The “Vast Russian Conspiracy” Was One of Two Available Narratives…

The Daily Caller has a good outline today showing how one of the people involved with the June 9th, 2016, Natalia Veselnitskaya meeting with Donald Trump Jr. was actually a U.S. State Department contracted employee.

(Via Daily Caller) […] Anatoli Samochornov, a Russia-born professional translator who worked as a part-time contractor for the State Department, worked with Veselnitskaya last year on an effort to roll back the Magnitsky Act, a law passed in 2012 which allows for sanctions against Russians accused of human rights abuses. (link)

As each day passes, and as more information is revealed, it looks increasingly likely the entire meeting on June 9th was being guided by purposeful construction.  Our early research into the motives behind the players involved appears to have been accurate.

Of course all oppositional entities who are antagonistic toward the president shout “conspiracy theory”.  However, the political motives are almost identical in construct to the 17 sexual harassment Trump accusers that mysteriously disappeared shortly after the election.

Having followed the deep weeds of politics for quite a while, here’s the most likely scenario.

Professional democrats are notorious for their creation of false outrage within political campaigns.  Mitt Romney’s binders of women, and 47% controversy are merely examples of nothingburgers thrown up against a politician not skilled enough to push back against the false narratives.

It is becoming increasingly clear that as soon as the Democrats saw Donald Trump was most likely going to win the GOP nomination (May 2016), they assembled their opposition research crews to build-out the best scandals for use in the general election.

The Russian Conspiracy scandal was one of the approaches; the ‘sexual harassment’ scandal was another.   Two ongoing attack angles both of which could be deployed depending on the consulting poll test results.

Not surprisingly the Clinton Team, which includes the Clinton media as revealed by WikiLeaks, decided to go with the “sexist”/”sexual harassment” angle.  It didn’t work.

It didn’t work, but they still had the “Russian’s support Trump” angle at the ready; so it was only a matter of a few phone calls to expand the narrative and put the wheels in motion to undermine, marginalize and disrupt…

If Team Clinton, writ large, had originally chosen the Russian angle for the general election it too would have failed. AND we would currently be bombarded with the sexual harassment accusations etc.  Both narratives were/are essentially interchangeable because ultimately the objectives of both were/are the same.

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410 Responses to The “Vast Russian Conspiracy” Was One of Two Available Narratives…

  1. PDQ says:

    they tried entrapment and it backfired.
    they could care less about his country – we matter little.
    my prayer is 100% exposure of all their dirty deeds and someone PLEASE prosecute to the fullest.

    Liked by 27 people

  2. whuptdue says:

    “…one of the people involved with the June 9th, 2016, Natalia Veselnitskaya meeting with Donald Trump Jr. was actually a U.S. State Department contracted employee.”

    Liked by 1 person

    • Coast says:

      An agency that’s so arrogant and corrupt that it’s willing to kill a President due to a tweet, is an agency that is an enemy of our republic. Schumer would not understand that concept.

      Liked by 3 people

  3. Guy Bee says:

    Where is the DOJ in all of this? Why are they no pursuing the Ukraine fiasco and prosecuting the obivious treasonous acts there?

    Liked by 3 people

    • huecowacko says:

      Been asking the same question. It appears to me that Obamarats are still in charge of key agencies, the deep state thrives, or maybe AG Sessions is in over his head.

      Liked by 3 people

      • Steve in Lewes says:

        …or maybe you are butthurt over something you have no clue about!
        you whine about the “Obamarats” but the same time complain about Sessions when you know damn well the dems are holding up many nominations; so do you want “Obamarats”
        running these investigation come hell or high water just to ease your butthurt!

        Liked by 3 people

        • b0yzero says:

          I agree with you, Steve. There is no shortage of impatient and ignorant fools out there who think of Jeff Session’s DOJ as some sort of Hawaii 5-0 organization that can turn out a conviction once a week. This level of channel-surfing cluelessness is astonishing.

          Liked by 1 person

        • scott467 says:

          “when you know damn well the dems are holding up many nominations; ”


          How is it that the dems are holding up ANY nominations?

          They are the MINORITY!

          Answer: Because McConnell WANTS them held up.

          If he didn’t, he could change the BS ‘rules’ to a 50+1 margin and ALL of the President’s appointees would be in TOMORROW, unless the treasonous Republicons were willing to expose themselves in the light of day by blocking the presidents’ nominees openly.

          McConnell can change the rule TODAY.

          But McConnell isn’t playing on our team, he plays for the Deep State, the CoC and the international corporate lobbyists, just like 90% of the lawless Congress does.


          Liked by 2 people

      • filia.aurea says:

        USAG Sessions is dealing with hundreds of Obama hold-overs. Replacing them takes time.


    • Steve in Lewes says:

      …and you know this how?
      Do you have inside info; if so please share or shut up!

      Liked by 1 person

      • huecowacko says:

        Actions/responses to date, friendo.

        Liked by 1 person

        • Steve in Lewes says:

          Pretty vague answer.
          Do you really expect the AG to come in a press conference to announce what he is doing or planning on doing?
          You do realize that these investigations take time; i.e. the press conf the other day regarding the Medicad fraud case started under Obama and took almost a year if not more; so you expect something within 5 months even considering the fact that we have no FBI director, the current acting AG, McCabe, is a Dem/Lib/BHO/HRC stooge; I don’t think you would want someone like that to spearhead an investigation for dem/lib malfeasance; would you?

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          • Bamalaker says:

            I was thinking about it this morning and I want Hillary et all perp walked just like everyone else. But we have to be very careful. If we put her through a trial 100 times bigger than OJ and then at the end they acquit her!! She would be a God to the left! Freaking untouchable!! Think about it. It could do so much damage to our cause and may be more trouble than it’s worth. As long as we can MAGA then Hillary can shrivel up in her home for all I care. And I’m sick of the people demanding Sessions start charging people. We have to be 100% sure we can actually get the conviction in the end or it’s not worth it. The man is getting things done that actually affect our families. A Hillary perp walk does not affect my family.

            Liked by 2 people

            • scott467 says:

              “And I’m sick of the people demanding Sessions start charging people. ”


              I am sorry you are sick of Americans demanding that people in high places who have committed grotesque abuses of the Law and our government for their own personal political and financial gain be held ACCOUNTABLE to the Law.

              Get used to it, because it’s NOT going away.


              We have to be 100% sure we can actually get the conviction in the end or it’s not worth it. The man is getting things done that actually affect our families. A Hillary perp walk does not affect my family.”


              A) just the things that are already KNOWN PUBLICLY and which she has ACKNOWLEDGED which are crimes are enough to get a conviction. Jay Sekulow (counsel to the president) has gone through the list many times. Again, just referring to the crimes that are KNOWN, the tip of the iceberg!

              B) restoring the confidence of the American People in the Rule of Law, EQUAL JUSTICE UNDER LAW, that DOES affect your family, and mine, and everyone else’s.

              Either we are a nation of LAW, or you and your family live in a JUNGLE where MIGHT makes RIGHT.

              A Republic or a Banana Republic.

              Which will you have?



  4. stillers213 says:

    With each new day we learn the names of new players involved which means more of a trail of evidence. Remember, the Uniparty only had from November to January to bleachbit most of DC. There were inevitably mistakes made and the truth will be exposed in due time. There are so many new conservative watchdog groups that have popped up over the last few years that someone will get to the bottom of it. They will need to watch their backs though.

    Liked by 1 person

  5. the ruester says:

    SD remember how there was a call from the media for women to step forward? Just like how earlier this year, the media made a call to deep state leakers to dump info? They don’t even try to hide it.

    Liked by 4 people

  6. georgiafl says:

    All the Russia, Russia, Russia is only serving to discredit media and fire up Trump supporters!

    Liked by 7 people

    • Flova says:

      This is bound to happen and the Left who always thinks they are omnipotent do not understand it. This will rev up the 64 million Trump voters even more. Its why Trump won.I say bring it on Dems.

      Liked by 9 people

    • Sentient says:

      Coulter wrote a good article a couple of weeks ago explaining that Trump’s supporters don’t care about that BS and will stick with him through thick and thin – the only exception being if he’s perceived as selling out to Wall Street.

      Liked by 3 people

    • Katefelinus says:

      Yes, “the Russians are coming, the Russians are coming” narrative is laughable and (yawn) so tiresome. The Dems always accuse their opposition of what they’re practicing: Alinsky/Lenin 101. The “Old Guard” (even the Botox isn’t working for them)who refuse to pass the baton to younger, more rational-minded members are oblivious to how they’re ruining their Party. Each time I have attended an event, support POTUS and an anti-Sharia (ACT for America) young, male millenials have approached me to learn more about the conservative message because the opposition ( a number of groups spewing insults – “intersectionalists”)has no message except hate. That has been very encouraging!

      Liked by 7 people

  7. Guffman says:

    Looking for russian collusion? How about this 2015 NYT article on the uranium deal and the Clinton Foundation?

    Liked by 15 people

    • LCSmom says:

      It should be repeated in every conversation about this Russia hoax – “If Russia is so bad, why did Hilary Clinton take so much money from them and also let them have control of a large percentage of the US uranium while she was secretary of state?”

      Liked by 5 people

    • cyn3wulf says:

      Bet NYT wishes they had that one back…


  8. JBrickley says:

    Now there are claims of an ex-Soviet KGB Spook was present at the meeting and that the Russians gave evidence of crooked DNC dirt. The Democrats ought to be careful because if this turns out to be true they will shoot themselves in the foot. It will reveal their own dirt…

    1. Meeting was in June prior to Trump even winning the nomination, DJT didn’t attend the meeting.
    2. Meeting lasted only 20 minutes which is a very short time after serving coffee and introductions
    3. Donald Jr says they were promised dirt but were the Russian only wanted to talk about repealing the Magnitsky Act. This doesn’t make a heck of a lot of sense in June as it wasn’t clear Trump would win.
    4. The Clinton Campaign did a whole lot worse than this quick meeting.
    5. Senator McCain and the Russian Dossier (prostitutes peeing on a bed once used by Obama in Russia), etc. Travel to Ukraine and Prague that never happened, etc., etc.
    6. If any of this Donald Jr meeting narrative is true, it still doesn’t matter. No laws were broken. Perhaps some lines were crossed but no money changed hands so nothing illegal occurred or even against campaign finance rules and laws. Collusion is nothing. Donald Jr is an amateur at politics and he certainly made a mistake taking this meeting. But it was a waste of time for him and that’s why they ended the meeting in 20min!

    I am so tired of this bull… I’ve switched off talk radio and news in general to only skim online and do my own research. This has been going on for nine months and if there was something there it would have been found by now.

    Liked by 10 people

    • martha e rainey says:

      I was asked to have a meeting by an acquaintance I knew from the 2013 Miss Universe pageant with an individual who I was told might have information helpful to the campaign. I was not told her name prior to the meeting. I asked Jared and Paul to attend, but told them nothing of the substance. We had a meeting in June 2016. After pleasantries were exchanged, the woman stated that she had information that individuals connected to Russia were funding the Democratic National Committee and supporting Ms. Clinton. Her statements were vague, ambiguous and made no sense. No details or supporting information was provided or even offered. It quickly became clear that she had no meaningful information. She then changed subjects and began discussing the adoption of Russian children and mentioned the Magnitsky Act. It became clear to me that this was the true agenda all along and that the claims of potentially helpful information were a pretext for the meeting. I interrupted and advised her that my father was not an elected official, but rather a private citizen, and that her comments and concerns were better addressed if and when he held public office. The meeting lasted approximately 20 to 30 minutes. As it ended, my acquaintance apologized for taking up our time. That was the end of it and there was no further contact or follow-up of any kind. My father knew nothing of the meeting or these events

      DJTJr’s statement above indicates that gal did put forth statements on Clinton funding directed to DNC at meeting but were “vague” and made no sense. then they spoke of Magnitsky. at the time it was issued i believe only Veseltskaya was in the crosshairs and he didn’t even know her name – so i assume the other attendees were not enumerated in advance either.


      • Virgo says:

        Maybe this has been noted before, but I assumed the subject of the meeting wasn’t important, just that there were foreign nationals present. From there, FISA surveillance can begin.

        However, I would have expected Trump Jr to go back to the meeting arranger to ask why the meeting was setup under a false pretext (to get info on the DNC campaign).


    • MVW says:

      It is all a crooked can of worms. For instance, Natalia Veselnitskaya might have been using the Trump meeting to leverage the Obama administration by the threat of unloading Clinton dirt to the Trumps. Then when the meeting took place, the whoever’s got what they wanted, proof they could have delivered the dirt.

      The point is that Washington, D.C. is a nasty town. Nothing is what it seems. And people die there or get shot on a base ball field.

      Liked by 1 person

    • mtkennedy21 says:

      I’m still interested in McCain’s role in all this. I suspect he had more of a part than we have seen thus far. Was this revenge for the “hero” remark by Trump? What is he doing ?


    • formerdem says:

      I think what SD and others are saying is that the true purpose of the meeting was to provide a pretext for Obama administration to then obtain a FISA warrant nominally around the Russian lady and thus, due the meeting, in effect around the Trump family, justifying surveillance of GOP nominee by Democrats, during and after the election season. Now we see how they roll.


  9. ivanthenuc says:

    All of this has only one purpose and that purpose has nothing to do with Russia or finding the truth or governing this nation. It has to do with money. It has to do with the corrupt liberals of both parties seeking to stop Trump and his agenda at any expense because there is little they will not do to maintain access to $5+ Trillion each and every year.
    They are doing everything they can to stall his agenda, push him off balance, keep the narrative off them and their misdeeds, keep their supporters riled up and not thinking, etc. It is all being done with the purpose of keeping Trump from making significant changes and cutting off their access to those beautiful taxpayer dollars.
    I saw this coming as soon as Trump won the election and you began hearing Russia in the media. If he made any mistakes, it was not pushing back even harder against them at that time and he needs to continue to do so now. He can’t let them set the narrative. Parry their thrusts and then attack, attack, attack to keep them off balance.

    Liked by 4 people

  10. Sentient says:

    Maybe the president should do a huge rally in Indiana to show the VP who has more support.

    Liked by 4 people

    • CountryclassVulgarian says:

      You really think the “VP” is doing anything the President is not aware of? You realize claiming the “VP” is undermining the President is a step short of saying the President does not know what is going on around him?

      Liked by 3 people

      • Sentient says:

        Not at all. The president can be fully aware, but what can he do? He can’t fire Pence from an elected position. At least not yet. Trump/Bannon 2020.


        • PNWLifer says:

          What can he do? Send him all over the world to places like Djibouti which is precisely what he would do if he thought Pence was a threat. Making Pence seem like he’s a threat is part of the plan. Pence is probably as clean as Trump or close to it. You think Pence can be bought by all these donors? Trump is telling him take all their money for your PAC and make sure they all know what your squeaky clean PAC is about. if anyone has “bought” Pence it is Trump. Trump and the Wolverines have probably set up some sort of trust for the Pence clan so they are set, rewarded for doing right by MAGA principles and won’t ever be vulnerable to the big money shenanigans of the Uniparty and globalists. And it would surely have a dissolution clause for a litany of violations. Think bigly please.


          • H.R. says:

            PNWLifer: “What can he do? Send him all over the world to places like Djibouti which is precisely what he would do if he thought Pence was a threat.”

            And I’d add that every that every retired dogcatcher and road-killed groundhog in America would be “honored by the presence Vice-President Pence” at their funerals.


      • Steve in Lewes says:

        I agree with you CCV; these people that want something done about Pence, Sessions, Rosenstein, who ever are thinking small ball. Any disruptions, in addition to the current hype on Russia, obstruction of nominees will just further the delay in getting things done.
        I for one believe this type of BS just plays right into the hands of the dems/libs/gope!

        Liked by 2 people

    • formerdem says:

      Trump is safe as long as Pence is there. Do not undermine Pence. The Democrats did not go after Nixon till Agnew was replaced by someone they liked better. The Democrats will not go after Trump so long as Pence is there. Do not weaken Pence. It is the way to hurt Trump, to weaken Pence.

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  11. TimeIsNow says:

    It’s obvious what needs to be done. Target the vulnerable NeverTrumpers in both the House and the Senate with electable alternatives in the primaries. This will take a build up of grass root supporters for PDJT in those areas.. This is the most important. If we can replace even a few of these so called Republicans with people who support the president’s agenda, it will have a great chill on the remaining Uniparty Republicans.

    Secoond, target vulnerable Leftists for replacement in the actual 2018 mid-term.

    Liked by 7 people

  12. Paco Loco says:

    There still is no there there! It’s all hype for headlines to smear the Trump’s. Unfortunately, the MSM will string this fake news story out until the rubes believe this twisted meme.

    What is really disappointing is that Jeff Sessions and the DoJ have done nothing to chase down the Clinton dirty tricks, the Clinton dirty money, and the real treachery involving Clinton and her minions and how they compromised national security. The Mueller investigation will be the real witch hunt and there’s no doubt that it will target the Trump Whitehouse, family and supporters looking for more dirt to sling.

    The biggest fault in Trumps presidency has been that he believed in some level of fairness that doesn’t exist in Washington. This is “bloodsport” for the insiders who are threatened by Trumps bravado and fear that he will gain sufficient power to upset their apple cart. Flynn demise in the first days of the administration was an easy take down because Pense gave DJT bad advise. The swamp wants to see more heads on the pike, and a crippled Whitehouse that’s always on the defensive.

    Unless Trump forcefully takes action to fight back, nails Clinton and the Dems for their treachery, we can expect the Trump “takedown” to continue for four years.

    Liked by 3 people

    • Windy Day says:

      Actually, I believe the opposite is happening. The longer the media strings this along, the less people believe it because they can clearly see that there’s no there there! It’s just blowhard accussations without a shred of evidence and people are beginning to scoff and laugh at this overblown dog and pony show. So the continuation of this narrative isn’t destroying Trump, it’s destroying the media.

      Liked by 5 people

  13. Texmom says:

    Why is Drudge writing sensational headlines on this stuff, linking to WP, etc? He’s been like the Daily Beast lately.

    Liked by 6 people

    • Paco Loco says:

      Drudge has become a Swamp dweller and a purveyor of links to nevertrump news media. He is no longer a conservative.

      Liked by 13 people

    • PNWLifer says:

      Drudge exists for one reason. To instill fear in our psyches. To create negative energy. To make you doubt. To squash your spirit. This is nothing new!!! While there may be some positives in the headlines there from time to time, the vast majority of links are to negative stories.

      This isn’t unique to Drudge. The nightly news has been like this our entire lives (awful story, scary story, stressful story, crime story, natural disaster story, and 30-45 seconds of something to warm your heart so you will tune back in again tomorrow.

      Once you look at these things through the lense of creating fear it’s so obvious that it’s easy to disregard it. Well for most people who choose to be aware it is.

      One of the reasons we all love Sundance is that he is all about rejecting the fear. Of course, there are even people here so programmed to fear that they post them regularly.


    • Skip Drudge. Go to this new patriot Drudge site instead.
      Drudge is a coagulation site. He only cares for ratings. It was DJT who got him his audience to start off with. Tell everyone of FB and Twitter to go to this site, and to ditch Drudge.

      We are at war. At the moment, this is a battle for people’s minds. You too are part of it. Go do your duty. Ditch Drudge. Let him know where you stand by ditching him, and offer up this new patriotic “pro American” site instead.

      The ball is in your court, not Drudge’s. Take steps, be active, and fix your problems yourself.


      Liked by 2 people

    • luke says:

      Currently it is the liberal slant that is more hungry for news. Compare it to conservatives after Obama winning the election. It also explains why Maddow’s rating have jumped.

      Drudge is going for clicks I’m afraid. It could have an alternative effect by exposing liberals to some conservative dogma mixed in with the nonsense. Here’s to me hoping just as I hope Trump, Sessions, Rosenstein, etc have got this.

      Liked by 1 person

    • formerdem says:

      I think he has hired a new staff member, just a theory, who is trying to be Drudge but his heart is elsewhere. I am trying day to day to see which days are Drudge and which are the ringer. I do not know why Drudge cannot see the difference. Maybe he is tired.

      Liked by 1 person

  14. TwoLaine says:

    I am correct. Comey allegedly started spying in Jun 2016, the same month as this meeting. BINGO.

    ‘FBI may not have been as independent as they portrayed themselves’
    18 May 2017

    “WASHINGTON – Lost in all the hubbub and furor over President Trump’s firing of James Comey is that the former FBI director never complied with key a request from the House Intelligence Committee.

    A March 15 letter from Chairman Devin Nunes, R-Calif., and ranking member Adam Schiff, D-Calif., to the chiefs of the CIA, FBI and NSA essentially asks for any evidence that the Obama administration requested surveillance information on the Trump and/or Clinton presidential campaigns.

    One agency did not respond: the FBI.

    The bureau has thus far provided just a smattering of a response.

    The letter asks questions about “unmasking,” the revealing of names within the intelligence community of U.S. citizens whose communications were monitored during foreign surveillance.

    It asks the spy agencies who the administration was surveilling, who asked for and shared the information on those people, and why.”

    Read more:

    I think we all know why they stonewalled. So they could bury all the info in the non-existent BHO library, and blame everything on President TRUMP.

    Liked by 4 people

    • TwoLaine says:

      My prior post is stuck in wp.


    • Ber Knar says:

      Did Nunes see some special unmasked names back when this all started?

      Liked by 1 person

    • Steve in Lewes says:

      Yep and this:
      “…Comey testified before the House Intelligence Committee on March 20, that the FBI began that investigation in July 2016. He testified that he should have notified Congress of such an investigation in a quarterly report. But he further testified that he did not notify Congress of that investigation until March 2017, eight months later. He did not explain the delay, and no one thought to ask him.”

      Comey’s response to Rep. Stevanik (spell?) question; something about sensitivity or other BS!

      Liked by 2 people

      • TwoLaine says:

        He may have “begun” an “investigation” in July, but he, and/or someone else, said the spying began, at the very least, in June 2016.

        I’m sure they were already poring over his tax returns, etc. You can bet they weaponized every department they possibly could.

        Yeah, his lame “sensitivity” excuse. Sensitive to his career maybe. He’s so “sensitive” he claims he has to write down everything the President says to him.

        That fact that we are investigating a firing of anyone who President TRUMP can fire at will, for no reason at all, is the BIGGEST FARCE OF ALL, and the American people KNOW it!

        Liked by 2 people

    • ray76 says:

      People must be prosecuted. Comey among them.

      Liked by 1 person

  15. jeans2nd says:

    08 Sep 2016
    “When I worked for (Bill) Clinton, Clinton called me and said, ‘I want to get Yeltsin elected as president of Russia against Gennady Zyuganov, who was the communist who was running against him. Putin was Zyuganov’s major backer.”

    “It became public that Clinton would meet with me every week. We would review the polling that was being done for Yeltsin that was being done by a colleague of mine, who was sending it to me every week. We, Clinton and I, would go through it and Bill would pick up the hotline and talk to Yeltsin and tell him what commercials to run, where to campaign, what positions to take. He basically became Yeltsin’s political consultant.”

    This other article and the links provided offer more insight.

    Liked by 2 people

    • ray76 says:

      Clinton, Democrats, and the Atlantic Council have invested a great deal of time and money in getting their people installed in Ukraine. They will do everything possible to preserve that investment. Fusion GPS, Russia Russia Russia, McCain’s dirty dossier, and so forth are means to that end.

      Former member of the Ukrainian parliament Victor Pinchuk sits on the Advisory Board of the Atlantic Council. He has donated between $10 million and $25 million to the Clinton Foundation.$10,000,001+to+$25,000,000 He has lent his private plane to the Clintons. In 2011 he traveled to Los Angeles to attend Mr. Clinton’s star-studded 65th birthday celebration. –

      In other words the Clintons and Pinchuk, and by extension the Atlantic Council, are closely tied.

      Persons connected to the Atlantic Council have played a key roles in the Russia Narrative.

      Dmitri Alperovitch (Crowdstrike) is a fellow at the Atlantic Council. Alperovitch made the claim that the DNC e-mail systems were hacked by Russia, a claim later largely retracted but which lives on.

      Evelyn Farkas is a fellow at the Atlantic Council. Farkas participated in and inadvertently explained the Obama administration’s program of unmasking and leaking.

      Irena Chalupa is a fellow at the Atlantic Council. Her sister Alexandra “Ali” Chalupa worked in the White House Office of Public Liaison during the Bill Clinton administration, was a DNC staffer and consultant, and a foreign policy advisor to Hillary Clinton’s 2016 campaign. The Chalupas have been prime movers in the Russia Narrative. They were responsible for the ouster of Paul Manafort (because of his “Russia Connection” work for Yanukovych – remember that name), coordinated large scale twitter campaigns such as #TreasonousTrump, and promoted the dirty dossier.

      The Atlantic Council partnered with Ukrainian natural gas company Burisma Group to develop natural gas – and promote EU integration. –

      To accomplish this the Democrat controlled US government deposed Ukrainian president Viktor Yanukovych and installed Petrovych Yatsenyuk.

      Listen to Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland discuss in February 2014 who to install once they’ve ousted Viktor Yanukovych –

      Toward the end of Nuland’s call she mentions the need for VP Biden’s support. Watch what happens:

      * April 2014 Biden visits Ukraine and pledges to Yatsenyuk (Nuland’s choice) $50M in aid for Ukraine –

      * May 2014 Biden’ son Hunter Biden is appointed to Burisma board. –

      Boom. 1-2-3. Mission accomplished in four months.

      Listen to Nuland explain to the US-Ukraine Foundation ( how the U.S. has spent $5 billion in Ukraine – (note the Chevron logo).

      Energy & fortunes.

      Deep state’s penchant for nation building combined with Clinton’s whoring for money enabled the Ukrainian tail to wag the US dog.

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  16. TwoLaine says:

    I want to know why Russian Americans are not standing up and saying this isn’t fair, you are painting all of us with the same brush, this is racist, xenophobic, etc….. IF it were any other nationality they would have trotted out the oppositional voices against tarring and feathering a whole nation of innocent people on the basis of a few possible bad apples.


  17. TwoLaine says:

    Someone said that in June TRUMP Had not won the primary yet. While technically that may be correct, you can’t be official until the convention, but it was KNOWN that he would win after the Indiana R Primary on 3 May 2016. That was the death knell day for ALL “contenders”, and is when the DIMs/UNIParty shifted into high gear to shut him down come h311 or high water.


      • TwoLaine says:

        Vigo, still setting the bar!

        “Trump also won in Vigo County, home to Terre Haute and a noted bellwether; it has voted for the winner of every presidential election all but twice since 1892.”

        Liked by 2 people

    • oldiadguy says:

      “It seems quite probable that as Trump moved closer to the presidency in the early months of 2016, alarm bells started to go off in the FBI and the CIA, as the relevance of business partnerships with Sater and reliance on capital out of the former Soviet Union suddenly became dramatically more relevant. Again, as I said, as long as Donald Trump was just Donald Trump this didn’t matter that much. There’s plenty of dirty money sloshing around the New York real estate world. But when it started to seem plausible that he might become the next President, this would start to be a matter of great concern.”

      Liked by 1 person

      • TwoLaine says:

        “Mr. Lauria brokered a $50 million investment in Trump SoHo and three other Bayrock projects by an Icelandic firm preferred by wealthy Russians “in favor with” President Vladimir V. Putin, according to a lawsuit against Bayrock by one of its former executives.”

        Whoa, stop the presses. A $50 million investment? What is that? An apartment or two, maybe three? The penthouse? Puh-lease.

        And to call it an “investment” is horribly misleading, probably on purpose. Buying an apartment or two, is an investment, for the person who bought it, especially in NYC. ANYONE who is ANYONE knows that.

        Once again, this is a farce. Everyone who sells real estate sells to international clients all the time. R.I.D.I.C.U.L.O.U.S.!

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        • oldiadguy says:

          I agree that 50 million in New York real estate is a very small sum, but you missed the point about Salvatore Lauria. Lauria should not have been anywhere near the project, he was a convicted felon (fraud). You may wish to do some research on Lauria, he is a colorful character.

          “He was not the only F.B.I. informant (the other was Sater) in Bayrock’s offices. Another was Salvatore Lauria, an associate of Mr. Sater, who sometimes showed up to work wearing a court-ordered ankle monitor.”

          Here is some more on the Icelandic Company and why it’s involvement is important.

          “The Icelandic company, FL Group, was identified in a Bayrock investor presentation as a “strategic partner,” along with Alexander Mashkevich, a billionaire once charged in a corruption case involving fees paid by a Belgian company seeking business in Kazakhstan; that case was settled with no admission of guilt.”

          The last addresses jeans2nd question about why there was no prosecution.

          “And hovering over it all was a criminal investigation, previously unreported, by the Manhattan district attorney into whether the fraud alleged by the condo buyers broke any laws, according to documents and interviews with five people familiar with it. The buyers initially helped in the investigation, but as part of their lawsuit settlement, they had to notify prosecutors that they no longer wished to do so.
          The criminal case was eventually closed.”

          There is much more out there to learn if you are willing to look.

          Take care


      • jeans2nd says:

        That TPM is filled with much supposition and inferences. There is one obvious question – why was DJT not charged?

        If everything Josh Marshall claims is true, which is doubtful, DJT should have been taken out shortly after 15 June 2015 by Loretta Lynch. If the FBI/CIA could not find anything prosecutable by now and TPM is true, then the FBI/CIA have bigger probs to remedy.

        Why was nothing done? The Bushes and Clintons have been trying for over two years. Odds are they will not give up. This is just a big pressure campaign on the Congressional GOPe to accept impeachment. smh

        Re: TwoLaine – The NeverTrumpers had started an all-out war bewteen June and Aug 2016 to have electors change their minds at the convention. No one was certain DJT would truly be nominated.

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        • TwoLaine says:

          I remember their bullcrap well, that didn’t mean it wasn’t going anywhere. It was all bluff. I knew, and so did a lot of other people that there was NOTHING That was getting in his way. 🙂

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        • oldiadguy says:

          “That TPM is filled with much supposition and inferences.”

          Sadly, the same can be said about the new CTH. The old CTH was much more fact orientated.

          “There is one obvious question – why was DJT not charged? ”

          Two possible reasons. The first there was insufficient evidence at that time to win a conviction.

          The second is that the investigation was an intelligence operation that is still ongoing.

          Wait, there is a third option. I’ve read at a number of far right sites who have claimed that Trump is already under control of the Deep State and all the claims about draining the swamp is an act.

          The fact is Trump associated with many sketchy characters over the years and wasn’t concerned about the origin of the money they brought into the project.

          I don’t know why the Never Trumpers didn’t use the information against Trump. My guess is the Federal inquiries into Trumps past business dealings and associates were just kicking off and they didn’t have any details to use against him.

          Take Care

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          • georgiafl says:


            Your suppositions are just as much suppositions as the Media’s suppositions.
            We have no way of investigating the evidence you have or your own credentials.

            Why don’t you write the DOJ with your evidence and suppositions, and ask Mueller to investigate them?

            That is what you should do and all you can do.



            • georgiafl says:

              Better yet, make an appointment and go to the DOJ in person.


            • oldiadguy says:

              “Why don’t you write the DOJ with your evidence and suppositions, and ask Mueller to investigate them?”

              No need to, it appears that Mueller is already going down these roads as indicated by the attorneys he is bringing on board. My intention is to make all aware that this material is our there since there are two opposing story lines.

              As far as my own credentials, they are irrelevant to the facts referenced in the articles I linked. That being said, I have posted a number of times about my background and training, on one occasion I met with another Treeper during the Michael Brown drama. Later, during another dispute, in response to a couple of Treepers who were challenging my “credentials” I posted a rather detailed description of my past activities as an IA investigator, even linking an article that exposed the depth of my involvement in investigating corruption within my own agency. I am not going to repeat it now, but BigMamaTEA may remember it as she chastised the two involved.

              I am sorry if I am upsetting you, but sometimes learning the truth can be painful.

              Take care and have a Blessed Day


              • georgiafl says:

                Old IAD Guy, I do not think the Sater relationship was as significant, long term, indicative, pervasive, extensive as you evidently do.


                • oldiadguy says:

                  My review of the known facts leads me to believe otherwise. The more I look into the Sater connection, the more I believe he may be the 800 pound (Russian) gorilla in the room.

                  I guess we will have to agree to disagree.

                  Take care and have a Blessed day


                • oldiadguy says:

                  I stumbled across the following video after I sent my previous comment. Until I saw this video, I was unaware that Sater was Jewish and has connections to the same Chabad-Lubavitch movement as Charles Kushner, Jared Kushner’s father. Small world.

                  The video does not involve Trump, but does go into Sater’s work with the intelligence community. Also, it shows that Sater is an effective speaker, and possibly a good witness.

                  An interesting note is that none of the links that Sater placed on this page work.

                  This is FYI only


          • jeans2nd says:

            From all that i read, your second reason may be the most correct. There seems to have been, and still is, an ongoing investigation into DJT and every single thing DJT has ever done in his life, including extended family and kids.

            Yes, DJT was prob involved w/guys of dubious character. So is everyone else, sadly. They all seem to end up as elected U.S. government officials (would that Obama’s past had been brought to light).

            And yet, DJT seems to be fighting everyone, including the so-called Deep State. Note – seems to be. Stopping the flow of their money has never been tried, as far as I know. Is worth a try.
            Old CTH did seem to be more fact based. And yet, the investigative posts are pure research, comments notwithstanding. And many more ppl read here now. That is a good thing. Besides, doing real research again is fun (for me, anyway).
            Thx for bothering to reply.

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            • oldiadguy says:

              I’m hoping that the second reason I suggested is the correct one, however, while out walking the girls, I thought about the third reason. I put myself in the place of a Deep State leader and examined the possibility of controlling Trump through the information they may have obtained and then using Trump to accomplish the goals of the Deep State. To be frank, I scared myself with the possible outcomes. The third reason is definitely on the table for me, however, I don’t want to elaborate further so as not to upset some of the gentle souls here.

              The old CTH is a different animal than the new CTH and upheld the motto, Truth has no Agenda. Today, not so much.

              Thank you for having an open mind and for the conversation.

              Take Care

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              • jeans2nd says:

                Speaking from my personal experience, option #3 never worked on me, although many have tried. As for DJT, cannot say. Have to think about that.
                Thx for the idea.

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              • jeans2nd says:

                oldiadguy – you still around?
                Today’s scandalous Trump headline – “White House admits that Donald Trump had a second meeting with Vladimir Putin at G20”

                Knowing these kind of pull-asides would be available to Putin should DJT be elected, why would Putin risk lobbying Don Jr. for a bunch of Russian oligarchs before DJT had secured the GOP nomination? Why not wait and lobby for Magnitsky Act at a meeting like this? After all, both Clintons were already on record opposing the Magnitsky Act. Only DJT was the unknown.

                Odd random thought – good on DJT for pulling off a second Putin face-to-face, and keeping it quiet for 11 whole days.

                Another odd random thought – Iranian sanctions were passed today in Congress. Not reported – there were more Russia sanctions attached to that bill. Why were those not reported as well?

                Further, it has been said Putin preferred HR Clinton, as she was predictable. DJT was not Putin’s choice, as DJT was so unpredictable and thus a bigger risk. (my preference is unruly, but am exceedingly fond of incorrigible)

                There is something missing here on which I cannot put my finger, and that is not for lack of trying. Unresolved questions, the bain of my life. Why would Putin do something so universally stupid as to approach Don Jr on 3 Jun 2016?

                The initial question still remains – how did the NY Times reporter obtain the Don Jr emails a year prior?


                • oldiadguy says:

                  I’m still around, but spending a lot of time researching the shooting in Minneapolis from the other day.

                  First, we don’t know for a fact Putin was involved in the Don Jr. meeting. If he was involved, it appears that he placed third parties between himself and the target, giving himself plausible deniability.

                  Another possibility is that Putin knows that Congress will not repeal the law so Putin was going to extract some revenge on the US for it’s meddling in elections around the globe.

                  Take Care

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                • jeans2nd says:

                  thx. found more, placing it below.


      • TwoLaine says:

        And as to Fort Lauderdale, I suggest investors read the find print before they buy and then try to sue. They obviously had Nancy Pelosi disease. Good try anyway.


        • oldiadguy says:

          Also, from the article you linked.

          “It was among several Trump-branded projects that tanked — including projects in California, Mexico and Tampa — and prompted lawsuits from disgruntled investors who lost millions of dollars in deposits.”

          I thought everything Trump touched was golden. Seriously, you may want to research the specifics on how Trump licenses his name. It will make interesting reading. Then there is this from another Florida paper.

          “Last week, anti-Trump ads on television focused on his ties to Felix Sater, an executive on the Fort Lauderdale project who was once jailed for stabbing a man with a broken margarita glass in a barroom fight. In another case, Sater pleaded guilty to defrauding stock investors of $40 million with members of the Gambino crime family.

          “Trump entrusted convicts to help him run his company,” states the ad by American Future Fund. “Who would he entrust to run the country?”

          The issue of Felix Sater is a ticking time bomb for Trump. Trump denies remembering him, but there is a considerable body of evidence that proves the contrary.

          Take Care


          • georgiafl says:

            “It was among several Trump-branded projects that tanked — including projects in California, Mexico and Tampa — and prompted lawsuits from disgruntled investors who lost millions of dollars in deposits.”
            What came of the law suits? What did the courts decide? Did Trump Corp. have to pay fines or repay investors?

            Re: Sater – How long was Trump associated with him?
            Have other Trump associations ever been dissolved due to dissatisfaction with ethics?


          • georgiafl says:

            Old IAD Guy,

            This business of Trump’s short term association with Sater reminds me of a Police force having a bad officer. Would the Chief or Commissioner necessarily need to be removed because of one bad cop or precinct was caught doing something dirty?

            You do know real estate deals don’t get done and sky scrapers don’t get built in NYC without doing deals with mob-owned businesses like building waste collection and union entities, partisan city officials and building inspectors expecting kick backs, right?


          • TwoLaine says:

            I am familiar with how he licenses his name. I already knew about these disgruntled “investors” with Nancy Pelosi disease, and they’ve already been defeated by the law.

            IF they had anything on him it would’ve been used long before now. Haters will always hate< and saying things about someone does not make it so.


            • oldiadguy says:

              “I am familiar with how he licenses his name. I already knew about these disgruntled “investors” with Nancy Pelosi disease, and they’ve already been defeated by the law.”

              Inferring that individuals that lost their investment in the project and later lost their civil case because of a clause Trump had placed in the contract, as having “Nancy Pelosi disease” says more about yourself than the plaintiffs.

              “IF they had anything on him it would’ve been used long before now.”

              Who says the Deep State isn’t using the information they have on Trump to control his actions and/or decisions?

              “Haters will always hate< and saying things about someone does not make it so."



  18. CountryclassVulgarian says:

    While we talk about the demonrats let us not forget that John Mc Traitor and UniParty republicans are eye deep in this too.

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  19. F16hoser says:

    Watch the “Clinton Chronicles” and/or “JFK to 911, Rich Mans Trick.”
    Read: “Dereliction of Duty.” These are Life Altering, Factual accounts, of the truth never told…


  20. billinlv says:

    What Mr. Gorman is saying is essential for reestablishing the rule of law and demonstrating that everyone is indeed equal under the law. If this does not happen, then we will know that the fix is (still) in and that our slide into the abyss will not be slowed or interrupted.

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  21. jjs says:

    I keep going back to Wisconsin and what we went through after the left and Wisconsin deep state lost. Walker was almost pushed out of office by conspiracy, left corruption and made up stuff. They also went after our supreme court trying to illegally take over that branch of government.

    They lost it all because people could see through it no matter what the Media was telling us to think. I believe the same will happen for Trump – he will be set free after the 2018 elections and Dem’s loss big again. As in Wisconsin, we came to realize that the left is evil after all was said and done.

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  22. b0yzero says:

    “It’s absurd and a sign of fear…that no Dems…have yet been indicted…” You are a fool, Richard, if you really think this way. What is absurd is when people fail to see the bigger picture as you have. The arrests will come; however, timing is everything. It is absurd to think that any of this will happen prior to President Trump’s Cabinet being fully installed. This is not a television show where the plot is all wrapped up just in time for your pizza to be pulled out of the oven.

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  23. singingsoul says:

    Trump will not touch Hillary be


    • singingsoul says:

      Ups post got away
      I assume because of friendship between the daughter. I am sure if it comes douwn to it Trump would put American interest first.
      The time is not right to much needs to get done.


  24. reenahovermale says:

    Has anyone seen the TIME magazine cover. They can KISS MY GRITS. Red handed? This goes beyond fake news and right into libel, I would think.


  25. SharkFL says:

    Really great Rush Limbaugh shows this past Wed and Thurs (July 12 and 13) with extensive, humorous discussion of this bogus story about the Russian “honey pot.” So funny, plus great analysis. Search Youtube for ‘rush limbaugh’ where you can listen to every show commercial free, same goes for all talk radio shows.


  26. jeans2nd says:

    Following links from Clarice Feldman’s article this a.m.

    Following links, one finds
    9 June 2016 Hillary Clinton’s hawkish position on Russia troubles both sides of aisle

    23 Jul 2016

    5 Aug 2016 6 questions every voter should ask about Donald Trump’s bizarre relationship with Russia
    From the Hillary Clinton website

    8 Aug 2016 Democrats’ Tactic of Accusing Critics of Kremlin Allegiance Has Long, Ugly History in U.S.
    Glenn Greenwald

    The Greenwald Intercept article is particularly revealing.
    You seem correct about May 2016, and prob earlier, as this was well into high gear by June 2016.

    There is a link between Clinton and Azerbaijan I put in the Open Thread earlier today, which prob should have gone here. There are several Clinton WikiLeaks emails that discuss Clinton’s trip/mtg w/Azerbaijan Pres, daughter of whom was married to Emin Agalarov, whose publicist contacted Don Jr. for the lobbying mtg, and whose father was discussed in the Trump Dossier (pg 27).

    To Azerbaijan, add
    “Stephen Zunes, Foreign Police In Focus – Senator Hillary Clinton has opposed restrictions on U.S. arms transfers and police training to governments that engage in gross and systematic human rights abuses. Indeed, she has supported unconditional U.S. arms transfers and police training to such repressive and autocratic governments as Egypt, Morocco, Saudi Arabia, Oman, Pakistan, Equatorial Guinea, Azerbaijan, Cameroon, Kazakhstan, and Chad, just to name a few. She has also refused to join many of her Democratic colleagues in signing a letter endorsing a treaty that would limit arms transfers to countries that engage in a consistent pattern of gross and systematic human rights violations.”

    The Stephen Zunes, Foreign policy in Focus link no longer works.
    Apologies for length; feel free to delete.


    • jeans2nd says:

      Apologies if this is a duplicate of another person’s comment. Too many comments to sort through.
      The Washington Post lied. Proof –

      28 July 2016 “when Congress pushed through the 2012 Magnitsky Act, placing travel and banking sanctions on certain Russian officials deemed to be corrupt or human rights violators, Moscow’s furious response was a law banning adoptions of Russian children by Americans.”

      lie, right here -> “Clinton had said little about the act,

      and the White House had at first tried to deflect it.”

      That is a lie.

      “Speaking Fees Meet Politics for Clintons”
      Paywall –

      “In December 2015, The Wall Street Journal reported that Hillary Clinton opposed the Magnitsky Act while serving as secretary of state. Her opposition coincided with Bill Clinton giving a speech in Moscow for Renaissance Capital, a Russian investment bank—for which he was paid $500,000. “Mr. Clinton also received a substantial payout in 2010 from Renaissance Capital””

      “The State Department opposed the sanctions bill at the time”
      ““A few weeks later, Bill Clinton participated in a question-and-answer session at a Renaissance Capital investors conference. He was paid $500,000. After the appearance, Mr. Clinton received a personal thank-you call from Vladimir Putin”

      From Podesta email via WikiLeaks –
      “- With the help of the research team, we killed a Bloomberg story trying to link HRC’s opposition to the Magnitsky bill to a $500,000 speech that WJC gave in Moscow.”

      That is why the Russian lobbyist did not bother lobbying Clinton. Clinton was already onboard.

      Am losing track of where to put these, will just put on the latest post. Gonna hafta drag out pic of Revenge Cat pretty soon.

      Clinton sent the lobbyist, through the Emin kid, to nail Don Jr/DJT on Russia conspiracy.
      Every Fake News is now making up their own conspiracy theory. That is why this is so hard to follow. And they say we are nuts. Pfffft.

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      • jeans2nd says:

        The reverse could also be true – that Putin sent the lobbbyist to Don Jr. to lobby for reversal of the Magnitsky Act. Knowing Clinton was on board already, Putin could have been covering both candidates.

        That is more unlikely. Putin knows full well the historic hatred of Russia, and specifically Putin, by the State Dept and the Neo-Cons.

        It is more likely that this was Clinton, especially given the time frame. imo, of course -.-

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        • oldiadguy says:

          “Knowing Clinton was on board already, Putin could have been covering both candidates.”

          That has been my suspicion all along. If you want to win, play both sides. Also, Putin already had connections and possibly hooks into Trump through cutouts, the oligarchs.

          The Mueller investigation is going where I expected it to go.

          “FBI investigators and others are looking at Russian purchases of apartments in Trump buildings, Trump’s involvement in a controversial SoHo development with Russian associates, the 2013 Miss Universe pageant in Moscow and Trump’s sale of a Florida mansion to a Russian oligarch in 2008, the person said.”

          Mueller is hiring specialist in the fields of fraud and financial crimes. He also brought on an attorney who is a constitutional specialist regarding Presidential powers.

          Here is an article of Trump’s interview with NYT reporters.

          It appears the NYT recorded the interview. Here are transcripts of the highlights.

          I wish Trump would learn to discipline himself. Stop talking about Russia, Comey and the investigation. I also believe that Trump would set himself up for credible obstruction of justice charge and possible impeachment if Trump fires Mueller. Trump needs to focus on one thing and one thing only, POLICY.

          Take Care

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          • jeans2nd says:

            If one has read through all the links i have, it is obvious Clinton had already investigated all DJT’s real estate dealings, and fully intended to hit DJT on that loophole in the Patriot Act. Mueller prob has all Clinton’s work already.

            The link to the Russia stuff w/Don Jr. is that translator guy, the one who worked for Clinton and prob Samantha Powers/Obama at the UN. Is mind-boggling how much evil this ppl are able to accomplish.

            Hope the Somali cop investigation goes better. That guy looks to be in deep trouble. Thx for the links, interesting, and yet one suspects another hit job.


  27. jeans2nd says:

    17 Jul 2016

    Rinat Akhmetshin, Azerbaijan connection
    “Congressional lobbying records list other clients for Akhmetshin — for example, the Azeri Democracy Initiative Foundation, registered in 2006 and 2007.”

    “In an e-mail response to RFE/RL, Akhmetshin denied that he ever worked for Soviet military intelligence, something he would have had to declare when he applied for U.S. citizenship.”

    Also a connection to Open Dialog Foundation, Potomac Square Group, Seymour Hersh, and a bunch of others. Hersch was promoting the film, story, and screening against the Magnitsky Act, which was also the subject of the Don Jr mtg.

    “At the end of the screening of the nearly two-hour film, organizers planned a discussion moderated by Seymour Hersh…Hersh explained to RFE/RL that he had seen the film a few months prior at Akhmetshin’s behest…Hersh said he knew Akhmetshin through mutual acquaintances. He said he had allowed Akhmetshin to park “a couple” of antique motorcycles in the driveway of his Washington-area home”

    Daily Beast article, 18 May 2016, on the lobbying effort.

    “The Obama administration, which treats Russia as a kind of frenemy that’s potentially useful in some areas even when it’s criminal in others, has enforced the law only fitfully”

    Browder “Now permanently based in London”
    “Open Dialog Foundation, a Poland-based NGO, from a man named Anatoli Samochornov…former project manager at the Meridian International Center, a subcontracted nonprofit hired by the U.S. State Department…served as an interpreter at “high level UN and private sector meetings for the Secretary of State and other VIPs…
    was also apparently a “program officer” at the FBI’s field office in New York, according to an FBI press release “Following the introduction by Program Officer Anatoli Samochornov.
    Rohrbacher was not alone in receiving those Russian Magnitsky papers. “four U.S. representatives took part in a congressional delegation to Moscow, they were given a letter marked confidential””

    And today’s Daily Beast article, which apparently has a massive case of amnesia (altho dementia is strongly suspected).
    are we close yet?

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  28. jeans2nd says:

    Realizing that no one has interest in this now, except obviously me, nevertheless, there is another Azerbaijan connection which further explains the principal’s present-day, and recent past, actions. Perhaps it is that everyone knew of this, save me.

    Operation Timber Sycamore
    Under the direction of Gen David Petraeus

    Azerbaïdjan, under President Heydar Aliyev, from 1997 to 2001 hosted in Bakou the number 2 of Al-Qaïda, Ayman el-Zawahiri. This was done at the request of the CIA. Although officially wanted by the FBI, the man who was then the number 2 of the international jihadist network travelled regularly in NATO planes to Afghanistan, Albania, Egypt and Turkey. He also received frequent visits from Prince Bandar ben Sultan of Saudi Arabia.

    Heydar Aliyev died in the United States in 2003, and was succeeded by his son Ilham Aliyev. The USA-Azerbaïdjan Chamber of Commerce thus moved into Washington’s backyard, with, alongside President Aliyev, stood Richard Armitage, James Baker III, Zbigniew Brzeziński, Dick Cheney, Henry Kissinger, Richard Perle, Brent Scowcroft and John Sununu.

    In less than three years, Silk Way Airlines (Azerbaijan’s national airlines) transported at least one billion dollars’ worth of armament.

    The arms transported to Afghanistan were delivered to the Talibans, under the control of the US.

    Apparently Ajerbaijan became a recalcitrant oil partner, withdrawing from the Nabucco West Pipeline on 26 June 2013, and needed an infusion of “democracy.”

    In case this is all not perfectly clear, the Clinton collective and contributing partners saw that DJT was going to be a problem. The two narratives were set up, with the wymyn angle being tried first. The lobbyist, who had been allowed into the U.S., was already lobbying with the U.N./State Dept Russian translator guy, who also was engaged in “exporting democracy” to Azerbaijan. Enter the Don Jr. meeting.

    It is exceeding difficult for one such as i to elucidate the workings of the criminal (read evil) mind. However, this one seems fairly cut and dried.


  29. jeans2nd says:

    Some oddities –

    The Times story first appeared on 8 Jul 2017.
    One month prior – 10 Jun 2017 –
    “Judge Jeanine Pirro interviews Donald Trump Jr. about why he has decided to take a lead position in pushing back against the insufferable ‘muh Russian conspiracy’.”

    Apparently Rob Goldstone had a bit of a rep during the 80s while living in Australia.
    The secret Sydney life of Donald Trump jr’s wheeler dealer Rob Goldstone
    Goldstone appears to be a good-time-charlie way past his prime, trying to reclaim his glory days, and perhaps a nice wad of cash as well.

    The initial triad of Times’ articles appeared 08, 09, and 10 Jul 2017. The first two Times’ articles’ authors are Jo Becker, Matt Apuzzo, and Adam Goldman.
    The Times’ article on the 10th includes the previous three names, plus the addition of Maggie Haberman, who is the well-known Clinton connection.
    There is the fourth guy, who tweeted about pursuing this story for a year. Where does he fit? No doubt, though, haberman is the Clinton-Obama connection.

    It seems odd that the leaks during the Obama Admin were damaging to the U.S. The leaks happening now are damaging to DJT, family, businesses, and associates.
    Recall E Farkas, who stated they had to get all “this info” out before the Trump admin took over.
    This piece on Don Jr, from Jun 2016, is prob part of that, and will be impossible to trace. And yet, one has the feeling that somewhere in the Podesta, DNC, and Clinton emails there is a connection. It just escapes me at present.
    Obsession, thy name is Clinton-Obama collusion.


  30. jeans2nd says:

    “as soon as the Democrats saw Donald Trump was most likely going to win the GOP nomination (May 2016), they assembled their opposition research crews to build-out the best scandals for use in the general election.”

    Three Podesta emails dtd 21 Dec 2015 outline the beginning of the “Trump-Russia/Putin Collusion” strategy –

    The last email contains this –
    “Best approach is to slaughter Donald for his bromance with Putin ”

    The “Trump-Russia/Putin Collusion” strategy started with linking DJT’s remarks on ISIS and the associated video, which was released. The last 21 Dec 2015 started the link to Putin, as Putin would not agree with the removal of Assad – “Putin did not agree to anything about removing Assad and continues to bomb the people we support. We pushed the same position in 2012 (Geneva 1, which HRC knows all about) and Geneva 2 in 2014. Odds that Putin agrees to remove Assad are only slightly better than the odds the College of Cardinals chooses me to someday succeed Pope Francis. Best approach is to slaughter Donald for his bromance with Putin, but not go too far betting on Putin re Syria. Brent”

    Clinton definitely would have started WWIII by attacking Russia over Syria. There is no doubt about that. There was concensus in Clinton’s campaign that Obama’s policies were the major problem re: Syria and Russia. Seems Obama had the correct idea, incorrect method.

    Still no def link w/Don Jr mtg, tho (sigh)
    Did find McCain-Russia link from 2008, a fundraising request to the Russia Federation.


  31. jeans2nd says:

    Put another comment here today around 10 a.m. with links to Podesta email that seems to have disappeared into the ether. Bummer, need that Podesta email link.

    There is a far-ranging interview that Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov had with NBC on 21 Jul 2017.
    In this interview, Lavrov makes quite clear that Russia’s opposition to the Magnitsky Act is that Russia believes the Magnitsky Law is retaliation, which began under the “childish” actions by Obama over Edward Snowden, and Obama escalated through the ensuing years.

    Further elucidation re: Magnitsky Act is found from a 2012 article in the CS Monitor.

    It seems fairly clear that the lobbying was done by Bill Browder, not Russia. Given the 21 Dec 2015 Podesta email re: Trump-Putin “bromance,” it seems fairly clear this entire operation was Clinton-Obama, not Russia, including the Don Jr mtg which most likely was initiated by the Clinton State Dept-U.N. translator.

    Will continue looking for something more concrete for Don Jr, but am doubtful. The 21 Dec 2015 Podesta email seems to be it.


  32. jeans2nd says:

    “JOHN BRENNAN, FORMER CIA DIRECTOR: … and we were uncovering information intelligence about interactions and contacts between U.S. persons and the Russians. And as we came upon that, we would share it with the bureau.”

    “[10:30:05] REP. TREY GOWDY (R), SOUTH CAROLINA…Did evidence exist of collusion, coordination, conspiracy, between the Trump campaign and Russian state actors at the time you learned of 2016 efforts?”

    “BRENNAN: I encountered and am aware of information and intelligence that revealed contacts and interactions between Russian officials and U.S. persons involved in the Trump campaign that I was concerned about because of known Russian efforts to suborn such individuals and it raised questions in my mind, again, whether or not the Russians were able to gain the cooperation of those individuals.”

    “In his testimony, Brennan apparently forgot to mention that the CIA is not supposed to keep tabs on American citizens. Nor did he explain how he had come upon the information in the first place…” More


  33. jeans2nd says:

    Ex-U.K. Ambassador Craig Murray

    Re: Russian “hacked” the U.S. election “Really it was just a kind of propaganda excuse for Hillary Clinton’s appalling election campaign.”

    ““‘I know who leaked them,” Murray said recently. “I’ve met the person who leaked
    them, and they are certainly not Russian and it’s an insider. It’s a leak, not a
    hack; the two are different things.””

    Re: Murray’s whistleblowing “I protested internally, I did everything I could within the system to stop it.”

    Ukraine “I am actually quite critical of both parties. There is no doubt that the
    United States was interfering very strongly in Ukrainian politics. On the other
    hand, I also think that the Russians supported levels of violence that were

    Entire pdf is worth the read; d/l’ed it but is no longer located online.


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