Former House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence Chairman Devin Nunes appears on OAN with former Congressman Matt Gaetz to discuss the information released by Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard.
As noted by Nunes, why did it take this long for the information to surface? That question showcases how corrupt the DC system -the Intelligence Community- is in its effort to protect itself from accountability.
Nunes also points to the raid on Mar-a-Lago as a possible entry point for investigative accountability. WATCH:
Let me refresh on something that could potentially be a revelation down the road.
In 2022 a Florida judge dismissed a lawsuit brought by President Trump against Hillary Clinton. [65-page Ruling Here] The media enjoyed ridiculing Trump using the words of the judge who dismissed the case. As noted by the Washington Times, “Judge Donald M. Middlebrooks, a Clinton appointee, said Mr. Trump’s filing was too lengthy, detailing events that “are implausible because they lack any specific allegations which might provide factual support for the conclusions reached.”
When I originally read the 108-page Donald Trump lawsuit filed in March 2022, it took me a few moments, and then I realized this was not a lawsuit; this was a legal transfer mechanism created by lawyers to establish a proprietary information silo.
Here’s a totally different take on the issues surrounding the Trump -v- Clinton lawsuit, which -from the outset- I always believed was going to be dismissed because suing all of those characters under the auspices of a civil RICO case was never the objective.
In the aftermath of the filing, the silo created by the lawsuit is grounded upon attorney-client privilege, a legal countermeasure to a predictable DOJ-NSD lawfare maneuver, which unfolded in the FBI Mar-a-Lago raid and the subsequent Jack Smith targeting operation.
In March 2022 President Trump filed a civil lawsuit against: Hillary Clinton, Hillary for America Campaign Committee, DNC, DNC Services Corp, Perkins Coie, Michael Sussmann, Marc Elias, Debbie Wasserman Schultz, Charles Dolan, Jake Sullivan, John Podesta, Robby Mook, Phillipe Reines as well as Fusion GPS, Glenn Simpson, Peter Fritsch, Nellie Ohr, Bruce Ohr, Orbis Business Intelligence, Christopher Steele, Igor Danchenko, Neustar Inc., Rodney Joffe, James Comey Peter Strzok, Lisa Page, Kevin Clinesmith and Andrew McCabe. [108-Page Lawsuit Here]
When I was about one-third of the way through reading the lawsuit, I initially stopped and said to myself this is going to take a lot of documentary evidence to back up the claims in the assertions. Dozens of attachments would be needed and hundreds of citations to the dozens of attachments would be mandatory. Except, they were not there.
After reading further, while completely understanding the background material that was being described in the filing, I realized this wasn’t a lawsuit per se’. The 108-pages I was holding in my hands was more akin to legal transfer mechanism from President Trump to lawyers who needed it.
The lawsuit filing was contingent upon a series of documents that would be needed to support the claims within it.
Whoever wrote the lawsuit had obviously reviewed the evidence to support the filing. However, the attachments and citations were missing.
That was weird.
That’s when I realized the purpose of the lawsuit. In hindsight, things became clear when the FBI later raided the home of Donald Trump, and suddenly the motive to confiscate documents, perhaps the missing lawsuit attachments and citations, surfaced.
With the manipulative, and I said intentional, “ongoing investigation” angle created by the John Durham probe essentially blocking public release of declassified documents showing the efforts of all the lawsuit participants (Trump-Russia Collusion Hoax), in 2021 President Trump needed a legal way to secure and more importantly share evidence.
Think of it like the people around Trump wanting to show lawyers the evidence in the documents. However, because of the construct of the lawfare being deployed against Trump, any lawyer would need a *reason* to review the evidence. The Trump -v- Clinton et al lawsuit becomes that ‘reason.’
The “documents” (classified or not) were likely reviewed by lawyers in preparation for the lawsuit. This is their legal justification for reviewing the documents. In essence, the lawsuit was a transfer mechanism permitting the Trump legal team to review the evidence on behalf of their client, former President Donald Trump.
Once the formation of the lawsuit was established, the retainer and acceptance of the lawyers to represent their client cemented, the legal counsel, discussion and information within legal duties/obligations of those who represent the plaintiff (Trump) becomes an information silo. In addition to previous executive privilege established by President Trump himself; outside government there is now another silo to defend against the motives of the Lawfare crew (DOJ), the attorney-client privilege.
The lawsuit itself then becomes a transfer mechanism permitting sharing of the documents and providing legal cover for the reviewers (lawyers). The details within the 108-page filing constitute the claims of the plaintiff in the lawsuit, which were established by the evidentiary documents later seized by the DOJ and FBI raid on Mar-a-Lago.
“Judge Donald M. Middlebrooks, a Clinton appointee, said Mr. Trump’s filing was too lengthy, detailing events that “are implausible because they lack any specific allegations which might provide factual support for the conclusions reached.”
There were no attachments and/or citations to the documentary evidence in the 108-page filing, because there was a legal risk to citing evidence with a status in dispute by the corrupt people in Main Justice and the FBI.
Secondarily, there was an obstruction risk to the President in 2022, if his legal team was to publish citations that were part of an ongoing investigation (John Durham). However, this doesn’t negate the value of constructing the information silo, an attorney-client privilege.
The lawsuit was dismissed in March 2022.
In August 2022 the FBI raided Mar-a-Lago.
If the documents chased by the FBI were part of the lawsuit established by President Trump and his legal team via Trump -v- Clinton, then the material seized by the FBI would be -in part- attorney client work product. Lawfully obtained, constitutionally declassified and legally protected material.
According to later reports all of the documents were returned to President Trump at the conclusion of the Jack Smith investigation.
I think Devin Nunes is right to draw attention to the motive of the FBI to raid Mar-a-Lago.
Given the nature of the FBI working collaboratively with the Clinton crew in 2016/2017, I genuinely suspect it was the underpinning evidence to support the claims of the Trump -vs- Clinton lawsuit the FBI were looking for.
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Handing a non-privileged document to an attorney does not make it privileged.
Only documents created at the request of an attorney for a legal matter are. privileged. The privilege is narrow.
Therefore few, if any, documents at mar a largo were privileged.
Perhaps this was an excuse to provide copies of documents to another party so the deep state could not seize all of them?
But certainly not to create privilege.
Correct. I suspect the way Biden’s DOJ was handling it, they would’ve argued the crime fraud exception among many other exceptions to any attempt to claim documents were shielded by privilege. The privilege is more focused on communications between an attorney and a client that detail strategy, attorneys notes and mental impressions, etc., and you cannot hide behind the privilege to further a crime – which Biden’s DOJ would’ve undoubtably claimed.
“With the manipulative, and I said intentional, “ongoing investigation” angle created by the John Durham probe essentially blocking public release of declassified documents showing the efforts of all the lawsuit participants (Trump-Russia Collusion Hoax), in 2021 President Trump needed a legal way to secure and more importantly share evidence.”
Not to make those documents privileged…. but to share them with his attorneys while the Durham investigation, which blocked their release, was on-going.
I read through a few random pages of the complaint. It was obvious that this binder was used to construct the complaint. As things like on in the email from Mr xxx, dated xyz, it was stated bla bla and bla. Same type thing again and again.
Seeing the specificity of the references – they, the Trump team had all the documents. Just as Trump said many times “we caught them”.
Something is off here and seems jumbled.
The Suit was filed March 24, 2022. The Middlebrooks dismissal was signed September 8, 2022. The Mar-a-Lago raid was August of 2022, while the suit was still alive before Judge Middlebrooks.
What do we determine from that timeline? The “Cabaliers” decided to grab the Mar-a-Lago stuff while the suit was ongoing?
This then makes the seized material attorney client work product, and puts the FBI/DOJ in a precarious position which was never pursued.
This surely brings Wray into the mix. There is just no way that this raid could have been organized and sanctioned unless Director Wray was not read in on the purpose of the raid and you know that he had to personally approved the raid…and exactly what to look for in any recovered files. Think about it…the FBI raided a President’s home because the National Archives demanded some files that they thought Trump might have that needed to be archived??? Give me a break…
Very smart analysis, as usual.
What I think reading this is: ‘it’s not over with this case and/or the materials Sundance is talking about. They will soon be used.’
So, was this bait? Could the raid be used to reset the statute of limitations clock because it was in furtherance of an ongoing conspiracy?
As well as a great reason to prosecute the case in FL. rather than in DC.
wow talk about deep.
After reading the Sundance analysis, I think both sides — Donald Trump and his legal team on one side, and the Deep State conspirators on the other — they were both playing the long game in the spring, summer, and fall of 2022.
In the summer of 2022, the Deep State conspirators and Biden’s DOJ/FBI had to have understood that Donald Trump was seriously back in the game of running for president.
The March 2022 Trump lawsuit revealed that Donald Trump and his legal team knew a lot about the Russia collusion hoax and about all the other schemes which had been mounted against him since the summer of 2015.
The fact that all those names were appearing in the March 2022 lawsuit meant that Donald Trump had more than just hearsay evidence to back up his lawsuit’s claims. But the lawsuit didn’t contain direct documentary evidence for those claims.
Had the documentary material been included in the lawsuit, the Deep State conspirators would have known at that time what specific material Donald Trump and his legal team had in their possession. But it wasn’t there.
Sure, it was important for the Deep State conspirators to know what documents and information Donald Trump had in his possession which could be used against them. And to retrieve those documents and that informational material if they could. Hence the Mar-a-lago raid.
But it was also important to find some means to prevent the future use of that information in some further legal context in case multiple copies of the information existed outside of official government archives.
One means of doing that would be for the DOJ/FBI to conduct the Mar-a-lago raid to discover and retrieve the material, and then to charge Donald Trump and his staff with illegal possession and handling of classified material in the expectation that he would be convicted of a federal crime and be sentenced to prison.
Just as important, while the legal proceedings against Donald Trump were in progress, the information content of the material retrieved from Mar-a-lago would remain in a pseudo-classified status and could not be publicly revealed in a legal proceeding.
Trump and his legal team knew in March of 2022 that he would be running for president in 2024. In the summer of 2022, the Deep State conspirators assessed the situation and concluded that Donald Trump would be the Republican nominee in 2024 and stood a very good chance of being elected President 47.
The conspirators knew that if Donald Trump became President 47 in 2025, he would have all the authority he needed to legally retrieve all the evidence of a conspiracy he needed to prove his claims of treasonous sedition against him. Moreover, he would get that evidence from the government’s own official archives, thus cementing its credibility.
And so the Deep State conspiracy against Donald Trump had to continue and even to accelerate if it was to protect itself successfully from discovery.
But the conspirators had a problem. If the conspiracy continued, it would generate more evidence of a conspiracy — evidence which would be recorded inside the government’s own records archives. Maintaining the conspiracy would also allow charges of more recent conspiratorial activities to be linked to past conspiratorial activities which occurred before the summer of 2022 and before the statute of limitations ran out.
This is pure speculation on my part: In strategizing his return to the Oval Office in the spring of 2022, Donald Trump and his legal team might have filed the March 2022 lawsuit as red meat bait which would leave the Deep State conspirators little option but to move heaven and earth legally and illegally to keep him from becoming President 47 in January of 2025.
And in doing so, sealing their own fate.
The statute of limitations on conspiracies apparently starts when the conspiracy ends. This is a conundrum for the conspirators. They can’t admit to the conspiracy by saying it has ended, to claim statute of limitations immunity, because well, duh, it implicates them. They also can’t claim their was NO conspiracy because that is part of a conspiracy cover up, basically resetting the SoL timeline.
Hopefully there is some juicy solid evidence of someone claiming they will do something to further the plot. But more than likely proof will be difficult and all we will get is lying to congress charges, or some money handling or tax or bank fraud charges like Al Capone.
Hey, Mn. Mike. Journalists and their editors were a necessary part. Do you think they can be brought in as conspirators (e.g. breathing together with their leakers)?
Not unless we see talking points sent to the press signed by one of the Former 51.
The complication here for the accusers is that the conspirators don’t necessarily have to be explicitly told what to do. Because they already know most of what has to be done to accomplish their particular role in the scheme. They themselves can fill in the details along the way.
Some smoking guns might be found.
But it’s more likely that the pattern of actions and associated action deliverables which supported the sedition conspiracy must be placed into a fully-coordinated informational context if the reality of the conspiracy is to be revealed in enough convincing detail to create a legally effective prosecution case.
Now THIS explanation makes tons of sense, unlike the actual article: the suit was bait to extend the statute of limitations. But the main article was unfocussed. I am a lawyer and yet have no idea what the point of the main article was. These days innuendo does not cut it; innuendo is the abusive tool of the craven left. I love this website but say what you mean don’t pussyfoot around.
Why would the documents be located at Mar-A-Lago? Wouldn’t they be in the hands of the lawyers?
The lawsuit lays out allegations that are well known: Clinton & DNC paid lawyers to produce the Steele dossier, & to fabricate evidence of a back channel between the Trump organization & Alfa Bank. Lots of documents are already public.
What related documents are less well known, & not public?
Perhaps the “white papers” on thumb drives & data given to FBI GC Baker by P-C related to the Alfa Bank hoax in September 2016 are a hint.
FBI took Alfa bank hoax attribution evidence from P-C, provided by University researchers, according to the filing.
FBI took attribution reports from Crowstrike for “DNC hack” attribution.
P-C hired & managed Crowdstrike for the DNC & Clinton Campaign “hack” attribution.
Did FBI hire independent attribution consultants, or rely only on Crowdstrike attribution reports? If so, who were the FBI consultants?
Remarkably little is said about the “DNC hack” attribution in the lawsuit filing, imo.
Perhaps that’s what’s missing?
Or could it be Dutch AIVD Intel reports of Russian Intel reports?
Hopefully we find out but remember, Julian Assange said he has hard evidence that the Russians did NOT hack the DNC but he knows who did. Where is he these days?
The University researchers have been identified as Ga Tech.
Alperovitch is a Ga Tech alumni.
DNC “hack” attribution in 2016 reeks of conflict of interest, & parallel construction, imo
What is very concerning at this point is all the intelligence that’s being uncovered about all the perpetrators. There is hardly anything about the bureaucrats inside the FBI, CIA, DOJ and the rest – the enablers of the perpetrators. That, and the fact that these termites are still alive and living well inside our government. This, to me, poses a greater ongoing threat to our country. These people need to be rooted out.
A point that should be asked, when has the use of lethal force ever been granted against against a president of the USA for a fantasy crime. This entire Mar Largo incident could have been formalized by two lawyers instead the Obama Stasi carried out one of their orchestrated raids. Just as the FBI carried out their Catholic church terrorist exercises; their Islamic terrorist transport exercises in Texas; or their Jan 6th agent provocateur activities why should we not be surprised that the Obama posse that ran guns to the Mexican gun cartels is capable of any grotesquerie?
Thank you Sundance……Just a humble Grandma here…….I read this 3 times (so far), each time gleaned more from it. Enjoyed it tremendously. Genius!!
CEO Devin Nunes is courageous, loyal, and an honest patriot. Many years ago I remember watching a TV news story about him walking from Congress to the White House so he could tell President Trump in person about the shenanigans that were happening to undermine him and his administration. G-d bless you, CEO Nunes for all you do to make this a great country.
Maybe, just for once in his life, Barack Obama will be humiliated. The guy’s a genuine phony. Many Democrats still believe the Trump/Russia hoax that the Presidency was stolen from Hillary.
Then there is the Wikileaks aspect of Trump-Russia. Through the alleged “Fancy Bear” (GRU–Russian Military intelligence) hack of the DNC, Wikileaks obtained the DNC emails that damaged Hillary in the 2016 election. This was used by the CIA and Mike Pompeo to declare Julian Assange to not be a journalist and accuse him of being a Russian espionage agent without First Amendment immunity for publishing classified information.
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