After meeting with Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelenskyy on the sidelines of the United Nations General Assembly, President Trump sends a message to both Ukraine and Russia:
(Via Truth Social) – “After getting to know and fully understand the Ukraine/Russia Military and Economic situation and, after seeing the Economic trouble it is causing Russia, I think Ukraine, with the support of the European Union, is in a position to fight and WIN all of Ukraine back in its original form. With time, patience, and the financial support of Europe and, in particular, NATO, the original Borders from where this War started, is very much an option. Why not?
Russia has been fighting aimlessly for three and a half years a War that should have taken a Real Military Power less than a week to win. This is not distinguishing Russia. In fact, it is very much making them look like “a paper tiger.” When the people living in Moscow, and all of the Great Cities, Towns, and Districts all throughout Russia, find out what is really going on with this War, the fact that it’s almost impossible for them to get Gasoline through the long lines that are being formed, and all of the other things that are taking place in their War Economy, where most of their money is being spent on fighting Ukraine, which has Great Spirit, and only getting better, Ukraine would be able to take back their Country in its original form and, who knows, maybe even go further than that! Putin and Russia are in BIG Economic trouble, and this is the time for Ukraine to act.
In any event, I wish both Countries well. We will continue to supply weapons to NATO for NATO to do what they want with them. Good luck to all!”
DONALD J. TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
oh boy… when Trump says good luck with that… both Russia and Ukraine are in trouble.
Sounds like, he is washing his hands, but isn’t going to pass up selling arms to NATO. Sigh…
It’s an improvement, but all the way done would be better.
Optimal, not perfect solutions.
He could’ve solved this but for the “intelligent” community and the new warmongers: the left.
He tried, but when given lemons…..
Uhh, me thinks Russia ain’t the one that is in ‘trouble’. I mean, if we’re honest here, tis Zelensky (Corruption is thy name..) who may soon be without the $$$ bling to fund his, and by extention his homies, ‘retirements’ abroad.
just sayin…
The Russians were arguably in trouble in late 2022. Because they were overstretched with too few troops deployed.
Now they outnumber the Ukrainians and the ratios on everything are in their favour.
The parts about thier economy being in trouble, is the same endlessly recycled BS. For three years.
I still see the Russia GDP = Italy = $1.5T canard. If that is true Russia gets a lot out of a buck.
does anyone know if russia is antagonistic to us in other areas of the world.. the brics is a no no. we know that, the oil trade outside of the US dollar is a direct attack
Selling arms to Ukraine? It’s not money he wants so much from Ukraine as minerals, especially rare earth. It was part of his original deal to support Ukraine. Who knows how this war washes out. While eastern Ukraine has about 70% of the mineral wealth, western Ukraine has about the other 30%.
The majority of Ukraine’s rare earth mineral reserves are located in regions currently under Russian occupation, including Donetsk and Luhansk—which make up the Donbas—as well as Zaporizhzhia, Kherson, and Crimea, the Black Sea peninsula annexed by Putin in 2014.
According to Forbes, approximately 70 percent of Ukraine’s estimated $14.8 trillion in critical mineral resources are concentrated in Donetsk, Dnipropetrovsk, and Luhansk. Russia currently controls a significant portion of the Luhansk and Donetsk regions, collectively known as the Donbas.
Disappointing to me. I guess Zelensky and our warmongering IC won President Trump over? I wanted a full walk away no more military aid, no more satellite access, no more funding of the Ukraine government, a complete shutdown of the Ukraine honey pot!!!! Russia will not give up the land taken with a majority of ethic Russians living there!!! But as Sundance advised “Trump will not find perfect solutions. He will find OPTIMAL solutions. We cannot ask for more.” So I will suck it up!!! Godspeed President Trump!! No one said peacemakers were successful all the time!!! JMO
He’s playing the cards he was dealt. Although there’s enough blame to go around, this one’s on Putin more than anyone else.
President Trump gave him an opportunity to declare victory, keep the captured territory, and call a truce. Then kick the can down the road for a decade or more for a final land solution. Putin declined. It’s his move now.
100% correct. Giant misstep by Putin who chose to continue escalating. He could have had most of the Donbas right now, peace, and a golden economic opportunity
IMO it’s almost back to square one. Listening to Zelensky on the talk circuit today, he wants it all back. He’s encouraged by President Trump. I hear no talk of concessions. He wants a total Russian surrender and withdrawal of forces.
Fine to have an opinion on it. I’d like to offer mine, What has Trump routinely done since the 80s? He gets chess pieces to move for him where wants them to be. Zelensky was always going to do what he was doing.
But Putin has been taken completely off guard and he can do 2 things.
Btw this happened because ru has stopped all diplomatic efforts
Putin can come to the negotiating table or he can double down and Trump will destroy their economy
Nah, he gets to finish this convulsively once and for all, whilst gaining more historical Russian territories
Rather than leaving a festering Nazi abomination on Russia’s border. For a successor to deal with and ephemeral & undefined “economic opportunities” instead of actual contracts like the ones signed with China. To send all the gas & oil Europe used to buy to Asia.
To sum up. If what you said was actually Trump’s deal, it’s a laughable attempted swindle.
Also if Trump means what he posted, he’s in mental decline. Just like the sh*t-libs are saying.
There was never an opportunity to keep the captured territory. Zelensky himself stated this many times.
Putin has been clear though since DAY ONE that he wants all the reasons this happened to be solved, his root issues, however he put that. He’s said this over and over again.
He wants permanent and durable resolutions, not bandaids and quick solutions.
So there is that.
I think he’s pretty much said that until he’s gotten that, he’s not stopping.
“President Trump gave him an opportunity to declare victory, keep the captured territory, and call a truce. ”
This is a false assertion.
PDJT floated the idea, and then Zelensky categorically stated that Ukraine will not cede any territory, in fact it is also written into Ukrainian law that politicians cannot negotiate land transfers without a nationwide vote. Article 73 of Ukraine’s constitution, mandates a country wide referendum.
In about 15 minutes the alligator-armed Europeans will get tired of funding NATO weapons because it will make fine wines and months-long holidays virtually impossible. Can’t let that happen.
The statement is obtuse and needs to be clarified. We were paying for way more than arms. We basically were paying Ukraine’s pensions and for much of its economy. That’s got to be at least half the $175 billion annually of taxpayer money we’ve been wasting in Ukraine. Are we no longer paying the non-arms cost of buttressing the Ukraine economy? My suspicion is that we still are. And President Trump is conveniently not mentioning that. Washed our hands of Ukraine? Hardly. FUBAR
its like his account got hacked by Vickie Nuland.
beyond bizarre.
Patience. Have you learned NOTHING about his tactics yet?
One speech at the UN isn’t the end of the story for Pete’s sake.
(or St Petersburg’s sake 😆).
Trump basically saying “Go for it, Ukraine” may change Putin’s intransigence.
My patience for 5,000 military deaths a week and $400 billion of lost U.S. treasure in Ukraine has run out. with all due respect.
Definitely not what I voted for nor what I expected from PDJT.
It’s almost like some people in the White House are deliberately trying to lose the midterm elections coming in only 12 months!
If you have a better answer, DJT has a website.
is it also not
“Go for it, Russia”
may change Putin’s punching in paper tiger bag.
Ukraine has nothing to “go for it” with. They can barely hold the line with the troops they’ve got left.
Their last attempt to go on the offensive, was a disastrous incursion in Kursk.
To top it off the country, is down to 50-5% of the population it had in 1991.
The population ratios went from 3 to 6 to 1, the economic gap is many times worse.
Ukraine is not holding the line. They lose territory every day.
Sunday:
https://www.rt.com/russia/625006-kremlin-putin-trump-relations/
see also:
https://www.rt.com/russia/625066-putin-makes-nuclear-offer-full/
I think President is trying to exert pressure of Putin to enter into meaningful negotiations.
Nothing more.
Goodness!
I’m no military strategist, but Russia wins merely through attrition.
I don’t believe the President is settled on that many more lives lost.
I also don’t believe the President believes himself any of the following, “After getting to know and fully understand the Ukraine/Russia Military and Economic situation and, after seeing the Economic trouble it is causing Russia, I think Ukraine, with the support of the European Union, is in a position to fight and WIN all of Ukraine back in its original form.”
It really depends. The mother’s of dead soldiers brought the USSR down. Putin can imprison and kill political enemies and Russians won’t do much. He can’t do that to dead soldiers mother’s, I don’t think the Russians will stand for that. What are the real numbers of dead Russian soldiers? We don’t know for sure, but if it gets large enough it could bring Putin down. That would end the war. That’s what happened in WW1 when the Tsar fell too.
We do know because 20 year old Massachusetts Air National Guardsmen Teixeira leaked Top Secret Classified documents from the CIA and DIA that revealed Ukrainian Army losses at 8 to 1 versus Russia last year.
Afghanistan was a fringe issue in the fate of late U.S.S.R.
Chechnya saw much worse losses and problems for the RF. Yet neither Yeltsin or Putin were ever endangered by it.
Plus the Russian soldiers are either volunteers or mercenaries, average age 30’s. Fighting a war against avowed & hated enemies.
Not conscripted boys sent to someone else’s civil war in the ass-end of nowhere, for unfathomable reasons.
I doubt any of the loses reported are anywhere real on either side. Reports also conflict, at one time it was said that men were being picked up off the street in Russia and forced into the Army. Who knows? Putin does enjoy huge support in the more rural provinces and villages, but does have opposition in the cities. It is really hard to say.
LOL. “Good luck, boys. You’re on your own,” effectively.
Its Bidens war but what the hell, I am just going to send weapons to the EU so they keep the fighting going. Sorry but I am not buying this BS. Stop the money and weapons flow to Ukraine and the war stops tomorrow. Enough of this 5 D Chess BS.
Incorrect. Stopping the money to Ukraine doesn’t stop the war because Russia needs to be at least somewhat willing to stop it
feel same about this war…he – VSGPDJT- just can not stop Z dream for Greater Isr……….. pretty good excuse…supply arm to F* NATO….
I actually think that Trump’s message has a lot of in-between the lines language that the warring parties will understand:
Here’s how Putin will read Trump’s message: When he says that he will continue to sell NATO the weapons that they want to buy, he is telling Putin that the U.S. will continue to sell the Europeans the drones that Zelensky is using to bomb the Russian oil refineries.
Here’s how the Europeans will read Trump’s message:
He knows that the European NATO countries have been preventing a peace agreement.When he says he will “sell” weapons to the European NATO countries, he is saying that he will not donate any weapons. If they want to keep the war going, they will have to pay for it.When he doesn’t include himself in NATO, he is telling the Europeans that if they go to war with Russia, the U.S. won’t join them. When he is telling Ukraine that he thinks that they can conquer all of their lost territory on the battlefield, he is telling them that he knows that they are losing on the battlefield, and if they continue to refuse to concede territory they will continue to lose.
Best comment, in my opinion.
Howard was among the few to perceive Trump’s splendid sarcasm:
“Ukraine would be able to take back their Country in its original form and, who knows, maybe even go further than that”
There’s no way President Trump believes that. He’s parodying murderous charlatan Z’s delusions of grandeur.
AND yes, he did offer an honest open hand to Putin, the other murderous charlatan, and has been offered petty games in return.
Once again, the genius of Common Sense, ladies and gentleman: President Trump.
Absolutely, dripping with sarcasm. He just told the Europeans this can go on until after the 2028 elections, they can pay for it, and they can send their kids to fight if they want. If they think they can get Putin out of power, and get in a globalist, they are free to try it without the US.
Russia could [theoretically] have won in a week by bombing Kiev and taking out Zelensky long ago. Putin does not want the consequences to himself for that action. But will he in the future?
The message is the perfect follow-up for his speech informing the UN that they are less than useless.
and while NATO’s boys are in Ukraine Muzzies can conquer Europe!
“When he doesn’t include himself in NATO, he is telling the Europeans that if they go to war with Russia, the U.S. won’t join them. ”
Do you (or anybody else here for that matter) honestly believe President Trump has that as an available option? To sit a war between European NATO countries and Russia out? Really?
Yes, really. He has washed his hands of them.
NATO went to war against the Taliban in Afghanistan in Operation Enduring Freedom. NATO’s Article 5 was even invoked. Nevertheless, 5 of the 19 NATO countries didn’t participate. So, “Yes”, the United States can indeed sit out a war between NATO and Russia.
Agree. The question is whether or not Congress will chime in with a declaration of war.
The total NATO budget is $3.6 billion a year. According to the news media we pay about 16% of that at $560 million.
President Trump said that we’ve given Ukraine almost $300 billion in the past three years. How is NATO going to fund Ukraine’s war with a budget that’s barely 1% of what we’ve given them?
None of this adds up!
That is the bare bones just NATO. When you add all the rest of it that US funds in NATO ……Grok says we are at 70%…. A fight in Europe’s back yard and we fund the lion’s share.
That 16% is just our direct payment to NATO for administrative, head quarters and command structure operations.
When you take into account our military bases located throughout Europe, all of our equipment and our military personnel, which we pay for ourselves directly, that accounts for about two-thirds collectively of all NATO country expenditures on military personnel and hardware.
Yes … we are 60-70% of NATO
To think that NATO will be in a direct war with Russia, and the US will sit it out is delusional in the extreme.
Do you really think when vast amounts of missiles and drones start hitting Brussels, London, Paris and Moscow, that it wont escalate insanely fast?
Yep, sure do.
He might even be using this to get the USA out of NATO.
i read it this way-
to Russia:
get thee to the negotiating table posthaste and for real
or the U.S. may support a Uke in it’s original borders.
to Uke:
Z you ignorant slut, i just gave Russia a free pass on whatever they want to do to you.
to both:
good luck boys, i was sincere and you FA.
now comes FO and i’m not gonna lift another finger.
👍🏻 😂 👍🏻
Thank you. I think folks are on overload at this point. Pretty sure you’re correct.
I’m confused.
I thought Sundance, in his travels to Russia, said Russia’s economy is strong and that sanctions weren’t having much impact.
And I’ve ready military reports from those on the ground that Russia is gaining ground, albeit slowly at times.
So what is REALLY going on? If Russia isn’t as bad off as Trump said, then he REALLY is in a bubble……
Youd be surprised how resilient Russians are….to both the west and their own leaders decisions.
Bubble supply by Kellogg and ms.Linda ,blumental????? this nightmare (end of deep state) only by capitulation of Kyiv……
The fact that this war has been going on for four years but we still know so little about it is interesting, isn’t it?
That message wasn’t supposed to reflect President Trump’s view on what was really going on.
It was a way to say that the USA is sitting this one out.
Buh bye, NATO!
Putin probably thought that the war was going to end fairly soon with Russia gaining territory until PT “changed”.
I have no idea if the average Russian is stressed with gas lines, etc. or how good or bad Russia’s economy is.
Euroweasels are and will continue to be economically strained by a continued war.
The situation doesn’t change from the Euros/DeepState wanting US drawn into a larger war. Their desperation makes this scenario more likely.
According to the MSM & alphabet soup of intel agencies. The Russian economy imploded three years ago and 2 million Russians died, whilst few Ukrainians suffered minor flesh wounds.
The refinery issue is largely PR nonsense. If a storage container goes up it creates a lot of smoke & fire but no real loss. In the big picture.
If something actually important gets hit, the refinery might operate at reduced capacity until full repair. They’re designed to be resilient and limit fire & explosion risks.
Pot-shots from relatively small drones aren’t nearly enough to put em out of commission for long term/good.
The gas lines seem to a regional supply-chain snafu in one particular oblast, that eventually got straightened out. NAFO & Ukraine took credit and ran with it, as a “win”.
The Euros don’t have anything to fight with and US involvement goes nuclear, so that’s a no go.
I was surprised to read about the economy and did a bit of digging with Grok. Shelves are full, but food is at an 11% inflation rate while other areas average 8%. The Central bank is trying to cool inflation with 17% rates. The economy grew last year a 0.3%.
Drone strikes and sanctions are hurting with gas lines in 20 sectors. Sanctions, weather, and not enough people to work the fields are contributing to the food inflation. War consumes 13% of GDP an 68% of the federal budget. Public sentiment for war is eroding.
Don’t underestimate the Russians. I’ve learned from the wars in the former Yugoslavia and the determination of Serbs to never underestimate the drive and ingenuity of a native population to defend territory. Sometimes, even a household appliance as simple as a microwave oven becomes a defensive tool against a mighty force.
Microwaves proved smart decoys for Nato bombs | The Herald
Sorry to tell you but Grok is inherently wrong.
AI runs on the preponderance of data that gets fed to it.
So garbage in = garbage out.
Groc is for those who want to believe a computer has an intellect.
I think Putin tried to burn Trump and this is Trump’s response. Fine, Trump tried, so eff Putin.
Yes look at Putins statements yesterday or Sunday
Insufferable midget.
Ukraine if what I read is accurate is about out of soldiers.
Grabbing men off the street and impressing them.
If that is the case Z just got a drop dead do not pass go letter .
Pretty much, press-gangs and coercion is the main avenue of recruitment in Ukraine.
Sundance,I think we would all like your take on this please
If the President really wants to “be on the sidelines” until both sides in this conflict come to their senses then he needs to STOP saying NATO , it’s the EU. If he continues to say NATO, he has essentially given the Ukraine de facto membership in the alliance … I don’t care who is spending the money to buy the weapons.
OK fine, affirm NATO borders, airspace and sea boundaries …. but beyond that IT IS THE EU and not NATO.
As soon as he stops saying “NATO” and substitutes “EU”, the entire complexion of the conflict changes. It also would give pause to the idiots like the President of Finland and Baltic States from declaring a need for “NATO” to create a “Second Front”.
He needs to clearly draw the line of what is a NATO concern and what is an EU only concern … in the eyes of the US. As of this very minute the US sees NATO ending at the Don River.
I appreciate your desire to make the distinction, but don’t you think that the NATO charter is the governing authority? If it happens that Russia lobs a few missiles into Poland, do you think President Trump will be able to split hairs and say that it was an attack on an EU member and not a NATO member?
NO.
The Ukraine is NOT part of NATO.
Russia has NOT threatened NATO.
It is the EU, using the NATO logo, that was a major instigator of the conflict.
The NATO Charter has zero to do with this conflict. Therefore, the charter should never even be mentioned. At this point, NATO is involved only as the bloody head in Macbeth Bloody Head as a talisman and threat.
Imagine that a “defensive alliance” charter being used as a threat by people who want war.)
There is NO “hair” splitting involved. The EU wants and offensive war vs a nation that is NOT threatening NATO, therefore the TREATY DOES NOT APPLY. It is clearly an EU problem.
The European countries which claim that Russia violated their air space, didin’t take their complaints to the EU. They invoked the NATO charter, Article 4. Trump’s response — if Russian planes come over your air space, you shoot them down. (In other words, don’t expect the United States to go to war in order to protect your air space.)
Tough SH_T for them. They should have been sent packing if President Trump is really on the sidelines.
THE EU nations have been and are active participants in the war they helped start and they are actively STOPPING any peace initiatives. They can invoke the Charter all they want … it should fall on deaf ears in the US. Invoking a Charter does not mean a thing if it is not invoked per the actual DEFENSIVE Provisions of the Charter … the EU is on the offensive and they are using the NATO Organization in an OFFENSIVE Manner which nullifies invoking anything.
I think Putin escalates.
Putin has been escalating
greatly.. past 2 months no more SMO….
Don’t actually like the pat on the back to Zelensky and his seven headed dragon. Glad President Trump gave up trying to get those two to end the fighting. Just hope that stops congress from their quest to continue aid. Might say Trump gave each a fishing pole.
Even the anti Russia all the time Economist magazine admits the Russian economy is doing fine.
“Real wages are at an all-time high. Unemployment is at all-time lows. In sharp contrast to gloomy attitudes across Western economies, Russians have rarely felt better about their economic situation”
https://archive.is/2025.09.23-142332/https://www.economist.com/finance-and-economics/2025/09/21/russias-besieged-economy-is-clinging-on#selection-1293.225-1293.424
Back in August, the Pentagon told the Baltic states that the party is over and they are on their own
“But at a meeting with European officials in late August, Pentagon officials said they did not intend to fund the program during the next fiscal year. They also said they planned to eliminate security assistance funds administered by the U.S. European Command area generally, according to European and U.S. officials with knowledge of the meeting.”
https://www.reuters.com/world/baltic-states-prepare-push-save-us-security-assistance-pentagon-cuts-2025-09-11/
So now all we hear now are “stories” about Russian drone and MIG incursions into the Baltic region.
They and the EU are desperately trying to suck us in. They want our money and blood.
P.S. Russia will not give up any territory
Apparently Trump still is being fed bad information. Ukraine will loose this even with all the support that it has received to date and what it might receive in the future. Ukraine has no manpower left to fight and if it could conscript enough there isn’t any time to train them. Russia is making drones and missiles at an amazing pace and Ukraine is loosing facilities daily that make drones. It is a shame so many Ukrainians have to die to keep their dictator in power.
delusional.
our supplied weapons can drone-screw russia into forever wars, while isolating every purchaserof their oil, and negotiating a oil supply via mid east (for Europe)
why would the President openly mock Russia if he felt they were anything
After I got over my shock at this statement, I concluded this might be one of his best deals yet.
How, you ask?
Russia – failing economy, gas lines
Ukraine – You have Great Spirit & can win back the lost land!!
EU: UKR can win w/your $$$$ support!!
NATO: UKR can win w/your military weapons!!
Meanwhile, back on the America-First Ranch…
USA: sells military weapons to NATO and claws back Biden-Billions $$$$$ from UKR, & simultaneously depletes our NATO contribution, significantly, & Cowboy 47 is cheering them on (since they screwed up his peace plans)
GOOD LUCK!!!
Home, Home on the Range… (Cowboy 47 humming as he rides off into the sunset)
This reminds me of the Israelites demanding to have a king, just like all their surrounding neighbors. God was supposed to be their King, but they rejected that idea.
So God gave them what they desired. We know how that turned out.
Everyone is getting what they want here. We know how this will turn out.
NATO’s budget is $3.6 billion a year. We’ve given Ukraine almost $300 billion according to President Trump. Realistically, how far is that $3.6 billion in NATO’s budget going to go at the rate Ukraine burns $$$? That’s assuming that 100% of the budget goes to Ukraine which is highly unlikely!
and money is printed in an office we pretend to complain about as we grin
rip the curtain back – this is a joke
Preach it, MC 😎 !
Brand of the America-First ranch:
FAFO!
Hi Val!! Onward and upward!!
The statement by Trump is beyond disappointing ! That there is a path to regaining lost ground in Ukraine is ridiculous ! The only way that happens is WWIII . That ends with nuclear war and the end of western civilization and the death of billions ! We’re still going to be supplying the weapons even if Europe pays for them. I have my doubts about Europe being the one actually paying. If Trump wanted to invade Venezuela I can do enough mental gymnastics to justify it. I can’t even begin to justify the war in Ukraine.
he said it to punk Russia. for taking 3 years what we would have done in 3 weeks.
get with the program – you are as witty as PDJT is and as Red blooded – stop doubting easy stuff
Trump has sadly crossed the rubicon. His truth social statement claims he thinks Ukraine can win. It’s a sickening and pathetic end to my hopes for getting this to a peaceful end, and getting America out.
“I think Ukraine, with the support of the European Union, is in a position to fight and WIN all of Ukraine back in its original form. With time, patience, and the financial support of Europe and, in particular, NATO, the original Borders from where this War started, is very much an option.”
One of the weaknesses of this great President is how he gets played, sucked up to and tricked by those who appeal to his vanity. NATO goons caught the scent, found an opening, and burrowed in.
These are the reasons I lose hope for the future of this planet. War is inevitable, is being prepared for in Europe, and Trump is pushing his chips in.
Put this in an envelope, date it and seal it. In 6 months open it and see how right or wrong you were
Hope you are right Sub Vet. But he also told NATO to go ahead and shoot down and Russian jets that cross territory. As you well know, it only takes a spark to ignite a massive reactive war. This is EXACTLY what the globalists want, for the insane reasoning they can survive it while they reset the planet. NONOE OF THEM BELIEVES IT CAN GO NUCLEAR. They….are…..wrong.
nah – reread that… he is saying it to RUSSIA, nothing in this POST is to Ukraine
Micromanaging who this is for is folly..
“Micromanaging” or covert diplomacy?
WHO a message is for is every bit as important as WHAT the message says.
President Trump is pretty darn good at getting his messages through to the right party.
Be patient, my friend.
So Sundance,
You were there. Were there gas lines?
Or is our President being gaslighted by our IC?
One thing I am sure about is that Ukraine can’t win back another inch of land. They can’t even hold long against Russian assault.
Yeah. I get that Russia isn’t doing blitzkrieg. But they are still gaining ground. Slowly, but relentlessly.
And I have given up on trusting anybodies numbers. That is just another part of WWReddit.
“Were there gas lines?”
i am quite sure that, since trump had a convo with Z 30 minutes before this, it is a talking point he is repeating and no doubt saw a couple salacious pictures of something that resulted from one of their oil refinery bombings.
it literally changes nothing, because russia actually has a strategy and a foreign policy set of objectives that is not driven by the tweet of the day… unlike the west.
drones and bombs from Ukraine on refineries is stopping Russia from exporting products to guess who?
you get it. India got the VISAS for this REASON. he is trading to fight real shit. not our internal politic shit
and it wont be gas lines (terrible if Russia cant supply their own selves – almost insane statement)
it will be no countries in line to buy their shit. as in when people mock him and say there are no gas lines, he will say no shit idiot, no one is lined up to buy russia oil anymore
You’re so smart too bad you aren’t president. You really think so little of Trump that you believe he saw some pictures of blown up oil tankers and made that statement?
Ru isn’t just Moscow and St. Petersburg the pro Russian channels aren’t going to talk about that
Russia is a major OPEC oil producing nation. I doubt that they have gas lines anymore than Saudi Arabia has gas lines.
Or, is our President taking what he was told and using it to support what he wants to achieve?
Ukraine can retake their lost territory?
Really?
No, they can’t.
yeah, my reaction to that was:
“C’mon, Don – you don’t have anyone around you who can tell you what happened in 2014? Who can describe the Eastern provinces being shelled by Kyiv? You know – the ones where many people are ethnic Russian and still speak the Russian language and want to secede from Ukraine?”
As Joetato Biden would say: “C’mon mannnnnn!”
Here are better headlines
Trump Fired Up at U.N.!
Blasts Globalists for ‘Funding an Assault on Western Countries’ with Mass Migration
‘It’s Time to End the Failed Experiment of Open Borders’
When you can’t reason with someone, sometimes you just have to give a smile and say, “Oh, sure, uh huh, you bet.” while slowly backing away…
Some folks are determined to be delusional.
Sometimes you just have to humor them.
You can’t fix stupid, but you can distance yourself from it.
Well if that wasn’t a middle finger to Putin then nothing is. Trump tried to end it and Putin skated around the offer. While unable to ignore Trump’s offer, Putin didn’t seem to really be interested in ending the conflict, which correctly stated, should have been over in a month, or less. Trump tried. let Putin live with the consequences.
Putin’s not ready … he wants to seek a more advantageous Russian position before halting military action
Where the unavoidable truth of the situation is the truth on the ground
Yes, on the face of it. On the flip side, Putin can say America is losing interest. NATO is turning into a customer, no longer a real alliance. Putin knows his economy, casualty rate, military readiness, public mood. What Trump said on those topics matters little, except to numbskull media, who will obsess on the misdirection.
Meanwhile back in DC, Lindsey Graham and his band of military grifters are having a party to celebrate.
they may break out the adrenochrome for this one.
A lot of “washing his hands” comments here.
“I was ’round when Jesus Christ
Had his moment of doubt and pain
Made damn sure that Pilate
Washed his hands and sealed his fate”
I don’t think Trump actually believes Ukraine is in a position to win a war with Russia. IMO, Trump has moved away from USA involvement. Whatever happens is up to Ukraine and the EU/NATO crowd and of course whatever Russia does.
Trump was not all that “enthusiastic” with the comment. Just another throw away statement to move past an annoyance. He has compartmentalized that war issue for the time being.
The punk should not take it as an affirmation of assistance or deep interest. IMO
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Aimlessly?
Russian has wiped out a million or more with reserve troops whom are now experienced troops, kept the best troops in reserve for the expected NATO attack on Russia, bled down NATO weapon stocks, kept civilian causalities to a minimum, boosted the Russian economy and has made it self sufficient, advanced drone tech as a force multiplier, freed people in the regions whom were being genocided by the wicked Ukraine government put into power by Obama and his ilk in 2014.
I could go on, but that is just off the top of my head. Russia has nothing to be gained by being in a hurry. Sure he could carpet bomb them like we did Iraq, how did that work out pray tell?
The Russian economy is shit. You really think they’re avoiding civilian casualties even now? You think the people in the Donbas were experiencing a genocide?
RU isn’t some holy country just because globalists don’t like them doesn’t make them good
1) As documented by Sundance on this very website Russia is doing fine and anti fragile.
2) As I pointed out; Putin could just carpet bomb the place like the US have done in many places.
3) If you are not aware of the genocide committed by Ukraine then we can’t continue to have a discussion.
Look up the Minsk agreements going back to 2014. The Ukrainians were shelling civilian cities and towns. I never indicated Russia is a holy nation or not. I specifically indicated my reply was in regards to the charge of an aimless war and the speed of its execution.
You may wish to look up the Ukrainian Azov battalion. Ukraine are not good people but a shadow government setup by Obama and his ilk in 2014. The whole point was to draw Russia into a war so they could be destroyed, hence the genocide of Russians in Eastern Ukraine.
The USA has not won a war since WWII. How many times did we hear that they were turning the corner in Afghanistan?
Recall when we were told that Afghanistan had a trillion dollars in rare earths?
Russia by dragging this out with attrition warfare, the aim of which is to destroy the Ukraine army to deplete NATO,save Russian lives,and not to take territory is feeding the delusion that Ukraine could win.
It’s taking a long time to exhaust NATO.
Ukraine winning is like Mexico winning against the USA.I don’t see it
What happened to ending the war in 24 hours? or 100 days? or its not my war?
Maybe Trump has passed the tar baby to the EU.I have no way of knowing.
Russia has a choice, either compel unconditional surrender, or allow the EU to bring in conscription and go to a war economy.
Grand alliances produce world wars.
There would have been no WWI if there had been no grand alliances and warmongers like Churchill.
There would have been no WWII (Really WWI Act 2) if Poland had not been promised support from Britain and France.
If left to themselves to sort out the border dispute with Germany, everybody else could have sat it out.
Are the warmongers, profiteers, banks slow dancing us to another world war?
yeah, I’m tired of this “rare earths” shell game
just mine the frikken ones in the American west already, ok?
We beat Grenada. Does that count?
If you read the whole Truth Post ,and the same Truth Post I read, it seemed to be much more a case of President Trump saying good luck to Zelenskyy and burn in Hell to Putin.
There was nothing even Steven about the President’s Truth Post other than the “Good luck to all!” at the end.
The rest of it was dropping rhetorical Bunker Buster bombs on the warmongering monster Putin, and warmongering monster is clearly what President Trump now recognizes Putin to be, regardless of all the love and approval Putin may get here.. President Trump doesn’t fool so easily.
I don’t like one word of his comment.
So, we are not going to directly fund this war –
but, indirectly?
If President Trump is playing some
psychological game or has been grossly
misinformed – ?
This is 100% about putin needlessly escalating and ending diplomatic engagement.
Did you ever think maybe he’s got more information than you or I? Pro Russian media is just as bad and bs as pro Ukraine media. So it puts the truth somewhere in the middle.
I believe he is trying to get the USA out of this mess, by telling NATO they can BUY US weapons and do whatever they want with them, but that the USA won’t be giving weapons to Ukraine or sending our troops there.
Now Russia is faced with an active war with NATO, without the USA’s participation, on Ukraine soil.
That might persuade them to come to the negotiating table.
NATO is faced with footing the ENTIRE Ukraine war bill, along with footing the bill for their own social welfare programs at home, and dealing with the civil unrest of their own native populations, AND possible war with Russia, ALL ALONE.
Maybe VSGPDJT is taking a page out of Coward and Piven and is trying to put pressure on the Globalist-Left, causing it to collapse and freeing the peoples of Europe from the true enemy (the Globalist-Left?)
I dunno…
How do you end a Fake War? I don’t think it’s ever been tried before.
“The New Normal”
What we are witnessing on fake news is a fake war that persists mostly just to push back against MAGA/Trump at this point. Alarming display to behold if you’re willing to stop pretending and see it. The globalist cabal can simply wait it out.
That oh so famous “ghost of Kiev”.
You know the one that was downing all the Mig’s.
lol
so dang fake
Trump as the mediator can only offer solutions. It’s completely up to the parties to work out their differences. Sure, Trump as the president has many other tools and options for leverage. Trump feels he’s exhausted all of them, so be it. Europe is weak and broken. That is a dangerous for the world, say your prayers.
Serious question: where can one find a reliable interactive UKR-RUS map with “border” evolutions from the past year or so?
The Economist had one at the beginning but then it stopped…
Something recognized not propaganda in either direction.
Thanks.
Did anyone who wrote congratulatory comments actually read what PT wrote?
The short third paragraph might a nice goodbye message, I guess.
But the first two paragraphs look like serious pretending to me. Or an intention to get us into a big war.
Is there any statement in them that is accurate?
An intention to get us into a big far FR? This is intended to get Putin to actually seriously engage in diplomacy. Putin is the one who’s continually escalated.
If he doesn’t come to the table Trump will cripple the Russian economy and let the EUROs buy what they want for Ukraine
Hmmmmm….
No, Ukraine is NOT in a position to win back all of its territory to the border – no amount of funding and equipment shipments will fix that.
The Ukrainian army morale is just as low as that of the Russian army.
PTrump’s words seem to less an encouragement for the EU and Ukraine, and more of a not-so-gentle jab to Putin that a super-power military should have had this wrapped up a long time ago.
These words, to this humble observer, are more equivalent to a “Fish, or cut bait!” to both sides than anything else.
That’s my impression as well.
As much difficulty as I am having trying to figure out why so many Democrats hated Charlie Kirk, I am having even greater difficulty trying to figure out why anyone could love Vladimir Putin.
I don’t think anyone here loves Putin. We just think he means what he says.
For many years Russia has said seriously and plainly that having NATO encroach closer to them was unacceptable. About like we would have reacted during the cold war to having Soviet installations in Canada and Mexico. And NATO kept pushing.
I’m OK with having Russia get their way with this. It doesn’t worry me to have Ukraine neutral any more than it does to have Austria neutral.
Or Moldova.
Putin is a pretty serious liar. A lot of what Russia has said regarding this war has been a lie. If Putin meant what he said he wouldn’t have escalated and snubbed Trumps very reasonable starting point for negotiating
Russia hasn’t been fighting a war with Ukraine.
It’s a special military operation.
They have carefully conformed to the parameters that the designation affords.
NATO and the US
Have been committing acts of war with Russia since Boris Johnson stepped in and sabotaged the tentatively agreed upon peace agreement.
I hope Trump is just making negotiation points .
If not he is being terribly advised.
Russia. Views this situation as an existential threat.
If the threat arises their hardened trained military ground force would make short work of the soft inexperienced NATO military.
Russia has the ability to lay waste everything of value in Ukraine .
Remember the four patriot batteries sent to protect Kiev.
They didn’t last one week.
Russia has a supersonic nuclear possible missile that no other military can reliably stop.
How many of them landing on NATO soil do you think it would take to have nato fold like a cheap camera.
Russia is a military superpower with an experienced battle hardened ground force.
I really don’t know what Trump is thinking.
Why don’t you stop regurgitating Doug Macgregor and co talking points and look at things objectively.
RU is full of it on many points. They aren’t “fighting all of NATO” they’re fighting a country with essentially no airforce and old military equipment. Yeah the patriots got hit, if RU were fighting an actual peer army as they like to say most of their AD would be taken out along with supply lines, weapons depots and infrastructure
BREAKING: Trump Says NATO Should Shoot Down Russian Aircraft if They Breach the Alliance’s Airspace (VIDEO)
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2025/09/breaking-trump-says-nato-should-shoot-down-russian/
That airspace contains huge amounts of commercial and civilian aircraft. Hope everyone stays alert.
They should Russia absolutely would
Big if.
President Trump presented a “plan”. Obviously, neither Putin or Zelensky could agree to it. Perhaps not a perfect solution, but an optimal solution….and so now it goes as the World turns.
It looks like the US will be “selling” things rather than “giving” things.
Sometimes you have to make an addict (NATO) pay for his choices, instead of just giving him his substance of choice.
Some folks have to hit bottom…
My 2 cents….
Trump tried hard to get Putin to accept less than he originally wanted. Part of that persuasion included strong arming Zed to be accepting of a deal that resulted in some lost territory.
But Putin refused. He wanted it all.
So Trump decided to walk away.
Hopefully he stops giving Zed $$, and forces the Euros to support them. And that he actually SELLS them weapons.
Trump is forming his “OUT” and will let Europe and Russia have it out on their own.
Crimea and the Donbas region have been RUSSIA since Catherine the Great annexed them around 1750. The areas were Russia during the 1917 revolution. The areas were Russia until Nikita Khrushchev gifted them to Ukraine in 1954. Khrushchev whom I believe was married to a Ukrainian loved Ukraine. This wasn’t much an issue during Soviet times as Ukraine was a favored satellite of the Soviet Union. So in fact, Russia invaded Russia and Russia will never ever give up Crimea. Russia quickly made that clear in 2014 during the Ukrainian color revolution brought on stage by the United States and a full assortment of criminals supported by the USA. So then Ukraine proceeded to try and drive the Russians out using artillery. How many thousands killed by Ukraine then? Russia would have stopped after reclaiming their historic territory but for the USA providing the material and resources to fight them. Russia is not the bad guy here. Zelensky POS is a tool and a fool, and a lousy actor besides. A coke snorting buddy of a certain American son. Go ahead and nit-pick pick me.
Any war started under Obama and escalated under Biden has got to be bad.
The reality is, that with so much propaganda and many disinformation ploys being played, nobody knows the real status of the conflict. Other than watching territory gains on the ground by Russia and just a few territory gains by Ukraine that is.
President Trump’s remarks will surely needle Putin.
The Ukraine War drones slowly on, because both sides want America to pay. They want us to pay them to stop fighting.
Remember the Camp David Accords? President Carter gave a Billion Dollar Check to Anwar Sadat, and he gave another Billion Dollar Check to Menachem Begin, so that they would shake hands and stop fighting. We are still making annual payments to Egypt and Israel.
This epic troll of Putin and Zelenskyy by President Trump means the U.S. taxpayer is thankfully not going to be on the hook for peace in Ukraine. Ukraine is out of soldiers, but Russia would like nothing better than to hand the bill for rebuilding Ukraine to the United States. The two countries will have to find some way to stop fighting without a big payday from Uncle Sam.
Let’s not forget why NATO was formed to start with. NATO was created as a collaborative defense of multiple nations to defend against Russia if it were to invade. The lesson comes from 70 + years of the Russian (Soviet) occupation and terrorism of a multitude of nations that alone could not fight Russia successfully. The memory of what Russia did in those 70 + years is still fresh in the minds of the NATO countries. One of those in the multitude of nations that was occupied and terrorized by Russia is Ukraine. So when Ukraine expresses the desire to join NATO understandably, Russia invades Ukraine to try to prevent this. NATO does little to help while the US sends weapons to give Ukraine a chance to defend itself. Very little is done by the US (the OBiden administration) to verify and audit this money/weapons sent to Ukraine to ensure that it is used for what it was intended. Despite reports from Poland that there is evidence that much of the money was laundered back to the Democrats and despite calls by some congressmen to make sure the money is not being stolen nothing is done. Today, after so much aid was sent to Ukraine, un-audited, the narrative has changed to imply that Ukraine/Zelensky has stolen much of the funds and the aid was wasted. No one is calling for a verification of what really happened to the aid and the dying media is continuing to claim that theft and corruption is involved by Ukraine but not by the Democrats at all. Let’s try to understand that and think about it.
You kinda forgot the part about the Russian Army fighting German, Austrian, Italian, Yugoslavian, Romanian, Bulgarian and Waffen SS Divisions from Poland, France, Holland, Norway and Denmark at the gates of Moscow and Stalingrad and then beating them all the way back to Berlin!
Is that what you meant about memories being still fresh in the minds of Europeans?
Before WWII:
… or in WWI the Western Allies begging Russia to conduct ruiness offensives that the Russian Army was in no condition to conduct …. because the Germans needed to be distracted from kicking their asses in France. The destruction of the Russian Army bring on the 1917 October Revolution.
… or the Russians being begged multiple times from 1712 through 1815 to save the Western Europeans from the Prussians, Swedes and French.
Then recently:
… or the broken promises of NATO allies promising not to advance their borders 3 x before 2022.
… or Obama trying to overthrow President Putin in 2014.
… or do we forget the Billions of Dollars sent to Russia by the Clinton Administration to disarm in the 1990’s.
…. gee and the Russian Military and Economy is only a fraction of it’s former Soviet Predecessor …. economically 1/5th the size of the mighty EU Economy, 1/2 the size of the mighty EU defense forces and if the EU Pundits are to be believed still in the technological stone age.
… I guess Angela Merkel (one of those down trodden East Germans) bragging the Minsk accords were to buy time for the Ukraine to build up for more attacks on the Donbas were just a joke.
By the way … those Warsaw Pact Governments did as much damage to their own nations as the Russians …. and every one of those Warsaw Pact Nations (except Poland) WILLINGLY contributed entire FIELD ARMIES of 100,000’s of soldiers during WWII under NAZI COMMAND.
Just an aside. The problem with the Russian army was their terrible generals. Some who committed suicide rather than face home. Furthermore calling up women didn’t help a thing when the Russian soldiers didn’t want to fight anymore.
Or, just go to the Non-Aggression Pact between the Soviets and Germany not to attack Poland which they both eventually did anyway. The ties that bind started WWI. That is why NATO is a joke. We should never agree to defend anyone in Europe NOW.
Also Banderites in Ukraine fought against Soviets in the second world war.
You know those same Soviets that were fighting off a Nazi invasion..
So Ukraine was kind of sort of fighting on the wrong wide of WW2 for the Nazi’s
Banderites still have a large sway over Zelensky today.
Also which American president said this:
“if Russia is winning, we ought to help Germany, and that way let them kill as many as possible, although I don’t want to see Hitler victorious in any circumstances.”
It was Truman in 1941
If we helped Germany and Japan fight Russia and China would communism exist today?
Do you honestly believe if your scenario were to come about in attacking China and Russia that nuclear bombs will not start raining down on Germany and Japan and very likely the USA. Sorry, but your suggestion is a recipe for the annihilation of all involved. Think about it.
Sorry, I was not clear. I meant in the 1930s.
Sadly, free stuff at the expense of others, and out-grouping others are perennial favorites of Dbag politicians and rulers. And near irresistible for the more foolish and selfish voters.
” history is driven by selfishness and stupidity” – stupidity about the rights of others, and the consequences thereof.
“you must despise those you would mistreat” – not just that others must be ‘outgrouped’ first, but perhaps worse – after having wronged someone(s), people seek to justify their evil.
I think such rationalizing leads people to ever-worsening behavior and madness. The stubborn madness of left-wing ruling classes is a good example. They embarked on great stupidity, perhaps lured by bribery, now they cannot relent.
A common claim that needs context is that Ukrainians were fighting on the wrong side during WWII against the Soviets/Russians. This needs to be clarified once and for all. If you examine history you will see that the Soviets/Russians had starved MILLIONS of Ukrainians in the Holodomor with an artificial famine created by Stalin and his minions. The Soviets/Russians had also occupied much of Ukraine for years tormenting, terrorizing, exterminating, arresting and exiling common citizens to slave labor camps in Siberia as part of a reign of terror to keep Ukrainians from organizing to revolt against these monsters. It was not uncommon to see a black van appear in the night at a neighbor’s house, load up that entire family and never heard from again. Living day to day not knowing if your family was next is terror unimaginable. During WWII when the German army began heading toward Russia they had to go through Ukraine. Try to imagine what joy and hope Ukrainians had that the Germans would finally rid the country of Soviets/Russians as they advanced. Germans were welcomed and assisted with food and shelter in the false belief that they would be better than what had been with the Soviets/Russians before. This is not “collaborating” with Nazis as often is stated. This is joining with a force against the Soviets/Russians for liberation. Sadly, the Germans/Nazis proved to be no better than the Soviets/Russians and began exterminating Ukrainian citizens as they advanced. As word spread about the betrayal, Ukrainians had to decide which side was worse, the occupiers being pushed back to Russia or the Nazis who had come. This was much like the choice the West had to make between defeating Nazis or the Red Terror (Soviets/Russians) who were also exterminating people in countries they occupied like the Nazis were. I hope this helps with some clarity that is completely lost in many commentaries.
I think the Romanians, Italians, and Ukranian Waffen SS liked so much their role in the Battle of Stalingrad that they want more punishment. The French had surrendered and the British were hiding behind our skirts so they did not gat a taste of Russia’s methodical war. Finland did. Our enemies from WWII now want US to dismember Russia for them.
America does not want to fight in Ukraine, a country that outlaws Orthodox Christians. I hope President Trump is just teasing them to test how they like it when the body bags start returning to England and France and the Eastern Europeans countries that fought for Hitler in. Staligtrad and Kursk.
I forgot to mention the shameless Norwegian Quislings, Sweden who kept selling iron ore to Hitler, and the Lithuanians who volunteered executing Jews with wooden bats in public squares after Hitler came in.
i think the purpose of the Ukranian war is to create a Chabad State for the Khazarians in the empty steppes.
If Ukraine is outlawing Orthodox Christians it would be the Russian Orthodox Church (ROC) and not the Ukrainian Orthodox Church (UOC). Russian propaganda would have you believe what you stated. The ROC has historically been tied with the Russian government and has been shown to act as an arm of the Russian government often spying on its behalf and acting with malice toward Ukrainian Orthodox Christians. Outlawing the ROC is the proper step in fighting the Russian blight.
Just like the Ukrainian divide of loyalties to Russia versus Ukraine today, WWII had the Ukrainian population also divided between NAZI’s and Russians. The Germans, part of NATO, also used Ukraine as the pathway to invade Russia killing millions. In the end it may be better if Ukraine were split.
Maiden, Victoria, Samantha, USAID, Wimsey, Ukraine attacking Russians for years. The same Russians that voted to be w/Russia. All ring my bells. Nothing is black and white in this hot mess created by the good ol USA.
“to defend against Russia if it were to invade.”
Russia?
You mean the USSR right?
The entity that stopped existing in 1991?
NATO an organization that has doubled in size since the collapse of the Soviet Union.
The entity that stopped existing in 1991 ? Who do suppose that entity was ? It was Russia in case you missed it. It was Russia that sent it’s troops into Hungary to stop the uprising, it was Russia that occupied and terrorized half of Europe for over 70 years. Remember that the Soviet Union’s collapse had no revolutionary type blood shed, there were no Russian/Soviet criminals brought to justice by an international court, there was no investigation into the millions that had been murdered by the Russians/Soviets and the many former “Soviets” in power retired to a peaceful dacha or simply changed hats to deceive the gullible West. NATO did and should have doubled to what it is as a deterrent.