New Orlando Terrorist Details – Omar Mateen Purchased Family Airline Tickets Day Before…

From the outset our research has pointed in the direction that Omar Mateen was committing an act of Jihad terrorism targeting a facility/venue he knew well, Pulse Nightclub.   Nothing about the event, or the preparatory behavior prior to the attack, held the appearance of a pure suicide mission.  The possibility of getting caught or killed obviously part of the process – but the preferred objective was to exit and escape.

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Early on it simply appeared he intended to walk in, shoot and kill as many as possible, and then exit within less than a minute.  His plan was foiled by the off-duty security (fully uniformed police officer) who engaged Mateen and forced his way back into the nightclub.

As further evidence toward that end it is revealed Mateen pre-purchased three airline tickets for himself, his wife and his son the day prior to the shooting for use the day following the shooting.

When you add in the fact his mother was the first one to identify her 29-year-old son had not returned home, an increasingly clear picture emerges that the family knew of the entire terror attack, at least the broad outlines, including the escape plan.

orlando noor(Via CNN) […] The gunman paid the entry fee, obtained a wrist band, and entered the club, the officials said. Investigators believe he may have been checking the club security. Surveillance video, cell phone tracking along with witness interviews have helped the FBI to build a timeline of his whereabouts on the night of the attack. But they are still working to determine what he was doing for a two-hour period between when he left the club and returned.

The day before, he had bought three plane tickets for him, his wife, Noor Salman, and child to travel from West Palm Beach to San Francisco in July. Investigators don’t know why, if he was planning an attack, he made travel plans.

When the gunman left his home Saturday in Fort Pierce about a two-hour drive away from Orlando, he was angry and he carried a bag with his guns, his wife has told investigators. (read more)

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Occam’s Razor – Noor Zahi Salman obviously knew of the airline tickets.  She knew of him leaving, and she knew the intended target – she took him there previously.  Everything his wife has stated after the event should be dismissed as trying to give the impression of not knowing, because every fact related to this terror attack points to her direct involvement.

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297 Responses to New Orlando Terrorist Details – Omar Mateen Purchased Family Airline Tickets Day Before…

  1. cheri54 says:

    SAN FRAN would be attack number two

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    • Triumphant Trump says:

      Her family lives in Rodeo, CA about 20 minutes away, so maybe just taking the family home to hide.

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      • jmclever says:

        OR he bought three to cover the fact that he only intended to provide safety for the wife and child. Remember, they gave their house away before the attack too

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        • srr says:

          Muslims are sort of like super rich computer nerds who somehow beat their smarter and harder working partners to super richness (and stick the rest of us with crappy, Big Brothery versions of ‘private’ public communications that the smarter, harder working guys wouldn’t have), but also somehow, can’t leave their money to their kids – in other words, they are only agents, fronts, names and faces to hate and blame, and funded with what it takes to play their parts in The Big Game.

          ‘Their’ money isn’t theirs. It’s Their Puppet Masters.

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          • flyingtigercomics says:

            “I see the puppet… Where is the puppetmaster?”

            as the old man in Hellboy said.

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          • Janie M. says:

            srr, someone over at another site, or perhaps here, had said he was making $10-something an hour as a security guard, don’t know how accurate that statement was. I also saw an article over at Fox News (other outlets have the story as well) that Mateen bought $9,000 worth of jewelry days before the attack. His weapons/ammo were also costly. So one can only assume he was also being supported by his father/family and they had knowledge about the impending attack. But, of course, they will fake ignorance. Yes, it was a family affair.

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            • greenmakescents says:

              I would like to know where they kept all of their equipment. That two bedroom apartment looked tidy and well kept. Couldn’t imagine her keeping it around a child. I read where he made $1,800 a month, still can’t afford all that at those wages.

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              • Janie M. says:

                greenmakescents, I had the same thought with regard to keeping the “equipment” in their apartment with a 3 year old. There is the possibility, his parents or siblings (if they had no children) kept it in their homes. Of course, if that was the case, that information will never see the light of day. With regard to his income, perhaps, he had invested in cattle futures, like killary. /s.

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                • greenmakescents says:

                  Or he unloaded all his G4S stock prior to the event. Hm, not sure if I meant that to be sarcastic or not.

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            • stargirl says:

              and who paid for his two trips to saudi arabia?

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            • boutis says:

              Muslims run up credit card bills and skip out on them all the time. It is a real big problem in the UK with Muslims who come as students. They cannot deny them credit based on their religion, etc. They go on spending binges right before they leave. Africans do it too. Some who are very wealthy are especially adept at this type of fraud.

              This murdering terrorist buying expensive airline tickets, jewelry, weapons, and transferring this habitation are very much in line the usual fraud being acceptable because it is against infidels. It would have been a lot more if he had more credit.

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              • Janie M. says:

                Well, boutis, I hope since UK credit card companies/banks are forced to give them credit that those are low lines. I’m still thinking his parents (father) were funding him. I believe some articles have indicated he was wealthy and had acquired a number of properties.

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            • lou Ann Watson says:

              he bought a sig tactical rifle…pricey. many other cheaper choices…someone else’s money for sure. mosque, father?

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            • Chewbarkah says:

              Sources of Omar $. We know he sold the condo for cash. The $100 or $10 shown on the Quitclaim Deed is just boilerplate language to establish receipt of valuable consideration. I assume he got some shekels on the side. Or as others suggest, he simply ran up credit card bills knowing he about to skip.

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      • Mike says:

        Drop baby momma off at the in-laws. Then go for the grand finale at the SF gay bars, or Disneyland.

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    • maiingankwe says:

      If so, he would have had to aquired another semi-automatic. I’d think it’d be awfully balsy to travel with the same rifle he had used at Pulse.

      Jeez, so that’s why his mom called to see what was taking him so darn long. I couldn’t figure that part out and have stated it before. Thank goodness for CTH because I’m certainly not a very good sleuth. My mind just isn’t wired that way, and you know what? That’s okay.

      I’m thinking with the FBI, and all of their experience have figured this out too, and if they don’t have the courts throw the book at the wife and family then I know we don’t have a chance with hc or any other either.

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  2. Ryan says:

    ‘Speaking of the suspect killed in the Pulse Bar massacre in Florida, Howell stated, “Omar was not suppose to be killed. They lied to us – Omar and Brandy were suppose to get away.”’

    http://getoffthebs.com/five-suspects-involved-in-planned-attacks/
    http://archive.is/OKDfR

    I’m not sure about this source, but this piece of information at least seems to check out.

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    • auscitizenmom says:

      This makes more sense to me than the other story we have been told.

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    • jakeandcrew says:

      Howell stated that he had hooked up with Omar and the others through an online course, “Fundamental Islamic Knowledge Seminary”. The teacher is Marcus Dwayne Robertson, aka Abu Taubah, an all around Islamic bad guy (see http://365usanews.com/u-s-news/authorities-reveal-new-bombshell-about-orlando-shooters-terror-ties/).

      When Howell was questioned about how he and his conspirators knew each other, he said that,

      “We were all familiar with each other through an online fundamental Islamic knowledge seminary course[1] – we were recruited through the course and trained together at a camp in Virginia – we were taught how to shoot and make bombs – everyone knew their part – something went wrong….”

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    • srr says:

      There was also the guy interviewed after the murders, who played dead, and said he heard Mateen talking on the phone, and saying that he [Mateen] was “the fourth shooter”.

      Sure the redacted/un-redacted TRANSCRIPIT became news, but what about The AUDIO and The Rest of his Call Logs?

      From the get go, Michael savage said that the “TAPES” weren’t being produced (or even asked for, by the ObamaOwnedMEDIA), and wouldn’t be until doctored, if at all.

      Even a ‘lone wolf’ with a couple of wolves in the family, is manageable for the Soros/Obama Media, but a Large, STILL ACTIVE, Cell of American Muslims, planning and carrying out Multiple Attacks … hell, if people start to digest the reality of that … hell …

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      • Robert says:

        The Fed was outside for three hours. You can’t tell me they didn’t have a Stinger set up intercepting cellular communications there. They know exactly what was said and to who.

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    • Ono says:

      I bet if Loretta Lynch witnessed a couple dozen Kamikaze pilots dive bombing into a battleship killing unsuspecting sailors she would be at a loss as to why?

      Anytime an ideology places no value on human life you can bet that they have a good propaganda program in place to influence the patsy’s to sign up for a “Virgin Air” Vacation.

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    • Totally Domestic says:

      I think this Howell guy let the cat out of the bag! Omar wasn’t supposed to get killed.
      Air tickets prove that.

      I haven’t read this whole thread, but according to Gateway Pundit
      BO in an interview on NPR just before the Orlando shooting brought up a terrorist fitting Omar’s M O, being able to buy a gun to commit terrorist acts & due to gun laws FBI couldn’t stop him from purchasing them. So, BO started harping on gun regulations BEFORE this terrorist attacked! What an amazing coinsidence!/sarc.

      I will go find the link.

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    • Jimmy Jack says:

      Just read this. Thanks for sharing. This is the stuff of nightmares. This isn’t just fringe conspiracy theorists talking smack – this is the participants themselves telling us what is happening and now some CIA people (Lopez) are confirming it.

      I wonder if the Trump assassin attempt guy Sandford was one of the five shooters Howell was talking about. He went to San Bernadino first. That makes 3 confirmed shooters/attempted shooters/explosive holders going to or in CA at the same time. Sateen to SF, Sanford to SB, and Howell to LA.

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  3. Sentient says:

    Devil’s advocate, here: Knowing he’d been interviewed by the FBI 2-3 times and that he’d just purchased the guns, might he have bought himself a plane ticket thinking it would throw the gov’t off of his trail? I’m reaching, here, obviously. Also, that would presuppose a level of awareness on the part of the government that seems unwarranted.

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  4. chowgirl says:

    So, I’m not convinced people died here. Did 49 Americans really die? Was this a FF or not?
    There’s too much disinfo!

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    • That’s just it… with a totalitarian “government” and the lap/attack dog enemedia already in place for the “new” world order globalist scum, how are we supposed to ever know what is real or fiction anymore?

      We don’t because we aren’t. We are supposed to simply “buy” everything that “they” tell us.

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      • Andrew B says:

        Sure, this would be simple–we only have to get the entire Orlando PD (more than 800 people) and the Fire Department (roughly an equal number) and all their families to go along with the charade. And every employee of every hospital within 5 miles. And the families of the 103 victims. And all their friends, neighbors and acquaintances. And the governments of Orlando, Orange County, the State of Florida and the United States. I would guess, in round terms, you would only need to bring a half a million people into your false flag conspiracy. Should be a snap.

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        • All that would be needed for a “false flag” event would be one madman willing to murder people for his “religion” and a government that did have information on his insanity, including the many threats made that simply ignores them and allows him to “do his thing”. It’s not complicated.

          Why did they ignore his threatening behavior? That is the question.

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          • paris23 says:

            Yes, this is according to my thinking also – and also that of the folks at Infowars, who are always quick to spot government involvement. Obama has done everything he can to make it possible for such attacks to go forward unimpeded. That IS the false flag dimension of this event. The outcome is the same in that they use the event to attempt push forward with their power grab, just as they would following a fake event.

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          • Jimmy Jack says:

            Or someone who thought they were using dummy rounds for a drill.

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        • susiepuma says:

          Things that make one go hmmmmmmm?? Heard Lynch answer a question from a ‘reporter’ today and in her answer she mentioned that FEMA & the rest of the crew – DHS, FBI, CIA – whatever – did a drill over a year ago and it was exactly this episode that happened in Orlando (the drill was also in Orlando)……I wonder if that remark was deliberate or a slip of the forked tongue???

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    • Paco Loco says:

      Your not alone. Where’s the list of names of the victims, dead and survivors. Where’s the interviews with the survivors in the hospital? Has there been any funeral coverage by the MSM? What about the autopsies? Coroners reports, Crime sene photos, etc?

      Liked by 4 people

      • SharonKinDC says:

        I watched survivor interviews w/ 2 at the hospital who took in 1 dozen vics. Lists of the dead have appeared in several publications w/ quotes from family/friends for a majority of the victims. Free to think what you want, but a cursory internet search would have provided this info. PS: The Coroner was also interviewed.

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        • stella says:

          I agree. Why do people always want to make crap up?

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          • Guest says:

            I don’t think people want to make crap up. The problem is there have been so many outrageous and unthinkable lies and cover ups by our government/MSM that people have become conditioned to question everything which is probably not a bad thing.

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            • Lucille says:

              Question, yes, but flights of fancy! Cool heads need to prevail. Monster-sized conspiracy theories do nothing more than scare the populace and fit directly into the Left’s playbook quite nicely in assisting the dumbing-down of Americans.

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              • Guest says:

                I have not seen anything here that is unreasonable or “monster-sized flights of fancy.” That’s a bit of hyperbole on your part. It is important to question when something doesn’t add up. You don’t always have the benefit of all the facts which is why it’s important to piece together inconsistencies, clues, and obvious falsehoods to get at the facts. If you don’t care for it, just skip over the comment. No need to clobber or silence others. We don’t want to wake up to certain realities after it’s too late to do anything about it.

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            • stella says:

              I gently disagree. People make up conspiracy theories about all kinds of things, without much justification: JFK assassination, 9/11/01, Sandy Hook, moon landing, etc etc.

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              • PatriotKate says:

                How do you know none of those are true? As an example, there have been dozens of books researched and written about JFK, including deathbed confessions and that one is a clear conspiracy. Very little doubt about that one when one wades through all the evidence. In fact, that’s how I think all of this started. They had a successful coup and found out they could get away with it.

                I’d hazard a guess that most of the events are psyops. It can still be a FF even when people are killed. Just because it’s called a FF doesn’t mean people did not die. But, an FF is designed to help them achieve an objective.

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                • stella says:

                  You’re one of them. Please. If you have evidence (real evidence), then present it. Otherwise, it is better to be quiet. CTH is for discovering facts, not floating conspiracy theories.

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                • Guest says:

                  With all respect, who are you to go around censoring others and telling them to stay quiet? To say that people should stay silent unless they have a smoking gun is ludicrous and rude and sounds like something a progressive would say. So does a comment like “you’re one of them.” That kind of stuff is what has no place on this site. I appreciate the comments here and find them to have value.

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                • stella says:

                  Well, I’ve been an admin here since 2011. The subject of this thread is Orlando. One of the posting rules is sticking to the topic. Sorry you don’t like what I said. It stands.

                  Liked by 2 people

                • stella says:

                  btw, she is “one of them”, meaning a conspiracy theorist.

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                • lorac says:

                  guest, fyi, you’re speaking to a moderator of the website.

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                • singtune says:

                  Exactly Patriot Kate~! People do get Killed in these psyops & a number of these were FF~!

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            • stella says:

              Forgot – Princess Diana death conspiracy, Titanic conspiracy …

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              • PatriotKate says:

                Also extremely well researched and good evidence on both of these.

                If you don’t think these are real, I’d suggest some research. Once you figure it out, you see all the signs and then look at what their objectives are. Looks like more people are traveling down the rabbit hole – that’s a good thing. Because of my years of research, the moment Sandy Hook happened, I knew it was a FF. Then Boston, etc. All the subsequent research was mind-blowing.

                The sad reality is most of what we have been taught or believe happened is a gigantic lie. History will have to be re-written when all the truth emerges.

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                • stella says:

                  There really is no place for this here. We are discussing Orlando. If you have facts to present, then do so.

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                • Margaret-Ann says:

                  I’ve always thought you, Puddy and others should have a -mod after your names. Maybe even a pale, pale pink or blue background to your posts like, SD. I’m skeered-straight of all of you, as is 😉 but some type of additional identity might help.

                  With that said, lol, THANKS for all that y’all do. 😀

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                • stella says:

                  We get the pale blue behind our comments when we are the originator of the post. No need to be skeered!

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                • Margaret-Ann says:

                  I had not noticed the difference in original versus reply posts. THX

                  Yeah, I need to stay skeered-straight, so I behave here 😉

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              • Guest says:

                Stellla, this is in response to your comment above. It won’t let me reply so I’m replying here. You said the rule is to stay on topic which is Orlando. The original commenter you laid into WAS talking about Orlando. It was you who digressed into a rant about 9/11, JFK, et al. If you are an admin, you should identify yourself as an admin and could employ a bit more tact and respect for your readers and help foster an environment of civility, and should not encourage a spate of other comments that are juvenile and ad hominem. The larger issue is that we must get Trump elected and get our country out of this nightmare. The more we stick together and maintain a collegial community the better. I see you’re now deleting comments out of spite which is exactly what liberal sites do. I won’t be back. You’ve just put taint on the Trump movement for no good reason. Congrats.

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                • stella says:

                  This is the only reply you will get. First, I didn’t delete anything – out of spite, or otherwise. Another admin put you on the moderated list. Frankly, you should read your own comments and ask yourself how many times you have called someone a name or scolded them – as you did with me. You aren’t a moderator; it isn’t your job, and yet you kept doing it. I believe you were warned about that before. Have fun and DLTDHYITAOTWO.

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            • stella says:

              Check out this one:

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              • TheLastDemocrat says:

                How can a FLAT planet be hollow?

                And as this rescue goes on – ever wonder why the Antarctic is totally dark? This proves it all. Flat earth. Yet another UN conspiracy.

                Just when the truth starts to come out, there happens to be a “rescue.” But in total darkness – they learned their lesson from faking the Apollo landing, and the green screen behind Daley Plaza – the less to be seen, the better.

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            • stella says:

              Area 51, Roswell aliens …

              ADD: Most shameful, those who say that the holocaust was a hoax.

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      • stella says:

        The list of victims was (probably still is) on the internet – local Orlando paper, etc. There are at least two victims from my state who were visiting the Orlando area.

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      • susiepuma says:

        Kinda reminds one of Sandy Hook….remember that one…..the school and all the children – one thing to remember – that school was closed down and not being used until the ‘event’ happened…..oh, oh…..and another thing – some of the so-called dead victims have appeared alive since then ….. must’ve been a miracle

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    • Michelle says:

      Even if people did die, it could still be a set up FF event.

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      • Yep, the globalist psychopaths have never had any regard for human life. Just look how many millions are killed in the endless military industrial complex warring. Of course, I am as others are often called a nutter in need of a tin foil hat. Whatever… nothing ever adds up.

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        • singtune says:

          Totally Agree~~”the human condition”~! These Globalist’s have NEVER had “Any Regard” for Life~! They Will do “Anything” to get to their EVIL Goals~! {& they have done so}

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    • doit4atlas says:

      I really need to see pictures from inside the club…where are they? We saw pics of Boston bombing from cell phones etc. Paris attacks had pics of the bodies inside the theater, Charlie Hebdo attacks, etc. why no pics??? What the hell is going on here???

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      • fleporeblog says:

        Has anyone seen a single picture from Sandy Hook, CT? No! They didn’t allow any paramedics into the school. They didn’t call for the medavac helicopter. Not a single family has sued the district or state. I could go on and on. Go to YouTube and type in Sandy Hook Hoax. You will be shocked.

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        • PatriotKate says:

          No they did not sue the district or state, but they sure think they have a payday by suing the gun manufacturer, Bushmaster, even though the gun they manufacture is the one that was in the trunk of his car and was apparently not fired. Judge just recently allowed suit to go forward

          Gun control agenda.

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      • stella says:

        We shouldn’t be seeing any pictures pending investigation. I believe there are cell phone videos/pics on the internet, but there is no reason why police should share anything with the public at this point.

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      • ediegrey says:

        I would like to see an exact timeline of the whole horrible event. I just do not understand why they waited over 3 hours to take him out.

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    • Anon says:

      I can’t answer if it was a FF, but my wife and I were shopping at our local mall in Orlando and they had a memorial up for the manager of a store that was killed in the attack. It was very heartbreaking (it hits you a lot more when it is a person and not a number). People died.

      With that said, I think a lot of real people died on 9/11 and that was the FF of the century. These clowns do not care if they kill people. In their warped little minds they are making us ‘safer’ and anyone killed is ‘collateral damage’.

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    • WSB says:

      Am I missing something or are there no personal stories about the victims? I’ve seen one. From the restroom.

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    • Deb says:

      This is a stupid statement.

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      • Sandra says:

        Totally. And I’m afraid people like that give this web site a bad name. Visitors come here and see conspiracy crap and think we’re all nuts.

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        • lilbirdee'12 says:

          It’s really sad. I miss the old days at the Treehouse when posters gave intelligent and FACT based information.

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        • joleeinca says:

          I agree Sandra, it makes this site lose credibility in the eyes of others. Not to mention fodder for the liberals to repost and feed their narrative that all Trump supporters are nuts.

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    • Ad rem says:

      Speaking of “conspiracies’….why have you felt it necessary to use three different usernames on our site?

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    • Jimmy Jack says:

      I tend to believe they did chowgirl. If you look at the reactions of family members of Pulse compared to Sandy Hook there is no comparison. The Pulse relatives are devastated, clearly states of shock. The doctor from the hospital at the press conferences also seemed to be legitimately stunned as well. People died – the real question about the “false flag” angle is who knew what, when did they know it and who put this together. At the very least there appears to be a cell operating and this administration is covering it up and denying it.

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  5. John Galt says:

    Omar called somebody after being declined body armor and bulk ammo in the gun store. 99% that whoever he called is an accomplice.

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  6. yakmaster2 says:

    His wife didn’t seem to have a problem with anything hubby did. Gay nightclubs? Fine. Out at all hours? Fine. America hater? Fine. Radical Islamist? Fine.
    Since she stayed with him, then being treated as property must have been fine with her too—and with both families. Her parents say she has learning disabilities, etc. but they seemed to have turned a blind eye to their son-in-law’s character and disposition. NOW they want a pity party.

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    • auscitizenmom says:

      I think this is what we are going to find with muslim families. After all, women are brought up to think they don’t matter.

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    • TheseTruths says:

      Her not having problems with all that is in line with a marriage of convenience for the cause, and her own complicity.

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    • jmclever says:

      Look at her eyes in the picture that is going around. There is intelligence there. Learning disability is just to remove culpability.

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      • greenmakescents says:

        Smart enough to help him run around doing errands like., scope out places, buy ammunition, take care of a child, take selfies of herself and look pretty,etc. . Guaranty no mentally challenged woman is going to look the way she did.

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    • uvaldegirl says:

      Learning disabilities? If being the Islamic Kim Kardashian (by looks and stupid selfie expressions) is being learning disabled, okay. But I bet she is of fine mental faculty.

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      • WSB says:

        Only the usual inbreeding.

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      • NJF says:

        The learning disability thing is a joke. My daughter was “classified” as a youngster due to being premature & low birth weight.

        Recognized “learning disabilities” by most school districts.

        Dyslexia
        Dysgraphia
        Dyscalculia
        Dyspraxia (Sensory Integration Disorder)
        Nonverbal Learning Disability
        CAPD (Central Auditory Processing Disorder)
        Visual Processing Disorder
        ADD or ADHD (Attention Deficit Disorder)
        Autism

        The majority of these are classifications which target weakness in a child’s learning abilities, and they definitly do not necessarily coincide with below average IQ. Austism is clearly a very different situation.

        Additionally, many school districts jump at the chance to “classify” a child bc it literally is a cash cow for the school district.

        Hell there is even a trend toward parents pushing to get their kid classified bc they believe Johnny will gain an edge bc of the extra help. My point being, Austism & Aspergers are pretty much the only classifications that would be relevant.

        They are trying to paint a picture that she was taken advantage of by her husband. It’s BS.

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    • Deb says:

      I read an article saying she was in full time special Ed classes. That means she had some pretty severe cognitive disabilities. She was too stupid to question anything and just did what she was told.

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      • mickie says:

        I read somewhere that she is a college graduate.

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      • jeans2nd says:

        “That means she had some pretty severe cognitive disabilities.”
        I do not think that is entirely true, Deb. They used to be called Educable Mentally Retarded (EMR), meaning they had every ability to learn, just more slowly and obviously not subjects like nuclear physics. My mom was an EMR teacher. Her greatest joy was the students she was able to move into regular classes.

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      • Jimmy Jack says:

        ESL classes may be classified as Special Education in some districts. And no, full time in Special Education does not necessarily indicate severe cognitive disabilities; it can also include EBD which is emotionally and behaviorally disturbed having nothing to do with cognitive ability.

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    • AdamSelene says:

      It fits the pattern we saw with San Bernardino. Internet mail-order bride from jihadi-harmony.com, bears the killer offspring, has money to fly to Saudi Arabia and buy lots of expensive weapons, wife helps plan the attacks, there ya go. Twice we can call a coincidence. There’s going to be more attacks in the future. We’ll see if they fit the same pattern.

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      • NJF says:

        Lol Jihadi-Harmony.com

        I wouldn’t be surprised if it actually does exist

        I mean they have a frigging app for jihadi toddlers, so the idea of “get your virgin, get your virgin here” doesn’t seem to be outside the realm of possibility n

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      • NJF says:

        Lol Jihadi-Harmony.com

        I wouldn’t be surprised if it actually does exist

        I mean they have a frigging app for jihadi toddlers, so the idea of “get your virgin, get your virgin here” doesn’t seem to be outside the realm of possibility

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  7. why have they not arrested his wife yet?

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  8. John Galt says:

    “he was angry and he carried a bag with his guns, his wife has told investigators.”

    Spontaneous unexplained anger — is that the story she’s going with?

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    • Scocope says:

      “he was angry” Sure sounds like he was getting mentally prepared for a martyrdom operation; I doubt very many terrorists begin them with jokes and laughter.

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    • AdamSelene says:

      Leftists are trying to blame this on some kind of repressed gay anger. Can you imagine if Republicans blamed the actions of a violent gay person on “repressed homorage?” Why haven’t we see this murderous homorage before, ever?

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  9. Bull Durham says:

    So yesterday, the FBI fed Judge Napolitano a crock. He said all the shooting was done at the end, three hours into the siege. Today, he danced away from it.

    Like all the Islamic terror instances, we have all the “facts” scrambled and confused so no true history or timeline can be put together.

    Paris was that way. Then a few Paris tactical police told what it was like inside. A few escapees talked. Then the band that played, the lead singer spoke until they shut him up.

    Everywhere, the Liberal Cult covers for the heinous Islamic terrorists.

    I hope Sundance can do his great reconstructive detective work. But the raw data is already heavily altered.

    The most telling fact is Director Comey is totally sold out. He gets the General Petraeus award for
    Compromised Stalwart. His entire career has cascaded since San Bernardino, his attempts to break Apple encryption and now Orlando. All he is now is another sellout or weak go-along.

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  10. Bob says:

    The only people that didn’t believe this was an act of muslim radical terrorism are in or associated with the White House. The speculitive comments sound like they are coming out of the Hillary campaign Headquarters.

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  11. angryduc says:

    Given the sheer number of political buzz words and .gov contact by Omar he appears to be a patsy. Our government has been fomenting potential terrorists since the early 80’s. http://news.intelwire.com/2007/10/patcon-revealed-exclusive-look-inside.html They have used CIA, ATF, FBI, SPLC, and many other groups to monitor potential patsys or terrorists into action to for political objectives. WTC1, Waco, OKC, …. on and on.

    I don’t see how he could have killed 49 people in less than two minutes when he exchanged fire with police and was forced into a bathroom. Doesn’t add up even if you are a great shot.

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      • angryduc says:

        “Orlando gunman was a follower of a controversial gang leader-turned-bank robber Marcus Dwayne Robertson, who was known for recruiting terrorists and inciting violence. http://365usanews.com/u-s-news/authorities-reveal-new-bombshell-about-orlando-shooters-terror-ties/

        The theme of “bank robbing terrorist” is identical to the Foia discovered info by Utah Attorney Jessie Trentadue while investigating his brothers death in relation to the OKC Bombing.. You can find out all about Trentadue’s investigation on that intellwire.com site. Great website by J.M. Berger .

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        • Jimmy Jack says:

          ANGRYDUC – I’ll look into that site. Thanks. I have long believed OKC had Muslim terrorist ties. Jayna Davis’ book The Third Terrorist: The Middle East Ties to The Oklahoma Bombing has withstood numerous court challenges and actually seems more likely the further we get away from the event in time. Funny you brought this up bc I was just going to post something about it in the Open Thread asking other’s thoughts on this given our current situation.

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          • angryduc says:

            McVeigh went to Florida gun show just a few miles from the Clinton tied BIF Benevolent Islam Foundation in Plantation Florida. Jose Padilla also linked to BIF in Plantation. Clinton visited or received money from there. 9/11 High-jackers stayed in Hollywood Fl next town they also stayed in same hotels as McVeigh and Nichols.

            Before Orlando Massacre, FBI Tried to Lure Shooter Into a Terrorist Attack
            http://usuncut.com/news/fbi-lure-orlando-shooter/

            Sounds very similar to Carol Howe’s account of Elohim City where McVeigh and a group of bank robbers hid out.

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          • Will says:

            Thanks for bringing this back into daylight. I’ve long felt the same way. After the bombing, the first thing that came to mind was the Marine barracks in Lebanon. I remember that the “third man” had ties to Mass. Another mystery man was in Mass during and shortly after the Marathon massacre. Then he was allowed to leave the US after he had a special visitor in the hospital.

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    • Paco Loco says:

      The entire time line of events is fishy and seems to be purposely kept vague especially the “pause” where he stopped shooting for two hours.

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      • angryduc says:

        Agree, initially I thought they said he exchanged fire with at least on cop on the scene…. how then does he have remotely enough time in two minutes before the backups arrive to kill 49 people. I wrestled with if this was even real until SD mentioned he knew someone there or someone who knew someone.

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        • Sherlock says:

          Seriously? You wrestled with whether these people were killed? I despair, just absolutely despair, when I read things like this.

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        • nimrodman says:

          angryduc asked “… how then does he have remotely enough time in two minutes before the backups arrive to kill 49 people …”

          Perhaps by firing at a rate of 2 to 3 shots per second?

          Did you hear the audio on the cellphone video clip by someone outside the club and across the street?

          On that clip you can hear shots. I’m not sure whether it was the terrorist alone or at a time when police were engaging him, but you can hear one gun (sounds the same each shot) going pop-pop-pop-pop-pop-pop …. about as guickly as I presume one is able to repeatedly pull the trigger on a semi-automatic rifle.

          I timed the firing rate in the neighborhood of 180 shots per minute, or 3 shots per second using this music app below where you just key-click on the keyboard. The firing slows down slightly after 14 or so shots, my 3 per second rate is the more rapid initial sequence. Overall, call it 2 to 3 shots per second.

          Here’s the music app for beats per minute – paste in your browser and remove the quotes
          “http://www.all8.com/tools/bpm.htm”

          Here’s the cellphone clip

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          • angryduc says:

            I suppose it is possible but I suspect my accuracy would greatly decrease while being shot at. I just figure a lone wolf who had cased the place would have taken out the armed resistance with his first shots. I have read one report he wasn’t alone, but will have to wait to see what they release.

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          • mimbler says:

            Firing at three shots per second, he would have to change magazines every seven seconds. Does that fit the scenario?
            Mike

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            • nimrodman says:

              If you had an audio clip of the entire shooting you might be able to answer that. Count and time the shots, the pauses, etc.

              I’ve looked up and posted the short clip above, timed the shots, and shown a tool and methodology to do that. That’s all the effort I’ll put into this seeing that I’m not paid to investigate the crime.

              But anyone else is welcome to dig deeper. I’d certainly be pleased to see the results.

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            • Jimmy Jack says:

              Possible yes but 102 people hit in two minutes with only 202 bullets (as reported) is exceptional to say the least.

              If they really were in a training camp in Virginia as Howell stated then they have excellent training there. Given those numbers one has to wonder if Howell meant Falls Church Virginia or Quantico Virginia.

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              • Sassy says:

                But it’s been reported that some people were shot multiple times. We seen video of a guy who was shot in the foot and the leg. Some reports said individuals were shot as many as 10 times.

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  12. Paco Loco says:

    The greatest FBI cover up of all time was the shoot down of TWA-800 over Long Island sound. Jack Cashill has written extensively about it. The Clinton administration got to the FBI immediately after the crash and took over the investigations. The CIA was brought in and created the meme that it was fumes in the fuel tank that caused the explosion even though 50 witness saw the missle launch and hit the plane.

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    • Guest says:

      Did those witnesses get Arkancided the way 9/11 witnesses got Bush-whacked?

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      • Lucille says:

        We got a 9/11 Truther over on aisle 14….

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      • Deb says:

        Can’t you come up with a clever troll name like “RealPatriot4Eva1776” or something like that? “Guest” is so unoriginal, you get paid enough to put in a bit more effort than that I’m sure.

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        • singtune says:

          “Deb”~~~These People are NOT Trolls~! You obviously have not had time to do the research. Theer IS a reason for these People to Question these Events~! The Facts are out there to see.

          I am 79 & have done a LOT of research for last 18+ years, since I retired from Teaching.{ There is a great Deal to read, if you get the time.}

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        • Guest says:

          I’ve got news for you “deb” and “Lucille” and “Stella”… you are the trolls or a troll under 3 different handles. Regardless, you seem really really intent on shutting down speech on this site and employ the shopworn tactics of the left, i.e. unoriginal adolescent snark. It’s not a stretch of the imagination to determine, for example, that one can’t commit “suicide” by two shots to the back of the head. Now cease your trolling and harassment of CTH readers, and crawl back under your rock.

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  13. Backspin says:

    O .M .G . terrrrists ! – Quick , pass these pre-written , ready to go gun laws. ( wink )
    California , you are next. 5 of the worst laws ever headed to Governors desk.
    Better call now , call NRA and Second Amendment Foundation also , they MAY help.

    http://www.ammoland.com/2016/06/gunpocalypse-passes-heading-quickly-governor/#comment-1995919

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  14. jakeandcrew says:

    It was reported early on that he spent several hours before the attack at Disney Springs, a place he had visited before –

    Hours before the carnage, Mateen made one last trip to Disney Springs, law enforcement officials said. That time, Mateen was alone.

    http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/14/us/orlando-shooter-omar-mateen/

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  15. Clc says:

    if you are going to rob a bank, you better go in and check out the security. the fact that omar left then came back and took in a bag with guns before taking out the security threat is what is puzzling to me. I think maybe more than one involved? I still don’t know how he got past the door people with that bag.

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  16. Stinky-Inky says:

    Right side of the fridge, lower half, just to the left of the purple security badge, you can see the photo of the little boy with a play “sword” and the flag. It’s generational, people.

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    • TheLastDemocrat says:

      Oh, goodness sakes. Here at my home with my boys, we have broken and thrown away enough play swords for all the kids in the “occupied territories” to each have their own. Plus, water guns, nerf guns, bb guns, play guns.

      And my kids are so well-behaved and mature that I regularly get compliments when out and about in public, and their public school and Sunday School teachers love them.

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  17. woohoowee says:

    Description of what is in one of the photos on the right refrigerator door:

    three equal vertical bands of black (hoist side), red, and green, with the national emblem in white centered on the red band and slightly overlapping the other two bands; the center of the emblem features a mosque with pulpit and flags on either side, below the mosque are numerals for the solar year 1298 (1919 in the Gregorian calendar, the year of Afghan independence from the UK); this central image is circled by a border consisting of sheaves of wheat on the left and right, in the upper-center is an Arabic inscription of the Shahada (Muslim creed) below which are rays of the rising sun over the Takbir (Arabic expression meaning “God is great”), and at bottom center is a scroll bearing the name Afghanistan; black signifies the past, red is for the blood shed for independence, and green can represent either hope for the future, agricultural prosperity, or Islam
    note: Afghanistan had more changes to its national flag in the 20th century than any other country; the colors black, red, and green appeared on most of them.

    http://jmatchparser.sourceforge.net/factbook/mobile/flags2.html

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  18. Paco Loco says:

    http://wkbn.com/2016/06/21/fbi-releases-timeline-of-events-in-orlando-nightclub-shooting/

    If I read this correctly, he supposedly killed 49 people in about two minutes. The police have some explaining to do. Where are the photos of the dead lying around the crime scene? How come the police who were engaged and apparently shooting at the perp for several minutes stop firing ? Where is the testimony from the wounded victims? Initially there was some from those hiding in a bathroom stall. What about those that played dead? What did they see? Too many loose ends here.

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    • Timmy-the-Ute says:

      It appears that that Omar shot his way into the club and started shooting patrons, as a result the other patrons started backing away from the entrance where the shooting started toward the back of the club where there were bathrooms and no exit. Omar continued to move further in killing people. About 5 minutes after this started the cops arrive at the entrance and lobby area, all the lights are out and they hear shooting toward the back of the club. They don’t engage because they feel they lack body armor and tactics, so they call in the situation and are told to stand down till the SWAT team arrives. This occurs some 15 minutes latter. By this time about 20 minutes after the start of the shooting. and the SWAT team arrive the majority of the shooting has end and we have the 2 hour stand off in which time Omar starts to make his calls to 911, family and news outlets. Finally the SWAT team put there big boy pants on and breaks down the back wall where the bathrooms are and kills Omar where he is hold up with dead and wounded bodies all around him. That is pretty much what happen.

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      • Paco Loco says:

        I’m sure the scenario was much like you portray. The police do need to give out more details. How many patrons were killed by police in the attack at 5 am? It’s hard not to believe the government isnt covering up something here.

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      • oldiadguy says:

        Based on what I have read about the incident, I will have to disagree on your version of events. From what I have read, the off duty officer working secondary was not at the entrance when the suspect approached and began shooting at the staff manning the front door. The off duty officer immediately responded to the front of the club where he engaged in a brief gun battle before the suspect entered the club and started shooting the patrons.

        The off duty officer either put out an aid call or two officers responded to the call for shots fired. These two officers joined the off duty officer, went into their active shooter mode, entered the club, located the suspect and engaged him. Between the time the shooter entered the club and the time, the officers located and engaged him, I believe most of the casualties occurred.

        Based on statements by the OPD Chief and the medical personnel who tended to the victims, I believe it is likely that some of the victims were hit by police gun fire, either during the initial gun battles or latter with SWAT engaged the suspect.

        It is unclear how the long the gun battle lasted with the initial officers, but the reports I’ve read say the suspect retreated into a restroom where he had hostages. Again, according to reports I’ve read, the officers learned that the suspect had explosives, but it is not clear from reports how the officers were able to make that determination. I’m guessing either the suspect announced he had explosives or some patrons told the officers that he had an explosive vest.

        At this point the situation went from an active shooter situation to a hostage situation and the officers stood down and possibly pulled back until SWAT arrived and took over the situation.

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      • oldiadguy says:

        Part 2 of my rant.

        I have posted this information on other threads and included links to the articles in my comments. I have not read the following information.

        “About 5 minutes after this started the cops arrive at the entrance and lobby area, all the lights are out and they hear shooting toward the back of the club. They don’t engage because they feel they lack body armor and tactics, so they call in the situation and are told to stand down till the SWAT team arrives.”

        I have a hard time believing that any officer, hearing shots being fired and knowing that people are being killed would hesitate, call in the situation and then calmly wait until SWAT arrives while people are dying. I also have a hard time believing that a supervisor or commander would give the order to stand down and await SWAT while people are still being killed.

        Do you have a link to where you received this information? Without knowing where you received the information and the quality of the source, I’m having a hard time believing that there are that many cowards in the OPD. However, let me make this suggestion of what may have happened. I believe that the when the suspect holed up in the restroom with hostages and the situation went from an active shooter to a hostage situation, the officers called that information in and were instructed to stand down until SWAT arrived as SWAT had the protective equipment, training and negotiating skills the street officers did not have.

        If however, the incident transpired as you have stated, “They don’t engage because they feel they lack body armor and tactics,” then every officer inside that club during the slaughter of innocents victims should be terminated. They are worthless to their community and to their fellow officers. They are cowards.

        You see, I am a retired cop from the old school. When I was on the street, SWAT had not come into being, yet I and my fellow officers went through numerous doors after armed suspects, on many occasions we had to step over the bodies of their victims to search for their killers. This is what cops do!

        I know law enforcement has changed since I retired, but if it has changed to a point where armed officers standby and allow a single shooter slaughter innocent folks, then God Help Us!

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    • Sassy says:

      Keeping in mind that one witness reported that the shooter was upset that the U.S. is bombing “my” country and that the shooter in this transcription would not give his name, could this be evidence that it wasn’t Mateen on the phone? His country is (they tell us) the USA. Does the witness know that the person she overheard was Mateen? The transcription says the person on the phone wanted the U.S. to stop bombing Syria and Iraq (not Afghanistan). Was the witness simply wrong?

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  19. spindlitis says:

    Don’t forget to follow his father! He was trying to get backing to head the Afghan government. There are pictures of him with Congressmen and he may have met with Obama.

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  20. Paco Loco says:

    The plane tickets were from West Palm Beach to SFO. West Palm Beach is not close to Orlando, about a six hour drive. Why not buy tickets leaving from Tampa or Orlando?

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    • Clc says:

      He doesn’t live in Orlando.

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    • WSB says:

      Where’s Charlie Rangall? He was in one of them. Probably donated money that was supposed to go to the IRS. I guess none of this really matters anyway.

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    • Ono says:

      Because Patsy does what Patsy is told.

      Because Patsy believes what he is told.

      Because Patsy is looking for acceptance in a world where he has been told he will not be accepted, unless he does what he has been told.

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    • USMC1833 says:

      Because he lived in Port St. Lucie FL.

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    • West Palm is the closest airport to his home in Ft Pierce. Maybe he planned to pick up the family and get on the plane.

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    • singtune says:

      I Live in Florida & My daughter lives in Port St. Lucie. {It is on the side with the Atlantic Ocean} West Palm Beach Is South Of Port St. Lucie, & is NOT 6 hours from Orlando. Possibly 3 Hours, but Not 6~! { Port St. Lucie is only 2 hours from Orlando.}

      Fort Pierce & Port St. Lucie ARE on the EAST Coast of Florida & are South Central & West Palm Beach Is also on the EAST Coast just South {3/4-1 hour}.

      Tampa is on the WEST Coast & is in Central Florida on the Gulf~!

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  21. jakeandcrew says:

    Possible reason for Mateen’s anger that day?

    An Iraqi TV channel has reported that Islamic State group leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi was wounded in an airstrike in northern Iraq Thursday. (article dated 6/10/2016)

    http://www.ibtimes.com/isis-leader-abu-bakr-al-baghdadi-reportedly-injured-airstrike-2380632?rel=rel1

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  22. SPMI says:

    Mateen pre purchased three airline tickets for himself his wife and his son the day prior to the shooting to be used the day after the shooting.

    The day before he bought 3 plane tickets for him,
    his wife, Noor Salman, and the child to travel from West Palm Beach to San Francisco in July.

    THIS MAKES ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE
    WHAT IS TRUE HERE?!
    Please respond

    G O D J T R U M P!!!

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    • 1stgoblyn says:

      It makes sense if you remember the 20 yo Indiana man who was arrested in CA while Orlando was still on-going (James Howell). Early reports were that he told the local arresting officers that he knew Omar and he made the comment “Omar and Brandy were supposed to get away. Something went wrong”. Now why would he mention the name Omar as at that time I doubt that he would have heard a name in connection with Orlando? And is Brandy the name of one of Omar’s partners who helped him w/the shooting? If they were suppose to get away, and Omar was driving back home to get his family on a plane to SFO, was there to be another incident in gay-friendly San Fran?

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    • Sandra says:

      He thought he was going to get away with it, just like Farook/Malik.

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  23. wizzum says:

    I think that this obfuscation is because they are scared witless that the public will work out that these “lone wolf” attacks are in fact planned and supported by family and maybe community as well. This would take away the lone wolf argument and mean “Muslim Family” terror cells instead.

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  24. SPMI says:

    We are given two widely differing scenarios
    Regarding tickets. What is the correct statement?

    G O D J T R U M P!!!

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  25. Pam says:

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  26. CameronH says:

    What they are now doing in Norway is to deport the entire family of any person who engages in any sort of Jihadi violence or activities. Send them all back to Afghanistan. Mother, Father, any Brothers and Sisters, Wife and Child, the whole stinking bunch of barbarians should be sent back from whence they came.

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  27. Rebel Mope says:

    “Has the shooter’s wife left the state of Florida?” a reporter asked Lynch during her press conference Tuesday.
    “Right now, I don’t know exactly the answer to that,” Lynch candidly replied. “I believe she was going to travel but I do not know exactly her location now.”
    https://news.grabien.com/story.php?id=364

    Where are the Keystone Kops when you need them?

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    • yakmaster2 says:

      Fox reported today that Lynch told the Port Lucie community “they” (the FBI/DOJ) were going to figure out WHY Mateen did this, even if they had to go sift through his entire life.
      So, the leader of American “just us” is in Florida pretending to still be uncertain of the mass murderer’s MOTIVE. How does Lynch keep a straight face when she says this stuff?

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    • angryduc says:

      my guess is a sanctuary city with a new cell

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  28. srr says:

    GUNS, ISLAM and ORLANDO

    WARNING! Extremely Graphic Content!
    The massacre in Orlando is not just another case of “homegrown extremism.” Despite the shameful censoring of the transcript of the 911 call, the Orlando murders were just another step in the long, bloody march of [OMITTED]; another [OMITTED] responding to the call of [OMITTED] to commit mass murder In the name of [OMITTED].

    https://www.billwhittle.com/firewall/guns-islam-and-orlando

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  29. fedup says:

    The CNN article said he purchased airline tickets to fly to San Francisco in JULY. That’s NOT the day after the attack, as stated in Sundance’s summary. One of them is wrong.

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  30. Nick M says:

    Lynch is again asking why he would want to travel to San Fran after shooting up a gay club. She’s thinking very hard as to why out of all places, San Fran. Maybe he enjoyed riding the cable cars?

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  31. Sargon says:

    It looks to me that the fella really think he can make a clean getaway.

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    • Sandra says:

      Just like Farook/Malik. The dummies thought they were going to get away with it.

      I personally think that’s why Rafia left her car at the apartment. She had daughter Eba pick her up and take her and the baby away from the apartment. I think Farook and Malik planned to return to the apartment, grab some things, perhaps ditch the rental SUV in the garage, and take off in Rafia’s car.

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  32. Ziiggii says:

    This is another part of the story getting a ‘re-telling’…

    back story –

    So I was at Breitbart, looking through the articles and stumble across this report:
    Orlando Police Chief Won’t Deny That Officers Killed Victims Inside Pulse
    http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2016/06/21/orlando-police-chief-blame-omar-mateen-friendly-fire-inside-pulse/
    which is actually from Mcclatchy here
    http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/crime/article84870427.html

    The meat of the article is

    Any deaths caused by police fire as they battled Omar Mateen inside the Pulse nightclub in the wee hours of June 12 should be blamed on Mateen and not on the responding officers, Orlando Police Chief John Mina said Monday.

    “Those killings are on the suspect and on the suspect alone, in my mind,” Mina said.

    but to solidify the premise the article adds this paragraph

    The question of possible deaths by police fire arose soon after the shootings. One survivor, Norman Casiano, 26, told ABC News that he was shot by police when he crawled out from his hiding place in the bathroom after he thought it was safe.

    with a link to an ABC article here
    http://abcnews.go.com/US/orlando-nightclub-survivor-recalls-gunman-laughing-victims-screaming/story?id=39839250

    In this ABC article no where does it say that Casiano was shot by police… possibly shot at, but not shot. His two gunshots wounds were from Mateen.

    Casiano was then hit by bullets on his right side when the gunman fired randomly at the bathroom stall.

    “He then grabbed the gun and shot over the top of the stall and that’s when I got hit on this side,” he said.

    and here is what Casiano actually told ABC News when he crawled out of his hiding place

    Casiano managed to climb over the wall of the bathroom stall and landed on the floor, he said. After hearing more gunshots, he hid under a bathroom sink until he saw flashlights in the darkened club.

    “I poked my head out and it’s dark so the police didn’t know what was going on and they fired,” Casiano said. “I started screaming and yelling, ‘I’m a victim. I’m a victim.’”

    Casiano said he followed police officers’ instructions to run out of the bathroom with his hands up and then was “basically levitated” out of the nightclub by a group of three or four officers.

    So the new twist in this story is that OPD/SWAT/FBI (whomever it was) breached the club and began to engage ppl with shots indiscriminately….

    C’MON MAN!!!

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  33. oldiadguy says:

    I was aware that Casiano had been shot by Mateen, but I thought I read somewhere that Casiano was also hit when the police fired on him. Either way, the officer(s) should never have fired on Casiano in the first place.

    “I poked my head out and it’s dark so the police didn’t know what was going on and they fired,” Casiano said. “I started screaming and yelling, ‘I’m a victim. I’m a victim.’”

    The officer(s) failed to identify their target as a threat before shooting at him. It was still negligence and the officer(s) would be charged internally for same in my old Department and most other departments. So let me correct my previous statement. “However, intentionally shooting (AT) Casiano is negligence.” Fortunately, the SWAT officers(s) were poor shots and Casiano is still alive to tell about the experience.

    Remember all those bullet holes around the openings in the wall from rounds fired by the SWAT team? How many rounds hit the wall? How many rounds hit Mateen? How many rounds went through the openings and hit………?

    This incident may explain why the OPD is so slow on getting details of what happened out to the public. The officer(s) fired on a victim, they may or may not have hit him. The Chief opened the door that his officers may have shot some of the victims during his interview and the following statement by the Chief is revealing.

    “Those killings are on the suspect and on the suspect alone, in my mind,” Mina said.”

    If that is an accurate quote then that is a powerful statement and is quite revealing. In law enforcement circles, a “killings” is another term for a multiple murders or an multiple unlawful homicides. If the Chief did in fact use the word “killings”, that is troubling to me.

    As I stated earlier, the doctors described some of the bullet wounds as having come from different types of weapons, while it was reported that Mateen only used his rifle. I can’t recall the doctor’s exact phrase, but it was odd and I suspected something was amiss.

    Since we know as certain as we can be at this point, that the officer(s) intentionally fired on Casiano. This negligent action creates the question, did the officer(s) fire on any other victims and is that person is no longer alive to make a statement. I suspect the PD is waiting for ballistics to know for sure and will work back from there. I hope and pray that I am wrong, but at this point I don’t think so. It is a bad situation all around.

    Take Care

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    • bertdilbert says:

      When the chief says “in my mind” might be troubling as well. He makes a statement and then gives himself an out. A lot can be read into those three words.

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    • Ziiggii says:

      Fair! I’ll hold judgement also on the original story being a spin or re-telling.

      One would think a department such as Orlando would have one of the best trained SWAT/Officers due to the nature of their city (tourist capital).

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      • Jimmy Jack says:

        Ziiggii-
        Retired NYPD Detective 9/11 first responder Mike Greene, ran for Sheriff of Orlando in 2012 on a platform that included the premise there were terror cells in Orlando (he lost). He said the entire department is a disaster, an absolute joke. Usually SWAT is the best trained in any department but if they are being led by fools they are compromised from the get go.

        State Attorney’s Office, Kenneth Lewis allegedly described downtown Orlando as “a melting pot of 3rd world miscreants and ghetto thugs.” He was removed from his posy for saying this and that Disney does whatever it can to hide how bad crime is in Orlando. A decent sheriff’s department and OPD would not have allowed the city to disintegrate into criminal mayhem even if Disney was pushing them around. Keep in mind these are the same sheriff/police who missed a key piece of evidence that would have likely convicted Casey Anthony. So no, I absolutely would not have faith in law enforcement in Orlando. I don’t like to disparage cops but there are problems with LE in this area.

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      • oldiadguy says:

        I would have thought so as well. However, the number of bullet strikes in the wall that was breached does not speak well of firearms proficiency or discipline. I suspect that those photos of bullet pocked wall are going to come back and haunt the PD.

        Take Care

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    • Timmy-the-Ute says:

      I am not sure the the club patrons naturally retreated to the back of the clup toward the bathrooms away from the entrance and loby where the shoot started and Omar just followed the crowd back killing as he went or if Omar M. herded the partrons back there to have hostages on purpose. There was a back door near the restrooms, was it blocked?

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      • oldiadguy says:

        I suspected that when the patrons realized the sounds they were hearing was gunfire, they ran away from it. Mateen just followed his targets. I don’t believe Mateen intentionally herded the patrons into the restrooms so he could have hostages, I suspect that is where the patrons hid.

        “There was a back door near the restrooms, was it blocked?”

        A good question, I don’t know.

        Take Care

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    • Ziiggii says:

      I think I’m beginning to see where this idea that OPD ‘killed’ victims. From another Breitbart article:

      Why couldn’t we have taken care of this much earlier?” asked survivor Jeanette McCoy. “There were people in there bleeding to death. A part of me puts a sense of blame on [police]. I’m sorry, but I was there. They could have done something.”

      Orlando police chief John Mina countered by saying Mateen was responsible for all deaths that occurred during the incident, declaring he was “extremely proud of the heroic actions of our officers, and I am very confident they saved many, many, many lives that night.”

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      • oldiadguy says:

        Thanks, I saw that article. A thing to remember, a gun battle in tight spaces filled with innocent bystanders has a high likelihood of collateral damage. Remember how many citizens the NYPD shot that day when they were firing on a suspect on New York street?

        After reading that there were gun battle(s) inside the club I was concerned that some of the patrons may have been struck by police rounds and have been watching for some “tells.” I don’t recall which I saw first so I will just list them.

        The bullet pocked wall did not show the actions of a well trained and disciplined SWAT team. Also, the bullet strikes only show the rounds that hit the wall, how many rounds struck Mateen and how many rounds went through the opening. Weren’t some of the hostages trying to escape when Mateen engaged the officers?

        Then there was the interview with a doctor who had treated some of the victims. The doctor made a weird statement about the types of injuries the victims received. I think he said the victims had been struck with high and low caliber rounds. Whatever the exact terminology that the doctor used it was very strange and appeared to me that he maybe trying to cloud the issue.

        Then there was the shot(s) fired at Casiano after the officers entered the club. That was not the actions of a well trained and disciplined tactical officer.

        Then there is the Chief’s statements especially this one.

        “Those killings are on the suspect and on the suspect alone, in my mind,” Mina said.”

        That is an extremely strange choice of words if he was referring to the persons who bled out. It doesn’t mater if the deceased, who were shot by Mateen, died immediately, at the hospital or bled out in the club because they couldn’t be reached, their deaths are on Matteen and Mateen alone.

        Compare the above statement with this one.

        “Orlando police chief John Mina countered by saying Mateen was responsible for all deaths that occurred during the incident, declaring he was “extremely proud of the heroic actions of our officers, and I am very confident they saved many, many, many lives that night.”

        In the first statement he used the word “killings” while in the second he used the appropriate word “deaths.” It maybe an old cop thing, but the choice of the words used is troubling to me and indicates that the Chief is struggling inside with some unpleasant facts.

        As I stated earlier, I hope and pray that none of the victims were struck by police gunfire, however, given the situation as it was and the statements made to date, I believe that is still a strong possibility.

        Take Care

        PS Thanks for the link below.

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  34. Rebel Mope says:

    Omar buys tickets the day before for July. Sounds to me like when the Grand Mufti calls you come now. Maybe he was casing the joint without knowing exactly when he would get the phone call to go.

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  35. HeatherMae says:

    Woe wait he bought airline tickets? How can a person on terror watch list do this????

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  36. patrickhenryrevisited says:

    Latest installment:
    http://www.weaselzippers.us/278798-man-claiming-to-be-orlando-terrorists-gay-lover-comes-forward/
    The FBI confirmed to Univision that they have interviewed the alleged lover.

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    • Ziiggii says:

      I’ve been waiting for this…

      Supports my theory, but who knows at this point. It is interesting that the FBI confirmed that they have talked to this guy.

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      • patrickhenryrevisited says:

        I commented a day or so ago that given time, the media would come up with a story that absolved both islam and the gay community.
        This newest ‘revelation’ comes pretty close.

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        • singtune says:

          To me the B.S. is Very Clear~! Yes it seems to be a the “STORY” to absolve islam & perhaps more. {I also expected this to come out also~!}

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          • patrickhenryrevisited says:

            To anyone paying attention, no story or excuse will change the fact that mateen himself considered his actions to be in keeping with his islamic beliefs.
            And he made sure there was a record of it.

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        • nimrodman says:

          Patrickhenry said: “… given time, the media would come up with a story that absolved both islam and the gay community. This newest ‘revelation’ comes pretty close.”

          Yeah, but only sorta.

          He sounds like a patsy stood up by DOJ:
          “But the thing that makes me want to tell the truth is that he didn’t do it for terrorism … Instead, [he] believes Mateen “did it for revenge.”

          So they morph the motive from “psychotic fuslim jihadi gone murderously haywire” to “psychotic nancyboy gone murderously haywire”

          Not much of an improvement, one might think.

          However in the calculus of lefty victim-group-priority-think, DOJ and the other commies there in government must feel the gay community is strong enough to bear the slur of the 2nd storyline, whereas the entire enterprise of fuslim infiltration of our nation is at risk if the 1st storyline is allowed to stand.

          And so goes the undermining of our once-great nation.

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    • woohoowee says:

      Hmmmmm. “100% gay” and had a child with a woman? If this is a true story, wonder if/when Mateen was tested for HIV. Surely FBI would know that info? Anybody notify his wife?

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    • nimrodman says:

      Good comments at the Blaze article on this “gay lover” spin:

      Montana1987
      This whole thing is really unfair to the media.
      How do you make a Straight White Christian Conservative Republican NRA Tea Party Member out of a Gay Muslim ISIS Sympathizing Terrorist and registered Democrat who didn’t acquire his weapons via the “Gun Show Loophole”????

      dissentnow
      He didn’t call 911 to pledge being HIV positive…
      He pledged allegiance to ISIS.
      Liberals cannot and will not handle reality; it short-circuits their narrative.
      No matter how hard they try, he was a Muslim.
      I just wonder how long it will be before the media starts calling him a “white Muslim”.

      http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2016/06/21/man-claiming-to-be-orlando-shooters-former-gay-lover-reveals-possible-motivation-behind-attack/

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    • georgiafl says:

      Islam is a woman-hating ideology, mutilates, deprives women of rights….and allows little children to be r4p3d and used as slaves by adult males. For all its protestations and violence against g4ys, Islam is a p3rv3rse, s3xu4lly d3vi4nt culture.

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  37. bertdilbert says:

    “The day before, he had bought three plane tickets for him, his wife, Noor Salman, and child to travel from West Palm Beach to San Francisco in July”

    June or July?

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    • nimrodman says:

      CNN article linked by Sundance up top says “July”

      NBC article linked by Sandra upthread says “June 14”

      Maybe DOJ or FBI could spend a little of their press conference time running down facts of the case for public edification rather than pretending they don’t know the terrorist’s “motive”.

      That’d be nice, huh?

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  38. Ziiggii says:

    An account from one of the first responding Officers:

    I grabbed my assault rifle and ran’: An officer’s account of the critical early minutes in Orlando
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/police-told-not-to-pursue-orlando-shooter-15-or-20-minutescouldve-been-longer-until-swat-arrived/2016/06/21/ec2f4464-37d0-11e6-a254-2b336e293a3c_story.html

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  39. SPMI says:

    I still maintain there are two different stories regarding the plane tickets
    July and the next day
    Which is it ?
    It can’t be both

    G O D J T R U M P!!!

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  40. Empress says:

    Isn’t the purchase of the airline tickets an indication he thought he would not only survive this larger than life “crime” but get away scot-free, perhaps after having been given a new identity?

    This was a staged hoax or false flag. Mateen acted in a couple of minor films prior to this. His staged crisis handlers paid him handsomely to “fake” the shooting, and either he’s not really dead or he was tricked and it was curtains for him. Even the 911 calls sound scripted and unnatural. He wasn’t a good actor, after all. Perhaps he really was gay and “conflicted” or rudely snubbed there upon his recon visits, which would make him an ideal intelligence patsy asset.

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  41. Ziiggii says:

    I’m having a hard time finding ANY news organizations that are reporting on the new development from late last night dropped by Univision. It’s like no one wants to touch this part of the story with a 10ft pole. For that matter, today, it’s almost like all the major networks have completely gone radio silent on Orlando all together. But I did find one article from CBS which has some very interesting quotes:

    Univision reported the FBI told the network that investigators have spoken with this man, but a law enforcement official would neither confirm nor deny this to CBS News.

    The official told CBS News senior investigative producer Pat Milton that Mateen was a frequent user of online dating sites seeking relationships with both men and women.

    Men and women have come forward to the FBI claiming to have had a relationship with Mateen, according to the law enforcement official, and all of those claims are being investigated.

    Miguel said that Mateen’s wife knew he was gay, and that his father forced him into an arranged marriage.

    Supports my premise of the attack; but still need something concrete about if he came out of the closet to family or friends at the Mosque. Was he berated for his sexuality by someone or several ppl and given an ultimatum to atone for his sin?

    So did dad force him into the marriage to cover up his sexuality (dad knew) or was it just one of the normal moose limb arranged marriages (dad didn’t know)?

    continuing FTA:

    Miguel added that he and Mateen also talked about religion.

    “He said Muslim religion is beautiful, beautiful religion, where everything is about love,” he said. “Everybody is welcome. Gay, trans, bisexual… everybody.”

    Was Mateen baiting Miguel? Or did Mateen truly believed this statement?

    Mateen knows what happens to homosexuals if caught by moose limbs. Why the lipstick on the pig statement?

    Con’t FTA:

    Asked about his son’s sexual orientation last week, Seddique Mir Mateen said he did not believe his son was gay.

    “To me, that is wrong,” Mateen’s father told CBS News correspondent David Begnaud.

    The elder Mateen said he learned of the speculation from news reports, but as far as he was concerned, “I didn’t see any of it and I don’t believe that was the case.”

    While it is still possible Mateen was just very closely surveying his chosen target for terror, former senior FBI profiler Mary Ellen O’Toole told CBS News that doesn’t seem likely.

    “This to me suggests somebody that may have had sexual identity issues and may have actually been struggling with the idea that he himself was gay and that would add a different motive and a different perspective on the case,” O’Toole said.

    So is this entire ‘Miguel’ story a push to move the conversation away from Jihad again, like had been attempted early on in the reporting due to the transcript black eye (guess we’ll see if any of these other men and women come forward with their stories).

    -OR-

    I am of the opinion that both ‘motives’ are possible. We have a American gay moose limb that leads a double (secret) life between these two communities that are not compatible with each other. Thus the reason why he would drive 2 hours away (frequently) from the ‘moose limb Mateen’ home to be ‘gay Mateen’ in the club. The ‘gay Mateen’ had a health scare from the HIV possibility (how could ‘moose limb Mateen’ explain to the family how he contracted that virus) who got mad that he was duped by this Puerto Rican and was gonna ‘deal with him’. Some how the ‘gay Mateen’ got discovered by ‘moose limb Mateen’ family and now had a full fledged identity/life crisis.

    Rule # 1 for all moose limbs: If you die as a martyr of the faith in a jihadi action against the infidels, you get a free pass to paradise; all your sins covered (no matter what they were) and collect your 72 virgins.

    Easy way to kill all these birds with one stone, no?

    I still say the family and/or others in the moose limb community know more about his ‘mysterious’ motive.

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