing will go to China and there’s nothing we can do about it”. Funny, but it sure looks like it only takes political will and a rebalance of the trade parameters to throw that theory into the trash heap of history.

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  26. Donna in Oregon says:

    Wow. So many Death Star comments, I got scared for a minute. I thought this was an economic war? I don’t have a bunker, just a couple of extra cans of Spam and a can of dry shampoo. Time to splurge on cases of Dinty Moore Beef Stew and water like I did for the Y2K.

    There are some ways I’ve prepped myself for whatever happens. I have Jesus. I’ve read the Bible (many times). The last book is especially helpful.

    I believe Obama said it best, we have our guns and bibles. I’m good, I know where I’m going. 🙂

    P.S. We already have all the recipes for Chinese food. No worries.

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