Report: President Trump Forces House Vote Tomorrow on ObamaCare Repeal and Replacement…

Perfect.

President Trump, through OMB Director Mick Mulvaney, has demanded the House of Representatives vote tomorrow on the current bill for ObamaCare Repeal and Replacement.

This directly calls out the UniParty structure of Washington DC.

The time for endless political talk in circles is over.  Time for action.  The Koch Brothers wing (House Freedom Caucus), and the U.S. Chamber of Commerce wing (Ryan/GOPe), will have to vote to support the Health and Human Services construct of Tom Price, or kill it by voting against it.

Either way they vote President Trump has delivered on his promise: an opportunity to vote for the repeal of ObamaCare.

All those who vote “NO” on the bill will own the outcome. Meaning, they support the continuance of ObamaCare and all of the subsequent outcomes therein.  Get them all on record.

President Trump’s HHS Secretary created the bill, Speaker of the House Paul Ryan supported the bill, Vice-President Pence supported the bill.  Both the President and Vice-President engaged with every faction of the political parties to have their voices heard -and modifications made- on the construct of the bill, and now House republicans are given the opportunity to vote on the bill.

Done.

President Trump, VP Pence, Speaker Ryan and HHS Secretary Tom Price gave it their best shot.  If it fails, the onus is on the voters to change out their GOP representative.

♦  Unfortunately, this means the Trump tax reform proposal will be far less than otherwise could have been included because ObamaCare tax revenues/expenditures will have to be considered in any tax reform as an embed in the current revenue demand.

This approach will further expose the UniParty as the Republicans who voted “no”, and by consequence support ObamaCare taxes, will now hypocritically try and propose tax decreases.  Their hypocrisy gives them a futile voice.

♦  To highlight this UniParty hypocrisy, President Trump will then move to present a full budget removing $1.15 trillion from spending, and those same no-vote republicans will demand more expansive government spending.

The UniParty hypocrisy will stand in the sunlight.

It needed to happen.

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704 Responses to Report: President Trump Forces House Vote Tomorrow on ObamaCare Repeal and Replacement…

  1. NHVoter says:

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    • Howie says:

      So now what will the ConCons wail about? I think this is just an opportunity for the GOP to dither and quiver all the way to December so the allotted Loot will be split on time.

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  3. sickconservative says:

    At some point don’t you wish we fought like D’s, hell they get more done than establishment R’s when out of power.
    Pass a real repeal or just be the republican lite version of the D party.
    Really sick of establishment R’s as nothing will really change!

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    • SierraTangoNine says:

      Ditto. I’m not an R gave that up. I vote R to get the most little “l” libertarian I can. 99% are out for themselves. We need to start a national draft for congress.

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    • There is no don’t you wish “WE” fought like D’s… because uniparty

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    • Cowwow says:

      Obviously you are new here or you would know why there is no full repeal possible???

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      • bolshevict says:

        I’m old here and OK with this report.

        Obamacare is gonna implode, soon.
        ONE THIRD of US counties have only 1 Ocare insurer now.
        5 STATES have only 1 now.
        In the Fall, how many states and counties will have ZERO? Lots.
        This is the beginning of a contrived, pre-planned emergency, planned to give a Democrat free reign to enact “Universal gov healthcare, now”
        But Trump has the slot.
        WE get to write on a blank whiteboard with big orange markers…plus, instead of continual Dem bitching about our plan…Hey! WE had to fix an emergency that they created!!….I think Trump wanted this result, but had to come through with an attempt in the first quarter, to appease his supporters.
        Trump will also use this to start wedging that criminal, corporatist, Wall-Street-owned, jug-eared liar Paul Ryan out of the Speakership.

        I’ve learned plenty here, I admit, but I think the support for the 3-step replacement was a mistake. Full power to rewrite a healthcare law after Obamacare explodes? Beats the HELL out of the 3-step, IMO.

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    • streetparade says:

      60 votes in the Senate. You’ll need to find them to get what you want…..and you won’t find them.

      Also, nothing changes? Individual mandates are gone, employer mandates – gone, Ocare taxes – gone. “essential” services that balloon premiums – back to the states to decide, Medicaid – back to the states. Actually quite a lot changes.

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      • Cowwow says:

        👍👍👍

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      • Brenda says:

        None of that lowers prices, or offers choice.

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        • Brenda says:

          Or does it?

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        • streetparade says:

          Those required “essential” services are one of the drivers of high premiums. They require every policy offered to cover a whole range of services you don’t want (like maternity care when you’re 55).

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          • Brenda says:

            So to get a policy that fits me I have to move to the state that has the closest set of essential services? What a great plan.

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            • streetparade says:

              States controlled the insurance market BEFORE Obamacare and could and did do EXACTLY that. This returns to the status quo of PRE-Ocare. Everyone wants repeal well this is what repeal is.

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              • Brenda Purington says:

                Seriously? I thought there was options and choice similar to car insurance before Ocare. Low, med, high deductibles, catastrophic only, PPO, HMO etc… I never had it then cause I couldn’t afford it.

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                • mimbler says:

                  Yes, and although I’m against the Ryan plan; it allows insurance companies to offer plans at the minimum or anything in excess of the minimums. So the consumer would have a choice on how good of insurance they got depending on how much they want to pay.
                  Mike

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                • Brenda Purington says:

                  Then why are you against? I thought choice, which creates competition, would drive down the price, which is the point. No?

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                • mimbler says:

                  I’m for that aspect for exactly the reason you state! There just isn’t enough of this type of fix in the bill and it leaves too much of the bad aspects of Ocare.

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            • streetparade says:

              States pre-Obamacare determined the minimum standards that a health insurance policy had to offer. This simply reverts to the system that existed pre-Ocare. The states determine the minimum but insurance providers can offer all kinds of options above and beyond the minimum.

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              • cdquarles says:

                True, with the proviso that before No-care, there were lifetime expense caps and there was no guaranteed issue. To get their proposed premiums accepted by State Insurance commission (think some about that), said companies must 1. demonstrate fiscal soundness not just today, but also be able to finance the long tail, so assets must match liabilities over long time periods and we know that the future is not something fully predictable. 2. demonstrate actuarial soundness, which means doing NPV (net present value) modeling of future revenues and expenses. Same issue in a way, and consider this truth in my state and likely others. Every year the legislature submits a budget that must balance current tax revenues with expenses. Every year, or nearly every year, the actual realized income is less than the projections and the expenses are more than the projections. So, toward the end of the fiscal year, ‘proration’ happens.

                God Bless President Trump. Government medical care should have never, ever, been done. Now he and us, have a tiger by the tail.

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          • Joltz says:

            I’m glad to hear that. I used to have insurance. But with all the stuff that now had to be in your policy – maternity, drug rehab, etc etc – it pushed the cost up and I couldn’t afford it. It is now 975 per month with a 5000 deductible. I’m not the only self employed person who used to be insured, and is no longer insured. Quite simply, Obamacare caused a lot of us to lose insurance. There are 6.5 million people who pay the penalty. More than that are now uninsured bc a family will pay the penalty on the parent’s tax return. That is counted as one penalty, but the number of now uninsured is however many people are in that family. No one ever talks about the people who lost insurance once Obamacare started.

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      • Rip Tide says:

        Where does tort reform fit in?? That adds yuge costs to healthcare?

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      • elleb77 says:

        Illegals still get care.

        Gun control is still in it.

        There is a tax credit for abortions.

        I’m not necessarily against this chamber of commerce rewrite of Obamacare, it just has so many problems.

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      • Big Jake says:

        Why should the states decide? The bigger the star (population) he more autocratic and authoritarian it becomes. The INDIVIDUAL should decide.

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      • cup of joe says:

        you said nothing changes. Why then do you say the mandates are gone? O I see you worded it as a question. However I talked to my daughter yesterday and she said the mandates will still be in place and the penalty and the penalty excuses for some cases is removed, making it even worse. Is there a official statement our there giving us the right info? Why don”t they at least say that the government will be out of health care business? Seems to me that the bill has to pass to know what it is about.

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    • Drifter says:

      They are definitely not R’s… They are and always have been Dems in thin disguise…

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  4. Pinkie says:

    This reminds me of blazing saddles’s. The HFC is holding a gun to its own head. But it won’t work like it did in the movie. The big guy has called their bluff

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  5. CJ says:

    They are up against a tight deadline if they are planning on going on Spring Break. They need to pass this and be ready for the CR for the remainder of the FY 2017 budget that is due in late April.

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  6. Beenthere says:

    I can’t wait until tomorrow! This is better than waiting for that final episode of Breaking Bad to air.

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  7. President had to do the Deal (support) with the Uni-party first, knowing it would fail. In doing so Pres. Trump played their game with them, they lost. Now the President is at bat.

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  8. C-Low says:

    I don’t like the Ocare light as its current form and the staged attack idea, I trust Trump, but I don’t trust Ryan and crew one bit. We are talking about the same guys that for 8yrs kept passing continuing resolutions and debt increases all the while saying it was strategic smarts so we could make our attack stand on the next one were our position was better.

    Trump should push a Full repeal return it back to the free market, we had the best healthcare system in world best tech best drugs best doctors. No one died on the freekin hospital step, the fact you may leave with a debt you can never pay off is a negligible cost for ones life. After that was accomplished we should have rolled into ending the state borders regulations on insurance (competition), drastically cutting the FDA regulation (lesson cost push new tech forward), TORT REFORM no pain suffering no percentage disability (exponential driver of insurance cost).

    Would it be hard YES, will the dems lock step appose filibuster YES, is 60 vote possible NO. The filibuster needs to be killed ended, if your party has won both houses and the exec you have earned the right to see your ideas implemented tested.

    I hate to complain I have been holding my tongue but the idea that we can somehow get any of the Trump agenda through the senate later on without killing the fillibuster is just stupid. The dems are lock stepped you could put your name on X dem dream legislation and run into a dem filibuster.

    This is not powderpuff ball this is war for our nations future, many like myself didn’t vote for a new louder version of the ole system we voted for some out of the box street fighter full what it takes to win hardcore. Trump should demand the end of the filibuster pressure turkey neck to do it or be replaced by someone with balls that will.

    If we get this right we wont have to worry about the dems at least not in their current form/beliefs gain a position to do a turn about for at least a generation. However if we play the ole game we will be watered down to gray and in 4 or even 8yrs when the gains differences are not stark enough to brand the gen pops minds we will just return to were we are in a few more cycles.

    Lets WIN not draw not atrit not negotiate acceptable terms, WIN absolute no questions drive the enemy (ole system) into the ground and bring back Americana ole school freedom capitalist AMERICA FIRST.

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    • Cowwow says:

      Nope. You must be a troll.
      I’m sick of them here!

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      • SierraTangoNine says:

        We are not trolls. We are Russians. All your healthcare belong to us.

        Oh, /s

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      • C-Low says:

        No troll.

        Very simply the dems don’t play by the rules never have never will, they fight to win. Recent example see the refugee stuff, blatant clear simple law yet the dems are holding Trump down with their politick judges. You think that is going to stop you think that can be done without going full fight?

        Ocare is a HUGE cost that is only going to grow. The system worked before with some simple (cheap) deregulation it could have been cheaper and the preexisting problem could have been addressed not cheap but not the budget buster Ocare is either. The 20million without coverage is mostly young and healthy like me that would rather have a few extra hundred bucks a month and do my own butterfly stitches or payment plan if its past my pay grade. The whole problem Ocare solved didn’t exist past rhetoric.

        Any future legislation that Trump proposes will hit the same brick filibuster wall. So I don’t get the longterm plan. Put off the fight for later? Surrender any legislation until post 2018 on the hope we can get that super majority (note remember many repub don’t even fall in line either)? Give up? Or just continue the hustle of repubs who can only make a fighting retreat on their best days?

        The filibuster rule is nothing more than just top cover empowerment for politicks to never have to do anything, while at sametime promoting backroom deals were the minority if corrupt can become enriched for playing along. Nothing is ever done all the politicks bothsides regardless whos in power get rich while Rome burns.

        Trump should push action kill the filibuster ram through our ideas if they work we will be rewarded with more support if they fail the dems will get another shot at their ideas. It is how things should work. The current system has become a hustle Trump needs to break it.

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    • seventhndr says:

      “Trump should push a Full repeal return it back to the free market…”

      Will not happen. I wish it would, but once again I feel the need to remind fellow treepers that President Trump campaigned on a replacement. He campaigned that everyone who wants health care, will have it. Primarily through the free market, but also via tax incentives and expansion of Medicaid. Straight from his position paper.

      A reality check, not advocating for it.

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    • streetparade says:

      As SD points out there aren’t 51 votes to kill the filibuster. And even if you do get 51 votes to kill it there are not 51 votes for a repeal without any replacement as part of the bill. Ocare is a bubble that has to be deflated slowly, you can’t just pop the bubble.

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      • mimbler says:

        You can do the right thing, propose a detailed repeal and replace; take it to a vote and force people to reveal their position. If it fails, they are on record. O’care can’t last another two years on its own,

        At that point re-propose your good bill, and it will pass,
        Mike

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      • Kroesus says:

        duuuuh….filibuster is only resulting AFTER a failed cloture or threat of a failed vote (end debate) which by current Senate rules requires 60% of quorum…that would be 60 votes NOT 51

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    • Finalage says:

      Sir, Obamacare just destroyed the free market. That was by design. By next year, the only option will be for the government to step in and bail out the health insurance industry and suddenly you have single payer. If the GOP double cross Trump here, he will let it happen and I won’t blame him.

      This bill is not perfect but it’s a good first step in the right direction. I believe between the infrastructure bill, the drug regnegotiation bill, and next years’ midterms, Trump will get Phase 3 through with Dem votes.

      Tomorrow’s vote is the start of MAGA! Then onto tax reform and infrastructure, the Wall, and rebuilding the military!

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      • Mike says:

        “Tomorrow’s vote is the start of MAGA! Then onto tax reform and infrastructure, the Wall, and rebuilding the military!”

        I hope so. You’re right that *we have to start somewhere*! I wish more people could see that. We don’t have 60 votes so this is probably the best we can get for now. Much better than nothing & Trump needs this in order for the rest of his agenda to be possible.

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      • mike says:

        Single payer means coercive, mediocre medicine. Medicare has been going broke for some time, so everything will get worse. Look at Londinistan’s NHS. That is one future of single payer, and you’ll die begging for more. .

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      • David says:

        I understand there are not enough votes to repeal. So why not just force a vote for repeal, advertise loud and clear the Democrats blocked repeal, and then sit back and wait for Obamacare to fall into a coma and end up in hospice care? So what if the “system” collapses? The system collapses means the nobody can afford the insurance, it doesn’t mean hospitals, doctors, nurses and medicines disappear. Everyone will adapt by working out new contracts and agreements. Patients want care and doctors want to pay the bills. They will work it out on an individual basis. It just cuts government out from being the middle man.

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    • Lulu says:

      Wow either you have read absolutely nothing on this site related to healthcare or you are a very hard working troll with all those paragraphs.

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  9. dogsmaw says:

    MARCH 24, 2017

    House Rules Committee Meeting on Health Care Bill

    The House Rules Committee Meets to take up a rule governing debate on the Republican health care bill that would repeal and replace the seven-year-old Affordable Care Act. Votes can be expected throughout the day, including one on final passage.

    Airing LIVE Friday, Mar 24 7:00am EDT on C-SPAN2

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  10. Mac says:

    I hate to do this, but I have to call Sundance out on this.

    Please explain WHY we have to pass this piece of crap bill, which does NOT REPEAL the ACA, right this minute. Come on, let’s have some hard facts supporting the immediate passage of this bill. Do not attempt to sell the absurd idea that the HHS Secretary can NOT repeal or modify the existing Obamacare regulations over which he presently has control, unless this bill is passed. This bill repeals the employer insurance mandate, shifts the burden of collecting the fine for not having insurance from the IRS to the private insurer [when the consumer finds a plan that he likes] and guarantees federal funding of expanded Medicare at, at least, 80% of current funding. So, what does it matter if these changes go into effect tomorrow or in a year? NONE. And, there is NO guarantee that the Republicans will even have a super majority in the Senate that will allow for the passage of the changes proposed for phase 3.

    Uniparty politicians will support and voter for this, as it does almost nothing to change the current ACA or stop the eventual collapse of the healthcare system. As it decreases taxes collected from income on investments and still maintains the lion’s share of the funding for expanded Medicaid, it does little to cut costs to the government. Those Republicans who vote AGAINST this bill are for more likely to be outside the Uniparty than are those who vote for it. So one has to ask, why would Trump support this bill? It does not repeal or significantly replace the provuisions of the ACA, which he promised to do. So, why is he supporting it?

    This is nothing than bait and switch. The Congressional leadership do not want to repeal Obamacare. Unless the government nationalizes healthcare, some people will lose their insurance. But, if the government withdraws from the health insurance industry entirely, over the next four years, then the market will drive down healthcare costs which will drive down insurance costs. But, some people are going to endure hardship. And, our leaders, including Der Donald, know this. The AHCA is nothing more than an attempt to make it look like the Congress is doing something. If it does not pass the Senate, then the Republican leadership will blame it on the obstructionist Democrats. If it does pass and nothing else is accomplished, especially the changes needing 60 votes to pass in Phase 3, then they will still be able to blame the failure of repeal on the Dems, or someone else. Also, they will not have to deal with the fallout from rolling back Medicaid. And, best of all, the government controlled, single payer health insurance system, that will give the politicians unprecedented control over the people, will still be a viable option.

    Now, again, will someone PLEASE explain WHY they would support passage of this bill at this time?

    Thank you.

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    • Cowwow says:

      Geeeeeze. I’m sick of the trolls. Somebody else can pick it up. And Mac, you are a troll.

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      • Mac says:

        So, simply point out where I am wrong? That is all that i am asking here.

        See, i supported and voted for Donald Trump. I am one of the supporters that Sundance keeps mentioning. What I am not is a a thoughtless drone marching in lockstep to the drumbeat of Trump is a Messiah. And, I am certainly not going to support the work of one of the leaders of the anti-Trump movement unless he is presenting a whopping good piece of legislation.

        So, grow up and explain to all of us, exactly WHAT is os good about this bill and WHY we have to pass it immediately in its present form.

        Good luck.

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    • benifranlkin says:

      c’mon…SD has spent the last few weeks explaining this. go away..u missed the final exam.

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    • sunnydaze says:

      Go back and look for the post where Sundance explains. Maybe somebody can tell this guy where it is.

      I’m pretty sick of this.

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      • sunnydaze says:

        Scratch that. Sundance just put a new post where he refers to the one I was talking about.

        Go read it. Carefully.

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        • Mac says:

          I have read all of Sundance’s posts on the 3 phase Obamacare repeal and replace strategy. And, i have yet to find anywhere where he has explained exactly HOW this is all going to be accomplished.
          Phase 1, the passage of the AHCA, is NOT necessary for Phase 2, the repeal and replacement of the regulations over which the HHS Secretary has control. Phase 3 is going to require 60 votes to pass the Senate, which means that next election the GOP will have to pick-up a super majority or Phase 3 dies there. So, there is NO rush to pass phase 1, the AHCA. Unless, of course it has to be rammed through before people actually realize how ineffective it will turn out to be.

          So, will someone please simply point out exactly how passing the AHCA is going to make any significant change to the problems produced by the ACA?

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          • sunnydaze says:

            It WON’T. It’s just a BUDGETARY bill.

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          • Doogiesblog says:

            Mac-
            Doesn’t phase one impact the budget? And doesn’t the budget impact the tax cuts?
            Once the new plans rolls, 2nd phase. No problem.
            Tied to phase three are the positive additions to lower costs, cross border health care, drug costs, etc. How could Dems deny the parts that help their constituents? They would look terrible doing that.

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            • Trish in Southern Illinois says:

              If it passes somehow tomorrow….then this sh*t starts all over again in the senate. And people can whine and cry about that too.

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            • tytanshammer says:

              Sanity is not the Democrats strong point, and sanity is not their constituents strong point, and the media will cover for them. Trying to sell that they will be over some sort of ‘barrel’ is a no go.

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    • Katherine McCoun says:

      plenty of info has been available on this site. read an article and then click “obamacare” and scroll through all of the blog postings on this issue – at least the recent ones that explain what is going on and why. Here is a good starting place. After reading what Sundance has already written then come back and ask informed questions
      https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/03/07/repealing-and-replacing-obamacare-much-confusion-is-in-the-process/

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    • NC PATRIOT says:

      It cuts the FINANCES out of the ACA (mandates) and in step 2–the massive rules and regulations. Employers will be able to go back to hiring full-time workers. ACA will collapse faster. That alone will improve the employment picture.

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    • I think Bull Durham described this in the best way possible the other day. I won’t be doing it justice but from what I remember he described the health insurance industry like a ship at sea that needs fixed but is full of passengers. How do you fix an occupied boat out at sea? Do you scrap it all and start over (full, instantaneous repeal)? No, that would throw everyone overboard. Instead you have to fix it one piece at a time (replace in phases).

      As far as the timing goes, do you really think that this bill, or any bill for that matter, created by anyone in DC is really going to be better if they debate it more? To me that seems doubtful so it’s best to get it done and move onto something else.

      Think of it this way, the President is essentially trying to get the alligators to come up with, and then willingly implement, a plan to drain their own swamp. He has to do it in a way that they won’t see coming, so it doesn’t surprise me if I don’t necessarily see how he gets us from A to B.

      Look, I certainly don’t know much about health insurance, nor have I read the bill in its entirety. However, I do know President Trump’s record enough to gauge his truthfulness. If he said he was going to fix the healthcare system, I’ll believe him. If he says this is a way to do it, I’ll believe him. He has hardly given us a reason not to! What I do want to know is why so many people are willing to side with politicians (Freedom Caucus, etc.) who have sat back for years watching our nation fall apart over the new guy who has so far done pretty much exactly what he said he would do? If President Trump starts developing a habit of not fulfilling his promises (extremely unlikely) then I could see placing allegiances elsewhere, but these other people had a chance to change things and didn’t.

      Sorry but I think I’m gonna trust the new guy trying to fix this mess over the crusty establishment politicians who helped create it.

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    • ginaswo says:

      ability to use reconciliation expires in a month iirc, we will have to lose many of our tax cuts if we dont get rid of some ocare subsidies or we will raise deficit, first 90 days is when we have most juice to get things done

      SD has many posts with equisite details on procedural maneuvers

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    • Finalage says:

      You’re not thinking this through. Take the best you can now with reconciliation. There is no free market! It’s been gutted by Obamacare. It has to be rehabilitated. So you get a less than perfect bill because you need the transition to free market health care.

      Phase 3 will get through because of the infrastructure bill, the drug renegotiation plan and the midterms. If you kill this bill, you destroy any shot at completing the reform. Trump knows how to use leverage and he will leverage the infrastructure and drug bill to get Phase 3. The Dems are free to for Phase 3 because they will vote against repeal and replace tomorrow. It’s about using the looming midterms as leverage along with some carrots in the form of infrastructure and drug renegotiation to get it all done. Trust Trump! MAGA!!

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    • svenwg says:

      Sundance explained it all in infinite detail in a past post, look at the archives and find it, I do not feel like being your secretary or researcher this morning.

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    • Keln says:

      Sundance and others have been explaining this for weeks now. You just haven’t been paying attention. That isn’t Sundance’s fault, it’s yours.

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    • Lulu says:

      “Der Donald”? Yep, we’re going to take your post seriously with derogatory names for the President.

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  11. NHVoter says:

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  12. William Ford says:

    The GOP isn’t interested in governing. That requires making compromises to get 75% of what you want. Like Reagan said, I’ll take 75% and come back for the rest later. But this GOP is more interested in fighting their internal civil war. Trump for some reason threw in with Ryan and the GOPe on this one. The embarrassing failure to govern may cost the House in 2018. If Trump really begins to believe that he may well try to cobble together a coalition with the most moderate elements of the GOP and the most moderate elements of the Dems. And that would be awful. But the GOP has only itself to blame.

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  13. Brenda says:

    I don’t understand how phase one does anything to lower cost or add choice to plans we purchase or gets rid of mandate to purchase…I can let my policy slide but if in 2 years I decide I want insurance I pay 30% penalty even if I’m healthy. It sucks

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    • I could deal with that if I could shop around and get a policy without the penalty or chose the penalty policy because it was better. The part that galls me is the nanny state telling me this is the consequences of letting my health insurance lapse.

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      • Regina says:

        the way I read it, you only pay the penalty if you go back to the same insurer?

        3. If someone purchased coverage but chose not to pay for it in the past, and then wants to buy new coverage from the same insurer, the company would be allowed to collect the past unpaid premiums.

        The rules under the previous administration allowed people to skip paying premiums, hold onto their coverage for some time, and then enroll in new coverage the next year without having to pay up.

        Fixing this loophole would help insurers offer the best deal possible for Americans who are playing by the rules.
        https://www.hhs.gov/healthcare/empowering-patients/providing-relief-right-now-for-patients/stabilizing-market-for-patients/index.html

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        • Regina says:

          maybe that’s not the same thing – that’s from the ReadTheBill.gop site under Step 2 details

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        • Thank you, if that is the case its not really a mandate unless there is only one insurer in your area. I have read it defined as a penalty and a percentage, not as a payment of skipped bills. The proposed rules are changing so who knows where they will settle.

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      • NC PATRIOT says:

        A person takes a risk when they let insurance lapse. With cars—you cant get a license if you let your insurance lapse. RISK (at any age)

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        • Yes but we have the right to take risks & reap consequences.

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        • Beryl Bomb says:

          Interesting analogy. With cars, however, if you aren’t insured some states won’t let you drive.

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          • Billy says:

            “Interesting analogy. With cars, however, if you aren’t insured some states won’t let you drive.”

            So without medical insurance you are not allowed to get sick? (:

            Unfortunately, people will use the emergency room costing the hospital $4000/visit rather than going to a doctor’s where the insurance company will pay only $250.

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    • sunnydaze says:

      It doesn’t and it’s not supposed to (and can’t). That’s later.

      Go read the post Sundance just put up. Then you’ll understand what is going on.

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    • streetparade says:

      Do you think you should be able to call up your auto insurer after you’ve had a crash and get collision insurance? Probably not. It’s the same thing with health insurance.

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    • Hollywood Bungalow says:

      Should you be able to buy car insurance after you have a car accident? After a house fire?

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    • ginaswo says:

      welll to cover free riders who wait til theyre sick to signup, we have a 30% late enroll penalty.

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    • Finalage says:

      Continuing coverage is the only way to cover preexisting conditions. Everyone has to pay in while healthy so that the sick can be covered. If you want until you get sick to get coverage then there should be some penalty. This is a reasonable price to pay compared to paying the government the penalty and getting no coverage as it is in Obamacare.

      In any event, most people will get their insurance through their employer. If association medical plans gets through, most of the rest should be able to get group coverage of some sort. The “penalty” will beoit then and can then be repealed.

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    • Lulu says:

      That’s how you keep pre-existing condition coverage. Otherwise the whole system would go bankrupt. That being said the system is going bankrupt no matter what they do as the costs are growing exponentially and will soon take up well over half the national budget. What needs to be done is charges for price fixing and collusion against hospitals, physician practices, drug companies, etc.

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      • Brenda Purington says:

        So none of what you mention, things that will help control costs, can be done right now through just phase 2 Without doing phase 1 Letting Price change regulations via HHS. Dems don’t want drugs bought across state lines from Canada etc? I thought Cummings was hot for that? Dems aren’t pro torte reform? I despise Obama et al for shoving this down our throats. :-\

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  14. SierraTangoNine says:

    I need to say this right now. SD I salute you in being mostly respectful and allowing people with different points of view to have their say. That is not common these days. Debate spawns innovation.

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  15. Ace says:

    As I have said, the Republican party must be annihilated.
    And Trump is our weapon.

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    • Pinkie says:

      He is doing a pretty good job of it. Trump does not care a fig about small government conservatism

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      • NC PATRIOT says:

        Unfortunately——-small government conservatism can’t fix the massive problems we have. Right now we have to hope President Trump can hang on to our Constitution—which he will fight to do.

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      • Finalage says:

        Hello! Where have you been? There has never been small government conservatism, only rhetoric! Time to MAGA!! Use the government to make the nation great for the people!

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  16. Pilate says:

    No longer care.
    I gave up.
    This morning I started my own health care plan.

    Bandaids. (E.R)

    Whiskey. (Pain relief)

    Stick to bite down on. (Prescription pain)

    Yearly membership to happy endings massage parlour. (Mental Health)

    Hit me up below if you want to join

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    • CJ says:

      Always think out of the box

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      • sunnydaze says:

        Bet the hospital food is waaaay better, too.

        Kidding aside, back in the 80’s when I was there, a lot of Western women were going there to get help with infertility. They were doing some combo Western/Chinese medicine thing that had a pretty good success rate I guess.

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      • blaze says:

        Thailand has great “medical vacations” too. One place advertised each room had a full time registered nursed privately assigned to each patient 24/7. No ringing a button. Hip replacement cost $12,000 vs $45,000 here. Every major procedure was the fraction of the cost vs the USA. They list all prices up front. It was like a body shop with an estimate then you go through will full repair.

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    • Trish in Southern Illinois says:

      I cant stop laughing…tears are squirting out of my eyes. Thanks i needed that.
      Ok, sign me up

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    • Raffaella says:

      Your strategy might keep you healthier than most hospitals.

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    • tinkerthinker2 says:

      Since you said -hit me up below…I have to add a hammer to the kit, in case any of the above doesn’t work. Smash the big toe with the hammer and you won’t feel that ‘other’ pain.

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  17. woohoowee says:

    Do I still get to walk the country, barefoot, with signs in giant letters 🙂 RETHUGLICRATS!

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  18. JoD says:

    What kind of Health Care do they have in Mother Russia?

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  19. Timmy-the-Ute says:

    SD and Pres. Trump are right on this one. As SD has explained the Republicans in the House are divided into to two parts. There are the COC (Chamber of Commence) Republicans lead by Speaker Ryan and the so called principled Conservatives of the HFC (House Freedom Caucus). The important thing to remember is both sides would love to see Pres. Trump fail. As SD has said the HFC just want to repeal Obamacare while the COC Republicans want just to replace it with something like Romneycare, thus we have Ryancare.

    Now of course I would love to just repeal Obamacare but that would fail in the House to start with by about 100 Republicans voting against it and the HFC know this. Ryan knew this and he also knew his own Ryancare would fail to pass the House too because the HFC would also rebel by about 30 votes. In fact Ryan even made his bill extra bad to guarantee it. The goal was to get Trump to right away throw up his hand and move on. And if Trump wrote his own bill then both the branches of the Republicans would be against him. Then Ryan could blame PDJT for the failure, because he was not willing to use any of his capital.

    But Pres. Trump decided to support Ryan and to risk his political capital. Trump knew that even a bad bill was better than Obamacare and that Ryancare could still be fixed in the Senate and Conference and later in Phase 2&3.

    By doing this he controls both sides. First, he has the HFC in a bind because now they either stick with repeal only which is just a fantasy and by voting against the President they are owning Obamacare. Or the HFC can come around and fall in with the President. As far as Ryan and the COC Republicans go, because Trump put in so much of his own capital to support Ryan even though everyone knew it was a bad bill, if it fails Ryan gets the blame not Trump. If it passes the House Trump and only Trump will get the credit and Ryan will know that Trump just saved his Speakership. Ryan will be totally humbled and under the control of the President.

    I know some will say the Obamacare is going to collapse by it self so let it and declare victory. Sorry Obamacare isn’t going anywhere. It was designed to kill the patient. It is like gangrene, it will kill the entire economy unless it is cut away first. The Democrats had hoped to replace it with a single payer system like Canada. You just can’t leave it alone. Ryancare will just be a temporary artificial leg. Better ones will come along. It won’t be totally free market but it will mimic it.

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    • Dennis Leonard says:

      Bravo Me Ute,you have a grasp of the subject.Let all the hand wringers read and learn.We elected a man who thinks for a living,trust him to get the the project done under budget and ahead of schedule.

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  20. Barbara Willams says:

    I heard Pelosi refer to President Trump as s rookie. Is she kidding? The. She proceeded to school him on how to work with congress. Doesn’t she get it yet? The party is over. It’s a new day. He will get it done his way

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  21. elleb77 says:

    “an opportunity to vote for the repeal of ObamaCare.” ???

    I believe Trump’s campaign promise was “repeal every word of Obamacare”.

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  22. Howie says:

    The GOP is draning the swamp. They get a bucket brigade going. They get a bucket of swamp water out of one side of the swamp and pour it out on the other side.

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  23. Lburg says:

    So the Freedom Caucus and others will have access to a seven figure ‘defense’ fund if they vote ‘No’, courtesy of the Koch brothers. Implied is this: “And we’ll use the same fund to get you gone if you vote yes.”

    On the other hand, is us, the Deplorables, saying “Vote with our President, or we will get you gone.”

    This is so much more than health insurance. But health insurance is the issue, and calling the critters is our duty today. Swamp them.

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  24. Ursula says:

    Heritage Action is promoting votes against this bill along with Gun Owners of America.
    How dare they call themselves conservative!

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    • mimbler says:

      Because this is a bad bill that just preserves Obamacare but lets the Republicans get blamed for it.

      Has anyone noticed that they are putting some things in the bill now like getting rid of minimum benefits that they told us were impossible in stage 1? Now that they don’t have the votes, they suddenly discover that they “can” do some of these things.

      Trump is being played by the rinos on this. I don’t blame him; he can’t be down in the weeds on every issue and is working 20 hours a day.

      I suspect he has never in his life dealt with the kind of duplicity he is encountering in congress. In business he could delegate, and fire those who didn’t perform or were disloyal. In congress, disloyal and incompetent is all he has to deal with!
      Mike

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  25. Lady K says:

    Darren Soto our Rep here in Florida – no, I did not vote for him and he is definitely not in favor of voting yes; however, have called and voiced opinion urging him to vote Yes. Have also sent a fax and an email.

    Happy Weekend!

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  26. bob says:

    Sorry but Trump will have the stink on him too. He ran and said he would repeal and replace with something much better, cheaper and cover more people. This current plan does none of that. I’m glad it is going down in flames. Perhaps somebody can take a smart pill and simply expand the much beloved Medicare to any and all people/businesses that want to buy in. Sure there can be free market insurance as well. Choices. Medicare is efficiently run and has already negotiated prices.

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  27. Mr. T. says:

    So where’s the provision to allow healthcare insurers to offer policies interstate(across state lines)? Where’s the Tort Reform spoken about for years, but missing from this bill? Why the hell don’t they just dust off one of their many house bills to fully repeal Obamacare, pass it in the house and force a nuclear option vote if needed in the senate, then send it up to the WH for POTUS’s signature? I know there were several republican written drafts for new healthcare over the years. Amazing how they seem to have all disappeared. Also, if anyone thinks that Ryan is in Trump’s corner, think again. He’s playing a dangerous game, trying to make it appear that he’s working for the people, when he’s really working hard for special interests and couldn’t give a damn about We, The People. That SOB needs to be removed as the Speaker, and the house needs to elect someone with balls enough to stand up for We, The People, and also back Trump and not the US Chamber of Commerce as well as other lobbying organizations. If not, we WILL remember this next year and work to remove ANYONE who goes against the will of the voters.

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