Finally President Trump Calls Out #NeverTrump Members of Congress…

After removing Katie Walsh from the White House staff, President Trump now moves to confront the #NeverTrump coalition in congress, Hillary’s Favorite Caucus, head on.

More than half of the remaining members of the House Freedom Caucus are still #NeverTrump, entrenched and intransigent Pro-Ted Cruz ideologues.  They oppose Trump and have never moved beyond losing in the primary.  They are still fighting the 2016 primary race they lost.

It appears President Trump has had enough of their ideological gridlock.

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464 Responses to Finally President Trump Calls Out #NeverTrump Members of Congress…

  1. Lisa says:

    This isn’t true. The freedom caucus saved us from that awful bill. I voted for Trump but if he goes after Louie Gomert or others I’m done

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    • missmarple2 says:

      What has Louis Gomert accomplished?

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      • Lisa says:

        What have any of the right accomplished? I’ve been voting their rhino butts in since early 1980’s. What the he-ll have any of them done? Gomert was a judge before he came to office Poe was a great judge in Houston.

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        • Martin says:

          I think she’s talking about what they’ve done since they’ve been in Congress……

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        • majorstar says:

          Tails don’t wag dogs.

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        • Summer says:

          NONE of them accomplished anythîng, true. Zero, zilch, nada. All talk, no action.

          I could not care less about ideology. They are either with us or againsts us. Support the President or get the hell out. All these “great constitutional lawyers and conservative judges” are still running on their old resume. Sorry, that resume is out of date. The most recent one contains the NEVER-TRUMP coup, electing Ryan twice, voting for TPP and the Omnibus bill and obstructing the America First agenda.

          Vote them out.

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          • Raven says:

            THIS!

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          • georgiafl says:

            DON’T FORGET THE IRAN DEAL!

            TPP, Omnibus Spending Bill and the Iran Deal revealed just how sorry and corrupt the DC SEWER IS.

            It’s not a Swamp – it’s a Sewer.

            A Swamp supports wildlife.

            A Sewer contains contaminants and effluent that sickens and infects.

            FLUSH THE SEWER!!!

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          • setup2100 says:

            Sorry TRUMP is wrong on RYANCARE and the FC. He may be right on 99% of the other things but the HFC and conservatives are not his enemy on RYANCARE. For some reason TRUMP has a blind spot when it comes to RYAN, PREIBUS in thinking they are his friends. IF not for the HFC we would have RYANCARE which is worse than OBAMACARE and TRUMP would be a one term President on that issue alone in spite of turning the economy around, the WALL, Trade or any other good things he is planning to do. REMEMBER TRUMP said he would REPEAL & REPLACE Obamacare, no one else said that but TRUMP. Repeal & Replace does not mean in NAME only because TRUMP said RYANCARE was a repeal & replace product when it was TERRIBLE. Old or new MATH it had a 17% approval any way one looks at it. JUST do what you said you were going to do Mr President. Repeal and Replace, look out for the deplorable’s who put you in office by selling across state lines by Insurance companies, get rid of the mandates and quit looking out for the Insurance companies bottom line.

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            • Thank you for sending this comment. You’re so right! Many members of the Freedom Caucus are those who the hard working conservative grassroots worked hard to get elected. They have done the best possible in voting against many of Obama’s proposals but didn’t succeed due to still being the minority in the House with weak leadership. Those who are critical of the Freedom Caucus are people who don’t keep up with voting records, have no idea what their representatives do & how they vote, and are just late comers in supporting Trump and treating him like a Superman who has no need of anyone and can never be wrong. That is a false support. Supporting our President means telling him the truth, getting him to know the facts and to listen to these members who saved him and us from the disastrous bill of Ryancare. Now these complainers want us to believe than Paul Ryan is the conservative one and FC are just rebels. WRONG! I’m sure President Trump will soon realize this error and call on FC members to help him pass the healthcare bill that’s best for all Americans.

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              • Raven says:

                Well Elvira, I can tell you I am a long time Republican who has been involved in the party for many years. I am the GOP Chair of my county and attended the Republican National Convention where Donald J. Trump won the nomination. I was involved with the Tea Party before it was dragged into the Uniparty and I have been doing grassroots dirty work for well over 40 years.

                I was on the Trump Train from the day he announced his run for the Presidency BECAUSE HE IS HE BEST MAN FOR THE JOB. The whiners did not want President Trump to run because he was not a politician, which is exactly why Donald Trump became OUR President.

                Because of my involvement in the GOP I received emails from all the candidates up to and through the National Convention. I can tell you, unequivocally, that the Trump team was forthright and honest in all their dealings. The Lyin’ Ted team was just like their sickening leader — deceptive, dishonest, and feeding their idiot followers piles of crap covered with whipped cream. The “Freedom” Caucus is nothing but a bunch of self-important yappers who want ribbons for thinking they are better than everyone else.

                Sheesh, President Trump has been the President for just over TWO MONTHS. Tell your oh-so-important “Freedom” Caucus (which is not working for freedom at all!) that if they want to do the work WE THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES want done, they better get on board with President Trump instead of fighting him.

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                • setup2100 says:

                  YES Raven you are 100% Republican. You probably think Jeb or Marco should be POTUS and also a Bush fan. The REPUBLICAN America Last Movement is on the way out. I can understand you dis taste for the HFC since you say you are a life long Republican. No more explanation needed to justify your hatred for the HFC who just saved you from RYANCARE and you do not even realize it.

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                • Raven says:

                  Nope, Setup, I am 100% American and a life-long Republican — a party of which I am now fully ashamed — due to the likes of Lyin’ Ted, Lil’ Marco, Deb Jeb, RINOs, GOPes and the “Freedom” Caucus. I would NEVER vote for Deb Jeb, Lil’ Marco or Lyin’ Ted, and regret the day(s) I voted for anyone with the last name Bush.

                  I was 100% Trump from the day he announced his run for the Presidency, since he spoke plain and simple English without a bunch of ‘politician’ mixed in.

                  The “Freedom” Caucus saved me from NOT ONE THING and you don’t realize it. You just do not get it, and with your head in the sand why would you? But, good for you, dear. Want more koolaid?

                  You are right about one thing — I loathe those people. In the old days people who didn’t back their President were known as traitors. Today we just call them the “Freedom” Caucus.

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                • You seem so proud of having been involved in Republican Party politics. Well, guess what? I was also in Florida but unlike you I realized how corrupt it was and left to start my own conservative group. Apparently you seem very satisfied being part of the Swamp. My group has helped many conservative candidates get elected and I’m not about to allow RINOs like you to destroy the work of real conservative grassroots. All you do is pay lip service——I’ve seen many like you. Now you’re with Trump because it is convenient for you. We worked hard in our area to bring both Independents and Democrats to vote for Donald Trump. When one truly cares, one must tell the truth, not continuing cheerleading trying to obtain brownie points. Grow Up!

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                • Raven says:

                  No, I am with Trump because I am smart.

                  I had planned on leaving the evil of the Republican Party as soon as the election was over, but seeing first hand how corrupt all the Lyin’ Ted, RINOs, GOPes, etc., were, I instead decided to dive-in head first and fight them face-to-face. Instead of running away or hiding behind a keyboard I was elected to a grassroots position within the Minnesota GOP. And unlike what Garrison Keilor says about Minnesota, ‘Where the women are strong, the men are handsome and the children are above average,’ my saying is, ‘Where the Democrats are rabid and the Republicans are neutered.’

                  I have already confronted my party, and because of the things I have said changes are already happening — for the better and for everyone. I am the lowliest of the party, but I have a big voice and am not afraid to use it for good.

                  So yes, if you want to be technical about it I am now officially part of the swamp. But here in Minnesota there is a thing that happens all over the place this time of year — drains and culverts become blocked by all the ice and debris that builds up over the long winter. The best and quickest way to get rid of the blockage, just like when your toilet is plugged, is to send a roto-rooter in to open it up, and that, even in its most disgusting similarities, is what I am doing. I am forcing the GOP to look at its own crap.

                  I got very involved when Trump announced and worked like a dog the entire time of his run. I met the man, I went to the convention, my life was threatened (seriously) by someone while I held a Trump sign waving event (guy was taken away in handcuffs and his last hearing will be in a few days), and a pastor down the road told me I am going to hell for voting for Trump. The “Freedom” Caucus members at the convention treated me like crap, no, they treated me like less than crap, because I was not worshiping their idol, Lyin’ Ted. They said they were Christian, but acted not one bit like Christ — not.one.bit.

                  Believe me, I knocked on every door — no matter the political affiliation of the persons inside (and I would never know anyway), called hundreds of people in many cities and many states, road on floats, attended rallies, drove hundreds of miles, installed lawn signs, yada yada yada. Yes, I too worked to bring in Indies and Dems, and where I live that is pretty much all there is, and yet, tada — my area of Democrat Minnesota went Red!

                  So, you can pretend you are the only one who works for the good of our country if you’d like and you can believe you know everything there is to know about politics if you’d like. But it might help to do a little more listening and to see things with your eyes open, including seeing what the Uniparty (which includes the “Freedom Caucus) is doing in Washington, D.C.

                  Brownie Points? And you tell me to grow up? You silly little girl!

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                • Ad rem says:

                  Elvira…I’m putting you in moderation. It’s not for disagreeing with others re the HFC, it’s for making it “personal”. Telling someone else to, “Grow Up!” is uncalled for.

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              • Chuck Finley says:

                The HFC hasn’t done jack since their inception, except whine, complain, and get headlines for being “obstinate” – which they haven’t been except for Trump. Prior to Trump, the HFC had several opportunities to step up and lead and be what you say, and they claim, the representatives of the grassroots. They couldn’t get rid of Boehner and would not have stopped amnesty if not for Dave Brat being elected over Cantor. When Boehner was finally weak enough that he stepped down, not only did no one in the HFC step up to lead, but they were OK with McCarthy (who only didn’t pursue the speakership d/t Charles Johnson’s research into his affair). HFC had another opportunity to step up to lead and allowed Paul Ryan to be speaker despite the howling protestations of the grassroots they supposedly represent. After Ryan showed his true colors as a swamp fixture, the HFC again voted for him as speaker and didn’t even run anyone to oppose him, again after howling protestations from the grassroots. I didn’t particularly like RyanCare, but Sundance accurately and thoroughly (and multiple times I might add) explained why Repeal and Replace had to be done in that fashion, but the HFC saw a situation to exercise their #NeverTrump muscles without much consequence and decided to grandstand. I would prefer Ann Coulter’s idea for healthcare legislation (see recent article) but the HFC doesn’t even have the balls to put a bill like that up. Trump has exposed the HFC as the Uniparty apparatus that they are and members like Ted Poe that do represent the grassroots will continue to defect from this attention-seeking group.

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              • grandmotherpatriot says:

                I do not like the Ryan Bill but , I also do not like the FC lying to the people that a full clean repeal can be accomplished as we do not have the 60 votes in the Senate.
                Plus , its a fact that the Supreme Court ruled that PPACA /Obamacare is NOT mandated but a TAX in 2012 that needs to be dismantled by a Budgetary Bill .
                The repeal vetoed by Obama was a Reconciliation Budgetary Bill that is now DOA that would require a new Reconciliation Budgetary Bill composed , passed by congress to be signed by a President .
                You can do one of two things , learn civics and track legislation or go on and keep believing that the FC did not vote to Fund Obamacare from the beginning for Obama , cloture voted TPP/TTIP giving away American sovereignty and vote ” yes ” to the Corker Bill which GAVE Nuke to Iran.
                Your failure to understand civics does not make us rebels.
                MAGA

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        • Poe quit the HFC.

          “They’d vote no against the Ten Commandments’: GOP congressman resigns from conservative group”

          http://www.businessinsider.com/ted-poe-explains-why-quit-house-freedom-caucus-2017-3

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      • What have any of them ( the freedom caucus) done except try to get elected and take money from lobbyist? They are like the extreme left, blathering on about their idealistic views, or at least the ones they know will get them elected again. I’ve got very conservative views but I don’t impose them on others either. This country is full of different views. I thought that was one of the things that made America great. They are politicians, if they want my respect they can get a real job and stop taking money from lobbyist and corporate donors and work for the people and not my tax money. Maybe they could even work more than a handful of days in a month.

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      • dawndoe says:

        What has Ryan accomplished? He led the way to funding Obamacare when he could have led the way to defunding it. And now he’s trying to shove Obamacare Lite down our throats. God Bless Louie Gohmert!

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        • cozette says:

          You do know that if Louie had voted yes it would have gone to the Senate for them to craft a bill? Then the House and Senate would have worked to mesh the 2 bills. Then every member could vote yes or no in the end. Why would Louie vote to keep Obamacare rather than letting the process play out until a final vote? If he didn’t like it he could have voted no then.

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        • georgiafl says:

          ‘Balanced Budget’ Ryan (2012 Campaign) went along with Obama’s obscene Omnibus Spending Bill – so he has co-ownership of the debt….and all the other Obama agenda.

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    • Alexsandra says:

      Disagree. They could have handled it entirely differently. Silly. No pragmatism.

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      • Bob Kalle says:

        Excuse me for jumping in here, it is all bs. The republicans do not know how to get anything done because they are all running around doing their own agenda, not America’s. Sorry, tired of this, put me in a room with 10 other common sense people and we will have it done in 24 hours. If they can not get a bill set up, get out of the way. Sorry Sean H. stop supporting pwope that can not get a job done. Freedom caucus, where is your version of a helthcare bill.

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        • Raven says:

          “Freedom caucus, where is your version of a helthcare bill.”

          Exactly. They ARE wrapped up in the big ball called the PROBLEM.

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    • dekester says:

      Good. Join the traitors.

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    • Chuck says:

      Lisa, what will you be done with ? Seriously, apparently you don’t support the other side and there aren’t a bunch of other choices.

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    • SeekerOfTruth says:

      Ken Buck (R, CO, HFC member)
      “Transitioning from an opposition party to the governing party can come with growing pains. But if we want to achieve our principled outcomes, like the end of ObamaCare and its replacement with a free-market system, then we have to learn how to come together as a party and govern. And governing means supporting the AHCA. I supported it, will continue to support it, and encourage my colleagues to support it as well.

      Buck represents Colorado’s 4th District.”

      HFC only knows how to be an opposition party at this time. Governing means making deals and compromises. Something totally foreign to HFC people. HFC only talks, they never do something as that takes work and compromises to make deals. They fail on both accounts – work and compromise.

      Making progress is a step by step process that is often slow and hard. Now they have no steps and many fewer steps in other areas (budget and tax cuts) because of HFC failure.

      HFC owns all of the downside to not passing this bill and the downside is about $2 trillion dollars of lost opportunities – budget, tax cuts, trade. HFC cost many thousands of jobs.

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      • cjzak says:

        Agreed. They have to come to the table and eat their peas once in awhile. They cannot have everything they want. That being said, what do they want? They are not offering much in return at all. This is what the republicans have been doing since the voters gave them the House, mostly to get them to defund Obamacare and oppose Obama on other things. They didn’t do it. Didn’t do it after the elections gave them the Senate. Now they are blocking legislation that should have been passed and why? Oh they used some high minded patriotic sounding excuses but they did not bring anything to the table that could be agreed to. What have any of them accomplished? Nada.

        What are they going to do now? Keep complaining they’re being picked on? They have the chance to really get things done and they are NOT on board for the American people. I’m glad Pres. Trump called them out.

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        • KitKat says:

          Very well expressed. Having to eat their peas is exactly right. It would be different if their principled perfect wishlist had a prayer of success with voters, but it doesn’t, and never will. So all that’s left is for them to be spoilers. What a sad and immature choice.

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          • mark4trump says:

            “I ran on repealing the Affordable Care Act (ACA) — or “Obamacare” — not two-thirds of it, but the entire thing. The replacement bill — the American Health Care Act, as currently written — repeals the individual mandate and the employer mandate, but fails to end government control of personal health care”. Scott Perry 4th District Pennsylvania — House Freedom Caucus

            This is the joker representing my district — He’s not satisfied with 2/3 repeal, not satisfied with getting rid of the individual & employer mandate — because Scott is a ‘principled conservative’ who is helping to lock us into Obamacare. I was so furious when I read his statement above.

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      • cozette says:

        Who cares if it hurts Republicans in 2018? The American people are hurting now! Trump ran to help them. A 2 thirds repeal that lifted the burden on small businesses was would have been a huuuge win for individual Americans and the economy. The FC can LIE all they want but the American people did NOT elect Trump to sign a repeal only bill. In fact he said he would VETO a repeal only bill. Plus they knew a repeal only would not pass. So they are posturing ideologues like Green Eggs and Ham Cruz who screw the country over for their adoring base. They’re the Maxine Waters of the Right.

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      • Jenny R. says:

        To which I would reply that my autistic 8 yo shows better transitioning skills — these are supposed to be intelligent, adult politicians.
        And it isn’t as though they haven’t had years to ponder the question of how to repeal Ocare or find a fix for the healthcare debacle which was there before it.

        I say (broadly conjecturing here): keep Ocare (and watch the Dems scream as it implodes), open up freemarket insurance choices that cross state lines that people (or a company, group, or union) can choose from (and if they opt out of Ocare, then they should not be made to pay for it, and similarly the company they work for can list them as covered by insurance, so they don’t pay a fine); tackle tort reform and prescription drug pricing (that should cool off some of the healthcare costs); and shore up some sort of Medicaid/Medicare/safetynet in order to care for those who can’t afford insurance and can’t afford healthcare out of pocket — something will have to be put in place to allow that no vanity procedures are permissible, but at least a minimum of care (and no death panels) shall be provided for that group. This could be run by states and municipalities, but with the caveat that they will break federal law if they go playing fast and loose with it (aka. no death panels for Granny and the disabled while you pay for Chandler’s transition to Chelsea, or second and third term abortions for all). Maybe just a run round the end would work better (although expect the usual suspects to throw a wrench in it).
        Do the same with education: federal government out, state and municipalities in, except for a couple of caveats: federal government gets to step in if you are consistently running substandard schools with a substandard curriculum (I believe an 8th grade educational level in English, social studies, science, and math should at least be made the minimum standards for anyone graduating from a traditional American high school — and feasible); fostering batsh*t insane charter schools (like Gulen or Pinel schools) within your state/municipality; and/or do something like Pennhurst to the disabled (the disable are a tricky situation — many will never reach a minimum educational standard so it’s hard to gauge standards, but I think it is pretty easy to agree that they do not deserve to be treated poorly and give no opportunities towards some level of a full life)
        .
        People would likely go for this, as it gives more freedom to choose with some safety net — at least some assurances that there is recourse if the state/municipality decides to be corrupt and stupid (which is a big, and understandable, fear — many of us don’t live in well governed states; I’m not sure there really is such a thing).
        Of course it leaves those whose real agenda is single payer and substandard education for the masses not too happy — but it could flush them out at the very least.

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    • Albertus Magnus says:

      Bye, Lisa. Go support your candidate Cruz. Oh, wait….LOL

      Loser Cruzer.

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    • TJ Johnson says:

      Another butthurt member of the Cruzlim Blubberhood whines.anout how “pure” they all are.

      HFC=Hillary’s Favorite Congresscritters

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    • pageoturner says:

      Some of the Freedom Caucus are sincere. Some are NeverTrumpers who don’t want an outsider messing in their playground.

      Gohmert was a NeverTrumper who came around once Trump was the nominee but not without a fight. I used to like Louie. Now I’m withholding judgement.

      Justin Amash is STILL a NeverTrumper. He objected to Sessions as AG and demanded he recuse himself jumping on the Trump is a Russian puppet bandwagon. Amash also trashed the immigration ban calling it a muslim ban (his mother is Syrian, by the way). I don’t see where Amash has done anything for the voter.

      Poe left the Freedom Caucus because he said Trump agreed to every concession and half of them STILL said they’d vote no. Why?

      I agree the bill was a bad bill and badly handled. I don’t know what the manager’s amendment would have done that was essentially the changes Trump put in at the FC’s behest but I don’t know exactly what the FC was objecting to, do you?

      Louie Gohmert never, in the several interviews I saw on Fox Business, gave explicit changes he wanted or the FC was asking for. It was just generalities – we want lower premiums. Well, duh.

      Where is the Freedom Caucus bill? Why aren’t there a half dozen Republican bills that can be reviewed, discussed and agreed upon.

      The best solution I heard is Ann Coulters. Let Obamacare die. Don’t do a thing to it. Pass bills that open up the free market for insurance – any kind of policy – across state lines.

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      • cozette says:

        They said they wanted to lower costs more. What they did NOT tell you was they wanted that done by having Trump drop his promise to protect pre existing and adult kids mandates. Trump refused. They also don’t tell you a yes would have moved the plan to the Senate where Rand could have worked on it. A Never Trumper did not care if Hillary controlled the SCOTUS. I consider them enemies. I trust dens like Elijah Cummings and Munching more than the FC. So does Trump.

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      • georgiafl says:

        Ann has an argument – Obamacare die – go back to private insurance across state lines for working adults – and medicaid for indigent (jobless due to Uniparty trade deals, Democrat policies) – but not illegals, Medicare and/or supplement policies for SS covered retired elders under a certain income level.

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      • The only Never Trump member of the Freedom Caucus is Justin Amash, a Libertarian.

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    • Bye bye Lisa. You will not be missed.

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    • MissV says:

      Holy cow listen to the hysteria just because you called out the steaming pile of sh*t of that bill. After all, Paul Ryan wouldn’t lie. Oh, wait…

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      • cozette says:

        Pence is in charge of Trumps legislative agenda. He’s been working with Congress to be ready to go since Trump won. They were supposed to be ready on Jan. 20th. I give Pence an F.

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    • Jason says:

      Where’s THEIR bill?

      All they could do was complain this one wasn’t what they wanted even though they’ve passed similar multiple times in the past. Why couldn’t they pass it now that a Republican is in the WH to sign it?

      Sorry, you know it’s true, just don’t want to admit people we’ve trusted never had our interests as a priority.

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    • AJ says:

      They also voted for Ryan for Speaker of the House. So they did accomplish something after all.

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    • Don’t buy that pink hat! Don’t buy it.

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    • cozette says:

      That’s what they say. Let’s see them prove they have a Better Way that can pass. Let’s see the Rand Plan that can pass. Tactically they may have helped Trump but they did NOY help Americans. Plus each FC member in heard lied over and over and over or mislead or deflected or omitted important facts. For instance FC said repeal had passed over and over again. False. Repeal had never passed. FC said the American people to repeal Obamacare and that’s what should be done. That’s not true. Trump ran to repeal AND replace. He said he would veto repeal only. Therefore I do NOT trust them. I’m glad it turned out well for Trump but the Never Trumper FC need to be excoriated or they will use their principles to block every one of Trumps bills. They are anti MAGA. Do not take them off the hook. They need to get to YES with Trump. NO is NOT OK.

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      • countrychicken says:

        Sorry cozette but I don’t recall President Trump ever saying repeal and replace in any of his rally speeches. He said repeal, repeal, repeal 0bamacare. The replace part came after he was sworn into office and the Republicans advised him that it would be better to repeal and replace. At least that’s the way I remember it….

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    • Scram and take the inarticulate, camera hugging Gomert with you. DJT isn’t about open border conservatives or the Koch Brother Caucus. He’s a 3rd Party candidate who wore a Republican coat to get elected. Vote for Hillary (or McMuffin) next time.

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    • paljoey says:

      Lisa,
      I’m with you. Shame on Pres. Trump! Joseph Farah had a good commentary at WND.com, THE ART OF A BAD DEAL: Joseph Farah is shocked Trump sided with Ryan over Freedom Caucus:

      http://www.wnd.com/2017/03/the-art-of-a-bad-deal/

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  2. Lisa says:

    Trump is not an idealog & he will work with leftist if it suits him. All of you are siding with the rhinos. These guys are not like cheering face Beck. They are trying to help us not the gov

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    • Martin says:

      Trump not being an ideologue is a good thing. That’s why he was elected to get things done. Everyone else in Congress wants to keep things the same.

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    • WeThePeople2016 says:

      The House Freedom Caucus voted for Paul Ryan as Speaker of the House, not once but twice. They also voted to pass the huge Omnibus spending bill. They are also in bed with big Donors such as the Koch Brothers, Heritage Action, and Club for Growth.

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    • majorstar says:

      If you’re a “true Conservative ™” of the Ted Cruz/Glenn Beck ilk, I’m afraid you won’t get much love here. We’re not that at all.

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      • cozette says:

        Yep. Snake oil “Conservatives.”

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      • countrychicken says:

        Sundance named this site “the conservative treehouse”, I thought it was a site for ALL conservatives, I guess I was wrong. I’m a true Conservative and voted for Trump mostly because he wasn’t an insider. Your comment says a lot about you….

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        • majorstar says:

          I agree. It does say a lot about me. I’m free from this true conservative ™ nonsense. It’s nonsense now, and it’s always been nonsense.

          Sundance can speak for himself, although I note that he’s the one who often disparages the Muh Principles! crowd as much as anyone.

          And just what do you think being “conservative” is? True conservatives ™ don’t think Trump is conservative. To me he is; and to me so am I. But not like the Cruz/Levin/Beck/HFC et al. guys.

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    • benifranlkin says:

      u have lost your way and need to find a new home

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    • TJ Johnson says:

      YOU people supported a constitutionally ineligible CUBACANADIAN!

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    • dekester says:

      BS. Most on this site despise Congress.

      They are pathetic..PDJT was stabbed in the back by scummy assw**e s in the HFC end of story.

      Congress has had seven years to consult and come up with a winner. Primary a handful of them out, using PDJT supporters.

      Fear of losing their seats is all they care about..Principled my arse.

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    • Maquis says:

      Not when they destroy the best chance to cut out all the taxes of Zero-Care and then deliver it to Price to be sliced to little tiny bits, leaving the Anti-American Senate forced to cooperate on completing the final pieces of legislation to refine the entire monstrosity.

      Now, the huge tax savings are flushed away. The lee-way for massive tax overhaul is eliminated, which would have included repatriation of TRILLIONS of US dollars just sitting overseas. That repatriation alone would have produced a huge tax boost for infrastructure, and those TRILLIONS of dollars coming to Ametica are going to be looking for good profitable investments and the economy would explode!

      Then Trump could move to other priorities and accomplish so much that his biography will require multiple volumes to contain all he has accomplished and the national and global consequences theteof.

      Yes. Ryan wrote a sh*t sandwich of a bill, but it was to become as much an empty shell for Price and Trump to rework as was the original bill that Golem Reid hollowed out to create the monstrosity that is already hurting many millions of Americans.

      Your FnC “saved” America from all that good, and injured a great President under unprecedented assaults and crimes by the IC, and your FnC has NO way forward, only the inogomy that history will impose on the unworthy termites obstructing the will of the people in one of the greatest mandates ever confered on a new administration.

      They are self-righteous cancers that simply intend to enable the COMMUNIST party to have their way with the USA and ensure Globalism reigns supreme.

      They disgust me. You and our other new troll friends rise little higher in our estimation. You are contributing nothing. Just like your FnC.

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  3. Albertus Magnus says:

    President Trump will NOT SUPPORT a repeal ONLY bill. He made it clear.

    A repeal bill that does not REPLACE Obamacare with guarantees and protections for the America people will be VETOED by President Trump.

    If you think or ever thought differently, you were either off your meds, high or simply lying to yourself.

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  4. Pam says:

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  5. Luis says:

    Sorry Sundance but this posting is not true. Once again Senator Cruz voting record and consistent fight for conservative values with small government are evidence to prove that this article cannot possible be truth. Freedom caucus members are human beings and not perfect, but the real enemy that Trump needs to fight are Democrats and not Freedom caucus. Mr. Newt Gingrich was correct when he said that Freedom caucus saved Republicans.

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    • JT says:

      I liked Cruz too, at one point in time. Keep in mind he loved TPP, which would’ve destroyed America economically.

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      • Luis says:

        Sorry but Senator Cruz retracted his vote from TPP after he found that McConnell had lied to him. One thing is very clear those who do not learn from history are condemned to repeat it. If Republicans start fighting the people that are working hard to restore law, order and smaller government, then Democrats will regain power and the return of the socialist like the ones in Venezuela, Russia, China, Cuba… will take over again.

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        • So Ted Cruz votes on bills he never read? He sure knew enough of the bill to go out and push it. The only reason Cruz retracted his vote was because of the backlash he received.

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        • sundance says:

          McConnell lied about allowing an Import/Export bank reauthorization bill favored by Democrats.

          That IE lie had nothing to do with TPP.

          Cruz supported TPP and wrote an op-ed with Paul Ryan supporting it…. until he realized opposing TPP was a winning position of Trump.

          Cruz used the Import/Export issue (the “lie”) as a tool to change his position for political benefit. He counted on his supporters being too stupid to see the transparency of it. He was right.

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          • Luis says:

            Sorry Sundance although in this country you are free to post but what you want. Your war to Freedom caucus and particularly to Senators Cruz and Rand Paul is divisive and unproductive. Freedom Caucus is not the real enemy but liberal communists, democrats and republicans. Like it or not President Trump and his and his advisors will achieve better result for the benefit of the country and to keep a Republican majority in congress to success with the country needed agenda, by negotiating with Freedom Caucus rather than bullying at them.

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            • Bob Kalle says:

              Time to see reality. There are six parties right now. There are moderate repubs and moderate dems that want to use common sense and do the right thing. Then there are the liberals that think they are God and want to tell everyone what to do. Then there are the progressives that are in it for the powr and greed. On the other side are the “conservatives ” that want to tell everyone what to do and the RINOS that are in it for the power and the grees. It is not a straight line, but a circle. That is why Trump is fighting so many people and iwill try to establish a base that has a new name.

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            • dizzymissl says:

              Sundance just smacked you down over your lie and you started babbling. Hilarious.

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            • Raven says:

              “Your war to Freedom caucus and particularly to Senators Cruz and Rand Paul is divisive and unproductive.”

              It is not Sundance’s “war,” it is America’s war — our war — made up of the informed masses fighting for our country, and as such this war is anything BUT divisive and unproductive.

              Have you not learned ANYTHING about the liars you so fiercely defend?!

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        • Trumpeter says:

          Kabul theater. Ted Cruz had a super-pac. The head of that super-pac was McConnell’s Senate Office lawyer and close friend.
          How did this come about if there is so much distance between Ted and the DC CoC, oops, I mean McConnell?

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        • kp3ace says:

          Doesn’t Cruz have a staff that could’ve helped him find out about the TPP? He didn’t need to rely on McConnell to either lie or tell him the truth.

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    • cozette says:

      Lol. Thank God the FC can now block tax reform. And infrastructure. And the wall.

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  6. Trump's Aussie Mates says:

    Hey hey, ho ho. Freedom Caucus has to go!

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  7. darththulhu says:

    So many NeverTrump trolls. Your tears never cease to be like unto divine nectar.

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  8. Irons says:

    Could somebody list for me the great accomplishments people calling themselves “conservatives” in congress have made for the American people in the last 20 years?
    I am sure the word meant something good at one time but in recent history it just means liar.

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  9. MissV says:

    Nice try. So what’s your point? Sincerely, I’m asking.

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    • That Trump was the best person for the job, I agree!

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    • Jenny R. says:

      That Trump’s base isn’t, as many of the FC and their supporters let on, limited to “true conservatives”.
      As someone who is an independent, I will second what Darth said: there was no way I’d vote for Hillary (or Bernie) because I will not support a certifiable megalomaniac (or an old socialist), but Jeb was a big “no” for me too, Johnson was a joke, and Cruz was nearly as terrible a pick in my mind as Hillary. He would have led to something worse than Hillary (or a Hillary worse than she is now) if he had by some means gotten in (and honestly, Hillary probably would have won if she was up against him, so there’s that).
      I don’t consider myself a hardcore Trump supporter either…but he was furlongs ahead of the aforementioned. Will Trump get everything he wants done, or rather what his supporters done? No. Will he disappoint? Yes. The world is not a perfect place. Still….
      Hillary is not President. I’m presently content with just that, and have been rewarded with more to boot.
      Yes, watching both left and right sputter has been part of the “to boot” package.

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  10. Alexsandra says:

    I speak for myself but perhaps many others. The things that I think many people who call themselves conservatives, or indeed Americans, are a love of God and family, individuality, Judeo / Christian root of law and the rule of that law while keeping the individual citizen with his rights and freedoms, and, again, the Judeo / Christian work ethic and self-determination, honest charity vs giving to create dependence, and common sense

    We’ve been bereft of that for so long, just hearing talk talk talk about it. And much to our surprise this unlikely person appeared who has become an odd role model — I actually believe him when he says “Almighty God” and I know he loves his family, the rule of law, the rights and freedoms of the people, lives the work ethic by working 15 hour days unpaid yet happy, is charitable, and has common sense. The most unlikely vessel for all that.. But he is exactly that..

    God has given us all another chance, and has given us a leader to help us. Scripture says that God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise (i.e. cunning worldly wise). I know I am one of those foolish things He chose. And I thank Him for our leader also — who has been and continues to be reviled for no good cause but is still the best role model we’ve seen. Think about it.

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  11. Charlie says:

    Reading, started laughing… If treepers can’t get on the same page with facts at your fingertips than how can HFC? Facts supported by graphics, timelines, references, endless documentation and treepers choose to in-fight.

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    • Not one member of the HFC would have beaten Hillary in the election, this is what we need to keep in mind on whose side we are one. Think about it, most members of the HFC were NeverTrumpers.

      Ted Poe was the most honorable member on the HFC, and he quit because of their games.

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    • gamecock123 says:

      With all due respect, treepers know the facts. If you don’t see the big picture that congress is a uniparty than you’re not a treeper, you could possibly be a treeper in training and thats ok, its part of an awakening process. First off lets be clear, if Paul Ryan was on life support and my cell phone went dead…given a choice I’d pull the plug for some phone juice. His pimp daddy is the Chamber of Commerce Tom Donahue and they want Ocare. The HFC’ s pimp daddy is the Koch Bro and they too want O’care. This is the real fight for Trump . They ambushed once. Judge Jeanine called out Ryan and glad and agree she did. But nobody called out the HFC, they still not, so Trump did. Thank God. Trump is working his arse off trying to keep his word, the HFC may not agree with it but we didnt send Trump to cater to special interest we sent him cause know he wont and if that aint good enough for the HFC the my question is what exactly are you guys trying to conserve? As for Ryan and Establishment, we sent Trump to annihilate their agenda and he is doing it. He is working on it and I personally am satisfied thus far. Going to the Dems was smart IMO. Lets see how those up for reelection play out.

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      • Charlie says:

        Agreed! No training pants needed. Sundance gives his (her) ALL every day with undisputed facts and still some cannot image HFC being part of the problem. Colorado
        has rep. Buck, finally (hopefully) he is beginning to understand the forgotten man.

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  12. MissV says:

    I’m flabbergasted at the vicious turn this site has taken in just two weeks. I cannot believe you people choose to ignore the truth about this bill, the man who put it forth in such a shameful manner, the people who will lose coverage, the rising premiums, lack of choice, massive welfare and then shoot the few messengers who want to point it out.

    The Freedom Caucus is not responsible for this bill’s failure. There weren’t anywhere near enough votes to pass it. NOt only that, Ryan repeatedly lied to us about the strategies to get this through the Senate. Just more Bullshit from a man notoriously indifferent to the American people. Plus, the public support for this bill is abysmal.

    Fortunately, I’ve found people whose opinions I respect whose views mirror my own. Thank you, Sean Hannity, speaking now, my own thoughts on this. Thank you, Newt Gingrich, as his guest tonight. He calls it an ‘astonishing failure.’

    Thank you, Pat Buchanan. He writes “First among the losers would have been white working-class folks who delivered the Rust Belt states to President Trump.”

    Thank you Charlie Hurt for saying it best. His headline on Breitbart: “Nuclear Option – Ryancare Opponents Served Constituents, Not Party Bosses.”

    Yeah, I’m ready to be served by Congress, not to serve them. Thank you, Paul Gosar, my rep in CD4 AZ, who had the balls not to cave to the establishment who is screwing over the American public once again.

    And how dare I use my right of speech to buck the tide on this site. Now, let the verbal thrashing and name-calling begin.

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    • Martin says:

      But the Freedom Caucus did vote for Ryan as House Speaker twice. They knew all along that he was a snake so what’s their excuse?

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    • KitKat says:

      There has been no “vicious turn “. Read the banner: I WANT YOU TO BE ANDREW BREITBART. Then please watch Andrew Breitbart on this very short video that Sundance posted last Sunday, so you’ll understand what is going on and your place in it.

      SO YOU WANT A UNITY SPEECH

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      • KitKat says:

        If you’re proud of yourself for “daring to buck the tide” then pardon us if we don’t want to share your high principles in the political wilderness in a nation led by HRC.

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        • pjb535i says:

          This video nails it. Time for the HFC to be Andrew Breitbart.

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        • MissV says:

          You are entitled to your opinion and entitled to express it.

          This board’s assertion that because I don’t think the same way you or they do means that I should be subject to harassment and name calling is wrong.

          You may NOT assume to know what is in my mind or my heart or my soul, however. You don’t know. I find it insulting that you ascribe to me such despicable principles. Go jump in the lake.

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          • Doogiesblog says:

            You seem to put a lot of faith in the HFC, MissV.
            I voted for Trump to see movement forward. HFC may not win every battle with fellow Republicans, but they may win some. We ALL lose if they sit down with the ball and don’t play. That is what they are doing. They need to grow up.

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      • MissV says:

        Kit Kat, go to the top of the page and read the comments after Lisa’s brief statement of disagreement. They are vicious and uncalled for. Not one of them rebuts her statement with facts. It is a shocking, dismaying reaction to a perfectly reasonable statement.

        ANd as far as Andrew – anti-establishment. Anti-insider. Anti-DC. Anti-sheep. ANd FREE F*ing SPEECH.

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        • KitKat says:

          Enjoy HRC, or worse next time around. That is, if there are enough people just like you to deliver that.

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        • Maquis says:

          Whoever and whatever you are, it is you sowing dissension, accusing this site and members of hateful changes and behaviors when it appears that we are being flooded with a fresh crop of trolls coming around to make trouble. No one is trying to pry into your precious mind to tell you what you really think or any other manner of perfidy. Yet you are talking down to people who have EARNED great esteem as thoughtful, wise, intelligent people that do indeed care about each other, this site, Sundance, our President, our Country, our World, our God. I see none of this in you, and, apparently, yours, so, lurker or paid troll or a really irritating condescending troll-bot, you are not making any friends here, nor are you changing hearts or minds. Your kind of vinegar isn’t inviting at all. I am disappointed to see your like assault a thread on CTH like this, but you may very well serve a purpose of some sort. Give me a week or two to consider that one. It’s a tuffy.

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        • Raven says:

          “…and if you are not with us, you are on the other side.”

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    • MissV says:

      Oh, and Lou Dobbs. ‘Legislative Calamity.’ Paul Ryan a ‘tin pot dictator.’

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      • KitKat says:

        You didn’t watch the video.

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      • KitKat says:

        I’d put President Trump’s savvy above Lou Dobb’s any day.

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      • Michael McMahon says:

        The Uni party plays as a team, I play on Trump’s team. I trust Pres Trump I don’t trust uni party. Either you are on trump’s team or you are not. I do not go to the Right Scoop because it is full of Anti Trump comments and they banned me for speaking good about Trump and against Cruz . That is the way it is . I would support Cruz against a uni party but if a conservative ran against Cruz I would support the conservative.

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    • sundance says:

      Let me make it really simple for you. I support President Trump.

      President Trump supported the Healthcare reform bill.

      President Trump is uniquely qualified to be in this position. He said support it, I voted to support him, he knows more about it than me, so I support his request.

      I voted for President Trump to get a job done. I will never take away tools he says he needs to get the job done.

      Period.

      You are either with Trump, or you’re against him. There is no middle ground.

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      • gamecock123 says:

        Thats right Sundance! I wish I was well versed as you.

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      • KitKat says:

        like

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      • Southern Accents says:

        “You are either with Trump, or you’re against him. There is no middle ground.” Really? That’s how you see it? Sounds sort of sick and disgusting. Blindly following someone has never been a strength or weakness of mine. Everyone including my beloved President Trump is capable of making a mistake.

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      • Bree says:

        I couldn’t have said it better! Now what are these HFC lovers gotta say? End of story. You are with 45 or not!!!! Support him.

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        • Americat says:

          Exactly. Thank you, Sundance.
          We trust President Trump; his entire life has been a preparation for his Presidency, through the Grace of God.
          We trust Pres. Trump’s long exemplified brilliance and abilities, now at work for the American people!

          The Freedom Caucus, TV or radio host… no matter how we may have “liked” them…
          must now face the reality that standing with President Trump on his MAGA mission IS Standing With The American People….

          …and to to otherwise… as Breitbart’s words so powerfully echo…
          “…YOU’RE ON THE OTHER SIDE” !

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      • DeWalt says:

        I don’t think everyone sees the long game being played out, and I admit that some of it I don’t understand. But, I do know the man we elected has very clear vision and knows where the goal post are is telling us we needed this play. He has strategized magnificently and I have more faith in him than anyone else I see on the field. Have trust and faith and it will pay dividends.

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      • Scrapiron says:

        Then I guess that even though I voted for Trump, I’m against him. He’s against the FC and they helped get him elected. I don’t blindly follow anyone so, Trump can work with the Democrats and see where that gets him. Unless Trump reevaluates his opinion of the FC. I’ll be withholding my support for him in the future. Good luck with TCT. I’m out of here

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    • mark4trump says:

      “I ran on repealing the Affordable Care Act (ACA) — or “Obamacare” — not two-thirds of it, but the entire thing. The replacement bill — the American Health Care Act, as currently written — repeals the individual mandate and the employer mandate, but fails to end government control of personal health care. — Scott Perry of the Freedom Caucus.

      If the Ryan bill got rid of the employer & individual mandates — doesn’t that take the teeth out of Obamacare? It was a 3 step process dismantling this monstrosity. The Freedom Caucus should have supported this first step. I am furious at Scott Perry, my representative, for being so ‘principled’ that he was a stumbling block to Trump’s efforts. I hope Scott loses his next Primary & we can get someone who uses their head.

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      • zucccchini says:

        I don’t think people trust that they will ever get to Phase II to let alone Phase III. Congress does not have a good track record for staying on point. That seems to be the problem with the Freedom people.

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        • dawndoe says:

          That’s my issue. Believe me, I’d love to be able to eat crow if I’m wrong about that. From what I’ve heard, passing the AHCA will raise our premiums worse than Ocare will.

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    • gamecock123 says:

      Who is ignoring? The billed sucked, we get it, the HFC got stuff on it too and sucked less, but had votes to pass and that was a start. You are mistaken if you think we dont know Ryan is a sorry low down dog, but where was the concern of the people when the HFC put him in? We loathe him back then just as much….and they HFC knew it.

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    • Zeej says:

      Here here

      I stick to the view that all of this is being done by design trump has bigger plans than this stupid bill.

      Personally I’d much rather have him work with Dems on a hill than have the Ryancare bill because it will help start the healing.

      Trust in trump he is no fool.

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    • navysquid says:

      Miss V I am in CD4 as well…I am in the middle on this…I know, I know. I think the ISSUE for me and possibly for others is the messenger: Paul Ryan. I do not trust him. I trust PDJT. I know he was backing this bill and I want/ed to support him. However, I also Gosar, Biggs, Franks, etc who have been straight up conservatives like myself here in AZ.

      So on the final day I was following the Reagan rule of I would rather have 75% of the loaf of bread than have nothing if I couldn’t have 100% of it (paraphrasing). I am glad in the end it got pulled but they need to ALL get into a room and work these differences out and then let Tom Price roll it out whatever it may be…not Ryan. He needs to go along with McConnell.

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    • cozette says:

      How do you consider they saved you or suffering Americans when they voted with ALL of Pelosis team to keep Obamacare rather than moving it on to let the Senate FC work on it? They could have defeated the final reconciled bill if it was worse than keeping Obamacare but they voted to quit immediately. I’m not seeing how that’s good.

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    • john graham says:

      the thing most on here are missing is…we have seen this show before…when the dems sold us amnesty in 1986, and cajoled Reagan into signing it..with a promise or to to “come in the future”…this nonsense bill was the same thing…”phase 2” and “phase 3” …NEVER WOULD HAVE HAPPENED, and they would have hung this around trumps head….WHAT THE HELL HAS HAPPENED TO OUR PARTY, AND OUR COUNTRY??? 7 short years ago, we were screaming “GOVT DOESN’T BELONG IN THE HEALTHCARE BUSINESS”…today we are happy ro have govt running healthcare….as long as our guys are running it….WTF????

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    • Jenny R. says:

      Truly, Ryan did a poor job — but rather than being proactive about amending Ryan’s awful bill, or presenting an alternative, what did the FC do? And now it’s going from there into the tax situation.
      People have a right to be in opposition to you and say so; just as you are voicing your opposition right now.
      And as somebody who has gotten their own share of “dislikers” on this site (hello sweet things, how are you today? bright eyed and busht tailed I’m sure; love you!): it’s known as dealing with opposition, and maybe even “viciousness”…life is full of sharp elbows.
      So, by all means buck the tide, that is the great thing about freedom of speech…but expect some elbows in the ribs, ok?

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    • f104 says:

      I totally agree with you. I am supposed to believe that Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell are my knight in shining Armor and the conservatives are bad? I was for Trump day one but this has me lost. He’s even ditched Michael Savage. I don’t understand snuggling up to the libtards in the Republican party then calling out the conservatives. I don’t have all the answers but that picture doesn’t sound right.

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      • singingsoul says:

        f104 “He’s even ditched Michael Savage. I don’t understand snuggling up to the libtards in the Republican party then calling out the conservatives”
        _______________________
        Why are you telling something that is wrong..? POTUS did not ditch Savage. Savage had dessert with POTUS in Mar O Largo and not even a month ago.
        POTUS got votes not only from Republicans but also from independents and democrats.
        He is America first and HFC is not America first. I am a conservative but I am not an ideologue that I cannot make deals and compromise for the good of the country. These people had 7 years to come up with a counter Obama plan and they did not.
        President Trump is the best and right President for this country at this time in history.

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    • Frankly Ben says:

      MissV, looking to others as authoritative sources to decide who’s right and who’s wrong on this issue will not get any of us closer to understanding.

      We have to ferret out the true motives of the Freedom Caucus by their actions, by what they do and the one question they will not answer is this: what is their solution to unwind Obamacare that will be able to garner enough votes to pass both the house and senate.

      Crickets, that’s their response. If this group were being honest and straight, if they were speaking with integrity, they would propose their path to a PASSABLE bill and then start negotiations to obtain it.

      Where were their negotiations when called in to the White House?

      Where was their legislative solution that faces the reality of less than 60 senators to stop a filibuster. They haven’t even laid down the option of removing the filibuster rule as their solution. Rather they have only contributed a negative response to the initial attempt to remove Obamacare.

      They cannot be taken as honest brokers for a healthcare solution if they refuse to put their cards on the table and demonstrate by their actions that they really do want to compose the best plan possible given the democrats’ ability to stop the non-reconciliation aspect of the ACA.

      What say you?

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      • dawndoe says:

        I thought they had given their plan which part of it is to do everything at once and forego the phases. Cruz asked parliamentarian if doable and was told that it was iffy but looked possible since it could be considered “budgetary”. Then PENCE came in and said no without even TRYING to get it through the senate. Why not just change Senate rules to allow it?

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  13. William Ford says:

    Plenty of GOPe members hate Trump even more than some in FC. Can anyone deny that Paul Ryan is a NeverTrumper. It’s hard to tell if Ryan’s fiasco healthcare bill is incompetence or purposeful sabotage. At least some in FC backed Trump in Sept-Oct. Most in GOPe didn’t…especially Ryan.

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    • KitKat says:

      Paul Ryan yada yada yada.

      That’s not what this is about.

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    • cozette says:

      Ryan publically said he was voting for Trump. The FC are full of public Never Trumpers. Bottom line it was Pence job to get the bill passed and Pence failed miserably. Again. It was good Ryan was humiliated. It is also vital that the FC be excoriated for not getting to yes.

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    • john graham says:

      they want to hang this albatross around trumps neck…the same way the dems hung amnesty around reagans neck….7 short years ago, people were screaming “GOVT DOESN’T BELONG IN THE HEALTHCARE BUSINESS”….now, our side is cool with it…as long as our guys are in control???

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  14. mark4trump says:

    All the other candidates were warmongers except for Rand Paul — who I was starting to like and then he went psycho against Trump’s effort to end Obamacare along with the House Freedom Caucus.

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  15. sundance says:

    All of the Never Trump (Pro-Cruz) supporter responses on this thread are proving my point.

    It’s hilarious. 😀 😀 😀

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  16. Jim says:

    Labrador is my rep. In Idaho. Once I saw him rear up on his hind legs and bark at ag holder. Then they muzzled him and sent him to the garage. This is the first time I have heard of the rat since then.

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  17. gamecock123 says:

    You preaching to the choir honey….we battled scarred…we done been down this road.

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  18. If the HFC is so “pure conservative” why in the heck did they vote for Paul Ryan, not once but twice, for house speaker? Their self proclaimed “pure conservative” gave President Trump someone like RINO Ryan to have to work with but they were hoping for a Hillary win, remember NeverTrump? The HFC obstruction has nothing to do with this healthcare bill after they voted for Ryan’s Omnibus bill that gave Obama more spending money to destroy American taxpayers.

    Jeff Sessions: In the dead of night after 2am this morning, Congressional leadership unveiled a more than 2,000 page ‘omnibus’ year-end funding bill which would, among other things: fully-fund the President’s refugee expansion; fully-fund sanctuary cities; fully-fund the resettlement of illegal aliens youth and their families crossing the border; lock-in tax credits for illegal aliens; and quadruple the highly controversial H-2B foreign worker visa being used to replace Americans as truck drivers, construction workers, theme park employees, and in blue collar jobs across the nation.

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/12/16/jeff_sessions_omnibus_spending_bill_explains_why_voters_are_in_open_rebellion.html#!

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    • I wasn’t troubled by any sex tapes. You do know that Trump denied those allegations, right? Don’t you believe him? Did you ever think that the reason the HFC stood with him is because the allegations weren’t true? Think about it, Trump is huge on loyalty so if these sex tapes existed don’t you think he would be bending over backward for the HFC?

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      • Honestly no I wasn’t. I was working double shifts and I wasn’t around the internet or TV much during that time. I only knew about the allegations by briefly reading it in the Daily Mail. I knew it was just another low ball tactic from the left/ NeverTrumpers and never believed it.

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        • No that doesn’t explain why I wasn’t troubled by it, the reason why I was never troubled by it was because I knew it wasn’t true. Big difference!

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          • This bill wasn’t perfect and I had many reservations about it but I also realized it was just a stepping stone to get things moving toward a full repeal. Trump didn’t vote for Ryan for house speaker, the HFC voted for Ryan twice and because of that it’s Trump who has to work with RINO Ryan.

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    • cozette says:

      The FC is full of open Never Trumpers. Cruz only came on board when Priebus and the Texas GOP proved to him he’d be successfully primaried AND never get GOP funds for another presidential run.

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  19. freddy says:

    To me the freedon caucus is pretending…Their big cheerleader is Mark Levin and they may even be well known at the right scoop……. These guys went along with every bogus deal we have ever seen in the last few years. Now it’s Trump and they get all pure again all of a sudden…….It was a poor bill and much better than what’s out there now. A win would have given everyone wind at their sails and time to repair it…But no Louie had to go all pure on us all of a sudden……….At work I buck the management but when it’s serious I back them and swallow the bad taste….That’s life idiots…..

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  20. MrKkkkkk says:

    Trump needs a bill on his desk to sign. If the Republicans can’t do it by themselves, he will have to deal with Democrats to get to his 50% support. Politics will always continue. If we can increment in the right direction, we should. Phase three is where electoral politics will be fron and center again.

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  21. S. Marie says:

    I am dissapointed at how many people, even avid readers here, still seem to misunderstand the president, IMHO. Trump is a deal maker – for many of us that is what attracted us most to him. He promised to get things done. The AHCA defiantly had its flaws, but my opinion had always been that Trump saw the first draft of the AHCA as his starting bid. All those meetings he has, all those revisions they made, were all designed at reaching a compromise – the fundamental premise of a democratic government. I consider myself a staunch conservative and defiantly thought the bill wasn’t perfect, but it was a static document! And POTUS understands this, which is his brilliance and the republican party’s (all factions included) stupidity. To the freedom caucus – why can’t you work towards making a deal, making progress? To the RINOS, you ran on repeal and replace to, so why can’t you work with the freedom caucus? I am most frustrated that it couldn’t even get to the Senate, where there are even further opportunities for negotiations and adjustments. That is there JOB! I don’t get paid if I refuse to do my job just because I don’t 100% agree on the outcome! I am a transactional Attorney, and I fail if I can’t close the deal! All the republican are playin politics here and it’s infuriating. Too concerned with getting reelcted to ever actually make a decision – to do their job. POTUS didn’t endorse every line of the AHCA when he supported it as the vessel of Obamacare repeal, he simply saw it as an opening bid. For once, I wish the republicans would show gumption. We may be on a winning streak, but all the promises of our elected republican officials seem hollow now. Principles are extremely important l, but we must be able to govern! I will continue to support POTUS above all, regardless of party affinity, so long as he remains the only one who seemingly understand this makes principles of normal everyday life outside of Washington DC.

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    • Ron Garland says:

      The AHCA is supported by just 17% of Americans. We’re not stupid. What’s more, IMHO, it’s every bit as bad as the Obama Iran Nuclear Deal.

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      • cozette says:

        Why on earth would you believe a poll? Who did the poll? Show the link so we can see how it was constructed. Who they sampled. You can’t. You fell for the globalist narrative. Neither GOP or DNC or any corporate media wanted Obamacare repealed. So they gave you a poll that kept it in place. And the polls on Nov. 7 said Hillary had a 98.6% chance of winning. That’s how good propaganda polls are.

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      • john graham says:

        “but it’s okay”…our guys will be in charge!!! WHAT A JOKE….the same people who want this excrement sammich, sundance….are the ones who were screaming the loudest 7 years ago…”THE GOVT DOESN’T BELONG IN THE HEALTHCARE BUSINESS”…..guess that only applies if the dems are in charge

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      • Remington...... says:

        Just curious….where did this 17% number that is being thrown around come from? Has anyone actually seen this poll? Who put it out? What are the particulars? Moreover, when did we start trust polls; especially one I’m betting no one has seen. I’m all ears…tell me about the poll….

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  22. HistorianDave says:

    It is possible that the defenders of the HFC are still “battered conservatives”; it is likely that most are just trolls. The HFC, like the “moderates” who joined them in the no column, are nothing more than controlled opposition as Sundance has been explaining. One thing has been absolutely crystal clear from the sad history of the AHCA…NO Republicans had any desire to see it pass. No Republicans have any interest in repealing obamacare. Not. A. Single. One. This was all classic DC kabuki theater from the beginning. And the beauty is that PDJT knew it. I’m surprised there were no heart attacks reported when he came out in support. I believe this is part of a long game, the President plays waaay better than the enemy, and he has our full support.

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    • S. Marie says:

      Very interesting. I have faith in POTUS’s 4D chess abilities, and hope you are right that he is trying to pull the curtain away from the Wizard of OZ. But the GOP is crazy if they think their base will stay with them. They may not all go to POTUS, but I am dangerously close to never voting for another republican again.

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      • navysquid says:

        We’ve got about 12 months to figure this out because by Mar/Apr 2018 people will be looking at who they are going to be electing as their Senators in a several states and we could lose the Senate even though we SHOULD be picking a few more up IF we play our game right…but good ole R’s we just do not know how to govern and win.

        We’ve given them everything they complained they needed to accomplish OUR goals and then they fall on the their face at the five yard line…

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        • cozette says:

          Pence needs to make sure 2018 is a clean election. It’s 2017 right now.

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        • Jenny R. says:

          I would suggest then that the Republicans (both flavors and any mix inbetween) get off their backsides, find some spine (even if they have to purchase a prosthetic one), and start crafting some legislation that provides a modicum of representation to the American people.
          PS. TARP was not a good model of “representing the people”; neither was the Iran deal.

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      • cozette says:

        Yep. I supported Goldwater. My dad was a republican precinct captain. I’ve never voted for a democrat but if Trump changed his party affiliation to Democrat I would vote for him. Party labels me zero. It’s WWE levels of faker.

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      • john graham says:

        I am to the point of asking…”what’s the point”??? just so the republicans can be in charge of my healthcare???? NO THANKS!!!!

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        • booger71 says:

          The government has been in charge of healthcare and heath insurance for many decades, and never likely to change unless medicare, medicaid, the VA are scrapped, along with Congress’s ability to set cafe standards for minimum care, insurance policy mandates, and dictating which medicines require a doctor’s prescriptions.

          Most of what the Federal government does has no Constitutional backing, but it is what it is, and short of another revolution, I don’t see it changing much, President Trump has given us hope in at least changing part of it around for the better…building a wall, rebuilding the middle class by rebuilding our manufacturing base, less regulations that affect businesses and individuals, retooling the tax code. All the GOP including the Freedom Caucus needs to get on board.

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      • Remington...... says:

        Oh yes….Finally the truth…”the GOP is crazy…’ Something you can take to the bank…

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  23. cozette says:

    Amen!

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  24. Bob Kalle says:

    Thank you, well said.

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  25. georgiafl says:

    Why are we angry with each other and arguing about a Bill that we know so little about?

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    • georgiafl says:

      It would have been better if our politicians – including the House, Senate and Executive branches – had taken it slower, more openly and explained it more carefully and HONESTLY….but there is much dishonesty by every party – except Trump – on this Bill.

      The problem is the special interests – donors, big pharma, insurance industry, big corporations, etc. who are operating their political puppets.

      How can we deal them out???? Or cut them down to size???

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      • georgiafl says:

        BTW – the CTH site is not acting up on my computer today – I hope this doesn’t mean someone here had to stay up all night fixing the problems or fending off malevolent attacks.

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  26. Dave Courtney says:

    Who can’t hear the enthusiasm, who can’t feel the elation, who can’t sense the power and presence of the new day dawning upon the Land…don’t be afraid to be the new American: the USA American, the we won’t stand for the old garbage any more American, the get out of our house and do it right American, the stop selling your bill of fake bills American…get on board, don’t be left at the station, the Freedom Train is leaving and needs you…

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  27. Another point to make: Sundance wants us to know who these FC representatives are by posting their names/faces but when is Sundance going to tell us who is he and give us his photo? Why is this person so secret and yet he stands against “anonymous sources.” Could he be just another mole to divide the Republican Party even further? Why should I believe Sundance? Breitbart News, the very best conservative website, stands with the Freedom Caucus while strongly supporting President Trump. If one really supports a President, one must inform him when he has erred also. Constant praise is not helpful; it is done by followers who don’t dare to think clearly.

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    • Dehbashi says:

      Oh please. After Andrew Breitbart died that site went down the drain. I almost forgot about the site until the primaries because of how bad it became. It improved a little after that weasel Shapiro was gone but it still has huge problems which pops up.

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    • Michael McMahon says:

      I like Bannon but the BB site is not the best. The posters and comments on this website are so much better, The articles are well written and researched as well. You could contact Katie Walsh and see if she has any photos or information on Sundance

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    • Raven says:

      “…it is done by followers who don’t dare to think clearly.”

      Umm, that would be Lyin’ Ted’s people. You won’t find them here.

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  28. People, the facts are Dave Brat eviscerated Cantor deferring mass illegal immigration by the Gang of 8 and during the process plowed the path for Trump. The FC needs to purge NeverTrumpers to gain its bona fides.

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  29. zucccchini says:

    This whole thing is simply a distraction. They had seven years to write a repeal and replace. Freedom Caucus had it in their hands. If they could pass it a couple of years ago and Obama vetoed it, they can pass it again. Most of us have been around long enough to know there would have been no Phase II or Phase III. I believe the Freedom Caucus got it right and Trump is on the wrong side of this. Ryan and McConnell are NOT his friend.

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    • Kaco says:

      Jim Jordan wants a “clean repeal” of Obamacare which cannot happen and will never pass with a 52 majority GOP Senate. Jim Jordan kept moving the goal posts on the bill and doesn’t know how to make deals, that’s why we’re still stuck with Obamacare.

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  30. qwck10th says:

    From what I can tell there are only 2 of the 33 HFC members that were NTs. I took lists of both from Wikipedia* (*asterisk because Wikipedia means Swamp in Leftist Land) and compared them. The data are below. I’m not an expert on either of those groups, so please reply and correct those lists.
    Am I missing something important?

    Seems like there are pieces of the puzzle missing, or something. I won’t pretend to be smart enough to figure out why Trump let Ryan bring that flaming bag of dog poop forward, but it made no sense at all. At the very least the messaging was atrocious. A 17% approval rating for a bill? Seriously? Does Ryan have something on Trump? Did Trump play Ryan? If so, why trash the HFC for standing up for us little guys.

    For my part, please fire Paul Ryan, and give me cash-and-carry, market-based, health care or give me well… That’s your only option. Now, get to work on that! 🙂
    Qwck.

    pardon the formatting…

    House Freedom Caucus from Wikipedia Never Trumpers from the HoR from Wikipedia
    Mark Meadows of North Carolina N
    Justin Amash of Michigan[35] Y Justin Amash, Michigan (2011–present)[28]
    Brian Babin of Texas[36] N Mike Coffman, Colorado (2009–present)[69]
    Joe Barton of Texas[37] N Barbara Comstock, Virginia (2015–present)[70]
    Andy Biggs of Arizona[38] N Carlos Curbelo, Florida (2015–present)[21][71]
    Rod Blum of Iowa[36] N Rodney Davis,[a] Illinois (2013–present)[72]
    Dave Brat of Virginia[39] N Charlie Dent, Pennsylvania (2005–present)[73]
    Jim Bridenstine of Oklahoma[40] N Bob Dold, Illinois (2011–13, 2015–17)[28][74]
    Mo Brooks of Alabama[41][42] N Jeff Fortenberry,[a] Nebraska (2005–present)[72]
    Ken Buck of Colorado[43] N Scott Garrett,[a] New Jersey (2003–2017)[72]
    Warren Davidson of Ohio[44] N Kay Granger,[b] Texas (1997–present)[75]
    Ron DeSantis of Florida[35] N Richard L. Hanna, New York (2011–17) (endorsed Hillary Clinton)[28][76]
    Scott DesJarlais of Tennessee N Cresent Hardy,[a] Nevada (2015–17)[77]
    Jeff Duncan of South Carolina N Joe Heck,[a] Nevada (2011–17); 2016 nominee for U.S. Senate[77]
    Trent Franks of Arizona[43] N Jaime Herrera Beutler, Washington (2011–present) (writing-in Paul Ryan)[78]
    Tom Garrett Jr. of Virginia N Will Hurd, Texas (2015–present)[79]
    Louie Gohmert of Texas[37] N David Jolly, Florida (2014–17)[80]
    Paul Gosar of Arizona[48 N John Katko, New York (2015–present)[81]
    Morgan Griffith of Virginia[3] N Adam Kinzinger, Illinois (2011–present)[82]
    Andy Harris of Maryland[36] N Steve Knight, California (2015–present)[83]
    Jody Hice of Georgia[49] N Frank LoBiondo,[a] New Jersey (1995–present) (writing-in Mike Pence)[84]
    Mike Johnson of Louisiana[50] N Mia Love, Utah (2015–present)[85]
    Jim Jordan of Ohio,[35]  N Pat Meehan,[b] Pennsylvania (2011–present)[84]
    Raúl Labrador of Idaho[35] N Erik Paulsen,[a] Minnesota (2009–present)[86]
    Alex Mooney of West Virginia N Reid Ribble, Wisconsin (2011–17)[28]
    Gary Palmer of Alabama[40] N Scott Rigell, Virginia (2011–17) (endorsed Gary Johnson)[21]
    Steve Pearce of New Mexico[43] N Martha Roby,[b] Alabama (2011–present)[87][88]
    Scott Perry of Pennsylvania[36] N Tom Rooney,[a] Florida (2009–present)[72]
    Bill Posey of Florida[36] N Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, Florida (1989–present)[28]
    Mark Sanford of South Carolina N Mike Simpson,[a] Idaho (1999–present)[11]
    David Schweikert of Arizona[43] N Fred Upton, Michigan (1987–present)[89]
    Randy Weber of Texas[52] N David Valadao, California (2013–present)[90]
    Ted Yoho of Florida[52] N Ann Wagner,[a] Missouri (2013–present)[91]

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  31. Krusaderrabbit says:

    I have been a Trump supporter and voted for him. But I can’t stand his trashing conservatives and throwing in with the Democrats. Reminds me of govennor Jesse Ventura in Minnesota. Makes me concerned.

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  32. Old Ez says:

    I’m going to make one last likely impossible attempt at returning some semblance of sanity to the last refuge of those who were once American conservatives.

    Dear God in Heaven, I’m cyberly on my knees BEGGING, BEGGING you to stop allowing yourselves to be weaponized and pointed by the Establishment at their enemies! PLEASE. PLEASE pause and return to logic!

    Ask yourself, why would a man who is almost assuredly been Trumps strongest and most faithful supporter from the House suddenly be considered a far worst enemy to Trump than Lying Ryan, McConnell, McCain, Ted Cruz, Lee, and Lindsey Graham? Why would Trumps strongest and most faithful supporter from the House suddenly be considered in the same category as Pelosi, Lee, Franken, Schumer, Jarret, Hillary, and Obama?

    As best as I can tell, this is the ONE AND ONLY time Meadows has disagreed with Trump, at least publicly. And he never said anything disparaging about Trump then. And HE WAS RIGHT. This bill was not 2/3 better than Obamacare as is being repeated HERE and elsewhere. Its not 90% better as some said.The failed Ryan-O-Care bill was about 90% AS BAD (or exactly the same) as Obamacare. Worse, if Lying Ryan lied and didn’t carry out parts 2 and 3, it would have been impossible to repeal and been hung around the Republicans necks like a millstone!

    Meadows saved Donald J. Trump and the Republican party, almost single-handedly. And his reward is to be savagely attacked in a PLANNED AND COORDINATED blitzing assault by the MS media, almost all of the major blogs (including this one) of BOTH the LEFT and RIGHT, by the man he has stood by when almost no one else would for months, and by seemly ALL the internet paid trolls and bots on all the comment sections. (for the record, Meadows supporting open borders, government paid late abortions, and all the other policys that Communist/Democrats have in common with Ryan, McConnall and all Establishment Republicans, IS A PURE LIE)

    McConnell and his establishment cohorts have sworn to destroy the grass roots movement that began as the Tea Party. This is their attempt at that deathblow.

    They have pulled every string possible. They have called in every favour. They have spent enormous amounts of money. THEY WANT THIS MORE THAN ANYTHING THEY HAVE WANTED IN YEARS!

    Don’t be their patsy! Don’t be their tool! Don’t help them destroy American, because if they destroy the grass roots now, WE HAVE LOST ALL HOPE OF A PEACEFUL RESOLUTION!!!

    I’m BEGGING. BEGGING, PLEASE stop and think this through carefully! Don’t help them destroy America!

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  33. William Murphy says:

    Why did Ryan hang the HFC out to dry?

    Why did he lie to Donald again?

    Now Trump owes the HFC an apology.

    SOMEONE CALL TRUMP – Ryan is not his friend.

    “WHY AREN’T LIBERAL REPUBLICANS BEING BLAMED FOR RYANCARE’S DEMISE?”

    from Investor’s Business Daily

    “..EVEN IF EVERY FREEDOM CAUCUS MEMBER (HAD) SUPPORTED IT.”

    “44 Republicans who could have cast “no” votes….Of those, only 18 are members of the Freedom Caucus….

    ..that means the other 26 likely “no” votes…MORE THAN ENOUGH to have killed the bill, even if every Freedom —————————————-
    Caucus member supported it.

    “..there was strong opposition to the AHCA from moderate to liberal Republicans.

    “…conservatives who wanted less government and more free market..are taking all the blame — while liberal Republicans get a free pass..”

    http://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/why-arent-liberal-republicans-being-blamed-for-ryancares-demise/

    Ryan lied to Trump twice about the # votes he had, lied to the HFC about reconciliation, and now this Rino cover.

    ********************************
    Remember, Ryan was all for Gang of 8 amnesty. He had the votes.

    Then Eric Cantor lost his seat to a Tea Party guy, Brat (HFC).

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    • Old Ez says:

      Hey I agree. Above here I wrote

      “McConnell and his establishment cohorts have sworn to destroy the grass roots movement that began as the Tea Party. This is their attempt at that deathblow.”.

      McConnell is the Senate face of the Establishment leadership and Ryan is his cohort and the House face of the Establishment leadership. Both have the same number one priority; destroy the grass roots tea party movement. That is more important to them than Trump or any single issue.

      WE are target number one. Trump has been taking the heat for us so long that people have forgotten this. THE GRASS ROOTS MOVEMENT IS THE PRIMARY TARGET. If he would get rid of the movement, they would be constantly on their knees for Trump. We’re THAT much more important for them to kill off.

      Now they have divided us by having someone convince Trump that attacking the Movement was a good idea.

      Thanks for those numbers. I hadn’t seen them. Maybe they provide an answer to HOW someone convinced Trump to attack the Movement.

      Maybe someone looking at these numbers tells Trump that he has “26 House members that aren’t lockstep with Ryan and could be moved. Lets put high pressure on the HFC, because we aren’t gonna lose them, just to show these guys what kind of heat we can bring even to our friends with only a few words. We’ll put the Fear of God into them with the worry of what we can do to them if we ever come down hard against them. After this we have to pick a couple out to be extra good to, to show them what playing nice with us can do FOR them.”.

      Carrot and stick, carrot and stick, it’s all about carrot and stick.

      We can confirm this theory if soon Trump picks out two or more of the people who likely would have voted against Ryan-O-Care and does some big favors or unexpected public uplifting. I would think the couple who were the most open about their vote and estranged from Establishment leadership.

      Or maybe we’ve been had… Time will tell.

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  34. barton2016 says:

    The Ted Cruz Rush Limbaugh caucus will be voting no until the entire system collapses and we get single payer. Hmm maybe that was their plan all along?? It makes you wonder.

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    • Old Ez says:

      Hmmm, you do know that Ted Cruz and Rush Limbaugh are not members of the House and being a House member would be a requirement for being a House Freedom Caucus member?

      Did you see where someone on this thread did a check and found that while there are a couple of Never-Trumpers in the HFC, like the type people often associated with Ted Cruz, there are about 15 TIMES more members who are not?

      Did you know that HFC members aren’t bound to vote as a group, but as far as I can tell, they have always voted toward smaller government as a group and overwhelmingly so as individuals?

      Smaller constitutional government that answers to the people is their reason to caucus. Single payer heath care is in opposition to that reason.

      So no. You are just wrong in much every way there.

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  35. zucccchini says:

    I think we are mixing what usually happens to what we WANT to happen. You always go in asking for more than you know you can get. I just assumed Trump knows this. HFC asks for it all, it passes the House…gives the Senate less to cut out as they chop it up and then it goes back to the House. If it does not pass the Senate, the Democrats will be the ones NOT FIXING OBAMACARE and will truly own Obamacare and all its horrors. Some Republicans just don’t want to play ball because they are walking Dems with an (R) in front of their names.

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