President Trump confirmed on Fox News (during an interview with Brian Kilmeade) he gave Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelenskyy a week to review the 28-point peace proposal organized by Secretary of State Marco Rubio and Special Envoy Steve Witkoff.
Ukraine will likely never agree to the proposal, because too many European and American interests are grounded in maintaining conflict between Russia and Ukraine. However, the shift this time is that if Ukraine/EU/NATO and Congress do not agree to the ceasefire and peace proposal, President Trump has indicated he will withdraw all support.
Axios originally obtained the 28-page proposal, and Politico has confirmed it.
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Zelenskyy – “President of Ukraine Volodymyr Zelenskyy held a joint phone call with President of France Emmanuel Macron, Prime Minister of the United Kingdom Keir Starmer, and Federal Chancellor of Germany Friedrich Merz.
The Head of State thanked them for their principled support for Ukraine and for all our people.
The parties discussed the plan for peace for Ukraine and all of Europe. The leaders value the efforts of the United States, President Trump, and his team aimed at ending this war, and are working on the document prepared by the American side. This must be a plan that ensures a real and dignified peace.
The leaders are coordinating closely to make sure that the principled stances are taken into account. Volodymyr Zelenskyy, Emmanuel Macron, Keir Starmer, and Friedrich Merz coordinated the next steps and agreed that the teams will work together at the corresponding levels.” (link)
1. Ukraine’s sovereignty will be confirmed.
2. A comprehensive non-aggression agreement will be concluded between Russia, Ukraine and Europe. All ambiguities of the last 30 years will be considered settled.
3. It is expected that Russia will not invade neighboring countries, and NATO will not expand further.
4. A dialogue will be held between Russia and NATO, mediated by the United States, to resolve all security issues and create conditions for de-escalation in order to ensure global security and increase opportunities for cooperation and future economic development.
5. Ukraine will receive reliable security guarantees.
6. The size of the Ukrainian Armed Forces will be limited to 600,000 personnel.
7. Ukraine agrees to enshrine in its constitution that it will not join NATO, and NATO agrees to include in its statutes a provision that Ukraine will not be admitted in the future.
8. NATO agrees not to station troops in Ukraine.
9. European fighter jets will be stationed in Poland.
10. The U.S. guarantee:
•The U.S. will receive compensation for the guarantee;
•If Ukraine invades Russia, it will lose the guarantee;
•If Russia invades Ukraine, in addition to a decisive coordinated military response, all global sanctions will be reinstated, recognition of the new territory and all other benefits of this deal will be revoked;
•If Ukraine launches a missile at Moscow or St. Petersburg without cause, the security guarantee will be deemed invalid.
11. Ukraine is eligible for EU membership and will receive short-term preferential access to the European market while this issue is being considered.
12. A powerful global package of measures to rebuild Ukraine, including but not limited to:
•The creation of a Ukraine Development Fund to invest in fast-growing industries, including technology, data centers, and artificial intelligence.
•The United States will cooperate with Ukraine to jointly rebuild, develop, modernize, and operate Ukraine’s gas infrastructure, including pipelines and storage facilities.
•Joint efforts to rehabilitate war-affected areas for the restoration, reconstruction and modernization of cities and residential areas.
•Infrastructure development.
•Extraction of minerals and natural resources.
•The World Bank will develop a special financing package to accelerate these efforts.
13. Russia will be reintegrated into the global economy:
•The lifting of sanctions will be discussed and agreed upon in stages and on a case-by-case basis.
•The United States will enter into a long-term economic cooperation agreement for mutual development in the areas of energy, natural resources, infrastructure, artificial intelligence, data centers, rare earth metal extraction projects in the Arctic, and other mutually beneficial corporate opportunities.
•Russia will be invited to rejoin the G8.
14. Frozen funds will be used as follows:
•$100 billion in frozen Russian assets will be invested in US-led efforts to rebuild and invest in Ukraine;
•The US will receive 50% of the profits from this venture. Europe will add $100 billion to increase the amount of investment available for Ukraine’s reconstruction. Frozen European funds will be unfrozen. The remainder of the frozen Russian funds will be invested in a separate US-Russian investment vehicle that will implement joint projects in specific areas. This fund will be aimed at strengthening relations and increasing common interests to create a strong incentive not to return to conflict.
15. A joint American-Russian working group on security issues will be established to promote and ensure compliance with all provisions of this agreement.
16. Russia will enshrine in law its policy of non-aggression towards Europe and Ukraine.
18. Ukraine agrees to be a non-nuclear state in accordance with the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons.
19. The Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant will be launched under the supervision of the IAEA, and the electricity produced will be distributed equally between Russia and Ukraine — 50:50.
20. Both countries undertake to implement educational programs in schools and society aimed at promoting understanding and tolerance of different cultures and eliminating racism and prejudice:
•Ukraine will adopt EU rules on religious tolerance and the protection of linguistic minorities.
•Both countries will agree to abolish all discriminatory measures and guarantee the rights of Ukrainian and Russian media and education. (Note: Similar ideas were incorporated into Trump’s 2020 Israel-Palestine peace plan).
•All Nazi ideology and activities must be rejected and prohibited.
21. Territories:
•Crimea, Luhansk and Donetsk will be recognized as de facto Russian, including by the United States.
•Kherson and Zaporizhzhia will be frozen along the line of contact, which will mean de facto recognition along the line of contact.
•Russia will relinquish other agreed territories it controls outside the five regions.
•Ukrainian forces will withdraw from the part of Donetsk Oblast that they currently control, and this withdrawal zone will be considered a neutral demilitarized buffer zone, internationally recognized as territory belonging to the Russian Federation. Russian forces will not enter this demilitarized zone
22. After agreeing on future territorial arrangements, both the Russian Federation and Ukraine undertake not to change these arrangements by force. Any security guarantees will not apply in the event of a breach of this commitment.
23. Russia will not prevent Ukraine from using the Dnieper River for commercial activities, and agreements will be reached on the free transport of grain across the Black Sea.
24. A humanitarian committee will be established to resolve outstanding issues:
•All remaining prisoners and bodies will be exchanged on an ‘all for all’ basis.
•All civilian detainees and hostages will be returned, including children.
•A family reunification program will be implemented.
•Measures will be taken to alleviate the suffering of the victims of the conflict.
25. Ukraine will hold elections in 100 days.
26. All parties involved in this conflict will receive full amnesty for their actions during the war and agree not to make any claims or consider any complaints in the future.
27. This agreement will be legally binding. Its implementation will be monitored and guaranteed by the Peace Council, headed by President Donald J. Trump. Sanctions will be imposed for violations
28. Once all parties agree to this memorandum, the ceasefire will take effect immediately after both sides retreat to agreed points to begin implementation of the agreement.
VIA POLITICO – ““Now the pressure on Ukraine is one of the most difficult. Now Ukraine may find itself facing a very difficult choice. Either loss of dignity, or the risk of losing a key partner,” Zelenskyy said, in reference to the U.S., where Trump has long been skeptical of fully backing Kyiv’s war effort.
“They will expect an answer from us,” Zelenskyy said about the peace proposal. “Although in fact I have already given it,” he added, citing the oath he took when he entered office in 2019 to defend Ukraine’s sovereignty.” (LINK)
What’s the over/under that the wee little corrupt goon accepts?
He isn’t going to be given a choice, and neither are the three stooges at the kindergarten table. The behind the scenes leverage will be exercised.
Read the fine print about who gets what out of Ukraine’s resources, and how it will be used.
The US wins
Russia wins
POTUS is going to leverage the resources out of this deal to build real things and do real joint investment projects with Russia. The deal incorporates that structure.
Don’t forget, the Donbass has about 80 percent of the natural resources of the Ukraine with any value. The rump Ukraine will not be able to be an economic powerhouse, but rather
will be an economically needy state that will be required to stay in line.
We are going to have the most amazing US-Russia alliance, and a good part of that will be constructed out of the ashes of the Ukraine conflict.
Hmmm. Just like Kim Clement prophesied in 2014. . . .
I think Putin and POTUS probably worked out the final details during the ride in the Beast, during the Alaska summit.
In the meantime, the DS has been navigating the threat to its interests in Venezuela and worrying about sudden incoming truth bombs from the Epstein files. Perfect timing on that Larry Samuelson / Summers takedown. That took eyes off some of the balls, eh?
President Trump is doing the most remarkable job of reshaping relationships between and among countries to build peaceful partnerships. It’s no longer a world where the strong take what they want and bad mouth the victim. What counts now is the ability to see possibilities and the skills to build interchanges that work for both sides.
If I were advising a young person of what to study, I’d say learn how to see and structure deals.
In the near future we will see such amazing shifts in perception and how most people in the world live.
In terms of this proposal, credit goes to President Putin and Russia as well judging from all the Russian business people who went with Putin to Alaska. Russia wants the same things we want.
“It’s no longer a world where the strong take what they want and bad mouth the victim.”
i agree that trump is a very consequential and historical leader that is reshaping the world order. that said, i see it more like the classic “realpolitik”::::
lest the usual intellectually lazy suspects think i am “pro russia” – they were the aggressor, objectively, and probably had some other steps they could’ve tried before it got to this point. but ultimately we are where we are NOW; they are stronger and they are taking what they want because the west was not an honest party to the conflict and we were weaker. in realpolitik fashion, trump is coming to the realization that his personality alone, and some phantom “leverage” cannot magically close this one out.
i applaud him if he sees this and follows through on it. russia is not a particularly moral actor, but we don’t belong there, regardless. the way to stop mass murder and the risk of WW3 is to exit and give the victor most of what they want.
in venezuela, we are objectively the stronger party who is preparing to take what we want, for little other reason than the neocon’s well-documented vision (represented by rubio) for doing so. i wish that was not how we were behaving, and i am very confident it will not result in good things long term – but it too is realpolitik: we are the dominant force in this hemisphere, so we are going to demand what we want. i get that people want to believe this is some noble “drug” thing, but realpolitik is a lot better description, and history is very consistent in this. it is WMD v2.
Others in the alternative media have suggested, with some good evidence, that all is not as it seems in Colombia and Venezuela, and that despite being loud anti-heros, the actions of Maduro and Petro are not only not pro-cartel, they are hurting the cartels.
As if deals were done, but the costumes stayed on.
YMMV. It is an interesting take.
Some of my recent reading portrayed Maduro unwillingly captured by the cartels. I was surprised, but, it is a distinct possibility. Obviously, the President of Mexico is a willing captive.
You are wrong my friend on both accounts. Our globalist Uniparty Deep State overthrew the Democratically voted on government. ( Who’s fault is it that 55-60 percent of the population had some Russian heritage.) Then to fulfill their City of London banking cartel, one world government system, thought they b had Trump deposed, the last major international leader that believed in a sovereign state, not enslaved to unelected bureaucrats. That is why this dirty little war was started by the West. I am a 64 year old America, and see the corrupt politicians of this country till Trump. As for Venezuela, though part is about the narco state they are, it has to do with exposing their creation of voting machines technology through SMARTMATIC with many ways to rig elections. And their efforts included Cuba, China, sn operating Station in Serbia, and of course our CIA.. Recently, a top official from CIA was relieved after not being able to talk Trump into handing of Maduro’s reins to another of his corrupt comrades, this individual h ad hatched a plan to h ave a Bay of Pigs type disaster befall our troops. So many treasonous individuals in the bureaucracy including DOJ, FBI, State Dept., DHS, DOD and especially Congress and the courts. Praying for the Lord’s deliverance.
I had forgotten their role with Smartmatic, no wonder they are on Trump’s radar and rightly so. Every effort to ensure integrity of the votes across our southern hemisphere.
The history of Ukraine is fascinating. They are Nazis and I’m happy to see them pushed back, although Russia invaded to save Russians. I just hope Ukraine doesn’t have the resources to continue their drug programs after the dust settles and hope they will be reduced to an “economically needy state.” Although if the Ukrainian people were to overthrow the corruption, I would hope President Trump would find ways to support their ability to thrive.
Venezuela is entirely different. We are at war with them. They attacked us while stupid prior US administrations let it happen. Many people looked at the US and said, “Wow, there is a lot of money to be sucked out of there.” Others said the same but also said, “What a great way to defeat the US without using open warfare.”
All this going on for years has made a lot of people rich, including people in the US, Europe/Canada, and China. President Trump is fighting back and I hope he doesn’t stop until their business is destroyed.
He’s not just handling the corrupt Venezuela, but looking at the whole region and all the partners and backers. Over the years this grew into a lucrative business for all the combatants and their backers and President Trump is after them all.
and the US has been a “moral” actor??? Please! Spare me!
Can you point me to the part where i said that?
Please do not take offense but I am intrigued in that you do not use capital letters at the beginning of your sentences Muley Bulley, you write some interesting stuff but make it extremely slow reading for those of us who were taught English Grammar.
Geee … and to think the Russians were willing to negotiate with the 2021 borders and Minsk Accords as the start the point back in October-November 2021 … NO millions of ruined and lost lives, NO billions of US Tax dollars to US Politicians and Z-man, NO Z-Man dictatorship and NO LOST “Ukrainian Territory” … but noo … The EU and the US Governments throughout 2021 said NO to any NEGOTIATIONS.
Z-man and ALL the Politicians wanted their 10% BIG GUY Money and the EU as well as President Auto-pen’s Government and US Uni-party needed a Russian Boogie Man so they could complete their fascist take over and control .. as well as … needed a Ukrainian Puppet Dictator to “control” the situation.
We started it…
Now it’s up to us to finish it.
It may not be in the way MIC/NATO warmongers planned for it to end.
But by God’s grace through President Trump, it will end before blood thirsty fools drag us all down into an apocalypse.
I don’t see any clause in the agreement about Hunter Biden
Will Hunter continue to receive payment for his no-show job?
Inquiring minds and all that …
All the negotiating for peace around the world of late brings to recollection 1 Thessalonians 5:3.
“For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.”
I can point you to verses that state it is God who sets up authorities and leaders of nations, and how He guides them for HIs purposes.
Lots to think about.
yeah, been thinking about this a lot.
i do not think we should EVER DISCOURAGE efforts toward peace… but i also get this looming sense that very little of these agreements are the end of the story or even a medium term solution. this is the interregnum and WW3 has only run its course of act 1, if even that much. too many scores must be settled, and so much western civilization has been burned down that i am not sure we can rebuild anything on the rickety cracked foundations that remain.
there has been virtually no real reconciliation and true enactment of a final justice, whether it is pak/india, russia/euros, or any others. it is still BUILDING, not SUBSIDING.
I was reading it this week.
Romans 13: 1-8
“Every person is to be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those which exist are established by God.
Therefore whoever resists authority has opposed the ordinance of God; and they who have opposed will receive condemnation upon themselves.
For rulers are not a cause of fear for good behavior, but for evil. Do you want to have no fear of authority? Do what is good and you will have praise from the same; for it is a minister of God to you for good.
But if you do what is evil, be afraid; for it does not bear the sword for nothing; for it is a minister of God, an avenger who brings wrath on the one who practices evil.
Therefore it is necessary to be in subjection, not only because of wrath, but also for conscience’ sake.
For because of this you also pay taxes, for rulers are servants of God, devoting themselves to this very thing.
Render to all what is due them: tax to whom tax is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honor to whom honor.
Owe nothing to anyone except to love one another; for he who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the law.”
Val1, that you shared exactly this does my heart good.
As long as President Trump doesn’t flip flop once the United Kaliphate, European/Nato weak sisters, and Ukraine give him the middle finger, I’ll cheer.
Better late than not at all.
I just finished watching Alexander Mercouris before
checking to see what was happening at CTH.
It is all one big cluster mess.
Russia….Peskov even saying…WUT?
🤷♀️😳🤷♀️
General consensus among most…this may perhaps
be a point for/in negotiations…but other than that…
appears even the document itself is…kind of wobbly 🤪
It is Really bad right now on the frontlines for Ukraine.
Really bad.
The Duran
Dumpster Fire. 28-point Ukraine peace plan
Alexander Mercouris
Russia Unstoppable Set To Reject US Plan; Kupyansk Falls; Putin Sticks To Terms; Kiev Regime Change
Me—is this a possible off-ramp for President Trump?
I 🙏 pray it is.
It is horrible watching the unnecessary carnage taking place.
Whoever is pushing for this insanity to continue- 👺
must Really Hate the Ukrainian people.
🙏🙏Pray for Peace 🕊️🕊️
Yep, I think it is his off ramp to get the USA out of this Globalist mess.
If Europe wants another war, I think President Trump will sit this one out.
Can he sit it out? In the unlikely event that members of Congress actually read the U.S. Constitution and stupidly decide to use their exclusive power to declare war, is the President obligated to fight it?
Good question.
Alex Christoforu had great podcast too….
I thought the statement by President Putin
was pretty…👍👏👏
” Putin, addressing commanding officers of the
grouping West states;
“This is not a political leadership of Ukraine.
It’s a criminal gang that holds power for personal enrichment…
It’s clear to everyone that these people, sitting on their golden potties,
are hardly thinking about the fate of common people in Ukraine
or the fate of ordinary soldiers.”
Well said! 👏👍👏
Alex Christoforu….Rumble
Russia controls Kupyansk. Freeze frontline, Donbass becomes DMZ. Trump to be Ukraine Peace Chairman
from a timing perspective, he may be able to.. but as a former republic with virtually no say in what happens in our government anymore, i doubt the next one selected pub or dem, will be able to resist. and unless there is mass starvation in the streets, we will continue to consent.
if the devil and the deep state wants a war, the former republic of the USA must get involved eventually.
Well, I wonder if Ukraine can hold on until a new US President is elected, especially if the USA cuts off all military aid.
My question is whether Russia can finish it by the end of Trump’s term. I think they can. Ukraine is already gone, a rump of its original stature.
To win a war against Russia in Ukraine requires reinstatement of the draft. I think the fools in congress knows how the populace would react. The boomers who were drafted and survived Vietnam are still alive. Their children are taking over the reigns as they retire. A group who missed the draft by a hair are also still alive. This issue will unite the boomers.
Haven’t visited the Duran in ages, gypsy…thank you for the link. I left another below wherein it seems President Putin is not saying no but giving signs this proposal is worth reviewing as a starting point. At the same time, he is issuing his own warnings which, given NATO’s previous pinky swear and signal “promises” to Russia and its betrayals of them after, one cannot blame him for doing.
Landmines everywhere.
agreed betsy – even if putin regards trump as an honest broker who genuinely wants peace… trump has done little to bring the deep state to heel… and he has, at best, another year before the american political anarchy returns.
given that, what reason would he have to believe that anything he agrees to now will be honored then?
Honestly, Muley, I have come to believe no one can bring the DS to heel, so entrenched are they. And I’m sure President Putin knows it, too.
I’d like to be more hopeful than I am, but I have to be a realist about this.
As for the midterms, I have just read that Marjorie Taylor Green has announced she will resign from her seat on January 1, adding to the now 28 RINOs who have announced they will not run again (per ABC news).
Sound familiar? 2018 midterms?
I suspect we are about to see an attempt at a repeat, and so I think you are correct. At least at this point it would be prudent to assume President Trump has one more year to accomplish what he can before odious Dems attempt to impeach him for a third time if worse comes to worst. Hope it doesn’t happen, but we cannot dismiss the possibility.
(For the moment on that I’ll assume my Scarlett personae…I can’t think about that now. Plenty of time for that discussion later…Tomorrow, or whenever.)
President Putin may be many things, but he is not an imbecile. Nor is he trusting, with cause.
Nor should he be.
He sees and understands the potential political portents as we do.
It all complicates things greatly.
I did not realize that many were not running. That is a huge number even if they are RINOs. I would be thrilled if that opens the field to many MAGAs.
To be fair there was never an agreement on no expansion eastward. I’m against nato expansion but Russia lies a lot
The only reason the Soviets agreed to withdraw their military and disband the Warsaw Pact was the assurance NATO would not expand by 1″ eastward.
And there was never any reason to keep NATO at that point. It is an utterly useless liability and we need out, along with all our military.
The Duran has fully lost the plot anything that isn’t 110% a capitulation to Russia is immediately rejected
This plan handles every one of Russias root causes
The plan does not handle the frozen Russian assets. It attempts to seize them for investment. It also does not handle the remaining Donbass areas not in Russian control. It attempts to create the area as a DMZ which Russia will have to rent. The plan is for media consumption and not realistic at this stage. Russia is willing to talk but their conditions won’t change.
Russia may be willing to concede the frozen assets in the interest of a near term resolution to the conflict. The areas that Russia would not consider negotiating on remain Russian. A point Zelensky refuses to agree to thus far. But he lost. Russia may not want the areas east of the river outside of their original acquisitions. They may not want to make the investment to rebuild them. But they do want the areas where most of the Russian speakers lived.
Yes, it’s a very reasonable starting point addressing most of Russia’s and some of Zelensky’s issues. Of course, it acknowledges that Ukraine has lost, which Zelensky seems incapable of recognizing. It is pretty fair to both sides and has some built in “enforcement” to push both sides to the table.
Don’t think PDT will do anything at point if the globalists of the EU and elsewhere force the cokehead puppet of Ukraine to reject the peace agreement. PDT will likely use this opportunity to totally withdraw all US support for the ongoing Ukraine farce. Another thing that could happen is PDT enters into a direct trade agreement with Russia and leaves NATO & the EU scum holding the bag on the whole farce
one can only hope …
Amen Amen 🙏🏽
Which in my opinion would be the ideal outcome, dear sir.
Withdrawing all support would land the entirety of this proxy war in the laps of European leaders who have problems…big ones…with their own countries. It would be fascinating to see how they’d handle that turn of events.
It seems that in the long run with trade agreements, both Presidents are on the same page. Just a feeling after the Alaska meeting earlier this year.
Agree, think both PDT & Putin see right through the globalist bs and see longterm economic benefits to both the US & Russia with direct trade agreements.
In an ideal world.
Wish it were so.
Yes, I know…”If wishes were horses etc etc”…(Scottish proverb).
it must be total. i would love to see this but frankly i have lost a lot of confidence that he can stay with his gut and resist the usual voices in his admin. we’ve seen it a lot of times before. the “selling to NATO” canard, the intelligence still being provided in detail…
END ALL SUPPORT. like we could have done on day one, as promised.
We live in an evil world, dear Muley, and he is only one man with the same human frailties and foibles we all have. Right now he’s carrying the hopes of saner people on his shoulders, here and elsewhere. It must be an onerous and physically draining burden.
All we can do is pray to the good Lord above that he be given wisdom and discernment, no matter how assailed he is by the voices of those with their own agendas.
And gee whiz, I was told that card up his sleeve was a King. Nothing those Democrats say is truthful.
Naw, just his “Trump” card!
😁
Ukraine’s representative at the United Nations has rejected the Trump peace plan.
Here is the summary:
1) We’ll make no concessions and nothing is up for negotiation
2) We need your money
3) The only way this ends is if you give us money and we win
https://x.com/i/status/1991654872215875808
Very predictable. Grifters are gonna grift.
bye.
President Putin has the proposal and has issued his initial response.
Promising.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/regime-change-kyiv-us-peace-plan-demands-ukraine-hold-rapid-elections-after-signing
In a nutshell. In other words, it never ends.
expected.
so once again, the ball is in trump’s court to cut them off… JUST DO IT ALREADY.
UN reps say crazy stuff all the time they’re all like theater kids it’s pretty irrelevant
Ukraine will never accept this proposal because the EU, NATO and America’s UniParty/Deep State won’t allow it. Period.
What will President Trump do when Ukraine gives him the inevitable response? Will he withdraw all support? Maybe, maybe not.
The blowback from the usual suspects named above will be fierce if he chooses to withdraw support.
May God continue to bless and protect President Trump.
What happens if the russians find zelensky and either shoot him or just haul him off to gulag, never to be seen again?
The (Russians) could have turned him into Ukrainian meatloaf a long time ago if they wanted. Putin has been fairly nice given what the EU has been trying to do to his country. Putin is no angel, but one devil is no better than another devil.
Trump has plenty of problems here at home and the list grows each day.
what happens if the ukrainians haul him off?
I will cheer that as well!
Tough to do since he makes it a point not to spend too much time in his own country.
I will cheer!
The short answer is that the world would be a better place
Won’t happen. The green goblin is too useful towards accomplishing Russia’s goals, primarily throwing Ukrainian meat against Russian immovable objects. 1.6 million have become toast so far. Many many Nazis are no longer with us.
It’s called a reality sandwich, beautifully prepared by Mr. Rubio and Mr. Witkoff.
Now those proferred this delicacy have only to decide whether they prefer mustard or mayo and with or without pickle on the side……
They will toss the beautifully-prepared sandwich to the pigs and then take turns relieving themselves in the punch bowl.
US Intelligence will never be pulled, even if Trump orders that to happen. The IC operates as a separate entity and unless Blonde and others are willing to start prosecuting people for disobeying the President, it’s all just click-bait. I suspect the same is true of money and weapons, but Trump may be able to slow their flow.
Just like with FISA….. lotsa big talk, but in the end, it’ll be fully renewed.
thats what i worry about. but IMO trump could issue some very dour, stark, public pronouncements that force the issue. such as:
and so on.
Highly unlikely it would go down that way. Too obvious for one thing. A silent drying up of funds is more probable.
Trump slowed the flow of weapons to Ukraine before. He said no to Tomahawks. There are logistical reasons why those can not be used in a proxy war. The EU is not going to be able to pay for the weapons for more than a few more months – their currency is failing faster than ours.
SD, off-topic but I HOPE you weigh in on Mamdani’s visit to the WH…I don’t see the “keep your enemies close” angle…perhaps he’s offering federal funds in exchange for “good behavior”…? Sounds like a deal with the devil
ALL I see is a slick-talking, unqualified — very dangerous communist – being unnecessarily legitimized as he puts the final nail in Gotham’s coffin…
Or he could be reminding him of who the BOSS is!
Another islamic has gotten into the tent. This one’s term extends beyond PDT’s.
I think that we should just patiently wait to see how much rope his City Council and his State Government actually give him. Sure, it’s easy to make radical campaign promises. But, it’s a damned sight harder to be: “Mayor of New York City.” I know that this man is much too proud (and, young …) to think of asking advice from anyone who’s done the job before. And I think that he’s about to embark on a collision course with reality. If he hopes to be anything but a very-quickly-forgotten Mayor, he has a lot to learn very quickly. I don’t think it’s going to be pretty.
I believe that you are correct. He has already been told, that many of his free stuff ideas, aint happening. Even Hochul the Wicked Witch, isnt playing nice with that Commie clown…..
Potential executive summary:
“They will expect an answer from us,” Zelenskyy said about the peace proposal. “Although in fact I have already given it,” he added, citing the oath he took when he entered office in 2019 to defend Ukraine’s sovereignty.”
tl/dr: “No.”
The multiple peace initiatives initiated by PDJT and quickly undermined by the VZ and Euro coalition have been exercises in futility and models of disingenuous behavior by all but one world leader.
Seems Zelensky has already rejected it in the quote from Politico. So now remains to be seen if Trump will follow through on cutting them off.
If the Ukraine rejects President Trump’s peace deal then stop all military aid and financial support!!! Then withdraw from NATO and let the EU fund the war going forward without the sale of our military arms to the EU and without access to our military/IC/satellite intel!!! Just end all of our involvement!!! Let the eager/warmongering Brits take the war to Russia!!! JMO
Agree, except unfortunately, we can’t withdraw from NATO without congressional approval.
If the cokehead midget was smart he would take the deal.
If the cokehead were SMART, he wouldn’t be a cokehead!
If the coke head was smart, he would have signed the peace deal at the beginning of the war.
The gay cokehead was selected because he’s not that smart, but he’s loyal to his owners.
His wallet already fled for no extradition possible Israel.
Its a decent bet he follows the wallet.
It’s not his IQ that is profoundly lacking, it is wisdom.
Unfortunately, I can see that, very soon, peace will come to or be imposed upon Ukraine, but “Z” will not live to see it. He isn’t the legitimate President of his nation any more, and he is not doing anything that is in the interests of those people. I’m frankly very surprised that they did not give him “the Mussolini Treatment” 💀 long before now. But, History either repeats itself verbatim, or it damned sure rhymes. This man’s page is about to be turned. I see no other option.
He needs an exit strategy, and maybe witness protection and plastic surgery.
The deal specifies hold an election in 100 days. That means he and his gang are out.
Unless Israel agrees to take him, and protects him, he’s got nowhere to go that might even remotely be free of repercussions of the deadly variety.
He is between a rock and a hard place, with a rapidly deprecating life expectancy.
He will be forced into exile or killed by his own.
I have judged the terms acceptable. 😉
Maybe just maybe this is the US leaving Ukraine. Obama/Biden believed their own polling and said Russia would fall. Can you imagine the hubris to risk WWWIII on the hunch that Russia would crack. Start a war with a nuclear power. They wanted to overthrow Russia and Obama/Biden/Antifa have set their sights on us.
“All Nazi ideology and activities must be rejected and prohibited”
(in my best Gerald Butler voice) ..”Now that’s going to be a bit of a problem.”
He has no dignity, so what’s his issue ..? It’s a good deal for all in my opinion.. Now if the Dems and Ms Linsey Graham don’t interfere it should work well.. But what do I know, I’m just a taxpayer money tree..
Territory:
Russia keeps Donetsk and neighboring Luhansk regions, even though Ukraine still holds part of it.
Kherson & Zaporizhzhia frozen along front line
Ukraine withdraws from Donetsk leaving it as a Demilitarized Zone
Ukraine/EU/NATO and Congress will not agree to the ceasefire and peace proposal, but IMHO PDJT will not cut off all support. He should have cutoff all support long ago and the fact that he did not indicates he will not do so now.
Original goals of the SMO: the demilitarization and denazification of Ukraine
28-point peace plan, line 20c: c. All Nazi ideology and activities must be rejected and banned
If Zelensky does not take this deal then to heck with him! Such a little tyrant. I predict he won’t accept, all his friends get busted for corruption and then he also gets taken down. The world finds out exactly what this was really all about and Putin will be proved correct.
So fed up with this little goblin.
Martin Armstrong was the key that opened this up. Hurray for Martin!!
Well done! 👊👊❤️❤️🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🇺🇸🇺🇸
I think the meeting between the US and Zelensky looked like the Godfather when Michael Corleone met Moe Greene in Las Vegas. Just substitute Trump’s representative for Michael Corleone, Zelensky for Moe Greene, and the EU for Fredo. So accurate when Moe Greene/Zelensky protests “You think I’m skimming?!, and the “casino” is the proxy war.
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It’s a very thorough and reasonable solution for both sides. Good job Marco Rubio and Steve Witkoff! Dictator Z will say no because he’s controlled. Hopefully Trump will withdraw all support to Ukraine.
So is this “week” really a week, or is it more like the “within” two weeks given to Iran?
This is interesting from Promethean Action latest Q&A video.
Starting at 126 is a discussion about the peace plan and at 128 Barbara Boyd talks about Z’s internal problems (internal in Ukraine, although Z certainly has internal problems). So there is pressure on Z the media is not reporting. — for example some officials in his government are jumping ship.
https://www.prometheanaction.com/live-q-a-trump-unleashes-on-deep-state-exposing-arctic-frost-bbc-scandals-2/
The whole Q&A has interesting content.
People can agree or disagree with POTUS Plan that is fine
but at least he has one (he has has several) and they are specific.
What it the EU plan to end the war besides calling each other on the
phone and having meetings.. and what is Z plan to end the war beside
saying no to everything and screaming MONEY MONEY. They never
offer a actual plan to end the war…
They just say how dare you to POTUS and keep saying they are
standing with Ukraine but what are THEY doing to end the war?
The US will withdraw all support?
We’ll see.
There’s going to have to be some teeth to that because we all know certain departments and agencies are not going to stop of their own free will.
Between the CIA’s decade of ‘help’ (read: provocation), Biden graft stigma and Zelensky being ill suited for the world stage, this war was lost before it started.
Yeah. We can only wish.
Some activist leftist nutjob, in Robes, will rule that PDJT cannot withdraw monetary support, or hold back equipment……
In 3…2…1…
If he even trys that. Any bets?
In case anyone missed this excellent write up of the Ukrainian Polycrisis.
https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/slava-polycrisis-thursday-november
Alex, thanks. Maybe this is the real thing.
Quote FTA:
“ ‘Secretary Driscoll and team arrived this morning in Kyiv on behalf of the administration on a fact-finding mission to meet with Ukrainian officials and discuss efforts to end the war,’ Colonel Dave Butler said in a dry statement on Wednesday.
“Warbloggers noted that, while not unprecedented, it was highly unusual for military officials rather than State Department diplomats to discuss political issues like ending a war. And it definitely signaled a complex, ongoing US military operation, rather than just Trump shooting over a random plan he coughed up in the middle of the night.
“In other words, this is a formal, coordinated government initiative involving joint diplomatic-military planning and high-level engagement, not a freelance presidential diktat. An initiative that never leaked.
“🚀 ‘We don’t really care about the Europeans. It’s about Ukraine accepting.’ No one was kept further out of the loop than the hapless Europeans. Scalded European leaders felt blindsided, frustrated, and are lamely pushing back. …”
Z is done…he will take off one night and resurface in London…or swiss…his puppet masters won’t let him do a peace deal
..if he stays his own people will “Saddam Hussein” him.
“Ukraine will likely never agree to the proposal, because too many European and American interests are grounded in maintaining conflict between Russia and Ukraine. However, the shift this time is that if Ukraine/EU/NATO and Congress do not agree to the ceasefire and peace proposal, President Trump has indicated he will withdraw all support.”
In which case, Putin’s intragedence will have payed off as the men, women and children of Ukraine will be at his tender mercies. .
Like they weren’t at the tender mercies of the likes of Ihor Kolomoisky, the Azov Brigade, and Hunter and Joe Biden.
Not to mention Nathan Wolff and the big PHRMA companies using them for human experimentation, and Angelina Jolie and others trafficking them out for sex abuse.
Rolls eyes.
This is Trump’s war now.
Peace talks are OK, but root causes must be addressed. There will be no ceasefire. Freezing the conflict is not an option.
From 3:30 in attached video
But look at the proposal every single root cause is addressed. If either side rejects this they deserve whatever economic or structural damage they receive
After 20 rounds of sanctions, maybe the USA/NATO can drop the tough guy act.NATO/USA have lost the war they started
Here is the offer Zelenskyy can’t refuse…but of course this isn’t pointed out in this speech:
26. All parties involved in this conflict will receive full amnesty for their actions during the war and agree not to make any claims or consider any complaints in the future.
This is a choice Zelenskyy has been offered, which will he choose?
Either loss of dignity or the risk of losing a key partner.
Either a difficult 28 points or an extremely difficult winter.
Full Zelensky’s statement for Ukraine’s Dignity and Freedom Day
Ukraine may have got more dignity and definitely more freedom without such “leader”
Martin Armstrong was specifically asked to write up a peace plan that was sanctioned by President Trump.
Martin shared the 200 page document with everyone, here you go. Pulling out of NATO was Martin’s plan. He won’t get credit of course and certainly doesn’t request it but sometimes it’s nice to know who was behind this process.
https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/products_services/products/sorry-link-is-noe-fixed-for-free-download/
My browser’s blurb on Armstrong and Ukraine. Long, but an easy read.
There are two questions to ask about the provenance of an anonymous, AI piece like this. (1) Does it quote and report correctly re Armstrong? (2) If it does, are his claims credible / correct? Your guess is as good as mine. But I’d give it the benefit of the doubt over the DS, the Euro-elite, and Zelensky.
(I added the bold emphasis)
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Martin Armstrong, a financial and geopolitical cycle analyst, has released a nearly 200-page peace proposal titled “Peace Proposal to Prevent World War III,” which was presented to top Trump administration officials in November 2025.
The plan was developed after Armstrong was called in by the Trump White House to devise a peace strategy acceptable to both Ukraine and Russia.
He believes that peace talks backed by Trump are still a possibility, especially after recent signals from Russia indicating interest in negotiations.
Armstrong has consistently argued that the conflict in Ukraine is not merely a bilateral war but a proxy war between Russia and NATO.
He predicted that hostilities would escalate after May 15, 2025, a forecast that aligned with the collapse of peace talks on that date.
According to Armstrong, European nations are actively preparing for broader conflict by reinstating military drafts, with Germany recalling individuals up to age 60 and Poland mandating military training for all able-bodied men.
He asserts that Europe’s motivation for war stems from deep economic crises, including sovereign debt, collapsing pensions, and shrinking economies, particularly in Germany, which accounts for 25% of the EU economy.
Armstrong claims that European leaders believe seizing Russia’s estimated $75 trillion in natural resources could resolve these financial issues, which is why they allegedly desire war despite the risks.
Armstrong’s predictive model, Socrates, has indicated a 100% probability of nuclear war post-2025, potentially tactical in nature, with Ukraine remaining the epicenter of a NATO-orchestrated proxy conflict.
He warns that Ukraine will not survive as a country and predicts the European Union may not exist beyond 2030.
Regarding Ukraine’s leadership, Armstrong accuses the government of dishonesty, claiming it blew up the Kakhovka Dam and misuses Western aid, while also fostering ethnic hatred through state education.
He argues that Ukraine’s statehood is historically tenuous, describing it as a former imperial borderland rather than a long-standing independent nation.
Armstrong strongly advises the United States to withdraw from NATO, calling it a “neocon retirement home” whose institutional survival depends on perpetual war.
He has urged Washington officials to either enforce the Minsk Agreement or exit the alliance entirely.
Some U.S. officials have reportedly agreed with his assessment.
Recent developments, such as Trump granting Hungary an exemption to purchase Russian oil, are seen by Armstrong as positive steps toward diplomacy.
However, he remains skeptical of NATO’s intentions, citing reports of plans to deploy 250,000 troops to Ukraine, which he believes could provoke direct Russian retaliation.
fake war, lol
and then they said 7,500 dead Russian soldiers per week….hahahaha, do the math.
JMO.
“However, the shift this time is that if Ukraine/EU/NATO and Congress do not agree to the ceasefire and peace proposal, President Trump has indicated he will withdraw all support.”
It is about time.
MAGA / America First isn’t just our motto, it is our duty!
So forever war until everything is destroyed or give up large parts of an already conquered country. Not much of a choice, but really what are the options? I really don’t see NATO rolling in troops and making this worse. What would be the point?
I do believe we have ‘someone'(the willing) still eyeballing the Russian frozen assets as the way to fix their economy…
President @realDonaldTrump’s peace initiative has gained new momentum. A 28-point peace plan is on the table, an American negotiating delegation is in Kyiv, and expectations are high worldwide. The American President is a persistent maverick. If he had been President at the time, the war would never have broken out. It is clear that once he sets his mind on something, he does not let it go, and he has certainly set his mind on ending the Russian-Ukrainian war.
Meanwhile, in Brussels, they have lost the plot once again. While Washington is negotiating peace, the President of the Commission is busy figuring out how to secure even more money for Ukraine and for financing the war.
We Hungarians will have a word or two to say about this. The moment of truth is upon us. More precisely, it is upon the Brusselian leadership.
NO MORE MONEY
NO MORE ARMS
The U.S. has warned it could suspend intelligence sharing and weapons shipments to push Ukraine into accepting a U.S.-backed peace framework, according to sources, who say Kyiv is facing unprecedented pressure to sign by next Thursday. “They want to stop the war and want Ukraine to pay the price,” one source said.(Reuters)
https://nitter.poast.org/Osint613/status/1991860801309675725#m
Is the Gravy Train FINALLY for Zelenskyy & Friends ?!?!
Maybe he pretends to be a casualty of a Russian missile and disappears under disguise?
Keep an eye out for a gnome in green attire swindling money.
Perhaps a jeweler in NYC diamond district.
While I saw this as dead out of the gate, I saw a different opinion form an unexpected source. Dima from The Military Summary Channel presented the points of the agreement as conditions to be met during a 100 day ceasefire to allow parliamentary and presidential elections to be held. With the recent corruption allegations, the Ukrainian parliament is suspect at best, and the president is obviously illegitimate. If a ceasefire were in place, with safeguards to prevent Ukrainian arms build up and replenishment during the process specifically to hold elections, a legal agreement to end the war might actually be possible.
The problem is that Zelensky will get whacked if he says yes.
https://askeptic.substack.com/