Interestingly, yesterday I posited some random thoughts about accountability on Teh Twitter, noting that a few dozen random accounts know more about Russiagate individually than any person who has ever sat in a room with President Donald Trump. [FWIW – The author of this story I’m highlighting agreed.]
Miranda Devine notes in a New York Post article (Murdoch publication), polling shows more people are following the declassification of Russiagate documents than ever before [READ HERE]. That’s both a good thing from the perspective of an enlarged awakening but also holds a serious downside if people are focused on the delivery of accountability.
The series of documents declassified by the DNI (Gabbard), CIA (Ratcliffe) and FBI (via Grassley) has not changed the arc of the story; but they have provided strong evidence to support what was already obvious.
Essentially: the Clinton Campaign and the U.S. Intelligence Community, particularly the FBI, conspired together to exonerate Clinton from her email scandal, and frame Donald Trump as a Russian asset to assist her election win in 2016.
Everyone who has walked the deep weeds of Russiagate/Spygate has essentially known this framework for seven or more years. The DNI, CIA and FBI evidence is providing receipts for the operation as it unfolded. The latest evidence has proven the conspiracy researchers accurate, and the corporate media participants who participated in the ruse are not happy.
Miranda Devine breaks down the data on who is following the story and what the releases have done to squash the defenses of those who tried to label the Clinton/FBI operation as conspiracy theory. All of this is a very positive outcome and a greater percentage of the public are now aware.
However, there’s a downside as a result of those who are new to these discoveries. Even more people are thirsting for accountability for the conduct, and those who are very familiar with the story are renewing expectations of criminal activity against the perpetrators of the fraud.
Those who carried out the operation did not leave a trail of signed documents outlining their misconduct. There is no one single element of the very complicated story that provides a ‘gotcha’ moment. Instead, there is an assembly of mounting evidence that showcases how the fraud was perpetrated. Each document release adding more layers of corruption to the pile of fraud as it was manufactured.
The Clinton campaign knew what they were creating. The Obama White House knew what was happening. The CIA could see what the Clintons and her FBI/DOJ allies were assembling, and the FBI was a willful participant. All of this is not refuted, despite the Gordion knot of plausible deniability they wrapped it in.
The problem for the Trump White House is not that Clinton and the IC collaborated to frame Donald Trump in 2016. The problem for the Trump White House in 2025, which now becomes a problem for the Dept of Justice, is that a large portion of the American public expect some form of legal accountability for it.
Absent of criminal liability, people with increased knowledge get angry at the lack of accountability. Simultaneous with this increased knowledge, people are susceptible to the influence of outrage voices amplifying the criminal accountability demand. It’s a precarious position for the White House and Dept of Justice.
If the Trump administration does not ‘punish’ the perpetrators, they run the risk of losing electoral support. However, when you look carefully at how the fraud was perpetrated, the criminal aspect is a very challenging hurdle.
The overarching defense of the perpetrators pertains to the baseline of the fraud itself, which is, essentially, that candidate, then President-elect and eventually President Trump was compromised by Russia.
The Obama White House, FBI, CIA and aggregate IC claim they were investigating whether Donald Trump and members of his administration were taking action to the benefit of a foreign adversary, Russia. Outwardly, President Obama famously warned his officials to make sure all things within their investigation were done “by the book.”
When the CIA or FBI failed to brief Trump-allied Republicans (ie. Devin Nunes), their justification is they were investigating something “sensitive” to the national security of the nation, and therefore unprecedented measures were taken.
Sure, you can argue the officials at the top of the CIA, FBI, DNI and DOJ knew Trump-Russia was nonsense, but how do you prove it… I mean, really prove it beyond a reasonable doubt. Even with the mounting declassified releases, you end up in the Horowitz/Durham conundrum, saying “they should have known.” Unfortunately, that’s not criminal.
The CIA or FBI leadership lied to congress, misled congress or were “less than fulsome’ with congressional oversight. Again, they fall back on the unprecedented approach and sensitive national security threat – that’s the shield. Yes, we did not answer the question(s) accurately -even honestly- to the U.S. govt., because we were investigating the U.S. govt.
In these matters of potential national security compromise, the CIA can easily lie to congress and then claim the lie was necessary to protect the government against the threat, and the investigation thereof. The ‘we had to lie’ scenario.
All of the players within the fraud end up carrying some form of plausible deniability, so long as the originating context for the investigation remains valid, even if it is tenuously valid. Something akin to ‘we saw Russian intel intercepts outlining a potential plan by Clinton, but there was also the potential of the Trump-Russia collusion being real’, so we had to look into it…. and we did it, “by the book” where there was no “book” to guide us.
Those legal defenses, while frustrating to accept – and almost entirely based on lies, are valid and purposeful when outlined in legal proceedings. Unfortunately, that legal defense seems to cover all of the 2015/2016 and even early 2017 participants.
Keep in mind, Inspector General Michael Horowitz conducted three investigations with only one criminal referral, Kevin Clinesmith. [(1) IG investigation of Clinton emails. (2) IG investigation of FBI conduct in Clinton investigation, and (3) IG investigation of FISA abuse (Carter Page)]. Additionally, Special Counsel John Durham investigated the origin of Trump-Russia and was never able to penetrate any of the top names for criminal accountability.
All four of these extensive investigations end up as defensive legal shields against any indictment, and the media is already using them to full value. Factually, all those previous investigations create significant “reasonable doubt.”
Intwined inside this legal Gordion knot is the problem for the current Dept of Justice.
Making matters worse still, in a little-known court filing, which has not had enough scrutiny, the President Trump DOJ told the FISA Court in July 2018 that predication for the investigation of Carter Page was valid [SEE HERE].
If the Donald Trump Dept of Justice was saying the warrant against Carter Page was legally valid in 2018, a full two years after the FBI began investigating the Trump-Russia collusion, then how can the Donald Trump 2025 Dept of Justice claim the investigation of Donald Trump was invalid.
We essentially watched any hopes for Russiagate legal liability melt as a result of that July 12, 2018, letter. Which, stands on soapbox, is exactly why I was shouting about it when the letter was finally revealed FIVE YEARS AGO.
The Trump DOJ wrote the letter to the FISA Court after Inspector General Michael Horwowitz released his highly critical investigative findings into the Carter Page FISA application. The Trump DOJ told the FISA Court that despite the information from Horowitz the application was properly predicated. THIS IS IN 2018!
Keep in mind this letter to the court was written by AAG John Demers in July 2018. Jeff Sessions was Attorney General, Rod Rosenstein was Deputy AG; Christopher Wray was FBI Director, David Bowditch is Deputy, and Dana Boente was FBI chief-legal-counsel.
[SOURCE]
As you can see, there are a myriad of defenses for the Russiagate conspirators to draw from, including defenses directly from the Trump administration. Which brings me to the final two points.
For President Trump the most dangerous part of this entire storyline is pushing an expectation that criminal indictments could be possible. Instead, the possibility of criminal accountability is almost non-existent. Expectations need to be managed. Because if people get their hopes up and then nothing happens the collapse in morale could be politically devastating.
I am open to hearing counter opinions established in solid framework; however, based on current evidence, from my perspective the only people who potentially show any signs of legal accountability are the ones who come along AFTER Robert Mueller and Andrew Weissmann begin their 2017 coverup operation.
The court of public opinion is the venue for the rest.
From Derek Johnson (Rattletrap1776)
History will account for the DASH… and that DASH will unveil the greatest Special Operation known to man.
Where’s Obama?
Where’s Hillary?
Where’s Bill?
Where’s Chelsea?
Where’s Gore?
Where’s Dubya?
Where’s Jeb?
Where’s Pelosi?
Where’s Schiff?
Where’s Jack?
Where’s Ellison?
Where’s the Democrat Rallies?
If President Trump is a:
“Threat to democracy.”
“A Dictator.”
“Violating the Constitution.”
If they are ALL FREE to roam, where are they?
Why aren’t they out rallying their infested retards who are already in the streets?
Don’t let the theatrics stop you from seeing the DASH Operation.
👉 – – –
👉 45 – – – 47 🫡♟️
Put down the hopium pipes my fellow Treepers….
The bar for proving all these seditious conspiracies and throwing the lot of them in jail is quite high.
Don’t forget… OJ walked when everyone knew he did it.
Maybe (Trump would have some luck personally in civil court. Even if Blondi mustered the chutzpah to bring a case (doubt it), Obama is covered by the Rice memo (which Sundance astutely identified multiple times over the years). The spies preserved plausible deniability.
Hope in Christ…Not the “Just Us” system.
Just indict sessions boente rosenstein wray and the rest of them as part of the conspiracy rather than defining them as “the Trump justice dept”. I mean come on, half the perpetrators worked in the Trump administration.
Working for Trump is not a shield from criminal liability. None of the old investigations present counterfactual information. They’re not in conflict, they just left out a lot of stuff.
I watched and taped every minute of that trial. You and millions of others are basing that opinion on the same legal propaganda and media as used against President. Trump.
Ron Goldman was found in the yard with his shirt up under his armpits because someone was holding him around the body and knife cuts in the soles of his shoes from kicking out a knife wielding attacker. There were two people at the scene. The glove had blood from a purple capped tube. Evidence was planted.
Did the glove fit?
OMG . Of all the things that enraged me about that trial, the glove was the absolute tops!
If the trial had happened in a midwestern, snow belt state, the glove argument would not have
swayed one. damn. person.
Anyone that has ever wore gloves out in the snow, took them in to dry on the register, then
tried to put them on afterwards would tell you that they get tight.
Blood has a lot of water in it, so the gloves would have done the same.
No one in California out with gloves on a snowy day? You can bullshit them all day long
with “If the gloves don’t fit, you must acquit”.
Spit!~ end of rant.
Well, Johnny Cochrane found out that if the brain tumor don’t fit, this life you must quit.
Obama predicate criminal act is his false SS# and Birth Cert. which totally negates his standing, so he is NOT covered by Presidential Immunity or the Rice Memo, he is simply being covered by the continuing corrupted system. Convict Hilary of Criminal Fraud – to subvert the election -( everyone wants to convict Hil-a Beast ) that conviction is then the solid foundation from which all those who acted to support her are prosecuted- ( refer the recent document dumps, etc ) and then join her on the prison barge. They are trying to paint a confusing picture for a slam-dunk criminal prosecution process – wonder why?
Sundance, there is only one way I see for charges to stick; an eyewitness.
Either a whistleblower who comes forward on their own with evidence of the conspiracy they have, OR they sweat one of the participants into giving up the others.
Yes. And squeeze the soldiers under the big names and make them squeel. Hopefully, that can take down some big name(s).
If I recall the discussion we had on Carter Page being a “foreign agent” as defined by FARA, it dealt with his involvement with the Energy Industry, as an expert and representative. He also participated in energy related symposiums in Russia. he also was tainted by contacts and 2-hop rule as well … not related to the dossier.
Also, the 2018 also fell back on the “best information” provided by familiar sources. There is a way to explain this using the exact same logic as the Obama-Clinton Gang. Unfortunately it will not expose the Obama-Clinton Gang to legal issue … but … it still leaves those who created the FALSE information used as the “predicate” exposed … the 12 July 2018 letter may not necessarily be fatal damage to the cases.
If the Trump administration did this to Obama or Biden what would happen ? Do you think the talk would be ” Accountability is unlikely” , I don’t think so .
No of course not, they’d try him in their crooked DC Courts with their complicit DC Judges and biased juries. Juries that would convict him on all counts, sentence him to hang from gallows they had specially made to ensure his neck didn’t break on the way down. The system is so far broken, I don’t know if it can even be fixed… SMH
Ok, but couldn’t we drag their asses into public hearings and force them ALL under oath to admit publicly there was no connection between Trump and Russia?
If all the evidence and irregularities that occurred in the 2020 election, but the outcome was flipped to Trump after Biden was leading. The Democrats and Media would have gone nuts. There would not just be a protest like J6, there would have been riots across the country, buildings destroyed and cops assaulted. But, to the left that would be justified-a stolen election ya know.
Indict them in Florida for the Mar A Lago raid so they have to spend their life savings on legal fees just like they did to thousands of Americans for Jan 6 and those who worked in the first Trump administration.
They definitely can’t indict them in the crooked DC Circuit. They could have full confessions from every major player along with guilty pleas from everyone involved and one of their DC Judges would toss it all out, force you to try them, so one of their biased crooked DC Juries could let them all walk!
This article makes me angry. I usually agree with you Sundance but not on this. People MUST go to jail. Or the country is lost. Will you instead seek to shame them? They have no shame. They understand only pain and force. What they did must not be tolerated. They must be punished. The punishment must be severe enough to deter such behavior in the future. Or else you might as well just quit. Oh is it difficult? Sure. Is it complex? Sure. So what.
Sure we must try but Sundance pragmatic points.
Damn right! Im with ya Slick. No crybabies! Just freakin do it! Get it done!
If it were the other way around you would hear cuffs clicking and iron doors clanking closed. So just do the same damn thing they would do.
I don’t wanna hear it’s not possible.
Trump will never be President (2016) Trump can never win again (2024)
It damn well is possible.
Lets not get out hopes up so we dont get let down again? Really???
Cmon people, snap the hell out of it!
FIGHT! FIGHT FIGHT!
I agree. For them to get away with an attempted coup is not going to be acceptable. At the least they MUST be indicted.
ALL OF THEM!
They made up a law to use against President Trump in New York and indicted and prosecuted him. Made up a lie to ransack Mar-A-Lago, to indict and prosecute. Made up a law to ruin the lives of 1500 Patriots to indict and prosecute.
They cannot walk on this treason!
I predict if DOJ lets them walk a slew of Luigi’s will rise up.
I think there’s a better opportunity of getting them on their coup that occurred during and after the 2020 Election. It’d require proving the election was stolen via a coordinated pause and ballot dump, followed by a cover up that entailed preventing Congress from investigating the irregularities and ensuring a Fedsurrection took place. It would require a full fledged investigation into who the J6 Pipebomber(s) were, how many embedded undercover federal agents were working on J6, who else knew what they had planned- Capitol police? The intelligence community? FBI? etc…
It would undoubtedly be a daunting task but once you put everything together, there’s absolutely no way any of them would have a shred of plausible deniability!!
To accomplish that you would have to go to the laws that bring up military courts, not remembering what they are right now, but you know them. If that were the case, DC could be avoided,,,Montana sounds good to me, and Wyoming.
Mar a Lago could have an opening as I think it was CNN was there before the FBI arrived…so that would indicate that there is a connection that would support conspiracy charges. Not an attorney–obviously–but have been sued a few times.
Go to jail or be hunted down. Either works.
The problem is that there has to be punishment for what they’ve done. Expecting people to ignore that they ran a multiple years long coup attempt without ANY FORM OF PUNISHMENT AT ALL is completely unacceptable. Pretending otherwise is absurd.
I agree. Somehow Giuliani & Company were able to take down FIVE MOB HEADS way back. Complicated business.
JMO.
Hmm, “Instead, the possibility of criminal accountability is almost non-existent“.
no accountability = no republic
And if nothing happens they there really are people who are above the law and any time some says “no one is above the law”you ne3d your list of Obama, Clinton, Brennon, Comey, clapper, stroke, page, Rod Rosenstein, and the rest of the gang. Either we are a country of laws or law means nothing.
I wish I had some brilliant take I could provide that would counter what Sundance efficiently laid out.
I believe our only hope for any possibility of real accountability is if DOJ can isolate the most vulnerable individual(s) who’s bona fides is beyond reproach who is willing to roll over on the lot of the corrupt leadership with enough receipts that it compels one of the big players to confess to the whole conspiracy & name all those involved. It may still not lead to criminal accountability but it will be damaging enough to the democrat party, deep state reputation & the legacies of all involved. The biggest payoff may be the awakening of the American people?
Agree, MOB. That sounds like one possibility that Bondi’s DOJ could hammer on – push very, VERY hard on “vulnerable individuals” until they start to spill everything on all the co-conspirators. Facing ten years (or more) in a very, VERY bad prison is a mighty powerful incentive on even a “tough guy”. And – do you want to rot in that prison while watching your co-conspirators laugh their way through TV interviews and get sweet book deals?
Subpoena all principals to testify before CONgress under oath. All prior liars and every person will obviously take the 5th every single time, but get them saying that a million times on camera in public. Prior liars have to plead 5th so there isn’t perjury. Big names taking the 5th will be quite revealing. It’s really the only pressure relief valve on the pressure cooker. Ozero taking the 5th would be something else.
What have we got to lose? Our government already has “no accountability “.
If this whole thing fails to hold the people who should be held accountable , accountable , than we should hold everybody who was responsible for flooding the country with millions of illegals over the last 4 years accountable because under U.S law it is a felony to help a single illegal alien enter the United States .
Put all those people away and I would bet the house Obama and Alex Soros are the ones behind it and had the illegitimate Biden administration implement it.
Don’t forget best possible case scenario is the removal of approx 800,000 illegals over Trumps term , that doesn’t even make a dent . Might as well make the people responsible for it pay dearly .
Especially myorkass. He had his self heavily involved in a NGO that was funded by USAID brining all these invaders here.
And Becerra.
We are many but do nothing, they know it. I wonder what will make man move as a whole to end the disgusting state of the world.
SD speaks the truth, who of us has seen any accountability on anything, nor will we.
Name 1 –
This is why the prosecution needs to look at “color of law” as a central theme. Yes, the defense will argue plausible deniability and reasonable doubt. The prosecution needs to focus on the fact that the government was specifically incompetent in exactly the right steps in exactly the right order to pursue an overthrow of the elected President using criminal indictments and impeachment. In fact, we have multiple coup plotters on record just prior to the release of the Mueller report predicting just that.
The other thing the prosecution can show is that this was a rolling coup. An ongoing conspiracy. Some of the very same actors who tried to frame Trump over Russia packed up shop and moved to the Ukraine hoax. Using very similar and dubious legal strategies that fell apart once the plotters were put under oath. And once again during the fraudulent Jack Smith investigations (Andrew Weissman, anyone?) where many of the same people entwined themselves in the next phase of the rolling coup.
Yes, there is some plausible deniability, but I think prosecutors overcome that by targeting the rolling coup itself, not any one event within it. And take the focus off of Obama. All Obama did was pull the trigger. The gun was loaded and pointed for him. I think that’s why we’re seeing leaks of the early 2016 intelligence the Dutch came up with – that the FBI was going to collude with Hillary Clinton to frame Trump as a Russian patsy. Go back to before the trigger was pulled.
Most Organized Crime investigations face similar problems of plausible deniability. “Why, I’m just a law abiding business owner, your honor!” They didn’t get Capone on murder, extortion, etc. They got him on tax evasion.
If you do the investigation right, maybe you don’t hang people for treason. Maybe during the investigation DOJ uncovers a money laundering scheme to pay off the coup plotters. Maybe they destroy evidence (obstruction). Maybe they didn’t claim income from those “book deals” and you get them to pay a huge fine for tax evasion. Maybe you get them on color of law.
And maybe you just harass them with grand juries for the next 3.5 years and catch them committing perjury. It’s not a small thing to get them to all admit what they did so as to avoid a perjury charge…
Anyway “deprivation of rights under color of law” I think might just handle the plausible deniability issue. Of course it looked legal. THAT WAS THE POINT. To use the patina of lawful activity to cover up criminal activity underneath.
Spot on. I posted similar down thread before reading another of your accurate posts. Make the process the punishment and you never know what you’ll find buried in a foreign bank account.
The WHOLE TRUTH of the matter is the coup they initiated back in 2015 kept going all of the way through until 2024!! The stolen 2020 Election was an extension of their original coup that was carried out by many of the same players, involving a coordinated effort to rig the election against him, cover up any attempts to investigate it by ensuring the Fedsurrection took place via their Pipebomber or the J6 Protestors with the assistance of embedded federal agents and USCP!!
Almost hard to look at Hillary?
Add puke emoji here.
The way I look at all this is everyone in the who participated in this international conspiracy to try and frame a candidate/ president committed Dereliction of Duty. I am including federal and FISA judges too because it is their job to have and use discernment in regard to what is put in front of them. It is the Judges that let this get to the level that it has. I would think Dereliction of Duty would be the easiest to prove because its definition is straight forward. It includes negligence and malfeasances and if found guilty can result in incarceration. This fabrication was hoisted upon President Trump, his friends, family, campaign staff, his appointment picks, his supporters and the country caused so much damage and that damage was intentional. I have no faith that anyone will face any serious consequences.
In that case bosenborg should be charged with treason. Hang him high.
The below is from an article back when John Durham was investigating , people really thought accountability was coming with Durham but unfortunately it didn’t because AG Barr.
Awwww… thanks for “managing our expectations” and letting us down easy. Greasing the rails for “what to expect” and it sure isn’t a heck of a lot, is it?
And by the charade that we actually had a “choice”- versus Kamala lala lala la – (really?/sarc)
President Trump was elected? or Selected?into the White House to be the voice that quiets (gags) the 2A crowd.
No one else could do it.
No one else could tell us to “sit down, shut up, nothing to see here”… quite like he can.
Obamacare is still in place.
The federal DOE disbanded and our children handed over to the states who are mostly headed by the very same crew that destroyed education in the first place… now making 50 little out-of -control cancers that will never be reigned in. It’s no surprise if you give your children over to Ceasar, they will come back little Romans.
Our children are permanently damaged by faulty vaccines and poisoned food… spectrum disorders through the roof!!! How many them won’t be able to sustain themselves in the long term? How many of us are damaged by their biological weapons?
Planned parenthood defunded… for a year. They’re just babies… you know.
Wars and rumors of wars still ongoing.
I don’t want to hear that the illegal immigrant faucet has been turned off. I want to hear the backflow… the reverse! How many are being deported??? Where are the children??? A thousand – ten thousand a day – sent packing… are not enough! But hey…we will give you some cash and parting gifts if you self-deport… unless you fold towels at the club… then you can stay. Here’s your 52 piece Ginzu knife set.
The perpetrators walk free… yet the slaves are still in bondage.
So thankful we have “representation” and we don’t need those pesky Constitutional rights that just… you know…. get in the way.
So much easier for artificial intelligence to live our lives for us. Who needs the illusion of “choice”?
Hope those who hold Palantir stock are making a killing. Maybe you can, too, be the next George or Alex Soros someday.
I can tell how worried the rats are. They’re just biding their time. Swimming like sharks just under the water… but even bothering to campaign or publicly speak… just biding the time for Vivek Ramaswam(p)y to take Ohio and Vance to step into his hillbilly deplorable… brought to you by the LGBxyz Peter Thiel.
Kamala announced that while she’s not running for California governor… that her future power won’t come from “election”… always important to listen to how the words are put
together… for the REAL message.
Bet your bottom dollar… as in… your very last dollar… they’ll come after us with a vengeance the minute they put their figurehead in power again… but don’t we know??? They always stayed in power…. in the first place.
They are the UNIparty.
We have NO REPRESENTATION. They are not beholden to the same life conditions we are. Not with their multiple mansions, private islands, and jet sets. Why fix anything if it doesn’t directly enhance their life and livelihood. How much power can one person have?
Only God KNOWS the condition of men’s hearts and He Will Have Final Say.
Completely disenchanted and disenfranchised. Liars and cheaters… all of them.
The man is worth gabillions and I still sent him my last $20 in cash… because I felt God could multiply it for good.
the devil is the American government.
I feel like I just bought snake oil.
I agree with all you say but we need to trust in Christ! And move on!
I think we need to try to fix what we can and ignore what we can’t fix , and have wisdom to know the difference! Peace be with you
Let’s not forget about the “burn bags” that were discovered. Not only have the contents not been fully released, there are greater implications with this newly found revelation. From Jeff Childers from Coffee & Covid’s August 1st post “Thinkable” regarding this discovery, in part:
“…One of the most salacious and intriguing facts appeared in the Fox story. It described how Kash Patel found loads of incriminating, top-secret RussiaGate documents stuffed into burn bags in an unrelated SCIF (a secured information storage area). In other words, the documents were supposed to have been destroyed— including Durham’s classified annex.
Tellingly, it did not say when Kash found the bags. That Fox story could have been pre-written weeks ago.
These kinds of facts light up my lawyer’s mental dashboard. The implications are astounding. And it is terrible news, both for Democrats and (obviously) the RussiaGate conspirators.
First, consider what it means that someone secured those bags and prevented their destruction. Only a very small number of people knew the documents existed— perhaps fewer than a dozen. Of those, even fewer could have known about the destruction plan.
In other words —better sit down for this— sometime after Durham issued his report, the conspirators decided to destroy the evidence, but one of the key players thwarted the plan and hid the bags for some reason. Maybe for self-preservation, maybe for blackmail, or maybe for another reason. I’ll get to it.
Second, Kash obviously knew where to find them. It defies logic that he could have conducted a top-to-bottom sweep of the vast Hoover building and randomly found some stray burn bags in a dusty SCIF on the 11th floor. No. Somebody must have told him where they were.
The most probable conclusion from these facts is that one of the key conspirators is cooperating. Which means they have everything.
If I can see this, it means the conspirators can surely see it, too. Which means they can’t talk to each other anymore; it’s not safe. They don’t know who’s talking, and they know the DOJ has enough evidence to get FISA warrants to monitor their comms. So the conspiracy has collapsed; the center could not hold.
It’s every man for himself now.”
Is it possible that there IS proof to be found from this?
Typically, a ‘fired’ employee is approached and escorted out of the premises as a mtter of protocol without notice. It could be that the burn bags were kept hidden and left waiting for a decision or opportunity to slip them in the processing system, and a scaliwag was riffed out of the building without being able to finish the job? Timing is everything….
That doesn’t explain how Kash so conveniently found them.
Jeff Childers is, IMO, the only other conservative strategic analyst blogging today who is on the same level as Sundance. “Coffee & Covid” is a daily must-read.
My counter point SD is one you have raised many times: the process is the punishment. Use the slow grinding wheels of justice to make their lives miserable, ruin their reputation and financial status. Hey, maybe we win a couple victories along the way. You never know. Or watch them to commit a process crime. Make it painful and public.
You need to be ready to fight by their rules. Endless depositions, pre-dawn raids, use of jail time (solitary) on every underling that might have info. J6 should be the guide. Playing nice doesn’t work anymore.
God’s in Control!! One request. Let God return to all public places. Ten Commandments!!! A good startvto get rid of evil!! ..democrats
I believe there are at least three names, that are pivotal in this equation, that are a key to show malice aforethought: Peter Strok, Lisa Page, Andy McCabe.
Peter Strok was nice enough to memorialize this in his text to his side piece Lisa Page; “Please tell me he’s not ever going to be president.” “We have an insurance policy in that event.”
Not exactly. Just as a jury can “nullify” a prosecution they disagree with, they can find guilt in a prosecution they agree with even with shaky evidence. It comes down to the composition and character of the jury.
maybe a ‘technicality’, but if the validity of PAGE as the target was predicated on him NOT being a CIA asset as falsely affirmatively represented to Collyer and the FIS Court, it could be argued the warrant would not have been granted predicated on Page without more investigation and followup by the FISA court and its staff.
That is where I go back to. A lot of people are involved in that one. Grab Warner and many others.
might even be able to grab Boasberg. If I added “NOT” to reversely falsify a representation to a secret Star Chamber court which has a special responsibility because the defendant is not represented, the sanction punishment would be catastrophic. The Boasberg FISA Court completely failed its duty to protect the legitimacy of its proceedings in its Clinesmith. sanction for falsifying evidence to support the Page warrant. There is likely much more to that story.
How did they prove it, really prove it, when they went after Nixon? Enough with the “we need video with high definition close up footage of Hillary and her cabal plunging the knife into the throat of President Trump again and again with everyone getting their turn.”
Hate to see the conspirators skate away on legal technicalities while giving MAGA the finger. Hate to see them on their complicit media puppets’ shows gloating that “we’re too big to touch”. Hate to see the deep state finally on trial, and walk away scott-free with smiles all around.
Maybe it won’t turn out that way. This isn’t fairy tale land, but I can at least hope someone gets more punishment than a frown from the losing prosecution.
How about issuing pardons? Yes, it sucks.
It really really sucks and leaves a bad taste just thinking about having to let go those that have so damaged our system with their unchecked abuse of power, entitled arrogance and narcissism.
BUT… at least then the narrative is flipped. End result was going to be same (no accountability) however now the outrage is mitigated and rather than a morale drop, the crimes committed are “acknowledged” as having occurred but President Trump is being the bigger man, even Christian in forgiving those that tried to jail him / end political career / paint as traitor.
Might even flip the conversation into a “how do we prevent this from happening again” moment that might actual drive better electoral victories and larger majority. Dare I even dream of shuttering of national security state? The rally can be “Repeal the Patriot Act” or “Never Again” with the picture of the despicable communists at the beginning of this article.
They don’t even have to accept the pardons, legacy media will blab about it being performative and maybe some truth to that… but overall the public acceptance of what DID occur is greater yet the outcry for accountability is mitigated. They’ll be qualms about how turning the other cheek doesn’t prevent one from getting hit again, hence the push to pull back the IC unchecked power that was abused can be the relieve valve rather than the individuals that abused those tools.
I can almost imagine President Trump signing Zero’s pardon in a big way- “Many told me I shouldn’t do it, why let these bad guys go? But its tearing our country apart I said, we have to repair the damage they’ve done” and so on.
Just an idea.
And the pardons can list it all out “Comey/Yates/McCord/Brennan/Clapper/Ohr/Strzok/Hillary/Zero/Lynch etc… are herby pardoned for their TREASON”
I would take some solace then that at least in the history books there will be some attribution. More I think on it, while no indictments or convictions made, President Trump issuing preemptive pardons might just be the only way we can get some form of …. peace? (certainly not justice) but a path forward out this mess.
NO PARDONS!
Alternative is they get away with it all and we are stuck arguing with ourselves about plausible deniabilty, intentionality and obscure findings of immunity.
Say we do get indictment… think the judiciary is going to play it straight? Dimissed with prejudice: some DC Obama judge will cite as wild conspiracy theories are above the court or some nonsense. Lactches and no standing and whatnot. Or going to trial in DC? Think that 96% blue and federal employee workforce is going to be neutral jury?
Ragebait I think is the strategy for us to lose the midterms, 2028 and the GOP realignment. MAGA base is divided and pushed aside as uniparty settles back in.
I would rather we own the narrative. Get to brand them as seditious, but for good of country moving on and removing those tools from being abused again.
There can be no justice without punishment!
This may be relevant in far as it throws shade on the accuracy of the DOJ letter to the FISA court.
The Justice Dept appears to have been unaware of the fraud committed at the time of the letter. It only surfaced nearly 18mths later.
The falsification of the email by Kevin Clinesmith was first discovered by the Justice Department’s Inspector General, Michael Horowitz, in 2019. The exact date isn’t specified in the available information, but it was noted in a December 2019 report by Horowitz, which detailed errors and omissions in the FBI’s handling of the Carter Page wiretap applications during the Crossfire Hurricane investigation.
The whole problem would disappear if parliament claims and exerts its rightful elected authority over the unelected public service, including parliament’s right to know everything from the ‘security’ sections.
To do that, there has to be a debunking of the idea that the sky will fall down if the people know more about security actions and so called threats.
Do not allow them to lord it over the elected parliaments by using fear. Bell the cats.
The American people don’t want to fight anyone, do they?
The Russian people don’t either, nor the Chinese.
The threats are man made at the top of all governments, by Lindsay Graham types, and the security forces such as cia fbi etc.
Those bombings were known people and should have been stopped.
Just have them testify in great detail.
If they lie, they perjure themselves.
If they tell the truth, they will have to admit their actions which will show their corruption or at least gross incompetence.
Joe diGenova is reporting that the grand jury being impaneled is going to be in Miami, not DC.
Hope he’s right.
How about arresting all the news proprietors and reporters who were in on the conspirancy because they ALL knew it was bs and went along with it. The tree of justice needs to be shaken hard. America has been in an insurrection and civil war since Trump was elected.
SD The new note revealed by Tulsi that Obama knew that Russia did not favor President Trump but still instructed his underlings to manufacture that premise and include it in an official report was NOT ever revealed to any investigators before. This may be one of the many new pieces of intelligence that people like Rubio never had when they made there previous assessment.
You know more than me SD but this sounds like a potential opening to prosecution.
Not how we want it to be, but how it is. Thank you Sundance.
@Sundance
How did Anthony Weiner’s laptop fit in to all this?
Why did Comey even mention it unless his FBI sham 2-day scouring of the laptop was also to cover up something?
I will wait, I agree, as it stands, plausible deniability is on the table. There is a point where that wears thin to a court or a jury.
I did not realy steal the guys wallet it was sticking out of his pocket so i grabbed it before it hit the ground. when i looked up he was gone so i use his credit card to buy cash cards so that his CC company would call him and then he would know to look for his wallet.
I am also hopeful there is more coming, The desire of Facists to keep careul records of their actions is legendary. They beleive they will write the histories and they want to make sure they get credit. I will Guarantee that their are scribbled notes and memos to self detailing out the plots and plans of coconspirators throughout DC Find it they all go to jail.
One thing that confuses me is why because it is “Trumps” Doj would we automatically assume it is some how powerful evidence and credible. The DOJ is and was a leviathon it never was under Trumps control, it resisted Trumps control. To give this communication anything more then a continuation of an ongoing conspiracy doesnt make sense to me
Let Justice be done, though the Heavens may fall! Push on with indictments and let the chips fall where they may.
The coup plotters tried to end the American experiment in Constitutional government of the People, for the People, by the People; and replace it with their rule of absolute power. If the American People give up on the pursuit of justice and abandon the idea that their vote matters, then the coup plotters will have won. Our Constitutional Republic will be fully dead. This cannot be allowed to just happen without a fight.
Justice must be done. It must be seen to be done.
The Justice we want is not guaranteed. Perhaps it is not likely. But Justice may come in many forms.
Yes the hardcore Leftists will ignore the evidence or make excuses to justify the crimes. Yes the media will spin and hide the truth to defend their allies and to hide their own complicity. But as more and more information comes out over time the denials will be harder and harder to maintain. The tide will gradually turn. If nothing else the old-line Leftists will begin to die off.
Even if it takes a generation to pass before most of the American public acknowledges that a coup attempt happened but was ultimately defeated, it must be done.
Yeah, half of the people paying attention are Commie Democrats.
In my view this is already taking up too much of our time. And attention. Yes I believe russiagate in first 2 yrs of trumps first term was a hoax and the impeachment effort in third yr was a hoax and the pandemic may have been an illicit scheme to bring down trump economy in 4th yr.
There were so many crooks and criminals especially Obama and I hated what they did to trump
But …. accountability and payback looks backward and I want focus on future!
Yes I hope trump gets some vindication for what he endured and I hope he feels some of the revelations clear his reputation among those who accused him unfairly and yes I think 2020 election was Stolen and yes the mar-a-lago raid was outrageous and yes i feel it would be great to clean up some of the corruption
But enough already!
There are too many current urgent domestic and foreign issues to focus on today! I am already sick of hearing about the past! Sick of hearing about Obama gate, I am sick of hearing about the Obama, Biden , soros, Epstein and FBI crooks of the past!
I think We need to move on
The folks you named in your penultimate paragraph are like fire ants: If their colony is not crushed out of existence, they will multiply and continue to infest us into that future you so want to focus on.
Does the fact Trump’s Truth Social account keeps making posts of Trump being Q or Q+ play into this?
I.e. if the Q operation was a military operation and Trump was selected to play the role he is playing then is it not possible this has been planned for many years?
Why is Trump’s Truth Social account posting claims that he is Q or Q+?
Not once. But many times now. Is there not at least a glimmer of hope for that angle? I.e. the Continuity of Government established in Dec 2019 partially revoked on Biden’s last day Jan 19, 2025? The still Federalized National Guard that were at the polls for the first time in history 2018 and 2020? I.e. possible that the military has evidence of the stolen election that will come out later?
What about the evidence that Covid-19 was created by the US Gov and transferred to the Wuhan lab to blame on the Chinese and that this virus was released in furtherance of the Coup?
If that angle is proven true with evidence those are international crimes against humanity.
Is all of the above true and provable? No idea. But there should at least be hope.
The Dutch have those same hopes. The Dutch gentleman attempting to prosecute Fauci for crimes against humanity was just imprisoned. So.
I do not have the knowledge required with the detailes available, but, a un-noteworthy legal action taken against a lower ranking individual, which then necessitates have the Leading Aggressors called to testify might be a way of tripping up one or more of them. Not at all sure how that could be initiated, but would take someone highly skilled,,,like Sundance.
Sundance, Why do you always depress the hell out of me.
Legally and logically, Sundance is correct.
However, When we apply standards of Morality and Eternal Truth to the matter, we see the indefensible injustice that it is…
This is why people take matters into their own hands…
The correct answers are not always found in a courtroom… when you go to court, you get the law…
We strive for a just rule of law, but sometimes the laws are inadequate and WRONG.
You prove it all by detailing every act of “consciousness of guilt.”
The list is frikkin endless.
Good catch. These are the people who, after all, took the concept of criminal *intent* to a whole nother level. Every thread of their numerous coverup activities can be woven into a fine noose by which to hang these TREASONOUS CO-CONSPIRATORS.
Lets just get the BLUF (Botton-Line-Up-First): Even with fresh polling pressure and a new grand-jury referral, the glide-path laid out by existing precedent, statutes of limitation and the results of earlier probes makes anything beyond a handful of low-level or “process-crime” prosecutions highly unlikely. For the many officials, contractors or journalists who unwittingly moved the Russia-gate narrative, the most probable consequences are (1) reputational harm and (2) possible civil liability—not jail.
Black-letter law that has to be overcome:
. False statements on FISA filings 18 U.S.C. § 1001; Need proof defendants knew claims were false and intended to deceive; good-faith “national-security” defense limitation clock is 5 yrs from act (§ 3282) Congress.gov.
. Conspiracy to defraud the U.S.; 18 U.S.C. § 371; Must show at least one overt act + corrupt intent; defense can argue investigation was legitimate; 5 yrs from last overt act (continuing-offense rule) Department of Justice
. Deprivation of rights “under color of law”; 18 U.S.C. § 242; Rarely used against federal officials; requires willful intent to violate clear constitutional right; 5 yrs (unless bodily injury, then 7)
. Seditious conspiracy; 18 U.S.C. § 2384; Very high mens-rea bar (“force”), normally reserved for J6/Oath-Keepers-style cases
5 yrs (10 if terrorism) Legal Information Institute; Most pivotal events happened 2016-17; the clock on ordinary offenses expires between now and early 2027 unless tolling can be shown.
Recent precedent tells the story:
Case / Episode / Result / Lesson for Russiagate
Kevin Clinesmith – altered e-mail in Carter Page FISA (2020) / Guilty plea of 12 months’ probation, no jail Axios / Even a clear, documented falsification drew minimal punishment.
Durham special-counsel probe(2019-23)
2 trial acquittals, 1 Clinesmith plea / report scolds FBI but no high-level charges Politico /DOJ juries are skeptical, and plausible-deniability defenses work.
Carter Page civil suits (2020-24) / All dismissed on immunity / pleading grounds Politico / Civil redress is difficult even for the main target of surveillance.
Strzok & Page Privacy-Act suits / DOJ paid$1.2 M to settle privacy claims Politico / Monetary settlements (taxpayer-funded) are likelier than convictions.
The new Bondi grand jury: what could still happen???
Florida-based AG Pam Bondi has reportedly tasked a prosecutor to present the declassified file set to a grand jury.
Reform & oversight tools that are realistic:
Take-away
Unless Bondi’s grand jury uncovers a new, document-backed overt act within the last five years, the historical pattern (Clinesmith probation; Durham fizzles) and basic statutes all point toward:
For those who pushed the narrative without realizing it was false, that “shame” the article mentions is, realistically, the maximum legal exposure they are likely to face—alongside the risk of getting sued or disciplined if they repeated provable falsehoods about specific individuals.