I find this statement by Andrew Wilson to be generally accurate: “The Epstein files create so much emotional charge that having rational discourse about them is basically impossible. People want arrests but don’t know who they want arrested. They want justice but don’t know who they want justice for. Totally Incoherent outrage. Mob panic.”
A mass formation psychosis has fallen upon the Epstein matters and clouded the judgement of reasonable people.
It’s the “reasonable people” facet that became the challenge that Thomas Massie and Ro Khanna needed to control.
Led by financing from the anti-Trump administrative state allies, they created a controversy. Thomas Massie needed to create a political crisis he could manufacture, exploit and manage. Something his political paymasters could benefit from and simultaneously use as a pivot issue maximize his income capacity. His wife is dead; this is the payday opportunity to relaunch his mid-life masculinity and gain Instagram celebrity status to align with his physical makeover.
Together with Ro Khanna, Massie thirsts for the viral dopamine hit of “fighting the deep state.” They mounted a full-court press: public letters, hearing grandstanding, coordinated X and TikTok outrage campaigns, the whole performative circus. Algorithmically boosted appearances via social media allies, then promoted by content creators and influencers who adhere to the financial control dials within the algorithm.
Visibility looks organic, but it’s not. The consuming public, the mob, are mice with their head in a vice, gaze affixed to the content of a screen with images on a repeat pattern they do not control. Swipe – swipe, there it is again. Why, this must be trending or something.
“Release EVERYTHING immediately!” the mob shrieked. Implying that any delay, any careful review, was proof of a cover-up protecting whichever boogeyman the algorithmic boosters hated that week. Trump, Clinton, Gates, Trump, Musk, Bannon, Trump, Lutnick, take your pick. Psychologically, the screenplay is textbook narcissistic projection fused with political opportunism.
Institutional caution must be defined as corrupt, because institutional credibility has been shattered. Like classic narcissists they weaponized a crisis they created because their motives are impure: sway, clout, money – influence and affluence – and the delicious thrill of wielding moral superiority over faceless bureaucrats. Even Ted Cruz and Casey DeSantis blush at the scale they never attempted.
Yes, they whipped the social media mob into a frothing “transparency or treason” frenzy, leaving the DOJ with two choices: take the time to do it right and be accused of obstruction, or just dump it all and tell Massie to FU.
Pam Bondi and Todd Blanche just gave Thomas Massie the middle finger.
[SOURCE]
Grey4626 – “Enjoy the flood. – Real disclosures about actual powerful figures get drowned in algorithmic noise.
Victims’ advocates watch in horror as legitimate evidence is contaminated by deliberate chaos. This isn’t transparency. This is sabotage disguised as principle.
Massie and Khanna didn’t expose the guilty; they deliberately violated established privacy protections, poisoned the evidentiary well, and handed disinformation merchants a gift-wrapped distraction.
They own every bit of this circus…the confusion, the defamation of the innocent, the dilution of actual accountability. You demanded unfiltered truth without the patience or intelligence to handle it.
Congratulations.
You got exactly what you begged for”
Froth-at-the-mouth Massie can now race around pouncing on all the millions of released Epstein tidbits.
What a bloviating 🐴’s ass!
If he explains his name on the list.
IMESHO, both Khanna and Massie have proven that the RNC should find responsible people to replace them in the next primary. Wasn’t Massie against the SAVE ACT???
Khanna is a Democrat.
Maybe the release of these files will finally help to rid us of these fools and charlatans once and for all. At least it’s a good start.
“..Like classic narcissists they weaponized a crisis they created because their motives are impure: ”
There is the rub. Impure motives.
Now, they have what the irrational mob wanted, baited by Massie & Kohanan., and the comment at the end says it all.
A mob doesn’t understand nuance. Like Elizabeth Warren and the dems.
The innocent and the guilty all wrapped together in a mash pit.
Epstein and his ilk were gossips, and information whores.
Of course everyone who’s anyone is named in the e-malis.
It’s going to take digging and matching and every e-mail read and matched to names so that
it is clear what level were the names on the list embroiled with the monsters or were perimeter people
or were being targeted.
MTG on the list. I can’t wait to hear what she has to say about that.
PR firms, and agents who represent the celebrities, and the politicians are going to make a fortune defending their
client’s reputations.
This is absolutely going to be such a cluster-F.
On the bright side, there is no way the MSM can ignore the story.
I want to hear them say blood drinking, sacrificing, mutilation, and cannibalism.
SAY IT!!!!! CNN MSNOW
How many 1D10Ts from the Enemedia appear on that list???? Even had a Pope included??? Probably will serve the clowns and losers in the Enemedia to distract from the real issues of financial fraud in Federal adencies nationwide, and from the significance if VOTER ID!!!
So here are 300 or so names of persons “named” in the Epstein files. Why, exactly, were their names in the files? Were they active participants in defiling young women/men or were they mentioned in discussions of something else? All of the people out there howling into the wind about ‘who, what, when, where, why, and how” should now do deep dives into the available documents and come up with valid reasons for those on the list.
Footnote 2: “Individuals whose names were redacted for law-enforcement sensitive purposes are not included.”
WTH does that mean? Are there ongoing cases? And, if there are ongoing cases, why not just say that.
I think Nanzi would be proud of this use of the “wrap up smear.”
The wrap up smear indeed, Nancy. “See how it works?”, you once asked. Why, yes. Yes indeed.
Teenage girls, informants, …
Regardless of where people sit on the Epstein issue, I believe everyone can agree that Trump kept his promise. Is there anything remaining that Trump has not keep his word on?
He is the most honest, principled politician in modern-day history. And the easiest way to prove it is to hear what he says and see what he does. There won’t be another one like him for a long time. You gotta love him!
Yes, there was one thing he has not kept promising and that is accountability for the corrupt SOB’s that spied on him 2015, lied to the FISA judges, without accountability, manufactured the bogus Russian intelligence.ca at Obama’s ordering, how many more should we go on?
USAG Bondi has those files on her desk.
Weak DOJ. Was this an agreement?
“You can tackle trade, the economy, South America, Iran, Russia… but leave the Deep State and retribution alone. Hire rubes at DOJ and FBI.”
Well, you do know that he still has a few years left to do so. Any case they bring better be airtight because the left would like nothing better if it isn’t. Keep in mind who own the courts right now. They will not be helpful to Trump.
From a wise article by Rod Martin that he posted in Substack, the following quote is presented here:
“Let’s start with some scriptural reminders about how to assess “breaking news” and “shocking claims.” First, Proverbs 18:13 teaches us that, “If one gives an answer before he hears, it is his folly and shame.” I’ve done that before. I’ve weighed in prematurely and ended up with egg on my face. Have you?
Exodus 23:2 is even more to the point: “You shall not fall in with the many to do evil, nor shall you bear witness in a lawsuit, siding with the many, so as to pervert justice.” In other words, time and truth go hand in hand. Hot takes, not so much.“
End quote.
The rest of the article expands on this theme and explains why so many have been caught rushing to judgment, which is actually against true, biblical Christian doctrine.
Ref. https://www.rodmartin.org/p/christian-you-got-played-again-on?
Correct, what I call the “Give us Barabbas!” crowd…hand picked rabble to foment a desired result, truth be damned.
Great descriptor for the “easily manipulated” segment of society.
Excellent article, Bari. The 9th commandment (Exodus 20:16) and its elaboration in Exodus 23 really connected and raised my awareness. Also his explanation of the propaganda cycle.
My Mom has on her usual CBS Sunday Morning show in the other room and I could hear a story about losing a child in a shooting. Never mentioned gun control, but it was clear after reading the article how it was Step One in the cycle: pure emotional propaganda to influence beliefs about gun control.
Thanks for the link.
Yes! I was struck that the post & bible verses focused on a concept in Christian doctrine that is especially important while we are bombarded with so many attention-grabbing fake news headlines today. .
Amen.
Thank you.
YW!
Add to these, “sound wisdom has two sides” (Job 11:6 ERV) and “sound judgment must look at both sides.” (EHV). It is way past time for the people of God to stop believing everything we see and/or hear in the media without question. No issue is what it appears to be on the surface. What we see, what we are told about what we see, and what is really going on are usually three completely different realities.
When confronted with emotionally incendiary accusations, data, or information, it’s best to take a step back, do your own research, and make sure you know the truth before speaking or believing something quite likely to be false.
Good points. However I’m not finding that phrase “sound wisdom has two sides” or any phrase close to it in Job 11 regardless of Bible version (my bible software has all versions). Can you confirm the entire verse?
The Bible Gateway.com (https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/Job%2011%3A6) has the Easy-to-Read Version / ERV: “He could tell you the secret of wisdom. He would tell you that every story has two sides. You can be sure of this: God is not punishing you as much as he should.”
Evangelical Heritage Version / EHV: “and show you the secret of wisdom, because sound judgment must look at both sides. Then you would know that God has even forgotten some of your guilt!”
In its context, Job believed himself to be blameless before God and undeserving of his fate. However, his friend Zophar felt that God, in His wisdom, had a different point of view and had not dealt with Job as he deserved. Of course, neither of them knew of Satan’s role in Job’s misfortunes.
God’s perspective is usually different from ours and well worth seeking before we trust or believe what others say. In His omniscience, God knew He could trust the obedient faithfulness of Job, whose testimony was “though He slay me, yet will I trust Him.” (Job 13:15)
Job ultimately overcame the Adversary’s setbacks. All except for Mrs. Job. “Curse God and die” is definitely not the recipe for a happy marriage! 🙂
OK. It’s obviously an interpretive / translation-dependent nuance, and I raised the question, so thank you for your reply. I acknowledge this is very off-topic for this comments thread so we should end the discussion here.
ZERO arrests
A “dead” perpetrator with his handler/gf in a country club prison for gals…with rumblings of clemency
I guess no young women were trafficked, abused, sexually assaulted, or tortured by powerful people. No victims, thus no justice to serve.
Let’s change his epitaph to “St. Jeffrey” with a big apology for the libel and slander of him in his “afterlife”
I often wonder what is the deal with Kentucky? They’ve got Beshear as governor who loves woke trans rights. Then you have Cocaine Mitch who controls the Senate (well now it may be his staff since he’s off in lala land). Add in wacky Rand Paul and narcissist Massie and there’s a lot of dysfunctional politicians. There’s more – you could add Rep Barr who is trying to run for Mitch’s seat and he’s just like Mitch. Thank goodness there’s a decent challenger to Barr in Nate Morris. But seeing how KY goes, he probably won’t win. I had a coworker from KY who was just like these people.
KY is one of the fringe southern states that taxes everything that moves or doesn’t move. It’s business unfriendly and worker unfriendly with all it’s local/county/state income taxes. KY voters seem to go for anything against their own best interests and the country.
Yes, Kentucky is a real mess. Plus some highly suspect (manipulation) voting taking place.
But it has nice horses with nice grass to eat.
Massie married a Rand Paul staffer 20 years younger.
The woman he married visited his home in KY while his wife was still alive. Something off about Massie.
Was the movie “Deliverance” filmed in Kentucky? That would explain a lot. Asking for a friend.
Don’t forget that several of President Abraham Lincoln’s in-laws were prominent Kentuckians who sided with the Confederacy. This caused him all sorts of difficulties during the War (of Northern Aggression; Rebellion; Civil; etc.) Take your pick!
Look up books written about the Beverly Hills Supper Club Fire. Northern Kentucky,
across the river from Cincinnati was an absolute mob strong hold. Basically Las Vegas
before Las Vegas, with the same Cleveland based mobsters pulling the strings.
When Bugsy was opening Vegas up, he recruited his Casino pros out of Kentucky. Of course the Shine networks were also well established.
Look for a book called “Blue Grass Conspiracy”. Covers a drug cartel run out of Lexington 70s/80, known as The Company”.
When Kentucky Blueblood Drew Thornton parachuted to his death in September 1985 carrying thousands in cash and 150 pounds of cocaine, the gruesome end of his startling life blew open a scandal that reached to the most secret circles of the U.S. government. The story of Thornton and The Company he served, and the lone heroic fight of State Policeman Ralph Ross against an international web of corruption, is one of the most portentous tales of the 20th century.
Sounds like the basis for a subplot in Justified.
This whole Epstein affair has been nothing more than a massive waste of time. Nothing that will benefit the United States either currently or in the future will ever be discovered or corrected.
Yes!! It’s sick and the people involved are too, but I personally don’t give a hoot. There’s other things to fix and will eliminate the next Epstein.
Crushing the “deep state” and cutting out the intelligence community cancer will prevent another Epstein.
In their effort to “get” certain people, they’ve got nothing but a bigger mess.
It may turn out to be the greatest embarrassment in U.S. history (even though it could be characterized as a Western Civilization embarrassment).
The epstein affair::
Mishandled from day 1 by bondi’s DOJ, has become a political disaster for the Trump Administration.
Bondi’s DOJ knows who the pedophyles are, they have the videos as un-refutable evidence… She (Bondi) has the evidence and authority to charge the epstein pedophiles, indict them, arrest them, and put them on trial, Yet, she refuses to do so…
The American public simply wants the guilty pedophiles to be punished for their crimes.
But, by refusing to file charges on the guilty pedophiles, bondi’s DOJ has made a mole-hill into a political mountain that the Trump Administration will now have to deal with, and should deal with before the mid-term “elections”.
Uhhh… No. Apparently you did not fully comprehend what SD wrote.
The DemonRats never let a good crisis go to waste. I suspect they will use this every way possible to blame it all on the Republicans some how, along with their fake news media lap dogs. And I bet there are some RINOS squirming in their knickers, too!
You nailed it.
Whatever, this post screams an agenda.
Names without context mean nothing. The good meaning people wanting arrests of child rapists want Bondi to do what she said she said going to do at the start. Remove the redactions to provide context.
Bring sunshine to this foreign IC op.
This might not be only a foreign IC op.
Here it is “There were so many (elite) persons involved so what does it matter ….” at MOA it is “the young girls were well paid and Epstein only masturbated with them …” , and somehow I cant upvote Terry Anderson.
Really disapointing with the “Alternative” Treehouses !
Epstein & Co. were BLACKMAILERS. Remember that first. Their web was broad and sticky, and grabbed as many names as possible. Generate notoriety. (True or false, it doesn’t matter.) Try to extort money.
Lots of idiots lavished themselves in perversions, to an absurd degree, without once considering that cameras were running. Epstein heaped it on: more glue, more glue.
But one rich and powerful man in particular, perhaps the very richest of them all, saw everything clearly and called the cops. 👮♂️
Much to my surprise, I have seen nothing so far in publicly available documents to support claims that Epstein was black mailing anyone. That was certainly my guess.
Trump DOJ was just following the law.
Now they will try to impeach him for that.
Why should anything change?
Well Massie why is your name on the list?
And AOC (formerly known as “Sandy Cortez”).
Thomas Massie and Ro Khanna are both on the list.
The problem is that just being on that list means very little; a fact which Massie and Khanna may soon admit.
I believe it is a good way of showing how easily someone can make being on this list. There are people out there that think every person mentioned in these files messed with little kids.
It just is not the case at all. This is what happens when you release all this crazy mass of content to people who do not know what to think of all of it. I know there are some guilty bad guys on there, but I also know many probably had very little association with Epstein. Just meeting, having dinner in some city or public event , and speaking to Epstein does not make a person guilty of a crime. Yet it can get you on this list.
It is going to be interesting to see what AI does with this.
Can someone create a TOC, and some type of organization? By year, by group.
Epstein is dead. Maxwell is in prison, albeit prison-lite. Clinton, Gates, Chomsky, Chopra, and maybe a dozen others are publicly disgraced. Prince Andrew was booted from the Royal Family. There are a handful who clearly did criminal things. The hundreds of others whose names we see in these lists so far have done nothing more than associate with Epstein or send inappropriate emails to him. You cannot arrest people for this.
But the crowd wants heads on a pike.
No matter how many names come out there will be lots of people saying that the government is hiding something. They will never be satisfied because they cannot be satisfied.
And if you point this out they accuse you of aiding and abetting child abuse.
It is all so tedious.
And to think it started as an attempt to get Donald Trump.
You are as bad as they are. Your logic goes like this: Many of the women were well paid prostitutes, therefore we should not be allowed to wonder if they trafficked children, tortured anyone or if the many claims of satanic rituals are true.
When the rich and powerful are involved, we should always ask questions. Sooner or later though I need to at least see some evidence, if not actual proof. The Epstein sex trafficking story is starting to look like UFO’s in Roswell, or Sasquatch sightings in Oregon.
Here is a question. Supposedly there were thousands of victims of which only a handful have come forward or been named. Why aren’t these women making more noise or admitting what happened?
Money, Honey.
Or the underage girls maybe having been dissolved in the substance Epstein ordered by the barrel?
Where is the outrage about 300K children lost during Biden? This selective which hunts, democrat hoaxes, the right keeps falling for is just amazing!!!
And they always seem to conveniently forget
that President Trump indicated during his
campaign that he would release Epstein information.
There are videos of montage clips of President Trump
talking about Epstein files/list out there.
Part of….Drain the Swamp. Promises made-Promises kept.
He even signed the order giving dumb Bondi a deadline.
And now people are saying it is a …get Trump? 🤦♀️
🤪😜Selective amnesia….or a whole lot of early dementia- old timers disease?🤪😜
Instead of pushing that President Trump did the right thing by
insisting the files being released….
Many are giving him Kudos for releasing. 👍 👏 👍
When talking to actual people, Epstein always comes up. The talk is about
how corrupt the “elites” ,top finance and government people are.
They are not happy that we are/were referred to as…goyim.🤬 How child
trafficking and child predators are a problem in our country.
That is what is discussed.
Has Massie …ever made it into the conversation…..never.
We don’t live in Kentucky….we don’t vote for him…could care less.🙄🤷♀️
It could have been a purple polka dotted people eater…doesn’t matter…
the who….and how ….doesn’t matter. Files are out there now.
Promises made-Promises kept!
You can “wonder” ALL YOU WANT. What you should not do is be willing to burn down the houses of the innocent-til-proven-guilty in order to get inside the palace.
Your willingness to do so marks you as unethical, and that’s putting it nicely. I could say more about people like you, but I’ll hold my tongue.
Go read my comment again. You created a straw man argument to beat about. I said nothing about if I thought this was a good idea or fair.
It seems to me the trolls are out in force to say this is a nothing burger and we should all move on – as if it is a given that the prostitutes were all age and well paid.
You have to be stupid to believe that’s true.
Or is he? Message from prison guard and some pics of Epstein now (?) and Tony Rodham body nose/ear comparison. 🤔 🤪
https://x.com/TheRubberDuck79/status/2018180127801200729
https://x.com/SunshineS58469/status/2020271357842641133
https://x.com/Argu_Mentor/status/2019642197159887045
https://x.com/newstome72/status/2020097081671573993\
The gubmint is definitely hiding something from us. We have been lied to on numerous occasions over the decades. I have lived long enough to be able to discern the truth from bulls#!t in most cases. I don’t claim to possess a crystal ball but one thing I do have is common sense and that is something I hope to pass along to my granddaughters. They are currently being home schooled and I am determined that they will know American history, real American history, not the watered down, distorted, socialist, anti-American version being taught in pubic schools today. They will grow up to think for themselves and be encouraged to seek the truth and avoid the lies of the socialist left.
“there will be lots of people saying that the government is hiding something. “
That is because the government IS hiding something!
The DOJ is hiding the names of the pedophiles who tortured, raped, and did much worse to little children…
It has nothing to do with “getting” Donald Trump… It has to do with the DOJ protecting pedophiles simply because they are big wig politicians…
Massie today seems radically different from the Massie first elected.
CONgress/DS is quite skilled at turning it’s new members.
Massie has become what said he was against -> a professional politician.
An observation…
There seem to be quite a few whose whole personas have changed over the past, oh, let’s say 6 years, mycroft…in DC and elsewhere.
Or perhaps, in the case of those in DC, they are finally showing us who they really are.
Disturbing.
So, both Massie and Khanna were named,,,,,,
One word is applicable in this situation.
Massie and Ro Khanna are knuckleheads.
I believe Massey has remarried …. must be quite a gal ….
Ron Paul staffer, 20 years younger, now lives w him on his country estate. Married her one year after his wife’s death.
Wow! That is a real bombshell!
It is difficult to believe Ron Paul was so insensitive as to get married again… And, only a year after his wife’s death… He needs to be locked in the slammer for life for this sort of behavior…
I’m not disagreeing with the “misuse” of information. And the chaos that this event has caused.
However, in principal;
1: I believe in government transparency [I would not trust their filtered assurances of what is in the docs they wouldn’t let us see]
2: The government cannot be an arbiter of truth.
3: We the people are capable of consuming information and making our own determinations.
From the beginning on this issue, it was too obscene for my delicate sensibilities, and I wished someone would handle it sensibly.
No one stepped up. So now we are left with the messy way. I pray God leads it all towards honorable ends.
What is the unmessy way of devining from email about newspaper.articles or gossip names of those who accuse or are accused, defended or defamed. Is there an email in there describing a night when Hillary.and Bill sat down to enjoy a meal of brazed Haitian, perhaps but probably not.
If any.of these names have been redacted in whole or part from documents they need to be unredacted so that context can clear the innocent.
Credibility and trust of the higher halls is a long way off. We must never lose our skepticism but at some point we will have to mature to trust but verify.
Regarding “law enforcement sensitive” yes sounds like a dodge BUT some things are still under seal from former prosecutions and perhaps but I doubt there is ongoing prosecutions.
Most criminals or deep state actors (take your pick) do not write down there crimes. Witnesses are paid off intimidated or disappeared. Truth can not be found.
Here is the truth, what ever heinous dehumanizing debassing act you can think of right now some human being is living through and some bastard is receiving power or money in return. That is the nature of Evil.
Can we stop it? We never have. Perhaps though we as a society can start educating our children in their responsibility to lift the righteous and condemn the wicked.
Truley there is no hope without GOD
The DOJ knows who the pedophiles are… They have the evidence in video… All the DOJ had to so to devine who is guilty is to look at the videos…
Yet, the DOJ chose to protect the pedophiles…
Handling it sensibly means that bondi would have filed charges, arrested, indicted, and put on trial the pedophiles instead of trying to protect them…
And yes, Massie and Khana are both on the list. Oh my!
None of the Supreme Court justices were on the list, but …A brother – in – law was.. how telling that might be?
phew……. i’m not in there.
LOL!
There’re still redactions to be made!!!!!!!!!!!!
(sarcasm intended)
someone may not be in the clear…
…maybe there is a video of someone, walking by someone, at a store, years ago?
( or maybe, a i, can create a scene ? )
If people find out, what will they say?
I do not know
sarcasm ended
The Lord knows all about getting blamed by others… all about it…
( and, so do many other people since that time… )
Then, there is the truth… ( which some people also have problem recognizing the difference between facts and fictions )
Seeking the whole truth…
knowing my slate has been wiped clean by the Ultimate Recordkeeper makes this life easy.
Amen brother.
The truth that people can’t handle is there are some people in the world who are so powerful either due to wealth or their connection to intelligence agencies that they can’t be touched because they can deliver on a threat to end the life of anyone and/or their family members if they threaten to bring them to justice. That’s what we’re dealing with. So they can continue to worship Lucifer and do the worst things imaginable as they’ve done for centuries.
Indeed.
Bringing those rich and powerful people to justice would be the start of healing everything wrong with this world, and satan isn’t about to let that happen.
Mary McCord isn’t on the list. Doubt there’s an ‘ongoing investigation’. I figure her name would have surfaced in some kind of conversation.
Or Huma Abedin, Hillary’s personal assistant who had full access to the Clinton email server.
Or Anthony Weiner, Huma’s husband, who used Huma’s laptop with Hillary’s blackberry archive to surf for child porn.
Yes, I noticed that, nor his/her other half… seems some darkness is still upon us…??
Massie is indeed disingenuous and suffers from TDS but this entire issue is a problem for Trump solely due to the mishandling from Bondi and Patel. There was never any real threat to Trump from the release but from their botched statements and actions it created the appearance that Trump was hiding something and the Democrats were given the opportunity to pounce and they did. Trump panicked and when he made his stupid, “Are we still talking about Epstein” comment the die was cast.
Now the problem IS President Trump’s PROBLEM whether he likes it or not and he needs to address it and get all the facts out and prosecute those that can be or it will consume him. The normies are waking up to stories of cannibalism and torture and pedos and actions that most of us have known about for many years. The press dismissed us as conspiracy theorists but now that podcasters have taken over the narratives from mainstream media this will continue to spread among the masses like wildfire.
Nonsense. That horse is dead. The flies have already landed.
The post above by tax2much is the honest truth of the situation…
If you really believe it is “Nonsense”, I feel sorry for you…
The epstein thing was a molehill, but bondi and kash have made it a mountain that Trump now will have to deal with before the mid-term “elections”…
🤦♂️ 🙄
Wow.
Political capital, is that what they call it. Dirt, innuendo, guilt by association. True or false, that’s not the question.
The question, is Donald trump involved. The DC cabal hates him, the crazy liberals hate him.
The DC group knows the truth, the crazies make up the truth with the blessings of the DC group.
One more time.
If Donald Trump was involved with these sick, entitled, disgusting people, it would have been front page news 10 years ago, and Donald Trump would be in a prison cell, not the oval office, twice.
The left is too blind with hate, they will wake up one day. Maybe.
The DC group will push the narrative, until, the mob turns on them. It will happen, blind hate and rage has no ears and eyes.
Edit.
We see Ro Khanna on the list. That is it, GUILTY of what ever, resign now Ro Khanna, shame, shame, Hypocrisy.
So, there was under age going on and from the looks of the list, there was some necrophilia too.
Yes, Janis for sure. The upvote is for making me laugh. <smile>
Does anyone else believe that PDJT has been saying to Ms. Bondi “Now, Pam, don’t concern yourself with hurrying to publish these files right now. Just do a prodessional job of sorting and organizing. Of course, there may come a day when it is to our advantage to agree to meet our opponents’ demands and hand them everything they’re demanding.”
The media, the mob, the Democrats don’t want or care about justice. They only want Trump’s scalp!
Since there are some dead people on this list, I wonder if the Venn Diagram for this list and a registered voter list is one circle.
So, question, if someone can answer this:
Why did PDJT continue to refer to this as a “hoax”??? Was it the appearance or belief that anyone listed would in fact be a true Epstein ‘fellow traveler’, engaged in utter filth and depravity – which would be false, given the inclusion of Trump names? In other words, as PDJT himself knew this list was being used to tarnish him, it’s another ‘hoax’ just as all the other hoaxes he’s endured?
If so, labeling it as a “hoax” was a poor choice of wording?
A hoax is a deliberate deception intended to trick people into believing something false. It can involve spreading false information or creating misleading situations. Regarding the media/Democrats attempt to involve President Trump in Epstein’s crimes, it is a “hoax”.
Correctly stated. Kudos.
My guess would be that President Trump was lumping the Epstein story in with the “Russia Collusion” hoax”, the “Very Fine People” hoax, the “Ukraine Phone Call” hoax, the “Falsified Loan Documents” hoax, the “Election Interference” hoax, and all of the hoaxes that the democrats and their allies dreamed up to try to hurt President Trump. The only thing missing is the “Kitchen Sink” hoax. They’ve thrown everything else.
I believe you’re right. A “hoax” as to himself (and the other Trump family members included within the list) – but overall, it is definitely not a hoax.
So, by lumping the entirely of the Epstein Op into the ‘hoax’ category, he greatly misused the word. The Epstein Op was very, very real – filthy and totally depraved.
This needs to be clerified.
Ridiculous. So many names appear on that list that are no doubt just mentions in emails.
Sundance is right. It just completely muddies the investigative waters.
and the ep muddies (as untold intended),
can distract limited LE / DOJ resources in a big government,
from the other certain investigative etc. needs. ( elections, benghazi, fast and furious, irs, artic frost … )
[ and yes, there are ep victims of which many want to continue on with their current lives – without reliving a bad past …
…and perhaps some others want to leverage a bad past, to gain something, by hurting someone else via vengeance …
(which will not change the past) ]
…to those that have not sinned,
let them cast the first stone. – John 8: 7-11
(everyone dropped their stones, and reflected and pondered their own prior weakness ….)
Love thy neighbors…
Time to move the goalposts
Everyone should read the full post by Grey4626 linked above. It’s very good.
Marilyn Monroe?? I knew it!
The troublesome part to me is the redactions under 2 (c):
*Graphic images of death or abuse*
One has to know there were snuff films, torture, and rape included in the confiscated materials.
Those ARE the list. None of the other names matter one whit.
We can only hope those are the ones currently under investigation.
Who in the government ran this honeypot trap for years? That’s the question.
You should probably be asking “which governments”.
Maybe the group wants to organize a reunion,
to share notes and experiences?
Maybe the person in prison could make a guest visit with everyone?
[ perhaps some ‘news’ folks would like to cover it ? ]
Would that be a hoot?
or likely, not… (as prior phone contact numbers etc. … get ‘wiped with a cloth’ ?)
I do not know
John Roberts is not on this list. I’m surprised. P-Diddy is not on the list.
Pam Bondi is not on this list, but I saw a screenshot of the first page of allegedly the same list, and Pam Bondi’s name appeared. That document appeared to be the legal document released by Pam Bondi’s office.
So, there seems to be some discrepancies.
One can tell that this is nothing more than a “look, squirrel” distraction to spell out a narrative meant to deter the country’s progress against globalism and other marxist objectives.
Any crimes committed by Epstein companions should have been dealt with years ago when they were happening, but they weren’t because it involved rich and powerful people who were able to avoid accountability for their behavior.
So now the game is to create a “problem” so these idiots can “solve” it – right out of the leftist playbook. They have already let the criminals off the hook because most of them are indeed the same leftists that are now screaming about the matter or are the lackeys in their camp that are hired to throw down obstacles on behalf of their paymasters. This is where Massie fits in – he thinks he’s playing in the big boys’ sandbox, but he’s just a useful idiot.
The bondi memo refers to “videos”. She earlier referred to lots of videos. Have a lot of “videos” been released (with victims faces blocked out, which would be easy to do with AI) ? I only remember a few still pictures of bill clinton in a pool, no videos of the type that would have been taken by te rumored video-equipment setup.
Maybe they are stored in Fort Knox, to be released with th promised audit?
“Be Careful What You Wish For!” 🤡
Hey, Massie’s name is in the list. Does that make him “more” than just an idiot? Like maybe some sort of…???
once again …
Trump Was RIGHT.
This list does little if any good. What it DOES do is to prolong another National Angst.
***
rPOTUS, please …
start using the word SWAMP in every other sentence (again).
The disclaimer accompanying the list absolves all those on the list. But, of course, that was the point. Mass psychosis, indeed – far broader than just this 💩show.
I sent this to a friend on the opposite side of the political spectrum a couple weeks ago. Perhaps I’m wrong, but, here’s my view for the moment.
“Today I’ll give my view on the Epstein issue.
After mulling it over for quite a while I believe nearly the entire thing is an elaborate fraud. It is beyond belief that so many powerful people from all aspects of society – both sides of the isle in politics, ceo’s, powerful influencers- would be so foolish as to let themselves become hostage to whoever controls the data on their interactions with Epstein or his island. IMO it’s much more likely the intelligence agencies framed these people in order to make the powerful compliant to their wishes. In today’s era any “evidence” can be produced. I trust none of it. There certainly ARE files that incriminate many, but I have come to believe they’re blackmail propaganda.”
Many on the lists certainly are scum, but it’s beyond incredible they’re that stupid.
Believe you are under estimating those in power feeling they are beyond touch and their deeds are righteously deserved since they serve.
If so, and I wouldn’t mind if you are right, it would be just to try them, convict them, then publicly hang them high and let the birds strip their carcasses.
I disagree with Wilson, Democrats know exactly whom they want to target: their political opponents starting with Trump. That’s why Khanna, Raskin, Goldman and their liberal media allies screaming about “accountability” and “justice for the survivors” don’t mention names like Reid Hoffman, Kathy Ruemmler and Whoopi Goldberg (yes, Whoopi Goldberg) whose names are found all over the files.
Same Democrats and liberal media bleating about “transparency” who frame the Clintons as heroes fighting Trumpian tyranny for blowing off subpoenas to testify and tell what they know about their friend Epstein. It’s all theater. It’s all fake.
Where we are now is Somebody did Something to Someone. Where did I hear that before?
Why would a government run by Democrats allow open borders and allow 500,000 children to be trafficked into the country. Why would the Democrats turn control of the border over to Drug Cartels while this is happening. And there are
NO ARRESTS.
This is Massie, 2021:
A picture is worth 1000 words.
He Massie is not comfortable holding a fire arm with his wimpy little wispy wrist. His posture is that of a testerone depleted milineal.
I called his office to ask why he is against Trump all the time and got the typical response the day before he voted with DEMONcrats to stop Canadian tarriffs. Calling the day after I simply called to say he proved me correct DEAD SCILENCE. I had to ask if she was still there. Yes CLICK>
At least you got a real person. I have called several Congress members and only been allowed to leave a message that goes into some black hole somewhere.
I was supremely disappointed in the list, in that
Clinton, Bill
was not followed by
Clinton, George
Best funk EVAH
The Atomic Dog!
Doctor Funkenstein.
I saw this picture in 2021 and immediately wondered how an ostensibly lowly Mr. Massie Drives to Washington subsistence minded Off The Grid With Thomas Massie congresscritter would have the resources and ability to acquire an M-60.
Sea Island Asset writ large.
Ukraine is accepting volunteer foreign fighters to replenish the ranks.