Again, 1/2 the democrats do not care what the democrat/deep stat did to Trump. The other half of the democrats aren’t paying attention to this story simply because their media keeps them uninformed. However, they won’t be able to ignore indictments and prison terms.

If “The People” truly do want that accountability, then there is no harm in my view of trying to give it to them. When the Deep State continues to defy accountability, call it out and let the people see it and get angrier. They should be. In the meantime, punish them all with process. What’s good for the goose and all…

I sincerely hope that they have more than what we have seen made public thus far.

If DOJ pulls the trigger and can’t make the case…………..

Grand jury indictments with subsequent matching pardons would have been OK with me–just to make a record/make a point/set a precedent–but I accept/agree that the unscrupulous were very scrupulous about their personal excuses/deniability.

Even the 52 intelligence and former intelligence “experts” never said what almost all the media said they did (regarding Hunter’s laptop). They and the media know how to play the propaganda game while skirting all liability.

A good, public, formally presented recap/expose from someone in the administration, which could even include points regarding reasons for non-prosecution, might even be useful at some point.

I would like to see more action on exposing/eliminating continuing FISA abuse, and maybe more importantly, non-FISA NSA database abuse.

Eric Daugherty
@EricLDaugh
https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/16.0.1/svg/1f6a8.svg BREAKING: A grand jury has just been ordered to investigate the Trump-Russia Collussion Obama Deep Staters.

Criminal indictments possible. 

They are using Tulsi Gabbard’s files.

Then there is nothing that will stop it from happening in the future.
If a lie (that is known to be a lie) can be allowed to led to all the actions that followed, and no one can be held accountable, then the truth is just to keep us informed of what we already know.

Seems like this is getting way too many what-ifs in advance.

Make the case to the public, as they’re doing now. During that time, have the best legal minds strategizing legal strategy.

When the strategy is ready, and the case has been made to the public, indict, try, convict, and sentence.

Over-thinking, over-what-iffing, trying to play 18 moves ahead, risks missing the strike while the iron is hot.

This will be nothing but another dog & pony show.
When do we see people like these get prosecuted, we DON’T!

“There is no one single element of the very complicated story that provides a ‘gotcha’ moment.”

The flaw in this argument is that there is much evidence of a years-long conspiracy emanating from the President on down to the DOJ, FBI, NSA, and other agencies to bring down Trump, both as President and then as private citizen Trump. That conspiracy is continuing to this very day.

Conspiracy against rights. 18 U.S.C. § 241.

This statute prohibits two or more persons from conspiring to injure, oppress, threaten, or intimidate any person in the free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege secured to them by the Constitution or laws of the United States, or because of their having exercised such a right. It is a felony punishable by a fine or imprisonment of up to ten years.

Not that this is going to be the outcome, but it is no less plausible than your scenario.

what about the congress critters who also went along with fraud / obstructed oversight

It’s got to come down to CIVIL suit, conspiracy to deprive DJT of his civil rights (preponderance of evidence, not irrefutable proof), with the goal of bankrupting all of them.
Start w. Hillary cover up, the Mueller shenanigans, Mara Lago, ALL OF IT — RICO the entire lot of them and start sending out subpoenas for document preservation.

Already deleted your phones by entering wrong password too many times?
Already wiped your hard drive “like with a cloth” ?
Already lied to Congress ?
Already falsified a FISA ?
Already said your actions were an insurance policy ?
Already gave your husband information to backdoor into an investigation?

Much like OJ — if it LOOKS shady, thats good enough. I’m thinking CBS & ABC were DJT just getting warmed up.

If they’re going to release everything, I think they need to release the information which contained the sufficient predication for the court? And, the target (agent of a foreign power) referred to in the letter was Carter Page. We already know that they lied about Carter Page and Kevin Clinesmith was found guilty of falsifying the document. Seems easy to bat this one away.

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A few points.

Multifarious crimes. Multiple conspiracies too. “Everyone” doesn’t have to be indicted for “everything” in one ridiculously monstrous overarching legal case.

Re documentary evidence. Usually, the peons get indicted or just threatened first, so that they can flip. Witness testimony fills in the documentary evidence trail (which most criminals don’t leave.)

Re Carter Page. Page was not Donald Trump or his campaign organization, and there is evidence that he deliberately was installed into the campaign for the purpose of “being investigated”. And other, which I won’t go into. Whether a conspiracy existed/s doesn’t hinge on Carter Page.

(And by the way Obama is not “in the clear”. If he thinks so, then let him litigate that. The Supreme Court did not recognize “immunity” for ultra vires acts, and clearly said so. Media pundits, including “legal experts” who keep yammering this makes me think of the truism that if you repeat a lie often enough it becomes accepted as the truth.)

Let’s just keep amplifying the known facts (not “opinions”), and see. Calmly and deliberately and purposefully, without speculations about how this or that one is going to “defend”, without unreasonable demands, without either optimism or “doom and gloom”, and without taking to heart the opining by a vast field of agenda’d media and air fillers (on all sides) who themselves have no special insider knowledge or crystal balls. Lawsuits require a lot of work, and it’s work that is best just done methodically and unemotionally.

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My only hope, seriously, is that their reputations are irreparably harmed and they no longer work in government, inside government contractors, in the legal or political field, or receive any government funds via a “charitable” foundation/NGO or otherwise. As we often said, “the process is the punishment”.

I know, that if I had done anything even close to what they did, I would be in jail. So, I understand the sentiment, but it’s not going to happen. The “protected class” are all in cahoots with one another. The evil and rot is widespread. I don’t want to spend a decade or more “investigating” their B.S. I can leave it to God to sort out.

why not locate some convenient windows in high rises

I have to disagree Sundance respectfully

This website is the evidence

But isn’t there value in the country learning that we’re being run by criminals that will never face justice for what they’ve done? There is value, I think, in waking people up to that reality.

Well, to me, this is just one of many examples of problems in Federal Government. There is definitely evidence of corruption leading all the way to the highest level of our government.

Will they actually be held accountable and prosecuted as a regular citizen would be- doubtful, which is another example of corruption.

Our elections have been corrupted and our elected officials and courts don’t seem to care. Another example. They won’t even investigate.

Congressional officials are getting wealthy with insider trading plus other methods, but no one seems to be interested-that’s just the way it is.

We get involved in foreign wars with misinformation and propaganda, but nobody cares except our Military Industrial Complex and their supporters who get wealthy.

There are so many examples and the Russia Collusion example is just one.

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A very depressing analysis,,,but,’bout what I figured. I know there sorry -s-ed liars, guilty as sin,, you know it,,,they know it,,-ell,, everybody knows it!! Every single one of these chumps will walk,,,kinda gives credence to the two tier legal system,, doesn’t it??

If the Grand Jury is convened in DC, the outcome is already fixed.

If no known named elected official that participated in this bs is never held accountable for illegal activity they knowingly participated in then what is the point of paying attention to politics?

What ‘the people’ want will most likely be ignored so why bother with any of them?

Yet we are suppose to gleefully fork over tax dollars so these criminal grifters can piss away millions of our hard earned tax dollars so they can pay some wanna-be fiction writer to have AI create some nonsense that the MSM pitches to us sheep as fact as they attempt to manipulate the system.

Utter madness.

And today on tweeter Quiver Quantium posted Nancy Pelosi is up $2M in the stock market today per their estimates.
Meanwhile many still struggle to pay for a damn carton of eggs. 🤮

I recall reading that Seth Rich may have been murdered because he may have been able to disprove Hillary Clinton’s assertion that the DNC emails were hacked by the Russians.

I also recall reading that Donna Brazile became very concerned, following his death amid suggestions that John Podesta had demanded severe penalties for any suspected leaker.

Whether or not these allegations had any basis in truth is conjecture.

Perhaps more detailed investigation of the circumstances of the murder of Seth Rich could result in additional evidence and perhaps some of the people involved include people who undoubtedly participated in the conspiracy to subvert the lawfully elected president, even if Seth Rich’s murder was not directly related to the coup.

There was an occasion many years ago, when a simple drug arrest led to the exposure of a massive arms and drugs trafficking operation which involved criminal groups and several intelligence agencies, laundering their money through banks from countries with diametrically opposed ideologies and religions.

This is why the DNC/DCCC “hacking” is such a powerfully guarded third rail. If it was exposed with detailed technical info on how it was a hoax, then criminal accountability could flow from it. I think there are other similar events out there that are part of the Russia hoax story but haven’t and probably will not be authoritatively investigated. Any of these I think could get past the plausible deniability.
– Who was Guccifer 2.0? Elon Musk’s X would have all the account’s DMs and logins. Anyone look?
– It’s been claimed John Brennan took info from CIA’s servers and moved them to separate ones maintained by the NSA. Anyone look?
– the DNC/DCCC hack we are to believe was real even though it was one of three known efforts by Sussmann to tie Trump to Russia, the other two being clearly untrue (Alfa Bank and Yotta phones hoaxes).
– how did Ferrante get right back into the White House after being kicked out?
– where are the tasking communications for Mifsud, Halper, et al? Anyone look?
– data for the the DOJ wiped phones by Weissmann et al would presumably be still available at the NSA. Anyone look?

“.. I am open to hearing counter opinions established in solid framework…”

For several years now we have seen Trump supporters thrown in jail on the most spurious of legal grounds. We have seen Trump himself made, legally, a “convicted felon” in a Soviet-style show trial.

Using the legal framework employed against Trump and his associated, it’s trivially obvious that Clapper, Brennan and the rest should spend decades behind bars.

The obstacle is not the lack of laws or legal framework or solid evidence. The obstacle is that the most crooked and corrupt part of our three branches of government is the judiciary … as can be seen in the endless parade of absurd injunctions against Trumps policies being written almost daily by the nations federal “judges”. Those crooked judges knew that the FBI and CIA were breaking the law to frame Trump, and they eagerly cooperated in the crime.

THAT is the problem here. It is not that some individuals in the Obama administration broke the law, though that of course happened. The problem, and it transcends mere legality, is that their criminal endeavor had the backing of virtually everyone in DC. That includes Chief Justice John Roberts, Senate Majority Leader McConnell, and House Speaker Paul Ryan.

Ultimately this is a political problem, not a legal one. Our government is fundamentally corrupt and lawless. That is not something which can be fixed by that same corrupt government conducting trials or other legalistic maneuvers. It requires the American people to start replacing their elected “representatives” (who clearly do not represent them) with people who are somewhat less odious.

I disagree. Brennan and Clapper wouldnt be lawyering up if there was no criminal .case able to be mounted. The “national security” shield falls apart when the question is asked “what natiinal security concern was there when the FBI leaked what they knew was a garbage dossier to the media to get an investigation and media narrative going?”. They cant defend it and when men like Papadopoulos, Flynn, Stone had lives and careers destroyed by investigations based on false premises they are legally culpable.

Written evidence can be plain as day, but it can also be very dry, especially if voluminous – which this undoubtedly is.

It will take testimony from credible whistleblowers to actually make a case stick. We’ve read there are many, lets hope they live to tell what they know.

This is the most important kind of Truth. The kind that no one really wants to acknowledge or accept. With regard to the whole shebang, knowing it and proving it are two very different things, my dad used to always say.

We all know it, but no one inside govt is going to prove it.

I’m with you, Sundance. I am fatigued from the permanent outrage demands for vague something needs to.. or silly stuff like military tribunals.

Likewise I no longer feel the need to educate the willfully ignorant, nor change belligerent minds. For they can sit in their outrage addiction or fantasy land. I’m off to living my best, what is left of my life and knowing that as with all of us eventually, The Lord will deal with the true punishment deserved.

Ok, if their defence rests on the fact that they were investigating an unprecedented security threat, where’s the evidence of what they were investigating? Why raid Mar-a-Lago if they knew their defence was watertight. Why did Trump publicly accused Obama of treason, if he knew it would just depress his electoral support, by raising expectations that couldn’t be satisfied.

My bet is Ed Martin is the guy connecting Crossfire Hurricane with Jan 6 which was an insurrection but played by the left.

And by connecting the “get Trump” criminal conspiracy players from 2016-2020 to the continuation on this coup with Jan 6 to present will eliminate the statue of limitations.

The criminal conspiracy has been going on for 9 years now.

Ed IMO is the guy who has been working behind the scenes in quiet and may end up being the guy presenting before the Grand Jury.

Mail fraud and wire fraud are relatively broad, together with ongoing conspiracy statutes to extend statutes of limitation. Obstruction of justice by hiding evidence (from Congress, the Inspector General, even FOIA as an approach) has apparently continued until recently, with the announcement of hidden room, burn bags, and intentional unsearchability. I don’t think ‘national security’ would apply to hiding evidence from the IG, or Congress. And the evidence withheld would have to be proven to be extremely ‘secret’ and harmful to the nation to justify lying, which will likely be overcome if at least some of these materials are released to the public. And the denial of rights under color of law and fraudulent government services are very broad and likely applicable to perps using their government positions. Even erasing of government phones en masse and destruction of hillary’s records while under subpoena are easily proven, and can be presented as part of a continuing conspiracy. There must be much more in the records. The problem will be narrowing it down to an understandable story (or as an almost always-winning trial attorney told me, ‘get it down to gingersnaps’ for the jury)..

Thank you, Sundance. A dose of reality is welcome.

As much as I wish there could be accountability, there will be no criminal action for these individuals. The system is designed to protect these actors from any personal or professional harm. There will be no jail. Unlike Cersei Lannister, there will be no walk of shame or public scorn. They live in a world designed to avoid responsibility.

And just as the Capitol in the Hunger Games, Washington, D.C., sits at the top of a system built on separation of powers and checks and balances. But in reality, many of the most consequential decisions escape real accountability. Congress writes and votes on legislation, yet lobbyists shape much of what lands on lawmakers’ desks. The president signs or vetoes those laws, commands the armed forces, and issues executive orders; at every turn, enforcement agencies answer only to the political leadership that put them in place. Any independent investigation by inspectors general, ethics committees, or special counsels relies on the very institutions whose misconduct it might expose.

When policies lead to questionable wars, mass surveillance programs, or regulatory failures, there’s rarely a courtroom where lawmakers or agency heads face penalties. Votes of censure in Congress carry no legal bite. Inspectors general can issue reports full of damning detail and still see few resignations or prosecutions. Even the Supreme Court often waits years to rule on executive overreach, long after decisions have reshaped lives and budgets.

Critics argue that meaningful accountability exists only when voters oust incumbents or when whistleblowers force headlines. Still, those mechanisms depend on public attention cycles and party politics rather than objective justice. Others point out that oversight hearings, grand jury investigations, and inspector-general probes do occasionally lead to indictments. Still, as we saw with Klinesmith, that is usually against lower-level staffers while top officials shrug off subpoenas or invoke privilege to stall inquiries.

The only hope for real reckoning comes when administrations change and new leaders pledge reform. Unfortunately, even then, most of the old decisions remain in place, and few individuals ever bear personal responsibility.

In Washington, accountability isn’t delivered by a judge’s gavel, the next election, or by history’s judgment as administrations rise and fall. It just goes unanswered, like a distant foghorn echoing across an open ocean.

I don’t focus on accountability.
We will not have that in this life.

What we are getting, is exposure.
We are getting educated about the very rotten under belly of the Deep State.
They got arrogant and sloppy.
Evil always does.

Leave the retribution to God.

Educate yourself and those around you about the methods, and especially the motives, of our enemy.

Let’s not get lazy, let’s try to prevent this particular method of betrayal from happening again.

If they want to ruin this nation, make them work for it.

If all of these traitors can NEVER be criminally prosecuted for what they did, the structure and legal system of the United States is NO GOOD ! This nation cannot continue when such a vast coup cannot be stopped and ALL the perpetrators cannot be imprisoned. The scoundrels will be emboldened and will redouble their treason. This is a green light for far worse conduct beyond what has already taken place. Such legal impotency BEGS FOR VIGILANTE JUSTICE which could lead to all-out civil war.

I do agree if the Trump administration cannot bring justice in this matter, the Trump presidency becomes a hopeless mess and loses all value to decent and patriotic Americans. Future elections will mean nothing.

this is why I have been saying if you want justice, better be ready to dish it out 1776 style. ‘cuz otherwise, you’re shit out of luck. might as well stfu and keep it to yourself.

It is simply too much to put the responsibilty of an entire supposedly self governing people on the backs of so few.

Apparently the doj strike force…
is assembling a grand jury….

Not sure, what about. ; )

per Christina Bobb on war room 8/4/2025, 5 pm ct

“…polling shows more people are following the declassification of Russiagate documents than ever before. That’s both a good thing from the perspective of an enlarged awakening but also holds a serious downside if people are focused on the delivery of accountability.”

I disagree. It was only when lots of people like me got pissed after the GOP won big in the 2014 mid-terms, but then gave Obama everything he wanted, that made Trump’s entry into politics possible! We don’t want to keep people in the dark about this obvious treason. We want more people to have righteous anger about the lack of accountability in our government!

“If the Trump administration does not ‘punish’ the perpetrators, they run the risk of losing electoral support. However, when you look carefully at how the fraud was perpetrated, the criminal aspect is a very challenging hurdle.”

I’m not so sure about that either! That would presume the voters would be more inclined to punish those who tried, and failed, to punish the perpetrators than to punish the perpetrators themselves! That doesn’t make sense to me!

Sadly, it appears that people are thirsting for criminal indictments in the same way that they are thirsting for the release of a ‘client list’ for Epstein. All of this stems from the same psychology…..stemming from the vision of finally bringing down and punishing the criminally powerful. It’s not going to happen. We will not get a list of elite sexual predators, nor will we get imprisonment of the politically corrupt. Perhaps, however, we can set our sights on something that, in its own ‘small’ way, is even more criminal and might even bring that satisfaction we are looking for. The murder of Seth Rich.

Was it Nunes or Ratcliffe who made over a dozen criminal referrals?

Second, I saw somewhere where the DOJ is focusing on the coverup, and that had better legal exposure?

Third, why did Mueller’s team of 26 Federal attorneys erase 27 Federal smartphones?

Erasing a smartphone is a cumbersome, multi step process. It doesn’t happen by accident. Impossible. But that’s what all 26 Progressive attorneys asserted.

So what does that equal? They lied, destroyed government data, Conspiracy, what else?

The cultural change has been staggering. 😀

WHAT TOP NOTCH ATTORNEYS CAN HANDEL THIS PROSECUTION FOR AG BONDI?

Eric Bove?

We are getting small improvements, however, if you are looking for the 6am underwear perp walk filmed by CNN,…that…will…never…ever happen. Be content with the positives, love on your wife, kids, grandkids and dogs. Live your best life, Sundance expects that of us.

The string along game is so F’ing offensive.

Can someone point me to a good Sundance article outlining his theory that sloppy intelligence from within the US spy apparatus was laundered through Steele into the dossier and then presented back to the FBI etc?

I remember reading it but can’t find it now and need it to show a friend.

“The overarching defense of the perpetrators pertains to the baseline of the fraud itself, which is, essentially, that candidate, then President-elect and eventually President Trump was compromised by Russia.”

The IC never had any proof or reliable intelligence to start the fraudulent investigation in the first place.

I think that fact alone has already been proven. The fact that there was no legitimate reason to go after the Trump Campain was nothing beyond sheer political assassination and high conspiracy.

Therefore, I believe the idea that to prosecute would be counter productive is not much of an issue so far as I can tell.

Sundance, I respectfully ask, where is your faith, Sir.

Going after the numerous and widespread criminal actions perpetrated by the election fraud machine is both the most important and the most productive of the investigative activities the DOJ could be pursuing for the next twelve months — working with a very focused determination before the summer of 2026 when the fraud machine will once again be kicking into high gear.

Yes, expose the Deep State plots against President Trump for whatever it may get you.

But use the theft of the 2020 presidential election, and the thefts of numerous downballot races in 2022 and 2024 as the primary means of highlighting the lengths the Deep State actors, the DC Swamp, and the Uniparty globalists will go to prevent the American people from choosing the leaders they want to manage our country.

At the very least it’s coming out as to what a POS Obama was/ is.

FWIW, SDNY judge rules against Nunes.

“Trump Media CEO Devin Nunes loses defamation suit over Rachel Maddow claims

” ‘No reasonable jury could find’ that Rachel Maddow engaged in ‘constitutionally-defined actual malice,’ a federal judge ruled”

It would suffice if all of the perps were sentenced to many thousands of billable hours by Washington DC lawyers and of course the disclosure of all the nefarious deeds to the public. No guilty verdict needed.

What needs to happen, is PDJT47 needs to let the “System” work on these conspirators, and hopefully squeeze them dry of their wealth as they leave government ‘service.’ Punish them by process.
Most of this will happen in the DC Circuit, so a combination of crooked judges and biased juries will allow them at the end of the process to walk free, a lot poorer.

At that time PDJT47 should appear before the public and make the point that the Deep state may have won that round, because they are too deeply buried for any President to root out.
The only force that can remove them is that People at the Ballot Box.

He should make the point that if you are furious about the lack of accountability, YOU must make the changes to correct it, At the Ballot Box. If you continue to vote in a Dimm to any office you can not expect any accountability.

The People MUST remove DIMMs from every office from Dog Catcher on up.
Only then will there be change, when the Dimms are totally out of power by numbers that will not allow them to obstruct again.