I’ll put the entire cabinet meeting in another post. It is interesting that RFK Jr. was not present (?).
For this outline, let’s focus on the issue that is exploding the MAGA and anti-MAGA universe on social media right now. President Trump and Pam Bondi’s response to a question about Jeffrey Epstein and the controversial DOJ/FBI memo that now states there is no “third party” or “client list” connected to the Epstein sex trafficking.
Obviously, President Trump is not happy with attention focused on the Epstein issues. The most likely reason for the frustration expressed is simply that President Trump is unaware how much the Epstein issues are -and have been- part of the background focus within the base of his support. Here’s the segment. WATCH:
First, kudos to Marco Rubio for his stone faced and remarkably unaffected disposition within the exchange. It takes time and experience to remain stoic at this level. Exceptional control.
Second, everyone here has a reasonable BS detector – meaning we can tell when a person is not telling the truth. It is transparently obvious AG Pam Bondi is extremely uncomfortable with the Epstein issue, and her responses indicate she is not being honest or forthright. You could say, she’s lying; however, the facts of her presentation are a little more complicated.
The main issue around Bondi’s less-than-fulsome response is the motive. Is she lying because she’s just grossly incompetent about the issue, or is she lying because she is nefarious in her intent. The Occam’s Razor answer to her obvious parseltongue is a combination of both.
Former AG Pam Bondi, now Attorney General Pam Bondi is entirely over her head when it comes to highly sensitive and critically important issues. She does not have the intellectual acumen to engage on a subject that is both complex and sensitive. Bondi is an unmoored ship, floating in the direction of tides, waves and winds on any particular subject.
When a controversial issue arises, the character of the individual becomes more visible. Direct honesty is challenging to an unmoored person because they are always guesstimating, attempting to navigate and find the best position with themselves as the focus of the issue, not the issue itself.
In general terms, when a person is unmoored, the personal character trait of ‘how does this affect me’ surfaces quickly and visibly whenever a topic of discomfort surfaces. If that topic is one of high public interest, the prism of self-interest, brutally visible, then creates the realization of distrust. This outward appearance cannot be hidden and begins the person into a downward spiral that becomes even more clear when the predictable anger defensive mechanism is triggered. We see all of that in Bondi’s reaction to the question.
This aspect of Pam Bondi’s character was why CTH was out front of the nomination in saying this could be a problem. If she was willing to go along with the fabrication of a false witness in the Zimmerman case, what does that tell us about predicting her behavior as the U.S. Attorney General? That reality was the source of our concern. Now people are starting to see it surface.
Bondi is both lying from incompetence, simply her words do not pass the standard of common sense, and she is lying from a position that the DOJ/FBI claims just simply do not add up.
Unfortunately, both Bondi and Trump’s response to the Epstein issue now open a huge gate for the opposition to exploit. Elon Musk and his legions of anti-Trumpers, both new and old, will now enjoy enhanced support as their attack exploits will benefit from visible obfuscation. MAGA people will begin to distrust, that opens the door for anti-MAGA elements to engage in the issue that both Bondi and Trump obfuscate. This is not good.
Lastly, regarding President Trump. There is a membrane around the President that is very difficult to penetrate. President Trump has guards around him that do not allow information to enter against their priority interests. Trump’s handlers, specifically Bondi’s key ally, Susie Wiles, have an agenda for President Trump, and they control his domestic political worldview by controlling the information that reaches him.
Yes, President Trump has handlers, monitors, who steer the subjects they want into his field of vision. If there is an issue they do not prioritize, he simply does not see it. The same applies to all Presidents and all Executives in positions of power, the issue is not exclusive to President Trump, and we all have reference points – albeit with less consequence.
President Trump is blind to the importance of the Jeffrey Epstein story, because he is disconnected from realizing the importance of the issue to his support base. It really is that simple. To him, this looks like a distraction, because from his well managed perspective this is not an issue the guards have drawn attention to.
President Trump’s primary way of sensing the priorities of the electorate were rallies and meetings with ordinary people and MAGA supporters. However, when he won the election he is now circled by people who -at times- have a completely different agenda and priority focus than the ordinary people left outside.
I understand this dynamic from my own personal engagement with people close to President Trump, in combination with watching closely how information flows into his psyche. That said, I am relatively optimistic the Epstein issue will soon be explained to President Trump in a way that changes how he approaches it.
Unfortunately, it takes time for information to penetrate the politically protective membrane around President Trump; but when it does, he will react to it. The ammunition this issue has provided to his enemies will quickly be noted by Dan Scavino Jr., Melania Trump and Barron Trump.
Despite the ugliness, President Trump is a man of honest temperament, and he can quickly adapt. However, Pam Bondi is structurally incapable of recovering, but I suspect she will appear on Sean Hannity in an effort to rehabilitate herself.
Politico and Musk giving us the finger in an oh so genteel way. . .
That binder says “Phase 1.” Guess I missed phase 2.
We just lived through phase 2…
They just buried phase two.
I trust your judgement and insight on President Trump’s inner circle, but this is more a benign take than my gut feeling which is that burying the Epstein file was part of the cost of making Peace the Prize in the ME.
He MISCALCULATED badly…and HE will suffer the consequences.
MAGA, Conservatives expect from dems, NOT DJT.
Trust is a fragile commodity. One crack, and the whole thing shatters. It can never be restored.
We could all hear, I’m certain, the national collective intake of breath when it was announced that there was “nothing to see here. Move along…” Issued from the DOJ about the Epstein files (about which we’d been assured there would be transparency and reckoning) and then confidently confirmed by Karoline at the most recent press conference. But President Trump’s angry interjection at the reporter who asked about the shocking shutdown of all things Epstein had me searching for my jaw which became unhinged and fell to the floor.
I know he is juggling many balls of national importance. However I am surprised he is as yet unaware of the level of intense outrage at what was announced. Is there no one in his most deeply trusted inner circle who can or will alert him to this? He needs someone whose opinion he respects to eyeball him with the potentially trust busting reactions to this announcement which are rippling across the nation among MAGA supporters.
And please, before it takes on a life of its own and all that portends.
Here is a man who is unafraid to speak as he finds…he’ll tell it as it is to our President (who is on the edge of dangerous territory as I believe him to be) as with the Covid vaxxxxine…
President Trump, I implore you…CALL JOHN RICH!!
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This!^^ Betsy you just articulated perfectly what I have been feeling for a few weeks now…The first comment to upset me was during his rally and how he will do what he wants with the farmers and their visas regardless of what the “hard right” think. WOW. OK. And today’s comment pretty much sit down and shut up about Epstein’s list…honestly I don’t even give 2 sh&&s about the Elist but the way he responded was very much offputting.
Once again he is being handled and managed…Before he gets into office he is a man of the people, knows and listens to the American people…we put him into office and once again he is insulated. He also has to know and if not he clearly did not learn anything from his first term.
Michelle, I said on the previous thread that I found it very interesting to watch Rubio who was stuck in the middle between President Trump and the woman who may turn out to be his biggest appointment mistake.
His face was completely frozen, no expression whatsoever. What was he thinking ? We can’t know…
Then I rewatched to catch Bondi’s after she finished talking. She immediately turned her glance to President Trump instead of, as I would have done, stared down the reporter who asked the question. Now that would have been a sign of resolute command of the “facts” as she delivered them.
One of the things about President Trump which increasingly bothers me is that whenever he is giving a press conference or an announcement with cabinet members present, he always asks “Where’s Pam? She is doing such a great job.”
And I wince…
So I will take this opportunity to leave something here I read this morning and hope others will read it, too.
I truly, prayerfully hope as this author so well expresses that the clock is ticking for her.
Whether willfully or incompetently, she is now an anchor who has the potential to drag President Trump down. She needs to be replaced…and post haste….like yesterday.
“Bondi’s Not Gonna Make it”
https://www.wcdispatch.com/p/bondis-not-gonna-make-it?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=1788464&post_id=167777828&utm_campaign=email-post-title&isFreemail=true&r=ch1ue&triedRedirect=true&utm_medium=email
Yep.
Agreed Betsy…great article btw. So to me the real question is, does DJT actually BELIEVE there is nothing there? No client list? nothing at all? Epstein killed himself? He is believing what Pam, Kash and Bongino are putting out 100%. See, that right there? is where I am scared to death. To me this is how COVID got started……Based on what SD says he doesn’t seem to (once again) have enough critical thinking people around him….
It’s THE question I have as well. And one nobody can answer.
At this point, all we can do is wait, watch, and hope there are things going on at the DOJ we are not privy to which will dispense eventual justice for all those who have been abused and trafficked. One of the most unforgivable crimes there could ever be for which victims of it are forever changed, their lives destroyed.
Bondi spoke of the reprehensible videos of child pornography. The children weren’t in them by themselves….
I’m pretty certain President Trump knows.
I hope what we witnessed today is his righteous anger at being unable to say anything at the moment, pending ongoing targeted charges…
Dearest Father in Heaven Who bade the little children to come to Him, I fervently pray so 🙏🏻
Amen…
Rubio is the guy I don’t trust. Has a lousy poker face too. Don’t forget he was in the gang of eight. Knows where the bodies are buried.
Rubio was the only Cabinet official confirmed by all the Democrats and Republicans. Makes you wonder, doesn’t it??
at first – not anymore
Indeed, TT.
It is arguably *THE* worst-kept secret in the world that Epstein was ‘with intelligence’. – Whether CIA, Mossad, or both is TBD, so as a former gang-of-eighter, you betcha Rubio knows…
One point of view that we don’t touch on but which does explain Trump’s continued endorsement of Bondi and the FBI is that they are doing exactly what Trump wants them to do. Our expectations from the AG and FBI and what Trump wants of the AG and FBI may be 180 degrees opposite each other. Bondi & Co are clearly not living up to our expectations, but Trump continues to praise them. Yes, he may be isolated (that’s a tough pill for me to swallow), but it’s also possible that for whatever reason (since he can’t be reelected, I think it would be a very personal reason and not a political one) he may want the Epstein affair gone for good. In which case after the FBI’s findings, he’s free to say Bondi & Co are doing “such a great job.” Personally, I believe Trump has made some kind of deal over the Epstein affair with unknown people.
Yeaaaaaahhhhh…
There’s always that, DD…
And something I actually think of every time I see something jolting like this.
But then I ask myself, what exactly has he asked her to do…or more specifically, not do.
T’is a mystery.
Boy Howdy…
Izakly!
should’a replaced Sessions as soon as he recused himself. (it was so-o mamby-pamby-pansy-ass)
still vivid in my mind … mere hours after Sessions sunk the 1st Term, a camera outside the Oval Office caught the action inside, through the windows ( I can still see it! ) Steve Bannon was clearly arguing with Trump. Both were animated, Bannon more so. Trump was seated, Bannon up and waving.
I’ll always believe Bannon was telling Trump to fire Sessions.
They were hoping it would just disappear like those poor people in the Texas flood.
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and like poor people across Appalachia 18 months ago, and the communities around East Palestine, Ohio, and the local population of Lahaina, and Paradise California, and Los Angeles, California.
Barron will let Dad know what the MAGA reaction is. A Treeper noted yesterday that Karoline was not wearing her cross necklace, and that she looked extremely uncomfortable during her press beating.
There are four people in top positions that need to be removed immediately (IMO), Susie Wiles, Pam Bondi, Kash Patel and Dan Bongino. John Ratcliff is on the bubble.
I thought of him, Belle…pretty much first thing.
Either Barron or Stephen Miller.
Let’s hope…no, pray…he does.
As for John Ratcliffe…
Again with the body language, I watched a short clip of President Trump announcing he would send defensive weapons to Ukraine. Ratcliffe was sitting two seats down, his face in full view of the cameras.
As soon as that announcement was made, Ratcliffe’s eyes shot up in a partial, reflexive eyeroll to the ceiling with his head jerked slightly back through the force of them. No prizes for guessing what he was thinking.
Probably the same as the rest of us…
The defensive weapons were already in the pipeline from Biden.
It’s a calendar issue.
Yes, Ratcliffe was acting strangely the entire time.
I’ve had a little think about my post above…
It’s possible that Ratcliffe rather than not liking what he heard from President Trump on supplying weapons to Ukraine was actually saying under his breath or to himself, “YES!!!!!”
In fact the more I think about it, the more I’m leaning towards this interpretation.
Which pretty cements him as a DS player.
I saw that. He looked happy. What does he get out of sending weapons to Ukraine?
In the past several weeks I’ve found myself spending more and more time here among the CTH community.
When I see your name, I stop, I read and consider.
I do hope, that your trust has not been shattered. We have a LONG road yet ahead of us.
We need to see as many PEOPLE OF GOOD WILL both surviving all of the stuff that has been thrown at rPOTUS – and with him the rest of us – and making it through the three and-a-half years that we still have ahead of us. And I for one don’t expect even for a second to see improvement in civility or anything else.
Nothing about it is going to change. We are in the majority, and the powers that be have decided that we will not be permitted to experience that as a people might in ordinary times.
So, Donald Trump has people around him that unmoored. There sure have been plenty of folks here at CTH of late who have sounded unmoored and worse. Society at large – well, we’re living in a TEMPEST, and these are the days that we were born into.
The character of the man, Trump, has not changed. Perhaps if people allow themselves to, then they’d see that all of the unending craziness has made him stronger.
All the of the madness which long ago would have broken nearly every one of us and which would have sent many among us to the funny farm – or worse, this has made him a more compassionate and I’ll bet a far more approachable man.
The hand of God is upon this man.
No, RCR, not shattered…
For the reason you write.
God’s hand is indeed on Donald John Trump.
As you note with some here and as I have been reading elsewhere, there are many who expect the road back to be smooth. So at the first pothole we see erstwhile MAGA members with no patience…and off they go, unable to evaluate/remember where we were for four hellish years and how fast the tides have been reversing.
You are right. President Trump, as Margaret Thatcher famously described herself, is not for turning. He is the same as he ever was.
But we know there are forces within the bowels of DC, many now fired but just as many still deeply embedded, whose mission it to disrupt and destroy what he is doing for America and her people.
“Once burned, twice shy” is an axiom well worth recalling. So those of us who do not have faulty memories of his first term and remember how those forces then scurriously undermined him…and us…keep alert. We remain acutely watchful, understanding what didn’t kill him (figuratively and literally) will regroup and try, try again…
We, his supporters, stand on the battlements looking out for anything which whiffs of a repeat from 2018, and the enemies whose anger and hatred has only metastasized. And where we can we sound the alarm.
But Almighty God did not get him this far only to abandon him now. Knowing this, having faith and patience, and having seen with our own eyes the heaven sent miracle of Butler should be enough for us as we hit those potholes. If a course correction is needed, I have no doubt President Trump will be guided to it.
Thank you for your beautiful post…
Thank YOU.
CTH is, I believe, a kind of oasis (sanity).
The temperature has been a little high for several days now. That said, on top of so much else, there are spiritual realities that seek to have their way.
Good evening.
I can’t think of a more wonderful word, new friend…
An oasis for our souls (conversation amongst like minded friends).
Yes. Perfect!
superb
“Unbelievable.” [“Inconceivable”.]
Mr. President, “I don’t think that word means what you think it means.”
Not anymore.
Please read the reply under BlacknutGuy who you replied to
this is a viable hypothesis, and as unsavory as it is, blackmail can run both ways….
Yep. I am not sure it matters which side (US or Israel) played the card for leverage. If I am correct, then it remains to be seen if it was worth it. Complicated business.
Until the bombing starts..
BBB, Peace prize and a few other incentives thrown in.
Food For Thought Perhaps we can’t see what we can’t see
I will go so far to say this. If people knew who were on the Jeffrey Epstein list the chaos that would have ensued would have been biblical. Everyone thinks their favorite person is not on it. That is the only reason most were looking fot it to be released. Republican/Conservative would have been in for a rude awakening.
This is why I commented more on the files than I advocated for it’s release. The revelations from it’s unveiling could have triggered a mass exodus from the GOP, with internal party polls suggesting a 35% membership decline, paralyzing campaign efforts for the 2026 midterms. The right wing ecosystem would have collapsed completely. Fringe platforms would by default be the new voices who are not a part of any party.
All of that conservative family values rhetoric would have went out the window permanently. The Christian card would have been completely pulled. You know who would have taken over to take advantage of all of the chaos? The Deep State. Because people automatically would be looking for voices who were not on the list assuming they were good guys by default.
No different than those who support candidates who are not owned by AIPAC/Israel today. They draw from that alone conclusions that this person has to be for the American people. And they are so far removed from reality with that perception. Especially after I showed you one person who is in fact in bed with the same Zionist he supposedly detest which is Thomas Massie. How many you think want to believe that? Do you see his support base?
How many are fooled by his anti Israel stance? Do you see what I mean? Jeff Yass owns him and he is a Israeli/Zionist who funded him the same way AIPAC financed people in Washington. So I ask you for all who are upset today. Do you really think you were prepared for that list to be released? Many of you have only seen mostly Dem/Libs on the unofficial list that have been floating around for years. How many were ready for the other side of that?
This is why I told you all that the bridge to the other side of this slavery system would have been burned before you even crossed it and would have brought us back 2 decades undoing everything that is about to free you from this system. Maybe they will be released in a different way in the future where it can not upset the economy before we have a chance to actually enter ‘The New Republic’ that is free from blackmail, corruption, bribery, etc. Not sure but man the turnout would have definitely stalled a lot of things that have been put in place.
If you wanted the J. Epstein list more than you wanted your freedom than I definitely respect your enthusiasm. You are one dedicated cookie.
@Prolotario1
Interesting analysis.
Daily Mail is reporting Musk has released a tweet that Steve Bannon is amongst those in the ‘non-existent’ file.
I won’t at all be surprised if this ends up being a huge self inflicted mess.
Bannon can’t stand Musk…..like Sundance describes Bondi this is how Bannon has described Musk from the beginning.
That is because Bannon seen throgh Musk since the be beginning, just another grifter. The fact that Musk is all about the money and the almost desperate need of accomplishing his own personal goals should be plain enough by now for everyone to see.
Musk belongs on Mars, IMO.
I suppose it’s possible that Steve Bannon is on the list.
On the other hand, Elon Musk is a proven liar and grifter. He lies when he’s angry and sometimes he lies just for the sport of it. He’s a lying liar who can’t be trusted.
Very true. That said, Bannon always looks like he needs a good scrub – so who knows how deep down that goes.
How would Musk know that?
Access to twitter accounts?
And my wild guess is why we had, just a few days ago, POTUS calling Musk “mentally unstable” and that he feels sorry for him. Preemptively, with one post, he discredited everything Musk will say in the future.
Musk is discrediting himself.
He’s pointing a gun at his own foot.
CNN Has a montage of “MAGA World” having “meltdowns” over this.
Cold hard anger.
Sundance you have my total respect and admiration. However, how comfortable would you be if you were harrassed on camera about your foreign travel constantly?
Pam “Sessions” Bondi handed them a gift.
Edit: was supposed to be response to SD’s X post.
I think you are very hard on Bondi.
Possibly the prior statement about the list was a covert way of putting immense pressure on those who were on a list that may not exist anymore. Also Trump is defending them all.
Research the Treehouse archive about Pam, George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin.
I have been exceptionally soft on Pam Bondi, considering our long history with her.
And didn’t Pam Bondi say when asked by Benny or Fox or someone in a restaurant whether this was important to the President…didn’t she reply like 4-6 weeks ago, “The Epstein case is a priority for this President?”
Something is “off the rails” on this whole Epstein matter. Comer was the canary in the coalmine when he said, “There are no Epstein files.”
I hope you are right Sundance that when Trump gets a true briefing from Scavino or a family member, that heads roll.
I have a bad feeling about this…
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DXS5UmM1lo14%26pp%3D0gcJCfwAo7VqN5tD&ved=2ahUKEwi96_byw5yOAxXBm4kEHfe4KD0Q78AJegQIGRAB&usg=AOvVaw2YOnQTdx734VzNhuzN5t-R
Maybe for political reasons, she was the only candidate that could have made it through the Senate approval process. But her ineffectiveness is getting to be a big problem.
I remember your remarkable coverage of the George Zimmerman trial, and I remember Pam Bondi’s role in the unjust attempt to prosecute him.
Yes, you have been exceptionally soft on her, up until now. Maybe that will change.
Given her Florida AG record & associations, she’s been untrustworthy 100%! She played a crucial role in George Zimmerman witness tampering and she is associated with Alex Costas Florida case against Epstein being dismissed as well. She’s not playing for the good guys by any means!
…she is associated with Alex Costas Florida case against Epstein being dismissed as well.
I was wondering that very thing.
I hope sundance elects to write about that!
Sundance has been very hard on Low IQ TV Blondie. So have many different commenters on CTH-including me.
Having said that, I would say that we haven’t been as hard on the low IQ TV Blondie as she
deserves. She deserves much more criticism.
I suspect she will get it.
Why is President Trump staunchly supporting her?
I think he feels that she is loyal to him. Maybe that is true but she seems very incompetent to me.
I don’t think Susie Wiles lets Tulsi or RFK Jr within a country mile of the president. She’s representing the GOPe / Bush wing of the party. If she were replaced, it would be good. Don Jr probably understands this, even though he is sometimes lacking tact.
Tulsi was at the meeting sitting next to Lee Zeldon.
There is still only one (two if you parse it) question: If there is no “There” there, why did Epstein kill/not kill himself. And why is Ghislaine Maxwell still in prison?
And Prince Andrew pay massive $$$ and get kicked out of royal role BY THE QUEEN, herself.
…and he was “her favorite” too.
And why did JPMorgan/Chase bank pay out all that $$ to victims?
Read this earlier today and thought – “good questions”….
FTA-
How did Epstein make his money? Why doesn’t the government know? Did he build a billion-dollar empire $9,999.99 at a time, and avoid reporting anything to the IRS ever?
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2025/07/the_government_s_problem_with_jeffrey_epstein.html
Where are the signed statements by the victims in this case? Are they under seal by a Judge? There is no need for a “list”…it’s a red herring.
Maxwell said there was a black book and she had a copy. The judge said the names of the clients will not be released to the public.
“…when a person is unmoored, the personal character trait of ‘how does this affect me’ surfaces quickly…”
Reminds me of all the entitled women I know.
Narcissists, every one.
Funny …Women can be extremely one way or extremely the other way……you need to find the women in the other extreme. Maybe you are looking in the wrong places.
Well, since I am a woman I can tell you that all my close, personal friends — of which the Lord has marvelously blessed me with many — are Christian woman and far from the entitled narcissists I wrote of.
It has crossed my mind that there is no list because it has been destroyed. By whom and when is a valid question that might make key people very uncomfortable. If it’s true that all the J6 days was destroyed, this would be much easier. Those who control the information and access to it would be incredibly embarrassed by such an event, especially one such as Blondi who already looks bad at every turn.
There are only one set of sick vids, the original, secured and used by Mosaad to control of the powerful sickos around the wold everyday!
I hear this a lot…Epstein was controlled by Mossad or CIA. Is there any actual proof this might be true?
I was hoping to see “the list” take down Reid Hoffman – he’s the guy who funded that crackpot shafting DJT for rape in Bergdorf’s. I figured the reason he did this was to keep his pedo behavior quiet. But this was just a wild guess on my part and I have to wonder if Mosaad and/or CIA are also a wild guess.
Nevertheless there were a lot of visitors to that island and some for sure were up to no good.
Mike Church said it looks like the document Axios posted was doctored…by amateurs no less..
Quit with the doctored nonsense.
Bondi has not denounced it as fake.
That means they purposely leaked it and are behind it.
I guess my point was that Axios is trying to make Trump and his administration look bad.
Wasn’t saying anything against Team Trump.
Team Trump is making themselves look bad.
My apologies, I missed your intended point.
Trump seemed to me to be frustrated with Bondi. He wasn’t praising her like he used to.
Tulsi was there. She was sitting next to the EPA Lee Zeldon.
Was RFKjr. the designated survivor to not be there? I remember them saying Carson was the designated survivor at one of the meetings.
Thanks for once again shedding light on just how tightly controlled the circle around President Trump really is.
Susie Wiles is Brutus. I said it from the beginning and I stand by it. I pray for President Trump every day that he has no weapons formed against him be allowed to prosper. Perhaps that membrane will be pierced soon enough.
Wormtongue Wiles is who brought Pam in.
Perhaps we get a 2 for 1 ‘release’ from the Admin.
Needed and required after this fiasco.
Lord Willing..
Yep. Birds of a lobbying feather. Brian Ballard is the one whom insisted to President Trump that he meet Susie Wiles. He vouched for her.
It was reported in the beginning of the 47 Admin, that PDJT trusts Wiles….and they go ‘way back’.
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We are witnessing the Epstein coverup and the deal that Pam Patel made to get their Senate confirmation votes (including no action on other Deep State crimes). A backroom deal was made to “whitewash” Epstein, Trump got something in return for this.
The blowback against the Trump adminstration will continue to be severe as a large portion of Trump’s voting base voted for “justice” as their number one issue (even more so than immigration).
President Trump did get something in return. They let him win in November!
I don’t thing anything was overt. ( would be setting themselves up for hiding crime and using it for blackmail)
However the very clear Bondi statement may have been heard loud and clear by those who knew to fear it.
Tulsi Gabbard was in the Cabinet Room at the end of the table…
Yes she was next to Lee Zeldon.
Bondi is a BUSH GAL. She was SOS when Bush/Gore developed in Fl over hanging chad.
NEVER understood WHY or WHO recommended and WHY she was so high on the list???????
Either SHE’S THE problem or Trump?
Which?
IF HER, he better cut bait very quickly. THIS AIN’T GOING AWAY. Leavitt was thrown UNDER the bus and ran over about 5x yesterday at the presser…She failed miserably LYING…!!
Trump only needs to recall back during campaign. Epstein WAS the sacred cow of how dems, libs, Biden, DOJ, et als COVERED it all up, to include EVERYONE ON the island and those blackmailed.
And he thinks this going away???????
No – that wasn’t Bondi – it was someone else, but I don’t recall her name; there was a glamour pic of her wearing a mink coat floating around during the hanging chad days. Bondi would have been way too young then.
Katherine Harris
Yesterday was the first time I’ve seen Press Secretary Leavitt flailing about for a cogent believable answer. It wasn’t pretty, nor confidence building.
She was told to cover for the lie.
She was and to me it appeared that this really upset her. I hope she doesn’t quit.
She’s not use to lying.
She was caught off guard with their demand of her to lie.
And tellingly, she chose not to wear her cross necklace.
No, that was Florida Secretary of State Katherine Harris.
http://www.bustle.com/articles/197869-what-happened-to-katherine-harris-she-was-a-key-player-in-the-2000-recount
Be more careful with blunderbuss, unsourced statements.
You just shot a hole in your own credibility boat. Own-goals are to be avoided.
Thanks for your forthright non pretending view on the entire situation
Another landmine to defuse and hopefully soon
“Politicians and diapers must be changed often, and for the same reason.”
— Samuel Clemens
“I can’t believe you’re asking a question on Epstein…”
Believe it.
Actually, we’re also asking about Comey, Weissmann, Mayorkas, Wray, Garland, Smith, McCord and Lisa Paige?
And the pipe bomber, the FBI involved with the gymnasts, the 2020 stolen election, the Covid lies and deaths, Seth Rich, the Butler assassin, and the rot throughout the FBI. Get rid of the rot and perp walk the rest.
Actually, we asking about Comey, Weissmann, Garland, Smith and McCord.
i don’t give Bondi or President Trump a pass on this one.
How on earth could Trump be unaware of the gravity of the
Epstein issue.
It goes to the heart of all the corruption .
Wasn’t it citizen Trump who threw Epstein out of his club because Epstein was trying to recruit young girls there .
No , their must be something else but I sure am not buying that Trump doesn’t understand the gravity of the situation in this instance.
I just explained how he is unaware.
Your unwillingness to accept the simplicity of it, is all yours.
Sorry Sundance no… Willful ignorance … He’s knows his base, Wiles be damned.
Trump doesn’t even glance at “X”?
Not a hint of an angry response from any comments on “Truth Social”?
I agree DJTs insulated – but he’s always been connected with We The People at the digital level.
Seems curious that he would have 0 awareness of any socially relevant issue, especially this one.
I am honored that you replied to my post Sir.
I fully understand your thoughtful analysis and value your commentary.
Where I question what is happening ,not motives, is your view that in time the information will penetrate the membrane and Trump will come to see the importance.
Wasn’t his first presidency plagued by corrupt officials at every turn ?
Weren’t these issues hashed out during the four years he was out of office and preparing to run again.
I thought this deep corruption and obvious coverups were the reason for selection selecting Bondi ,Patel and Bongino .
If I recall Bongino and Patel wrote books on the Epstein subject.
I hope this makes my point more clear.
I am just thinking out loud trying to make sense of it all.
For the record ,after what President Trump has done for my country , I will be forever in his debt.
Nothing and nobody could ever change admiration I have for him.
I understand how that impenetrable membrane around the President works to focus his attention on specific matters at hand and eliminate others.
I don’t understand how his lovely, thoughtful and maternal wife, Melania, a woman of integrity, isn’t aware of the public zeitgeist on child trafficking and abuse. Her own personal feelings must come up in conversation with her husband on a variety of issues. I would think she may inject her own thoughts to gently provoke reflection on the part of her husband the President from time to time on issues dear to her heart.
President Trump is a brilliant man. He does just fine on his own. This post is silly and insulting.
You are either not married or have poor communication skills.
Good marriage partners share their thoughts and feelings. I was married for over forty years to a very successful man who always ran his thoughts and future plans by me to get my insight as someone who would always support him and have his best interest at heart.
The final decision was always his. I too had a career, in the art world in NYC. I valued my husband’s thoughts and opinions as well.
This is a valued treasure of marriage, to be able to share your thoughts and questions with your spouse, and to get a response based on love and trust.
“Melania, a woman of integrity,…” Maybe not so much – its a good thing she didn’t “inject her own thoughts to gently provoke reflection on the part of her husband the President” when it was time to overturn Roe v. Wade.
“A woman’s fundamental right of individual liberty, to her own life, grants her the authority to terminate her pregnancy if she wishes” .Melania Trump frustrates pro-life movement with abortion support | Catholic News Agency
Insulation doesn’t explain it. PDJT remembers everything that happens. He had to know this would be an issue with the base.
Here’s one potential explanation by Barry Cunningham @ ~2:58 -3:08.
https://www.youtube.com/live/mO7EncFmTkQ?si=spUpN9V93B8c9lpL
😂
That was savage.
I personally didn’t regard it as as you say savage.
I did feel it was a bit out of character.
No big deal.
Why are you trying SO HARD to convince us? Suspicious Cat!!!!
Bondi has to go
And I wish little Susie too
That’s their story and they are sticking with it.
and that story and their, sticking to it, gonna take a BIG toll on honesty, credibility.
The lie has already been told.
They’re not changing course now.
“The most likely reason for the frustration expressed is simply that President Trump is unaware …”
Let’s hope so, Sundance.
Pam Bondi is a clown. A performative mess. “Over her head” is a compliment.
Trump now knows how important justice is for his base. As for the Epstein case, it is not going away. Maybe Netanyahu needs to claim Epstein had nukes….
Once again Sundance your are spot on! Several folks told me in my travels today that this issue is making them think about jumping off the Trump train and look at Musks party. I am not there to that point yet but not happy with this from Bondi or sending weapons to Ukraine.So I can empathize with my fellow traveler’s frustration.
The weaklings will jump.
If Musk is the option to President Trump, ………, processing,……….., that is no option.
Though I am very disappointed with Sessions 2.0, and the apparent blindness
Pres Trump has to the country killing lack of justice criminals enjoy in the usa.
“If Musk is the option to President Trump, ………, processing,……….., that is no option.”
True, true, true.
According to the CNN pollster, Trump is the most popular republican POTUS in the modern era. And you have friends that are going to jump ship because of an Epstein list? Lol. Preposterous!
The America party is run by foreign technocrats pimping a platform of at carbon taxes and unlimited H1B immigration.
There are comparisons here to President Tump’s clinging to the covid injections which he eventually abandoned. Nevertheless, emminently qualified people like Richard Grenell and Ben Carson appear to have been cast aside or reduced to shadow roles. PresidentTrump did abandon the killer shots, eventually. There are reasons for optimism there.
President Trump spoke out about toxic infant vaccines as Candidate Trump. A majority of his base was not willing to question Pharma so he dropped that stinking issue. By the time Covid-19 rolled around he understood that way too many people trusted Pharma over parents of injured children and he held his tongue while Fauci, Birx&Pence poisoned the country
Many people forget this
It’s time for PJT to change out some
Of tbt inner circle
Perhaps we should not be surprised. Just think back to Hillary, all the chants of “lock her up” led by Trump at his rallies that became, oh, she’s suffered enough. Fool me once and all that.
There is no backup plan for President Trump. He is it. Period. If he can’t straighten these demons out no one can. If he fails we’re fuct.
It looks like the DS moved beyond taking out Tulsi, to, “What the hell…let’s blow up MAGA and be done with it!”
P.S. Elon has captured the MAGA frustration right in that post…Oh Lord, hear our prayers.
Never let a crisis go to waste…
A convenient issue to fire up his new “America” party.
Reminds me of what business the Tech Bros might have to do with all of this.
How can anyone be expected to have faith in Musk when he’s shown himself to be a backstabber and a traitor?
Not to mention being stupid enough to think that third party can do anything except invite the Kamala crowd back in.
He’s an hysterical child. No self control means a permanent NO for president.
There’s more to this story. Trump and Elon are writing it together. They remain united.
Particularly since, when in one of his nastier moods, Elon Musk all but asserted that President Trump was “involved” with Epstein. Not a good look.
I stand with President Trump.
i stand with the republic. and pledge allegiance to it, as well.
I stand with you both. May God have mercy on us…
I stand with accountability and justice.
I’m beyond frustrated. Trump appears to be playing stupid in the video. If he truly cannot understand why someone would want to know why and how such darkness touched so many of the rich and powerful, and why we want justice, then we need to find new leadership. He looks like a guilty man saying “look over there”. Its disgusting.
Trump should be saying…We are trying to identify those who exploited minors, no matter what; we are trying to understand how he (Epstein) was able to take his own life – given the circumstances; we are trying to understand how the critical ‘lost minute’ occurred at the most opportune time; etc. etc.
These things are all true…but, I’d rather Trump than the alternative.
I didn’t vote for “Trump, at least it’s better than Kamala”.. neither did you.
Sundance, as usual, you nailed it. Bottle Blond Bondi is so far out of her league it’s almost impossible to fathom. Throw in her willingness to do or say anything to be in or close to power and you have a clear understanding of the numerous “whys” that swirl around the DOJ. I asked this question during Trump’s previous term: How can a man so smart be so stupidly blind to those who use flattery to get close to him?
Considering who had possession of the records and the shennanigans that we saw with the SDNY game of hide the documents, it would not be too heavy a lift to say that the documents were sanitized or even substituted with bogus documents –Comey’s daughter’s fingerprints are all over the SDNY documents because she was apparently lead counsel on the case before Jeffy assumed room temp.
If we got hosed, then Trump should just say so……few of us would be surprised because we weren’t on the hook for this until January 20th.
But Trump has to be made aware that he was hosed and he should be angry enough to give the country and address from the Oval and express that indignation.
“President Trump is unaware how much the Epstein issues are -and have been- part of the background focus within the base of his support.”
I am sorry Sundance, but i do not buy this for one minute. he knows DAMNED WELL how much it has meant, and commented many times about it.
it is a proxy for the basis of our willingness to continue consenting to be governed, if these scumbags are not answering to us even when the vote is legitimate.
How would he know? You talk to him?
because he brought it up several times on the campaign trail, and he is not an idiot?
And he has a great memory.
He brought it up on the campaign trail? I don’t remember it being part of his stump speech. Got a link?
I looked into that and actually Trump did NOT bring up Epstein a lot, certainly not at rallies, and was actually quite detached when it was discussed. “I’ll look into it” means he is not interested in Trump-speak. I think people are confusing the ardent tenacity of people connected to Trump, like Bongino.
You may be thinking of the JFK files which he mentioned a lot. I don’t recall him mentioning Epstein.
I’m still holding out that he knows and in counting on some sort of reaction. If someone asked me a month or two ago how I might react if this scenario played out, my answer would be as predictable as my reaction to it.
That said, I’m left trying to imagine a scenario where this is the “best option.” All I can come up with is “don’t kill the patient when trying to cure the patient.”
There are some parasites that will kill the host if removed. The whole of civilization could well be that patient. When power vacuums occur, that’s when the WORST POSSIBLE THINGS swoop in to fill that vacuum.
Amen. A woman who survived WWII Germany has described what happened between Nazi Collapse and stable Occupation (a neighbor man being robbed and killed for a sack of potatoes, rape,
No water etc)
Stability should not be dismissed as a value
Talk of Amnesty for illegals and now this. Yes. MAGA is taking severe hits. President Trump must know this isn’t what MAGA wanted. All of this needs to be corrected before mid term elections. People won’t forget this if there’s no list. We know it’s BS.
Roger Stone, who very strongly endorsed Pam Bondi for AG, needs to wipe the egg off his face.
Musk seems to be having continuing temper tantrum. His eventual jettison from PDJT’s court gives me hope that PDJT will eventually come around on Bondi and Patel/Bongino as well.
Roger Stone was interviewed by Alex Jones earlier today. Another Treeper posted the links to Rumble or Telegram, I forget which.
Dang CreepO radar going off the charts with the Roger Stone guy. Not a fan of Bannon but maybe he knows something about Musk and Stone.
it is well know there is an ongoing feud with Roger Stone and Bannon…I also thought I had read something about Bannon doing some type of a bio/interview with Epstein at some point.
Interesting.
I’ve been listening to the 5 pm war room and didn’t hear him mention the Epstein kerfuffle once.
He talked about it briefly yesterday. I might look for that to review.
😳 Whoa. I have not heard about this before.
…but…Does the following statement really lend credibility to this claim??
FTA –
But people who spoke with Bannon around the time he was shooting the footage told BI that he was trying to improve Epstein’s public image. He also may have just wanted some of Epstein’s money.
Musk is in the Liars File.
The LORD has incredibly BLESSED Sundance!
This is, very simply, the first case in which the Trump Administration has been caught lying. And, it is not even a remotely-sustainable nor credible lie.
The American people have many years of history about what has been discovered, and what has already been said (by the same Government!).
The lie was such a terrible lie that even a very low IQ person gets it!
Well no, the first whopper to dismay me was Bill Barr on Epstein’s “Perfect Storm” suicide. That was not believable then and this other BS is equally noncredible
Just have to say, I’m extremely grateful for this site, both for the host’s learned take on things and for the subsequent comments.
Obviously he didn’t like the prison food so he killed himself. What a joke this report is. I really don’t care why Trump is out of the loop. The buck stops with him. I guess the 2020 election report stating the election was perfect is coming next.
“The buck stops with him.”
EXACTLY. some of his personnel is dogdoodoo… but HE OWNS that problem, as well.
We will probably never know the truth. Unfortunately they have caused this distraction themselves, which we don’t need as we’re working on fixing the horrible mess we’ve been in for far too long
As far as I concerned it’s like getting upset with family …..you give them an opportunity to make it right then move on…they are still family.
This is what they are counting on.
Hoping you really don’t care that our government was allowing children to be sex trafficked so they could gain blackmail material.
Our government has been turning over unaccompanied minors for organized criminal trafficking for quite a while now.
Look up Tara Rodas’ testimony before Congress.
Wow!! Explosive!!!
Could this be a red herring?
I believe that Sundace is correct. He’s been right so may times. We’ll have to see how it plays out.
No.
At best its a trial balloon to see if the American people would swallow their nonsense.
That’s why they leaked it the way they did.
There’s no way they can correct the lies they’ve already told.
They’re painted themselves in a corner.
Now they’re just going to try and run out the clock.
Sundance – you are brilliant, and I have full trust in you.
BUT – I disagree with you. President Trump has to be 100% aware of the chatter that is going on about this. He is usually pretty thick-skinned, so I find it unusual that this is bothering him, and it raises questions for me.
He’s a busy guy. How would he know?
If you know, then OF COURSE he would too!
I think PDJT was upset the reporter brought this up at the Cabinet meeting primarily concerned with the Texas tragedy and the never ending war in Ukraine/Russia. PDJT is tired of people dying. It consumes him.
Did Musk find something via DOGE? 🤔
If Bannon is not on that “list”
He needs to sue Musk HUGLY
Everyone who has an account on war room should cancel stating Musk’s accusation as the reason. Give Bannon all the ammunition to sue if it is untrue.
Scammy – ignorant to her core. But, re PDJT, no – he damn well knows all things Epstein and not blind its importance to his base … forget Wiles. If he’s been bamboozled by Wiles and Scammy its an easy fix – fire them both tomorrow. No today. Epstein’s not going away, best to “fix” it now.
Sundance,I am glad you corrected this, Bondi and Trump’s,Trump’s handlers, to this in the rest of the article”President Trump”
Listen to the X22 Report, 3680 (Sunday). Dave makes some really good points about what the DOJ and FBI are doing regarding the Epstein files.
That Q-stuff is nonsense.
Seven years ago Sundance informed us he wanted no Q talk or we would be expelled. Perhaps you were not here then. We have all honored that request.
P.S. I continued to listen to X22 for a couple years after the warning but never brought it up in 🌳🏠. I quit “I REALLY DO BELIEVE!” Dave about five years ago.
I do believe President Trump doesn’t’ understand the important of this issue with some of his base. I can even understand that I mean I know people who voted for Trump that have no idea who Epstein is. They only know immigrants are invading this country and the price of food is insane. To them thats huge, and they don’t have time to dig around in the cesspool of things.
For the first time ever, I disagree with the assessment. I think Trump does know the details of the Epstein files and both Republicans and Democrats in public office would be decimated if it were released. Why do we have immediate, sudden resignations, like Mark Green happen? Not saying he is involved, but is the Epstein information being used as a tool to take out compromised officials quietly in the Republican ranks, only to be released on the Democrats before the 2026 election? I also believe that Trump is fighting the war, not the individual battle. Losing seats in Congress as a result of any release of the Epstein information which compromises and then loses the majority to the Marxist Democrats will result in the total destruction of our country. He is smarter than Susie Wiles and I think he is holding his cards close to his vest.
Wasn’t there a “John Roberts” listed on one of the Epstein Island flight manifests?? I’m sure it was just a coincidence.
For the first time ever, I disagree with the assessment. I think Trump does know the details of the Epstein files and both Republicans and Democrats in public office would be decimated if it were released. Why do we have immediate, sudden resignations, like Mark Green happen? Not saying he is involved, but is the Epstein information being used as a tool to take out compromised officials quietly in the Republican ranks, only to be released on the Democrats before the 2026 election? I also believe that Trump is fighting the war, not the individual battle. Losing seats in Congress as a result of any release of the Epstein information which compromises and then loses the majority to the Marxist Democrats will result in the total destruction of our country. He is smarter than Susie Wiles and I think he is holding his cards close to his vest.
Very astute observations.
0.o
Mark Green cheated on his wife and he is going to take some mystery job right away.
I don’t think I agree with you, but I sure HOPE you’re right.
These Wormtongues have President Trump bubble wrapped inside a giant hamster ball.
I guess I would be a bit less uncomfortable if President Trump DIDN’T own a social media company. Is Truth Social just an echo chamber of never ending praise?
If President Trump read CTH, Zerohedge and InfoWars everyday we would not have these problems as The President would understand where most of us are at with our wants, needs, desires and demands.
I’ve never been fond of the concept of a “Memory Hole” no matter who is telling me to stuff something in it. EVER.
It has been rumored that Mrs. Trump occasionally reads here.
There have been some criticisms from commenters like me who come from a place of love,admiration and frustration in my case and I don’t think the President responds well to it.
She may have relayed unsatisfactory messages to him and he may discount the veracity of Sundances analysis and our contributions by not being able to deal with the jabs.
Sundance, the immediacy of this post suggests you’re safely back stateside.