Vice-President Mike Pence Munich Security Conference Speech…

Vice-President Mike Pence traveled to Munich on behalf of the President Trump administration to deliver a speech at the security conference.

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There is a transparently troubling issue with VP Pence following his involvement in the loss of General Michael Flynn.

Former Governor Mike Pence was selected for VP because he represented a bridge between the grassroots Trump movement and the GOPe Republicans.

Those who are professionally republican, and those who are crony constitutionalists within the CPAC crowd leadership are both big government. This GOPe group, along with the NeverTrump movement is the foundation of the Pence coalition.  These are NOT President Donald Trump supporters.

In the past 10 days the tentacles of the GOPe have reached out to pull Pence back into the familiar fold. Unfortunately Vice-President Pence has willingly embraced the traditional GOPe elements the Trump movement has long rebuked. As such his loyalty to the administration’s objectives is now in question.

If an intervention does not take place within 10 days, before March 1st, the division will be too great to close.  If Pence does not reinvest himself in the Trump administration and rethink his loyalties, history teaches us what comes next – and it would be in the best interests of Ivanka, Don Jr. and/or Eric to intercede quickly.

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705 Responses to Vice-President Mike Pence Munich Security Conference Speech…

  1. davikk says:

    Is the “Shadow Government” Threatening to Undermine President Trump?
    http://investmentwatchblog.com/is-the-shadow-government-threatening-to-undermine-president-trump/

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    • solomonpal says:

      That blog seems out ahead of everybody a day or 2 but I’m still thinking that it’s still a bit on the far reaching side. I have it as a favorite for now. CTH is at the top of my list even if some of its fans are AR.

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    • yy4u says:

      Is the Pope a Catholic? Well, wait. Take that back. This Pope is obviously a Red.

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    • 4bleu says:

      of course it is. but they don’t know what to do because Trump is ‘different’ They’re pushing the buttons that always worked for them in their bubble, but their expected results aren’t happening.

      Funny thing, with all the swish dinners and banquets, expedited everything and expense accounts they all are egocentric poseurs on other people’s money wanting to have the lifestyle of royalty and billionaires like… well, Donald Trump.

      He built his lifestyle, it’s solid; they mimic it – a hollow facade.

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    • jeans2nd says:

      From your referenced article – “If establishments, the mainstream media, and Hillary Clinton combined could not beat Mr. Trump, then neither can a shadow government”

      Read the entire article. Remeber SOS Tillerson began housecleaning in the State Dept last Wed before departing for Europe. All is well.

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  2. freddiel says:

    Maybe, just maybe there are many things going on that we have no clue about. Perhaps we should get back to our faith in God and His hand in this whole matter. I hate to say this, but there are a whole lot of new names on this site posting things that are pure “concern”. Take a look at this article and see if it opens your mind a little and proves just how little we really know.
    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-02-17/dhs-insider-warns-its-spy-versus-spy

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    • jeans2nd says:

      From your article – “How do we exert power? Via fear.. first the small fish are interrogated, and provide information that leads to larger fish. ”

      We fear no one. And Jeff Sessions is now in charge at DOJ. Rule of law will prevail. No worries.

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  3. Joan says:

    So many theories. So many convolutions. Very difficult to know the real truth of many things. I voted for President Trump and I trust him. I think he picked Pence because he needed what Pence can do and he wants to be President of all the people, even the GOPe and even those on the left. If he makes a mistake, and what human doesn’t, I believe he will find a way to fix it. I also think he is having the rally today, in part at least, to show the MSM that he has a lot of support (and that they can go screw themselves). As for Gen. Flynn, I really don’t know the real reason as to why he was fired but I trust our President. Sometimes one just has to take things on faith.

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    • ron says:

      I suspect Flynn was not up to the job. Trump needed a pretext to fire him in order to move on. I think Trump feels beholden nevertheless because of the job Flynn did in the campaign. Hence the kind words about him in the press conference.

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      • Bull Durham says:

        What was the job description?

        He was pronounced by Nunes of the House Committee on Intelligence, the best ever for ten years, no comparison to anyone he had ever seen or heard.

        His reputation was a lightning rod who wanted to reform the deceitful Intel and military that were playing along with Obama and Brennan and getting Americans killed and keeping ISIS and AQ and Taliban viable.

        He brought in 200 flag officers to the campaign for Trump. And many hundreds of Colonels and others of less than flag rank. He sold Trump to the Military. Don’t forget, Trump was never in the service. That raises big flags. Flynn erased all doubts.

        Flynn was devoted to America and Trump and the Movement.

        Not up to the job?

        He wasn’t a sellout.

        He wasn’t a stooge.

        And he went down like a hero, protecting Trump, his commander.

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        • Cow wow says:

          I agree.

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        • Paco Loco says:

          That’s why losing Mike Flynn is so distressing. He knew where all of the bodies were buried, who could be trusted and who wasn’t trustworthy. He took a bullet for Trump and I really want to know why.

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          • Deb says:

            I think it must have helped smoke out some terrible traitors. It brought the deep state and the corruption out into the open, making it easier for Trump to deal with it. I’m sure there are more ways it benefitted the good guys that we will never know about.

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  4. gary says:

    Question to you guys:

    How did we learn that Pence had a problem with Flynn?
    Did it come from Trump? Did it come from Flynn?

    Who did it come from? Was the story planted in MSM? How? By whom?
    Give your take on it.

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    • Notmeagain says:

      Just was also thinking, which one had Trump’s ear first, Flynn or Pence? What do Sessions and Bannon think of both? Another, now lost, short early announcement I saw on Flynn’s resignation implied that it was Flynn who didn’t trust Pence, not the other way which has now become the official line. Could Flynn have been trying to smoke out Pence?

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    • TheseTruths says:

      “Give your take on it.”
      That’s the problem I have with all this. People are giving their take not based on facts.

      “How did we learn that Pence had a problem with Flynn?”
      We don’t know that Pence had a problem with Flynn. All we know is that Flynn said he didn’t reveal all the facts to Pence. We don’t know that Pence threw a fit about it or called for Flynn’s firing. We know that Pres. Trump said there is an issue of trust, and that it is his own issue — Pres. Trump’s. People are speculating that Pence is behind all that; yet, we have no idea.

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      • majorstar says:

        Thing is, “an issue of trust” is nebulous enough to cover a host of situations, including simple political expediency. Nothing has ever been established about the Flynn matter, including the substance of his Russian calls or his representations to Pence. Why is this?

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        • TheseTruths says:

          Isn’t is a matter of national security, finding out who listened to the calls, and then who leaked them? I wouldn’t expect anything to come out until an investigation is done.

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        • Paco Loco says:

          In his resignation letter Flynn says it was about briefing VP Pence “with incomplete information” about his conversation with the Russian ambassador. That hardly seems like grounds for being fired. It’s all cover for Pence. I think Pence was back channeling info and Flynn discovered the back channel and told Trump about it. When Pence was questioned by Trump he gave him the “who do you trust” ultimatum. Pence then called Flynn on the carpet and told him if I go down, you go down too, along with the whole Trump administration. Flynn took a bullet for the President and resigned as Pence had already leaked that there was an issue with Flynn and the Russian phone call. Pence is where the problem lies and the cover up.

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  5. outerlimitsfan says:

    I think people on our side need to be careful of making accusations. .Yes, it’s obvious that some want to see Trump destroyed, but if we start throwing accusations against everyone, including the Vice President, it can start to get ridiculous, and can be extremely damaging itself.

    Both Pence and Preibus were very helpful during the campaign, and Preibus often slammed other Republicans who broke their pledge of supporting the nominee. So I need to see much more before I start saying they are trying to destroy Trump and aren’t loyal.

    My point is, attacking those who may very well be loyal to the President can be extremely damaging as well.

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    • lawrencepaul1 says:

      Pence, Preibus and Spicer are GOPe. We know that. That is why they were chosen in the first place. Mr Trump wanted to win over the GOP and knew that he would need help with all of the GOPe ers the senate and congress. I have to believe that he is OK with them and Haley contradicting him and spewing their neocon BS. As I opined earlier I believe that the President is playing good cop bad cop. He will be the good guy when he is in talks with Putin.

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    • yy4u says:

      Agree. I was never a Priebus fan, and he did everything he could to thwart President Trump’s nomination, however, once Trump won, Priebus did the right thing and did everything he could to help win the election. My gut tells me he is a Republican first and sees an opportunity in 2018 for a Republican sweep IF President Trump delivers. There are a number of Dems up for reelection in states President Trump carried easily. Clair McKaskill (spell) of MO is always saying she’ll be challenged from the LEFT (trying to set herself up as the moderate). Don’t buy it. She (like McCain when he accepted President Trump’s endorsement) just wants to get back in the Senate for six years so she can do what she’s been doing for the Global/Establishment Party. She doesn’t want to live in MO; she’s a critter of the swamp and wants to stay there. Same with the others.

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      • readygo137 says:

        And what makes you think the SNAKES of the RINOGOPe, Uniparty like Priebus want the Senate to be controlled by the “R”. A lot easier to thwart TRUMP agenda and get him out in 2020 if the Snakes I mean Senate is ruled by the DEMS. Remember the Republican America Last Conservatives like being the minority party as long as it business as usual.

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    • Charlie says:

      Prediction, Flynn will move into a more productive position for POTUS. No FBI investigation, POTUS’ praise and “light” resignation. Flynn is a leader rather than political whore.

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  6. decisiontime16 says:

    Always amusing when a politician says one of our values is “rule of “law”.

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    • catluver99 says:

      Maybe I’m missing something. Is McCain more than an Arizona Senator? If not, why is he allowed to traipse around the world badmouthing our President and causing concern of our U.S. policies? Why is he traveling with Pres Trump’s admin? Who’s paying for his many flights to other nations? He acts like the U.S. Ambassador of the world. Can any Senator go on a world tour stirring up crap? Who let this putz off his leash?

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      • georgiafl says:

        EGG-zackly!

        Same with Egg McMullin and Lindsey Graham.

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        • singingsoul says:

          What strikes me on McCain that he never mentioned that the demise to the west he has helped to sow with his Syrian support of what is now ISIS.
          He failed to see that the West is slowly being lost not to Russia he still is fighting but to Muslims who will change Europe for ever. He lives in the past . I think his captivity has done much damage to his psyche

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      • Rick says:

        This bastard should have his passport revoked by the State Department for the negative comments he made about the new Administration on Foreign soil. Subvesive TRAITOR!

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      • TheseTruths says:

        “Is McCain more than an Arizona Senator?”
        McCain is chair of the Armed Services Committee.

        Wiki: “The Committee on Armed Services (sometimes abbreviated SASC for Senate Armed Services Committee on its Web site) is a committee of the United States Senate empowered with legislative oversight of the nation’s military, including the Department of Defense, military research and development, nuclear energy (as pertaining to national security), benefits for members of the military, the Selective Service System and other matters related to defense policy.”
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_Committee_on_Armed_Services

        McCain has been in Congress so long that seems to have authority and the media looks to him for comment (also because they know he’s a Neocon). It’s an argument for term limits.

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      • readygo137 says:

        The UNIPARTY has his expenses covered?

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    • pawatcher says:

      Can’t watch McCain, but I would equate Pence’s speech with Obama’s Cairo speech………

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    • singingsoul says:

      MCCain’s speech is troubling. He did not mention POTUS indirectly.

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  7. KBR says:

    Actually, I do believe that Pence (or his associates who keep him informed) reads here.

    The articleand responses should at least cause Pence some degree of alarm reading this today. Which is a good thing.

    He needs to absolutely convince us all of his utterly genuine support for POTUS and POTUS’s plans, actions, and policies.

    And he never again should choose, or even *appear to choose* his “old buddy” or “old buddies” over us/Trump.

    His loyalty must be clear to us; via clear, out loud, and steadfast loyalty to POTUS Trump.

    Which, as it turns out, is part of the job of being a good VP.

    And it should be clear as a bell, to Pence and associates, that an assassination will NOT put Pence/Ryan into automatic favor with Trump’s supporters. Their reign in that case (with some thinking him a Brutus)might be brutally short.

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    • TheseTruths says:

      “He needs to absolutely convince us all of his utterly genuine support for POTUS and POTUS’s plans, actions, and policies.”
      What has he done to make us think otherwise? I have seen nothing but support from Pence.

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      • Orygun says:

        He endorsed Ted Cruz for President. If he can be coerced into endorsing Cruz when he was a backer of Trump then what else is he capable of? He is another H W Bush but without the CIA ties.
        Flynn was on the Trump train way before Pence and it appears the wrong one has left. I am of the opinion that Trump knows he is in bed with a bunch of rattlesnakes and Flynn is still a loyalist but working under the radar. We will see.

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      • KBR says:

        You have seen nothing but support? Reread this thread’s comments.

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        • TheseTruths says:

          I think I have read most of them, and I see a lot of speculation and, really, no evidence of a lack of support from Pence since Pres. Trump chose him as VP.

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      • Daniel says:

        Yeah, support for neocon policy

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  8. MK Wood says:

    So which “sundance” wrote this. The style and wording is a bit off. Have not agreed with everything here, but for the most part I could accept it. This is too “conspiracy theory” -ish. It’s almost as if you don’t have your perfect scenarios everyone is suspect. That is paranoia and is very detrimental.

    Then reading a number of others here, all of a sudden it’s like, “I knew it all along. Fishy. Untrustworthy.” blah, blah, blah.

    The post makes claims without backing them up, then sets a date in stone of this needs fixed by then or all hell will break loose or some other tripe.

    Extremely disappointed with this.

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    • Marc says:

      Sundance did the same with Rudy Giuliani and most of the site rebuked him for questioning his ability to do the job sober but in the end, I think SD was proven correct as Rudy emerged after not getting the job looking much healthier. Maybe, just maybe, Sundance has insight into the administration that he can rely upon.

      What I do know is Paul Ryan LOVES Mike Pence and that has always worried me.

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    • Rick says:

      Excellent points. We should as well ask “Who is Sundance?” LOL! Reveal yourself. Ha!

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      • singingsoul says:

        No Sundance needs to stay Sundance and we do not need to know.

        Concerning Pence it is actions that speak louder than words with him. My focus will be his actions not his words.
        Trump has my solid support. Pence will never have it if he ever crosses POTUS.

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        • readygo137 says:

          Agree SD needs to keep being SD. He messes up a little but Very little. We don’t need to know who he is but just hope to hell he keeps doing what he is doing. You will not find any better insight anywhere than SD on the web and sure as hell not in the Media or pundits. Keep SD alive and going. JMO

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      • Best that Sundance stays anonymous. The things we have learned on this site could be very dangerous for him. Remember what happened to Andrew. Want to keep Sundance very safe.

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  9. gary says:

    Yeah, it’s hard to tell what is really going on, so we are speculating and trying to give our take on it.

    We all care that Trump will be able to carry out his Promises to us.

    So when we see Flynn taken out by Pence’s feud with Flynn , we are concerned. Trump looked at the illegally taped recordings and WH lawyers told him Flynn didn’t do anything illegal, and in fact was doing his job.

    Pence is in the middle of this incident. And we are concerned and yes we are speculating about it.

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    • fedback says:

      Fair point.
      However in Munich VP Pence represented his President in the best possible manner

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    • georgiafl says:

      The Flynn business may have been a sting operation against leakers and other malevolent operatives within the Government.

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      • singingsoul says:

        Pence goes to a football game meets up with Bush and Baker.
        He goes to Munich who travels with him McCain. He is friends with Ryan.
        I was taught that you know a person by his/her friends.
        Maybe all coincidence ?
        Did McCain travel with Pence on VP Plane..???? Why should he all he is a Senator from one out of 50 states in US.
        I think time will tell. Many prayers for POTUS.

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        • georgiafl says:

          VERY good questions. If you find the answers, please let us know.

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        • TheseTruths says:

          “I was taught that you know a person by his/her friends.”
          Generally true. This was an issue for Pres. Trump during the campaign. He invited the Clintons to his wedding. He reiterated that, as a business person, he has had to deal with people of all political persuasions. He has said that he’s been on the inside of raising money and having business ties and knows how it all works.

          I think Pence has been associated with and friends with a lot of people whom we wouldn’t trust. What politician hasn’t?

          My take has always been that if we use a litmus test to look for the perfect conservative person, we will fail. That’s what the NeverTrumpers did; no one was conservative enough except Ted Cruz (who wasn’t a true conservative, either, in my opinion). I have always trusted Pres. Trump’s judgment on people’s character, as well as his ability to lead them (those that are not snakes in the grass) to do the right thing and to show them how that is best.

          So when people start talking about Pence’s past relationships, we could also do that (and have done that) with Conway, Priebus, and others, including Pres. Trump. I have to believe that Pres. Trump knows these people are on board with Making America Great Again, not the progressive agenda. I expect him to fire anyone who is not, and I expect him to ask for Pence’s resignation if he is not on board. Further, I don’t think Pres. Trump is easily fooled, especially with advisers like Stephen Miller and Bannon on board.

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          • readygo137 says:

            BANNON and Miller the only two in the inner circle who has Trump back.

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            • TheseTruths says:

              You are entitled to your opinion, of course. I don’t know that there are only two in Pres. Trump’s inner circle who have his back. I’ve seen nothing to indicate that.

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            • Deb says:

              You sound paranoid.

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            • LEET says:

              Don’t forget Jeff Sessions. Extremely loyal and is of one mind with Trump on the most important issues (eg.
              Immigration and trade)has been a fighter for the American PEOPLE in the senate. Sessions was also the first to endorse Trump AND Miller worked for Sessions before he worked for Trump!

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          • JSBachLover says:

            Very good points. A few weeks ago people here were praising Pence and Trump ‘s judgment in choosing him. Now suddenly he’s a traitor? The fact is WE know nothing about what’s actually going on there. And oes Sundance? I agree with MKWood, above, about Sundance ‘s Pence comments. And what ‘s March 1? Very disappointing.

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        • Orygun says:

          I have always been disturbed by the way Pence endorsed Cruz. It will forever stick in my mind. That is not the workings of a man of conviction and if you can say anything about Trump supporters is that we are united in our convictions of a people’s government.

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  10. pawatcher says:

    This is a clear provocation toward Russia. The GOPe has made the move toward a war with Russia. And to promote Angela Merckel!
    Pence is a turncoat along with all the advisors Trump has appointed on his say so.
    Pence had to get rid of Flynn for this treacherous alliance with NATO to continue.
    I’m so mad I could spit, this is a VP gone wild, he needs to resign, or be fired. I’d like to wipe that smile off McCain’s face. And the Bush Cartel is doing cartwheels.
    Strength of Our military is one thing, antagonizing for the advent of war is another. The Middle East will be set alight again.

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    • singingsoul says:

      pawatcher
      I have my issues with Russia but believed that President Trump was moving into the right direction towards peace with Russia and take out the lumps. I did not hear anything from Pence that reassured me.
      I was appalled that he embraced Merkel who is committing genocide in Germany.

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      • Orygun says:

        We the People back the people of Germany who are suffering greatly from the actions of Merkel. What a disconnect to show support for Merkel when our President is working to remove us from the same refugee induced self genocide.
        Backing Merkel is disgraceful.
        I cannot believe that Trump in his heart would back Merkel. Ever!

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    • paper doll says:

      I haven’t seen Merckel smile that much in months

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    • Jake says:

      Besides this G20 summit, there was another meeting that took place a day ago in Kazakhstan that was very positive, I believe. It was between a US General and his Russian counterpart in the Syrian theatre. I forget this General’s name, but he had been trying to get Def Secy Ash Carter to allow direct talks at the General level with the Russians, so they could agree on rules of engagement and other matters in Syria. Obama and Ash Carter would only allow contact at the Colonel level.

      It seems that President Trump is listening to the advice of his Generals. After this meeting took place, the General announced that the US and Russian military will have meetings at the two star General level in the future. This hopefully will allow tensions to cool and set up a level of communication that will allow more cooperation.

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  11. happy2h says:

    ILL- ….. Remember the Chief! Love it.

    Though my beloved city and state may be irreparably damaged by morally corrupt gangsters, it’s incredibly heartening to see Illinois represented by so many wonderful patriots. After all, we are the Land of Lincoln.

    I trust Sundance infinitely more than I will ever trust Pence… and I haven’t met Sundance.
    For those in disbelief, please research the Reagan/Bush dynamic. One strived to make America great and the world a safer place.
    The other; ushered in the last 30 years of death, destruction and moral decay. Fortunately, Pence is more lamb than lion.

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  12. Russ B. says:

    Sen. McCain felt comfortable in trashing President Trump right there in the presence of Vice-President Pence. That I find striking. Is it possible that Pence did not know the gist of what McCain’s presentation would be? Did Pence say anything to directly counter points made by McCain? It seems to me like John McCain is on his own apology tour–trashing the President, not the country as BHO did. How could Pence not have known the blistering attack McCain was about to unleash? I want to believe in Pence; I believe–without proof–that he was primarily responsible for General Flynn’s firing. Yes, Flynn skirted the truth, apparently–but a decision had to be made what to do with him, and I contend that things never would have been the same between Trump and Pence had Flynn been given a second chance, of sorts. I want to believe in Pence’s loyalty, I truly do. But I wish he would have stood up to McCain somehow. I will close by saying this: If the border wall decision was Pence’s to make–the wall would not be built.

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    • yy4u says:

      Here’s my take on McCain — he’s always been a little unhinged. Understandable because of what he went through in Vietnam. Now he’s getting senile.

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      • Chillin says:

        A lot of people were damaged/affected by Vietnam. They did not all cash in on it as McCain did. In Washington D.C. It used to be that there were always homeless Vietnam vets begging on the streets. What did McCain ever do for them? The very worst VA hospital is in Arizona. What has he done about that? He has gotten by on his war record for ever, I think it is time he was judged on his senate record.

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      • Old Codger says:

        What McCain “went through” in Viet Nam, was betrayal of his fellow POW’s and his country! His audio tapes, the ones he made on behalf of the North Viet communists, have been released and he is now exposed as the traitor he is.

        Remember: McC graduated near dead last in his class at the USNA and was still given a billet in USN Flight school, thanks to daddy being an admiral. Then, he crashed two planes in training, yet still was allowed to finish, when a single crash wiped out others! Later, he crashed four other jets and likely caused his own shoot -down due to his deficiencies as a pilot. His injuries were caused by his own stupidity during ejection, not by the his captors! Too, he was treated very favorably by his captors once they learned his daddy was an admiral.

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    • singingsoul says:

      Russ B.
      After McCain’s performance I would let him walk home if he traveled on the VP plane to Germany.

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    • LKA in LA says:

      Exactly Russ. McCain trashed our President and Pence did nothing.

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    • majorstar says:

      Let me tell you, having McCain trashing Trump in the very presence of his VP with no rebuke also makes Trump look weak. Trump cannot permit this kind of gross insubordination and maintain the respect he needs to lead the country.

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  13. Plain Jane says:

    Pence “grew up” politically in the school of Richard Lugar. Remember him? Pray God opens his eyes.

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  14. I just reread this post after a couple hours of reflection.

    Keep your eyes open this weekend for pings and signals. The rally this evening is must-see. Remember that Monday is the Wasington’s Birthday/President’s Day holiday.

    And, consider the possibility that Sundance’s post is itself a ping.

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  15. RedBallExpress says:

    It will be Trump’s turn in a few hours. Someone will be walking the plank.

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  16. In AZ says:

    President Trump has said that he is too trusting.

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  17. Rick says:

    This is the war we are waging:

    Ephesians 6: 10-20 KJV

    10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might.
    11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
    12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high [places].
    13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
    14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;
    15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;
    16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.
    17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:
    18 Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;
    19 And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel,
    20 For which I am an ambassador in bonds: that therein I may speak boldly, as I ought to speak.

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  18. SamSteel says:

    Pence.

    Know those around you.

    Use what they bring to the table, even if it seems to be antithetical to your positions.

    Even the enemy can be used to defeat the enemy.

    All tools are available for use.

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  19. BAM says:

    I’ve been looking at all the comments here and from the other day when Mulvaney was sworn in. There were several comments concerning the hand wringing – ring twisting of VP Pence. He’s had a lot of practice handling his face so his body language is telling. He also appears to wear his faith on his sleeve. I’m wondering if in the past he had an indiscretion that he regrets and that it has been used to “influence” him. If he is the type of Christian that has more belief in works or the appearance of propriety than in Christ and the blood He shed for us, he could be manipulated. But now if President Trump knows this and Flynn brought this out in an improper way, VP Pence would find himself between a rock and a hard place. Pres. Trump would have some difficult options and decisions to consider. Pence DID deliver our President’s message to the conference.
    Whatever it is, it surely is a tangle.

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    • SharonKinDC says:

      Yeah… Hand wringing=anxiety. Twisting wedding ring usually=fidelity anxiety. (Or a rash under a sweaty ring…)

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    • Bull Durham says:

      He delivered a message from the neocons.
      Trump delivered nothing to Munich.
      Pence posed with Poroshenko, killer of tens of thousands of civilians and his own loyalists while stealing billions of loans, grants, budgeted revenues that should be pay, pensions and welfare for his nation.
      Russia is building the case for war crimes prosecution on this warmonger and ethnic cleanser of Kiev.
      Pence warmly poses with him.
      Trump wouldn’t let him in the Tower or the WH. Barely had a phone call with him.
      Spoke to Yulia Tymoshenko outside a bathroom when she came to pose with the President. No picture has surfaced of their private one-minute meeting. She is next in line after Porky. (She wants to nuke 8 million Russians in Ukraine/Russia, to quote America’s next darling Kiev monster.)

      We haven’t seen this sort of garbage close to a WH is some time.
      Reagan and the madmen of Guatemala, Efrain Rios Montt, Fernando Lucas Garcia, two of the most genocidal of America’s preferred Presidentes, come to mind.

      As for his phrase: We will hold Russia accountable . . . just how will what be the accounting?

      Seems to me that the US has mounted all its forces right at Russia’s borders in the Baltic, Ukraine, Black Sea. Now what accounting will we impose?

      Flight time of those Satan II ICBM’s that will end the human race as a species and leave the planet with red ants and cockroaches only as the last living creatures, is like 20 minutes.

      Don’t we have a better plan than Jonestown for all?

      I much prefer Trump go to Iceland, or Slovenia or Finland and sit with Vlad for 3-4 hours, eat some food, talk for a few more hours, walk around the place and contemplate a road to Detente instead of a fast-track to the end of the world.

      These are two Christian-influenced civilizations that need to work together to kill off radical Islamic terror, put NK’s nukes in cold storage, make certain Iran can think of path into the future that does not include nukes, and build a multi-polar world that is based on the Christina principles of both America and Russia. Seems like the thing to do, not rattle swords.

      Russia isn’t Yugoslavia or Libya. It’s not going to ever knell to anyone again.
      Accountable? Stop poking the Bear. Trump is a great listener. He has not been allowed to listen to Putin.

      Nothing is more urgent than Putin and Trump getting to know one another and exchange concerns and seek solutions.

      Trump should invite him to Camp David right away. Put an end to the Neo-Con, Deep State momentum. A brief, casual face to face that would settle everything down. Then arrange “talks” on issues in a neutral city with proper preparation for long talks.

      And meanwhile, phone one another frequently.
      A new encryption can be provided for such talks that would be impossible to break in a timely fashion by NSA.

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      • Bull Durham says:

        Pardon my typos in the above. I’m pissed. It’s time for common sense.

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      • Sentient says:

        Agree with everything except the Camp David part. There’s no way it – like the White House – isn’t lousy with bugs. The encrypted phone is a great idea, but if the room you’re in is bugged…. Trump could take his encrypted phone out to some field in Virginia, but the CIA would leak to the Washington Post, that “sources say” and “assessments have been made” that Trump is going to great lengths to make secret contact with Putin. Complicated business, folks.

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    • justfactsplz says:

      It was me that mentioned Vice President Pence was fiddling with his ring and fingers in that video. His body language just jumped out at me and I had not noticed that before. He appeared to be very nervous or edgy about something. It was after Flynn resigned. I am glad Sundance made this post because I had a few posters agree but mostly felt like the Lone Ranger there. I just smell GOPe all over this and this speech does not make me feel more reassured. Pence wasn’t on board the Trump Train until he was being considered for VP.

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    • Old Codger says:

      In contemplating the chess board, ALWAYS remember Pence’s position as VP.

      Anything happens to POTUS Trump, then Pence becomes POTUS himself……chilling thought!

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  20. LULU says:

    Has anyone here who doubts Vice President Pence written to him to express those doubts? If you voted for President Trump you voted for Vice President Pence. You have a right, the power of the pen, to express any concerns you have about him and/or his actions (or failure to act). That might be the best kind of “intervention”.

    Meanwhile I believe we have a greater concern here:

    Ryan Works With Pelosi & Schumer To Stall Trump Economic Recovery

    http://dcwhispers.com/ryan-works-pelosi-schumer-stall-trump-economic-recovery/

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  21. James W Crawford says:

    I hope that President Trump has something on Vice President Pence that can compel him to resign.

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  22. Rob says:

    “In the past 10 days the tentacles of the GOPe have reached out to pull Pence back into the familiar fold. Unfortunately Vice-President Pence has willingly embraced the traditional GOPe elements the Trump movement has long rebuked. As such his loyalty to the administration’s objectives is now in question.”
    —-
    Thank you, thank you, thank you for pointing this out!

    I would even go a step further, and say that his loyalty to President Trump is also in question.

    And btw, if you ever want to be called a “troll” so fast it’ll make your head spin, go over to a certain website whose colloquial abbreviation is “BB”, and try pointing out that there are “problematic aspects” with Pence’s role in the dismissal of Flynn.

    I trust President Trump. I trust no one else.

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  23. Paco Loco says:

    This intrigue is about national security not the budget being produced March 1. There’s something afoot. The opening up of the puzzle palace secrets to all 16 intelligence agencies in December let the cat out of the bag. It was done by Obama to create #nevertrump blow back and sow the seeds of mistrust of the Trump presidency. We know that there are traitors infiltrated through out the government, that’s what drawing the swamp is all about. DC’s game is all about stealing money, maintaining political control and keeping power from the people. Trumps Presidency is a direct confrontation to the DC game and the PTB will fight our change agent that we elected with everything they have….and that’s what they are doing.

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  24. Something needs to be done about McCain. The Constitution is quite clear the foreign policy is the responsibility of the President. McCain is actively thwarting Presidential policy.

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  25. gary says:

    This is not like other elections , because usually it was one party against the other party. But this time around neither party backed Trump, it was the American People that voted Trump in. So, the people Trump is dealing with are people that don’t like Trump ….. 94 percent of the people in Washington DID NOT vote for Trump. Only 4 percent did.

    Trump’s supporters don’t live in DC, but in the Heart and SOUL of this country. Only the vipers and snakes live in DC for the most part. 🙂

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  26. Tee says:

    If Russia "hacked" the election what the hell are we paying the CIA, NSA & FBI $62bn a year for?(The emails were LEAKED)#medialiesagain pic.twitter.com/JLTEerkdd4— Ian56 (@Ian56789) February 17, 2017

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  27. Mickey Wasp says:

    Listened to VP Pence speech twice. He gives me no comfort that war will not be declared, even if done clandestinely, in Ukraine, Syria or Iran and keeping with the ‘deep state’ military actions in North Africa. One caveat, possibly his speech was approved by President Trump for the sole purpose of ‘leveraging’ Russia and Iran to gain economic value of the re-building of and investing in the Middle East. (jobs, jobs, jobs).

    What was more striking to me is that the semantics and ‘coded’ words that VP Pence used, seems to me, that the speech was written by and for the Likud party and political stranglehold by Israeli NGO’s (think tanks) and their proselytes in the US Gov’t of various entities linked to Netanyahu and his vision of the ‘Greater Israel’ coalition. Also, most telling, was the lack luster applause that Pence received from the audience and even no applause from some of the attendee’s.

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    • TheseTruths says:

      “Also, most telling, was the lack luster applause that Pence received from the audience and even no applause from some of the attendee’s.”
      Lackluster applause was because Pence was saying their countries need to step up and contribute their share to NATO. He said the U.S. has been doing this, and they need to uphold their responsibilities. He said everyone needs to fight Islamic terrorism. And you wonder why they weren’t enthusiastic?

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      • Mickey Wasp says:

        Okay … I’ll give you that – that was one applause line. Now what about the dozens of all the others?

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        • TheseTruths says:

          No, that wasn’t an applause line. It was a series of statements from Pence outlining this administration’s position on NATO.

          You’ll have to be more specific about the “dozens of others.” Please state what semantics and code words you’re talking about.

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          • Mickey Wasp says:

            I don’t suffer fools, or ones attempting the ‘flip-script’ of fools. It is easy to spot trolls for the pro-Israel agenda. My only question is – Which trollhouse are you from, the Haifa Housewives Club or the Cyber Army of Israel?

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    • Orygun says:

      The German people were expecting some support in their fight to retain their culture and nation. They found little to cheer about.

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      • Deb says:

        But he wasn’t there to speak to the German people. He was there to speak to world leaders about the future of NATO and our current challenges.

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      • singingsoul says:

        Orygun “The German people were expecting some support in their fight to retain their culture and nation. They found little to cheer about.”

        After WWII Germans have made dependent on the US intentional or not. Many people feel helpless and look for US leadership to help again to rid them of what is happening in Germany. I feel for my German culture and am sad for future generations.
        Having said this it is time for Germany to cut their umbilical cord from the US and begin to take responsibility. Germany chose a known communist as their Chancellor. Germany needs to vote her out and take back the German culture otherwise it is going to be lost.
        This is in German hands not to sit buy ideally until it is to late like Germans did with Hitler or acceptation of Russia.
        Germany chose the European Union.
        What I heart from MCCain was that 53 years ago someone thought it to be great to leave your culture and borders for freedom. How wrong McCain is because those who come do not share his fantasy they came to dominate the exsisting culture. How stupid.

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    • “seems to me, that the speech was written by and for the Likud party and political stranglehold by Israeli NGO’s (think tanks) and their proselytes in the US Gov’t of various entities linked to Netanyahu and his vision of the ‘Greater Israel’ coalition”

      BINGO!

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  28. quintrillion says:

    Is Pence loyalty to the people or the globalists?

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  29. feralcatsblog says:

    Some here are worrying so much, and about so many things, they will wrack themselves to pieces.

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  30. I listened to VP Pence’s speech. Noticing how the audience was tepid in their response, it appears to me the VP did a very good job of conveying Pres. Trump’s message of America First.
    Telling Europe that it is high time they paid their fair share as members of NATO and that the USA will continue to have their backs, is not a bad thing.
    Stating the facts of Russia and yet wanting to have a good working relationship on the matters we can agree is also a good thing.
    So, the bottom line to me is: What did VP Pence do that is so telling that he has now embraced the globalists GOP and UniParty?
    If we are all reading and discussing these issues and ideas; is there anyone here who truly believes Pres. Trump has not or is not doing the same?
    I look forward to Pres. Trump’s rally and speech today, because every time he opens his mouth, there is a message to be heard and a lesson to be learned.

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  31. SharonKinDC says:

    OK.. It’s a boring speech and too long. However, I do think he did ok. It’s a politician’s speech. He spent quite a bit of time underscoring the pay up message. From POTUS, ‘the time has come to do more’. I think the only people who clapped were the US delegation, judging by the anemic applause. Also,the ‘hold Russia accountable (de escalation in Eastern Ukraine, no mention of Crimea)’ was paired w/ ‘at the same time seeking common ground’ as per POTUS. Also discussed POTUS’ vision of NATO stepping up on counterterrorism.

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  32. The fact that Pence would open his speech by warmly acknowledging John McCain who hours earlier attacked President Trump on foreign soil tells us everything we need to know about Pence. He is a SNAKE! I wonder if President Trump saw this speech and if so what was he thinking hearing Pence – in his PHONY manner of speaking – saluting President Trump’s biggest enemy within the GOPe?

    After this blatant display of disloyalty by Pence towards his boss I have no doubt that his office is the source of some of the leaks damaging to President Trump.

    It should be clear that Pence is trying to hi-jack the Presidency in the same way that Dick Cheney hi-jacked the George W Bush Presidency. Hopefully his children can intercede but lets not forget that it was Ivanka and Jared Kushner who lobbied the President to select Pence as his running mate in the first place.

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  33. Bull Durham says:

    As for Trump’s rally today, I’m not certain he will tip off any “moves”.
    I think he will rather underline that he will never let us down, that he will give them hell, that more and better is coming, and he understands what enemies are trying to do.

    But, whatever he lays out, he’s there to tour his “forces” like an General does.
    Miller and Bannon will get some input. Watch if there’s teleprompters. If there are, then some content will be formally presented. If he just free-wheels, like the early days, he’ll mostly attack.

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    • singingsoul says:

      Trump will keep coming back to the people for support because he does not get it in DC.
      He will show and remind his opponents who put him into office and they better get with the program. My wishful thinking

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  34. bigsy says:

    All Pence has to do is appear measured and direct. Germans have seen General Mattis vs Van der Leyen, and now will see a tactful Pence vs a staggering Merkel. They will know they are outmatched.

    This is good cop / bad cop.

    Germans digest information in a ‘white paper’ type of style. They use words very literally. Pence just has to meld into that style to create doubts about the ‘Trump is crazy’ image they try to push in Germany.

    Pence, also, by matter of factly acknowledging McCain, defuses McCain’s entire Spiel. Pence shows it just politics as usual by McCain, and is nothing to be concerned about.

    When president Trump speaks, he paints a picture, words are the strokes of a brush, and not literal. Germans don’t understand that, nor could they ever translate a Trump speech accurately because trump uses too many historical and sports’ analogies that Germans would never know about.

    If say, a German reporter covered a trump speech and decided to record it to translate at home later. It wouldn’t work. Nor would a German speaker, with even better than average English, accurately relay the import of a Trump speech by trying to translate/interpret it in progress. It is very difficult to translate on the fly, since much information is lost in the time it takes to think of the best fit translation for a specific word. You have to think in the language of the speech in order to understand it’s nuances.

    It is for this reason, I think, that the Germans badly misread the mood of the US electorate. They dropped the ball, badly, and in my estimation, have no plan to adequately recover. They are continuing to double down on insults. Look at Van der Leyens speech the other day. Baseless bluster from an ‘defense minister’ trying to act like she’s at the same level as a General Mattis.

    IMO, German industry knows that Merkel guessed wrong, feel she has no plan to get back on track, and aware they are about to get a big league schlonging when Trump’s boys show up.

    Merkel will be shoehorned out, because IMHO, Trump is correct, she made a catastrophic error. Those words are the kiss of death for Merkel.

    Just my take

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  35. tim glave says:

    Flynn might be out of the job but don’t think for a moment that he is not still advising President Trump on the cesspool that is the intelligence community. He still knows where the bodies are buried. He will be advising the president sub rosa.

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  36. kaste668 says:

    I truly believe that President Trump is God’s pick. With that, I will trust in his judgment. If he feels Pence is not true in heart, he can bench him and keep him pretty inactive. President Trump may be trusting but he is no fool, I am sure he has dealt with covert operatives in his business world and knows how to ferret them out. I will continue to pray daily for God to encircle President Trump with his protection against all the evil doers. If Pence is a false believer, God will show us.

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  37. jefcool64 says:

    I’m not concerned.

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  38. LONER says:

    Welp. Just finished reading this whole thread. This is the second time this week that I read a thread and concluded that the negativity was so pervasive I could not separate the trolls from everyone else. Started with the 9th’s TRO. Everyone was euphoric before then. We either have had some really superior trolls lately or our branches may have welcomed not a few sunshine patriots.

    I don’t care. Donald Trump is a miracle. He’s been president for a measly month for goodness sake. After declaring him to be a very, very smart, well prepared candidate, he suddenly is being portrayed as an isolated, misinformed victim, blind to what is going on and headed to some sort of destructive end.

    I have faith in him. I absolutely believe he is in control and far ahead of the enemy in all ways. So ya’ll stress yourselves out all you want. I’m going to be watching the rally on RSBN (they are the definition of loyalty) and drink some of my homemade dark beer in the company of some like minded friends who only stress when we are actually getting shot at:-). Hope the comments in the rally thread are more positive.

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  39. teaforall says:

    I was disappointed when Pence gave a shout out to McCain who spoke negative about the Trump administration in a foreign country . McCain needs to be put in his place and told to STFU

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    • TheseTruths says:

      “McCain needs to be put in his place and told to STFU”
      In front of an international audience? Is that the America we want to show the world? There’s a time and a place for everything.

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    • benifranlkin says:

      Trump is ignoring him by design…as if he doesn’t matter and doesn’t set policy because he doesn’t. McCain will keep turning it up until he toasts himself and has to retreat. won’t be long now

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  40. kaste668 says:

    Pence was the better man for not saying anything negative about McCain in front of this crowd. McCain should be rebuked in private. Like family, you should not air your dirty laundry in public.

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  41. sagatel says:

    McCswine and Linda Grey are the new hero’s of Liberal Left….They are war criminals, they organized mayhem in Syria and Libya, they armed terrorists, they have ties to ISIS and now they are openly threatening our President and sabotaging his Presidency.

    Either karma will get them and they will pay the full price for their evil deeds or I hope Mr. Trump is just biding his time for it will be a double pleasure to deceive the deceiver….

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  42. Libertyvibe says:

    Pence proved he was batting for the other team during the debate with Kaine. He agreed with the neocon stance on Russia. This spoke volumes about his character, on so many levels. For whatever reason, he is feeling more confident to be more open about his betrayal of Trump and our agenda. If the Spidey Sense is right, do you realize what this means? It means, he is openly in on a “take down of Trump” plan. By coming out boldly, it means he feels his time is near. I know, I know…lets hope its not true. But do we have time to be naïve?

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  43. Bull Durham says:

    Total Nazi Triumph!
    Pence volunteers for Swastika tattoo on his forehead.
    Lauds “reforms”, such as nighttime torch marches, assassinations and brutalized journalists.

    https://sputniknews.com/politics/201702181050829884-pence-poroshenko-donbass/

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    • LP says:

      Your comment is worthy of a demonrat. Keep it up.

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      • Bull Durham says:

        If you would see who Poroshenko is and what he has done, you’d understand.
        Keep your head buried in fantasyland.

        Ukraine is a sick nation with very sick people running it.
        Pence should have stayed ten miles away from this character.

        If you think you have an argument to make, make it.

        America does not need to support nazis. And Ukraine’s government is pure nazi. Top to bottom, a criminal government that deserves the gallows.

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        • Bull Durham says:

          Here: View the videos from this attack on civilians and tell me you want America to back this regime in Kiev.

          I dare you to sit and watch it all the way through.
          The woman begging for a telephone, dying, her body blown apart in her lower half wanted to talk to her daughter.

          Tell me the US should finance more of this.

          http://www.pravdareport.com/news/world/ussr/03-06-2014/127718-Luhansk-0/#.U41LzVyGMqQ

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          • LP says:

            The only head that is buried is yours up Putin’s bahookie. Hope you enjoy the view. Do you get paid 50 cents for these dissembling anti-American posts? I have never made a comment that the US should be meddling in Ukraine affairs. Typical strawman comment and deflection with the weepy bits. Just try and give some weepy bits to the other side.

            Naw, you are just a tool. Too much evidence on the other side and none on yours.

            Russian propaganda is not my cup of tea. Ask Montenagro.
            Watch out. Those ‘Kharzarians’ are under your crib.

            I’m having a laugh.

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            • Bull Durham says:

              You watched the videos and laughed.
              Says it all, LP.
              Sig Heil in the mirror and don’t characterize me with your fascistic crap.
              Pointing out the evil of American government is pro-America.
              President Trump said it: “There are a lot of killers. We’ve got a lot of killers. What do you think? Our country’s so innocent?”

              Send him an email and tell him he’s anti-American.

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              • Incidental Visitor says:

                “Keep your head buried in fantasyland….If you think you have an argument to make, make it.”
                Sounds convincing, coming from a tireless crusader on Putin’s behalf. You want everyone to believe that Putin’s Russia epitomizes Lisa Frank’s world of glitter, rainbows, butterflies, and unicorns – and Ukraine is Devil’s Child, no less. Nothing to see here, move along…

                “You watched the videos and laughed.” There is nothing in LP’s comment indicating that he laughed at the video.

                You keep praising President Trump and call his top people – Tillerson, Bannon, Pence, Flynn – anti-Russian and Nazi supporters. On the other hand, not a iota of critical thinking about Putin and his policies. Inquisitive minds want to know whether you drink too much birch juice.

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  44. kltk1 says:

    I don’t disagree with Sundance’s concern about VP Pence. In fairness to the VP, he’s walking a tightrope trying to keep both sides comfortable. I don’t like his associations with the GOPe, however, he’s never been a strong GOPe insider and was very much a part of the Gingrich revolution. Not a group widely regarded as friendly with the GOPe. I have my concerns about the VP and the release of General Flynn and hope the replacement is every bit the outsider General Flynn was. McCain, Graham, McConell and Ryan need to be opposed at every turn possible and, if for no other reason, this pick needs to be an outsider so as not to allow the entrenched GOPe warmongers to think they can oust every person POTUS picks until they get someone they think they can control. I have a lot of confidence the President is well aware of this.

    All that said, after watching that speech, I feel relatively comfortable Pence is onboard the Tump Train. He carried the President’s message loud and clear and nearly word for word. I especially appreciate him taking it to Europe’s face they need to pony up their 2% or risk damaging the very foundation of NATO. No longer can, nor should, the United States carry the water for the world. We’re a rich nation but that doesn’t mean we should be responsible for carrying everyone else’s water. It can’t work like that anymore, there are a lot of American people out of work, a lot of schools, hospitals, roads and buildings crumbling. We’re $19 Trillion Dollars in debt, owe Social Security $2.3 Trillion dollars and on and on. POTUS has been right all along, it’s time to put the United States of America first for a while. When we get our ship right then we can start helping out others again.

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  45. Daniel says:

    Dude loves Israel and hates Russia a little too much. He was too eager in the debates to spout neocon talking points that are demonstrably false. This Christian first business he spouts is creepy.

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  46. jeans2nd says:

    Pence’s job is to reason with the GOPe and show them why they (the GOPe) need to get on board with the Trump Plan. Is Pence succeeding? Not yet, imo. Call in the kids.

    In Europe, Pence is saying Guys, we’ve always had your back, and you not only did not pay your share, your credit card has been cancelled. NATO is being repurposed to fight ISIS, not fight Russia. Get on board or bye bye.

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  47. albrevin says:

    My take, for what it’s worth…. LOL….

    IMO, Flynn was in over his head as the lead spokesperson for National Intelligence. Noticed his statement on Iran after their missile test… ‘you are officially on notice’. It was weird. What did it mean? Mattis went our a day later and walked it back. It didn’t sound like Trump either. Sounded too much like the Obama red-line comment where he boxed himself in and ended up looking silly. I don’t think Flynn’s PC on Iran was well-received by any in the White House. I think that is when Trump/Pence lost some confidence. Guarantee they knew about whatever Flynn said to the Russians before that.

    An observation is that Pence is managing foreign policy right now and Trump domestic. Trump may even feel this is necessary at the moment and is leaning heavily on Mattis/Pence et al. Trump still publicly saying his thoughts about foreign-relations etc but the actual policies are somewhat status-quo… thus Pence.

    Not a big fan of Pence either but his role is controlled and specific right now. While he is the liaison to the GOPe, he also needs to stand up to them. I will be watching to see if he (Pence) starts to publicly put the hammer down on the John McCains of the world. Pence is the one to shut McCain up and he needs to do it in front of the US media. If Pence wants to show he’s got POTUS back and demonstrate his mettle, then a complete put-down of McCain is in order. If Pence continues to let the pot-shots come in like this then, I agree….. I’d assign him to funerals and ribbon cuttings only.

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  48. Radiopatriot says:

    From George Webb’s Truthleaks Twitter page:

    Rumors Flynn Transcripts include selling of 20% of US Uranium to Russia through Frank Giustra and the Clinton Foundation.
    https://twitter.com/GeorgWebb/

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  49. Radiopatriot says:

    TruthLeaks ‏@GeorgWebb Feb 17

    It’s your own people McCabe. You odered Flynn’s wiretap. Why come after me? Just reporting the facts.

    Sent to realDonaldTrump and wikileaks

    Andrew McCabe is a top dog at the FBI. He and Comey are as dirty and corrupt as the rest of the Hillary team. They ARE part of the Hillary team.

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  50. European resistance says:

    The firering of Flynn is about something else. If Pence would be a loyal trumper and not a globalist, he would not mind what Flynn had done, because it would be his agenda too. If Flynn would have spoken to saudi arabia, turkey ore an other globalist darling country, nobody (inkl. Pence) would not have given a f’***.

    Lets have a look at the big picture. Flynn ist a pro russian figure. For the globalists its absolutly vital to keep russia as a boogyman. You only need NATO (the miltitary backbone of globalisation) if you have russia as an enemy. Nato was build to shield against russia and NATO was nearly dead in 1989. For the fight against Islamic terrorism you do not need NATO with all those tanks, nukes and foot soldiers. Today 1000 tanks are brought by train Poland, because the polak is afraid of putin. But thats all halucinations and paranoia. Maybe putin will take the whole ukriane as max. But have you been there? The european union doesn’t even want this country. They are a total mess and honestly bettter off under russian rule.

    Nobody needs NATO anymore. You need a good border protection, a good national intelligence agency and prevent ISIS et al from getting nukes – that can be done by sabotage. Do a defence deal with iIsrael, otherwise let the middle east rott in their own s****. Give the saved money to the american taxpayer.
    Pardon my english, I am and sit here in good old europe (west).

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