A very interesting response from President Trump against the U.S. President stepping back and awaiting Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelenskyy and Russian President Vladimir Putin to organize their teams and schedule a bilateral discussion.
President Trump has said he expects the diplomatic teams of Zelenskyy and Putin to coordinate a face-to-face meeting between Putin and Zelenskyy in the next two weeks.
As noted by Secretary of State Marco Rubio, sometimes it just takes putting the principals into the same room to break the logjam. However, both regimes have entrenched ideologues who are positioning for maximum leverage.
President Trump is asked what he will do if Zelenskyy and Putin cannot or do not organize a meeting. WATCH:
For the first time President Trump indicates he’s willing to take a full retreat position from the effort, “or do we do nothing, and say it’s your fight.” Doing nothing seems to indicate the U.S. withdraws all support and lets them fight to the point of defeat or surrender. Doing nothing is actually doing something quite remarkable.
In the background of all of this, DNI Tulsi Gabbard has issued a directive telling all of the intelligence agencies all information regarding the Russia-Ukraine peace negotiations is not to be shared with U.S.-allied intelligence partners.
[…] “The memo, dated July 20 and signed by Gabbard, directed agencies to not share information with the so-called Five Eyes, the post-World War II intelligence alliance comprising the U.S., U.K., Canada, Australia and New Zealand, multiple U.S. intelligence officials told CBS News.” {LINK}
Five Eyes corrupt.
CIA corrupt.
Maybe Bolton getting nailed will open the eyes of the public to how the elite DC class grift off of our agencies.
Have we reformed FBI and DOJ hiring practices?
Tulsi Gabbard has cut 40% of staff.
When will State and DOD follow suit?
All of the actual bodies generate more bodies (employees), consultants, dinners, perks, and eventually graft.
We don’t need 35 4-star Generals who didn’t modernize or expand our ammo and missile production capabilities. No ‘surge capacity’. Wasting $1 Trillion a year.
Four hundred worldwide military bases. Why?
Empire mentality. From ancient times up to the present.
Satan has made each of them an offer they could not refuse:
“ 8 Again, the devil took Him up on an exceedingly high mountain, and showed Him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory. 9 And he said to Him, “All these things I will give You if You will fall down and worship me.” (Matt 4:8-9)
It truly is amazing how we can hold the repeated histories of world civilizations and their all too similar downfalls and yet, “WE” as humanity in general refuse to learn from the mistakes of our predecessors. The Founders created the first doctrine for potentially breaking from that cycle of repeated civilizational decline/collapse, but their ancestors couldn’t change the founders vision fast enough. Shocker. Here we are again standing on the edge of the abyss.
“Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.”
ref. Declaration of Independence, July 4, 1776, Second paragraph
As I slowly read and absorbed thee beautifully written words, I thought…at least 75% of our Congress could not begin to understand them much less apply them.
Bingo. And that is exactly one of the main objectives of the elites who helped shape American education into what it has become – obedience training for the masses to be good & easily controlled subjects.
“It’s your fight.”
Pray tell:
who’s “your”?
I wrote my representative about 15 times with no response. Finally after writing once more about rescission bills to cancel all the wasteful spending for good, someone actually responded and threw the big beautiful bill in my face. They must have figured out I actually knew a little something about how the government works and didn’t like what I had to say! Corruption behind them all!
The truth is for sure, and following it will make us free.
What is the more mature and effective alternative? I’m not defending what we have done, not asking just rhetorically. What is the ideal way to be as a country?
I think in our 250 year history, we have some elements that are ideal.
Being a benevolent country is good. But being taken advantage ofis bad. Letting individual citizens or politicians gain by giving away the people‘s wealth is not good.
In principal, I think the more each citizen is aligned with the universal principles of our Creator, and we as a nation reflect those values, the healthier we will be
It is not the government, however, that is to be benevolent. The government‘s job is to serve and protect its citizens – – above all else.
Citizens can be benevolent, both external and internal to the country. Citizens can express outrage and exert influence to behavior by other countries.
When you give individual citizens or politicians, free reign with the wealth of the country, bad things happen
The reason there are trillions at stake is because crooked politicians freed up those trillions
The trillions were not “freed.” They were forcefully taken from the backs of those who worked/work to produce those trillions.
Far too many are still basing opinions on pre-Trump U.S. propagandized thinking, which has been continuously shaped over the past 112 years by the MSM, corrupted deep state, academia …all as dictated by the British/EU monarchies’ globalist banking & multinational corporate elites’ cartel.
There is no net economic gain in war. It is a zero sum loss with the loss of life and loss of property. What’s left might switch owners but the result is loss. Much of the rebuilding replaces what was already there, again a loss. There are winners….the arms manufacturers ….unless your factory is blown up. You still owe the bank and the insurance company won’t pay. The bank that has the loan on the ruined property can foreclose but they are stuck with removal of the debris and then an empty lot with maybe hazardous waste.
In the scheme of an economic pie when the war is over, the economic pie is smaller.
I should edit my post to include “..forcefully taken from the lives of those who died or whose lives and properties were destroyed.”
There’s a lot to unpack in your comment, CountryDoc.
“I think in our 250 year history, we have some elements that are ideal.”
No argument there. If there weren’t, then few citizens of other nations would risk life, limb, & whatever “fortune” they owned to come here.
“Being a benevolent country is good. But being taken advantage of is bad. Letting individual citizens or politicians gain by giving away the people‘s wealth is not good.”
Again, no argument. But…take note of this as we look at a subsequent statement:
“It is not the government, however, that is to be benevolent. The government‘s job is to serve and protect its citizens – – above all else.”
I may be using a more generic definition of benevolence than you, but I believe all of government must serve its citizens and specifically avoid NOT being benevolent in carrying out any of its mandates and actions that support the policies it promised the citizens or that are required by the Constitution. “Do no harm” may be a rule of ethics in the medical establishment (or at least used to be a rule) but IMHO it should apply equally to government; justice and punishment for lawbreakers notwithstanding.
And then, you note –
“Citizens can be benevolent, both external and internal to the country. Citizens can express outrage and exert influence to behavior by other countries.”
As long as you meant that citizens can exert influence to other countries’ behavior within our own borders, I am with you. But if you meant anywhere in the world, I cannot agree. It is precisely that U.S. meddling in Ukraine which resulted in the current war. It was U.S. meddling in Vietnam that spawned that war. It was U.S meddling in eastern Europe- the Balkans – that resulted in large numbers of dead citizens in those countries. And let’s not forget Iraq, Afghanistan, and Syria.
“When you give individual citizens or politicians, free reign with the wealth of the country, bad things happen.”
We can agree that almost all of what our government has done since the mid 1960s has NOT been benevolent to its citizens as a whole. It has selected some groups for benevolence while simultaneously harming others. Government manipulated information and it manipulated those who were granted freedom of the press to speak only as government directed.
“The reason there are trillions at stake is because crooked politicians freed up those trillions.”
Not sure what you meant by the latter half of the statement. Actually crooked politicians have heavily restricted our access to those trillions, via taxes, regulations, uneven trade policies, corrupt/”blind” banking oversight, government corruptly picking winners & losers across almost all domestic industry, and so much more. Government corruption has helped an elite few gather up most of those trillions over the past century, and that exfiltration of American’s wealth has increasingly accelerated over the past 30 years.
Bottom line, had we as a nation been better focused on our own population and government’s internal behavior and management of our resources while honoring the individual liberties that our own Constitution granted, and had our government been held in check when it sought to expand its power farther than our founders knew was safe, we woud be a different and better nation.
That is the “more mature and effective” alternative, IMHO.
“A republic, if you can keep it.”
Yup. $37 Trillion in debt, and the new tariff revenues only put a dent in it. $1 Trillion in interest payments a year.
Speaking of Satan, recall President Trump soon after re-entering the WH shut down some black site human trafficking sites? Just like Term 1 when he quivkly shut down the well-known BackPage prostitution site. These weren’t new investigations. Which means they were well-known, and no one shut them down.
Yes. PDJT has been an unusually preceptive and aware Chief Executive. His entrance into national politics, into the White House, and his current role in dramatically reshaping U.S. history cannot be explained away as mere “chance”………..
Nailed it! 😎
You ask, “When will State and DOD follow suit?”
I would suggest that the United States should reduce our Military footprint. We have over 750 military locations globally, spread across over 80 nations and territories as of 2025. That could be a start for the State Department and the DOD. They can downsize our presence in the European Theater tomorrow for all I care.
I am all for following the suggestion offered by the song “Vera” by Pink Floyd and Bring the Boys Back Home!
Agreed. Easily lop our European forces in half, and start removing bases by the hundred.
But apparently our ‘betters’ primary goal is worldwide hegemony, something I never voted for or even heard of! Which explains 800 military bases.
I just searched Japan. We have 120 active military bases and 53,700 American military personnel located there! Why? China?
there is 800 + military bases….world wide…
The current generals/admirals have no wins and should be put out to pasture. USA military needs new leadership and not DEI…bill
If the US backs out and says “have at it boys”, Ukraine will lose even more than it already has. Russia has plenty of cannon fodder to put into the fight, but Ukraine is scraping the bottom of the barrel. From the beginning I said Ukraine could not win. The disparity in populations between the two countries made that clear to anyone with some common sense and some knowledge of this history of warfare.
Plus, in the first 2 weeks of the conflict, 5-8 million Ukrainians fled their country to avoid fighting. 10’s of thousands made their way to the U.S.
The key part of “fled their country” is that it wasn’t their country. They just thought it was until the people who actually owned and operated it needed them to die for their transnational conquest. The more perceptive ones refused to die for someone else’s transnational empire and fled. The less perceptive and those unlucky enough to be caught up in the conscription dragnet, are dead. We Americans are in exactly the same situation.
Ukrainian legislators were not a part of an indigenous ruling class, but mere administrators who did what their transnational donors directed. Similarly, American legislators are not a part of an indigenous ruling class, but mere administrators who do what their transnational donors direct. One does not have to look further than the Republican Party. Even now, with civilization collapsing around our ears these idiots are still pressing to import more unassimilable foreigners for their cheap labor. They do this because they are paid to do so by the anti-Americans who control the $$$$$ printing press.
‘Legality’ is irrelevant when you are being replaced and destroyed. Whose law, extending from whose cultural values? What legitimacy to law when the people get the same result no matter who they vote for because the entire system has been rigged? If Henry Ford or similar capitalists of a century ago could see what mutilation has been wreaked upon America, they would not call what we have now ‘capitalism’ because what we have now is very far from their conservative European Christian vision.
So for those of us living in the U.S. now, is it really any different for us than it was for those Ukrainians? To fight and die for the U.S. is serving the transnational masters too? Until our government actually pulls back from those 750 bases thru-out the world, and starts serving just America’s interests, our Military is also just a tool for Empire. As a former Grunt, the current state of the usage of our Military bothers me greatly.
Well, last year we were down 2 million immigrants (most illegal). And frankly, I thought the opposition would be worse.
Look at how a few thousand border guards, same for DC, have transformed two areas!
I hope President Trump keeps a holding force in DC before releasing the shock troops to Chicago.
What, maybe 30% ate against his immigration enforcement? 35%??
“Look at how a few thousand border guards, same for DC, have transformed two areas!”
Considering the vast number of people on the us gov payroll, this is a drop in the bucket.
It was never an issue of cost to clean up, it was a matter of will.
I’ve met 3 such couples, and engaged one. Their son was amused that, allegedly, some of the invading Russian troops wore military parade uniforms?! Doesn’t sound like a long-planned invasion.
In my opinion, the very best option is to “bow out completely (no sales of weapons to EU either) and let them have at it! Anyone notice USA’s crumbling infrastructure?
There is money to both help Ukraine and improve infrastructure. It’s not a one or the othet thing.
No there is not. Have you noticed the Deficit Balance?
There’s $37T in debt & a “budget” adding $2T/year so please tell us, what money do you speak of & where is it?
Would this “money” be calculated before or after accounting for the national debt?
The national credit cards are overlimit, and the national bank account is overdrawn. What part of the 37 trillion-dollar national debt do you not understand?
POTUS suggested months ago cutting the military budget in half.
Is he worried cuts will lead to a more-well-planned attack on his life?
Ukraine is not our soil. These people are of a different ilk. We should not get close to such a corrupt nation and people.
We have players on the chess board who have profited greatly and corruptly from involvement in Ukraine. I would surmise there are those in our country and abroad who won’t allow the Ukrainian laundromat to be shut down.
It’s a lost cause, 1.8 million slaughtered Ukrainians, 300K or more amputees, another million or more injured. When is enough, enough?
Maybe if POTUS had cut off their money supply six months ago we would now have peace.
No money, little graft, let the EU step up or submit.
And when will we acknowledge Mayor Kletchko’s alleged prostitution operations?
Interesting that you you state; “Maybe if POTUS had cut off their money supply six months ago we would now have peace.”, but you don’t mention the 100’s of billions that Biden and Congress could have “cut off” 3 years ago to have peace now. Why is that Pe7rot?
For an individual, giving one’s own money to help others is an admirable thing.
For a country, giving it’s citizens ‘ money away to help other countries is not.
For Ukrainians, it should be Ukraine first.
For Americans, it should be America first.
Dan, Have you noticed the national debt-37 trillion and counting?
I think that’s what the majority of taxpaying Americans want…note: university students, paid to street protest and take over property are usually NOT tax-paying Americans.
Martin Armstrong of Armstrong Economics, and a fellow traveler, says that his sources tell him the number of dead Ukraines is 1.7M.
Sounds closer to the numbers I’m seeing on non-US websites.
Ref. https://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/ukraine-lost-million-personnel-war-files-generations
Source description: https://militarywatchmagazine.com/about_us
I roughly came up with 2 million by looking at the 2020 population, number of refugees that left by 2022 and estimated population of 2024. Any growth in population was negated by the war!
Zelensky himself knows this but he is willing and eager to fight to the end (the end meaning using his people as cannon fodder, not himself of course). The people of Ukraine need to get a grip, rise up and tell him enough is enough, his reign is over and it is time to get a real leader for Ukraine.
Ukrainians are not Zelensky’s people and he couldn’t care less about how many Orthodox Christian Slavs he gets killed!
sooo it was also same with.. first pres. of UKR. after US coup in the Feb.2014… poroschenko…saaad….
He suspended elections and is way past his term of office. How is this dude not a dictator?
How is this dude not a Banana Republic Dictator? Just because he is not in a warm tropical paradise does not mean he can’t be a Banana Dictator. But it’s cold in Ukraine! Okay. Fine. A Frozen Banana Daiquiri Dictator.
if his faith been christian/muslim he would be loooong time gone……
Disparity in Population, Land Mass, Economic Output, Size of Military… Any metric that can be found. Yes, to any rational person that took some time to look at this situation it was an obvious loser for Ukraine.
Tucker Carlson asked Viktor Orban if Ukraine had a chance, and Orban laughed in his face!
Just like Israel could never defeat Iran because of the disparity in populations.
Israel could defeat Iran in a heartbeat if we, the USA, would let them do it…
Disparity in populations is not a consideration for countries that have nuclear weapons and a way to deliver them…
Sound you do not mind…if it ended WW3…there is still smart/patriotic general in US ARMY… who knows how it would end..jjoy… never underestimate your enemies- SUN TZU-.. Ukr./Israel did underestimated them …..and saaadly paid dearly…..
yes exactly same…..in process many lives been lost and horrendous material lost…..
And Ukraine has killed off a large segment of its male population and destroyed much of the country. I keep scratching my head and wondering, for what? The Tucker Carlson Russian supermarket must be looking pretty good right about now.
There are massive profits to be made by financing reconstruction loans for companies building up what is destroyed.
The Gloabalist Cabal wants it to go to the very end so they can cover their asses and save as much of their assets as possible
Eighteen months ago Colonel Douglass MacGregor said BlackRock and American BigAg were already carving up Ukraine.
Has BlackRock really financed part of Ukraine in exchange for land?
Brilliant. Let those who started this war own it. Let all the little pissant psychopaths who lusted for the destruction of Russia now consume the banquet of consequences….
Agree, but in all fairness, for all intents and purposes, we (US) started this war.
The “we” Democrat/Communist/DeepState/UniParty…… The us wants to stop it now. Without us funding the Ukraine government and us supplying the weapons and targeting, this war will end quickly. Either Ukraine asks for peace or Ukraine ceases to exist.
The “we” need to face justice for killing all these people.
Brits, mainly (have wanted to divide russia for centuries)?
Brits have deliberately F’d-up their own country what do they care about one that’s 1,000 miles away! LOL
In all fairness, “We” does not include President Trump or We The People.
This war was started, funded and escalated by the UniParty Deep State in the United States, in cahoots with NATO, the EU, and the various Western intelligence agencies that specialize in “dirty deeds done dirt cheap.”
With those facts in mind, “in all fairness,” perhaps “we” is not the correct word.
Question is…”we” did not start war..correct(Uniparty did)..why “we ” did not stop it in the Feb.2025..?
Agree with you.
Except what changes it all is that Ukraine is the front/puppet for the globullusts, which is who Russia is fighting.
It IS “their fight,” and Europe’s proxy. We stop supplying information, weapons and Starlink. The EU efforts die on the vine. For all their talk about continuing, none of them can do it.
George Washington was right about “foreign entanglements.”
And John Quincy Adams said the US shouldn’t go abroad looking for monsters to slay.
And we should not allow people like Victoria Nuland anywhere near a foreign nation without supervision by qualified Americans.
Victoria Nuland….Another one that needs to be investigated.
Can you image …THORIA IN THE NIGHT GOWN answer knock on door at 4 am….????
Me thunks you could have easily ended your sentence after the word ‘anywhere’. <smiles>
we’re the monster now
The Deep State thinks we’re foreigners.
There is not one European nation richer than Mississippi.
Germany GDP = 4.66 Trillion
Mississippi GDP = $157 Billion
Tulsi has cut off the intelligence info flow regarding Ukraine to the five-eyes countries.
President Trump already said he won’t give weapons directly to Ukraine — will only sell them to the EU who can decide if they want to give the weapons they paid for to Ukraine.
As to Starlink, that likely means talking to Musk, who seems to support the Ukrainian position.
z says the ukr constitution does not allow for elections if the ukr is at war.
the ukr is at war.
How motivated is z to selflessly seek peace?
The motivation may increase,
if the sympathetic cash flow to ukr reduces.
Yet, where is the accountability of the prior cash flow$$$?
But, look at the ukr constitution again.
hmmm…
I am still amazed that “Z” is still alive. History books tell me that his countrymen should have given him the “Mussolini Treatment” long before now. 💀
There is one very obvious problem, and that problem is very obviously him. Solution: get rid of problem.
The facts have been the same for over 3 years.
The u.s. and other entities have contributed to the cause.
There have been many foreign visitors (including u.s. rep$)
to ukr over those year$$.
The facts have been the same for over 3 years.
With no accountability built into the miss $ystem, there are many benefactor$… more than z.
z says the ukr constitution does not allow for elections if the ukr is at war.
the ukr is at war.
How does someone stop the circuitous miss spending, deaths… ?
hint:
by not perpetually contributing, or benefitting, to the cause (w/c has already been occurring for 3 yrs)?
Meanwhile, after the hornets nest was wapped,
russia continues to grind away, gaining control over land.
Maybe that increases the ukr motivation to seek peace?
The amount of time and land it takes to raise the motivation to seek peace is unknown.
Then there is the ukr constitution …
imho
Constitutions are pesky things. Just ask any dem.
He’s never “in country” where they could get to him. He roams the best of Europe with a security detail.
Exactly
I have been saying that for months now. Get rid of Z and the war stops immediately.
Get rid of his CIA Employers. He’s replaceable.
He fights for their Blood Money, not for Ukrainians.
You could say the same about Soros….amazing he hasn’t met with a sudden disappearance.
He supposedly is protected by a British special unit.
You mean the Constitution he suspended?
All that sounds good, but “stepping back and doing nothing” should include no more money, weapons, advisors, etcetera, etcetera…..
THAT is what I voted for.
Have at it boys! And take the Miss Lindsays with you.
I think we are the bad guys in Ukraine. I think President Trump knows who bad guys in Ukraine are. “We” being the previously twice elected Kenyan admin. amoung others.
Money talks.
Thrice stolen Kenyan admins. Fixed it for you.
I will allow it.
“or do we do nothing, and say it’s your fight.” Hopefully that means no more financial aid or military supplies to the Ukraine honey pot or sold to the EU for use in the war!!!!
President Trump and I are seeing eye to eye on this. I have made very few comments regarding the Russia Ukraine war and the ones I have made were in the vane of “It’s not our war, it’s not our problem, it is Ukraine and europes problem”. My views have not changed one bit.
If we were to have any involvement, then put a Blue Helmet uniform on everyone in the CIA, put them on a boat and ship them to the trenches on the front lines, it’s their effing war, not mine. I can separate the CIA from the Constitutional Republic of the USA, for they do not serve the Constitution or we the people.
CIA makes us part of the problem and the solution. Cut the money, cut the info, cut the heads of traitors off. After a speedy trbunal of course, I’m not a barbarian.
The CIA serves the globalist and the New World Order meant to enslave all us peons. They are in the USA because that is where the money, technology and power is.
If they served the Constitutional Republic of the USA then thru their activities we would at least have one example of where they fostered freedom and liberty in the nations they have meddled in.
Unfortunately I am and I say “not our circus, not our monkeys.” If Victoria Nuland wants a war in Ukraine then by all means ship her over there and let her have at it.
Sent Samantha Power with her!!!
Quit funding the alphabet agencies, PERIOD!
Which is why we have to cut more from the State Department staff and budget. I never knew how pervasive they were:
USAID = CIA
USIP (United States Institute of Peace) = CIA?
State Dept = CIA (a portion of)
CIA = CIA
By his own words, if I read it correctly but this is not a direct quote, President Trump said at some point when he was with all of them Monday that they couldn’t wait as people were dying. That indicates, that is what the six headed dragon wanted to do. Now its is two weeks per se. Its a stall from all parties and President Trump needs to walk away. Put sanctions on all of them including Ukraine along with Russia. Treat them equal as warmongers. Have a good day.
Sanctions are a form of war.
and it did not work at all….
And the classic
“Thank you for your attention to this matter!”
Three days after the UK and France backed out of supplying a ‘Security Guarantee’ force.
BTW, their planned military contribution of 5% to NATO in 2030… is a circle j-rk. Why not 2026?
Tulsi Gabbard’s action here seems more indicative of a direction the US is considering, President Trump’s benign sounding comment just sounds like what we’ve all been hoping for – and the most logical exit.
It’s very simple: “Don’t tell them what we know.”
Hoo boy I don’t think the angry cokehead midget is going to like this.
The midget and his cronies won’t, but the people of Ukraine will love it.
Any decent performer knows there comes a time when you get off the stage.
He is not decent performer Billy ..have you see his virtuoso piano concerto without using his hands ?????
Which one? Z or Lindsey?
Who gives a flip what he likes or doesn’t like. Enough of him – gettemouttahere. He is not worthy of our attention. Let his people take care of him.
President Putin is looking forward to possibly mending relations with the USA under Trump, per Putin.
He also laughs at NATO Blocs for claiming Russian is going to attack them and finds it ridiculous and says they use this for an excuse because of their economic failures to soak more money from the people.
Who’s attacking? A defensive alliance would want lots and lots of neutral territory between itself and its enemy. An offensive alliance would stretch itself right up to its target’s borders. Russia isn’t blind nor stupid. And they wouldn’t just sit around waiting for NATO to attack. They sensibly struck first, just as you would do, and they have never lost the advantage. They have both the military and the general industrial capacity to fight as long as necessary, using tactics and strategy of their own choosing. Their opponents do not.
Folks tend to get quieter when I bring up NATO expansion. They still talk nonsense though.
That all seems very logical and right to me. How it comes across to the power hungry is the problem. NATO has expanded and I can prove it with easy to read color coded maps.
Two words: One World Government.
Around 2nd minute of video, President Trump – “I know exactly what I’m doing.”
I believe him.
I hope this happens. The meltdown from the EU cry babies will be fun to watch.
And where will everyone turn for a financial wash and fold?
My thought exactly. It is their fight and he can only do so much. They have to resolve it
Works for me. Shut off US funding as well though.
Sounds like its who makes the best good faith effort at a peace deal. If Russia comes to the table and its Ukraine that won’t budge, BOOM fight it out. But if Ukraine makes concessions and Russia is unreasonable, he’ll put the sanctions.
Putin has to understand what exactly “do nothing” entails.
We still have relationships with the EU, NATO, and European countries, and we have already said we will sell them all the weapons they want to buy, cash and carry. They can’t use them to attack Russia directly, because that would negate all of the US mutual defense obligations under Article 5 of the NATO treaty. They would be on their own and they know it.
However, other than not attacking Russia directly, they can do whatever they want. What they do with the weapons we sell them is a matter of supreme indifference to us. They can GIVE them all to Ukraine for all we care.
Putin has to understand this. Just because the US isn’t directly supplying guns and money to Ukraine going forward does NOT mean it’s over. Not by a LONG shot.
I expect whatever proposal 47 has already made to Putin is the best deal he will get. Same goes for Z. They sould both take it, both declare victory, and walk away.
We DON’T have to keep dumping our treasures into this sewer.
Exactly. We will get paid for them. Third shifts at all our munitions plants, and overtime on the weekends. And our European customers pay for it all.
Unfortunately, the IC has stronger ties to Five Eyes than their obedience to a transient DNI.
The Coalition of the Willing to Risk WWIII have good reason to do everything they can to continue this war as long as possible, backed up by American congresscritters and the defense industry.
With all due respect to Director Gabbard, she won’t be there forever, but the IC will. The information sharing will continue.
As for PDJT walking away and allowing Russia and the Ukes fight it out, that is exactly what everyone aligned against him wants. As long as the euroweenies can sell our weapons to the Ukes (as if that insulates us), the cocaine monkey will continue to role play as a wartime leader and disrupt peace negotiations.
Does Ukraine hae nuclear capability? I believe Putin is too smart to use it but Zelenskyy is a desperate person, in over his head. vHe is the little tinpot dictator we have always worried about when it came to nuclear weapons.
As I recall we helped dismantle all the Russian nukes based in Ukraine after the Soviet Union collapsed.
Yes, it’s the Budapest memorandum
Here’s the actual document
https://treaties.un.org/doc/Publication/UNTS/Volume%203007/Part/volume-3007-I-52241.pdf
On top of that the Clinton Administration sent Russia Billions of Dollars to employ their “nuclear technology community” in other fields of employment … that is how the Joint Space Station came about … that is why NASA now has trouble launching hobby rockets as the US used Russian assets developed with US Tax Dollars …. Russian aerospace technology in general gained while the US Space Program withered on the vine. Much of the know how gained by Russia was DIRECTLY applicable to Military Applications … ICBM’s, IRBM’s, Guidance, Hyper-sonic Vehicles, Space Based Stuff, et al
This is where and how Hillary Clinton developed such cozy relationships with the Russians.
Wonder what the Big Guy payments were at the time.
Remember when the Clintons were building a Russian Silicon Valley, Podesta was business partners with Vlad in Joule Energy, Bill was giving $half-mil speeches at Moscow Banks–talk about pinging!–and CIFIUS, the entire NAT/SEC Blob let the Empress sell a large chunk of our Uranium to Putin?
I member.
The voice of reason is beginning to become louder, and louder and LOUDER !!!!!!!!
FAFO at your peril, bank on that one.
i think it’s PT’s genius level work around to achieve plausible deniability and sever the “entanglement.”
PP has probably signaled PT that he can have this thing wrapped up in a matter of weeks –
IF unencumbered by our C👁️A.
PT then steps back, under no obligation to intervene since he has made it clear “hey, I really tried,”
and now it’s up to Russia and Ukr to resolves, whatever that looks like.
EU can chime in, but we’re out, and contributing nada to a continuing conflict.
so, C👁️A boxed out, EU boxed out, Z on his own, no recriminations for PP because it’s Z who wouldn’t negotiate.
(that giant sucking sound you hear is the C👁️A tentacles being pulled off PT and the American taxpayer.😁)
I believe President Trump has been trying to keep their war from escalating into WWIII.
Finally!
Russia keeps saying the same things but the US is not listening.
Lavrov as recently as this week again said that there will be no meeting between Zelensky and Putin until there is something to sign on that level. What would be signed at that leval is all root causes resolved. Zelensky dismissed most of those already. So: no meeting (especially not in the next 2 weeks).
Maybe because everybody can’t hear anything because the discussions about the US providing “security guarantees” is inhibiting any absorbing of facts through the ears — Incidentally, this point is another NON STARTER by word of the Kremlin. No NATO troops must be involved in any security assurance.
If people were actually listening to eachother maybe things would go somewhere.
Trump after saying Peace, peace, peace, will change to “not our problem”, then he rolls out all the times the parties balked at his overtures. Midwits will understand.
I’m saying get down in the gutter with us rubes.
Zelenskyy is not his own man either.
Yes VSGPDJT….it’s their fight war will end on battle field Russians know it..if Z/NATO/EU still do not get it it’s their problem..in the russian side is not anymore is SMO it’s WAR and they will STALINGRAD-ized them … something big going happen very soon..19 states start mobilize NG…….
Bingo!
Good I agree. Do nothing. Let them fight it out. President Trump has done all he can to help get peace with both sides that does not want peace. I agree DO NOT SHARE INTELLIGENCE with Five eyes.
One of those Eyes is the CIA.
I agree–DO NOT SHARE INTELLIGENCE WITH THE CIA!
Cactus is saying she did exactly that:
“The rest of the story:
“It is said she also blocked the USA’s CIA from the top-secret-intel ………yup, left the CIA out in the cold …..”
Be still my beating heart.
This gal wants to be President.
who knows….some ways he start me remain my favor woman in the politics Maggie T……..
Really, the ball is in their court. (Russia and Ukraine)
President Trump should not be expected to be their babysitter.
i am with Lavrov – why would they meet in person when the two teams have not already agreed to the basic terms?
Trump was given another off-ramp, he might want to take it, maybe look at the first 1 1/2 minutes of the attached, there will be no cage fight between Putin and the green T-shirt. Russia has for years now said what the conditions are. Putting a hostile ex-wife in a room with the ex-husband doesn’t work either.
…right on…
PDJT could add to ” Its their fight”, , and we are “going to audit all the money and materials to trace where it went”.
Legitimate, and illegitimate, back to Ukraine, EU, US, other countries’ politicians, companies…
There’s no way to audit the money we gave Ukraine. It’s a pit of corruption and how many US DOD auditors can read and speak Ukrainian?
Probably NONE! LOL
maybe… cottonmouth/ms linda/kellog/vindmanns ..can assist where this $$$ went…..
Don’t be so negative. Money and arms can be traced.
Five Eyes is an enemy combatant that assisted in overthrowing President Trump in 2020 and robbing the American People of our Sacred Right to Self-Government.
We bind all Tyranny over this nation and loose Your Spirit of Liberty here, by the power of the Indwelling Christ, Amen and Amen! On earth as it is in Heaven, Lord Jesus!
I still see a lot of comments saying the US should supply more lethal offensive weapons to Ukraine so they can essentially bomb Moscow. I can’t disagree with that view more. They are in denial that the war is all but over for Ukraine. IMO it’s dangerous and foolish to destabilize Russia. Also I’m not in favor of the goals of the WEF…the EU apparently is…in that context how is the EU perceived as a US ally under Trump? Ukraine could have avoided this entirely by pledging neutrality. Now they’ve lost 20% of Ukraine and 1.7 million men…and they want to double down? It’s madness.
Mistake one: You’re making sense.
Doing nothing is the best medicine if it means no more $$$ or weapons to Ukraine! Zelensky doesn’t care how many Ukrainians he kills because they are not his people!
“Doing nothing seems to indicate the U.S. withdraws all support and lets them fight to the point of defeat or surrender. Doing nothing is actually doing something quite remarkable.”
yes…they not HIS PEOPLE…never been….
Doing nothing requires us to cancel the so called rare Earth minerals deal with Ukraine. Z sold minerals he doesn’t actually even have. And it requires built in security guarantees. Why are we doing this? Russia has these minerals btw.
The Ukraine minerals deal is such a stupid idea. We are worse off for this. We want out of Ukraine totally
Trump was elected to end the Ukraine war (or at least US involvement).
We are 8 months into Trump’s second term and we are still sharing US intelligence with Ukraine. If you won’t cut off intelligence sharing, you just aren’t serious about ending the war.
VSGPDJT did realize it…. after meeting one on one with VVP…..VVP told him..I can help you… he got plenty INTEL….It’s time to fulfil what pres. Ronal W Reagan wanted to have a normal/cordial/peaceful/beneficial relationship with non-Bolshevik Orthodox Russia.. and I believe VSGPDJT work on it…there is potential good buss.deals with Russian $74 T worth natural resources……
The rare earth elements in Ukraine are so rare that nobody has ever been able to find them!
Salud Tulsi Gabbard. Regardless of the rice bowls that want to have public slapfights, I applaud Gabbard exercising her authority in putting the NOFORN handling instruction on all material related to this, WITHOUT adding REL US/UK/CAN/AUS/NZ onto the end of it. Trust isn’t going to suffer; lack of trust is the reason for the shift. Excellent move.
Let the Europeans destroy themselves, get out now plz Mr President
America should stay out of it and let Russia and Ukraine work it out.
Why do so many ignore the fact that foreign aid is Unconstitutional?
Excerpt from : https://tenthamendmentcenter.com/2021/01/06/conservative-hypocrisy-on-foreign-aid/
Foreign-aid spending is not authorized by the Constitution. Article I, Section 8, Paragraph 1 of the Constitution reads: “The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defence and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States.” Spending on foreign aid has nothing to do with providing for the common defense and general welfare of the United States. The list of powers granted to the federal government in Article I, Section 8, Paragraphs 2–18 does not include the power to take money from Americans and give it to foreign governments.
Foreign-aid spending is not a legitimate purpose of the U.S. government. The purpose of government is supposed to be to protect the lives, liberties, and property of the people who form it. Providing welfare and relief is illegitimate. And if it is illegitimate for the U.S. government to provide welfare and relief to Americans, then it is even more illegitimate for the U.S. government to provide them to foreigners.
Foreign-aid spending is not something that Americans want to spend their money on. Shouldn’t they have a say in how their tax dollars are spent? The amount of foreign assistance that has been requested for six Central Asian countries for fiscal year 2021 is:
Walk away….
Walk away from NATO too…
Watch the globalists whole world turn upside down…
The New World Order sucks….
Time to make something old new again…
The US Constitution….
Return back to …..Constitutional Republic…it has been loooong almost 155 yrs of waiting……..1871……
We can start by repealing the 16th and 17th Amendments.
This “war” was and is a money laundering scheme for US politicians, the EU and Nato. Trump should let Zelensky sink or swim on his own.
I do not approve of this first name basis in public with the president of another country especially one is important as Russia. Let’s just call him President Putin, ok president Trump?
IF we are going to do nothing, then, we do not sell arms to NATO.
I hate saying this, but it really is their fight. It’s always been someone else’s fight. And yes, I’ve studied the Holocaust and because of immigration policies, many Jews had nowhere to go and that makes me terribly upset. HOWEVER, when you’ve done all you can do to help the process, then it’s time to step back, in my opinion at this time. I’ve always been a bit of an isolationist and maybe that is wrong. I don’t know. The war needs to stop.
I think the selling of arms instead of our Congress GIVING them away on our tax dollar is a means to incentivize the Euros to quit this proxy war. They haven’t had skin in the game since WWII. It’s been all us. They don’t want to spend a dime, and that’s why they all stiff NATO. You can’t look at it as individual nations. You have to look at it as political camps within the West at large. Merz, Starmer and Macron are all in the Uniparty Bush/Obama camp. President Trump is in the Orban, AfD, LePen camp. But our Congress, unfortunately, is also in the Merz, Starmer, Macron camp.
I love how PDJT applies leverage without the ridiculous diplomat talk.
It is all about money. So, PDJT uses money as both a carrot and a stick to stop the killing.
Agree!!! Without our intelligence, weapons and cash, they will be forced to stop!!!!
Now it will be interesting to see which intelligence agencies or their operatives disobey Tulsi Gabbard’s directive.
I love how Trump plays hardball with this animals.
We all hope..hard ball games stop soon…and start real action with NG/MILITARY…. Hmphrey….
A lot of maybes.
Maybe Zed gets got.
They are not allies anymore.
Curious Cat asks, “Were they ever?”
exactly. there is a more precise term for when someone pretends to like you because you are paying them to.
😊 We are nobody’s beotch anymore