ObamaCare Repeal – President Trump Meets With House Whip – Paul Ryan Holds Press Conference…

Two important videos containing two important aspects to advancing legislation.  In the first video President Trump is meeting with Republican House “whip team”.  The role of the House Majority Whip, Steve Scalise, is to get the various republicans factions to unite in support of a singular legislative goal.  Unite the clans.

President Trump is not meeting with the House Majority Leader, Kevin McCarthy, because Trump views McCarthy as a weasel (don’t ask – just watch).  President Trump gives remarks to the media during the White House meeting:

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The second meeting is Speaker Paul Ryan, House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy and Chairman of the House Energy and Commerce Committee, Greg Walden. Ryan, McCarthy and Walden outline the three-step legislative process that a full and replace bill needs.

Walden outlines the House Energy and Commerce Committee beginning the mark-ups on the bill which starts tomorrow.

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Look, I do not trust McCarthy and/or Ryan; I also believe President Trump does not trust them either. However, on this specific legislative vehicle Greg Walden and HHS Secretary Tom Price are working together. Therefore to the extent McCarthy and Ryan are under pressure from President Trump, the three-step construct gains trustworthiness.

Now, comes the politics of persuasion.  Sell… Sell…. Sell…

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361 Responses to ObamaCare Repeal – President Trump Meets With House Whip – Paul Ryan Holds Press Conference…

  1. muffyroberts says:

    How many whips are there? After watching “House of Cards” I thought there was only one.

    Liked by 3 people

    • patrickhenrycensored says:

      Maybe it was wimps being referred to.

      Liked by 19 people

    • darththulhu says:

      There are 4 Congressional Whips: one for each party in each chamber of the Congress. The “job” of the Whips is to metaphorically lash and whip the plantation slaves (congress critters) into line to vote the way the leadership of their Party wants them to vote. There are a lot of punishments that can be inflicted on people who stray off the relevant plantation, which have only grown in recent decades, so defections to vote “the other way” have grown more and more rare than they used to be (back in the 60s and 70s, there were entire “rebel wings” of liberal Republicans and conservative Democrats, with lots of defections over individual issues, but both parties have become a lot more lock-step since then).

      In full title, the four Whips are: the House Majority Whip, the House Minority Whip, the Senate Majority Whip, and the Senate Minority Whip. Which whip is which depends on which Party controls that chamber of Congress. At the moment, the House Majority Whip and the Senate Majority Whip are both GOPe Republicans pushing the Big Business angle of globaloney, and the Minority Whips are both “centrist” corporate-crony-establishment Democrats pushing the SJW angle of globaloney.

      The reason House of Cards only focused on one Whip is that the lead dude was head of only one chamber and could rally only one party. In the show, the Democrats controlled the House, so the (Democratic) Speaker of the House only had control over the (Democratic) House Majority Whip. The Senate was a different chamber entirely, and the Republican minority wasn’t his to control, so he only cared about the one whip, subordinate to him, getting his entire Party in his chamber to lock-step behind him as he pushed his agenda through that one chamber.

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    • Deb says:

      I think there is one official whip, but they have deputy whips as assistants. I could be wrong.

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      • gotv4trump says:

        Steve ‘the Sleaze’ Scalise is GOP House Whip. He came up in Louisiana politics by claiming to be Tea Party…but soon fell under the Napoleanic charms of the ever-ambitious boy wonder Ryan…maybe he can redeem himself…. Now he seems more powerfully glammed by the God Emperor…I hope that sticks, because should he fall out of favor with Donohue’s CofC boys (McCarthy/Ryan et al) expect his “too-close-for-comfort” proximity to ol’ David Duke (real or imagined) to be brought up…again…hopefully the power of Trump compels him to stay the course.

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    • Southern Son says:

      How many Election Mandates to Repeal, doe’s it take?
      They All needed Whippin’!
      Now they get a ass whoppin’!!
      To the woodshed rino’s.
      Or we can do it right here at the dinner table.
      Make it easy on yourself, and go pick me out a Stout switch, and tell your GlobalCommieProg schoolmates…their next!

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    • Steven says:

      There is a whip on each side, then there are deputy whips, and deputy whips’ assistants.

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    • lokiscout says:

      There are 2. The Republican Majority Whip and a Democrat Minority Whip

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  2. sundance says:

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    • TheOldBear says:

      Good old Levin “The Great Gasbag”
      As Gomer Pyle would say “Surprise, Surprise, Surprise !!! “

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    • The Sundance/Levin feud is getting a little tiresome.

      I don’t expect Levin to be perfect, and and I generally don’t listen to him any more. But Levin’s not all bad either. He says he voted for Trump, and Levin presented the strongest, most coherent explanation of the Trump wiretapping situation.

      Cary Katz can hardly be mocked or faulted for wanting his billion dollar bonanza back. This three-pronged ploy is not what the representatives promised or got elected for and their unwillingness to scrap obamacare with the same bill they sent obama shows their brazen duplicity.

      Levin’s not undermining Trump, Ryan and McConnell and the secret-legislation crafters are.

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      • TheOldBear says:

        Dania Loesch is that you ?

        Liked by 20 people

      • LULU says:

        After saying – shouting!!!! – that he would NEVER vote for Trump. That he was a #NeverTrumper (his own admission), bla, bla, bla, bla…… Levin folded and voted for Trump after Ted Cruz, Levin’s boy, imploded.

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      • sundance says:

        Take your bullshit somewhere else.

        Levin knows what he’s doing. He knows exactly what he’s doing.

        Levin wants to cap Trump at the knees on ObamaCare repeal. Levin is a $$$ funded GOPe gaslighter extraordinaire. He has many fooled.

        Go sell your crazy elsewhere – where the gullible people live.

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        • LULU says:

          Resounding LIKE!

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        • One must not question the all-seeing, all-knowing Sundance.

          Tell me, oh Wise One… Even though he’s an evil money-grubbing celebrity blowhard with bad motivations, was Levin correct with his presentation about the wire-tapping? Even though he’s just dancing to Cary Katz’ tune, did he do it better than anyone else?

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        • Sue in MT says:

          So a strong argument for repeal is distasteful now? Is that the new narrative, just askin’.

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          • majorstar says:

            I don’t know. Was “repeal” [only] ever on the table though? I thought Trump campaigned on “repeal and replace”. That’s what all this is designed to do.

            Liked by 3 people

            • sickconservative says:

              Yea but replace with free market first, don’t see that here.

              Liked by 1 person

              • majorstar says:

                But the “free market” system is basically no national health care plan. That was how it was prior to Obamacare. There were problems with that system. Trump always talked about preserving cvg for pre-existing conditions and children on their parents plan up to age 26, sales across state lines, etc. How does he deliver that without Federal health care legislation?

                There are also political issues that are real to the legislators. This isn’t an easy call and there are going to be some compromises. The art of the deal. Isn’t that what Trump always talked about? And applying free market principles to the fullest extent possible?

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                • WSB says:

                  As long as there was a fake middleman, insurance, creating fake pricing to collude with doctors and employers, there was no fair free market system. Period.

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                • Marc says:

                  Tricare/VA
                  Medicare
                  Medicaid
                  Politician “Cadillac Care”
                  We already have national health insurance for certain groups in the US. It’s the rest of us stuck in the so-called free market system.

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                  • majorstar says:

                    Right. I get the feeling people are all over the place on this, depending on what’s available to THEM. I stand with Trump in feeling that we “can’t have people dying in the street”. That doesn’t mean give them insurance, like Obamacare, but some type of care. I’m not a rigid ideologue who feels compelled to dismantle all social programs. Some of these have become fixtures in our civilization.

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          • Joshua2415 says:

            A strong argument is always welcome, but the most fundamental of all conservative principals is accepting reality. Leave the fairies and unicorns to the liberals/ progressives. The current reality is that while the R’s have a maximum of 52 votes in the senate, only maybe a dozen of those are genuinely conservative. With “republicans” like Susan Collins and Lisa Murkowski as gate keepers, a full repeal bill can’t get 51 votes. So argue, debate, negotiate, and get whatever you can get. Just remember the reality is that the best you can get is what 51 senate republicans will vote for.

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        • Bruce says:

          Absolutely.

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        • Southern Son says:

          $whore.
          Fixed it SD.

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        • gotv4trump says:

          Beautiful…might I add that his “constituuuuutional scholarly books are remedial at best…and please do NOT be fooled by the great lie of the COS Project. Trust Trump. (and Sundance!) Levin knows how pathetic he looks on Fox this week after all of his LOUD WORDS. (I think that is why he has been as nasty as possible when appearing from his Glenn Beck-ish studio…in an empty bunker-cubicle…ready to churn out another 4th grade monograph on agenda-driven case law. (Yawn)

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      • majorstar says:

        Lysander Spooner… now that’s a new name around here.

        Liked by 4 people

      • cozette says:

        If you’re tired of something skip it. As for me, I appreciate knowing who is undermining Trump and why.

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      • sickconservative says:

        I’m new here but find your comment being correct, still don’t see a repeal or anything even close so why should I support it, because Levin doesn’t isn’t an argument.

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        • sundance says:

          “repeal” would be new legislation. New legislation requires 60 votes to approve in the senate. 60 votes to approve in the Senate requires 8 democrats to cross over.

          Do you know of 8 democrats who will vote to repeal ObamaCare?

          Liked by 7 people

          • soozword says:

            Isn’t the 60 vote requirement just tradition? Can McConnell change the rules to a simple majority?

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          • sickconservative says:

            Of course not but really doing almost nothing and then putting the blame on R’s for eternity isn’t the answer.
            How about start with a real free market bill and negotiate from there instead of a Dem lite big Gov’t bill that will get worse from there.

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            • p'odwats says:

              I think there will be major revisions to it before being voted on in the House, but since it’s being touted by Ryan and many of the establishment GOP it’s a tough sell for me. I don’t agree with the president on this one. We still have too much federal government involvement in this plan.

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              • filia.aurea says:

                Anything Paul Ryan touches is subject to suspicion. RyanCare will not pass without major compromise. I want to see Rand Paul’s bill, and OMB scoring. RyanCare neither repeals nor replaces Obamacare. Today was the first time many people heard of Phase 2 and Phase 3.

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          • Blade says:

            Do you know of 8 democrats who will vote to repeal ObamaCare?

            Hell it’s even worse than that! You need those eight (D)ummies plus it requires holding the 52 (R)epublicrat putzes, each of whom believe they are superior intellects than DJT and also believe they are mini-Presidents and Secretaries of State.

            Plus, we don’t really know what is going on behind the scenes. All it would take is for 3 of them to switch to (D) to destroy the Administration completely and I would assume that Schmuck Schumer has made overtures already to entice them. Collins, Graham, McCain, Sasse, Flake …. the list is endless.

            A lot of dumb people on our side showing up in these latest threads. The FedGov is a car crash and our allies are busy worrying about the paint job. We haven’t even got that Scalia seat filled yet and already they are moaning over the irrelevant, and like it or not, Obamacare pales in comparison to the Court. The Second Amendment literally hangs in the balance even now because there are just two Conservatives sitting on the Supreme Court today.

            Trump will fix healthcare as best as he can given the circumstances. If y’all want to help you’d better be working to get Conservatives into Congress because that is the problem we have. An instant repeal, even if it were possible would only mean another round of leftist legislation when the pendulum swings back to them in coming elections and they *will* repeat the 2009 totalitarian strategy that we all watched in realtime and that helped launch the TEA rallies and that Sundance documented so well in the other Obamacare thread. The problem is systemic and rooted deep and has no simple reset button.

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            • cjzak says:

              Agree. This Ocare cannot just disappear asap because we all want it to. And it probably cannot be totally dismantled because of the legislative restrictions already mentioned. We also need to know that many involved have said it will change as they go further along with it. What is so hard to accept about that? Pres. Trump will do the best he can for us on this issue just as he promised. The complexities involved are not unraveled easily that’s for sure. Patience.

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          • WSB says:

            Again, unless there is pressure on the ten Red State Senators who are seeking reelection next year. It would be quite a coup to get them on board. Is there any hope or strategy to attempt that?

            Has anyone taken their temperature?

            Liked by 2 people

            • p'odwats says:

              The question is are they true believer, loyal Dumbocrats to the end, or are they your typical sniveling weasel politician who cares more about the office and its many financial perks? Tough one. Most Dumbocrats are both kool -aid drinking leftists and greedy weasels as well.

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      • Deb says:

        Tell that to Levin, he is pretty insulting towards Sundance, especially on social media. He thinks we are too stupid to get his passive aggressive insults.

        I don’t care if I ever listen to Levin again. Especially after how CRTV treated Mark Steyn.

        Liked by 5 people

      • Stringy theory says:

        Levin is a loud mouthed gasbag whose only real interest is the money. I have never listened to him and his fake tirades. He is a plantation slave to his money master.

        Liked by 4 people

      • Dennis Lonard says:

        You really are not required to defend your son! Levin sold,sold,sold,to the highest bidder.

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      • teaforall says:

        OMG what a bucket of horse shit. Levin is nothing more then a shrill for one reason himself. No way in hell would I ever believe anything that comes out of that mouth. After all the bashing at President Trump and all of his loyal supporters, Levin STFU
        LS you are a troll or doing some heavy drugs………………………………..

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      • Feud? Isn’t that a bit DRAMATIC? There isn’t a feud going on. Sundance is on to his games and he feels threatened and angry about it. He gets a little personal IMO trying to divulge Sundance’s real name and he does this out of SPiTE. Sundance is just reporting and not getting personal like he does.

        I don’t like Mark Leviathan at all. He’s an anger peddler. He has never been on board with making America great again, simply because an anger peddler must have anger to keep his job.

        People who are not angry all the time find listening to angry people very disharmonious. I am not there to be Mark Leviathan’s COUNSELOR and I don’t have problems expressing myself so I don’t need someone to do the yelling for me. Perhaps others do. That’s their prerogative. I did punk rock for many years and the anger angst and rage thing is one of youth and frustration but not conducive to those over fifty.

        But just cuz people don’t like each other doesn’t mean it’s a FEUD. Sundance exposed his hypocrisy and Mark responded with snarky anger. Makes sense. Sundance is an investigative writer who’s job it is to write facts; and Mark Leviathan is an anger peddler. He sells anger and yelling. Sundance doesn’t sell anything. Sundance’s work is provided for free, although there is a donation button he works for free.

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      • Lys and er…spooner,

        Why would you come to this site and malign sundance? Your comment is unwelcome at the outset.

        Insofar as presenting the strongest, most coherent explanation of the wiretapping, The Conservative Treehouse, sundance and commenters here have done the work and deserve full credit.

        President Trump is a winner for the American people; and he will do everything in his power to keep his word to us.

        Please quit stirring the pot.

        WE LOVE SUNDANCE!

        Sincerely.

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      • ledeplorable says:

        Agree.

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    • AZ_Giggles says:

      I’m shocked! Levin, behave like a good little puppet? Oh wait… no I’m not.

      (hopefully, that gif worked, I wish there was at least a “preview” button on wordpress!)

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    • paper doll says:

      Always look behind the curtain

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    • Athena the Warrior says:

      Man’s going to get whiplash one day supporting President Trump over the wire tapping and now back to undermining him over repeal and replace.

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      • joanfoster says:

        It may come as a surprise Athena that people can honestly have their “own” opinion without being in lock step with that which is sanctioned by the powers that be. No one is undermining Trump here. We are asking legitimate questions. Since when did those who question become the enemy here?

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        • majorstar says:

          What is your question?

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          • Sentient says:

            I think she’s standing up for Lysander Spooner, which I can sympathize with. When it comes to people like Levin, it’s hard for some of us to comprehend how his “principles” can thwart change, but they can. Sundance reminding us of the need for 60 votes is important. Unless, of course, they end the filibuster altogether.

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        • Correct. Differing opinions are fine. What is NOT fine is siding with a angry hateful man, Mark Leviathan, who actually falsely accused Sundance of being an anti-Semite for absolutely no valid reason. That is far beyond just voicing an opinion. That’s a horrible lie to accuse someone of when there is no basis nor reason nor was religion even discussed in any way shape or form to even use such a smear. I don’t care that he referred to us at CTH as “nuthouse,” who cares? But the anti-Semite smear was propaganda and a LIE.

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          • joanfoster says:

            I get your point, MoniQue; however, we watched an entire primary season and election of President Trump wherein the leadership of the Republican Party and the hate filled studios at Fox and others in the MSM tear him to shreds on a daily basis. Despite this, Trump has no choice but to work with the party leadership. I have not read nor heard the comments re CTH or Sundance that you refer to because I only listen occasionally to Levin and then only in short segments because his style just doesn’t appeal to me. I can’t speak therefore to your comments. I can say however, that one never learns the music to a new song if they choose to sing out of the same songbook as everyone else.

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    • My money is on PDJT!

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      • singingsoul says:

        I think this is the best Trump can do with two republican factions in senate plus unyielding democrats. He is eager to get the new tax plan in and might have had to give to get that.
        I believe the healthcare has to come first. He also has to get the budget ready.
        The healthcare might look different after everyone does put theire 2cent in.

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    • As you said it’s OLD YELLER. Mark Leviathan.

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  3. LULU says:

    I too am confused about the multiple whips. Thought Kevin McCarthy was the only House whip. ????

    I am astounded the the weasel Levin has the following he seems to have among conservatives. I hate to say this, but some of them are so gullible you’d think they were Dhims. There are even some who are so bowled over with his legal acument that they’d make him a Supreme Court justice. Oy, vey. With Levin, “Follow the Money” seems to be the best way to go when evaluating him. I don’t do pundits, so have never watched/listened to him.

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    • LULU says:

      I can spell acumen, but one typing hand is temporarily damaged…

      Liked by 1 person

    • sundance says:

      The Majority House Whip has a team of underlings who do the actual counting. Trump met with the worker bees, not the queen.

      Liked by 13 people

      • LULU says:

        Thank you…

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      • And that is why I am putting all chips on PDJT; he is negotiating a deal.
        This is just the beginning of the negotiations process.
        He will get the best deal for we the people; wait for it……

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        • Chuck says:

          Abigailstraight, you are spot on. Apparently the art of negotiating is a foreign concept to some of the posters here.

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        • MaineCoon says:

          Double spot on.

          Why go through the middleman when you can go directly to the source?

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        • Windy Day says:

          Yes, I’ve been saying this all day (like a broken record, in fact). This is just step 1 in a lengthy process. Some bone had to be tossed on the table for them to quibble over, and this was it. Now, stand back and watch “The Great Dealmaker” work his magic. You know as well as I do that Trump knows who he works for (US), so let’s trust him to do just that, shall we?

          So far he’s batting a thousand at keeping his campaign promises; I look for him to do the same thing with Ocare!

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      • Southern Son says:

        The Queen.
        Now that’s funny right there!

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    • E C says:

      I tried the true conservative route (I’ve tried everything) but then when I put my beliefs to their test I came up just a wee bit short.

      I do think the purity test is why people get conned by these fake candidates. Looking for perfection in an imperfect world.

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    • Kroesus says:

      McCarthy was the House Whip under Boehner and considered for his replacement as SOTH when he left…..a rumor of an affair with a female Congresscritter scuttled that idea and he was elevated to the House Majority Leader under Ryan

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  4. frank field says:

    As a 57 yr old small business owner, I don’t think anyone owes me or anyone else healthcare. Just another entitlement foisted upon our posterity.

    God bless our beloved Trump and God, please bless America!

    MAGA

    Liked by 19 people

    • sunnydaysall says:

      Amen, FrankField!

      Liked by 3 people

    • sickconservative says:

      So what in this bill as a small business will help you?
      I am also a small business owner and don’t see anything that will help me or my employee’s.
      Let’s face facts here please.

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      • Dennis Lonard says:

        Explain how you connect these two things,

        As a 57 yr old small business owner, I don’t think anyone owes me or anyone else healthcare. Just another entitlement foisted upon our posterity.

        God bless our beloved Trump and God, please bless America!

        MAGA

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      • Why are job providers, business owners, responsible for providing health care in the form of insurance for employees? I used to run a business and I provided a job for my employees. It seems odd how that changed the past decade to somehow being mandatory to provide this to employees. If a business wants to provide it, that is optional. There will be several plans to choose from. The good thing is a single person who is nonpregnant, or over the age of ever being pregnant won’t have to be paying for those services. Or a young person who doesn’t need elderly type services won’t have that in their plan.

        I only scanned through the bill but I didn’t see the plans broken down yet.

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        • kaste668 says:

          Many years ago, insurance benefits was a perk in your compensation package that was used as one moved up in a company. Someone somewhere filled a complaint, it was decided that it was discriminatory and everyone had to be provided insuranc.

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          • Kroesus says:

            Actually it started post WWII if you will do your research…..Truman imposed a wage freeze to prevent an overheated economy from 8M returning war veterans….companies started offering increased benefits to employees to entice a better breed of employee….it got to be acceptable practice as it became more wide spread to the point now it is an expected benefit from any work that is considered full time and a long term career

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        • ecmarsh says:

          I think I am preaching to myself.
          If it is part of your salary then you get insurance. If not then you go and buy some if you feel it is worth the price.
          Insurance companies are not in the business of loosing money. Best for a person to decide if the gamble of the insurance cost is worth it or not. The government should have nothing to do with insurance.

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  5. Martin says:

    I would recommend anyone here not to go to Breitbart right now. Lots of “concern” trolls there about this issue. Last time I checked, this bill has not been signed into law by Trump. Heck, he hasn’t even rolled out his own plan yet.

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    • LULU says:

      It doesn’t hurt for Conservatives to read what “conservative” concern trolls say. We should wear our own filters at all times… And we don’t even know, in the wonderful world of anonymity known as the internet forum, whether they are even “conservatives” or Republicans.

      Bring it on!

      MAGA!!!

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      • Martin says:

        Good point about your last sentence.

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      • jackphatz says:

        Many people are seriously worried that this ONE chance to be rid of this monster will not come to be. After all, when was the last time “folk’s” in DC gave a damn about the us.

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        • Deb says:

          Even if we only have “one chance,” it’s still in the beginning stages. Plenty of time to demand changes. People need to calm down.

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          • jackphatz says:

            If only it wasn’t Ryno……

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          • agree so much ridiculousness over the start to dismantling obamacare.
            So many concern trolls out across the internet who have not read the PDF never listened to Dr Price speak today think this will be passed tomorrow . I am thrilled we will no longer be forced to buy health insurance this bill needs work no doubt am hoping we can get it done.

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        • Windy Day says:

          Well, rest assured that ONE person in DC cares about “folks,” and he’s at the top of the food chain. Nothing will be signed into law without his approval–and that means it has to be good for us (remember MAGA?).

          Here, have some hope!

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          • Southern Son says:

            This is true.
            With so many different factions, even within each party, PDJT can Not be expected/pressured, to sign any that he doesn’t feel is the Best Deal for Us.
            After almost a Decade of debate, I believe patience is a Virtue.
            President Trump has the Upper Hand in Negotiations, and cannot be pressured to sign anything.
            Art of the Deal!

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          • DEGinTN says:

            Please keep reminding us of this, from time to time. We do lose perspective along the way.

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      • I would recommend that people drop their labels all together. There is no such thing as “a conservative.” There are conservative principles — but in politics are often AMBIGUOUS and part of a political system. And those like Mark Leviathan and others make it into a MEMBERSHIP. Same with the label “liberal.”

        As an independent person — not the political membership term independent, but an independent free thinker, the only thing we know for certain is that we are Americans.

        I don’t even like the race membership labels, skin colors and other silliness. So as an outsider I offer this advice.

        Ditch the labels. 🙂

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        • LULU says:

          I agree with you on conservative. I have yet to see anyone really define it. Too often those like Levin use it to set themselves aside and above the rest. Pure. Pfffft.

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    • majorstar says:

      Yep, they’ve just posted a negative article citing “Conservative Review”, which I believe is Levin’s organization. There’s a hailstorm (hellstorm?) of neverTrumpers over there now.

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    • Orygun says:

      I was over at Breitbart earlier and left a resume for the “Great One”. It seems my humor isn’t appreciated by the GOPe trolls.

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    • sickconservative says:

      I’m for Trump but this bill isn’t what I heard in the election.
      If you let the establishment set the goals we lose.

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  6. Repeal obamacare. Replace Ryan and McConnell.

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  7. Keln says:

    I’m kind of sold sold sold. Ryan sounds like he’s on board with this plan…I just wonder what happens when it comes to “phase 3”.

    We’ll see.

    Liked by 6 people

    • sundance says:

      Phase #3 should be normal legislative battles with us calling our representatives. I hope so anyway.

      Liked by 14 people

      • Reality Wins says:

        I worry about the ‘sweeteners’ they will tack on to the legislation in order to buy votes. That is usually how the taxpayers get screwed.

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      • flawesttexas says:

        I needed them cows to lick my face again, but now I see what is all going on now Sundance. For some reason it hit me when I read about Freedom Caucus and allegedly doing their own health care bill.

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      • SharonKinDC says:

        Around 2:10 on the video link, Sen Rand Paul calls into the Alex Jones show. Said he spoke w/ Trump yesterday & Trump listened, interested in his viewpoint and encouraged him to debate the existing Ryan bill. As per usual, Trump’s tweet re a beginning and letting the negotiations commence (my paraphrase) is completely honest. He’s not wedded to Ryan’s plans. However, the ball HAS to start rolling. There is a risk to full repeal which would need 51 Senate votes and full replacement which requires 60. The gambit is would the D’s balk & prefer to have no replacement (likely as either leverage for other negotiations or thinking they can ‘win’ on blaming R’s for the repeal & leaving the poor w/o care) Rand is clearly comfortable w/ the gambit. Trump may be also, but it’s also clear Ryan wasn’t going to put that on offer at the start, and since he has a 2 year election cycle, his job is also to preserve the majority in the House. Frankly, all I know is Ocare MUST end as we know it. Which path is more likely to succeed seems to suggest the Ryan option w/ modifications in the first round (where it involves $ as required for a reconciliation vote) and then ensuring rounds 2 & 3 have enough competitive and other options to drive prices down and give people real choices for their insurance options.

        PS: Dr Steve Pisniak is on the previous segment. Very good remarks on the state of the deep state & Trump’s battle to expose the cockroaches.

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  8. Paco Loco says:

    Why is this so damn difficult? The insurance companies no doubt? Even Mexico has two different medical insurance plans for the middle class and the poor, essentially universal health insurance. For the US, bottom line is making the insurance companies compete to provide a menu of insurance policies that the customer can choose from. How hard can that be to design?
    What we are watching in Washington is a frigging legislative soap opera.

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    • joanfoster says:

      Creating a la carte plans is no problem if that’s what they want, but they really do not want that. That’s the way insurance plans were sold before Obamacare screwed the American people. BTW, what has happened, if anything, to the “death panels”?

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  9. Gadge says:

    How many think this wiretapping of Trump is going to just fade away?

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    • fuzzi says:

      The truth coming out about the “wiretapping” is not welcomed by the anti-Trumpers…too much swamp dirt might be revealed.

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      • Orygun says:

        It does make you wonder with the timing of this Healthcare crap. Come over and look at Levin talking tough about healthcare never mind the Intelligence community illegally wiretapping every citizen and using the complete resources of the Federal government to steal an election. Nothing to see here just keep following the shiny object.

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        • joanfoster says:

          Watched The Five today and basically silence on the intelligence issues. The healthcare debate came along just in time to put the most threatening issue facing the country on the back burner. Meanwhile, I had a useful idiot in my home today telling me Trump was crazy. I asked why. She said he wants to end medicare. As long as we have the MSM working overtime to pour their bilge daily into low information voters, it will be an uphill battle. Then when she realized I had voted for Trump, she said that she loved he and Melania – go figure?

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          • joanfoster says:

            Need to add an additional tidbit of stupidity. When I asked how she liked Obama, she said he was doing only what powers higher than him were directing. I asked who the powers were. She said “his cabinet”. My jaw dropped at the utter stupidity. I asked if she thought he was a Muslim and she said “yes”. That did not seem to disturb her because I really don’t think she understands what that means.

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  10. the right phoenix says:

    Any significance to the purple tie?

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  11. Publius2016 says:

    The Obamacare disaster has perverted the healthcare system in the US. We have two choices: Dems vote for this bill and share ownership or we repeal Obamacare and offer nationwide catastrophic insurance, block grants to states indexed to inflation and hopefully, scholarship for doctors for 8 years of service to hospitals and charities. Either way, MAGA!

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    • Reality Wins says:

      I think most Americans need to get it through their heads that insurance does not equal healthcare. Insurance is the middle man skimming off the cream which leaves less resources for actual healthcare.

      Insurance needs to go back to being for catastrophic illnesses only. That is how it used to be and if you went to the doctor for the sniffles, you paid for it. There were also ‘free clinics’ everywhere for those who could not afford to see a doctor. You went in and waited your turn. They eliminated the ‘free clinics’ and that is when emergency room visits skyrocketed. Politicians create these problems and then claim they know just how to fix it. Problem is every time ‘they fix it’, it ends up costing us more so their friends can get rich and we lose more of our freedoms.

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      • Orygun says:

        Best comment of the day! The media is conditioning people to believe that insurance equals healthcare. Just think how cheap healthcare would be if you paid the doctor and the doctor didn’t have to fill out 15 forms. If the government insists on getting involved give us a tax credit on healthcare.
        The way it stands the deductible is so high only the nearly deceased can use it.

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        • carole says:

          Yes! LIKE!

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        • yadent says:

          Wait…what??. Are you saying that physicians, hospitals, and all healthcare providers are FORCED into accepting health insurance payments? That their ability to render care is solely dependent upon that form of compensation? Could it possibly be that collusion within the medical industry is responsible for the escalating cost of healthcare, thus feeding the upward insurance price spiral?? No collusion say some? Then why Rand Paul’s antitrust protection for the industry in his healthcare bill? Healthcare providers have to accept insurance or they go out of business you say? See— Surgical Center of Oklahoma.
          The Federal government has seen it’s healthcare costs rise at a 9% rate for over 10 years and they run their own ‘insurance’. Last fiscal year the Federal government spent over 1.4 TRILLION dollars on healthcare excluding the VA. Calculate how long before that segment of Federal spending exceeds 50% of Federal expenditures. It’s NOT a healthcare insurance cost problem, it’s a healthcare cost problem.

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      • LULU says:

        LIKE

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        • Publius2016 says:

          One hundred and ten percent agree! It’s the insurance lobby that has pushed real costs skyward…doctors used to be some of the best entrepreneurs because they had little regulations and the work ethic to get things done while giving back to the community.

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      • Sentient says:

        Problem is, it’s not practical to be a cash buyer (with insurance only for catastrophes) when hospitals and doctors are allowed to send you fake bills for 3-4 times the actual cost (as paid by insurers). Sure, you can call around and negotiate for a knee replacement to be done in 1-3 months, but you can’t negotiate when they’re wheeling you into the emergency room. So you’re stuck with the inflated invoice and no leverage to knock it down unless you’re practically indigent. We have to end fake billing yesterday. It’s illegal collusion and a conspiracy between providers and insurance companies. The price should be the price, with or without insurance.

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        • MASHALL says:

          “The price should be the price, with or without insurance!”
          Absolute collusion. Anything Insurance that has any taxpayer support should have competitive bidding. Yuuge Big Pharma collusion.

          Pay strict attention to the words.

          This is not HEALTHCARE.

          This is INSURANCE:
          a practice or arrangement by which a company provides a guarantee of compensation for specified loss, damage, illness, or death in return for payment of a premium.

          No one should be forced to pay for anyone else’s INSURANCE, whether it is a penalty or tax, or loss of a credit.

          I totally despise the slippery slope…of welfare (abhor the word entitlements)

          Once forced to buy this for other taxpaying US Citizens,
          Then they’ll force you to buy it for non-taxpayin US Citizens
          Then they’ll force you to buy it for convicts
          Then they’ll force you to buy it for Illegal Immigrants
          Then they’ll force you to buy it for “Economic Refugees”
          Then they’ll force you to buy if for other countries citizens.
          Freakin’ United Nations CARE

          INSURANCE that they may never use!

          How Revolting will it get?

          The Power to Tax is the Power to Destroy
          Taxed Enough Already!

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  12. Reality Wins says:

    If you can’t touch the progressive/GOPe sacred cow of Big Pharma, how are healthcare costs supposed to come down? Tell us a story Lyin’ Paul Ryan. From January 17, 2017:

    Ryan, in response in an interview with Mike Allen of Axios, said that he wants to “have more conversations about” Trump’s efforts to crack down on Big Pharma corruption before the president-elect—soon to be president—does so.

    “I believe that the current premium support system with Part D works extremely well,” Ryan said. “I think there’s some real success stories … and I think we need to tell that story.”

    When asked by Allen if that also means telling such stories to Trump, he replied that the story needs to be told to “a lot of people.”

    “I think [incoming Health and Human Services Secretary] Tom Price understands this issue extremely well,” Ryan said.

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/01/17/paul-ryan-picks-fight-donald-trump-big-pharma-dont-speak-like-generally/

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    • Pres. Trump is working on a plan to deal with pharma co’s and lower costs.
      He tweeted that earlier today.
      I trust him to get the deal done.

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      • Sentient says:

        We don’t have to micromanage it. That’s the Dems’ method. The maker of epi pens raised the cost to $600. Democrat senator Amy Klobuchar make a big display of introducing a bill mandating the cost be cut to $200. How’s about we just don’t arrest people who bring in a shipment of epi pens from Germany – where they cost about $30? The price would plummet overnight then. Americans are being charged multiples of what the same drugs cost in other countries because we maintain a prohibition on bringing a perfectly safe freely purchased product into the US, its very place of origin in many cases.

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      • Is he going to tackle TORT reform?

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  13. Patriot1783 says:

    Think it’s hysterical that pelosi is asking for specifics when the democrats crammed thru the original Obamacare in the middle of the. Ugh get Christmas. Eve and told everyone it needs to be passed before you can read it to learn what is in it. 🙄

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  14. sunnydaysall says:

    I for one do not like the “hand grenade” outcome so I will give this a wait N see! Trump has not steered us wrong over the past 2 years, and he has been up front and truthful with us all the way! I believe he will give the American people what they want and as constitutionally as possible!

    Just think about the “hand grenade” scenario for a moment! If healthcare and Medicaid collapses, the country could go into a spiral and that is just what Obama and his henchmen want, and President Trump knows this! Anyone here ever read “Briar Rabbit and the Briar Patch”? Trump=rabbit Obama=Fox

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    • sunnydaysall says:

      Or it could go the other (bad) way! Obama= rabbit, and the GOPe= fox

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      • ledeplorable says:

        I don’t trust half assed measures that maintain entitlements. That is not what we were promised. I’d rather leave a putrefying health care bill around Democrat necks then pass a Republican OBAMACARE lite bill. I’m calling my congressmen ad telling them to vote no on the RYAN /TRUMP healthcare entitlement plan.

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        • sunnydaysall says:

          It will not end up being obamacare lite… Did you read Sundance’s article? It is just going to take some time to unravel this mess, otherwise we throw the baby out with the bathwater!! The bill is no where near a finished product yet!

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        • majorstar says:

          Do you realize that Trump vowed not to touch Social Security and Medicare? Those are considered “entitlements”. Is his maintenance of them something you “weren’t promised” too? I’m not sure where all this sense of betrayal is coming from. Repeal and replace was a campaign slogan. What did you believe “replace” was referring to?

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        • flova says:

          I agree. I remember President Trump saying he thinks we should let Obamacare fail and crumble under its own weight; maybe Ryancare will do just that, just speed up the process. Once the mandate and taxes are nixed, there will be a crack and pretty soon that will lead to a bigger crack. Just keep pounding away until the free market takes over.

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    • carole says:

      On the other hand, if such collapse is imminent, wouldn’t that strongly encourage Ryan & Co to bring a REAL BILL repealing and replacing to the president’s desk? I love my President Trump But I also have bad memories of how Congress screwed Ronald Reagan re: ‘just sign this amnesty bill and we’ll secure the border. I do not trust Congress one iota. I pray that PTrump can bring them around. I trust. And if my trust is verified, I will trust some more.

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      • sunnydaysall says:

        Trump is a business man and a very savvy and successful business man at that! I do believe it is going to be very hard to slip something by him… And as Sundance has shown in this article, a process needs to take place because we do not have a super majority in the senate to pass what we want! While all the repubs voted to repeal obamacare when they knew obama would not sign the bill, they are now balking at repealing when they now know it will be passed. All prior votes on repealing obamacare were just political theater! Now they have to put up or shut up and the votes are not there! So, certain and meticulous steps have to be taken to accomplish what we need done!

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  15. El_Flaco says:

    Refundable tax credits is a disaster.

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  16. John Locke says:

    Can I point out that Steve Scalise looked like the most excited man in the room for the quasi-State of the Union

    SCalise had a huge smile on his face the entire speech and lept to his feet at every opportunity

    The entire speech

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  17. Tazz2293 says:

    A lot of People have lost their minds today.

    I like many was hurt, angry, facing fear and uncertainty as we move forward in the beginning stages of this process.

    I don’t have all the answers I just know I voted for Trump and have to trust he is doing what is best.

    Too many are always too ready to give up too quick.

    Thank you all for a little sanity in an otherwise awful day.

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    • carole says:

      Good post, Tazz. I have to admit I’ve felt very frazzled today. Really sick of all the wrangling with media, congress critters, cia crapola, etc.

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      • Tazz2293 says:

        Me too Carole.

        Let us hope tomorrow is a better day.

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        • I am ecstatic! A very good day for me!! The Wikileaks going after the CIA? A total answer to prayers just prayed last night too. Was praying for more assistance in exposing and fighting and crushing the Deep State and wallah Wikileaks Vault 7 Part 1 “Year Zero” appeared!

          Just think, the citizen journalists and energetic and pitbull millennials will dig so deep into this I cannot wait to see and hear what they uncover.

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        • p.s. then another fantastic thing happened. Wilbur Ross announced the billion dollar fine on that company in Texas and said “this is just the start.”

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    • Cameraman says:

      Sorry to hear that you had a bad day. But as a Trump supporter it should give you comfort that President Trump has had another wonderful day!

      On the healthcare issue the only thing that really counts for consumers and that will ultimately happen is that the weasels (aka health insurance sellers aka fraudsters) are dragged kicking and screaming to a world where they actually have to compete for your business – oh, the horror! Anyone would think we live in some kind of free enterprise based economy.

      Well, at least we do now.

      It is astonishing (to us mere mortals) what President Trump has been able to achieve in 6 weeks (normal for him of course) yet even now there are those who want ten times more and they want it yesterday! Have a little patience. Your Commander In Chief will deliver everything just as promised, except under budget and ahead of schedule.

      And he will crush his enemies, just for fun.

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  18. WeThePeople2016 says:
  19. This is just so wrong- I am so disgusted- for one thing- WHO IN THEIR RIGHT MIND TRUSTS PAUL RYAN ON ANYTHING? I don’t much trust Pence for being so close to Traitor Ryan and the others. This RINOCARE has got to go. The government can not run a retirement fun, it can’t run a postal service- and a healthcare is going to be way too much for them to handle. Trump won’t be President forever (yes sadly this is so!) so if we have government run healthcare- at some point the lunatics like Obama will once again get voted in- then we are vulnerable- we are in danger. The Government should REPEAL Obamacare completely- then take away the restrictions about buying insurance across state lines- AND JUST LET US GET OUR OWN INSURANCE- WITHOUT THE GOVERNMENT BEING IN THE MIDDLE- JUST HANDLE THE PEOPLE WHO DON’T HAVE INSURANCE! AND GET RID OF OBAMACARE….NOW!

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    • Eric Kennedy says:

      The Republicans don’t have the votes in the Senate to do what you want to do. See Sundance’s other article on this.

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    • sundance says:

      …”The Government should REPEAL Obamacare completely”…

      Oh, OK Great. You do know that to repeal ObamaCare completely is a bill that requires 60 votes in the Senate, right?

      So who are the 8 democrats that will vote to repeal ObamaCare?

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      • joanfoster says:

        Why can’t they use the nuclear option – you know the Dems favorite weapon?

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        • sundance says:

          They are limited to 3/5ths rules on making laws. That’s 60 votes.

          Unless the Republicans want to throw out the filibuster completely. Shred the remaining remnants of the constitution, and change the vote thresholds to simple majority just like the House.

          ps. Say goodbye to the Republic, because you will be replacing it with a straight mob rule democracy with no minority protections.

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          • carole says:

            Why can’t we repeal it with the nuclear option the way the Dems voted it in? For this one thing? I just do not understand this at all. It should be repealed and replaced – not with another plan — but with regulations on the insurance companies.

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          • E C says:

            I thought conservatives were big on following and protecting the constitution?

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          • sickconservative says:

            Just curious but I haven’t read that line in the Constitution.

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          • Bill Brown says:

            What a load of nonsense.
            The world’s English speaking democracies, including the US, have a system founded in British parliamentary govt and British Common law.
            None of these countries has the stupidity of requiring some of the opposition voting with the govt to get a law passed. Nothing would ever get done or it would be compromised out of existence, which is the reality in the USA .
            None of these countries experience “mob rule” or lack of “minority protection”.

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          • Kroesus says:

            you are pretty smart SD but the filibuster/cloture vote requirement of 50 vote is NOT constitutional….it is a Senate rule (which is why they can change it with majority vote) that was enacted historically to engage the minority factions of the Senate more fully…..you should review the “Federalists Papers” and see what Adams had to say and thought of factions

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        • Orygun says:

          When we had the majority in the House, the Dems ran everything. When we had the majority in the House and Senate, the Dems ran everything. When we have the House, Senate and the Presidency, the Dems still run everything. Go figure.

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          • sundance says:

            That’s what happens when you stick together and don’t create a circular firing squad.

            Democrats stick together.
            Republicans create circular firing squads.

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            • sickconservative says:

              Yes but who is really the problem?
              To me it’s the establishment big talk and really do nothing but be Dem mini me’s.
              Really it is the time for the R’s to get some balls but with Ryan an McConnell as the leaders we have no balls at all.

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              • singingsoul says:

                We have two factions of republicans the group Cruz belongs too and the one Ryan leads.
                Democrats all work together for one purpose. We do not. Each group likes to have their pie. Unless we unite the way we did in the election we will not achieve what Trump promised. From the beginning Ryan and others worked against Trump. Republicans do not seem to see the bigger picture and rather loose. Trump is not a dictator if he were we get all we want and still not be happy.

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                • sickconservative says:

                  Really when did we unite, the last thing the establishment wanted was Trump and many would be more than happy with a Hillary presidency.
                  Trump has to realize that a good portion of the r’s never wanted him and will fight him, do have hope he will with Bannon on board.

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          • Eric Kennedy says:

            If the Dems ran everything, we would have nationalized single-payer healthcare.

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            • sickconservative says:

              They tried and why we are here now, Dems never back down while spinless r’s are scared of there shadow and any criticism at all from the LSM.
              They either don’t have any values or are paid for that I believe at this point.
              Regardless Trump can’t trust them!

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      • vfm#7634 says:

        “So who are the 8 democrats that will vote to repeal ObamaCare?”

        We might try picking off those Demo-rats who did vote yes to some of Trump’s less controversial nominees (like Ross, Zinke, Perry, Pompeo, etc.).

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    • joanfoster says:

      How much influence does Sen. Price have on this bill? Ryan today in his news conference alluded to the fact that Republicans had been campaigning on this bill for months. Really??? When did Ryan or any other Republican for that matter give one revealing look into the plan prior to November 8? Trump said repeal and replace and stressed competition as a way to bring down prices. So far, we do not see that in the bill as it relates to intrastate commerce.

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  20. rf121 says:

    As can be seen by the divisions among the regular posters here, this issue will be a problem to solve. As designed when implemented by the dems. Donald may have wrote the Art of the Deal but he has yet to write the Art of the Deal with 535 knuckle heads.

    I am for pulling the band aid off at once. Hurts a little more at first but I think a better long term result. I worry that the three phase approach will drag out a couple of years. As soon as phase one is passed it becomes “our problem” which the dems will hammer home into the 2018 election.

    When I walk into McDonalds I can look at the menu and know what I can get and for how much. If I don’t like it I move onto Burger King or Wendy’s (my favorite but I digress). Until health care is as transparent with the services and costs, and I can move on to the next office that is more competitive, then this will never work.

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  21. MASHALL says:

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/03/07/obamacare-2-0-guts-enforcement-gives-illegal-aliens-healthcare-through-identity-fraud/

    Traitor Ryan is an Anti-US Citizen, Rino Sell-out Liar.. He and his Rino Sellout Wife Janna. Professional Career and Married Life (BIG PHARMA AND BIG INSURANCE).

    Upon finishing her schooling, Ryan, who is a tax specialist, lived in Washington, D.C., for about a decade. She continued to work as a congressional aide for some time and then as a corporate lobbyist, representing some of the biggest names in a range of industries. Among her corporate clients were Blue Cross/Blue Shield, Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America, Marathon Oil, the United Parcel Service and the Cigar Association of America.

    In a period of about three years, Ryan’s 20 corporate clients paid more than $2.7 million in lobbying fees to her two employers, PricewaterhouseCoopers and Williams & Jensen, according to an August 2012 Huffington Post article.

    http://www.biography.com/people/janna-ryan-20950271#professional-career-and-married-life

    We need a list of backers for this garbage/Ovomitcare 2.0. To make our Representatives aware of our vehement (i despise this word, “concern”), how about outrage!

    This is what the Uniparty is using to overrun us with 3rd world Illegals. Come for the free medical services, stay for the Entertainment.
    Motion to Vacate the Chair!
    E-Verify NOW!!!!!!
    CRIPES!!!!!

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  22. Sandra-VA says:

    Chamber of Commerce is 100% in favor of Ryan’s Better Way (which is what this is, supposedly).

    I am guessing this means that all their cronies are getting their payouts.

    However, I am going to wait and see what happens. I am “concerned” that this process will take 3 parts… and that parts 2 & 3 won’t happen.

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    • ledeplorable says:

      Of course they won’t. You think Republican leadership will do the heavy lifting two more times….after OBAMA LITE is passed.Never happen.

      Liked by 2 people

    • sickconservative says:

      Well as a past member of the CoC that is telling, thirty years ago the represented business
      small and large but have long ago been bought by big business.

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  23. Joan says:

    I think a lot of people have a problem with the fact that for two years Trump said he would repeal Obamacare. He didn’t say the nitty-gritty of how he would do it. So people don’t understand the nitty-gritty. And then there is this: http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/03/07/obamacare-2-0-guts-enforcement-gives-illegal-aliens-healthcare-through-identity-fraud/

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    • MASHALL says:

      Howdy Joan, so, you read my post close enough to correct Janna Ryan’s political affiliation but didn’t read close enough to see I already posted the briet bart link?
      All in good humor 🙂

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      • MASHALL says:

        I’ll just help myself to a few likes….:)

        25 Likes

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      • Joan says:

        Yes, I saw you posted that but I didn’t think it would do any harm to post it again – since not everyone reads each and every post and if they didn’t read yours they would read mine – or vice versa. Sorry if I offended you.

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        • MASHALL says:

          You didn’t offend Joan, yes, hopefully the double post will get more to read it.
          Respectfully,
          All in good humor : )

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  24. streetparade says:

    This makes a lot more sense to me now. A lot of the changes are going to be in phase 2 when Tom Price can change the rules (such as making low cost “catastrophic” policies legal again.) I think they almost HAVE to keep the construct in place for now because it’s the ACA construct that gives so much power to the HHS Secretary.

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  25. dilonsfo says:

    Surprise, surprise, surprise! People posting their outrage today were just posting their complete support for Pres. Trump yesterday. Today, “he’s not keeping his promise,” Pres. Trump is either out commander or he is not. He says he is backing this bill and the process needed to get this bill to what he promised the American people. I believe him…not the back and forth of the soldiers. If commanders listened to the soldiers bitches: no war would be won.

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    • missmarple2 says:

      Yep.

      Going this way, as streetparade said above, Phase 2 will allow Price to remove or modify a lot of ACA. THEN it can be codified into law.

      Doing it this way allows the improvements to be dne quickly, and puts the dems in the position later, when we try to permanently cement the rule, into WANTING TO TAKE AWAY the improvements.

      Master Negotiator Trump is putting the dems in a no-win situation.

      People need to quit listening to linear thinkers who can’t see complex strategy.

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    • sickconservative says:

      I never give my complete support to anyone but myself.
      Now you are the one accepting without critical thought a bill you haven’t read.

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      • amjean says:

        Isn’t that the rub….and acting like
        they are “all that”….and as if we
        peons don’t deserve to know every
        thing about something that affects
        all of us. Some on this site act
        like the rest of us do not have the
        right to ask questions and if we do
        tell us that we are not as intelligent
        as they deem themselves.

        Which is more hogwash.

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  26. quintrillion says:

    How many times is the public going to allow the government to sell insurance to us?
    SS and Medicare are practically mandates deducted right from pay.
    Feds just love selling insurance.

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    • missmarple2 says:

      You want to take away Social Security and Medicare? Good luck with that.

      You are welcome to virtue signal about how perfectly conservative you are, but that dog won’t hunt with the vast majority of citizens.

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    • MASHALL says:

      Quintrillion it is Nothing Less than Revolting Corruption.

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  27. Joan says:

    I understand the need for 60 votes in the Senate to repeal Obamacare – but I don’t understand why the nuclear option could not be used instead.

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  28. Ziiggii says:

    The only argument I have is that Trump somehow let us in on his plan. I’d love a discreet way for him to get a message (the message) out to We The People somehow some way to let us know what he’s doing/gonna do.

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  29. Trump’s teeet an hour ago!

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  30. Tazz2293 says:

    With all that faces us and this nation way too many people are way too anxious to throw Trump under the bus too soon. Do this and we have for sure lost everything we have been fighting to save. We won’t get another chance.

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  31. Read the new bill (only 123 pages) here: https://housegop.leadpages.co/healthcare/
    Certainly an improvement and not stuffed with bullshevik and bloated scams and bilking Americans mechanisms.
    vs.
    the 2,700-page bill of Obamacare aka HorrorCare! Full of absolute crapola, a government run an forced down your throat scam, very communistic.

    Ryan sure took care of the press eh? It was good to see him take control of the room and not cater to the BullShevik preaching and praising of Nancy Pelosi in the guise of a question and he answered that “reporter” and shut her down quick. He’s pretty good at that. I like that.

    I don’t necessarily like HIM, but I like how he handles the press, knows how to shut their silly bullshevik up quick.

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  32. Tazz2293 says:

    We also have the Markup Process to get through and whatever the Senate decides to change

    A committee markup is the key formal step a committee ultimately takes for the bill to advance to the floor. Normally, the committee chair chooses the proposal that will be placed before the committee for markup: a referred bill or a new draft text. At this meeting, which is typically open to the public, members of the committee consider possible changes to the proposal by offering and voting on amendments to it, including possibly a complete substitute for its text.

    A markup concludes when the committee agrees, by majority vote, to report the bill to the chamber. Committees rarely hold a markup unless the proposal in question is expected to receive majority support on that vote. The committee may vote to report a referred bill, with recommended changes that reflect any amendments adopted during the markup. As an alternative to a referred bill, it may instead report out an original or clean bill that was basically written in the markup process itself from a draft proposal.

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  33. Stringy theory says:

    I trust President Trump will do all in his power to deliver on what he promised. He is facing the united resistance of the uniparty and their globalist-owned media backers. I would like a clean repeal and replace, but for now, Trump will have to work within the system as it currently exists. I hear many say they prefer the current system over an attemp to revise it within current constraint–lacking 60 votes in the senate. That being the case, they should simply sit back and continue enjoying the status quo.

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  34. LULU says:

    Re Ryan et al a couplel of days ago:

    There’s another aspect to this that has become abundantly clear over the last couple of months. Both parties wanted to see Clinton win. The Republicans, at least the leadership, liked the setup under Obama. They got to pose as rock-ribbed conservatives fighting Obama, without ever having to do anything. Democrats liked that Obama was just issuing executive orders and bypassing the parliamentary process. The Washington ecosystem was at equilibrium as long as everyone on both sides played their part.

    The proof of this is the fact that the GOP has no plans ready for the 2017 legislative session. They have been talking for years about ObamaCare and now we know they never planned to do anything. The same is true of taxes, which is the one thing Republicans like doing. They have no plans for anything, not even something symbolic. They not only have no plans, they are still staggering around in shock, not sure what they should be doing. Suddenly nothing makes sense to the people inside the bubble and they are scared.

    http://thezman.com/wordpress/?p=9770

    President Trump’s win blindsided them. Ryan finally had to give away to Bret Baier that they were just now putting an Obamacare plan together. Ryan is supposedly the budget and financial planning wonk. What does he have on taxes? Empty suits. Caught virtually without even those…

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    • singingsoul says:

      Jam independent and got to realize that conservative is like a identification without the work. Looks great attracts like minded people who vote you into a cushy job. No wonder they kept loosing.
      Trump is doing and all people complaining. The dems the GOPers and the tee party conservatives. Maybe the nationalists need to stick together because alternative communists are the pits.

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  35. Strea says:

    This is the opening scene of Act. 1. You don’t open with the ending. Congress does the Kabuki, that’s what they do. The President will provide leadership to arrive at the proper ending. The process is tricky, ( everybody gets to opine ), and that’s why we hired the Negotiator and his cabinet of killers. Enjoy the Kabuki and watch our President bring it home. He has leverage and the budget resolution is expiring soon. MAGA !

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  36. Rachel says:

    I believe POTUS and Sec. Price were misled about what can and cannot be done with repealing Health Care. Someone beside Ryan convinced him that it would be too difficult to get to the 60 vote requirement. However, wasn’t it passed without the 60 vote threshold? Yeah, just give up before even trying. If his promise to repeal and replace Obamacare was so important in helping Americans, then a Repeal and Replace bill should be forced through without the Dems. Did I hear him say today, that he had become a Politician? If so, I understand why he went along with Ryan’s plan. I really do not see the harm in him listening to the members of the Freedom Caucus. I agree Rand Paul on this one and hope POTUS will at least give him and the Freedon Causus a chance to get involved at this point.

    I remember Boehner saying, I believe last week, that Obamacare would not be repealed. He should know, he is one of the critters in the swamp trying to drag POTUS in with them.

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  37. Rickster says:

    All this uproar over the 1st step of the bill is insane. It’s being put out and will be debated and passed back and forth, then land on the President’s desk. Do you think he will sign a half azzed bill? I don’t. Things may seem to move fast but remember, Trump time isn’t the same as House/Senate time, he is the Flash compared to them.. It will end up being the best bill our Pres. can get under the circumstances.(If you don’t understand those please read Sundance’s detailed outline).

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  38. winky says:

    I believe that a complete overhaul of the bill would have been way too much to do at this time but one of the most important things that had to go was the taxing of Americans that did not want to buy Obamacare which was so financially burdensome on people. Would have taken too much time to completely overhaul right now. I am sure there are other things that were improved but this is not the final deal. The next major deal is a big tax cut. As other phases of the healthcare law are added more fine tuning will be done and soon enough the original bill will not be recognizable. This is the way PTrump has to do it because of the votes he needs and the lack of co-operation from dems so he is saying SCEW YOU I will do it another way without you because I will not back down. At the end of it all the bill will not have Obama’s name on it……..this is just my opinion about what is going on . We need to be patient and give Trump a chance to do it his way. He will not lie to us. He just has to get it done the way he can.

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  39. WSB says:

    Hannity has Atlas Healthcare on now.

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  40. Rickster says:

    The sad thing is that this is obscuring the WikiLeaks drop. Gives the lame stream a good excuse not to cover the fact that Obama has been exposed.

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    • WSB says:

      Badly. I was over there this evening. It will blow your mind. 9000 files of instructions.

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    • Don’t worry. The Wikileaks expose on the CIA Deep State doesn’t really need the media nor to make the rounds. The CIA knows we got their ticket. And that means those leaders around the world got their ticket as well. This really weakens them. Give it another week or so for the citizen journalists and those sharp millenials like reddit AND OTHERS to dig and uncover many stories in those emails. I don’t know how I know but I just know that this has the deep state CIA AND OTHERS shaken, paranoia will follow. They are not strong people. Only when things are hidden. Fear operates and once it’s let lose it kills. The good thing is their fear has come home to roost on THEM.

      I remember when the Podesta emails came out. No one even noticed the treasure trove of stories in there. Like the pedophilia codes and child trafficking clues. And to think, we just thought it was exposing Hillary’s media pals’ bias. Those emails opened up a huge investigation of human trafficking.

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      • *correction 1st paragraph should read documents and Wikileaks (not “emails”)
        ** another correction: “once it’s let lose it kills” should read “once it’s LET LOOSE” (not let lose)

        oops! my spelling and grammar is just horrific lately.

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      • Rickster says:

        Your on to something Moni. I didn’t want to derail the thread, just point out that all this hoopla is good cover for them, but I agree with you.

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  41. MfM says:

    People who voted for repeal are upset.

    What is happening is Trump needed 60 votes to repeal. So he is dismantling it in place with a multi step process that only requires a majority.

    The first phase makes way for other changes until hopefully we have the equivalent of repeal and replace.

    Doing it in stages is difficult for people to accept. To often we don’t get what we are promised by our lawmakers in DC.

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  42. NoOneButTrump says:

    Thanks to Sundance for putting some much needed facts down. Here’s my take:

    1) President Trump is not a dictator. He’s a great negotiator.
    2) The uniparty has never faced someone like Trump in the White House.
    3) President Trump hasn’t let me down yet. If he says this will take three phases, then I’ll let him have the time and my trust to work that through… while he’s fixing intelligence, education, inner cities, defense, foreign policy, immigration, energy production, regulations, taxes… I’m sure I’m forgetting something…oh yeah… voter fraud!
    4) Loudmouths who post the same thing several dozen times in these threads need to go start their own website and stop sowing dissension here. Take your mad and go home. The adults here have important things to discuss.

    I’m fine with people who are asking legitimate questions and expressing skepticism of Ryan, but President Trump has negotiated with far more fearsome people than Paul Ryan. Give him a chance. Remember, he can’t tell us everything. We need to learn trust and patience. Praying is always helpful.

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  43. decisiontime16 says:

    Paul Ryan in the video selling the health care bill..

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  44. Hollywood Bungalow says:

    I think people need to hold their fire. I hear a lot about how we need to repeal, but then posters don’t follow up with a replacement plan. If Republicans pass a plan that puts millions on the street with no health insurance you can kiss the house and the senate goodbye in 2018. Then it’ll be very tough sledding for Trump. I think we can agree that all Americans deserve quality, affordable healthcare.

    Let the process work and then debate the final merits of the bill. I am also going to criticize Rand. Once again he has the cameras on him, but fails to say why we should go with his plan. Let’s hope Jim Jordan is a better salesman. Eager to hear more about his plan.

    To those who are against entitlements, i.e. the tax credits, fair enough. But understand that anyone getting a tax advantage thru employer-based coverage has been getting an “entitlement” for years. Shouldn’t those having to buy on the individual market get the same financial consideration? That’s crony capitalism.

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    • LULU says:

      Well said. I also wonder why anyone would believe that PDJT would go for the first proposition to hit the table. This seems more like an opener than the final deal. He is, after all, a master negotiator who has told us he puts something out there (more than he is willing to settle for) and then the negotiation begins.

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  45. Benson II says:

    I like how Ryan explained how some things could not be put into a reconciliation bill but needed to be done separately because they needed 60 votes. This explained a lot to me about why some things we wanted couldn’t be included. That along with CTH’s information on how things are done in the Senate and House and how the separate powers need to be preserved helped me understand what’s happening and why Trump is supporting this. This is going to be a helluva brouhaha for many days to come so I’m glad I understand it more clearly thanks to CTH and the information I’ve seen here.

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  46. Health Savings Accounts are great, BUT the bureaucrats messed up the law when it became applied to Senior Citizens. In the booklet describing the HSA plan for Seniors, there was a clear statement of Intent of the (Republican) Congress to allow us to have an account “at the financial institution of our choosing.”

    Oh, goody! I immediately called my credit union, whose personnel all professed total ignorance of such a plan. Eventually, after hours on the phone, I learned there was ONE BANK, in Massachusetts, I think, and ONE BANK only, where I could have an HSA account.

    Okay, I gave up and opened an account there. First thing that happened, a fee or charge of some kind. Long story short, the balance was doomed to decline, whether I took money out of it or not, b/c fees were higher than the interest accruing on the account. I got scared and wrote a check for the balance listed on the account. When the check cleared (in my credit union, hahahaha), I wrote and officially closed the account. I believe the bank stopped “supporting” that program a month or two later!

    Perhaps I was not alone? We Seniors are pretty smart when we are clearly being attacked!

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