Senator Rand Paul Says He Has The Healthcare Solution…

Senator Rand Paul, Mike Lee and Ted Cruz pushed the House Freedom Caucus to remain firm in opposition to President Trump.

Having successfully defeated his opposition, Senator Paul pulls out the UniParty dance music and proposes solutions that can go no-where.  As you watch this, remember the House and Senate schedule spring break is next week…. Ergo Paul says “legislation should be brought up next week” blah-blah-blah.

This is a familiar UniParty ‘controlled opposition‘ trick.  Go public and make the solution something you know has absolutely no chance of even being explored.  Makes the abuser look great, and keeps the abused thinking their abuser is dreamy.

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Once you see the strings on the Marionettes you can never go back to a time when you enjoyed the puppet show and didn’t notice them.  Rand Paul is the guy running for Class President saying every student should have a convertible – who can disagree?

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398 Responses to Senator Rand Paul Says He Has The Healthcare Solution…

  1. Albertus Magnus says:

    there are 2 key things that don’t change and one day people will realize how you lost this chance.

    1) the House could have voted for this bill and then still made changes in the conference bill after the senate passed their version. There was still time to make changes but now the bill is off the table.

    2) if Paul got his bill through Congress, President Trump will veto any repeal only bill. He does not lie. He not only campaign FOR repeal and replace but also AGAINST real only.

    He is an American First guy. He is NOT some stupid Cruz conservative.

    This really was the only chance for this. You simply don’t understand what you did OR you don’t care. I feel like this best chance in my lifetime to save our country from the socialized medicine that is coming is now gone.

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  2. navysquid says:

    We all should have seen this coming, when after seven years of our politicians “playing Congress”, and we thinking we had representation, when it came time to leave the Forward Operating Base (FOB) we realized there was no ammunition by our side. Our Commander (PDJT) was ready to lead as is his calling, but the troops did not do their ADVANCED due diligence by presenting a plan. We had too many “Captains and Lieutenants” handing out orders instead of listening to the clear commands of its leader PDJT.

    Congress has had seven years to roll out a plan that provides the ideas we want and we found out that there were many “soldiers, sailors, airmen, and marines” that would have rather remained back at the base yelling out where the bad guys were and saying they had a better plan than getting engaged in the actual fight (voting!!!).

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    • Texmom says:

      That sums it up well.

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      • navysquid says:

        come to think of it Texmom…whenever we left the FOB and got engaged in a fight we didn’t say to the enemy, wait a minute, I didn’t know you were going to attack us in such and such manner, we need to go back to the base and prepare better. No! You fight with what you got and you never disengage until the enemy is defeated.

        We have too many on our side that so used to losing (being in the minority) that they do not know how to fight and when engaged do not know how to strategize and win. I’m confident in PDJT as he has been in battles for decades with all kinds of enemies…but he is only ONE vote per se. All of Congress has 535 votes and he needs 217(H) and 51 or 60 (S) to get his battles won. This next go around, like Lincoln, he needs to fire his Generals until he finds his Grant.

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    • Howie says:

      He has to pit the two wings of the Uniparty against themselves to weed out all the corruption. Note that both wings pushed their plans without collaboration or fingerprints of the other wing. To get a decent deal BOTH wings of them have to do it. he can use all the democrat complaints about the republicans and all the republican complaints about the democrats. Then he will state the truth….they are both right. They all suck! Checkmate.

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    • If voting mattered it wouldn’t be allowed. So many seem to discount that little truism, especially now that the globalist psychopaths have their slimy tentacles in EVERY aspect of “government”. And… we ain’t seen nothin’ yet.

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      • Bubba says:

        Finally, someone see this besides me. All this chatter about different plans and strategies and who to blame. blah blah blah. The game is rigged. The casino always wins in the end. We either burn it down (figuratively) and start over or we lose.

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  3. Rainy says:

    33 Senate seats 2018. What’s the plan?

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  4. Howie says:

    The Uniparty is just that. One party. The people are the other party. Trump has to make a deal between the two parties to the contract. Due to the Uniparty never ending good cop bad cop scheme the most of the people are fooled. Our good president is positioning himself to make the Uniparty an offer it can’t refuse, on behalf of all the people. Even those who are still fooled. Bet the ranch.

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  5. JoD says:

    “I said, Rand, I’ve had you up to here!”
    “I have never attacked him on his look, and believe me, there’s plenty of subject matter right there.”
    Holy Shit, Rand Paul just got BTFO, the manlett will never recover from this epic stumping!
    Volume 4
    Those were the days!!!

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  6. AndrewJackson says:

    It saddens me to see Rand come to this. It was Rand’s father Ron who helped spur most of my beliefs that I most entirely still hold to today. SD is right about Rand. He has a brand and the role he plays is “Extreme Conservative” that stands on “principles”. The thing that this guy doesn’t understand is that actions have consequences. There is a finite amount of time to get the momentum going. By the Time 2018 comes around, everyone and his mother will be thinking about not upsetting their constituents, making tight votes impossible. This bill, while not perfect, would be at least a meager answer to the anger and frustration that kept these crooks in power since Obama was put into power. And it would have been a major victory that would have been rolled into the next deal. This is very reminiscent of the first republican debate when Rand decided to attack Trump because he wasn’t a real conservative.

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    • ron and rand paul are politicians. The only real work either of them ever did was not for We the People.

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      • GREENMIRROR says:

        Amen

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      • Maquis says:

        Amen here too!

        I despise these Fools. I wish there were a way to wake the People the H377 up! I think we need Max Headroom to hack every media out there, country-wide, 24/7/365. Screw the SuperBowl, we are saving our Country here people!

        Spit!

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      • mike says:

        Ron Paul helped create the very basic conversation about what American should be, when no one else could or would. Ron seems to have lived a fairly exempleary life as a small town physician and principled politics (even if you disagree with them). Through Ron we know a lot of things today, that we would know less about the NWO and Congress. Rand is not the same timber, by a long shot. he tries to play the game, wrestling in the mud, often merely getting muddy

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        • Mike says:

          You either need a LOT more Ron Paul or give up completely and just fall to the dark side.
          Sorry, I’ll take Dr. Ronald Earnest Paul any day over giving up.
          Principles people. They are important in all things. Are we that far gone now that we blame the good for the failures of the complacent?

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          • singingsoul says:

            Mike just because Ron is a dr does not make him a politician I trust. He is not going any place because she is out of the main stream with most people. I do not like him never did . He is not trustworthy..

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            • Mike says:

              Yesterday was political victory for President Trump and the deplorables.
              He not only hung the dead bird called 0bamacare back around 0bama’s neck but also around RIN0 Ryan’s neck as well and now we get to watch them sink together.

              Have faith. This is long term 12 dimensional chess.

              In the coming months and years you are going to see that President Trump is a lot closer to Rand Paul than anyone here believes.

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              • marcyo13 says:

                Sadly, I think Sundance is 100% on target. Washington is a corporate entity that is no longer owned by the people. Rand just plays his role in the puppet show because that’s how he keeps his family living the high life.

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                • 2x4x8 says:

                  ????????????

                  so, let me get this straight? the US Chamber of Commerce writes the Ryan HealthCare Bill, Rand Paul stops it and Rand Paul is the problem?

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              • GForce says:

                Mike, I agree! Who helped him win? Rand Paul did! I’m confused with SD stance on this, have been for weeks and have been holding back joining the conversation, while trying to get a grasp on it.
                If the vote was there yesterday we all would have been strapped with Obama Care forever. Make no mistake, it was still Obama Care. I get the whole “reconciliation” process, need to do it now, argument. Does anyone really believe all 3 phases would have succeeded?
                Trump would be strapped with the fall-out, not a great position for the Mid Terms or re-election..
                Ryan threw the “Hail Mary”; Rand Paul refused to catch it, while making it look like he’s giving it his all. Coach Trump leans back in his big comfy chair wearing a satisfied grin.
                The games not over on this folks, not even close. Trump is looking way down the field, and I believe he really wants true repeal.

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                • Linda Smith says:

                  Totally agree with you GFrorce….Rand saved Trump’s bacon, but Trump knew this by his meetings with him and the caucus. Trump just went ahead and played Ryan and showed the world Ryan hasn’t got what it takes to lead. I saw a post by Trump, telling everyone….’Obamacare will explode and we will all get together and piece together a great healthcare plan for THE PEOPLE. Do not worry.’

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                • TRiUMPh says:

                  GForce,

                  We join you in your confusion: normally when we go to a ‘ballgame’ or any game of chance, there is a scorecard, showing which players are on which team, and we each get a ‘team’ to root for. Having Paul Ryan and PDJT on the same team makes from little to no sense to us; Ryan is a major #NeverTrumper, and Hates every breath The Donald takes, and will do anything to see him fail and then the “I like Paul” from PDJT is a game-within-the-game. BUT! the other #NeverTrump player on ‘our team’ that we can’t figure out is Tom Price. Why did Trump pick Price to head up HHS and have any say in writing this repeal/replace legislation.

                  Speaking of writing this legislation, at one point we are told that ‘no politicians write legislation’ it is done by corporations and special interest groups, and then we are told that Tom Price wrote this repeal/replace legislation, even though he was a Sea Island #NeverTrump Cabal attendee. How can he now be looking after PDJT’s interests.

                  We’re with you GForce when you say, “The game is not over here folks, not even close…” We’re just wish we had a scorecard to identify whose on whose team.

                  The real problem as we see it is ‘The Game’ that they are playing with our healthcare system is making everyone sick….;(

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                • LMS says:

                  I think Trump is playing the long game with this as well. He silently, watchfully wanted and likely knew Ryan’s bill would fail. Now Obamacare will die too and he can work on a bill that is more in line with what he thinks American’s want. He had to play it this way, and likely, hopefully, Ryan will not be Speaker for too long too. Trump is very smart…. I never thought for a minute that he actually supported Ryan.

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            • Katherine P Sigel says:

              Yes, because they drank from the swamp and became intoxicated.

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          • majorstar says:

            Neither side in a democracy (okay, a “republic”) gets to implement its ideology in a pure fashion. Being “principled” doesn’t have to mean having a rigid, inflexible, dogmatic ideology. It’s basically a canard to assert Paul and his co-conspirators are the only ones being “principled”. Trump is also very principled. I don’t the word means what you think it means.

            But nonetheless, ideological factions in America have to make compromises in order to govern. This is the problem with the GOP pseudo-purists. They seem to believe it’s better just to jump off a cliff holding the flag rather than reach a compromise. They are essentially fools and munchkins.

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      • He lost me when he voted for Mitch McConnell.

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    • grannysue says:

      Anyone who sides with Cruz is totally uniparty. But, that said, most people can see it now. They are out in the open.

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    • BigMamaTEA says:

      Uh, Sd, excuse me; but “spring break” for them are the weeks of April 10th-13th and April 17th-21st.

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    • helix35 says:

      Thank you Sundance for removing the scales from my eyes. I’m depressed and enlightened.

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    • Tenet says:

      I agree, except with the “actions have consequences”. That line is a leftist propaganda thing: “Ideas have consequences!” It is used to mean that any criticism of immigration leads to concentration camps.

      It’s also a stupid line. Everyone knows that ideas (or actions) have consequences if you implement them, that’s the whole POINT. It’s a completely superfluous statement. What they really want to say is “The Right’s ideas have evil consequences.”

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    • fazsha says:

      Rand merely wants to help people who are currently covered under ObamaCare by letting them negotiate as a group. Why is Bolling pressing for THIS legislation, which by only allowing insurance companies to charge 30% more for one year only to someone who didn’t have insurance, got sick and then went to buy insurance, is screwing up “insurance”. Insurance must, must, must be able to set prices in such a way so they can reasonably be sure not to lose money. We can get a better bill – this one had socialist ideas in it.

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    • Paul Revere says:

      F&%K Rand Paul the puppet man. He cares nothing for you as long as HIS health care is provided for by US!

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      • majorstar says:

        Libertarians are completely irresponsible.

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        • No, we aren’t! You are casting a mighty wide net, majorstar! We strive to convince people that our ideas are best for achieving a healthy, strong economy in a healthy, strong country. Our ideas rely on free markets and free minds.

          For those trashing Rand Paul, I’d like to point out that he, too, is a medical doctor, not unlike several other Congress people and Cabinet members. Even when I don’t agree with doctors, I have to admit that they are more rational and intelligent than most of the US population.

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    • Daniel says:

      But what if he opposed RyanCare cause he knew it would be just as bad as OvamaCare at keeping premiums low? He saved Trump from a big albatross around his neck.

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  7. StuckInBlue says:

    In a perfect world, the 16th and 17th Amendments would be repealed.

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  8. Orygun says:

    I am not giving up on my President quite yet. He knows who all these players are and he knew from the beginning of the closed room Obamacare 2.0 that it was theater. My thought is he is trying for a vote on a new Speaker of the House to try to get someone that will actually work with him instead of against him.
    One of the major points of making a deal is being able to walk from the table and he just did.

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    • cozette says:

      When Trump talked to Acosta just now he said he’d wait for Obamacare premiums to continue skyrocketing then perhaps moderate dems will work with moderate GOP members to craft something better so he doesn’t need the Freedom Caucus ideologues in order to pass a bill that helps Americans out.

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      • elleb77 says:

        Dems will never work with him. As OCare dies, they will blame him for changing some of the mandates via EO. Never gonna happen.

        Trump said he could/would fix it. We are waiting. Some people can not afford to wait any longer as their lives are being permanently destroyed.

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        • Founding Fathers Fan says:

          A President cannot legally repeal a law. He issued a written statement of his plans for the first 100 days. One of the 28 items is:
          23. Work with Congress on a Repeal and Replace Obamacare ActFully repeals Obamacare and replaces it with Health Savings Accounts, the ability to purchase health insurance across state lines, and lets states manage Medicaid funds. Reforms will also include cutting the red tape at the FDA: there are over 4,000 drugs awaiting approval, and we especially want to speed the approval of life-saving medications. He did that but Congress did not support him. http://patriotjournal.com/trump-releases-28-point-plan-for-his-presidency/

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          • mike says:

            1. We need access to inexpensive generic drugs. Some very important generic drugs are not available in the US, due to FDA (non)approvals or multidecade delays. Many generic drugs are priced 10x, 100x, even 1000x more competitive world prices, coming from the same source.

            If we need a drug for cancer or some awful disease that is not available in the US, we should have the no questions right to bring it in ourselves.

            2. The FDA continues to harrass the vitamin world on some important items. These can make a lot of difference on sick people. The harrassment is often because someone wants to collect the “drug price” as an orphan drug, by shooting the parents first !

            3. We need to have more inexpensive education options for future healthcare providers. More of student doctors’ education could be low cost online, perhaps even public domain education segments. Slower but way cheaper.

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        • moosebytes says:

          The “media” is already going with this. As OCare implodes and more and more people are made to suffer, it will be the Repubs fault for promising to fix it and then not following up on that promise. If I had to make a list of “the enemy”. I’d put the “media” at the very top.

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        • Southern Son says:

          Why are so many blaming President Trump, and ready to Give Up on Him aND Our Movement?
          Winners Never Quit!
          This Man, has given up a Beautiful Life, to Fight for Us.
          Ingrates…Out of my foxhole!
          I Pledge Unwavering Support to him and Our Movement.
          The problems are because GlobalCommieProgs are dug in like a Tick.
          Trump is holdin’ a Bic lighter to their tail. It’s gonna take some time folks.
          Please Do Not abandon Our Movement.
          We’ve only got this One Shot…

          Press ON!

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          • I agree seems funny how some are ready to throw in the towel 65 days into the term the first time something does not go their way.. smh
            I don’t consider this a set back for President Trump at all he showed he is willing to pull all sides together & let them talk he knows now what is up with these treacherous bums we have in Congress.

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            • CC says:

              I agree! I can’t believe the posters here taking about how they’re giving up on Trump, and Trump lost this battle, and blah blah blah. To all those here who have decided NOT to support our President, piss off. We don’t need whiners, yellow bellies, and scaredy cats. And who would want those in the trenches with us anyway. Not me! I SUPPORT PRESIDENT TRUMP. Period.

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    • LibertyVibe says:

      I will never give up on him. Not after what he has given up for us. He deserves our loyalty. We KNOW how sleazy Lyin’ Ted and the Never Trumpers are. Everyday, God continues to bring the impurities to the surface, and expose the dross.

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      • shallbe4 says:

        Liberty nor will I ever give up on Donald J. Trump. Much as the left hates to admit it but while they have tried to destroy our President and those who voted for him he’s still standing and he proves them wrong everytime. However every single day they come up with some sure fired plan to finish him. There will be another Healthcare bill closer to the elections in 18 and hopefully both parties will work to make it happen. After all even good Dem voters are sick to death of paid hatred substituting for hard work to make this country a better place.

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        • LibertyVibe says:

          Agreed. But I do think there are some dark days ahead, before America learns her lesson. By ’18, she will most likely be ready to do what needs to be done. Makes me sad though. People can’t see.

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          • WVPatriot says:

            Ignorance is rampant, and drugs are finishing off the rest of the “convenient idiots.”

            Symbolically, Aldous Huxley’s soma must have been used to describe cannabis…that is another drug that has slowed what neurons these self-hating individuals might still possess.

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            • Katherine P Sigel says:

              WV, not trying to change the subject, but CBD (canabidiol) has been very instrumental on saving the lives of many children with severe seizures.

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    • Tenet says:

      Trump just won two things:

      -A chance to get rid of Paul Ryan, one of his biggest enemies in Congress

      -The chance to leave responsibility for Obamacare repeal entirely in the hands of Congress. When they make a hard repeal in the future, and TV news start doing tear-jerking stories about poor losing their insurance, he can say “Hey, I tried a soft repeal, Congress wouldn’t have it. This hard repeal is entirely on them.”

      The hard repeal will come after the 2018 elections when the GOP has more people in the Senate. (Which they will. Many of the seats up for election are now held by Democrats in states that usually go Republican or are swing states.)

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      • mike says:

        Let the blame games begin.
        Then try, and execute Pelosi, Obama, Tom D as mega criminals.

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      • Rick says:

        I certainly hope your theory regarding the 2018 elections for the Senate is correct. I am far from taking that for granted. Dems are great at spin. Who are the folks who have both houses of Congress as well as the presidency? Who didn’t get seven years of promises across the finish line? For those who were sitting on the fence and we’re persuaded to put their trust in Trump, they may very well be back on that fence. The administration needs to get re-engaged in this fight and come up with the healthcare plan they spoke of the past 7 years. Clear the deck, to include Ryan. People need to see the “You’re fired” person we elected.

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      • crickets … they will not force Ryan out as speaker he is after all one of them a uniparty HACK.

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      • majorstar says:

        Don’t be idiotic. There is NO WAY under the sun that there will ever be the votes in Congress for your “hard repeal”. Please give me a puff of what you’re smokin’.

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    • “I am not giving up on my President quite yet.”

      Orygun, you must have some sort of mental disorder. POTUS doesn’t push the House vote, POS Paul Ryan does that; POTUS doesn’t count the noses, the House Whip does that.

      What the hell are you talking about giving up on POTUS? Get a grip!

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    • RG says:

      Until Trump turns into a D.C. thug like many have, he will always have my support. Your comment, “I am not giving up on my President quite yet,” makes everything else you say irrelevant. Trump is the only thing standing between us and a model Banana Republic.

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  9. TrialByTruth says:

    Somebody photoshop some bird poo in that picture and it would be perfect.

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    • WVPatriot says:

      I would like them to give the country and all of us a break, and go home to their real jobs.

      Ooops, forgot they have never had a real job…only sucking at the federal teat on the back of tax payers sweat, blood and tears. Would sociopaths be the correct psychosis?

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  10. SteveFrench says:

    Randlet the Manlet. I once had high hopes for you

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  11. Wend says:

    Me too. Seems like a long time ago he was my candidate-of course BPDJT.

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  12. Pilate says:

    Hey Congress Critters.
    Repeal.Full Stop.
    I will even show you how…
    I am repealing my federal taxes from participation in your Kabuki Cabal.
    Come and get me.

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    • Kintbury says:

      Unless they repeal the filibuster, they cannot get a full repeal past the Senate. What do you now that everyone else doesn’t? Perhaps you could have a word in the shell-like ear of McConnell. He should have already made those changes.

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      • majorstar says:

        Even if they nuke the filibuster, I doubt you could get 50 or 51 Republicans to repeal it in full with no waiting replacement along the lines of what the Freedom Circus just trashed.

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  13. pooteeweet says:

    If we want Trump to succeed we better be ready for a full out propaganda war. Never Trumpers, Lee, Paul, and Cruz cheering on the never Trumpers in HFC to defeat trumps agenda while McCain was trashing him overseas. Some voted for Hillary!! They did damage to trump but the greatest damage was to the American citizen. Better shape up, they are the same never Trumpers we faced in the election. They haven’t gone anywhere but are stronger since they have thrown in with all the progressive trolls to stop Trump’s agenda.

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  14. RC says:

    The high cost of US health care has its root in multiple government interventions, extending over more than a century. This problem is generated by multiple MONOPOLIES — in medical research, doctors, medicines, medical technology and insurance companies — all of which are protected by layers of government collusion, through such outright US agencies as the FDA and the CDC and through quasi-government agencies such as AMA Certification and State Insurance Boards, with treatment protocols intended to manage, rather than cure a particular illness.

    As a result of such MONOPOLIES, the US spends over 16% of GDP on health care for only a portion of the population, while countries such as Denmark, Sweden, Germany, Japan spend 8% of GDP with health care for everyone and by every measure of life expectancy and health we fall behind these countries in terms of duration and quality of life.

    The only way to bring health costs down is to withdraw government MONOPOLY PROTECTION. For example, the US might extend drug and medical device patent protection from the current 20 years to 30 years on the condition that the patent holder licenses a minimum of 5 other producers. Failure to do so, would limit the patent to 5 years.

    As for medical personnel restrictions, state governments might establish intermediate licenses based on real technical criteria — with first line care provided in competing Health Centers staffed by Pharmacists, Nurse Practitioners and Midwives, perhaps overseen by a single Doctor. Intermediate licensing would have the advantage of a career path for ambitious health practitioners, who could pursue advancement through seasonal conferences / weekly seminars and / or sabbaticals.

    Then again, the time is long past when a single Medical Society, such as the AMA, can legitimately claim a lock on health care reimbursement. * * * Naturopathy, Homeopathy, Chiropractic, Acupuncture and other health disciplines, with a coherent scientific approach and proven track record, should have equal access to insurance payment. In a truly free market-place, these and other alternative practitioners would soon find insurers if their protocols were effective.

    And what about Medical Malpractice? I would propose that health practitioners form Professional Associations to control the qualifications of members, set practice standards and prices. Importantly, the Naturopathy Association of Arizona, the Homeopathy Association of Iowa, the Chiropractic Association of Maine would stand surety for their members. A former patient with a complaint could only sue the Association, not the individual doctor. It goes without belaboring, the Association would have a very strong incentive to ensure the ongoing competence of its members and, perhaps, establish a self-insurance program, thereby eliminating the profit motive of a third party and thereby lower operating costs.

    * * * My elderly Mother was inexpensively cured of Stage 4 Malignant Melanoma tumors with 4 months of juices, 8 cents of natural thyroid per day and a 21 amino acid blend. She went on to live cancer-free 15 years and died of a stroke at nearly 85. An elderly friend has been now been saved from open heart surgery with an inexpensive combination of L-Carnitine + Ribose + Co-Enzime Q10 4 times per day. A sister with 2 broken vertebra, 13 years ago, was spared addictive pain drugs with Acupuncture twice a week followed by 1/2 hour of Physiotherapy 3 times a week. But pride of place goes to 2 Australian GPs who solved the millennial scourge of stomach ulcers with a 21-day therapy of antibiotics. Thoroughly trashed by US Gastroenterologists and the CDC, which called the protocol a Quack-therapy for near 20-years, these back-country GPs went on to win the Nobel Prize for medicine!

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    • wolfmoon1776 says:

      “But pride of place goes to 2 Australian GPs who solved the millennial scourge of stomach ulcers with a 21-day therapy of antibiotics. Thoroughly trashed by US Gastroenterologists and the CDC, which called the protocol a Quack-therapy for near 20-years, these back-country GPs went on to win the Nobel Prize for medicine!”

      Wow. Fascinating.

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      • JoAnn Leichliter says:

        Yes, it turns out that many stomach ulcers are caused by bacterial infection and can be cured by thebuse of antibiotics. The researcher at Creighton University who investigated and proved the familial (genetic) connection of certain cancers was scorned and ridiculed by his colleagues. His research is now saving lives…

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      • There’s a ton of what I call “woo-woo” science throughout RC’s comment, but I’ll stick to those last two sentences, to keep it simple. I’m willing to agree to disagree on the rest. Those two “back-country GPs” were researchers Robin Warren (Pathologist) and Barry Marshall (Microbiologist) at the Royal Perth Hospital, a world-class teaching facility, the largest hospital in Western Australia. (I read about them in a Research Discoveries course, part of my Continuing Medical Education credits.)

        Their shared Nobel is in Physiology/Medicine (2005), the only Australian Nobel related to ulcer research. And they did not invent the 21-day antibiotic therapy. In fact one of them had to take the antibiotics himself after intentional infection as part of their experiments.

        What they did do (and it was a breakthrough) was discover, isolate and identify the bacterium Helicobacter pylori as the direct cause of gastritis and peptic ulcers. Prior to their research the prevailing medical doctrine held that ulcers were caused by stress, spicy foods and excess acid. They disproved that.

        No one called them quacks. There was just the ordinary level of scientific skepticism prior to the replication of their experiments. Marshall is kind of an egotist, and he said in a 1998 interview that “Everyone was against me, but I knew I was right.” He naively thought the scientific community would just immediately accept the assertions in their papers without testing the hypothesis. That isn’t how medicine works.

        Here’s the whole backstory of the rumor about Marshall’s work being ridiculed, if you are interested: http://www.csicop.org/si/show/bacteria_ulcers_and_ostracism_h._pylori_and_the_making_of_a_myth

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        • wolfmoon1776 says:

          Awesome! Thanks for that! That’s closer to the perspective I had traditionally heard. Same facts painted differently.

          This whole topic (minority viewpoints in science) is, incidentally, why I’m so adamant about getting the politics of both left and right out of science. Even in the normal construct of properly functioning science, a minority viewpoint always feels like it’s “me against the world” just within the scientific community (of which I was once a part). When those viewpoints get pushed outside the scientific community proper (and you start reading what is clearly good science on blogs and websites), then you have a problem, as we’ve had under Obama.

          Yeah, I agree about the woo. I avoided comment on it because we are currently in a dangerous spot, where the Democrats are actively working the web to conflate opposition to their climate agenda with as much woo as they can dump onto us. I’ve been playing disinformation detective on that, lately, to see where the “flat earth” craziness has been coming from. It leads to interesting places – I’ll be posting about that soon.

          They want the fight to be on the woo – not on fixing science.

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        • RC says:

          Hey Mikey — glad you have no problem with my attributing US health care costing twice that of Denmark, Sweden, Germany to government protected MONOPOLY. Obviously, the best way to cut health care waste is to withdraw MONOPOLY PROTECTION. Let the marketplace and the courts sort out which therapies for cancer, diabetes et al are worthless.

          Apropos of stomach ulcers, the contemporary medical doctor cited in your link reports that her peers in 1984 called Drs. Warren and Marshall “frauds” and that the US CDC — obviously the official front for Gastroenterologists — only recognized the antibiotic therapy in 1997, thirteen years later. The actual doctors who swung around to antibiotics were not the Gastro specialists, but regular GPs. Rather than challenging the Gastros with an outright ulcer diagnosis, and face the loss of medical license, these GPs quietly prescribed antibiotics for patients presenting (unspecified) symptoms. By 1997 the millennial ulcer epidemic was over, to the immense relief of sufferers, great satisfaction of GPs and lowered insurance payments for bi-monthly Gastro visits, prescriptions of Tagamet / Zantac and Psychiatric help on stress management.

          Apologies to Royal Perth Hospital. As a former Scottish university student, “Australia” was very unfairly deemed “back-country.”

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    • gerkenstein says:

      You are exactly correct. The whole system needs to be overhauled. With lots more liberty.

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    • Good post, RC, but… ” Naturopathy, Homeopathy, Chiropractic, Acupuncture and other health disciplines, with a coherent scientific approach and proven track record,” are getting along just fine without having access to insurance. Leave them alone.

      Remember, “He who has the Gold, rules.” Insurance coverage of those disciplines you mentioned above guarantee a huge price increase and continuing increases thereafter.

      When will we ever learn? The patient must be responsible for his/her health care and for paying for same. Also, remember those wonderful countries mentioned above all have their own issues with cost and scarcity.

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  15. Blade says:

    Having successfully defeated his opposition, Senator Paul pulls out the UniParty dance music and proposes solutions that can go no-where.

    Rand Paul is the guy running for Class President saying every student should have a convertible – who can disagree?

    You really couldn’t state that any better.

    This is now the 2nd time recently that I believed Rand Paul less than Paul Ryan. In fact Rand Paul is acting the same as all campaigning (D)ummycrat promise-makers, the only difference being is that 100% of (D)ummycrats believe their bullsh!t while a minority of (R)epublicans ever really do.

    So a new faction is born, the merging of the doctrinaire purists … Levintards + Cruztards + Paultards … and they will save America by saving Obamacare! … yay team!

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    • Blade, you nailed it Dude! Levin’s 3X5 card writer (that he reads and needs to be coherent, somewhat) is Amanda Carpenter, a known bedmate of the ostensibly happily married Ted Cruz. Sad to see Rand Paul outed as one of the #nevertrump a~holes.

      Our President Trump will notice.

      Rand Paul Ryan is toast, IMO.

      #forevertrump

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  16. LibertyVibe says:

    Cruz and Mike Lee have always made me vomit. I always thought Rand was a better man than this. Guess what Rand? You just joined company with some really bad hombres. I like to call them “The Unforgiveables”.

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  17. bertdilbert says:

    Group insurance like Rand Paul suggest only makes sense if everyone in the group is the same.

    Why would you join a group of non healthy people if you are healthy?

    Here is my solution. Let sick people die. This will improve the overall health of the US very quickly and result in lower medical cost as a % of GDP. Win win.

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    • JoAnn Leichliter says:

      Insurance groups when they work well are large groups of people with varying degrees of risk (think car and homeowners, which are real insurance), who do not all pay the same amount or have identical coverage. It is true that those who do not collect or collect little on their insurance underwrite those who must collect–that is exactly how real insurance works. That, for example, is why a homeowner in Nebraska might see a premium increase after a horrible hurricane season in Florida (depending on his company’s business area). And that is why admitting someone with a pre-existing condition to a program is not insurance, however desirable helping the person may be. An ongoing fire is no longer a risk. It is a fire, and too late to buy insurance.
      Prior to Obamacare, if you lost your health insurance due to, say, a job change and were under treatment for a specific illness, the insurance company you already had was usually on the hook for that treatment, even after you left. It was also illegal to “drop” someone if they got sick (unlike your car insurer, who might drop you after a claim). Insurance regulations might vary somewhat from state to state, but there were also overarching federal regulations. The system was imperfect, but satisfactory for the overwhelming majority. So we destroyed it to benefit a small minority who could have been better helped outside the system.
      Obamacare was designed to fail, then railroad us all into socialized medicine, which, watever its advantages to some may be, gives the government the complete power of life and death over its “subjects.” We begin to think that our rights are bestowed by or wrested from the government (European concept), rather than that certain rights are inherent in our very humanity. That is the end of freedom as conceived by the founders.

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    • KitKat says:

      President Trump mentioned group insurance many weeks ago as one of the ideas they were looking at to lower costs.

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    • Kintbury says:

      Actually, banks could offer it, schools could offer it. They used to before Obamacare.
      The only thing that needs to happen is portability so once you are on a policy, you can take it with you, add your new wife etc. Or when you join a new company, you can keep your policy and have your employer reimburse or opt to take their coverage.

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  18. I recommend America reminds itself of the ultimate goal of the U.S. government.
    Sadly, his Grand-Guignol you’ve been watching is simply leading up to the following result…

    http://www.pnhp.org/news/2017/march/after-speaker-ryan-pulls-gop-%E2%80%98slash-and-burn%E2%80%99-health-bill-doctors-group-urges-passag

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  19. Enlightened Vulgarian says:

    “I need some ideas if I’m gonna get your town out of the serious trouble it’s in….”

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  20. Thomas K Adamo says:

    As a big fan of Sundance, it’s tough to have to disagree on this one. To suggest Rand Paul, Mike Lee, and Ted Cruz are uniparrty, while completely giving Paul Ryan a pass is more than a stretch. It’s no secret I have zero respect for Ted Cruz, I truly despise that man. Mike Lee and Rand Paul, on the other hand, are pretty straight up guys and, while no fan of POTUS, they’re not the type to undermine. Meanwhile, Paul Ryan and McConnell have consistently put POTUS in an ugly position and are the poster boys for the Uniparty. This healthcare bill, in my view, was the most glaring example. POTUS’ own OMB director came out to the public and admitted this plan was going to kick some 14 million people to the curb. Talk about handing the media, and Democrats, an issue to run with. I’m sorry, I take POTUS at this word when he says this bill going down was a disappointment but gives everyone an opportunity to come to the table and put together a bill that will pass. That’s a strong, positive, forward looking position and a clear indication he’s not going to let this issue be forgotten. Unfortunately, he’s hoping Democrats will come to the table and negotiate a better bill. They didn’t this time, they won’t next time. POTUS made that clear in his statement yesterday saying Democrats wouldn’t lift a finger to help with this bill, what makes anyone realistically think they’re going to have an awakening? The answer is, they won’t. Like the Republicans, this is their strategy going forward, Let the Republicans own everything and beat them down daily when things fail. The elitist snobs running the show now should know how to counter that approach as that’s how they handled Democrats the last 8 years.

    Having said all that, this is an opportunity for POTUS to bring together all factions of the Republican party and tell them to knock it off and work together to get a plan to make this government work. Since the Gingrich revolution, of which Mike Pence was a proud member, the elitist snobs that make up the Republican establishment have been kicking constitutional conservatives to the curb in favor of the McCain’s and the Romney’s. How’d that work out for anyone and how has that faction been treating POTUS since the election? Perhaps, instead of publicly reaching out to Democrats, POTUS should bring together, in a very public way, all factions of the Republican party BEFORE bringing a bill to the floor and put together something that works for everyone. At the end of the day, this is Trump’s party now and he needs to take charge, like the CEO he is. Again, I’m sorry folks, this bill not getting passed was a blessing in disguise for POTUS and, as he always does, will ultimately come out smelling like a rose.

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    • streetparade says:

      You must have missed all of Trump’s meetings with the various factions of the GOP in the last 10 days. The “true” conservatives are hard core ideologues who wanted the pre-existing coverage dropped. That is a no go for the President and most of the rest of the GOP for that matter. The conservatives preferred their purity to getting rid of Obamacare. So we get to keep Obamacare.

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      • Nick says:

        It’s the “true Conservatives” like these guys that keep the Democratic party from collapsing. In comparison they make the Democrats seem sensible and well intentioned, and distract voters from just how corrupt and incompetent they are.

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    • RG says:

      I used to think that Lee was great until he spewed out so much hate about Trump. It must have been when you were sleeping because when he decides to open his baby face mouth, what comes out is usually pretty nasty stuff. I was also for him being on the Supreme Courts list until was so nasty too.

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    • booger71 says:

      So you had no problem when Paul gave his support to McTurtle over Matt Bevin?

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    • Ever consider, there is almost no way to work successfully with ideologues; it’s their way or the highway.
      We’ve endured 8 years with an ideologue in the White House. I’m thankful Pres. Trump is a pragmatist but he is not a miracle worker and that’s what ideologues want.

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    • KitKat says:

      There is no plan that will “work for everyone” without everyone giving up something. However the ideologically driven groups appear to be too immature to give up anything.

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    • Frank Rubolino says:

      Very well explained and I agree, passing this bill would have let the dems off the hook, they still own it lock, stock and barrel.

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    • kaste668 says:

      Remind me of how many of those great republicans actually supported Candidate Trump. I am having a hard time getting more than possibly 3.

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  21. CJ says:

    OK fine if the FC can get the other 195 Congressman to vote for their bill by Mon. Go ahead.
    Isn’t the game to get the House to vote on anything ? Step 1

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    • streetparade says:

      The Freedom Caucus doesn’t have a bill. They don’t actually write any legislation and try and get it passed. They stand on the sidelines and throw rocks at those who do.

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    • Brenda says:

      That is the truth. What has Congress accomplished in 65 days? Have they voted on anything yet this session? I love TRUMP but I don’t know how he is going to get anything on his agenda through this congress. SD is right it is all a sham and it makes me very sad. If there is a solution I believe Trump will find it and if he can’t America is dead.

      We were saying during the election that Trump was this countries last hope, it is showing itself to possibly be too far gone already. I pray that is not so but I fear Rome is already burning.

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      • Brenda says:

        If anyone has words of encouragement that I am missing please share

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        • Southern Son says:

          We Must keep marching behind Our Leader!
          He hasn’t, and will not give up on Us or Our Movement.
          He joined this War, believing We were Ready.
          Only 3% of Americans actually Fought, to create the United States, and the Promise/Dream of Individual Liberty.
          Presently, many are willing to give up it seems.
          I have, and Still Do, Pledge my Unwavering Support of Our President!
          If I didn’t know better, I could believe Americans have been indoctrinated and follow the European Model, of subitting to Tyranny..
          Americans built this Great Country, by Not Submitting, to Tyranny.
          I will Not Submit!
          I will Not Give Up!
          Our Leader knows better than I do, in all matters of MAGA.
          Get out of the way, if you think You would do better.
          Our President.
          Our Country.
          Our Liberty, is on the line.

          Press ON!

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      • kaste668 says:

        Did you think Trump could fix something that has taken 50 years in 65 days. Did you think that in 65 days he would win over all the R’s, who never supported him throughout the election. Get Real. Get involved in your local community. Get better people involved for future elections. Remember, You have to reveal who is in the swamp before you can start cleaning it out. We know now, thanks to SD, all the players in the swamp. Go back and read the article on what CoC has lost out on since Trump won. That should make you feel better.

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        • Katherine P Sigel says:

          If it makes you feel any better, I was a Democrat about 10 or 15 years ago. Then I became unaffiliated.
          I voted for Trump because he was the only non politician running.
          I love this website because you also back it up.
          Thank you Sundance for giving me the opportunity to get the information that I need to make an informed decision.

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  22. Peter says:

    Exactly. Just dumb to even listen to this theatre anymore. Nothing is going to happen. Rand Paul – nothing, absolutely nothing is going to happen. Stop playing us.

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  23. deh3k says:

    So stupid. Rand Paul ignores all the people who are too poor. Joining an association – just like getting a tax credit. We have lots of low income and unemployed in our country now. His idea ignores them. Why would Democrats vote for it? Who are all those low income and unemployed people going to vote for the next election? For the Republicans who want to drop them off healthcare? Or for the Democrats who have thrown them into a failing system? Well… they didn’t really like all us voters anyway!

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    • Nick says:

      Honesty I think all of the “Libertarian” healthcare proposals, like Rand’s (donors) proposals, are intentionally designed to make Republicans sound like heartless and corrupt idiots. Rand is basically an actor, and his role is to try and get the house and senate back in Democratic hands.

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    • Finalage says:

      It’s funny he mentions AARP when he has to know most of their members are already on Medicare. A real dunce and fraud Rand Paul is!

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    • Uncle Max says:

      I’d have more respect for Senator Paul if he said, ” we need to get the Federal Government out of healthcare”. But he doesn’t. Healthcare needs to be de-federalized… The Feds can support State efforts or not, but remove the barriers to competition and tort reform at the federal level and costs would come down. Oh and reduce regulations and eliminate mandates.

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  24. Deplorable Sunflower says:

    Wow…we have been nothing but rubes to the very people we voted into office! Thank god I believe in Jesus and Trump because if not this whole thing would be really disheartening!

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    • kaste668 says:

      I agree. I truly think Jesus had Trump in place for some specific reasons, and sorry to say, Healthcare may not be one of them. I think we are in for some serious “quaking” coming and we will need a strong President to get us through this. I also wonder if a lot of Christians who voted for Trump, heaved a sigh of relief and have not continued to pray and be involved.

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  25. Cjallis says:

    You cannot just blame Rand Paul or the Freedom Caucus. The Dems, and republican Mods were against it as well. Really all of them are to blame for this failure. Who the hell wants to vote on a bill that no one had time to read because they were revising and changing the Bill the night before and into the morning! This Bill dying should be seen as positive it makes the Freedom Caucus, Paul Ryan, and the Dems all look like a bunch of idiots. Ryan might just lose his speakership over it or at least I hope so. He made all these promises to Trump and Americans about the Bill and its passage and he lied and screwed us all again. This bill was rolled out worse than any other bill which had to be passed to find out what was in it because it was thousands of pages long and which virtually no one supported. Now people will see how bad Obamacare really is and let the Dems own its self-destruction. Tax Cuts, the Wall, etc are more important things to get done. In the end I am confident a better alternative for health care will be passed with Trump at the helm.

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    • Everyone had plenty of time to read the bill it was everywhere its downloadable and on the WH site . If they did not have time to read it like you say then how did they know they needed to vote against it . hmmm

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    • kaste668 says:

      If replacing Ocare has been such a big thing to all the Republicans who told us so, then why did they not have the perfect bill ready to go. I do not believe the R’s ever thought they would be in charge again, they could slide by with their perky phrases and just ride into the sunset with their money and re-elections. We messed up everyone’s plans when we elected Trump.

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  26. lingane says:

    the MOST important think now, IMO, is to control who goes to the house race in GOP in 2018.I don’t know if, in the american political system, the president can control the nominees, but it is very important to remove free-markets like cruz and ryan for 2018 race and create a totally trumpian GOP for 2018.

    So my question is : can the trumpians remove ryanist-cruzian candidates for senate, governors and representants in 2018 ?

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  27. Educated Citizen says:

    Did the senator invite his colleagues to work with him on the bill or was it handed to him to him by his benefactors. I don’t remember a single piece of legislation that bears his name. It is easier to complain, it is difficult to get work done.

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  28. If Trump wanted the bill to pass, he would have sent Price and Pence to do more of the heavy lifting, not Ryan. If Trump wanted the bill to pass, he would have talked about it in detail at the rallies he held. He didn’t. If Trump wanted the bill to pass, he would have held back on his gushing praise for Ryan. He did not.

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    • Something is not right about the whole picture when Ryan and Trump are gushing over each other. Has to be a lot going on behind the scenes that we can only guess at.

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    • Educated Citizen says:

      If Republicans wanted to do anything about Obama Care they would have passed a bill on day one of the presidency. The president would have signed it. They have been saying that for years that all they need is a president who will sign it. They never wanted to change it. The fact is that the Congress and Senate Republican have been using it as an excuse to get votes and the radio and TV conservative have been using it for getting audience.

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      • kaste668 says:

        Agree. They had from November 8 to January 21 to get a bill ready to set on President Trumps desk the day he took over. They did not.

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    • Finalage says:

      STFU! This is not on Trump idiot! The ineptness and impotence of the GOP has been so going back to 2004. The GOP is a corrupt and ineffectual political party incapable of governing. Trump being new to this process wanted to respect the role of the legislative branch. They failed!!!

      He’s going to be more determined now and much more hands on. Loyalty and trust in the GOP leadership be damned. Expect a Trump that will go and get Dems to sign up and expect more bipartisan and yes more liberal bills than what could’ve been because he’s not going to leave his fate in the hands of the GOP.

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  29. gary lacey says:

    Why vote?

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  30. eyes wide open says:

    I’ve been watching Rand Paul for awhile, not knowing much about him, but thinking how much of a cartoon character he looked…not that they all don’t (check Nunes and Schiff LOL).

    “a chicken in every pot”

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  31. Finalage says:

    Rand Paul had that smirk on his face after the clip of a defeated Trump was played. Too bad he hasn’t learned that a wounded lion is more dangerous than ever before. Trump will recover and maul his opposition! MAGA!!

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  32. Neil says:

    Can we find out who actually wrote the trumpcare law in less than a month? It wasn’t Trump or Ryan. I suspect it was the medical insurers lobby. Disgusting that Trump couldn’t wait on such a big piece of legislation, until it was written by Republican experts.

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  33. Craig W. Gordon says:

    Yeah Trump. Getter dun bud. MAGA 20/20.

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  34. mrt721 says:

    So, Rand Paul’s plan is to repeal Obamacare, and then have everyone join AARP.

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    • mnlakes says:

      That is what stuck out to me also. AARP?? The sworn enemy of Republicans during the ObamaCare fiasco?? Really? The other thing was that before the vote, Rand made it sound like he had the solution, after the Bill was pulled, he says it was too fast, they needed more time. Evidently he wasn’t as confident in his Plan as he led us to believe.

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  35. Joshua2415 says:

    Opinions please fellow Treepers.
    Let’s fast forward a bit. In a year or two, more than half the country will have no insurance options offered at their state Obamacare exchanges as insurance companies flee money losing markets. Most insured Americans still get their health insurance through their employer, so for them nothing really changes. But for some number of millions of people who are LEGALLY entitled to a “subsidy” under Obamacare, they will have no way to get it. How does congress address this issue? What options could get 60 votes in the senate?

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  36. KeithInTampa says:

    Wow…..

    For the past couple of years, I’ve followed CTH and developed a deep respect for Sundance, who has been (in my opinion!) correct one hundred percent of the time! Most especially during the Presidential election and pointing out the “Black Hats/White Hats” and the corruption of the mainstream media.

    You’re dead wrong on this one Sundance…You also completely distorted what Senator Paul said to Bolling last night. The major problem with the AFA/ObamaCare, is that it’s set a standard that I opine is going to be difficult to get away from; and that’s the expectation from (predominately Secular Progressive) Americans that our federal government has some role to play in health care; when in fact Americans are entitled to the best health care that they can afford.

    I still believe that the withdrawal of this piss poor “ObamaCare-Light” health care Bill is a blessing and will force a bi-partisan solution that eliminates the current AFA.

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    • Joshua2415 says:

      In my opinion, you are far more likely to get 60 senate votes for nationalized health care than you are to get 60 senate votes for straight Obamacare repeal. Be careful what you wish for.

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    • kaste668 says:

      We are currently down to 5 Insurance companies and could be down to 3 shortly. So even the people who have insurance through their employers are going to be effected. An employee making $10/hr pays as much for insurance premiums as the VP making $100/hr does. The premiums keep going up, the benefits going down. So the ACA affects everyone. We are moving to a two tier system. Money & no money. If you have lots of money, you will have insurance or you will pay cash. If you don’t have money, you will have something similar to the VA. If we move to single payer, medicaid, medicare and VA just move over.

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    • The Heretic says:

      I agree with you. RyanCare was a bad bill.

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  37. pooteeweet says:

    The one thing that no one is discussing today is that thanks to the HFC, the house plan to destroy Obamacare using the budget reconciliation plan which requires only 51 republican votes is now off the table. Any new plan put forth by the HFC, Paul or Cruz will now require 60 votes in the Senate. Thank you HFC conservatives for making repeal of Obamacare impossible!!!

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  38. Summer says:

    All talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk no action.

    The Fraudom caucus and the worthless Senate Cuckservatives fought hard to preserve Obamacare for us little people. Probably expect us to thank them for this “victory” over common sense.
    I am sure donations from the special interests are flowing into their special Muh Principles coffers as we speak.
    These moonbats are on my Enemy list right next to the leftist moonbats.

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    • The Heretic says:

      Ryan Care was a bad bill. We don’t want to just push out a bill because at least it is ‘something’. What crap.

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  39. kaste668 says:

    Rand Paul is not trust worthy. Ask Kentucky

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  40. Xeno says:

    I have a feeling that Trump isn’t too sad about seeing the AHCA bill fail. Trump and Rand Paul seem to have been getting much more tight since he assumed the office. In the long run, this will be seen more as a failure of Paul Ryan and the Republican party than of Trump, who seemed to be treating this process as a ‘test-run’ more than a full-fledged sales push. This bill did not originate with Trump, it originated with The Big Club. What motive, honestly, does Trump have in actually pushing this crap bill? A PR win? Trump can get double the PR win through EO’s and Tom Price through reducing the costs of healthcare and not enforcing penalties. Relief for the American people? This bill wasn’t the only vehicle through which that can be accomplished, and would not have accomplished all that much anyway.

    The message will be: ‘The Republican Party failed, but Trump delivered.’ Trump keeps saying “I tried being a team player.” He ALWAYS gives the Swamp creatures a chance to repent and change their ways. When they don’t, he says, “Ok… Well I tried. Now you just get ran over.” This ‘failure’ was the ‘I played nice’ setup. Look for the ‘Now I’m going to crush and humiliate you’ to come in a few months… which typically happens about 5 minutes after the MSM has decided that their anti-Trump narrative is safe. You can’t play chess against even a halfway competent opponent and not lose some pieces. Look for Trump doing more to alleviate the healthcare/Obamacare burden than even this bill did by unilateral executive/judicial action.

    This is his method–take the hit, then use their attack momentum to flip them on their back. “You didn’t disavow David Duke” turns into ‘How many times do I have to disavow him?’ “You’re lying about the veterans’ fund-raiser” turns into ‘Look at all this money we raised.’ “You won’t release your tax returns” turns into ‘I paid more taxes than anybody else.’ “How dare you talk that way about Brussels and Paris!” turns into ‘I told ya so.’ “You’re looking a lot like a Russian” turns into ‘You’re acting a lot like Nixon–but worse!’

    I think “You failed at party leadership in replacing Obamacare” will turn into ‘The Republican Party is useless without me, and I’m a better deal for the people than the entirety of both parties.’

    Do not despair. Trump must complete the de-legitimization of the Swamp before it can be drained. The libs and swamp creatures can celebrate today, but when Obamacare comes crashing down and a national crisis ensues, they’ll get knocked flat in about two Tweets. Then he uses his first State of the Nation to ream their asses for an hour straight in front of everyone, their mothers, and God. The Swamp blew up this vehicle, true. What they can’t see is the avalanche of Red Pills that they just triggered.

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  41. redsequin4 says:

    Yeah he all the other no votes are out saying “so sorry, we did it for your own good” Sorry Rand, I’m not buying what you’re selling. Who the hell are you to kill a vote we’ve been waiting 7 years for? He and his Freedom Caucus buddies just hurt any chance we’ll ever get a repeal of Obamacare. You could tell the President was just as disgusted with them as most Trump supporters.

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  42. majorstar says:

    Sundance is right on the money here. If you can’t see it you need to rethink your beliefs and who you’re listening to. They’re likely leading you down a primrose path. What happened when Donald Trump entered the fray is that the astute people suddenly awoke to the political reality we’re facing and realized that much, if not all, of what we’d previously believed was totally false.

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  43. mimbler says:

    A lot of intelligent, well intended treepers are on both sides of this house bill on health care.

    One argument I don’t find compelling, though, is the popular one that you should always compromise in congress,

    My analogy is that when you are in the middle of the ocean sitting in a leaky lifeboat with another person who wants to drill 10 holes in the bottom of the boat to let the water out, you shouldn’t compromise and drill 5 holes,
    Mike

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  44. The Heretic says:

    Ryan Care was dreadful and I am glad it is dead. We need a full repeal and some free market sensibility put forth. I agree with the Freedom Caucus and Rand Paul and Ted Cruz.

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  45. Well, I don’t think I can stand listening to Rand much longer here….I was a supporter before Trump, but he completely disgusts me. Nothing he proposes will ever pass..ditto Freedom Congress….he is a vile person.

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