Perhaps this is the source of the problem. Elon Musk has repeatedly said that Starlink systems are not permitted to be used for military operations; the Starlink system is a commercial communication system that carries terms of service that do not permit use as a weapon.
The Starshield system (not Starlink) is the government military system created by Musk and is utilized for military purposes as controlled by the U.S. government. Starshield is not a commercial system and the authorization for use is through the government.
Zelenskyy is now claiming he uses Starlink for military attacks, a violation of the terms of service, but claims he only uses them inside Ukraine territory.
Zelenskyy – “We don’t use Starlink for our responses inside Russia. We use Starlink to intercept jet-powered “shaheds” that attack our civilians and kill families.
Starlink wasn’t turned off – its speed was reduced. And when the speed was reduced, we were unable to intercept a certain number of jet-powered “shaheds.” We couldn’t use a tool that helps protect people. That’s very painful and frustrating.
We also use Starlink for mid-range strikes against enemy military targets in our temporarily occupied territories. We couldn’t do that when the restrictions were in place. And third, what matters most is people. Our warriors, who spend weeks and months on the front line, receive food and water delivered by drones using Starlink.
Has the speed been fully restored to what it was before? No. Is it being restored now? Yes.” {SOURCE}
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Good heavens, what an absolutely clueless boob!!!
Entitlement, no accountablity and endless amounts of American Tax Payer Cash does have a way of doing that to no talent hacks trying to wage war on a Nuclear Power.
I’m so sick of idiots financed by the U.S. government, from “top officials” down to two-bit local radio hacks and other assorted morons.
That’s what Easy Money monetary policy buys you!
Ukraine doesn’t pay for either of those systems. The US provided Starshield. Poland was supposedly paying for Ukraine’s Starlink.
Z is like a spoiled teenager whining that the cell plan his parents’ pay for isn’t fast enough or fancy enough.
Or it’s bait for impeachment process for president Trump. After the midterms
Impeachment is a nonstarter. It’s all the DemonRats have to rally the orcs.
Cocaine will do that to you.
Oh wow! So he is trying to hijack Starlink for his war? I thought he misspoke when he called it that instead of Starshield.
That makes it even more disgusting!
This cokehead globalist puppet gnome couldn’t be a bigger piece of shit if he tried
I keep asking this, why is he still alive? I seriously do not understand. Is there like 50 of him in duplicate and one is killed and another pops up? And if we see the fact there are duplicates we will know the truth?
Because too many in congress are profiting.
Yes, and if z’s mouth is moving, he is lying
Sorry, BE.
I didn’t see your post before I made mine.
Totally agree.
In a way it’s expected as anything and everything at Zelenskyy’s disposal, you know he’ll use.
If he could use UBER to drop Munitions he wouldn’t hesistate even thought it’s not designed for that purpose.
Because literally, he thinks NATO (ie. US) will protect his midget a$$ when the Russians get really miffed.
Every time that worm opens his lying trap it makes me hope Russia takes the whole corrupt dump
Why use Starlink for military operations instead of Starshield, if not to avoid unnecessary complications from the Pentagon getting wind of shady business going on?
Maybe our CIA misbehavers have given him access to the military version of whatever
Starlink, Starshield, yada yada, Let’s Call The Whole Thing Off
Probably the case as well at times.
Starshield would still have ways to audit who did what and when even if users were obfuscated. To many of the wrong kinds of coincidences and people would start to notice on a controlled access network like that.
Definitely would agree about dropping all the satellite links to Ukraine.
Satellites are used to collect data.
Computers, cell phones, vehicles and devices with GPS . . .
If satellite capability is stopped, how will necessary data be collected?
0.o
Cellular networks in atmosphere and mesh networks between IoT devices at shorter range.
Satellites do the same with larger physical distances involved between network nodes.
Wireless is wireless, whether by direct point to point connections or more omnidirectionally.
The difference is what each link can support for bandwidth and latency.
BOTH SIDES HAVE BEEN Using BROADBAND to DATALINK to the Drones and Missiles.
https://en.belsat.eu/91739697/informnapalm-russia-uses-belarusian-cell-towers-for-drone-attacks-on-ukraine
https://www.cape.co/blog/ukraines-drone-strike-relied-on-cell-networks
If satellite capability is stopped
You seem to be confusedly aggregating a broad variety of different satellites of different kinds deployed for different purposes under a single invented(?) rubric you call “satellite capability”
With regard to Ukraine, universal “satellite capability” is not at issue
The issue is with the specific systems Starlink and Starshield and their use by Ukraine for military targeting
Specifically, Zelensky has claimed that whichever system Ukraine uses has been “slowed down” such that it’s no longer effective for tracking / targeting
In the early days of GPS (Global Positioning Systems), the precision/accuracy of data available for civilian purposes was intentionally degraded from the raw accuracy of the satellite feed, the idea being that the super-accurate data should only be available for military and intelligence purposes.
Sounds to me like there’s a similar issue here.
When Zelensky says “slowed down”, maybe it’s something like location updates are issued less frequently. If you’re trying to track incoming missiles to shoot them down and updated positions are coming less frequently, you may shoot your anti-ballistic missile at a position where the incoming is no longer where it’s at.
Or something
Other components of “satellite capability” are perfectly free to go on serving their specific missions and purposes
Similar but different.
Supposedly Ukraine was enjoying unlimited Starlink access. But now “Starlink, which is owned by Musk’s SpaceX, restricted speed limits on Tuesday night to 100mph (160km/h), meaning any weapons that travelled faster than that lost connectivity to the network.” (https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c8wy9veedgygo)
So Ukraine could no longer use commercial-grade Starlink for missile guidance or real-time control of high-speed drones. Higher speeds have supposedly been partially restored. But it’s still not intended for weapons use.
Starshield (military system) has no speed restrictions.
Hopefully PDT allowing the Starlink slowdown was his way of showing that little gnome what’s going to happen if he keeps hitting Russian energy sites and forcing him into ending that disastrous war
Is Zelenskyy speaking with incompetence, ignorance, or deception? Or, maybe some combination? I wonder if he might be being purposely deceptive hoping to geode someone into admitting that US “operatives” (read: CIA) are allowing the Ukrainian military the use of Starshield, thus admitting that the US does have a strong military presence in the area. I’m thinking they will stop at nothing in their attempts to drag the US into a shooting war with Russia, and this is just one method.
I would call it arrogance. He thinks he can boss President Trump….
And Z uses all of the above in the attempts.
I shoulda read farther down to see your comment before posting above
What can I say……..great minds think alike.
He is likely speaking with euphoria, induced by high levels of dopamine often linked to an uptake in chemical stimulants.
Off label use pharmaceuticals?
It’s that a no no?
He can’t get the name brand stuff.
Old Escobar.
Only the purest marching powder.
“………..high levels of dopamine…………..”
So….we can legitimately call him a “dope”………….
He definitely exhibits the behavior of a cocaine addict.
The EU hates Musk almost as much they hate Trump. I’m sure the midget in ladies pumps has an angle on smearing Musk as well, in hopes they’ll find another excuse to bilk Musk out of a few billion more in fines and send it to him. The guy needs the dirt nap!
And Elon just contributed to midterms.
Bigly
You mean the purple sausage lady?
😉
The purple sausage was on Scarboro and completely disengeneous. It was a lovefest as Scarboro proclaimed America’s love for Canada.
Freeland: Trump’s Policies Towards Canada ‘Are Deranged’
Friday on MS NOW’s “Morning Joe,” former Canadian Deputy Prime Minister Chrystia Freeland said President Donald Trump’s policies towards Canada “are deranged and unacceptable.”
Yeah, he’s a weasel…dangerous one, at that.
But, in other news, damn that photo of Rubio just screams of ‘run, Rubio, run’ in ’28. Got my vote.
That picture of Rubio warms the cockles of my heart! I don’t know what cockles are but you sure can tell what Rubio’s thinking!
Cockles are an english ribbed clam. They are heat shaped and there is inferrence to deep down in your heart sir.
Heart shaped, stupid fingers!
Yes, Rubio has strong body language…bill
Rubio is from Florida. He knows a cokehead when he sees one. He looked like he was ready to grab the dirtbag and toss him out of the oval office. Oh wait, he actually did ask him to leave.
Just cut him off. It is ridiculous this both sides and in the middle garbage has gone on this long. The lives spent is beyond comprehension.
This has gone way beyond ridiculous …
And, whose fault is that?
Is Trump calling the shots or not? This kind of stuff makes him look ineffectual.
Straight talk. Needs a lesson from Harry Truman.
Correction, his book was Plain Speaking.
For black ops programs, Trump likely does not have knowledge nor clearance. Neither does congress. That needs to change.
If you cut him off Vladimir Zelenskyy will not be able to play the piano.
If Z were out, he couldn’t use either. Just sayin…
If you are using Starlink to break things and kill people, that surely does sound like a banned military use of the service!
Musk needs to cut these clowns off … permanently!!!
It also makes them a target for a Russian attack which would sabotage any goodwill between Trump and Putin.
Bla bla bla … who cares if its potato or potaato.
As long as the Ukrainians are getting; US Money, US Weapons, US INTEL Assets (Human and Systems) support, US Military “Volunteers and otherwise” support, access to Starlink and just stern messages from the President and Secretary of State … who cares and what difference does it make to ending the war???
One cannot call for diplomacy and then pretend to not be part of the problem.
It is plain as day to even the casual observer what is happening and what is needed … unless there is some background the public is not being told.
One cannot call for diplomacy and then pretend not to be part of the problem, period.
Is he high?
No, I think he’s only 5’6″…
5’6″ can be considered high.
To a piano?
where’s wordman?
I absolutely loathe that little man.
I just got an advertisement in the mail that Starlink is available in my area.
Now I can go to war. /s
Time to inventory the old model rockets and engines.
Given that Mexican cartels have been sending their recruits over to Ukraine for real-world drone and combat training, SOMEBODY could be getting the tools to go to war.
So the Z man is now trading drone technology & training for his coke supply?
Modern world. Warfare with terms and conditions. I guess it was always mostly a business transaction.
“OhhhhOhhhh that smell, can’t you smell that smell?”
Leonerd Skinner
Lynyrd Skynyrd
Logboom is sort of right, the band’s monicker is a mocking send – up of the name of the founding members’ high school Phys Ed teacher, Leonard Skinner.
Yes, he is using the commercial Starlink against company policy. Anybody think the poor civilians are using it just for basic survival? Shut it down Elon and move those satellites.
Z just admitted that they violated terms of agreement twice, and can’t supply their troops without Starlink, so maybe switching it off may help end this.
It’s time for PDJT to announce ALL aid to Ukraine is being suspended in order to force an end to the war. If Putin were to agree to a ceasefire and give up a tiny portion of what he has captured, it would be over unless Z doesn’t stop poking the bear.
I think Elon is speaking to us in code saying that if it were his company’s control through their policy… then they would shut Ukraine down for violations. Elon is telling us that OUR GOVT is allowing this and he’s got no power over the military version. Z-man is using the govt militarized version. At least that’s what I’m gathering. This is the first I’m hearing of the military version of Starlink… called Starshield… but we know now.
Thank You. You’ve looked around the bullsh_t they’ve piled in front of us. Ukraine’s probably been using Starshield all along.
Trump needs to kick Hegseth in the ass and get this ended. Probably Radcliff too. Tell them to end it or else.
I am astonished that President Trump does not have ”the measure of this wanna-be” dictator. I have always applauded the astute thinking of the President, but I am growing increasingly concerned that President Trump is lacking the political acuity he always displayed.
”A well-known variation attributes the idea to Plato, stating that “the measure of a man is what he does with power”—meaning that true character is revealed by whether someone uses influence to dominate others or to act with fairness and compassion.” Zelensksy uses his influence to dominate.
I feel that Zelensky is using President Trump to keep the war going as he is making billions off it, and that money is not benefiting the good people of Ukraine, but himself. The US should stop all involvement in this war. No money, no military equipment, no shared intelligence, etc.
Huh? Have you not listened to President Trump’s comments on Z that last week?
If the US was serious about stopping this war they wouldn’t be sharing intelligence with Ukraine.
You can’t have it both ways.
Blaming the monster Zelenskyy for keeping the war going while you’re feeding him intelligence to keep the war going is hypocrisy it’s finest.
It’s no wonder Putin doesn’t trust anything anybody says.
And of course Musk didn’t know the munchkin had hacked starlink to work like starshield and neither did nato or the us. Ya right.😒🤨
Long past time to cut the midget cokehead off.
Or, we could just wait for winter.
“We try hard to keep these separate.”
Well, golly gee!
I’ll try hard to feel better about all that, then.
🎯
Never bite the hand that feeds you! Now it’s time to show the loudmouth midget who’s the boss.
No more billions, no weapons, no intelligence, no starlink and no starshield.
Let him go to his EU globalist friends for his support. They can’t provide what the US has given this little dictator. Besides, the EU leaders support Zelensky, but the EU citizens don’t. EU citizens are more than fed up with Zelensky, his war and the absurd energy prices as a result. You think that you pay premium prices for diesel in the US? Come to Europe! €2,70 a liter is the price overhere. That more than $11 a gallon!
What are you complaining about?
Most Europeans like to see Zelensky removed from power, the sooner, the better, regardless by elections or assassination. It’s a piece of cake for the Mossad to take him out. But unfortunately it’s not their war.
Does bibi owe us any favors? Asking for a friend.
What a disgusting and vile thing to be involved in. We are supporting the wrong side and have been since Maiden 2014.
We facilitated the ‘wrong’ side being there in the first place. 2014 was a US op.
Looking again to the epic pic of Rubio, he looks like he wishes for a baseball bat like Robert DeNiro’s Capone had in The Untouchables.
Paraphrase: “Perhaps this is the root of the problem.”
P.S.: At first, we also thought that Karie Zacharia would serve as White House press secretary longer than Anthony Scaramucci. How wrong we were.
“Western donors remain largely unfazed by the staggering costs, given that over $235 billion in Russian state assets are currently immobilized under European jurisdiction (amounting to nearly $300 billion globally).“
Are they immobilized or have they already been spent? It seems more like a Ponzi scheme to me.
Follow up questions are always “Hun?” and “What”, such a BS’er
presume you meant “Huh?”
Hun is what you call your wife
“Hun” in Baltimore it has a wider use. LOL! I live just south of Baltimore .
thx, fencer
caused me to look me up some Ballmer slang
17 Baltimore Slang Terms You Should Know
Ukraine is a money pit for the American taxpayer. As for politicians in Washington, it is a gigantic money laundering machine and the ONLY reason we have sent billions of American hard-earned taxpayer money, weapons, food, you name it, to a country we have no ties to, who has no economic or national security interest in the United States. I have always believed the only reason we are involved is because there is not another country on earth, except for Ukraine, that is so corrupt and can launder huge amounts of dirty money that the politicians and other users must save it from Russia at all costs. Otherwise, Russia would want a big cut of the money, and our politicians cannot have that. In my personal opinion.
The Biden family was neck deep in Ukraine. That told me everything I needed to know.
I hope this guy is gone soon. So sick and tired of hearing about Ukraine. I remember the clowns (useful idiots) who fell hook line and sinker for the BS stories surrounding this country. The colors and the Ukrainian Flag were a dead give away that that they were useful idiots who are clueless.
We never should have been involved with this country. It has been a complete fraud since day 1. All the money and resources spent (stolen no doubt at a very high rate).
Zelensky is an enemy of the USA , (Neo Nazi) he should be dealt with like he was the head of Hamas or Iran. Peace will follow.
I’m done with z.
Zelenskyy Says He Uses Starlink Systems to Attack Russia
So what are we going to do?
Send Federal Trade Commission attorneys after him for violating the Terms of Service Agreement ?
It is very unlikely that DoW would allow Ukrainians to use Starshield. Strict security protocols govern access, and we’re unlikely to let them inside. They are using Starlink and expect to do whatever the hell they want. Talk about entitlement!
Who/what controls Starshield?
Pentagon, I believe.
I would say the Space Force
Yes, that makes more sense.
I am astonished that the “Turd in a sweat suit” Z just said that they don’t use Starlink offensively but that they do use it offensively. What a dolt. He is an oxygen thief of the highest level.
That little imp should be feeding worms not destroying his own nation. The sooner God collects this one the better off society will be. Send his ass to hell where he belongs.
Is Z lying?
Well, his lips were moving, weren’t they?
Nuff said.
“we try hard to keep these separate:
who is “WE”?
noting: there is no significant difference between the physical leosat assets described as star shield and star link. the ONLY difference is that LUT (ground based operations centers) for star shield are maintained and staffed by Military Personnel (also technically advised by Starlink Employees). The “encryption” methods to obfuscate traffic content is not materially separated. This means that operators AT starshield LUT centers can at any time fully interact ANY starlink LEO asset and combine it with Starshield. Basically, there are no dedicated and uniquely separated star link and starshield satellites. The entire constellation can and is being used for both commercial and military purposes.
this is generally also true for nearly all GEO and LEO sat assets. Described as commercial assets, but can be placed in military service. In the same way for a comparison that cell towers, or undersea cable internet, or even your local ISP can be drawn into law enforcement, homeland defense, and or DOD purposes. If the USG determines needs under national security any company operating a network is compelled to provide access with so much as a NSI letter…
God Bless America
Sorry…I think I stepped on your reply.
observation: many speak about removing/taking out z. However, it must be stated that z is not some kind of singular figure by which this war will continue or end. The entire agenda to continue this war, to grift from it, and to create a forever war is in fact in the interests of a wide variety, both against Russia and obviously Russia itself. It’s challenging at times to try to understand this war, because so many people really don’t understand what is at stake. it IS AN ENERGY WAR. Russia has trillions upon trillions at stake to BECOME a global energy market maker. They are not that at the present. They can be, should they take Ukraine, gain unfettered control of both land mass for pipeline distribution and the obviously the warm water Crime Sea Ports as well as the numerous deep draft river systems, few of which actually require dredging maintenance. The natural resources of Ukraine are literally the only thing preventing RUS from becoming a new and formidable energy market maker. On the opposite side are the interests of SA and the US in that order. This war will continue until rus and those oil market makers agree to terms that russ does not disrupt price markets. (do not dump cheap energy on the global market). Rus has not intentions of agreeing to these terms. They have put so much effort and time, money and human toll into this war, I am certain they would not agree to agreeing to terms that would force them to operate their energy schedules of export and be controlled by the US nor SA.
tldr: z is killed or removed or steps down, and likewise, Putin or even President Trump, or even the king/prince of SA. Those people are temporary (important but not in the future tense when energy market making is concerned). They play a role in current policy, and obviously military operations, but they will over time be replaced with someone else…a figurehead, a political variable. Not downplaying the significance of any of these people, but they are not acting in some super role in isolation. They perform a policy of action to protect the interests of their own nation state and in this particular case it’s about protecting and isolating the global market makers from interference from the trillions of cheap and inexpensive Russian oil and natural gas. This war is unlikely to end. There are no signs that either side is willing to agree to terms with regard to how to share energy market making participation.
God Bless America
Reminds me of the IRGC and its ability to carry on no matter how many leaders we take out.
The best way in Ukraine, IMO, is to cut off all support but that gets trickier with CONgress critters and judiciary getting involved.
“…We couldn’t use a tool that helps protect people. That’s very painful and frustrating…”
Protect people..?
Since Zelenskyy seeks to protect people, why not STOP the war and have peace?
Musk said: …”We try hard to keep these separate.”
Do which one does Z-man have?
The coke head continues slobbering out of his mouth.
Starlink starshield starwars he doesn’t know the difference, if only a starship would beam him up.
The guy is getting coke head damentia.
When you are defending your country from invasion by Russian aggressors, you have to use every option you can find. President Zelenskyy is doing just that and should be commended for his government’s success against the enemy. Whether he will prevail in the long term is questionable but rolling over and surrendering is hardly a realistic option.
Starlink Fiasco Heats Up as Zelensky Begs for Billions From Politically Pooped Europe
Simplicius
“…It seems the Western world, and particularly that of Europe, has become a circus. The latest breaking headline from Politico gives us insight into the type of important matters being handled by Europe’s finest at the European Council summit while they gas themselves up—no pun intended—over Ukraine’s plight:
What can we say? There’s something rotten in Brussels.
There’s no question that this cabal and its primitive political circus continues to stink.”
https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/starlink-fiasco-heats-up-as-zelensky
“but claims he only uses them inside Ukraine territory.”
Ratface lies about as good as any other coke snorting liar does.
I can’t wait to hear Trump start callling him Weazelenskyy
Zelenskyy is such a darn liar
Z to Europe:
“The war will cost 155 bn Euros next year
And we need at least another 70bn Euros from you for defense, weapons and our resilience
This is a realistic amount and I ask you to find this support. It will help us deter Russia”
https://nitter.netbub.com/Osint613/status/2111090717867286854#m
In terms of macroeconomic scale, €153 billion is larger than the annual economic output of many sovereign nations.
This sum is higher than the entire annual Gross Domestic Product (GDP) of nations like Slovakia, Bulgaria, or Luxembourg. It represents more than half the annual GDP of advanced, mid-sized European economies like Portugal or Finland
Former German Chancellor Angela Merkel on Chancellor Friedrich Merz: “We are two completely different characters.” “He is governing the country in a difficult time.” “He not only has President Putin, who is behaving very aggressively, but also an American president who is causing us many problems”
https://nitter.netbub.com/Osint613/status/2111102790651011412#m
Says the one who led hordes of Mudslimes into Europe
If Donald Trump is causing “many problems” for Germany, the first thing we should do is remove the tens of thousands of American military members from Germany and leave the Germans alone to solve their own problems without Americans spending billions of American taxpayer dollars to prop up the German economic destruction they have brought upon themselves.
Trump said a Russia-Ukraine peace deal would be reached without Zelenskyy, calling him harder to deal with than Putin Key remarks:
– Zelenskyy says he wants a deal but “doesn’t really want to.”
– Ukraine needs elections, Trump said, claiming Ukrainians are unhappy with the war.
– Russia can afford to lose far more men than Ukraine, he argued. –
Trump called Ukrainian strikes on Russian oil refineries “a disgrace.”
– He claimed Ukraine sold missiles supplied under Biden.
– Trump quoted a young Ukrainian woman saying: “President Zelenskyy destroyed our country.”
https://nitter.netbub.com/NewsContext360/status/2110989610331336868#m
Putin envoy Kirill Dmitriev on U.S. ties: Russia and the U.S. are discussing joint projects in the Arctic and in LNG.
The U.S. Finance Ministry asked the RDIF fund to facilitate a diesel deal.
On the late Senator Graham’s sanctions bill: it blocks Russia-U.S. investment cooperation, and there is growing recognition in the U.S. that it was a mistake.
https://nitter.netbub.com/Osint613/status/2111096380341047793#m
Sorry, I can’t view the video. Time is too precious. What a dweeb.
We’ve already spent $833 from each of all 360 million Americans. Enough.
The guy is acting contrary to our national interests.
IMHO, he has outlived his usefulness.
This was supposed to be an EU summit about the EU’s long-term budget. But things are never easy for EU leaders, and world events have a nasty habit of making their way onto the itinerary.
21 things we learned at the EU leaders’ summit
From the budget and migration to a terrible smell in the press room, here’s POLITICO’s rundown of the latest European Council.
Lynyrd Skynyrd “That Smell”
Can we all just acknowledge this little tyrant canceled an election. He is not legitimately elected.
Time to shut down this lying grifter.