Epic: Megyn Kelly VS. Democrat Congressman Frank Pallone – Discussion About People Losing Their Insurance Plans – What Is It About New Jersey?

Must watchBut someone please tell me what’s with the crew of New Jersey Dem Congressmen. Seriously. This is the third one highlighted in three consecutive days, with the exact same bizarre logic and arrogant outlook. Another really nasty fellow.

Are a lot of people in New Jersey like this, or only their congressional representatives?

Democratic congressman Frank Pallone is getting his fifteen minutes of fame after his now-infamous “monkey court” comment last week, and on Wednesday night it brought him to Fox News, where he got in a heated exchange with Megyn Kelly over people losing their “lousy” health insurance plans due to Obamacare regulations.

Pallone argued that people can keep their policies as long as insurance companies agree to sell them, but many of them have been caught selling “lousy plans at a high price that are skeletal and don’t provide any benefits.”

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55 Responses to Epic: Megyn Kelly VS. Democrat Congressman Frank Pallone – Discussion About People Losing Their Insurance Plans – What Is It About New Jersey?

  1. ctdar says:

    Pallone looked like he was medicated or drunk, swaying, barely keeping his eyes open, slurs at time. Kept spewing the current talking point of blaming insurance companies for their lousy plans, calling them scammers. I needed a shower after watching the slime, I think Megyn was surprised also but handled herself well in keeping control of interview.

  2. I just watched this idiot on Megyns show. He is another who got the memo. Problem memo and talking points are flawed. Supposedly all of us who’s plans have been cancelled-plans that are not good because of what I can find 2 major ‘talking point’ differences which aren’t really that big a deal. They keep harping on plan limits being gone and pre-existing conditions are now covered. BFD-rarely does anyone go past their lifetime limits. What is important is what they are not saying. That is, what exactly is the better plans we are getting, the bronze plan is not better coverage. It covers the ’10′ required benefits but at what levels? What is important is the plans coverage that covers all or any condition. Such as, what are the ‘better’ deductibles, co-insurance percentages, out of pocket expense, co-pays for ofc visits, prescriptions, etc. This is what matters in ‘free market’ that affects the decisions of what insurance plan we pick. The cost is based on the parameters, not on so much on good or bad covered conditions. These factors, cost and coverage influence the insurance coverage we choose and pay for. Obamacare has taken this away. Our choice is gone, but no one is saying what the ACA’s actual benefits. Just that is it a ‘better’ plan.
    I worked in the group health insurance forum for years. I have enrolled thousands of people individuals and mostly employer sponsored health plans. We think we have problems now wait until next year when the employer mandates go into effect. The group insurance market will be subject to the same problems. All their policies will be cancelled and they will have to re-enroll all the employees into the new plans. Cost will skyrocket just like they are in the individual market. If the individual market doesn’t cause this to implode then next year it surely will.

    • michellc says:

      I’m already hearing from people who get insurance through their employer, the smaller companies that they’re already facing higher premiums and a lot of these small business owners are telling them they can’t pay the same percentage any longer. From the way I understand it is the employer mandate extension only applies to employers with more than 50 employees.
      Right before election the rest of America will be finding out that their employers are either going to make the employee pick up the additional cost or employers are going to drop insurance.

      • Yep that and I think the employer extension applies to all group insurance plans, but the law mandates the employers with over 50 ee’s must provide insurance starts next year. Now that the insurance companies have cancelled and re-rated individual policies they are off on to small group employer sponsored plans. Now these small group plans will be subject to the ACA requirements that are not currently being met by their crappy insurance companies (sarc). ergo-policy cancellations and new rates for all small group plans. Some carriers are phasing this in just like they did with the individual policies and raising rates before the cancellation notices go out. Small group employers are figuring this out when their renewals come up and their rate increases are more than average, which typically would be about low percentage wise. Next year govbmint will go after the large employers, unions etc which will be a harder job to accomplish the con on. They are hoping that with a year of happy, joyous minions and media spinning its virtues it will be an easier pill to swallow (pun intended) for the big guys.

    • rashomon says:

      My brother is totally befuddled. He has 80-plus sales reps who he covers for $6000/yr each: $1000 deductible, no co-pay, $1.5M cap, no drugs, but some basic vision and some dental. This policy is cancelled as of Jan 1st, but he CAN, according to a phone conversation from an Obamacare navigator, get each rep covered for $600 per year (i.e. a basic policy that MEETS the requirements of Obamacare) PLUS a 4% administrative fee on him, the employer; i.e. (4 x the $600 per his 80-odd employees). So he’s going to go from somewhere around $500,000 to under $50,000 in a snap of Obama’s fingers????? Right.

      As he says, ” You gotta be f*****g kiddin’ me.” Of course, he can’t get on line to verify. His insurance broker of 30 years wants to commit hari-kari. That office is buried in phone calls with no, no, no answers available to clients except for “just wait it out” while, of course, people are panicky about not having coverage.

      Talk about c-r-e-a-t-i-n-g a crisis…

      • doodahdaze says:

        Obamacare Navigators are 10 hour wonders. ACORN idiots in make work jobs. Hari-Kari would be the preferred option over dealing with a navigator.

  3. bob e says:

    sundance..you predicted this counter attack by o’fraud’s minions last week.
    “lousy policies..rip off insurance companies..”

  4. Patriot Dreamer says:

    Good grief. This isn’t capitalism. This is economic fascism. The central government is making all of the important decisions.

    http://townhall.com/columnists/thomassowell/2008/02/14/who_is_fascist/page/full

  5. justfactsplz says:

    This clown was on Pierce Moron tonight and was just as argumentative and arrogant. He was going at the lady congress woman who today talked about red solo cups and stemmed crystal glasses. He only has a couple of talking points but he goes at it like gang busters.

    • michellc says:

      I guess it’s too hard for them to understand some people don’t have prescription coverage because that costs more per month and people who rarely need prescriptions it’s cheaper to buy them when they need them. The same as some people don’t have maternity coverage or pediatrics vision and dental because they’re not having babies and they don’t have kids. They’re not on drugs so they don’t need substance abuse, they’re not mental so they don’t need mental health.
      Some want to pay their doctor out of pocket and care more about hospitalization and emergency room coverage and lower deductibles and lower premiums.

      Actually though that’s common sense and assumes they give a crap, they don’t give a crap and they know it’s BS but they need it to fail so they can get one payer.

      • justfactsplz says:

        One payer, that is their goal. One size does not fit all when it comes to insurance as you point out. Why must everyone carry maternity insurance for example? We have never had our freedom so violated in my lifetime. You have to have hip boots to wade through this s……

        • michellc says:

          Something else I keep thinking about, the deductibles on most of these plans I’ve saw are really high. So even if these people get subsidies to make their premium very low or free, how are they going to get healthcare? If they couldn’t afford insurance, how are they going to meet their deductible?
          The lowest deductible I’ve heard of on the exchange is $6500, that averages out to spending almost $542/month. So assuming they can even find a doctor, they still aren’t getting healthcare because they can’t afford to pay for it, they’re getting a piece of paper that is basically a catastrophic policy regardless of what their piece of paper says it covers.

          • deqwik2 says:

            You hit the nail on the head. Having insurance is not a going to make health care affordable. I know someone on Medicare who goes to the doctor once a year to get check up & refills. The office visit is $97.00 out of pocket. They live alone & only income is $750.00 monthly social sec. so this one visit takes a hunk out of their living expenses. The doctor wanted to do cat scan but this person would have to pay 20% of test so they can’t afford it. Their prescription coverage is good but the low income people can’t afford health care on Medicare. Even free Insurance will not help low income people except in the case of a hospital stay or major accident but they will still have 20-40 percent to pay out of pocket after deductible is met. Having Obamacare is going to hurt your pockets for a normal doctor visit.

            • texan59 says:

              deqwik – just so you know, any individual who is receiving $750/month in SS, is eligible for the most generous Medicaid plan in any State in the Union. They will have very little, if any out-of-pocket expenses. The scenario you lay out is not going to happen. I understand and agree with your sentiment, but that person is protected. Those most at risk are the ones who make a little over $1,000/month are in no-mans land, although we will now be picking up most of the cost – at least for their plan. They will be asked to pick up the 20.30, or 40% for their other costs, which they can’t afford.

              • Spar Harmon says:

                I really don’t understand what you are saying here, Tex. My SS is precisely in the bracket you speak of ” just over $1000/mo”. My Medicare kicked in, in 2006 and I got a no deductible United Supplemental plan to go with it. Doctor visits: $0; Prescriptions: avg $5 co-pay; ambulance: $0. x-ray and mri: $0. Specialists: $0. Rt. Shoulder replacement: $0; upcoming out patient surgery: $0….Prescription premium $49/mo; Supplemental premium, $207/mo; Medicare premium, $141/mo.
                Now I expect that sooner or later, when they get done “fixing” SS and Medicare, I won’t be able to afford to breathe, so I will gladly go to God, but until then I live on a bare bones budget and sometimes “faith-based” food supplements, but God sees that all my needs are met and CTH and a little ingenuity keeps my actual quality of life pretty high…
                I am not meaning any kind of criticism here= I truly did not understand what you meant.

                • texan59 says:

                  I’m talking specifically about Medicaid, not Medicare. If a person gets what they call “Full Medicaid” they have no Medicare premium taken out of your SS check. You also (depending on the State you reside in) essentially free medical care. In TX you pay nothing for your doc, hospital, PT, etc. The most you would pay for an Rx would be about $6-7.

                  What you are looking at is taking out $398/mo. for your “free” care. You will see your Supp, and your Rx premiums go up substantially in 2015 very likely.

                  • Spar Harmon says:

                    OK, clearly I misread your qualifiers,,,and yeah I know I am only temporarily sheltered…just like the with the shutdown he will be out to hurt everybody with his Stompey Feet…there is at least a chance of collapse before, then everybody is screwed….no partisans then,

          • +1,000,000 – Exactly! On top of the premium you have to factor in the deductible as part of the monthly cost of the insurance. And then it only pays at 60 or 70% and MANY of the lowest cost plans in the bronze and silver range don’t offer an office co-pay. This means you pay 30% or 40% of the visit when you go (which could be as much as $100, depending on the doctor you’re seeing.) This is in addition to your monthly premiums. People cannot and will not afford this. Basically they’re buying nothing. Zero. The ONLY people this will benefit are the ones who are already very sick and have to be seen multiple times a month, have hugely expensive procedures and drugs, etc. And for how long? At some point the “death panels” will limit how much can be spent per year on any particular treatment, drug, etc. This is unsustainable.

          • justfactsplz says:

            That’s right. They can’t afford the deductibles which are extremely high. If they have to pay these up front they are s…out of luck. Hospitals and doctors aren’t going to be able to write off that kind of money for these people. What a hot mess this is.

        • doodahdaze says:

          The drift I am seeing is that public companies with shareholders are going to be forced out of the exchanges. Leaving the non-profit Blue Cross and Shields the last one standing in the exchanges. Shareholders in the public companies will not stand for it.

    • canadacan says:

      Single-minded bastard but first you gotta have a mind

  6. afghanvet18f says:

    This is not just New Jersey, but everywhere. The unhinged militant left, militant atheists, militant homosexuals and militant black racists. It is everywhere and growing. There is a paradigm shift from civility to militancy & chaos. And so it has been written of……

    • Be Ge says:

      Still, there is a chance for a change. An alteration or abolishion of an abusive government is a right and a duty of the free people. The last time this right was exercised, these were the accusations vs the abuser, the commander-in-chief of the then greatest nation in the world, that had no time without a sun in the sky over some part of its land:

      * He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.

      * He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.
      He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.

      * He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance.

      * He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.

      * He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:

      * He imposedTaxes on us without our Consent:

      * He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.

      Sounds a bit not unlike our dear commie leader, huh?

      • doodahdaze says:

        Not all moron’s are socialists, but all socialists are moron’s. By definition this makes Obama a moron. It is impossible to be a socialist and not be a moron.

  7. elvischupacabra says:

    I’d call him a “bag of sh!t” but there are bags and sh!t that might be needlessly denigrated.

    You asked, “What’s with it with New Jersey Congressman?” I’ll wager that Eric Holder has enough on these ultra-corrupt squirrels to send them up the river for a thousand years, unless they shill, shill and shill some more for ObamaCare.

  8. clear the way says:

    Do you ever wonder why people in New York City are so sour and depressed? Answer: you would be sour and depressed too if the light at the end of YOUR tunnel was New Jersey (and its’ congressmen like this fool)!

    • ctdar says:

      If nyc’rs are as ignorant as everyone thinks wait until deblasio (as projected) gets in as mayor. Life as they  know it now will effectively be over as deblasio will put bloomberg to shame as he brings in his socialist leadership. Crime (remember no stop&frisk law) & poverty will explode to the levels prior to Giuliani. Taxes will skyrocket to pay for all the entitlements and corruption, business’s and tourism will leave the city in droves, real estate values will tank. Transportation, emergancy school & other public city systems will fall apart. Terrorists are probably salivating at their future there.
      Hope NYC is prepared, it will get very ugly very quickly  if deblasio gets in.

      • elvischupacabra says:

        In the end… the state of Nuh Yawk will sell the now Detroit-Like Manhattan to some well-meaning Indians for 34-dollars in beads and trinkets and consider themselves lucky to have gotten that.

    • Josh says:

      New York City seems to be quite happy and blissful in their ignorance. New Jersey is not their problem – they are. They WILL vote in Bill de Blasio – an avowed Socialist. That will be their doing, not New Jersey’s.

  9. wendybar says:

    Yes, I live in liberalland among many that think like that. They keep voting in the same idiots, and then cry that they are paying so much in taxes. They don’t get it when you try to explain it to them. I think they are too indoctrinated (brainwashed)

  10. scaretactics says:

    Megan pwned this s**t-for-brains.

    Best comment from this guy, talking about private insurance: “That’s CAPITALISM!”…no duh!!!!!……..and capitalism is what makes this country great, BTW.

    • PAGuy says:

      Pallone is a moron no doubt. An officious jerk. But Megyn Kelly was awful. She made some very soft rebuttals to his obvious lies and had to raise her voice to get them in. We need strong and sharp arguments to counter these fools because they will always come at us as if they know better.

  11. ctdar says:

    I wish in these kind of interviews when it is sooo obvious how in the tank these politicians are for Obama and not acting on the well being and interests of their constituents the interviewer asks if they are up for reelection in 2014 and are they worried for their outcome. Love to see their face after that question.
    This idiot actually looks like he drank too much of the Obama koolaid.

    • It’s Jersey. He’s probably not worried in the least. Jersey is a rotting cesspool of liberal ideology, for the most part.

    • elvischupacabra says:

      The host needs a button that shuts off these fools’ microphones when they just drone on and on, heedless that this is actually supposed to resemble a conversation.

      Also, imagine if a Republican called a Congressional hearing a “monkey court”. All we’d hear is dog-whistle, ad infinitum from the Leftist Press.

    • Sally Sutherland says:

      How bad can it get when our NJ representative
      makes a fool of himself on TV. We know he isn’t
      telling us…. THE VOTER…. the truth about Obama Care.
      Our only solution is to VOTE…. NO… FOR PALLONE .

  12. Every time I hear one of these morons say, “They’re getting a better policy for less money!” I want to reach out and smack them in the head. In what reality is this true????? These new insurance policies are cost prohibitive, particularly when you take into account the high deductibles, for anyone who is NOT getting a subsidy, which is the majority of the middle class. Period. They are NOT less expensive. Common sense should prevail if nothing else. When you force someone to offer more services, without limits, of COURSE the price is going to go up. For instance, suppose our government passed a new law that stated that every new vehicle sold must now include a warranty that covers anything and everything, bumper to bumper, for as long as someone owns a vehicle. How long would the dealerships stay in business? And, further, suppose this warranty was required to be purchased by the consumer when purchasing a vehicle and there were restrictions on “profit” for the dealer? They can charge what they want (but only make 20% profit in total) and people are forced to buy the warranty. Either the cost of purchasing a new vehicle is going to be so cost prohibitive people won’t do it, or they will purchase it and keep it forever, since the dealership must now cover anything and everything that goes wrong with the car from now on. New engines, new transmissions, defects in paint, trim, air conditioning/heating, radios, tires, etc. No difference, really, except that the severity of the situations is vastly different. In one instance, people’s lives are at stake. In the other, their choice of transportation is.

    • canadacan says:

      What we’re looking at is fascism plain and simple

    • ed greene says:

      Economica 101 if you make money on something you dont cancel it. This Obamaprotector
      said that these were bad policies for customers so insurance companies were canceling.
      These democrats are lying to protect Oblamea. He was caught in a lie. Also when you know
      you are in trouble, or caught in a lie laugh, laugh. laugh. Mainstream media has stopped their love affair with Obama. Just a matter of time before Obamacare unravels itself.
      Obamacare is like me going to a restaurant and told to pay full price but can only order
      the cheapest items on money , but the customers who get in for no charge can order anything. I hope Fox gets a mathematician and explains the only way Obamacare can work is if young healthy people who dont have insurance get insurance and pay for the customers who get more out of insurance than they pay in. Insurance companies are
      in business to make money not lose money.

  13. Mist'ears Mom says:

    So true! Everyone is stating this oxymoronic phrase “but your getting a better plan” and to add insult they add ‘for less’. This is complete and udder BS! Obummercares bronze plan is not ‘better’ than my current $222/mo to be $511/mo catastrophic plan. Concept in health insurance, the less you pay after your insurance pays the more costly the premium is. This is the exact opposite of what they are trying to have buy into. It is not true with the new plans, it cost you more in premium (even with a subsidy) and you get less paid by the insurance-so you pay more for medical care. The high deductibles makes it unaffordable regardless of any ‘subsidy’ you may get. Another lie from POtuS the subsidies don’t help pay your increased out of pocket costs after you buy the insurance with your subsidy. Liar Liar Liar, he knows nothing of what he speaks of, is deliberately lying to us to force this upon us, trying to trick us into compliance. Impeachable offenses.

  14. It is a free-market, except for the fact that Obozo won’t let you choose your own health care. She took him to lunch with appetizers.

  15. Saw this guy last night. My wife, a recent convert from Liberal”dumb”, couldn’t believe her eyes and ears. What a buffoon.

    This is the same guy, by the way, that recently called hearings on Obamacare a “monkey court”, with his trademark head bobbing. The Daily Show got a kick out of it, because he was standing up to the Republicans. This guy gets promoted by the left, through the likes of Jon Stewart, when he is an obvious fool. It’s no wonder half of this country doesn’t get it. They think the Daily Show is intellectual and factual.

    As an aside, I saw the lengthy interview on the Daily Show with Charles Krauthammer. Stewart is no match for Krauthammer, but you would have to watch the whole interview on the web to really get that sense. They aired the mild stuff on regular TV and it’s likely most of the idiot leftists that watch that show won’t spend the time to watch the entire interview. Still the hammer was swung too weakly at Stewart, in my opinion.

  16. czarowniczy says:

    Our Ba’athist POtuS’s rep rides on Obamacare being forced down/up whichever orifice you choose. He has his little henchpersons twisting the arms of every DemocRAT who relies upon the Party’s largesse to run his/her public trough visits and they’re laying it on thick. Looking like an ass for using specious or even ludicrous reasoning to defend the indefensible is more preferable to them than losing the Party’s financial support and having to get a real job. What the hell, with a positive approval rating of around 5% what do they have to lose as far as credibility and dignity go anyway?

  17. Josh says:

    The people of New Jersey deserve people like this because they vote for people like this.

    I wish their votes affected New Jersey and only New Jersey but they don’t.

  18. czarowniczy says:

    “What Is It About New Jersey?” Maybe those toxic dumpsites are leaking into the Congressional water supply?

  19. crossthread42 says:

    I agree with the very first post on this thread.. Was this “gentleman” (for lack of a better word, I’m being polite), On Medications , drunk or something? His actions were CLASSIC SYMPTOMS of being “high” on something..

  20. Naomi Blue says:

    I saw that program. The only thought I had at the time was, “What an idiot!”

  21. triper57 says:

    Somebody needs to ask these people if all these policies being canceled were such junk then what were the insurance commissioners of their states doing allowing junk policies being sold to be sold in their states.

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