United States National Intelligence Oversight – The “Gang of Eight”…

Checks and Balances…

One of the least understood aspects of congressional oversight is the elite group of elected politicians who are charged with congressional oversight over all intelligence activity. This highly important oversight group is called the Intelligence “Gang of Eight”.

The Gang of Eight are briefed on every covert operation that our various intelligence agencies carry out. They are directly responsible for oversight of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), the National Security Agency (NSA) and the Office of the Director of National Intelligence (ODNI).

The Go8 are responsible for overseeing all executive office policy as it relates to intelligence gathering and corresponding activity.  In short these eight elected representatives are in charge of all oversight of all U.S. intelligence operations, open and covert.  The incoming 2017 Gang of Eight is:

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A position within the Gang of Eight comes as a result of holding one of the following eight positions: 1. The Speaker of the House, 2. The Minority Leader of the House, 3. the Majority Leader of the Senate, 4. the Minority Leader of the Senate, 5. the Chairperson of the House Permanent Committee on Intelligence, 6. the minority leader from the same committee; 7. The Chairperson of the Senate Intelligence Committee and 8. the minority leader of the same committee.

It is important to understand that everything the White House, CIA, NSA, and U.S State Department does is approved by these eight members who are accountable to the U.S. electorate.  These eight representatives are the intelligence oversight “check” within the constitutionally established check and balance inside our federal government.

It is also important to understand that nothing ever happens without these eight members of congress being briefed on the occurrence.  If the United States are carrying out a covert CIA mission in Benghazi, these representative would know about and have approved.  If the United States is carrying out a covert CIA effort in Syria, these eight members would have to approve.

If President Obama or President Trump sign a “Presidential Finding Memo” granting the CIA authority to begin formulating a strategy or covert mission, these eight people hold the oversight responsibility to ensure the constitutional and legislative laws -which would govern any executive action- are followed.

♦ There are only three Gang of Eight members remaining from the time of the September 11th 2012 Benghazi attack in Libya (Pelosi, McConnell and Feinstein).

♦Five of the 2012 Gang of Eight members have resigned or retired from Congress (John Boehner -R, Mike Rogers -R, Harry Reid – D, Charles Ruppersberger -D,  and Saxby Chambliss – R).   This is not accidental.

If there is a U.S. policy that blows up into controversy, and is directly attached to the intelligence community, the Gang of Eight is just as culpable as the administration and intelligence agency itself.

This specific construct puts the most powerful Democrats and most powerful Republicans on the same hook as the administration and agency.  In the modern UniParty era, this construct also means neither party has any objective toward truthfulness.  Both parties are at risk.

This UniParty construct is why we knew the House Select Committee on Benghazi was never going to go anywhere.   John Boehner, Mitch McConnell, Mike Rogers and Saxby Chambliss were just as responsible as President Obama, Secretary Clinton and CIA Director Leon Panetta.

When you consider all of President Obama’s foreign policy failures, it is critical to remind yourself of the Republican’s who held oversight on every CIA endeavor.

Never forget this undisclosed motive to advance cover-ups.

It is also never discussed in the media.

My spidey senses are telling me that understanding these facts, and understanding the construct of this oversight, will be an important reference point for all Americans in the very near future.

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481 Responses to United States National Intelligence Oversight – The “Gang of Eight”…

  1. FLOTUS Melania #1 Fan says:

    Gang of 8? President Trump has a message for gang members:

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      • Libertyvibe says:

        It is obvious what is going on…but who holds them accountable? I mean technically speaking. HOW DO WE GET RID OF THEM?

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        • AFVet says:

          Vote them out of office.
          It just became easier to watch them thanks to Sundance.

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          • Libertyvibe says:

            If I read that right, it sounded like they have oversight authority over POTUS? Voting them out is not good enough. Desperate times we are in. They will need to be drained from the swamp quickly. This can only happen if they have skeletons in their closets. I wonder what chances there are of that?

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          • Contrarymary says:

            Good luck getting rid of pelosi and Feinstein in California. The communists in California have taken over. They have control of the legislature, the schools, the courts, the public unions and, most important, the voting and counts of the votes which includes massive amount of fraud. Diane feinsteins husband gets millions of dollars in govt contracts. San Fran, sandiego and Los Angeles control the whole state. We need trumps admin to help us drain this swamp. Please help with war. Remember, as they say, as goes California, so goes the rest of the country.

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            • AFVet says:

              “Remember, as they say, as goes California, so goes the rest of the country.”
              Understood Mary, but California didn’t control the last election. Maybe times are changing for the good.
              Far too many people are ignorant as to what is going on in Washington.
              It will take something as drastic as term limits to rid the congress of the Feinsteins and the McCains that have ensconced themselves for far too long.
              Perhaps redistricting should happen more frequently than it does.
              I can’t see congress eager to do either very soon.

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              • 2zymos says:

                it will not be contained in “system” or peaceful systems.
                Our heritage in Dec of Ind, possession of arms, legality of MILITIA…
                “These are the times that try men’s souls…”

                The will and ACTIONS of an armed populace will be necessary and operative before we get out of “this”.

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              • Contrarymary says:

                Think about it, tho, vet, people go through our school systems and are radicalized. They move to your states. We have massive voter fraud here including illegal aliens from 3rd world tyrannnies. The elected officials go to Washington and vote on national laws that affect every state. This is why the pelosi, feinsteins, boxers and now the radical Kamala Harris become so powerful, for decades, in Washington. They could run over their mothers in the streets and still be reelected. They’re not afraid of the voters. The nation has a vested interest in the states that go rogue and depraved. The ultimate question is “can 51% of the electorate vote away your constitutional rights”? This is what has happened in California. The trump admin needs to help us go to war against California.

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          • dalethorn says:

            Unfortunately, the votes that put the gang of 8 into office come from a limited number of places in the U.S. It’s one of those cases where the worst rise to the top and control the critical committees. So in effect you can’t vote them out, because they don’t come from your area, or an area where the majority of voters are sensible.

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        • Founding Fathers Fan says:

          The People who refuse to vote in the primaries need to quit whining and actually do what is necessary. McConnell ran against a conservative and there was only a 20% turnout in his Kentucky primary. Ryan ran against a conservative last TWO primaries an voter turnout in Wisconsin District 1 dropped from less than 19% to less than 15%. Only 5 of 100 Senators and 39 of 435 Representatives have a rating of 80% or higher according to Conservative Review Scorecard. Turnout in republican primaries averages about 17%. Louisiana ‘bucked the system’ and produced a 67.1% turnout in their recent Senate primary. That’ how you’re supposed to vote. Every vote that is actually cast, counts. Remove incumbent RINOs in their primaries.

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  2. Dommy says:

    God help us.

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    • tellthetruth2016 says:

      Isn’t Feinstein also retiring ??

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      • Dani Tx says:

        I believe you’re thnking of Barbara Boxer.

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        • sysconfig says:

          This is funny Feinstein was hacked by CIA and files stolen and she did nothing to them except tongue lashing..If i didnt know better I swear she left it out for them.
          The lady replacing Boxer is the same lady that was an AG kamela Harris..(ck spelling)in California and went after the people who exposed the baby parts scandal under planned parenthood. The same successful in helping pass the new child prostitute law enabling pimps to use kids. Does any one see a creepy pattern here. No matter what filthy dirt is hidden these are same people that will make sure it stays hidden. At least tics can be burned off with a cigarette and they let go..this cabal will be much harder.

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      • Daniel says:

        Not sure but I think she is fossilizing though…

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    • jeans2nd says:

      Dommy, these 8 people are nothing-burgers. We see them plainly, and know exactly who, what, where, how, and why they are. These 8 people have no idea who is watching/listening – US!

      These 8 people should be afraid, methinks. And God is on our side.

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    • Toronto Tonto says:

      Why so many loons from Commiefornia on this list?

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      • dalethorn says:

        California needs to be split into 3 states, and redistricted. We really need to give the millions of conservatives who live there an equal vote in the presidential election, whereas now their votes count for nothing.

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  3. Grace Anne says:

    Well, this explains the cover up very nicely. It is time for the truth to come out. Drain the swamp President Trump.

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    • And we know when Sundance ‘ s spidey sense is triggered there’s gonna be an in depth discussion soon. Spidey on Sundance.

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      • The Boss says:

        I totally agree with SD’s spidey sense. This information – like the information in the preceding post re” John Kerry recording and ISIS – will become more widely known too, at a time and location designed for maximum impact. ‘Shock and Awe’ will have a totally new meaning.

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        • HarryO says:

          My spidey sense has been tingling ever since Hollywood suddenly started producing network television series that heavily portrayed whites as subservient characters to blacks and started raising racism and black guilt as an issue in every episode,… in 2006.
          Can’t wait to see how they subvert the simple minds to the existence of possibly the greatest President of our times, President Trump.
          My question with regards to the Go8 is “What is the linkage between them and the ‘secret court’ created by the Patriot Act? Are the anti-Americans who were on the Go8 now on the secret court? Does the Go8 answer to the secret court? Do the elite anti-Americans like Soros have access to the secret court? Is the anti-American UN involved with the secret court?

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          • Dixie says:

            Good questions and I’ll be waiting to see if someone responds. My congressman is in that Go8.

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          • They just began the Subversion of Trump with the History Channel’s “Caligula” show with subtle undertones setting up the Trump vs the Senate (Congress) scenario.

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            • dalethorn says:

              This time Caligula is a decent guy, a smart guy, and a guy who serves the real god. This president is going to expose the dishonest senators, whereas in Rome, Caligula was too degenerate to incur the right kind of friendships.

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          • dalethorn says:

            We don’t need a “secret court” for terrorists or anything else. Generals like Mattis know exactly how to arrange military courts for enemies, as our military has done for ages. Seems to me the “secret court” is there specifically so that key terrorists won’t reveal publicly their relationships with our political establishment.

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        • jeans2nd says:

          Boss – do not forget President Trump’s twitter feed, and ours. Priceless, imo.

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      • rsanchez1990 says:

        Sundance’s spidey sense tells me that President Trump will air some very dirty laundry soon after he takes office.

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        • truthseekerr says:

          There is so much dirty laundry from JFK until now. The swamp is deep.

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          • dalethorn says:

            Yeah, in the Kennedy case and probably all the way through now, the government just investigates itself for bad behavior. Then you get a Blue Ribbon committee, and they’re all paid off. It’s a vicious circle, a revolving door.

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          • Orygun says:

            It is more like quicksand with no bottom. You drop something in and it never surfaces again.

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        • Pres. Trump will probably not air any laundry. In today’s world, most dirty laundry brings about a giant yawn. Nobody is shocked any more. The rare person who might be shocked will keep it to him/herself for fear of being ridiculed by his friends, neighbors and co-workers.
          The only things he could release would be criminal activity – photographic proof of a person taking a cash bribe, or actually killing someone. He will know how to use the info he gets, but we’ll never see it. Only the quiet resignations “to spend more time with my family” will give us a clue.

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    • Founding Fathers Fan says:

      The draining of the swamp needs The People to actually turn out and vote in the primaries. Voter turnout in republican primaries averages about 17%.

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      • Grace Anne says:

        Yes, we play a part in draining the swamp. Wish the playing field could change where it wasn’t so easy for the incumbent to win.

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        • 2zymos says:

          The “last free exit” from the political freeway went by along time ago. From here on out it is steep tolls and no “peaceful” exits remain.
          When Trump takes control of the wheel and “plows into” the criminals, they will push back with fury and violence — and some will take exits. We need to be prepared to chase them down and arrest them, corner them and render them “no longer able to affect us negatively” by whatever means necessary… re-implement the Constitution and re-apply the consent to it under “new guards” for liberty and our rights (para 2 of Dec of Ind).

          This will not be possible through primaries, nor through the existing courts and “police” structure. Prepare for these conditions NOW and you minimize the casualty counts… wait at the massive risk of increasing casualty to accomplish much less, much more slowly.
          Form the militia… you are going to need it at the same time you will be receiving the information you seek to give you confidence your actions are moral and just.

          As Trump, Sundance, George Webb, #pizzagate investigators, and many others are currently pointing out–on the information side–I am pointing out on the moral, physical, historical, LAWFUL, & power side exactly what tools will be required: MILITIA

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  4. anarchist335 says:

    Sad state of affairs, sundance. Schiff was recently on Tucker and when cornered to back up his obfuscations he accused Tucker of being a Russian agent. I will put it simply, the CIA can run circles around this Gang of 8. Oversight requires some sort of sight.

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    • anarchist335 says:

      Of course, this is to say CIA is good at looking smarter than the brain trusts on The Hill. The boys from Yale aren’t so clever when it comes to the real world. Like having no clue the Soviet Union was gonna fall in ’89 or that Mossad spun the yellowcake yarn for the Neocons in ’02 or that Iran was going to topple the Shah in ’79. On and on. Yale boys in CIA are real clever compared to the staff of the Gang O Eight.

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      • georgiafl says:

        Good point – and I have lots of questions!

        Do we have a Rogue Shadow CIA that is not informing the Gang of Eight of its activities?
        Or do the Gang of Eight (get to) pretend not to know?

        Did Jimmy Carter use the CIA to topple the Shah and install the Ayatollah? If so, did he do it at the behest of the Saudis who funded his Carter Center and Presidential Library?

        Did the CIA or whatever group was responsible, inform Reagan and the then Gang of Eight about the Iran Contra deal?

        Have the Saudis/Muslim Brotherhood dictated government policy and actions of our CIA/dark ops since 9/11/01 or long beforehand?
        What is GHWB’s part in all this?

        Why wasn’t 0 vetted and rejected as a POTUS?
        Why are POTUS candidates allowed to have sealed records?

        Was 9/11/01 an attack or an announcement of conquest?
        Was 9/11/10 a false flag op?
        Will the electorate ever know the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth about 9/11/01?
        Why the heck do we have a (insert expletives) minaret on top of the WTC?
        Why does the NYC 9/11 memorial look like a replica of (insert expletives) Mecca?

        Will anyone ever prosecute the Clintons, Obama, or hold the Gang of Eight or the CIA accountable?

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        • georgiafl says:

          PS – call me names, but planes with aluminum wings do not slice through concrete and steel buildings like butter.

          I’ve seen whole full tank explosions of airliners the size of the planes that allegedly brought down the twin towers (each a city block square) into a heap of dust and molten steel that burned for days, and it just ain’t possible for that to ever happen.

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          • xyzlatin says:

            Like butter? That is a vague non technical term. The buildings were comprised of more than concrete and steel. What about the vast expanse of glass windows? And what is the point of bringing this up on this topic when we are talking about the gang of eight and Trump’s presidency in 2017?

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            • georgiafl says:

              Those are just my list of questions. Re: butter, look at the films. I will not discuss my questions further.

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              • don welch says:

                then why ask them to begin with?

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                • Bull Durham says:

                  Questions are used for several purposes. One is rhetoric. Another is to pursue truth.
                  Georgia is profoundly stimulating critical thought, urging inspection of facts, leading readers to consider an examination apart from the propagandized “experts” official conclusions.

                  I appreciate what is presented. And it shouldn’t have to be discussed and defended.
                  They are pointers along the trail, the hard journey seeking the truth.

                  Never, ever run from the questions. The Truth will always allude you. Sundance is marvelous at following his doubting mind to expose truths.

                  Children innately do this by incessantly asking “why, daddy?” “why, mommy?” It’s how the human mind develops. When children stop asking and exploring, it is over; they are conditioned to accept the ideology of the State, the Cult, the Liars. God gave us inquiring minds. Use it.

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                  • M. Mueller says:

                    Exactly, Bull. Questions never hurt anybody. The alternative is to blindly accept everything our government and media tell us.

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                  • And there is the key: God. Critical thinking and problem solving is predicated on a pursuit of Truth. If there is no God and no absolute Truth and everything is relative, then what in the world are they teaching our kids in school (rhetorical).

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                  • They ask “wai” because that sound produces a response from a usually busy parent. The first sounds that produce reactions are “mama” and “dada” or some variant.This is how children learn how to talk.
                    The questions and responses above a leading us off-topic. Good questions that can be discussed in the general threads Sundance has so kindly provided us – Pres. Victory and Genl Topics.

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                • Because she wanted to. And Georgia has lots of great posts so many of us like to hear her thoughts on things even in the form of questions.

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              • georgia, I love your posts and please do not alter them in any way “due to technical requests” by snotty anons on a blog 🙂

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              • Sunshine says:

                The law of physics: velocity and energy released upon hard impact = volatilization.

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                • georgiafl says:

                  Those planes were going landing speed, not fast enough to penetrate those thick, close, reinforced steel girders on the exterior and interior of the building, passing through to the other side. (if there were planes, not holograms or added to news videos after the fact)

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            • churchmouse says:

              Perhaps because an old interview with Donald Trump resurfaced relatively recently on the subject. It was recorded on September 11, 2001:

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              • RP says:

                Trump knows exactly what’s up with 9/11.

                As a top NY Real Estate investor, he no doubt studied the WTC lease-options pre 9/11/2001 and was keenly aware that the NY Port Authority lost an asbestos lawsuit in May 2001 that would take more than billion to remediate.

                Trump was no doubt scratching his head when and soon thereafter another high-profile, savvy NY Real Estate tycoon Larry Silverstein purchased a 99 year lease on half-empty buildings with a major asbestos problem that required billion + remediation. The reality of upcoming asbestos-related litigation was staggering…

                “Why did Larry Silverstein purchase these buildings?” had to be on Trumps mind every morning when he awoke and before he fell asleep.

                Trump may or may not have known or been concerned about the insurance policy Larry Silverstein purchased on these buildings – it seems reasonable I suppose that a policy be crafted on the WTC buildings specifically for terrorist acts.

                But I guaran-damn-tee you when Trump watched the events unfold on 9/11 from his Penthouse windows – watching in real time as his friends and associates were brutally slaughtered on his home turf – he connected the dots.

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                • Bull Durham says:

                  Bravo! One of the great threats to the ruling class is Trump in the Oval Office. Trump knows!

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                  • pyromancer76 says:

                    It was either live or a video, but I remember Bush reading to children when an official came in to inform him of the tower attack. My gut feeling of his response is that he was guilty of some foreknowledge. His going back to reading to keep the children feeling safe and calm — again as I remember his excuse — doesn’t cut it.

                    Neither does my memory of all those FBI agents on the ground telling Congressional investigators that they warned and warned and gave great detail that evil deeds were afoot and that their investigations of muslim actions in the U.S. did not pass the smell test.

                    The next step was to bureaucratize the FBI so agents on the ground could not inform anyone about anything.

                    More doesn’t pass the smell test.

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            • Southern Son says:

              You may have missed your daily dose of xyzlatin, if you must question Treepers common sense.
              We come.
              We question.
              We discuss.
              You will not discredit our questioning Everything.
              Don’t forget to chase your xyzlatin with their koolaid.

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            • WSB says:

              “If there is a U.S. policy that blows up into controversy, and is directly attached to the intelligence community, the Gang of Eight is just as culpable as the administration and intelligence agency itself.”

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            • Georgia was addressing the subject of “questions” from the previous poster who was referring to the thread topic. Please DO try to keep up.

              Vague and non technical, like your user name and icon too scared to use your own identity. LOL! Boo!

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            • Notmeagain says:

              Trump’s opinion, bomb. Argue among yourselves how much explosive it would take and how it got in the front of the plane to give the effect in this vid:

              Fire dept. chief opinion: kind of the opposite conclusion, that what Trump sees as strength he sees as a vulnerability. It would only take knocking down a few girders to start the failure cascade. This is more what I think of the collapse.
              http://vincentdunn.com/wtc.html

              However, a bomb could have certainly taken out those critical girders. So it may be a composite answer. One thing I’ve never believed is that elves got in there and planted all the explosives to do a typical building implosion. One thing I’ve grudgingly come to suspect is that Bush knew an attack was imminent and allowed it to happen, thinking it would be relatively small like the first WTC attack and it could then be used as a provocation. I think he was sincerely stunned at the extent of the damage.

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              • dalethorn says:

                Not a collapse of steel girders. More like a collapse of steel and concrete turned to dust. The “collapse” happened at near freefall speed – only possible when there is no resistance.

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          • Southern Son says:

            I watched that rabbit hole video too.
            It makes too much sense, to be discredited. I also work for a RR. Thermite is used to Weld Hard Rail!
            It is Amazing, how HOT Thermite gets, and how Long it stays HOT!!
            There is a distinctive smell also.
            Similar to the one I smell, thinking about WTC7!
            Demolishionist all Dream, of bringing down buildings like that down with Such Precision.
            Iam more than a little spooked, that They (Who?)
            would Slaughter That many people, and Money doesn’t seem to be the Only Motivation.
            My spidey senses are disturbed.

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            • WSB says:

              Being a NYC resident before and after 9/11, having visited Bethlehem PA many times as a child, and seeing the Rabbit Hole video for the first time yesterday, it suddenly occurs to me that the smell we had in the city for weeks mimicked that of the cokeworks at Bethlehem Steel.

              We all remarked how unusual the wind direction was for weeks afterward to carry the bulk of that smell and particles South, away from Manhsttan Island. To this day, I believe that was Divine Intervention.

              Although 9/11 is not mentioned above, the Gang of Eight is responsible for the intelligence failure to thwart those attacks and the subsequent debriefing. And I am just beginning to realize that these seemingly disparate events – 9/11 2001, Benghazi, Syria, Russian Hacking – have the same sick recurring scripts. Gang of Eight, show investigations, and expensive reports that never get to the truth of anything.

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          • TakeBackOurRepublic says:

            georgiafl Trump said that structurally it would be impossible; “It would take bombs to take down the WTC”. Infowars dug up this interview the day the towers collapsed and Alex Jones gives a foreword.

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            • georgiafl says:

              Trump KNOWS buildings, structural specs., etc.

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            • James Crawford says:

              Trump knows buildings, but he doesnt know terminal ballistics. Seemingly fragile projectiles can pentrate very tough structures given enough impact velocity. Those airplanes impacted at near Mach 1.
              The fuel onboard the airplanes had an energy content equivalent to a low yield nuke. That energy was liberated as heat during the subsequent inferno. Any blacksmith knows that the strongest steel becomes soft and weak when you heat it. The light weight floor trusses that tie the heavey columns and beams of the WTC exterior walls together were extremely vulnerable to heating. Once enough of those floor trusses failed, the unbraced columns of the buildings buckled.

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          • An American says:

            Have you seen the picture of the straw that a tornado drove into a telephone pole?

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            • georgiafl says:

              That just accounts for the initial impact, not the destruction of the buildings.

              Watch the Trump interview video and maybe a video of a burning 747 and think about it a while.

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              • Kalena says:

                GA, I studied engineering at Purdue in the 70’s. One of my classes was metallurgy and the various properties of steel at various temperatures. We did a full lab showing how brittle or how “bendable” steel was at various temperatures. Think about how much jet fuel was on those planes that poured down those elevator shafts and on fire upon impact. Thousands and thousands of pounds of very hot jet fuel on fire. Then there was asbestos all over the innards of that building. In the impact area, the beams that held up those floors became as bendable as an old fashioned bobby pen. Once they collapsed onto themselves (remember, each plane hit 3 to 4 floors at an angle), the force of the collapsed caused the supporting beams on the lower floors to collapse onto themselves as they were not designed to hold that much weight with that much force of a sudden collapse.

                If I had not had my engineering training, I would be also a bit skeptical about what happened to the first 2 towers. However, WTC7, it is possible it was brought down because it was weakened from the sheer force of the collapse of the first 2 buildings. I don’t remember if the fire spread to that building. ON 9/11, I lived out in LA, CA. I was ASLEEP until noon pacific time that day. So it was already 6 hours after the attack before I was even aware that all hell broke loose. By then, the networks were presuming that everyone knew what was going on, so it took me hours to piece it all together. I remember watching Foxnews live when WTC7 collapsed behind the reporter, several blocks away. I do remember that reporter saying they were worried about the structural integrity of that building.

                In a way, I am glad I missed the first 6 hours of the attacks because watching people jump live, rather than burn to death (what a nightmare of a choice), is just too disturbing even now to think about. And to think about all of those last minute frantic phone calls to the loved ones from the victims inside the buildings and planes, to their families, it just grieves me.

                I still blame that Gorelick woman who put that huge invisible wall up between the intelligence community and the FBI back in the Clinton era. Remember, they wouldn’t let that FBI agent in MN access a lap top of that captured terrorist before this attack happened. It could have been stopped. It sickens me that beyotch of a government hack went on to make millions in bonuses at one of the other government run entities, forgot which one. UGH.

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                • georgiafl says:

                  If jet fuel was that hot, it would burn through airplane engine parts.

                  There is a video online of a full tank airliner burning on the tarmac. It just isn’t devastating or enormous enough to melt all that heavy steel – watch the video and look at it. The entire WTC buildings were framed on the outside with extremely close thick steel girders reinforced by even heavier parallel bars tying them together.

                  Fire in an elevator shaft won’t melt steel on the outside frame of the building.

                  Trump is right – it would take explosives/bomb to take down buildings that size built to those specs.

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                  • lawrencepaul1 says:

                    I have no idea if any of the conspiracy theories regarding 9/11 are true of not but there are many unanswered questions. One thing that I do know though is that no amount of jet burning fuel will melt steel. Jet fuel is a low octane fuel not dissimilar to kerosene.
                    You can fill a steel talk full of the stuff and burn it all day and all night and the tank will not melt, Neither do the aluminum frames of airplanes that catch fire. They buckle but they don’t melt There may well be another reasonable explanation as to why those three structures collapsed perfectly horizontally into there own footprint but burning jet fuel is not it. So I understand why people don’t buy the official 9/11 story.
                    Me, I don’t trouble over it. It’s just something else that I have no way of ever knowing which side of the argument is right and who is wrong.

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                  • sz613 says:

                    You are correct again, georgiafl…if someone is trained in engineering, they might come to that conclusion, however…studying engineering and being an engineer are two different things…Someday, the real truth of all of the knowledgeable engineers that know that couldn’t happen as well as the intellect of DJT knowing also right after the 911 buildings falling will come forward…hopefully, sooner rather than later…Lots more deception here from TPTB.

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                  • georgiafl says:

                    There is a very large group of architects, engineers and demolition experts who disagree with the ‘official investigation.’

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                  • Ono says:

                    Jet fuel is also very similar to diesel. You cannot ignite it with a match. It is pressurized into a vapor and a glow plug ignites it.

                    Aluminum can be cut with a pair of shears…by hand. It is light weight and soft. Structural steel starts out as a molten product and is extruded. Once it hardens cutting it is next to impossible. Also of point is the wings would have snapped off and seeing that is where fuel is stored why wasn’t there a curtain of flames falling all the way to the ground?

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                  • georgiafl says:

                    ^^^THIS^^^ Absolutely.

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                • RP says:

                  “Think about how much jet fuel was on those planes that poured down those elevator shafts and on fire upon impact.”

                  Exactly how do you explain the fact that it took an hour before the so-called buckling and collapse? You telling us the ‘flash’ fire from jet fuel burning persisted at peak level (plus another 800 +/- degrees) or that steel does not regain strength as it cools?

                  Bldg 7? You saying sporadic fire from office furnishings reached level to cause the uniform buckling and collapse of an entire structure?

                  I think you’re still asleep Kalena. Wake up!

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                  • Sentient says:

                    Telling people that they’re still asleep and need to “wake up” is exactly the kind of condescending BS that makes people tune you out as being an A hole.

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                  • 3x1 says:

                    Kalena is on target.

                    It’s everything that was in the building that burned: fuel, furniture, carpeting, supplies, floors upon floors of it. You did see the smoke, right? This heat, over time, needed only to weaken a few structural members. The rest was dominoes.

                    This is undergrad engineering stuff. Strength of materials, statics, thermo and heat transfer.

                    If there were flaws in the engineering failure analysis report on WTC, engineers would shred it. They didn’t because it was an accurate assessment.

                    The only bombs at WTC were in ’93 in the parking garage.

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                  • 3x1 says:

                    Here is a video that illustrates the intensity and duration of the fires that preceeded the collapses:

                    The smoke trails underscore the tremendous updraft which accelerated and spread the flames to floors above the impact zones. If you’ve ever seen bellows at work in a blacksmith shop, that’s what’s happening. Force feeding the fire oxygen. Metal heats up, loses its strength (not melting, just losing strength). If it’s in tension, it starts to stretch. Compression it starts to sag or buckle. Enough load-bearing members fail and they can no longer support the weight of the floors above. It collapses.

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                  • 3x1 says:

                    Here’s a simplified vid of the weight above the impact points driving the collapse:

                    The fellow makes the point that the fewer floors above impact in the North Tower (15 vs 22) still had roughly the mass of the Titanic. 38000 tons. Now imagine heat-weakened beams trying to support that load.

                    Remember, heat can weaken steel without cutting it. Here’s another video:

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                  • georgiafl says:

                    3×1 – your theory accounts for melting that might cause collapse of a small portion of the 100+ story building, but not the melting of the entire structure. Not feasible. Plenty of engineers and architects don’t hold with that theory.

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                  • 3x1 says:

                    Where are you coming up with anything melting?

                    Here are the temperatures at which steel melts

                    http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/melting-temperature-metals-d_860.html

                    Here is how steel strength varies with temperature:

                    See that green line? That’s what happens to steel subjected to heat, not melted, heated.

                    http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/metal-temperature-strength-d_1353.html

                    I put videos up to try to illustrate this in simple terms. The science is sound and explains precisely the mechanism of failure. No bombs. Heat.

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                • annieoakley says:

                  I agree.

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                • dalethorn says:

                  Not a collapse. The 110 stories of steel was turned into dust. Well, 108 stories.

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                • woohoowee says:

                  I’ve never figured out the whole Gorelick angle b/c if John P. O’Neill knew, and indeed he did know, then all the alphabet agencies knew, too.

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                • WSB says:

                  I understand your points but what created the plumage of the two towers? Gravitational collapse does not create an upward outward unified explosion effect hurdling debris 600 feet plus away from the collapse of each tower on all four sides.

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            • telerider says:

              Yes, and the telephone pole is still standing!

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            • georgiafl says:

              Wood pole or concrete and steel? There is a big difference.

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          • AmyB says:

            Georgia, I have no intention of calling you a “conspiracy theorist”. Your list of questions are very pertinent to “draining the swamp” so they are appropriately asked in this discussion, IMO.

            I believe that the Clinton Foundation has used rogue CIA assets to conduct its operations. Whether or not the gang of eight was fully aware of all of those operations or not will come out. But we know from Sundance’s Benghazi Brief that they knew – and approved – at least one, the Libya weapons transfers.

            If you haven’t watched any of the “Where is Eric Braverman” videos on YouTube, you might want to.

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            • georgiafl says:

              Thanks, Miss AmyB. I plan to watch those Braverman videos. Sundance has kept me busy here, but I need to take time.

              Wow, there’s a lot going on.

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            • didn’t see your comment; I posted the latest George Webb videos below, day 70. i”m not so sure these are ‘rogue’ CIA agents. Webb first claims they are working independently but now it seems he is starting to see they are connected, I mean Hillary was SOS when doing this stuff and Obama has to have known…the “Brownstone” method of setting up people for blackmail is CIA. Day 70 part 3 is interesting; I just watched it. He explains how Hillary would just see it as doing business as usual, just escalating things a bit.

              I really feel so sad for the people of Haiti. No one will listen. And anyone who does ends up suicided or in an auto crash…suicide seems to be the favorite method.

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          • Check out the dustification videos on yt. Look at the end results of those two buildings once completely gone. Where is the hundreds of stories of DEBRIS? It’s missing, as it was clearly blowing in the wind as dust… Was one of the first things I noticed at the time this happened. So did the people who made the video about it.

            DUST. We’ve never seen anything like this before in warfare

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          • Evelyn says:

            My son took a class in Concrete and Admixtures as part of a BA in Construction Technology at Penn State back in 2006. The professor who taught that class told him privately that everyone who understands heavy construction knows that the story that has been fed to the public is a lie, but they are afraid to speak out

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            • georgiafl says:

              As Sundance says, we have been ‘gas-lighted’ for decades. Decades!

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            • Evelyn says:

              Wanted to add that the class was at a community college whose credits were accepted at Penn State, so the professor I’m speaking of was not part of Penn State’s faculty. Don’t want to get anyone in trouble 🙂 But I am praying that the whole truth will come out. According to 1 Corinthians, love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth.

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            • 3x1 says:

              The professor does a great disservice teaching unsubstantiated rumor as fact. Penn State is a good school. Over the years i hired some very good engineers from Happy Valley. He should get better info there.

              The WTC was not a concrete problem, it was a structural steel problem. It’s the domain of materials and mechanical engineers. Architects rely on M.E.’s for the science. Physicists are also competent in this area.

              An initial reaction to WTC would easily incorporate bombs, especially since it was attacked in 1993. I don’t blame Trump for putting it out there as an initial possibility. Over time and an incredibly exhaustive analysis, the failure mode revealed itself.

              The reports are readily available for engineering students and other interested parties:

              https://www.nist.gov/node/599811?pub_id=861610

              Government CYA for missing Moslems as a threat doesn’t change the science. It did taint the investigation though.

              Anyway, back to current matters at hand 🙂

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              • dalethorn says:

                I read the NIST reports. Complete hogwash. The thousands of retired engineers who’ve reported on the nonsense of 9/11 are far more credible than the bogus NIST report. Just ask “where’s the debris of 216 stories of the towers?” It’s missing. Adding to the bogus NIST claims is that the 110 story buildings could “collapse” at near freefall speeds. It’s First Grade physics to know that can’t happen.

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                • 3x1 says:

                  Please point out specifically what is “hogwash” in the NIST report.

                  No blanket statements, pick any item out of the report and disprove it. Any ONE item.

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              • fleporeblog says:

                Watch this and you will see another side to your argument

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                • vicschick says:

                  Oh….my….God!!! I just watched this and I can hardly breathe. What kind of evil could do this? I mean I’m just speechless right now. I always thought in the back of my mind things just did not add up and this guys documentary gives me chills. Thanks for sharing.

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                  • fleporeblog says:

                    vicschik it is almost unbelievable to the majority of people in our country. The fact that our government could do something like this is unimaginable. What scares me is that anything imaginable to them is on the table. We are all disposable trinkets in their world.

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          • Sunshine says:

            This is a thorough 9/11 debunking site, among many others. http://debunking911.com/

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            • dalethorn says:

              I’ve found that nearly all debunker sites are liars, and likely well-funded. The official story of 9/11 is a far worse gaslight assault on America than anything since the Inside Job removal of John Kennedy. The story is always the same – phony ‘facts’, strawmen etc. The 9/11 buildings fell at near freefall speed. More than 90 percent of the 220 stories of debris were missing.

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          • dalethorn says:

            George Stephanopoulos was interviewed at ground zero the next day, by Brian Williams or some such news guy, and the news guy asked George “Where’s the buildings?” The reason for the question was there were only about 2 stories of rubble remaining for each tower, with 108 stories missing, steel beams and all. My guess is it got vaporized. The bottom line in all that is there was no real investigation of a Pearl-Harbor class event. Could it be because the terrorist were mainly Saudis, and Bush#2 was excellent friends with the Saudis. Obama too I think.

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            • 3x1 says:

              “vaporized”?

              by what mechanism?

              pulverized is where stuff went. A building is not a solid block of material. By volume it’s more air than solid.

              The bulk of the debris collapsed into the underground garages, which not incoincidentally, are more air than solid. The balance was carried off in massive dust clouds.

              Pulverized, not vaporized.

              Thermo ‘splains it all:

              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enthalpy_of_vaporization

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        • Shadow…you might be interested in watching the “Where is David Braverman” videos on YouTube made by a guy named George Webb. It is quite scary. And real. I watched Day #70 yesterday and the Part 2 video is really worth watching. He is connecting dots, for example ..child pedophile ring is CIA method for setting up generals and Senators so they can be blackmailed…satanic story is smoke screen to cover up real purpose. This is very bad stuff and out of control Do not know if it can be stopped.

          Some one here turned me on to these. Here is link to Day 70:

          Part 1

          Part 2

          I just discovered he has a part 3 up now; haven’t watched yet:

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        • straightstreet says:

          I knew about the minaret (spit) but WOW I did NOT know about the 9/11 memorial looking like a replica of mecca (spit).
          Babylon, the prostitute on the beast ~Revelation 17

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          • TheLastDemocrat says:

            FYI: the leading website concerning the Pennsylvania memorial representing Islam via several symbols, arrangements, and orientations:
            http://www.crescentofbetrayal.com/

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            • 3x1 says:

              That “memorial” in Shanksville is absurd. Out of towners took over everything for 911 glory and hired L.A. goofball architects who came up with the “Crescent of Comfort” plan.

              They stiffed the landowner too.

              The original, modest memorial was far more moving. Then self-promoting bureacrats took over.

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        • anarchist335 says:

          “Will anyone ever prosecute the Clintons, Obama, or hold the Gang of Eight or the CIA accountable?” Short answer, no.

          “Do we have a Rogue Shadow CIA that is not informing the Gang of Eight of its activities?
          Or do the Gang of Eight (get to) pretend not to know?” Short answer, yes.

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          • The more I think about it and research the more I believe that the “shadow” government and the “Legitimate” government have merged. And this was made possible by putting Hillary Clinton in the sos position…Clinton foundation is the money laundering operation for sure….but more than that….

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        • lawrencepaul1 says:

          There are always more questions than answers.
          Did Oswald work alone?
          Most of us will never know what really happens in Washington or why. Politicians have been getting away with murder (both literally and figuratively) for as long as there have been politicians. And there is absolutely no low that they would not stoop to if it were to benefit them in some way. I talk of politicians as a general breed not of all individuals.

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            • dalethorn says:

              One of the fascinating things about the “war” between the CIA and FBI, that began in earnest when Hoover (through McCarthy) was outing Leftist State Dept. officials – officials who had CIA cover, was how it progressed in the Kennedy era. Hoover feared being eliminated by the CIA, so he initiated several documents that could embarrass the CIA, or worse. The “George Bush of the CIA” memo was one, and the memo by the FBI agents at the autopsy that described the pre-surgery to Kennedy’s head, as well as the coffin switch was another. Hoover was a very smart guy, and ran a tight ship.

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          • dalethorn says:

            Here’s a very quick primer on Oswald:
            CIA U2 pilot Gary Powers said Oswald helped with the radar to bring down the U2 on the Russians’ most sacred holiday, May 1 1960. (World crisis no. 1)
            Oswald was hired into Jagger-Chiles-Stovall, likely to help with developing U2 photos, days before the Cuban Missile Crisis. (World Crisis no. 2)
            Oswald was dragged into the Kennedy assassination, on the heels of his bogus portrayal of being a Marxist. (World crisis no. 3)
            Oswald brought home the neice of a high-ranking KGB agent, without even being debriefed, after defecting to the USSR at the height of the Cold War.
            Oswald defected to the USSR after completing his honorable service in the U.S. Marines.
            Oswald planted the shells from his revolver near the body of Ofc. Tippit, apparently because he thought that was a good idea?

            Bottom line is, both sides were engaged in some heavy dealings back then, and some nasty backstabbing too.

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        • Gail says:

          georgiafl, did you know that Trump said bombs had to have been used? He also made comments on releasing the 12 pages on 9/11 that implicated the Saudis. He KNOWS what happened. IF anyone can expose the lies, he can.
          Here is the interview about it:

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        • pyromancer76 says:

          Excellent questions.

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        • Awesome list of questions that I too have, and have had for many, many years… all of them. Many of them can be answered with one simple word, yes. Some others with no.

          But, there is no doubt the “government” is in full shadow government/globalist control mode at all times, with the burrowcrats running amok nearly unchecked.

          So much work to do.

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          • Remington says:

            Such questions, and it’s only Jan 2. President Trump does not take the helm until the 20th. You just get a sense of what’s ahead. “These are the times that try men’s souls…’, to be sure. I don’t think any of us can get our heads around the history that will be made in 2017 – and beyond. We are remaking our Country and it is going to be a rough road. Someone mentioned yesterday the Mark Taylor prophesy, and what will come to be. He talks about “Nuremberg like Trials” . I believe that’s spot on. Buckle up and pray….It’s going to be a wild ride. Remember, you can take solace that Donald, who is being guided by God, has this one……If you’re interested…

            http://www.trunews.com/listen/mark-taylor-the-firefighter-prophecy-fulfilled

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        • Toronto Tonto says:

          “Did Jimmy Carter use the CIA to topple the Shah and install the Ayatollah? If so, did he do it at the behest of the Saudis who funded his Carter Center and Presidential Library?”

          Read up on Jimmy Carter’s relationship with David Rockefeller and Zbig. All signs point to YES. Remove Iran from the oil market, and Saudi oil is worth much more.

          “Did the CIA or whatever group was responsible, inform Reagan and the then Gang of Eight about the Iran Contra deal?”

          Reagan knew about the hostage crisis which was resolved the day he was inaugurated. I think that ensured Bush would be on the ticket, and after Reagan was shot, Bush started running most foreign policy and was setting up the CIA shadow government in the White House that he would run himself.

          Then the Rockefellers put their own kin in the White House in William Jefferson Blythe Clinton, a rumored Rockefeller bastard. He does look a lot like Nelson, and Winthrop was Gov of AR back then.

          “Have the Saudis/Muslim Brotherhood dictated government policy and actions of our CIA/dark ops since 9/11/01 or long beforehand?”

          Since the 70s post-Watergate. It was called the Safari Club, founded in Kenya. It involved France, UK, Saudi Arabia, Israel and a few other countries.

          “Was 9/11/01 an attack or an announcement of conquest?
          Was 9/11/10 a false flag op?
          Will the electorate ever know the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth about 9/11/01?”

          911 was a coup when the CIA officially installed the security state and overthrew the democratic process. Read up on Project Hammer, GHWB’s scheme to topple the Russian economy. There were several millions in bonds that came due Sept 12.

          I can assure you that 911 was not a false flag. Thousands died. I was there and saw it with my own eyes. I don’t know how responsible the Bush family was, but I blame their relationship with the Saudis.

          It is my belief that the seeds of 911 were sewn in BCCI / Iran Contra. Since JFK, there has been a rogue faction in our government running amok and declaring war on the American people. They are traitors and should be executed.

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        • ediegrey says:

          These are great questions. I pray that they are answered – Christ said everything hidden will be revealed. We need the answers so we can know what we are dealing with. The truth, after all, is what sets us free. Lies come from the devil.

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      • kroesus says:

        are you somehow discounting the 200 TONS of yellow cake removed from the Iraqi theater in 2004?

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      • John says:

        You shouldn’t assume that what the CIA claims publicly is what they really believe. For example, I had a reliable source in the early 1980’s telling me the CIA was certain of the coming collapse of the USSR, but publicizing that knowledge might threaten their future budgets. I’ve found that people in high governmental positions are often more dishonest than obtuse, though it sometimes benefits them for the public to believe the reverse. There are many layers and many moving parts between us and those making the decisions at the top of such organizations.

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    • Kevin Sherlock says:

      We need to end the CIA and ban all of its agents from ever taking part in government except as taxpayers.

      Harry Truman, who started the CIA, was appalled as to how it morphed into a private government with no accountability to the people. The CIA was behind the Clinton Bush drugrunning and murder operation known as Iran Contra. They damn near toppled Reagan with this …. it was Bush running the operation and Clinton providing Arkansas agencies as money laundering bankers. The greed of Clinton’s minions caused the CIA high command to move the operation to Mexico, whose officials could be bribed for less.

      We will have to construct a new service whose people are accountable and loyal.

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    • susiepuma says:

      Unfortunately, there is no IQ requirement for elected members of Congress………….there are many examples of this………(Sheila Jackson Lee, Hank Johnson, and many, many others) so the Cartel does not worry about these idiots and just keep on doing what they are doing. Also, fortunately, many of these stupids do not get placed into ranking positions but, it makes no difference. The Uniparty rules, one way or the other. Trump, as well as the American public, is going to have a terrific, difficult time trying to drain the swamp. Elections do have consequences.

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      • mamadogsite says:

        RANDOM MUSINGS….

        I have long thought that there should be required subjects taken and tests administered, ( such as American History! WORLD history, geography and economics) prior to one’s entry into the career of politics.

        Followed up by term limits and drug tests…

        That, in itself, would probably eliminate 1/2 of the present House and Senate today.

        You don’t hire a talented clay sculptor to build a 100 story steel skyscraper….

        Too many in our present Congress are only pliable like clay…and lack the strength of steel.

        Each has their place in our society….we will always need the arts. They are valuable in their own rights.

        Just as we will always need the engineers who work with steel , brick and cement. BUT WE NEED MORE BALENCED EMPLOYEES.

        We need a more intelligent Congress…one who can pass the afore mentioned classes, and is comfortable working with the plyable clay as well as steel.

        BALANCED…regardless of ideology. Able to pivot, deflect and advance. (Martial arts reference).

        An Ivy League School degree does not necessarily guarantee success. Bet we could find a few “common people” who could way outperform many in our present government.

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        • Dixie says:

          Bet we could find a few “common people” who could way outperform many in our present government.

          Some of those smart people are right here, participating in CTH.

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        • TheLastDemocrat says:

          Great – we should have a technocracy, rather than a plebian democratic republic.
          What could possibly go wrong?

          On a totally different topic: suggested reading for the new year: “Brave New World,” “Farenheit 451,” and “Walden II.” Follow up Walden II with “Beyond Freedom and Dignity.”

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        • sixgeese says:

          Drug testing is a bad idea. I don’t use any drugs, but I cook about half a table spoonful of ground poppy seeds with my oatmeal every morning, and for this reason I would fail all drug tests. Poppy seeds are healthy and legal.

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        • dalethorn says:

          We used to have engineers and other creators running the bigger corporations, but today it’s lawyers and accountants. We should find out why.

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    • WSB says:

      The Gang of Eight is more like the Committee of Hindsight and CYA. Epiphany is January 6th!

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      • georgiafl says:

        Perhaps Mr. Trump has a big epiphany for our country planned for release on Epiphany!

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      • I think they are part of what is going on and know full well what is happening; maybe some are being blackmailed…sex with children is still black mailable…gay sex, not so much.

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        • flova says:

          The Russian hacking nonsense to me is a distraction from what really could bring these leftists Podesta Obama, Clinton Soros down and that is a child sex ring.

          It would not be surprising at all. Leftists have pushed perverted sex ed to kindergarteners, Obama’s safe schools czar was NAMBLA aficionado Kevin Jennings for God’s sake! Obama was probably molested by Davis, Bill flies to a convicted child rapists retreat, Podesta just looks like he has kids on his mind

          If I were Trump I would spare no one, investigate this angle and go after these pedophiles. If they end up in prison they would be targets. Child rapists are the lowest of the low in prison and often don’t last very long.

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          • Gail says:

            Davis could have molested him, but remember pedophilia is rampant in muslim countries. Ostensibly because the women are not available. Not sure I buy that excuse.

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  5. Guest says:

    Thank you Sundance for explaining how the Gang of Eight is formed. I never understand this before.

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    • repsort says:

      Yep, totally explains why they are all so eager to play dumb or look the other way or ask the wrong questions, etc. etc. when the SHTF after a botched intel. mission.

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      • farmhand1927 says:

        Explains why John Boehner, as Speaker, repeatedly ignored calls for a special House investigative committee on Benghazi. “What did they know and when did they know it?” can be restructured to “They knew it all but pretended to know nothing”. This is why the eventual formation of a committee was a clown show highlighted with Hillary’s testimony wearing prism lens glasses and stating, “What difference at this point does it make?”

        We tuned in to hear her testimony that day, anticipating fact finding, answers and justice. It was clear from the moment she sat down she was going to walk free. By the time the committee members such as Rand Paul, got through praising her for her distinguished, tireless service, thanking her over and over for gracing them with her very presence, it was clear the fix was in. She went on to be excused for ignoring all of Amb. Stevens’ requests for help. She got off scot-free for not being engaged with the proper personnel to get air support. Whatever failing, misstep, oversight or intentional screw up brought to light, it was all brushed aside as she spewed her usual nonsensical, evading explanations for her incompetence.

        Boehner was forced, finally, to do his job and call for the committee but let’s not forget this is the same person who strong-armed incoming House members in 2014 to vote to retain him as Speaker and threatened others that held esteemed seats on committees and chairmanships of their choice.

        Benghazi will forever be a dark, evil and sinister chapter in our history, and most Americans will forever believe it was absolutely preventable. Those responsible for events in those 13 hours walk abt freely while families and our nation continue to grieve the unnecessary loss of precious life. The president never had to account for himself, Hillary cake-walked through hearings and then had the gall to cite her rehearsed performances as an example of stamina. (Did she have the questions in advance?) Valerie Jarrett has never been held accountable for her role, her emails and phone records of this and many other national security events remain untouched and of no interest to Congress.

        With everything said abt Benghazi and the lies, deception, cover ups and blatant failures, We, the People, have known for a long time justice in it’s expected forms would not be served. That is why on November 8 we indicted, tried and sentenced Hillary Clinton so she could not have power to preside over another such tragedy.

        Going forward, however, seeing who sits in the Congressional power seats of national security, it is a grave concern as to whether they will cooperate with our new President, given their biases and public comments of non-support.

        Another example of why elections matter so much and why KY should have canned McConnell and WI should have removed Ryan. Their reelections have far more consequence than simply who will represent those states for another term.

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        • jeans2nd says:

          farmhand, Ohio got rid of Boehner. We Ohioans are working to get rid of Krooked Kasick and Kasick’s boy-toy Matt Borgess.

          Do not worry about McConnell. Had McConnell been defeated, Harry Reid might have remained. McConnell’s wife (Elaine Cho) is now in the Trump administration. KY has got this.

          Bring on the next guy. We are waiting… ;-o

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          • Dixie says:

            I knew Richard Burr (Go8) was a skunk, but like so many others, I voted for him just because he was a Republican in order to help PE Trump. Not that my one vote would have made a difference, but my conscience will never forgive me. Now that I know the depths to which the Go8 fell, I can’t even stand to look at a picture of the traitorous snake.

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            • AbbytheJackRussell says:

              Dixie, I agree with you. But, as is so often the case, his opponent, Deborah Ross, was a choice I could not make. Also, Burr is deeply entrenched with the military in NC. I would love for a Republican with integrity to finally unseat him, but it will be difficult!

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    • don welch says:

      i watched an interview on oreilly perhaps three years ago and the guest (it may have been kt mcfarland but i am not sure at this point) explained that certain intricate moving parts at certain levels are normally not given in order to protect the integrity of the (gang of eight) and also to allow the president a certain amount leway in his manueverings which would also protect the white houses integrity. makes sense to me.

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    • Daniel says:

      I wished I had realized the specific details about that myself. I know in my dialogues with others on the subject of Benghazi would have included finger-pointing in those specific directions as well.

      This is the sort of thing Trey Gowdy would have known with great certainty. I think his approach was using the system to trap the system overlords but the clock ran out on him. It’s absurd. It’s absurd that the media and subsequently nobody in the public seemed to care. Gowdy’s closing statements were dead on… I’m surprised that people bought it too. But adding this wrinkle about who else would have had specific knowledge of Benghazi makes it seem a LOT worse.

      Trump may end up creating little packages to mail out to various parties and some encrypted packages to others demanding they resign and/or retire immediately. This sort of ruins my breakfast.

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      • Alison says:

        Lack of investigative reporting has been replaced by 100% agenda-driven media conglomerates to the detriment of the type of questioning Georgia posted above.

        Congress cannot investigate the Gang of 8 with sych an inherent Uniparty conflict of interest. When President & DOJ are complicit, no special prosecutor will be appointed.

        Voting is no longer adequate to remove this scum. Citizens desperately need term limits & some mechanism whereby WE can demand a special prosecutor who is selected by citizens. That seems a pipe dream when the Uniparty tentacles have seemingly have smothered all vestiges of integrity & independence.

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        • Sounds like more “Plausible Deniability” to me. There’s only a few of them and so many more of us. We cannot continue to blame just them. It’s the trust in the filth and lies of the media that Americans have been trusting in without batting an eye. We must repent of this then forgive ourselves and go on from there.

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  6. fedback says:

    Owning failure is important. Very obvious this construct reduces accountability and creates a stronger Uniparty. Sad

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  7. anthohmy says:

    Give ear to my word, O Lord
    Consider my mediation

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  8. The Devilbat says:

    The gang of eight must have known about some very nasty operations such as allowing ISIS to form and providing them with weapons, etc, etc. When the truth comes out these weasels may be in some very serious doo doo.

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  9. Janie M. says:

    SD has articulated what my intuition told me about the Benghazi hearings. Trey Gowdy, et al, knew there was a line they couldn’t cross. As such, no one would be held accountable. I’m not surprised whatsoever. Millions of dollars wasted on a dog and pony show.

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  10. Tonawanda says:

    Blackmail is the source of power in America. Who are the blackmailers provides the explanations.

    The extremely narrow path of integrity is the only effective guard against blackmail.

    There are few men and fewer women who have integrity in the broadest sense.

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    • KBR says:

      We must take that power, and “blackmail” the GOP ones with our voices flooding each office with our demands that they follow our chosen GOP leader, or the entire GOP gets no moola now, and they get no votes later. Also that we are aware of their crimes and look forward to their prosecutions!

      The dem side needs to know that we know and that we will be writing to our leader and his AG demanding prosecutions!

      One thing we all agree upon, NO ONE should be ABOVE criminal LAW.
      Not judges, not lawmakers, not executives, not our “intelligence/spies.”

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    • Pizzagate may be the tip of a very big iceberg…or maybe it is more like an uncontrollable fire!

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    • quintrillion says:

      We should take them one at a time to discover each of their connections to see who is being bribed, who is the pimp, who is the dupe being lied to, who is most likely to be blackmailed, who is the liar…..each of their weakness…pick ’em off one by one…divide and conquer just like they do to us. They all have individual weaknesses…they are not a monolith of strength and virtue. Obviously, the only oversight they do is to make sure everything is not seen & is formed for uniparty cover-up.

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    • Sex and monetary bribery. For some it might be a simple adulterous affair, or a homosexual affair or sex with a minor or pedophilia, or taboo sexual practices; others dirty money. From what I understand outsiders don’t get in at all unless they have something known to use against them later. The blackmail used depends on each person. I know one thing, when Trump came to town we saw the “blackmailed ones” start attacking Trump. They don’t want their secrets coming out.

      Personally, IMO Paul Ryan has secret sex liaisons and also has also been funded with bribe money probably ill gotten gains from illicit drug money by keeping the border wide open. Why he fights Trump every step of the way. When they are through using someone or they become a risk it is exposed and they let the media take them down. Other monies come in from CHILD TRAFFICKING both in US and abroad; selling arms and military secrets and more. Hillary is also very good about collecting dirt on people, setting traps from the beginning when they start grooming up and coming politicians. SEX & BRIBERY.

      This is why they fear Trump so much. He’s an outsider and total extrovert who’s lived his sins in the public eye as being an entertainer was nothing bad. Trump already “owned the downside” as Sundance called it. So there are no secrets. Some of his so-called playboy antics came out from years ago but we the people were not moved. Nothing Trump did or said was even close to their murders dirty money and pedophilia!!


      SEX & dirty money the blackmail to keep politicians where they want them!

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      • Bull Durham says:

        It’s evident and well-known in Europe, the EU monster tyranny and NATO.

        (Of course, Putin did it all.)

        Blackmail was the power behind J.Edgar Hoover (and also what stopped him from going after organized crime). It was the power of LBJ in Texas and in DC. Blackmail really works.

        Merkel, Cormey, Perot were all marginalized with blackmail either directly or through loved ones who have to be protected.
        Blackmail is the other side of Bribery. If they don’t sell out, they scandalize them.

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  11. mg says:

    If Trump and America are to be saved we must hang all traitors. Starting with mcconnell and ryan.

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  12. KBR says:

    One big big problem: “these eight members who are accountable to the U.S. electorate” is not quite right.

    Each member is elected by, and accountable to either a single state for Senators, or one small portion of a state for Congressmen.

    Not one, AFIK, considers himself/herself “accountable” to the entire US electorate.

    Not one, AFIK, even allows email from anyone in the electorate outside of their own personal constituency zipcode+four. Not one is chosen by the entire US electorate.

    Thus as a gang, they are “accountable, vote-outable, might listen to” only to eight or less constituencies, a small fraction of the US electorate.

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    • KBR says:

      Gang8 is not answerable to their fellow legislators but rather rules over them.

      We all saw how Ryan was coronated by the powerful, even ignoring the process already begun within the congress, wherein only a few dared throw his hat into the nomination ring.

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      • TheOldBear says:

        Yes the rules of the House and Senate. The super glue that binds these traitors together and and locks 🔐 tight their hold on power and keeps the people from finding the truth and doing what is good 😊 for the country as a whole. Trump each day will continue to expose those that are getting rich and powerful at the expense of national security and prosperity. America as a nation will always be first. The inner workings of broad Constitutional branches be damned !

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    • redlegleader68 says:

      Well, soap box time again: Members from the House are what they are; although, I’m still not clear why they are there on the Go8 in the first place (beyond the financial aspect) apart from the Speaker of the House, 3d in line of succession. The Senate is another matter altogether.

      The construct you see explained by Sundance has its roots in the 17th Amendment, in my humble opinion. Prior the the 17th, our States had accountable representation in the Senate; afterwards, you only have the Country Club of 100, accountable to no one. For sure, they’re not accountable to the electorate.

      My point? Please repeal the 17th Amendment ASAP. Return he Federalist Power to the People via the States.

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  13. F D says:

    You reported a big clue Leon Panetta was not called for questioning by Trey Gowdy as telling that the investigation was going no where. That was a good report.

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    • georgiafl says:

      Likewise, HRClinton was not sworn in for testimony re: emails or anything else. It was a mere ‘interview.’

      Liked by 13 people

      • Southern Son says:

        That’s how they get by calling her Honorable.
        Without swearing in, she hasn’t Dishonored her Character by Lying.
        She was Destined to be POTUS at that point in time.

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    • Bull Durham says:

      Panetta was the central coverup man that day and night.
      He called off the CIS from Croatia, the Marines from Spain/Sicily, the F-16s from Aviano, and the contractors from Tripoli, and the drones overflying the scene (supposedly unarmed, ha!). Panetta then misled and continues to lie about it all.

      Total POS from the Defense Department and CIA. If you were to prosecute the case, this is the guy to crack. He was the lynchpin of “Stand Down”.

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  14. mg says:

    Time for the lame public to step up and heat the vats of tar, pull these hacks out of their congressional digs and dip and feather these lying bastiges. Or start harassing their family members as they have done too all of us over the years. Pay back is a biotch and I want some. Revenge is one of the greatest feelings in winning a fight they gave you no chance in winning. Man up America it is going to get ugly.

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  15. Jim in TN says:

    I think that media protection of the Go8 has a lot to do with the President that they want to protect. Since the media clearly hates President Elect Trump, all new programs needing Go8 approval will be cleared for attack of anyone supporting the program. (Like Democrats having to lie about supporting the Gulf War.)

    Where it gets interesting is that the media have a history of attacking Republicans over foreign policy even when the Republican has continued the policy of their Democrat predecessor. (Nixon re Vietnam)

    The Go8 exists because even small committees cannot be trusted to not leak top secret activities to make political attacks. The pressure to make those attacks on Trump will be worse than it was under any prior President. (Including Reagan and Nixon.)

    Trump, and any Go8 supporters, should expect no protection from the media, even if they continue Obama’s destructive policies.

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  16. Howie says:

    Uggh!

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  17. markstoval says:

    This is a very good post, especially coming right after the post about the leaked audio of Kerry outlining Obama’s interventionist policy of regime change at all costs.

    Radical libertarians have been pointing out for decades that the uni-party, deep state, or ruling elite are all partners in crime. The US government is “a gang of thieves writ large” as one of the most famous libertarians once said. It is the state itself that is our enemy — at least as it is constituted at the present time.

    When the gang of 8, the state department, the president, and the various federal agencies all tell us though the lap-dog mainstream media that something is true; well naturally most Americans believe it. (even if they maintain a little skepticism)

    Some have claimed that, like in the days of the FBI’s Herbert Hoover, there are those in the “deep state” that have dirt on nearly everyone in government and that getting the insiders to go along with some evil policy is not nearly as difficult as an outsider might imagine. Blackmail can be a powerful tool.

    Once you see, as the last two posts point out so very well, that our government is corrupt and maddened by power lust — you must see that Mr. Trump’s job of draining the swamp is a Herculean task. We must all pray for him and for America itself.

    As a final note. In the 8 years that Mr. Trump may have, he must find a way to drastically reduce the power of the central government if America is to ever be “great” again. I hope he has read the 10th amendment — The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

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  18. Any more these days, C. I. A. stands for “Caught In the Act”

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  19. zephyrbreeze says:

    I sometimes wake up in the middle of the night worried that I might have offended someone by not calling them back, or being blunt. I feel guilty.

    The gang of 8 literally have murdered people via their decisions. Good, innocent people tortured and murdered due the evil judgements of these political hacks. How do they sleep at night?

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    • fuzzi says:

      Their conscience has been defiled, and “seared” from neglect: you keep doing that which you know is wrong to a point where it doesn’t seem wrong anymore.

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      • Sherlock says:

        Lots of these guys would probably rate high on the sociopathy index in the DSM. They go in without a conscience, with the ability to merrily lie, with a lack of empathy, and with remarkable manipulative skills. Next to prison inmates, I’d wager politicians have the highest percentage of sociopaths in any cognizable group in America.

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      • Like a seared conscience.

        I hate to say this…again, but the word DEPLORABLE means just that, one incapable of redemption. Reprobate. Seared conscience

        “And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient [morally wrong]; They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed, and hatred. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, and malice…”
        [Romans 1:28-29]

        Only a person with a conscience would find it hard to sleep after the sins they’ve committed, especially MURDER.

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    • zephyrbreeze, it’s hard for a good and decent person to even try to understand the wicked. There are serial killers that go into the fridge and eat a meal in their victim’s house. I suppose even some of them would be able to take a cat nap on the couch if they didn’t have to flee the scene so soon. They can’t relate to us and we can’t relate to them. What is good and right smells rotten to them and what is bad and wicked smells bad to us.
      There really are people who hate God, goodness, and all that is honorable.

      The human mind has many ways of compartmentalizing things they do. Prisons are filled with them. DC politicians are the elite criminals, they don’t go to jail unless they get out of hand or bring the heat down on them. Then they take ’em down, to utter RUIN. They sleep just fine. The few ones that don’t use DOPE. IMO.

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  20. tommylotto says:

    I don’t think it is fair to say every member of the Go8 approved of every covert action. They are (or should be) notified of all covert activity in highly confidential briefings. If they disapprove of an action (which I assume happens all the time), there is really very little that they can do. They best they could do is hold hearing or work through legislation to defund or restrict the covert activity — and in doing so they cannot disclose any of that super duper highly confidential information that was disclosed to them in the briefing. They could not even introduce legislation that said, no US funds will be used for X, if X disclosed any confidential information.

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  21. georgiafl says:

    Check out Sundance Twitter feed – he’s lobbing missiles and heavy artillery shells into the enemy camp. https://twitter.com/TheLastRefuge2

    Prayers for Sundance our courageous truth warrior, willing to take the Truth to Power. Do we need to request Secret Service or ask Mr. Trump to provide protection for Sundance?

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    • daughnworks247 says:

      We better get busy then. He/she needs help. Can’t leave Sundance on the battlefield by himself. Let’s GO!!!!!!!!

      Liked by 7 people

    • Dommy says:

      Better that he remain anonymous.
      He’s been smart from the start.

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    • Dixie says:

      I have an observation to make about that Delaware business owner in Turkey who was wounded, but under the circumstances, I will keep it to myself.

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    • Thanks for the reminder Georgia, I just prayed for our Heavenly Father to place a hedge of protection around Sundance. I will go over to his twitter and see what’s happening too.
      The day before yesterday I even started praying in the Spirit against the House of Rothchilds. Podesta is another one. Push back the evil! Sometimes my Spirit just feels so big and powerful and wielding the Name of Jesus gives me the weaponry to do it!

      We should lift Sundance up in prayer every day, in addition to Trump and all the others who love America.

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  22. repsort says:

    Any plan to check and balance the power of another branch or agency assumes a certain amount of integrity on the part of the checkers. I guess that’s pretty much where our system is breaking down and crumbling before our eyes. Zero integrity throughout the Uniparty.

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    • Americat says:

      Is there any way the composition
      of this Intelligence Oversight Gang of 8
      can be… changed, redefined, limited, eliminated?

      Just because these people are elected
      does not mean they have good judgement, are smart,
      have integrity, or can keep their mouths shut.

      Seems impossible that this large number of people, 8…
      yikes 8 potential blabber mouths who all love power and love to talk…
      …impossible that they could keep major secrets
      and NOT leak them to media or other operatives…
      hmmm…operatives inside or outside of any particular project.

      This system seems FLAWED from inception!
      Again… any way to change this?

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      • Americat says:

        In fact… the more one thinks about it,
        these mere elected civilians, by definition,
        would seem to be not qualified to hold positions of power
        over our carefully selected and highly trained U.S. Intelligence services!

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        • WSB says:

          Considering the CIA is not described in the Constitution, I begin to question why we have 79% of anything in our Government.

          Liked by 3 people

          • singingsoul says:

            What President destroyed the old CIA anyone remember…? I am wondering that those CIA were white hats.. The next batch that came in might have been questionable.
            There might have been a reason to destroy the capability of CIA and then rebuild a different kind of organization..? I am just wondering. Something smells and is not right.
            I wonder if that is the time when everything changed for US and other interest infiltrated our government..?

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            • WSB says:

              OSS was started in WWII by FDR. But they were hardly an angelic group. Ironically, Julia Childs was the secretary to the head of the agency.

              I am reading Truman by McCollough but not at that chapter yet; however, my understanding is that Truman transformed the OSS into the CIA but was dismayed at the rate it morphed itself into a clandestine agency.

              I believe Carter defended much of the CIA and left Reagan to rebuild.

              Now, we face a festering virus within which must be purged. We may need to hire retirees and new recruits.

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  23. ZurichMike says:

    So why is John McCain and Miss Lindsey Graham the “go to” blabbermouths for all the news on intelligence stuff? Oh, never mind. That was an ironic rhetorical question.

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    • Joshua2415 says:

      Actually, that is an excellent question. While not formally a member of the intelligence gang of eight, John McCain did serve on the Senate Select Intelligence committee before, and is still listed as an “ex-officio”member. I’m sure that he knows everything the committe knows. Lindsey Graham is the Chairman of the Senate Appropriations subcommittee for the “Department of State, Foreign Operations and Related Programs”. Graham would be familiar with any funding requests for CIA operations anywhere in the world, including Libya and Syria.

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      • Bull Durham says:

        CIA directs the State Dept. budgets. Check out the Nuland budgets. 5 Billion Dollars spent on Ukraine to turn them into a nation of totally brainwashed Nazis who kill their own people because “the Russians have to be destroyed”. She does the same in East Europe, the Balkans, Central Asia, and Baltics. Big budgets for “democracy”. It’s used to buy snipers for the Maidan, snipers and assassinations in Donbass, paying for rigged elections, and coaxing local media in all these vassal states (with help from Soros).

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    • WSB says:

      Been scratching my head over that for years.

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    • They are on a different mission. Weapon contract and selling them to terririst! Different corruption!

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  24. Southern Son says:

    I’ll just say right here, right now, Anyone would be a Fool, Not to Trust SD’s Spidey Senses.
    1/20/2017, can’t come soon enuff!
    The Honorable (I Despise this title used Loosely) Jeff Sessions could benefit from our Prayers as much as President Trump.
    This bunch will try to protect their own.
    My spidey senses tell me, the Corruption is from Top to Bottom of our Whole System.
    Think SCJ Scalia, for reference.
    All White Hats are in DANGER!!
    Saving my hard rice, for hard times.

    #WAR!!

    Press ON!!!

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  25. BMG says:

    DJT is up against a powerhouse public and covert very dangerous, toxic Swamp. Now understanding the whyfores for his tapping Military and experienced patriotic Intelligence operatives to Cabinet and outside cabinet positions.

    Pray for their safety and their families safety.

    Tough times ahead.

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  26. don welch says:

    i would think we would want trump to be able to keep a lid on the world too.

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  27. Billy Jack Galt says:

    What an Oxymoron…..Congressional Intelligence

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  28. daughnworks247 says:

    I remember a reference to Intel Oversight being responsible or “on the hook” as a reason we did not get enough info out of Benghazi. It was when Mike Rogers resigned.

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  29. From the bottom up.

    Corrupt

    My grandfather teaching me when I was 16.

    West Texas but it is National and we all know it and have known it!

    The farm/ranch next to our family the owner elects long term County Commish..
    Grand dad loads me up in his pick up and as we drive over he says “we are going to ask him to let us borrow a very large expensive tool that he has. While we are in his tractor barn where all the tools are hung you observe the bright yellow paint on many of not all the large most expensive tools.

    We did , I observed.

    As we left I said wow lots of money to have all that now tell me what the yellow paint means!

    He said it is this way here, in every county, city, School Dist , every state and worse at the federal level.

    The tools came from the Catapeller dealer who won the contract to sell equipment to the county!
    It just goes up in the amount of the pay off the higher up you go.

    Never Forget this as you grow up and have to deal with this corruption!!!

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  30. 3x1 says:

    Who better to get dirt on than the Go8?

    Imagine if these jokers were guests of Epstein, or hung out at “pizza parties” with Podestas and such.

    Couple key committees and a SCOTUS member or three and an information holder could rule the country.

    The only thing left that can compromise a politician is pedophilia.

    Murder? Pshaw. Suicided people don’t make compelling witnesses.

    Violated kids on the other hand are guaranteed career-enders.

    Pizzagate was shut down for a reason. Other conspiracy discussions continue unabated. Why was only one singled out and spiked?

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    • redlegleader68 says:

      The only thing left that can compromise a politician is pedophilia.

      As the “honorable” Edwin Edwards once commented on his re-election chances: “The only way I lose is to get caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy.”

      Think about it …

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    • Sam says:

      Note that those involved never denied or refuted the content of the emails. They only went after whoever released them, supposedly Russia. This was supposed to remove credibility from the email content. It hasn’t.

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    • I agree with you about the pedophilia and Pizzagate, there are other aspects equally condemning and even worse:

      Like child ritual sacrifice, torture, eating flesh, necrophilia, bestiality, any of the bathroom fetishes, being a slave to a dominitrix (who makes them eat certain things, think toilets and cat boxes and things even worse), and even more bizarities, and other things I cannot type here would be too explicit. Or photos of them parading around in diapers and…

      After what I’ve seen and heard them doing in HOLLYWOOD, I think the DC perverts do the same except they hide it more.

      Pedophilia is way more prevalent than we even know and I believe is at epidemic proportions.

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  31. OP says:

    Then WHY did the CIA hack the senates emails, and in particular Pelosi?

    Liked by 2 people

    • Daniel says:

      To ensure loyalty and against leaking. The old “no honor among thieves” saying applies here. They may all be working together, but they are all interested in their own self interests.

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  32. Thank you for helping me understand this setup (pun intended) better.

    May our growing power through knowledge continue into this blessed and momentous New Year (and dear Lord, Justice for these traitors and evil doers!)

    I wonder if Bannon’s comment of us holding him/them accountable has anything to do with this article and what may be hitting the fan this year 🙄

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    • OP says:

      I think a huge stink bomb will come to light Tuesday or Wednesday as President Trump has promised…

      I think in short order, the CIA will murder Trump…

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      • georgiafl says:

        They may attempt to do so.

        May the Lord of Heaven stop them, expose them and punish them so blatantly that no one can deny His intervention. Amen.

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      • He shouldn’t have said anything ahead of time; people always do that, like Breitbart, and then they die.

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      • singingsoul says:

        OP “I think in short order, the CIA will murder Trump…”

        They will not get a change. The SS will take out who ever tried. Trump also has his own people protecting him.
        Should they ever succeed there will be civil war and the CIA will regret the day they try something like that.

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        • singingsoul says:

          Correction : chance not change

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        • Agree. Trump and his own people understand the danger and what is at stake.

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          • I saw a YT video of a young girl and her family sitting around in the reception area of Trump Tower. Trump stopped and spoke to her, giving a signature. He should not have this type of exposure to the public. He needs a special entrance/exit tube made of special material that goes all the way to the vehicle – and has another part layered above it.

            No chances.

            Take care, President Trump. You don’t need to win over anyone now…you need to stay safe for posterity. It is THE single most important thing to focus on.

            Don’t enter the White House to stay until a special operative has completely examined walls for listening devices or dangers.

            God keep our President safe every day of his life and protect from all attacks.

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        • BEWARE IN THE AIR: On March 4, 2016 at 5:55am EST I had a vision a plane shot something at Trump’s plane. I have not heard anyone mention anything about what could be done to him in the AIR. Everyone is always focusing on bullets on the ground. But anyone that knows the CLINTONS’ method of operation should also consider AIRPLANES.

          camulla says:
          November 29, 2016 at 1:09 pm
          I didn’t want to post this, but all the team should look into and get escort planes so that something like that doesn’t happen.

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      • missmarple2 says:

        It is unhelpful to spread fear and discouragement. Trump knows the danger and is well-protected. I imagine that is why he is Mar-a-Lago right now.

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        • Actually, if I had not seen this in a vision I would not even mention it because for any other circumstance I take an extreme optimist view. But it is something we should be diligent to pray about. Because we are dealing with those who often murder. Prayer is very powerful, but to ignore is not. Do not worry, do not fear, but pray and trust in God.

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      • We must pray and take Spiritual authority in the Name of Jesus so that doesn’t happen. We did this to thwart the cheating during the election and it was very successful. Trump’s entire campaign has been miracle after miracle.

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  33. OP says:

    Inquiry by C.I.A. Affirms It Spied on Senate Panel
    By MARK MAZZETTI and CARL HULSE
    JULY 31, 2014

    After reading what Sundance provided on today’s thread, I went back and found this….it is chilling to read, in light of what we know about the hacking, blaming Russia and CIA (cya) lies and cover ups…

    Chilling…

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  34. It is becoming more readily apparent by the day that we have little to no representation and there are no checks or balances. Makes me want to vomit.

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  35. Don L says:

    I’d feel better with eight people from a random pick off the streets of America than giving such authority to some of these characters.

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  36. psadie says:

    Here is the Congressional Switchboard #202-224-3121 to call your House Reps. and DEMAND they VOTE NO on PAUL RYAN for Speaker…they vote mid-January. Someone kindly gave out the number on this site and I am passing it along for Ryan MUST GO!!!

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  37. I keep going back to the movie ‘Argo’ and the news clip of the Iranian woman saying, “The CIA is the biggest terrorist organization of them all.” – At least I think she said CIA it could have been one of our other three letter acronym organizations that she said in the comment. When ever that scene came up, my husband would say, “Yes they are.” And I would disagree with him. At least for back then during the Iran hostage crisis. But now I’m wondering how far the corruption goes back in the CIA. And that statement by that Iranian woman could very well be 100% true.

    It leaves a bitter taste in my mouth when you consider this to be true. There is so much clean up that needs to be done in our government and government agencies.

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    • CIA in Laos during Vietnam

      Follow the drug gangs and the rise of sales and addiction in the U S A.

      Lt. Gen. Lewis M. Walt demanding the CI A stop selling direct or via the people they supplied drugs to his Marines as it was getting his men KIA.

      It is of some note that LBJ replaced Walt soon after with Lt Gen Cushman who had been just prior assigned for some time to the CI A.

      The truth is there in the record but the corrupt cult with the full cooperation of the co-corrupt media hide it in plain sight.

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      • Bull Durham says:

        By 1970, the CIA drug trade had hooked 40% of troops in ‘Nam.

        Check our Richard Secord, Richard Armitage (yes, him, hero of the Bushs), Armitage’s brother, the Nugan Hand Bank, and then the flow of that operation to Central America, switched to cocaine, and Ollie North’s guns for drugs with Iran right out of the basement of the White House (NSC). Secord hooks up with the Savak in Iran, and their excesses causes the Iranian revolution when a theatre with 600 people locked inside burns up everyone in a fire.

        Golden Triangle drugs operation moved to the Central American wars, and cocaine passing through Panama (Noriega) to Florida and Arkansas. (Jeb and Bill).

        All these guys were part of the Bush, Zapata Oil, Blonde Ghost (Ted Shackley) Miami CIA Station moved to SE Asia, CIA trail of operatives including Bush’s top operatives. It went from Miami to SE Asia to Central America to Iran. Then all of the top guys enter DC posts in CIA, Defense or State and WH. That’s how it goes.

        Where is Armitage? Follow his long career and you will see the drug trade and the trail of fire and chaos around the world.

        Bush 41’s career goes back further. Follow his career and you have war after war after war. All CIA hellholes and filled with drugs.

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        • FofBW says:

          It is all about the money

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          • lawrencepaul1 says:

            It’s always all about the money.
            The CIA has been funding itself with drug money for decades.
            Now is is heroin from Afghans record poppy harvests.

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            • FofBW says:

              Excuse me…..BAST-RDS!

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              • lawrencepaul1 says:

                Well just about everything that they do is illegitimate so there’s that.

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              • They are DEVILS actually. No one with a heart could do what they do and know what they know and not stop it. Child trafficking pays even more than the drug trade and with all their wars they have ample supply of kids. Even Hillary’s buddies were caught trying to smuggle 30+ children out of HAITI. And that was just one that got caught. Hillary and Bill fixed it for them. But what of all the other hundreds if not thousands of times they’ve done it before?

                THEY ARE DEVILS! No longer inhabited by a human soul, completely REPROBATE.

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        • I read the book “Doublecross” by SAM GIANCANA’S BROTHER, tells of the sex trade during the Vietnam war and babies selling for $1.00 (one dollar). I guess the mafia is the only ones that dare to mention the pedophila and pedosadism, but it was rampart. Probably all the other subsequent wars and today too. It’s odd and curious why no one mentions it, just like how Pizzagate is being shoved under the carpet.

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  38. burnett044 says:

    if America is to fall it will surely be an Inside Job….the fog of corruption is thick..the smoke and mirrors are baffling….
    some still believe that JFK was killed by a lone gunman….that jet fuel brought down the world trade center buildings….that Allah is God and not Satan….
    some still thing that re-electing the same damn people 95% of them election after election things will change…..
    I thank my God for people like georgiafl that question every thing..

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  39. Joe Knuckles says:

    I believe Adam Schiff had the most punchable face I have ever seen. Can’t stand that little turd.

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  40. Trump’s ACE for bringing Congress to heel in support of our Agenda:

    Declassifying what this gang knew and sanctioned … a bit at a time.

    Revealing these CONGRESSIONAL GANGBANGERS riding dirty on our Country.

    Retaining the killer Hold Cards that would bring them all down.

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    • quintrillion says:

      TRUMP did say we would have a new government of, by and for the people.

      So much of this unconstitutional system must go for that to happen. God’s grace and mercy be upon us as we work it out.

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  41. The Framers intended the Legislative branch to act as a check and balance on the Executive branch. The Senate, originally elected by state electors, would represent the varied interests of the states as independent political entities. The House would more broadly represent the interests of the people across the various regions and localities. However, with the rise of the mega federal government and it’s administrative state, and the burgeoning national security state-the legislative branch has been compromised by shirking it’s original representative function. Instead legislators become tools of the administrative and national security state.

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  42. FofBW says:

    The few post by Sundance has done wonders for getting my blood pressure up. We must consider the power we here at CTH do have. According to Sundance there were OVER 150M visitors to CTH last year. That is a yuge! When Sundance post revealing jaw dropping information, we can exercise our influence her on CTH and forward these post to everyone we know.

    Something to consider.

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  43. truthandjustice says:

    I didn’t know about the”Gang of Eight” but I did know that the CIA was very dangerously corrupt and behind numerous horrible crimes/wars/treason. So it makes sense you must have those who are complicit/puppets who are in “oversight” of it. All important federal agencies like this are corrupt. They have to be to be able to continue in their evil agendas.
    This, just as all the other stuff we discuss here that’s corrupt needs to be spread via social media, etc. as much as we can.
    Yes, I’m sure Trump knows. But even he has said things are worse than he thought — indeed – extremely deep and wide – so much that most don’t even believe it. “They” use that also in continuing and just demonize anyone who tries to get the truth out about it – either that and/or “eradicate” them. You know, like the mafia.
    It’s worked great all these years but now is the time we have the tools (internet, social media) to expose it and correct. Ex CIA people have said how much it needs to be cleaned out but it’s a huge task; lives at risk. We need God’s intervention in all this, just as we did with his election, etc. The battle never ends. We can’t “rest” – keep on getting the truth out and supporting who we should.
    When you Google CIA corruption you’ll find plenty out there – while we can. Here’s just two:

    https://socioecohistory.wordpress.com/2014/11/03/secret-history-cia-drug-smuggling-un-aired-documentary/

    http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/secrets-of-the-cia/

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  44. LKA in LA says:

    Feinstein and Hillary had lunch a few weeks ago and Feinstein was sympathetic to her lost cause. I hope they both fade into the sunset soon. Traitors. Feinstein wanted her to win so the cover up could continue.

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  45. redlegleader68 says:

    I hope this isn’t off topic (I don’t think so) but I thought I’d offer this quick link as a bit more background on this subject. Although it’s found on a notable GOPe site, the content is very serious. Also, please note the bio on Edward Jay Epstein.

    I’ve ALWAYS considered Snowden a complete and certified Traitor to our country. Of the docs he stole -and as noted by Epstein in the interview embedded in the article- is the revelation that 90% of his take has not been “publically” disclosed.

    Wonder what’s in the undisclosed stash?? (paging Sen McCain and Sen Graham – phone call for you!)

    EPSTEIN BLOWS THE WHISTLE ON SNOWDEN

    http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2016/12/epstein-blows-the-whistle-on-snowden.php

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  46. freddy says:

    Whenever you get a strong smell of BS you’ll find Ryan…What is scary is Schiff. He is un hinged and a loose cannon out for Trumps hide………So when McCain holds hearings which are really setting up Trump for impeachment he will have carte blanche……….With this lineup Trump is nearly hog tied………This fake story of election hacking is winning and Spicer is not fighting back with facts to stop this narrative. It’s working..I watched NBC news…They are repeating lies but it’s working…Get some people to rebutt these fake hit jobs Trump. More than Katrina. Get some seasoned guys out there now……..

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    • FofBW says:

      I suppose the question is, working on who? Those that already are predisposed to believe? Which as a group is probably the minority in this country based on the election.
      I for one choose not to watch the psy-ops MSM and get gaslighted. I get everything I need right here at CTH.

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    • singingsoul says:

      Spicer is letting NBC develop their narrative and Trump will squash it Tuesday or Wednesday. How can they squash the NBC narrative if they do not get the intel untll Tuesday or Wednesday…?
      Trump is smarter than they are one does not spout off without able to prove the facts. Spicer knows that also and therefore does a great job..

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  47. Travis McGee says:

    These “Intelligence Committees” are never held accountable. They only exist to point fingers at others than themselves. Cyber Security? How many years have they been saying we need it. When something major happens they hide behind the tired “we need a thorough investigation” BS and nothing is ever resolved. I hope Trump can outsmart and out maneuver the uniparty obstructionists. I think he can.

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  48. Texmom says:

    “Spidey senses” are important. Whenever I have had a weird feeling about a story or politician that didn’t quite add up, there always ended up being a reason.
    All of this makes me think of two stories that still have me questioning, and lots more to these stories. One is Petreus and the strange Jill Kelley and her sister in Tampa (these two are very suspect to me). The other is Beau Bergdahl, with his perhaps pre-planned desertion and his dad’s very odd alliance with the Muslims and commie writer from the UK. Much more to these and so many other stories.

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  49. darth641 says:

    Great Article. However, the “Gang of Eight” has absolutely no operational authority in intelligence matters. Period. Full Stop. Catch me offline for details.

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