Curiousor and Curiousor – Natalia Veselnitskaya Pictured With Obama Officals in DC on June 14th, 2016…

This is oddly interesting.

( h/t GWP ) At the heart of the current media Russian narrative du jour is a story about Donald Trump Jr. meeting with a Russian attorney named Natalia Veselnitskaya.  That meeting took place on June 9th 2016 in Trump Tower.

Now it is discovered via video and images, that only 5 days later, June 14th 2016, Ms. Veselnitskaya was a guest of former Obama administration Russian Ambassador Michael McFaul in Washington DC for a House of Representatives hearing on U.S. Policy Toward Putin’s Russia.  [Video HERE – and Video HERE]

Ms. Natalia Veselnitskaya is pictured seated in the front row directly behind former U.S. Ambassador to Russia Mr. Michael McFaul at the House Foreign Affairs Committee. This is June 14th, 2016, five days after the reported meeting with Donald Trump Jr.

Link to Ambassador McFaul’s testimony (confirming date) is HERE

It should be noted that Ambassador McFaul was very publicly discussing the ‘Muh Russia’ conspiracy narrative in the media and appeared on numerous NBC and MSNBC broadcasts during the 2016 campaign, and immediately after the election.

Additionally, it was Michael McFaul who was the architect of the Obama/Clinton “Russian Reset”, that eventually led McFaul to becoming the Ambassador to Russia (NYT Link).

Ambassador Michael McFaul immediately caused quite a bit of controversy while in Russia as he indulged with various anti-Putin operatives.

Michael McFaul, the U.S. ambassador in Moscow from 2012-2014, was accused by Russian state television of seeking to orchestrate the overthrow of President Vladimir Putin after hosting opposition activists and Kremlin critics at the embassy in his second day on the job.  (Politico Link)

Another example of McFaul’s in-your-face antagonism is HERE.

On the heels of the 2011 WikiLeaks State Department Cables release (example below) Ambassador McFaul was kicked out of Russia:

(C) On January 14, National Security Council Senior Director for Russia Michael McFaul met with Boris Nemtsov and Vladimir Milov of the Solidarity Movement, Grigoriy Bovt of the political party Right Cause, and Vladimir Ryzhkov, former head of the now defunct Russia’s Republican Party and professor at Moscow’s Higher School of Economics. All four leaders view Barack Obama as a highly pragmatic president focused on external cooperation with Russia, but supposedly not willing to pressure the Russian government for greater political freedom. President Medvedev is not seen as a viable alternative to Prime Minister Putin, who they believe will likely retake the Presidency in 2012. This, according to them, will ensure that a corrupt and unresponsive government continues to run Russia. They agreed that the aim of the political opposition over the next two years should be to prevent the return of Putin to the presidency. According to them, however, given Putin’s control over society only an emergency situation could bring about his fall from grace.

[…]  McFaul opined that “de-Putinization” must come from within Russia, from a focus on civil education to broaden demands within society for increased freedom. Though the President may not be as vocal about his support for civil society within Russia as opposition members in Russia might prefer, McFaul made clear to this group, all of whom he has known throughout his career, that the President fully supports democratic reform in Russia. All agreed that dramatic change in the Russian political landscape would not take place in the near future.

5. National Security Council Senior Director for Russia Michael McFaul has cleared on this cable.  (WikiLeaks Cable Link)

It should also be noted that Ambassador McFaul’s friend, Ms. Natalia Veselnitskaya, was initially denied an entry visa into the United States in 2016 and appealed her situation to the U.S. District Court of New York.  She was granted a parole letter allowing her to enter the United States on behalf of a client.

Here’s her filing to the U.S. District Court in New York.


The actual date of the arguments in the case U.S. -v- Prevezon Holdings was the EXACT SAME date as the meeting in Trump Tower – June 9th 2016 CASE LINK

And look at the participating attorneys. A smorgasbord of anti-Trumpers writ large. Attorney(s) appearing for the case:

JACOB W. BUCHDAHL (Cory S. Buland, on the brief), Susman Godfrey LLP, New York, NY, for Movant-Appellant Hermitage Capital Management Ltd.

PAUL MONTELEONI, Assistant United States Attorney (Cristine Phillips, Margaret Garnett, Assistant United States Attorneys, on the brief), for Preet Bharara, United States Attorney for the Southern District of New York, for Plaintiff-Appellee the United States of America.

MICHAEL B. MUKASEY (Jennifer F. Mintz, Jarrod L. Schaeffer, on the brief), Debevoise & Plimpton, LLP, New York, NY, for Defendants-Appellees Prevezon Holdings Ltd., Prevezon Alexander, LLC, Prevezon Soho USA, LLC, Prevezon Seven USA, LLC, Prevezon Pine USA, LLC, Prevezon 1711 USA, LLC, Prevezon 1810 LLC, Prevezon 2009 USA, LLC, and Prevezon 2011 USA, LLC.

Before: POOLER, LOHIER, and CARNEY, Circuit Judges.

Yes, THAT Preet Bharara:


Natalia Veselnitskaya was/is also a very vocal anti-Trump person on all of her social media accounts – SEE FACEBOOK ARCHIVE HERE –  So why would someone with a disposition of being anti-Trump want to deliver information to Donald Trump Jr?  …Especially considering Ms. Veselnitskaya was never identified within the original email request for a meeting? ….and Donald Trump Jr. said, correctly it appears, that he had no idea whom he would be meeting with(?) .

It’s enough to make you wonder what exactly is the nature of the relationship between Natalia Veselnitskaya and President Obama’s appointees such that they would be visibly working together only a few days after her reported meeting with Donald Trump Jr. in Trump Tower….

Curiouser and Curiousor…

As Jeans2nd aptly notes:  Natalia Veselnitskaya could have known Michael McFaul going all the way back to 2008 when McFaul was in Russia as an Obama campaign advisor.

“Michael McFaul, who served as U.S. ambassador to Russia during the Obama administration, said that he was in Moscow meeting with officials in the weeks leading up to Obama’s 2008 election win.”  (Washington Post)

Hillary Clinton and the Clinton Global Initiative (CGI) have ties to Azerbaijan going back to at least 2010, if not before, during Clinton’s many trips to Azerbaijan.

Hillary Clinton arrives in Baku for talks on Caucasus
AFP, Jul 4, 2010, 02.51am IST  (link)

Azerbaijan: Clinton meets bloggers Posted 4 July 2010 17:04 GMT (link)

Azerbaijan is also mentioned in the Wikileaks emails:

“In April 2015, the Clinton team had to decide whether to accept campaign donations from US lobbyists representing foreign states…like Iraq, Azerbaijan, Egypt, Libya and the United Arab Emirates.”

“After a great deal of back and forth, Clinton’s campaign manager Robby Mook said he decided they should just accept the donations”  (link)

“Azerbaijan: Could Baku Have Access to a Clinton White House? – A lobbyist connection between Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign and Azerbaijan could create the appearance of a conflict of interest”.

“(since 2009) the Podesta Group, a high-powered Washington lobbying firm, has handled networking and image-building for Azerbaijan’s embassy in the United States.”  (link)

“Azerbaijan, a country the State Department said in an official report was infused with “corruption and predatory behavior by politically connected elites.”” “including slavery” (link)

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1,061 Responses to Curiousor and Curiousor – Natalia Veselnitskaya Pictured With Obama Officals in DC on June 14th, 2016…

  1. julegate says:

    About 18 minutes: the Elites are getting scared grasping for straws. Investigations take time and are private.

    Liked by 1 person

  2. SB says:

    Rush is clearly reading the CTH for his show prep research (without giving proper credit to SD).
    today, he speaks about the Silent Coup, but he attributes it the liberal democrats. As Obama could not say “Radical Islamic Terrorism”, Rush appears not to be able to say “Uniparty”

    Liked by 4 people

    • mikeyboo says:

      CTH has done, and is doing, great work on all this. It is also true that Limbaugh has spoken about the uniparty for years. Individuals sometimes arrive at similar conclusions independent of each other. In fact, many of us who appreciate the CTH, enjoy the site because it echoes our own assessments and biases.

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  3. R-C says:

    Well, I dunno about y’all, but I believe I’ve found that “Russian Collusion” the left has been yammering about all this time And it has Uni-Party fingerprints all over it–BOTH sides of the aisle.

    Can’t wait to hear Songbird’s explanation as to why this Russkie attorney was taking happy snaps in HIS office. (Don’t worry–I won’t be holding my breath…I’m still waiting for Songbird’s explanation of his palsy appearance with ISIS. And I already KNOW the answer: Songbird is DIRTY.)

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  4. tommylotto2 says:

    What if she was a Russian agent? Or at least pretending to be a Russian agent for entrapment purposes? Could it be that she was vague about what information she had on HRC and shifted to the sanctions issue because she wanted to set up a quid pro quo? For example, promise to lift sanctions, and I’ll get you dirt on HRC. Only Don Jr. did not fall for it, and he shut down the meeting as soon as she shifted gears to what she wanted out of the quid pro quo. If so, Don Jr. acted exemplary.

    Liked by 3 people

  5. Swedishmeatball says:

    I would not doubt Natalia is a KGB agent.

    Liked by 2 people

    • If she is , she penetrated the Obama admin pretty well – tight with Obama’s Ambassador to Russia ( McFaul ) , other Dems ( anti-Trump on Fcebook ) and with McCain. But I think she was a deep state plant/ tool to set up Jr. and more if possible ,but failed

      Liked by 2 people

      • singingsoul says:

        She the Russian looked like a cheap one night trick specially the way she was dressed sitting behind the embassador.


  6. Fedup2themax says:

    Coming briefly out of long term lurker mode(since Trayvon Martin days)-I have got to say that the connections that Sundance has made in this post are astounding.Thank you Sundance for your work…This site is a daily stop and has helped to center me during all the madness since the election of our POTUS.I will be returning to lurker mode on my branch as I am not as eloquent as so many here.(Grammar is not my best area either) I do know however that this is war.Carry on soldiers….You are all fighting the good fight for the survival of our Republic.

    Liked by 7 people

  7. sundance says:

    Liked by 2 people

  8. sysconfig says:

    Thanx Sundance and Thanx 4chan for the timeline..stellar work..This is the kind of work that will save the presidency and our country.

    Liked by 2 people

  9. Sandra-VA says:

    And here is Michael McFaul’s response:



  10. sundance says:

    Liked by 8 people

    • Plain Jane says:

      As of two hours into Rush’s program that consists of reading CTH nearly verbatim, he hasn’t mentioned this yet. The timing of this post is possibly too late for him to carry it. 🙂

      Thanks loads for your blog and investigative reporting Sundance. I just wish Rush would give you credit.
      God Bless you and yours.

      Liked by 1 person

      • Mike says:

        This CTH article, the one we are on right now, is all over GAB. I’m sure it’s all over twitter, too.

        Liked by 1 person

        • Plain Jane says:

          Hopefully CTH is getting credit.

          Does anyone know what Rush is talking about regarding saying that we got the Russian bimbo wrong? That she’s a Trump fan. Sounds really phony. I went to heavy to try to decipher, and found nothing.


          • Mike says:

            They are on GAB. as people are linking to the article.


          • Mike says:

            Heavy, Ack. Click bait garbage. Maybe because she’s posing with McCain who’s a Republican. Since she’s posing with a a Republican. Heavy would probably spin her as a “Trump fan.” Leftists always try to pin their wrongdoings on right wingers.


          • Crystal says:

            There are screenshots of her photos and obvious disdain for Trump (posted to her FB in January) where she mocks and disparages him. She’s no fan. I think the screenshots are up at Breitbart and/or The Gateway Pundit in a related article.

            Liked by 1 person

      • Maquis says:

        We know, and that’s enough. Sundance’s effectiveness is what counts, he’s accomplishing tremendous things, getting the truth out there, and has yet to take a victory lap. Providence will judge him well.


  11. datagooroo says:

    Is the email chain that Jr. released be the email (or one of the emails) Devon Nunes shared with the White House a few months back?


    • Crystal says:

      Don’t know about that, but Nunes was pressured to recuse himself from the Russia investigation so that Schiff-for-brains, a Democrat, could take over.

      My memory may be faulty here, but didn’t Jeff Sessions say that he met with the Russian ambassador during the transition period at the request of Bari? Of course, he would think nothing of it as he’d met routinely with foreign ambassadors as a member of the Senate Intelligence Committee. But what that recusal did was put another Dem, Rosenthal, in charge. Who was the 2nd in command who became temporary FBI director when Comey was fired? Another Dem, McCabe, whose wife received a large campaign donation from the governor of VA, (McAuliffe), one of the Hillbillies’ bag men.

      The Dems are running the intel show even though they’re in the minority. All following the script.


  12. Summer says:

    Posted my opinion on this in the comments to the other blog entry before reading this one. Yes, I agree! It looks like a planned hit job.


  13. freddy says:

    Rush is using all this valuable info Sundance puts together. it’s hannity who is an idiot. He keeps comparing all these real crimes of hillary and the DNC to Donald Trump JR. As if they are both crimes and comparing them as such. DJT Jrs, is no crime it’s a set up. So Hannity repeats all this a thousand times instead of diving deep into who what and where the players are here….Fortunately Sundance is around to do the heavy lifting cause these guys are act so non committal instead of going for the throat. This obvious hit job involves McCain and it’s deep… I’m so darn glad I found the CTH………

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    • Plain Jane says:

      Amazing isn’t it about SD and Rush. Sad about Hannity seemingly stupidly comparing DT,Jr. to Hiliar. However, Hannity’s audience isn’t all that sophisticated in minutia. Hannity is reaching more low-fos and they need analogies. Just IMHO.


      • G. Combs says:

        Hannity was not bad for the seven second attention span crowd.

        The ‘Critical 7 Seconds’: Starting the customer conversation, or ending it?
        “In the first seven seconds, your customer makes the first critical decision. Whether to keep listening, enter into a conversation with you, or end it right now.

        For marketers, seven seconds mark the first moment of truth. It’s the size of our smallest attention window. You only have 7 seconds to get attention and answer customers’ key question, “What’s in it for me?”

        Not by accident, seven seconds is the length of the average sound bite in news media. On TV or radio, seven seconds is how long your spokesperson will probably get to make a point. Are your media spokespersons ready for that? […]”


  14. Mike says:

    A legal question:

    ASSUME this is true, for the purposes of my question:

    Obama set up Donald Jr. using a DEM “HoneyPot” operative who misrepresented herself to set up a meeting. Don Jr. attended, but did nothing illegal. But Obama, who was actively campaigning for Donald Sr. opponent, used it as a pretext to start a FISA investigation

    Isn’t that illegal on the part of Obama?


    • Maquis says:

      What has Obama done that isn’t illegal?

      Liked by 2 people

    • TheLastDemocrat says:

      That depends on what political party Obama is with.

      Liked by 1 person

    • G. Combs says:

      “[…]Isn’t that illegal on the part of Obama?”

      Yes. It is unauthorized spying on an American citizen and yes it was a set-up with a one-two punch. Essentially it is a felony. Both offering and preparing false evidence are obstruction of justice crimes.

      1. A server in Trump Tower owned by an agency with contracts with Trump is repeatedly in contact with Alfa Bank in Russia according to cybersecurity researcher/university Prof. April Lorenzen WHO IS A CLINTON DONOR.

      2. A Russian lawyer is sent to contact Donald Jr. under false pretenses.

      From Zerohedge article commenter:

      “So Ruskie Atty Natalia is proponent to repeal Magnitsky Act which she seems to claim is misguided in punishing the wrong Ruskies. She claims CLINTON GI funder BROWDER is the culprit. Russia officially marks BROWDER as bad guy on May 19, 2016, claiming he stole $16 mil from govt.

      About the same May 2016 time Clinton /DNC realize their computer data were leaked. (See today “Daily Caller”). They hire Ruskie owned “Crowdstrike” to put a sting to ID leaker. They also hire Fusion GPS which begins plotting the Ruskie dossier to take down rival DJT. About same time frame webrobot pings do massive attack on Ruskie banks from phony Trump tower server set up by CIA McMullin (see “GoDaddy domain”).

      About June 5, 2016 Russia witnesses a large amt of data being transferred from DNC to Clinton GI and warns FBI. June 7, 2016 Seth Rich is killed, while believing he is meeting with FBI who take his computer and phone post murder.

      Also early June 2016 Brit Goldstone (whom some sources claim is linked to Clinton/ DNC hired Fusion GPS) sets up Trump tower meeting with Ruskie Atty Natalia.”

      Unreliable Narrator “comment adds the points I want to bring up:

      “[…]5. Evidence took two forms:
      a. Electronic. “Tea Leaves” (cybersecurity researcher April Lorenzen) creates forged DNS logs from a Trump server repeatedly contacting Alfa Bank in Russia (see weaponized autism) and gives the info to alphabet agencies (June 2016) and later Slate (October 2016). The June 2016 disclosure to alphabet agencies helps prompt a FISA warrant.
      b. Human. At the same time the Trump server was supposedly contacting Alfa Bank, Goldstone sets up the meeting with Natalia V, making sure to use key words and tricky phrases that implicate Russian gov’t involvement. Timing being concurrent with the forged DNS server logs is not a coincidence. Fusion used pre-existing relationship with Natalia (she’s Fusion GPS client and Russian oligarch Katsyv’s defense lawyer in a massive racketeering case, along with having many other connections to Fusion) to use her as a diversion. In combination with the electronic data above, FISA warrant issued.
      6. After FISA warrant, dossier given to FBI. Plausibility has been established. It doesn’t matter at this point that the dossier was amateurish, as it provided a distraction for the FBI to vet it.
      7. Trump expected to lose, so nothing much was done with this prior to the election, other than to establish a Trump-loves-Putin story about unhealthy dictator worship. No need to risk wider exposure.
      8. Unthinkable happens. Trump wins.
      9. Time to arm the landmines that were previously set, but never used. Time to get that email to NYT.
      Viola. Russian influence narrative.

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  15. Crickets says:

    Democraps DUPING everybody. Russians, Republicans and everyone in between. Setting up Trump for THEIR Russian collusion.


  16. Sam says:

    This would almost be too good to be true…….but what if DTJ did talk to the FBI before going to this meeting? That would be the ultimate of ultimate rope-a-dopes.


  17. Mr Darcy says:

    This site is a national treasure.

    Liked by 2 people

  18. cheekymeeky says:

    Pure evil.


    • Maquis says:

      Damn. Monsters. Obama allowed donations from overseas in 2008, never set his cc setting to US only, campaigned in Germany at the second most revered monument in the country after being refused the first, allowed, nay, promulgated foreign terrorist agents into our Federal government, was the most illegal, illegitimate, law-breaking, corrupt, power-mad, self-serving, profligate anti-American, DOWN-RIGHT EVIL President EVER: Crickets.

      The best President since Reagan, with the benefit of hind-sight into Reagan’s errors (trusting Ted Kennedy…), so clean the only dirt found was an endless stream of, nothing, they got NOTHING, yet still they are the Perfect Little Minions of Satan himself, reading “The Screwtape Letters” as a How-To manual rather than as a cautionary tale. Despicable.


  19. Dee Dee says:

    This is oddly wrong, Amb. McFaul was not the Russian Ambassador in 2016 so this is an untrue article. It doesn’t surprise me.


    • G. Combs says:

      “This is oddly wrong, Amb. McFaul was not the Russian Ambassador in 2016 so this is an untrue article. “

      No, You can not read.

      In the first mention of McFaul Sundance says:
      “Now it is discovered via video and images, that only 5 days later, June 14th 2016, Ms. Veselnitskaya was a guest of former Obama administration Russian Ambassador Michael McFaul in Washington DC for a House of Representatives hearing on U.S. Policy Toward Putin’s Russia.”

      It is common to address a person by his former title;
      Sec of State Clinton
      Gov. Huckabee
      President Obama…
      Leaving out the word ‘former’ since it is assumed the reader is aware the person no longer holds that office.

      Liked by 1 person

    • G. Combs says:

      The article refers to McFaul as FORMER Russian Ambassador in the third sentence so it is not untrue at all.

      Nice try. 😁

      Liked by 1 person

    • Maquis says:

      The title of Ambassador is retained, always, it’s never wrong to address them thusly.

      Liked by 1 person

  20. ray76 says:

    McFaul led Clinton’s Europe/Russia foreign policy work group.

    And there he sits with Veselnitskaya. What a coincidence.


  21. Papoose says:

    This Jared Sexton and his creepy tweets about working on this for a year is a red herring to protect the “leaker”. My belief its James Comey and his wife who personally delivered the hard copy emails to the NYT. Once they had the trail cleared, the story came out. His friend and cohort shot off his bombshell tweet promise a bit too early. That guy needs to be put under oath. He’s a collaborator.

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  22. Thanks for the work and presentation, SD. Fascinating stuff. There’s just one thing that doesn’t quite fit and thus doesn’t really add value beyond the fact the parties have met…

    That photo of Aliyeva & Clinton ‘photo by Leyla’ is presented as being from August 14, 2016.

    Bill is too young, and Hillary too thin for it to have been taken only a year ago I think. Could be wrong but even a photoshop pro wouldn’t be able to manage that feat. 🙂


  23. John Joseph says:

    Why does no one ever call out the uni-Party in a congressional speech or something and lay out the obvious encampment lines… Something like “it matters not whether you have a D or R next to your name it has became clear the fight is between progressive globalists vs. Conservative Federalist or Nationalist (I’m not sure which one) ” in other words 100% for USA or some percentage of you is the enemy!! Maybe change the seating arrangement from D’s & R’s to Patriots & Globalists make McCain sit out back on a 5 gal. Bucket

    Liked by 1 person

    • Stansbury says:

      Most dance with the party that brought them to the game. Regarding Congress, the Uniparty brought most members to the game. The rest (with few exceptions) are controlled by fear and/or greed. PDJT came to the party on his own initiative and with the overwhelming support of the Deplorable Masses (despite the best efforts of the Unipary).

      And PDJT has no fear, nor does he need/want to accept anything (except acknowledgement of his aim to MAGA) in exchange for his actions.

      Thank God for PDJT!! MAGA!!


  24. Jason Johns says:

    McFaul says he never knew the name of Veselnitskaya prior to two days ago.

    Liked by 2 people

    • TwoLaine says:

      And people who are in the know about how Congressional meetings work say there is NO WAY you get to sit behind the featured speaker without an invite from the featured speaker. No way.


  25. C. Lowell says:

    Sounds like Obama’s Syrian Amb Robert Ford who worked with opponents opponents of Assad,

    Helped precipitate the Syrian War, and got thrown out of Syria in less than a year…


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  27. Ber Knar says:

    As of this morning’s bombshell – who/how many people in the room during Don Jr.’s big meeting? Was the campaign/Mr. Trump on SS detail by the date of the meeting? Whomever was allowed through security was logged/checked? Old info that surely is already known?


  28. addgolfer says:

    I salute the work everyone involved. I continue to have faith and hope there are those much smarter than us at the top, that can expertly connect the dots and 180 this around at the dimms. That being said…
    The control of the narrative has always been with the left. They have the loudest megaphone with the control of the networks and mainstream “trusted” outlets. The majority of the older ill informed still get their “news” off the networks, the younger get their feeds from sources who echo the AP, NYTimes, WaPo, etc.


  29. TwoLaine says:

    Preet is also apparently the one who approved her Visa.


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