The Big Beautiful Bill (BBB) would make Trump’s 2017 tax cuts permanent, end taxation on tips and overtime, boost border security funding and scrap green-energy tax credits passed during the Biden administration; the latter point has drawn strong opposition from Tesla CEO Elon Musk.
In a late vote Saturday the Senate passed the BBB 51-49, a procedural vote to start debate on the legislation with Republican Senators Thom Tillis and Rand Paul remaining in opposition. The bill now heads to the floor for debate and amendment which could position a full vote by the Senate Monday.
As with all large bills there are a lot of aspects that provide positive outcomes, and there are some negatives embedded within it as a result of Senators holding out on behalf of their primary lobbyist organizations. The Democrats are unified in opposition as a political strategy to weaken President Trump.
WASHINGTON DC – Senate Republicans voting in a dramatic late Saturday session narrowly cleared a key procedural step as they race to advance President Donald Trump’s package of tax breaks, spending cuts and bolstered deportation funds by his July Fourth deadline.
The tally, 51-49, came after a tumultuous night with Vice President JD Vance at the Capitol to break a potential tie. Tense scenes played out in the chamber as voting came to a standstill, dragging for more than three hours as holdout senators huddled for negotiations, and took private meetings off the floor. In the end, two Republicans opposed the motion to proceed, joining all Democrats.
It’s still a long weekend of work to come.
Republicans are using their majorities in Congress to push aside Democratic opposition, but they have run into a series of political and policy setbacks. Not all GOP lawmakers are on board with proposals to reduce spending on Medicaid, food stamps and other programs as a way to help cover the cost of extending some $3.8 trillion in Trump tax breaks.
“It’s time to get this legislation across the finish line,” said Senate Majority Leader John Thune, R-S.D.
Ahead of the expected roll call, the White House released a statement of administrative policy saying it “strongly supports passage” of the bill. Trump himself was at his golf course in Virginia on Saturday with GOP senators posting about the visit on social media.
But by nightfall, Trump was lashing out against holdouts, threatening to campaign against one Republican, Sen. Thom Tillis of North Carolina, who had announced he could not support the bill because of grave Medicaid cuts that he worried would leave many without health care in his state. Tillis and Sen. Rand Paul of Kentucky voted against.
Pressure was mounting from all sides — billionaire Elon Musk criticized the package as “utterly insane and destructive.”
The 940-page “One Big Beautiful Bill Act was released shortly before midnight Friday, and senators are expected to grind through all-night debate and amendments in the days ahead. If the Senate is able to pass it, the bill would go back to the House for a final round of votes before it could reach the White House. (more)
My personal view on the BBB surrounds the larger geopolitical implications of passage.
In my estimation there are several facets to President Trump’s domestic and foreign policy agenda that have been in a holding pattern as he awaited the Senate to take up the BBB and get it finished. President Trump did not want to stir opposition amid the Senate thereby giving them ammunition to hold the BBB hostage for other agendas.
Once the BBB is finished, passed by the Senate, reconciled in the House and signed by President Trump, I would anticipate a lot of fast-paced activity to follow.
Let’s go!
I want bunker busters dropped on the Deep State and their puppet politicians after this vote is finished.
Sounds like a plan to me.
I’ll grab the popcorn.
Take on vote ballot fraud big time… follow through on DOGE cuts… and the Dems will lose 30 seats in the House at the more honest midterm elections.
Agreed. May be a big reason why USAID was the first target. Dry up the dirty NGO money flowing back to DC.
It would be astonishing to have elections where politicians actually had to run on policy positions.
Of course, an honest American media would help sink the uniparty
Yes. Also require all employers to use
E-verify and dry up jobs for illegal aliens. Employers who are caught hiring illegals should be fined and see jail time.
Suspicious Cat should be raising an eyebrow as to why President Trump isn’t insisting on this.
That is exciting to hear. What will Trump do next! First thing I do every morning is check the news. 🤣.
My brother and I talk almost every day. My first question to him is usually, “who did Trump piss off today?!” Followed by giggles and snorts
I did something similar, but in the reverse. Every evening after dinner and as I wind down for the night and check all my favorite websites, I said “OK what did Obama and Biden do to screw us now”.
My two main sources are TCTH and Am. Thinker!
Am Thinker charges $ to comment. Otherwise a good site.
I check it right here!
Ditto!
Me too, steph! Sundance is my world barometer and true gatherer of facts! Plus, I love reading my fellow Treepers’ comments! What a time to be alive!!
Me too!
I must do a couple of readings that “centre” me first though.
Cheers to all!
Me too, Deborah. The Treeper comments are very, very, very enlightening. I also use C-Span as a primary source.
I had thought that eliminating taxes on social security was originally in the BBB, being that I’m not hearing anything about it, President Trump can begin to work on that, if not next, then very soon. He did campaign on it.
Yes, because all that is is claw back of money promised from taxation.
They couldn’t change SS because of Reconciliation rules, so they changed the standard deduction for seniors instead. Supposedly that will have the same effect.
If there is means test to this then it’s not the same effect.
No, it will NOT have same effect. They screwed over SS recipients.
how
Not really the same… the exemptions grow for everyone, even those not drawing SS. Not that that’s bad, but if the goal is to give SS relief specifically, they did fail in that.
The higher exemptions do have a sunset clause, higher income phase outs, and the overall exemption changes to read to be a little complicated on first blush.
As ever, they have simply made it harder to plan to afford retirement, and have failed to do the obvious thing: raise the taxable thesholds. Right now, the limits are basically “poverty” level and need to at least be raised to the 50K single, 100k couple range. That is what they are trying to do with the exemptions, but failing to index the taxable thresholds doesn’t keep up with inflation, and the exemptions will go away in a few years, making the problem even worse due to inflation.
The extra $4k deduction saves a senior a whipping $480 if they are at 12% tax rate. A whopping $880 if they are at the 22% tax rate.
If you have a spouse that is still working and making more than $34k year or if you are withdrawing $34k a year from your retirement funds, 85% of the SS benefits automatically become taxable.
So for someone at the 12%, you can easily hit the 12% rate. At $2500 per month in SS Benefits, the taxable portion is $15,300. So before the extra $4k deduction, you were paying $1836 in taxes on your benefits.
IMO the $4k as a deduction is crumbs to keep seniors quiet.
Yep. It doesn’t scratch the surface to making a low-to-middle income retirement affordable. Recall that seniors usually invest in interest-bearing securities, to preserve capital. So they’ve been hit by:
We might not expect all of our SS to be non-taxable, but the current exclusion limits are a joke.
Triple Bingo! Why must I get taxed again on what I made while working? That’s double jeopardy!
Tariffs can obviate the need for any income tax. A consumption tax is a better model. Buy a mega mansion, pay a nice tax(after all you can certainly afford to)
As long as basic food isn’t taxed I agree with you. Buy less, pay less taxes. But it will have the same problem as income tax eventually. I remember when my states sales tax was 3% and I believe it was even 2% before that. Now it is 5.5% and counties can add their own half % to make it 6%.
Where ever the tax is set to get it passed it will get raised. The state’s excuse for raising taxes was inflation but that is not true because wages also inflated so tax revenues would keep up with inflation. The trouble as always is increased government spending.
It was never going to happen though it was talked about. Social Security is running short and when you pay taxes on your SS the money goes back into SS. Not taxing SS would make it insolvent sooner according to the ‘experts’. How true that is I really don’t know because SS is basically a Ponzi scheme and even then the Federal government has stolen a good deal of what was paid in.
I’m with you, as another concerned Canadian!
Thank you, Sundance. Screw Thom Thills & Rand Paul… wasting everyone’s time.
President Trump is making lemonade out of the lemons he has been handed… Paul & Tillis want perfection. …
I just was to move the needle in the right direction.
I hope Tillis has enjoyed his time as a North Carolina senator…Because he will NOT be getting re-elected.
Don’t get us all excited.
Looking to help a primary opponent. Not my state, but can chip in to help. Not completely conclusive yet in what I know, but looks like Don Brown is a solid.
If you dig into his campaign web site, his record is impressive. You can find essays at American Thinker (linked at campaign site) that display his thought and effectiveness – among many other specifics.
Believe herein at the Treehouse, we can rally in group support in specific campaigns to take out specific hornless rinos. We should be able to agree on maybe half a dozen?
Thanks for the info on Don Brown. Here’s his website: https://brownfornc.com/
Hopefully Sundance and Team are assembling that list.
Don Brown was on Stinchfield last week and he really impressed me. Being a NC resident, hearing our President say he’s may primary Tillis, is music to my ears.
Much appreciate the confirm.
Yeah, but will he “win” the election?
If only our NC Republican Party was MAGA! I hope our President does campaign against him and finds a great candidate to primary him with!
The NC Republican party is mostly MAGA. The problem is machine voting, and open primaries with usually 5 or more candidates (mostly place holders that split the primary vote so that you need a June run-off ) It requires 50% to win and incumbent name recognition usually get Tillis in the run off which is made up of the top two primary vote receivers. To beat Tillis you need someone with MAGA credentials and GREAT name recognition.
In recent NC election where NC Supreme Court votes were challenged, a friend who has voted from same address for 20 years had his vote thrown out and not counted. I saw his name on a list of challenged votes. He went to the election office and had to re-register to be eligible to vote in future elections.
When he voted for President Trump and Republicans, he was required to show his DL as ID. Then, magically, his R vote was not counted. Very interesting. Nasty business happening at voting time in NC.
NC Court of Appeals
The multiple candidate establishment “splitter” strategy is indeed effective. Saw it defeat a good candidate in a congressional race (think there were 9 candidates) by about 700 votes, with an establishment hack who is still in office.
But – PDJT can make an impact. His endorsement of JD Vance in 2022 materially helped us have him succeed in a field of 7. (All the standard phony baloney – a “mom” who will fight for you, and so on.)
Notwithstanding – pitching in with time and resource, pooling effort can work. We cannot retreat, and must never quit.
You’ve probably heard by now that Tillis doesn’t plan to run for re-election, so that will change the dynamics of the Senate race in NC.
See above. Don Brown.
The state GOP is the problem and Michael Watley never helped matters.
President Trump said he’s interviewing candidates to primary Tillis who is up for reelection in 2026.
POTUS means it. He has been raising massive funding for his midterms war chest. A month ago it was $600 million –this past week it’s over $1 billion and climbing.
Ridiculous and immature. Trump is playing with fire by promising to primary the candidates who oppose his big spending bill which adds trillions to our deficit. What he will end up doing is giving the house and senate back to the Democrats. Is this what you want? N.C. is not all that conservative.
It’s important that the primaries in North Caroling run a candidate that will actually win against Tillis and also win in the General election.
Learn the lessons of Nevada, when the Tea Party was first a thing, Nevada Democrat Senator Harry Reid had some of his Democrat party operatives run in the Nevada Republican primary against a ghastly horrible really bad candidate that was never, ever going to win the general election. His operatives had wonderful pro-Tea Party commercials and then let it be known in the weeks running up to the primary they were really Democrats, shooing in the horrible no good never going to win Republican candidate to win the primary – and Harry Reid won re-election in a walk.
The NYC mayoral race is also a good example. Really New York? The only Republican candidate it could come up with was Swila, the red beret guy?
Good luck North Carolina. Dirty tricks need to be exposed early.
Sharron Angle is who you are thinking of with the Nevada election in 2010. I think she is running for NV SoS now. Curtis Sliwa has the name recognition but he is so 20 years ago.
He’s announced that he won’t seek re-election, so he knows he wasn’t representing his constituents well with his “No” vote. I suspect he’s also heard how the president’s team plans to go after Massie in the House and he’s fearfulf of what they might dig up on him.
Such as his real estate hanky – panky.
With Trump in office, we need way more than just ‘moving the needle’, republicans being who they are don’t stick together long enough to turn this country around, hopefully someone Vance can follow the Trump show for 8 total years. I sure wish the GOP could clean the party out of RINO’s politicians.
That’s up to us, the voters! Sure would help to have one-day voting with only paper ballots, and ID!!!
If the DOJ and FBI would aggressively go after ballot fraud big, this could have a yuuuge effect. Rinos are as much a part of the fraud as are the inner city dems.
i wonder if PDJT will try to get rid of Rand Paul. Maybe his term is not up soon. I think Massie is also from KY, and PDJT plans to campaign against him.
Looks like Massie’s up first for the chopping block. President Trump has already formed a PAC just to go after Massie. POTUS’ midterms war chest is massive, over a billion dollars and growing.
Rand Paul is not up for election until 2028 unfortunately.
Massie is a smart guy but has been a disappointment.
Massie, like Rand Paul is warning about the massive growth in our debt. Instead of listening to facts, Trumpers would rather listen to the show in the White House where money appears to grow on trees.
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Tillis is not a perfectionist, he’s a rino. Wants to be able to tell conservative democrats in NC that he voted against Trump for them.
The democrat party never has anything constructive to offer, do they? They don’t even act like Americans most of the time. They all represent foreign interests focused on destroying as much of the US as possible. You listen to them when they’re just yapping away, you’ll hear it. Anything they don’t like needs to be destroyed. Not reformed, repaired, corrected, improved. Only destroyed. That is the entire democrat party platform.
I’m surprised Massie voted for this bill. He seemed awfully smug when talking down about it the other day. I wonder what happened? Tillis is moaning for more money, and Paul is trying to convince the GOPe that he can be the next Mitch McConnell.
Yes, the dems and some repubs are in a place I do not understand. It’s easy enough to say corrupt, incompetent, paid-off… but their actions are more in line with, for example, the Rosenbergs (passed nuke secrets to the ussr), actively supporting policies that result in the destruction of the USA.
Exercise: list policies that will ultimately destroy a country — then check against a list of dem policies.
note: Massie ?? He is in the House and he voted against the bill. And if the bill gets out of the Senate, it will go back to the House (because the Senate made changes). Massie will again vote against it.
While they probably have honest opposition points, the opposing “R’s” use them to seek personal aggrandizement and lobbyist attention, vs doing good for America. If these “R’s” would realize that major changes come with small steps completed – be team players, win some games first to get in play-off position. Trump is proving to be a very good coach – become team player or FAFO!
Just seems the Democrats just follow Hillary Clinton’s direction back in 2016 -RESIST! That’s all they do anymore, resist. And try to stop anything and everything President Trump, Republicans want to do to fix American problems.
So much for Loyal Opposition-That went away in 2016.
The Republicans just add stuff to legislation such that other Republicans claim RESISTANCE on principles. Still just part of The Establishment UniParty.
The whole Congress is a joke. They are elected to solve American problems, but they create more problems that’s why we are a divided country and $37T in debt.
JMO
Who thinks these posers are elected by their constituents? I don’t think so. Too bad Elon Musk hasn’t found a way to fix election fraud. Could it be that he relies on massive gubmint subsidies to keep him in his lane too?
“The love of money is the root of all evil.”
Without question….case in point….Arizona.
California
Michigan
& too many others to list
Exposing and punishing vote/ballot fraud in Az is low hanging fruit on the tree IMO
Az GOP is a mess. …Remnants of that turncoat John McCain.
Fix Maricopa County (Phoenix) and you will fix the problem. It’s ripe! Lots of patriots would assist.
I could fix election fraud with a few very simple laws. Only citizens vote. They only vote in person. They must have proof of citizenship and residence, machines are not permitted to count votes, and all votes have to be counted by two people, one from each side and that being verified. Any effort to effect a vote fraudulently will result in execution.
Sounds good to me.
Execution may be a bit much. How about 20 lashes and four years hard time in a Columbian prison for the *first* offense?
SECOND offense? Firing squad. No brainer.
Exactly my feelings. Use the old KISS method:
K-eep
I-t
S-imple
S-tupid
Yes, we all could do that. We know that.
But do it State by State, in 50 different States, half of them Blue. A ton of them “Open Primary” and even a handful “ranked choice” abomination.
Voting rules are State level. Not so simple.
The “Loyal” opposition went away long before that! IMHO, it was when Obama entered the stage…
The congress (no cap c – they don’t deserve it) is made up of lunatics, losers and traitors.
What an interesting situation. First, Thomas Massie is in the House of representatives and he voted against the bill.
On a personal level I am conflicted, I support our President and I believe he can help our economy grow our way out of our debt trap (I hope). But i like the hell out of Rand Paul too; he is a libertarian and he voted true to his beliefs. He voted against the bill because of the 5T debt ceiling increase and the deficit spending. Rand’s father Ron Paul has been proven right (in my view) on fiscal policy for the last 40 years.
I just pray for our Nation…
God bless
If a person’s “principles” go contrary to America and Americans First AND a person is so dense that they cannot see the long term benefits of legislation to serve “America First” then they need to be voted out of office.
I don’t give a d*mn about Rand and his stupid “principles”. He actually wanted to cut border security. Some “principles” those are.
Besides, the CUTTING is going to occur in the RECISSION BILL That comes next.
He’s a poser, a loser, and doesn’t even understand (yeah, right) how the process is going to work.
And he went along with Mitch never allowing Trump any recess appointments.
Randall’s “perfect world” libertarian streak shines on through vis-a-vis border security.
F*ck Principles!
The same a**wipe that
did not allow President Trump recess appointments. Likely voted for the communists in the Supreme Court.
Cheers!
Except Ron Paul thinks it would be a good idea to force debt ceiling fights every 3 to 6 months instead of the 5T in the BBB. Giving Ds opportunity every few months to whine and wail and obstruct, doesn’t seem wise to me.
It isn’t.
Being a “libertarian” like Rancid Paul means slavishly following faux “principles” to the detriment of We The People. Libertarians are Twisted Sisters of the American Left.
My curiosity about Paul, Massey, Tillis and the like is raised by the fact that they were very quiet about debt during Biden’s four years. Help me. Did anyone hear them complain about the cost of an open border?
Excellent point.
One libertarian aphorism is “You can have an Open Border or a Welfare State, but you cannot have Both”
Milton Friedman.
So glad to see that not every Trump voter is buying this BBB.
“he voted true to his beliefs…”
Rand DIDN’T vote his constituents beliefs. Rand, Massie & Tillis voted their own personal beliefs. They should never be re-elected. They all have breached their fiduciary duty to their constituents.
Tillis said he’s not running for re-election. Rand & Massie, if smart, will follow suit, although I prefer public humiliation as they would both go down in flaming MAGA defeat.
SPIT! SPIT! SPIT!
From what I read, he is the next turtle.
Massie is in the House, not the Senate.
His 15 minutes to be Eeyore has not yet arrived.
You are getting your pieces of sh.. mixed up—easy to do. Massie is in the House. Tillis is in the Senate. Neither voted for the bill.
Democrat’s absurdity – success for America is a danger to society? Look at the destruction of all they have touched.
Reading about 40% of successful women receiving and needing mental treatment; skewing towards college- educated liberal , white women. Are they suffering from a mass psychosis of grievance/guilt created by people too prosperous and having too much time and money on their hands? Idleness is indeed the devil’s workshop.
While there are people who need mental help; 40% of any ostensibly normal demographic needs either antidepressants or therapy is absurd. When society veers so far from the fundamentals of society and common sense; that many see a future in pursuing nonsensical fields like gender studies, political science and countless others “studies” for which there is no real demand in society beyond that generated by government fiat without the individual feeling of accomplishment that goes with doing something that actually benefits society. Not the least of which is raising good children. Instead, people create the absurd in order to fill the void, and then demand that society congratulate them for their “courage.”
With more exposure from protests and’fight’s; slowly though it may be, the larger society recognizes that absurdity is no longer acceptable, or worse, compelled. People speak up, they take action. Commendations to Justice Thomas and Matt Walsh actually addressing the same thing.
Common sense should not have to be discarded just because “experts” say it must.
Purposeless people with time on their hands starting/creating problems where none exist; and “solutions” where none are needed.
Pardon my Massie mistake, y’all. That’s what I get for checking CTH first thing in the morning.
It says you can write off your car loan on your taxes if the car is made in America?
Does that mean foreign cars made here or is this just American companies?
The question is, what qualifies as an American made car?
Not only your question but if a car is made in America with foreign parts, is it a made in America car?
My guess is that PDJT wants manufacturing in the USA AND jobs for Americans. Period.
So, my guess is that any vehicle made in the USA by Americans will qualify. Why would he punish Americans by not including every company in the USA.
Pretty sure it means both – anything on American soil creating jobs for American citizens.
Gosh I hope its as easy as determining what production/assembly line it rolled off of. If the car came rolled off a boat, NO to the deduction. If it rolled out of an American plant, YES to the deduction.
It should be that simple, as long as nobody tries to abuse it by putting on a few parts from a boated-in car and tries to call it Made in USA. Vietnam has been doing that with electronics and other goods made in China, and it’s completely made the country of origin determination very difficult and a travesty.
VIN numbers include manufacturing origination data. Plant code I believe.
Good call. Here is the decoder:
https://www.nhtsa.gov/vin-decoder
Mft. plant clearly and concisely indicated.
Change can be achieved. Moreno defeated Sherrod Brown – a dem who literally ran for office out of college and over 50 years never had an actual job.
Went all in on support for Moreno. First, the primary was won against the GOP establishment, then ejected Brown from his 18 years in the senate. Two years earlier the same was achieved with JD Vance. This was part of the difference in enabling the passage of the bill.
Many more steps to take – Ohio House Reps are not overall great, need the governor’s office. But each step can make a difference.
“Once the BBB is finished, passed by the Senate, reconciled in the House and signed by President Trump, I would anticipate a lot of fast-paced activity to follow.”
This one sentence gives me hope…..and maybe one arrest and perp walk too?
THAT would be sweet!
I am not holding my breath on any arrests/persecutions…I don’t see how the BBB and Senate would have anything to do with ineptitude of Bondi and Kash…but maybe with some election fraud???
sometimes it’s all about the “timing” of events.
Along with a wheelbarrow full of recissions.
This statement, and also the ruling on temporary injunctions ruled by the SCOTUS. Collectively should be able to more quickly advance the agenda now.
But Congress simply MUST follow-up with legislation on the EO’s.
Did the tax on social security get quietly and secretly removed? That’s cruel.
I think that has to be done separately, by way of a different procedure
Something about the Byrd amendment or something?
I don’t understand the complicated reason why it couldn’t be eliminated that way but I heard they were trying to get around it by making the exemption extra large. Not sure if that made it in…hope so, as I was really looking forward to that one!!
They couldn’t change SS because of Reconciliation rules, so they changed the standard deduction for seniors instead. Supposedly that will have the same effect.
It is there, but not specific to social security. It raises the “standard deduction” for everybody:
Section 70102:
For married individuals filing jointly or surviving spouses: Increases from $18,000 to $23,625.
For single filers: Increases from $12,000 to $15,750. (so they increased it by 3750)
BUT:
Section 70103
They eliminated the $4,050 per person “personal deduction,” so almost a wash when combined with the above.
EXCEPT for 65+ : they keep the “personal deduction,” but increased it to $6000. So that will reduce the income that will be taxed.
But of course, being the gov’t, it is complicated, because the new personal deduction for 65+ people is reduced by 6% of the income above $75000 (single) or $150000 (married). Example (as far as I can determine): single, gross income $80000. The personal deduction will be 6000 reduced by (80000-75000)*0.06 = $300. So the deduction is reduced by 300 to 5700. A single taxpayer (age 65+) with gross 175,000 income will get 6000 – 0.06*(100000) = 0.
OK, that was too many numbers!
Here is the Senate’s version:
https://www.budget.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/the_one_big_beautiful_bill_act.pdf
In the end, they do what they always do: make it VERY difficult to plan (and pay) for the future. With the new complicated 65+ deduction/exemption formulae, their sunset clauses, and phase outs at higher incomes, projecting your tax bill becomes more impossible with each continuing resolution.
One thing they can and should have done is INDEX the taxable amounts for SS with inflation, like they have done for the actual SS payments themselves. These levels haven’t been adjusted in a long time, according to some prelim research I’ve done.
At least the tax cuts are permanent. Until they aren’t.
They basically start taxing SS at “poverty levels” given the current costs of living. It’s morally bankrupt that they haven’t raised the taxable income thresholds. They should be upwards of 50K (single)/100K (couple) by now at least…
The personal exemption has been gone since 2018 when the original Trump tax bill passed. So it’s really just maintaining the status quo. Same with the standard deduction.
You have to be careful as everything is based on the idea that the previous tax law sunsets this year, so keeping your tax in 2025 the same as it was for 2024 is called a “tax cut”.
Again, nobody sees what the Senate Parlimentarian did to the BBB. The republicans always want to destroy the working poor or rural living and the dems want to give the Country away for free to anyone who is illegal. Being raised middle class, getting married and ending up as working poor then to rise back up and deal with the Biden inflation has made our country a sick joke. None of these politicians are on the people’s side. I never had health insurance or dental for us or my kids when they were growing up. Some of my grandkids get full health insurance with orthodontist care, because their parents are working poor. While my other have to pay out of pocket and can’t afford the extra care. The system is so lopsided it’s sickening. Just cut all foreign aid and illegal alien monies off and take care of are own citizens first! Instead of handing out free needles, crack pipes and providing picnic tables for addicts outside your local hospital, why not have a program to help those individuals battle their addiction and get back on their feet? I’m so disgusted that no politician can see or feel the real problems in our country!
Our well-oiled politicians *create* the real problems we see in our country at the behest of their large donors. If only MAGAdonians could bury a stipulation in one of those 10,000 page bills (that they pass before they read), that would require CONgress to abide by every single provision they enact for us plebes up here in the nosebleed section, our nation and the free world would be in a much stronger place.
Remember they exempted themselves from Jabs Bad.
Congress exempted themselves from O-Blah-Blah-care as well.
Actually it’s the opposite; Congress was forced into Ocare.
No truer words were spoken
“Once the BBB is finished, passed by the Senate, reconciled in the House and signed by President Trump, I would anticipate a lot of fast-paced activity to follow.”
Verily. Right now, Executive needs Legislative; later, not so much.
I’m not a fan of these gargantuan hodge-podges. What happened to the single-issue bill movement? That minimizes the compromises and lets us see exactly how congress is voting. But at this point I think it’s best to pass this bill. Too much has been invested in it, and its failure would be harmful. Hopefully more serious cuts will follow later, or Trump’s prediction of the economy growing will pay down our debt.
The problem is that our debt is so high that the economy will have to grow forever in order to make a dent in the debt. Deep spending cuts have to be made and congress has to be directed away from creating new spending avenues. Congress needs to be handcuffed, literally and metaphorically.
NEXT, is a Recission Bill that CUTS $9.5 BILLION dollars from what they just passed.
You need to watch Stephen Miller on X. Anyone who defends Massie or Paul after this does not want to understand.
Mark Steyn: “It’s a good basic axiom that if you take a quart of ice-cream and a quart of dog feces and mix ’em together the result will taste more like the latter than the former. That’s the problem with the U.N.”
And this bill. It is certainly a mixed bag, hopefully not that mixed.
Stephen Miller makes a strong case, and on the whole, he’s right.
btw, this is why they stole our legislative Super-Majority Victories with Crooked Elections. And why Thune hid behind the Parliamentarians to gut some provisions.
Father God, by the authority given to us by our Lord Jesus Christ, we bind any wicked schemes in this legislation and ask that Your Wisdom and Will would prevail amongst our elected servants, in Jesus’ Mighty Name we pray, Amen!
John 15
5 “I am the vine; you are the branches. If you remain in me and I in you, you will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing. 6 If you do not remain in me, you are like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned. 7 If you remain in me and my words remain in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be done for you. 8 This is to my Father’s glory, that you bear much fruit, showing yourselves to be my disciples.
Your Glory, Lord!
There’s no time for single issue bills for POTUS Trump. If every bill took 6 months to push through… Morning would ever get done, and that’s the point.
Also would add that this is a type of bill called a reconciliation bill, that only needs a majority to pass –as opposed to the budget bill which requires 60 votes.
The reconciliation bill is a once a year chance. Can’t split it into multiple bills. Only one shot.
The catch with a reconciliation bill is two-fold.
(1) there are a ton of restrictions on what is allowed in this type of bill
AND (2) we only get 1 bite at the apple –one reconciliation bill
(I read recently there is some outside chance of a 2nd reconciliation bill in November depending on I know not what?)
Point is we want to cram as much of the MAGA agenda into this reconciliation bill which we can pass with a simple majority.
The budget bill comes up later in September and requires some Dems to reach the needed 60 votes.
Don’t think there is going to be a budget bill. There will be appropriation bills for discretionary spending.
None of us are fans of that trend.
But in this case it’s what PDJT needs to get his agenda moving.
That 68% tax increase is a sword of Damocles hanging ready. The Marxists are hoping it will be the final successful assassination attempt, not on PDJT’s body, but on his MAGA revolution.
They can’t be allowed to pull that off.
Until we get back to regular order with Congressional budgeting, this is probably the best we can hope for.
I lament the debt ceiling explosion… as do we all. We simply MUST take out the axes and continue to find the waste, fraud, and abuse.
And it’s time to push on those EO’s that the injunctions now do not apply to. Like the Dept of Education, to name one.
ALL government funding expires at the end of September 2025.
<“ALL government funding expires at the end of September 2025.”
No. Mandatory spending continues. Certain discretionary appropriations have multi-year lives and don’t expire (for example, funds for “Ship Construction, Navy” are 5-year funds).
Nor am I.
Too many places to hide (or shirk) responsibilities.
Line the issues up and vote on them, one by one. It’s not a difficult concept.
These clowns in Congress have turned OUR houses against us.
Let some sunshine in, watch the roaches scatter.
What happened is Senate cloture rules, so “reconciliation” is used to get a majority vote.
Eagle, this is Control. One chamber down. One to go. Senate vote confirmed. The President is prepared to sign. House decision now determines the clock. We’re holding at T-minus 10, waiting on the final greenlight.
It hasn’t passed the senate. They just opened it up for debate on the senate floor.
right . and that is what makes it so remarkable to me that so many supposed members of the great debating society voted against it. what were they afraid of?
Muh principles!!
Losing donations from big donors and special interest groups.
The DementoRats are beginning to have lamppost nightmares, and are hoping they can hide behind their Borg mentality.
Of course they don’t want to debate and be revealed for the thieves they are.
(And as usual, some RINOs fear sunlight even more.)
There’s strict rules on debate and then the so-called vote-arama.
After seeing that map of Chinese owned farmland in North Carolina, I’ve got a good notion exactly what Tillis’s problem is
Yep, The Kentucky obstructionists obey the same master as NC
At this point, I have to say I’m pretty tired of Rand Paul; I’m even tired of his name and his sanctimonious pontificating.
I respected the guy at one time. Nevermore.
We got Rand because of the 2012 election. Deals were made!
So simple.
The perfect is the enemy of the good.
Always insisting on perfect is how you end up with horrible.
Truth is President Trump has four years to help our country revive and renew. He hit the hammer with this bill so he can start the process. While I’m sure there is much in there that isn’t t to the liking, President Trump is out to give Americans greater freedom from worries and a sure bet for security.
Anyone taking bets on how long it will take for the BBB to be read out loud in the Senate?
Yup, the Democratics somehow forced the Senate to read the whole thing out loud before they can proceed.
Make Corey Booker read it. We know he can talk for 24 hours without a pee break.
<smiles>
PS: Kudos to the current gal reading it out loud–She is averaging only 45-50 seconds per page!
At 2:25 pm they are on page 900 (of 940). So it looks like they will finish about 3:00 pm.
They may end up regretting that.
Thar’s gold in them thar hills. Not much, but a few beautiful nuggets.
We can depend on the sunlight shown on any such gold read aloud being spotlight by our young, hardworking, truth-based, alternate media, along of course with the bully pulpit Truths and the Karoline press beatings.
So few anymore watch the full-on Marxist Pravda.
As of 10:45 am it is still going on. See https://www.senate.gov/legislative/floor_activity_pail.htm
Yeah, the estimate I’ve seen to complete the oral reading is around 4 pm. Then we will have 20 hours of debate, then start the amendment proposal and voting on them phase, then……..
Ya know, somewhere I remember that the President of the Senate(Grassley in this case) could put out a call for all Senators to be present in chambers, sure wish that had been done for the reading, debate, and amendments — I imagine that sure would have shortened up this deliberately drawn out process if all Senators had to actually be in chamber!
Seriously, I read parts of this bill. With the obtuse cross references to other sections of Federal Code, no mortal can really understand what is being added, or changed, because the context is completely obfuscated.
Some things are clear and straightforward. I assure you these are the vast minority.
That’s the problem I have even with reading it. People get the sense that everyone will understand it if they read it (or is read outloud to them) but it takes policy analysts to digest the true impact of each provision. And certainly no Senator has time to digest 940 pages of such policy discussion.
The bill is a travesty. A necessary evil perhaps in our current climate, but still a monumental failure to properly budget a country.
It is, but remember that politics is art of the possible. Submitting this part of PDJT’s fiscal package as a reconciliation (mandatory spending) bill means that passage can happen with a 51 – vote threshold in the Senate, an appropriations bill would need a 60 – vote threshold for passage according to current Senate rules. The makeup of the Senate is 53 R – 47 D. So tell me… which 7 Dem senators would cross over and vote for cloture? Stephen Miller has provided an in – depth explanation of the approach, look it up online and listen to it a few times.
For a Biden bill the democrats line up like ducks at the Peabody Hotel.
Tillis is such a wirm.
Paul is just a nutjob.
Mild surprise that Turtle and the 2 lady RINOs said yes. Gotta give Thune lots of credit for this I think.
They’ll save their ‘Nays’ for the final vote, maybe??
They voted to bring the bill to the floor for debate not for final passage.
“The Democrats are unified in opposition as a political strategy to weaken President Trump.” Do they actually know how to do anything else? It has become a tiresome toddler’s tantrum.
I just ignored and stepped over my tantrum throwing toddlers. Trump will do the same.
The Republican’ts are not as unified.
PDJT can completely ignore the Senate Dems and concentrate solely on working the recalcitrant GOP senators by using the reconciliation approach.
I guess this is what concerns Tillis. Always looking out for the lazy reprobates ripping off hard working Americans.
“We also strengthen Medicaid for those that need it and finally put a work requirement for able bodied adults.”
There is already a work requirement for able bodies adults. Obama suspended the rule for both his terms to hide the fact that his unemployment stats were fudged. For food stamps. Medicaid has only every been for the very poor. Some states don’t even have adult Medicaid. In states that have adult Medicaid it’s usually only if you have children and you make minimum wage kind of income.
Making s big deal about nothing
My understanding is that quite a few of the Medicaid requirements were lowered or dropped during COVID so Medicaid expanded by millions depending on each state’s decision to expand or not.
Every time I see BBB I think of Build Back Better. Ugh!
It’s a subtle Trump trolling for sure.
My prayer is that he has been holding off on things like LEGAL immigration (Visas) and offshoring and the labor market…Pretty much all of our congress is literally owned by global lobbyists who work against the American worker (both blue and white collar)…..tax cuts and incentives are wonderful…but meaningless if you don’t have income from a job….there is a reason we aren’t hearing about unemployment rates…the true unemployment rate —including people who have left the job market for years, people working 2 part time jobs or the underemployed—-is very high…. the poor kids who have gotten out of college this year and the past few years can’t find work….they are are living with their parents with no hope for their future, can’t even think about buying homes or having families…..I pray DJT and this administration sees all this….(oh and the housing market)
one of the issues for high school summer work, etc. is that companies are not
accepting applications on site. One must apply online and most do not ever receive
a “call back”. There is no process to differentiate candidates initially.
It’s like the old saying “a crap shoot”.
I smell residual DEI and such. Too easy to hide that kind of laziness and malfeasance in Big Data; plausible deniability.
To say the least, have not been a “fan” on Thune. Signs point to this BBB showing up on PDJT’s desk, and credit should be credited when it is there.
The Schumer drones want all 940 pages read on the floor, but shoved the “inflation reduction act” through as fast as they could.
Makes ya wonder why the ‘Republicants’ did not make them do the same on some of the Democratic’s big bills, eh ?
my take is that the democrat party has been taken over by true evil
led my maniacs whose sheeple cower in compliance
on the other side, republicans “just want to have fun!”
meaning as long as they are reelected, have money and power
they are ok with most anything. Now and then they will
raise their heads off their desks to shout “No”, but do they
really mean it? LOL That answer should be obvious.
That’s a pretty good take!
Were I Thune, I would enlist the services of 100 temporary clerks to each read 9 pages simultaneously out loud. I bet the rules don’t say anything about it having to be clear. 🙂
Wasn’t ACA something like 2000 pages… not even not read outloud, but not even read in large part by Congressional staff.
It took people like Betsy McCaughy (sp) to interpret it for us. She carried it around to all the news shows. And I bet even she only understood a small fraction of it.
Shenanigans since at least the era of Boehner’s crap sandwich.
I fundamentally don’t disagree with Rand or Massie (though Massie is just a piece of sh..).
I also believe that the debt is too high. That we need to go back to 2019 spending levels, etc. I’m 100% for that—but, let’s be realistic, MOST republicans don’t want that, so it’s NOT going to happen.
If Rand WANTS that, PUT TOGETHER a piece of legislation and get the votes for it—SIMPLE as that. If he can, great! If not, get on board with this bill. He KNOWS he can’t get that. So, Rand too is a piece of sh..
Plenty of stuff I HATE in the new bill (not only too much spending). The interest deduction on loans is a HORRIBLE idea—though it SOUNDS good. Car companies will just charge higher interest rates because they know buyers won’t care because it’s fully deductible. The question is how the bill is written. Does it come off the taxes paid or does it reduce taxable income (big difference). But regardless of that, this is much like the government getting involved in student loans—all it did was drive tuition costs higher.
Having said that—LETS GET THIS BILL PASSED! So many GREAT things in it. One of the most overlooked aspects is it’ll grow the economy. When the economy grows at 3.5-4% it’ll grow us out of the deficit (well, if they don’t keep increasing stupid spending). So, that’s REALLY the answer to Rand. Pass this bill and it’ll help cut the deficit that way.
giving tax relief to millions of Americans is a “two for”
and should be No. 1 priority:
1) American citizens will be thrilled; we are paying too much
so much so that our government has been able to
install too many boondoggle programs that do not
do one damn thing for we citizens
2) President Trump can then stop funding for these programs
and the BBB will fund those programs that are critical
(military and border security, etc.). And get rid of those who aren’t.
Additionally, I would like to figuratively ring the fed chairman’s neck.
There is no inflation and no reason not to lower interest rates.
The interest rate on our debit is outrageous and paid for by each
and every taxpayer. He is playing politics with our money.
This should be the next big fight.
So Republicans actually believe that adding 3.8 trillion to our national dept is a good idea because of Trump? Because Trump is gonna save us? LMFAO!
No. 1 step – and the tariffs will pay for it
No. 2 step – get rid of boondoggle programs that we don’t need or want
Everything is a process and I trust President Trump to get the job done
and call out those who are supposedly on our side when they
jump in the aisle to only call attention to themselves
enough of that already
Now comes the RECISSION Bill.
The CBO debt number of $3.8 T is 100% bullshit. CBO provides excuses for lazy legislators like Rand Paul, not information. CBO should go the way of USAID.
1. The BBB will not add $3.8 trillion to our national debt. That’s a lie from the lying CBO and the lying UniParty.
2. None of the above mentioned liars give a rat’s behind about the national debt. They are all getting filthy rich from corporate bribery and from looting the treasury.
3. President Trump’s BBB isn’t perfect-not even close. There’s no such thing as perfect on this earth. The BBB is good-better than any legislation from the Congress Critters in recent memory. Those who reject a good bill because it’s not perfect are the enemy of good.
4. The BBB won’t “save” America. Neither will President Trump. Salvation comes through faith in the death, resurrection and Lordship of Jesus Christ. The BBB WILL have positive outcomes for We The People and it WILL unlock the next phase of the MAGA agenda. The next phase won’t happen until/unless the BBB passes. We need this bill to pass.
I hope this clears up some of your confusion about the BBB.
Well said.
Trump CAN save us – certainly nobody else can. God has His hand on Trump. Stand by, have a little faith in the man who took a bullet to his head for we the people.
I must be getting old.
I remember when folks on this site used to bemoan the passage of massive bills that roped together all sorts of disparate issues into one behemoth. I remember when conservatives argued for single issue bills, so a straight up-or-down vote on each topic could be made for all to see, so that accountability would finally reign.
I remember when the uniparty would pull stunts like this, and folks on this site would castigate those who supported such nonsense – seeing it for what it was. And then the folks on this site would poke fun at the “Obama lemmings” who used to line up behind any bad piece of legislation, simply because Dear Leader promoted it.
“Thank goodness we’re not like THOSE guys!” “Thank goodness we’ll NEVER become like THOSE guys!”
Alas for the days of my youth.
Trump wants one big beautiful bill because obstructionists in Congress would make sure NOTHING got done at all in his 4 years. One Bill gets it done
Reconciliation bills need simple majority. Thus the bill grows to try to get everything they can in it. Otherwise the 60 vote threshold applies and the demos in their synchronized voting block will stop everything in its tracks. Sad but true.
Trump is a completely different person than Obama.
just get it done and move forward
In the current version of the bill, are state AG’s still prohibited from filing AI-related suits against the Federal government for TEN years?
Or will “Our Orwellian Control System “ be rationalized as better than a “Chinese Orwellian System”. Concerning this existential issue isn’t getting serious coverage and discussion…
This is the same thing the feds did for the internet: when it was first starting, states were not allowed to f** it up e.g. add taxes, regs, etc.
I suppose you can be concerned about new tech, and not want it to happen (so let the states create chaos). But it will happen, because it has too much of an upside. Admittedly at the cost of change and perhaps misuse.
100% agree. I’m very uncomfortable with “government control” of AI. And removing the courts from any process, is, by definition, “control”. (E.g. vaccines)
Rest assured, though, long before 10 years it up, AI will have already exceeded the ability of anyone or anything to control it. So this will somewhat a moot argument sooner, rather than later. But at this point – I am still very uncomfortable with govt controlling the technology that is likely going to direct the vast majority of our thinking, actions, and livelihoods.
I’d file the AI related lawsuits and make the courts rule against the 10th Amendment. This BBB has no more right to nullify the 10th Amendment than any other bill.
“My personal view on the BBB surrounds the larger geopolitical implications of passage.
In my estimation there are several facets to President Trump’s domestic and foreign policy agenda that have been in a holding pattern as he awaited the Senate to take up the BBB and get it finished. President Trump did not want to stir opposition amid the Senate thereby giving them ammunition to hold the BBB hostage for other agendas.”
While I agree with your analysis, this behemoth of a budget buster is not good in and of itself.
Such stubborn people just pass it! Be democrats and unite no matter what!
I still don’t like any “bill” that Politicians refer to as “Big” and “Beautiful.” 🤡
At 900+ pages, it is certainly “big.” And that’s one thing that I think we may have to constitutionally change. Many other countries impose limits on “bills.” They must be much shorter, and they much concern only one topic. Right now, we are expecting lawmakers to pass all-or-nothing “kitchen sinks.” Like this one. No one could reasonably “read it,” and even if they did object to this-or-that, they can’t excise it. The idea of a “line-item veto” Presidential power was also refused.
There is no such thing as “green” energy as envisioned by the green freaks or Elon.
It’s not possible to do everything simultaneously. There have to be priorities. 47 has gotten a lot done in 6 months. He’ll get to domestic spending. But in the meantime, it makes sense to sort of hold things in place while he works on the first priorities of trade deals and peace agreements. Israel sort of jumped their issues to the front of the line by attacking Iran and blowing up their neighborhood. OK. Fine. YOU first, THEN the budget and Ukraine.
I trust President Trump. God help us all if Biden or Harris were in office. Trump has us on a better path as he tries to undo some of the stupidity the previous person who held the office.
Exactly, that is why it had to be one bill. One and done, then power is exercised by the executive. Hold on!
many of the 47 items that were removed from the BBB must be presented in separate packages, namely no Medicaid/welfare benes for illegal aliens and defund sanctuary cities.
Don Brown is running against Tillis: https://brownfornc.com/ and AG Paxton is 9 points ahead of Cornyn in the latest polls.
God Bless America!
47? Really? Go figure.
Yes, somebody needs to hide Mike Johnson’s chair, so he can get out and get moving on legislation. They are Paul Ryan’ing us again if we don’t start screaming. We need legislative action on the EO’s, lest we lose them in 3 1/2 years.
We were promised the BBB would: 1. prohibit welfare for illegal aliens, 2. stop funding sex changes for children, 3. defund Planned Parenthood 10yrs., 4. Implement REINS Act and most importantly, reduce the deficit. IT DOES NONE OF THESE….
Tax cuts permanent eh? Well we have heard that phrase bantered about since the Reagan years. They drag it out every time they want to add sparkle to a bad bill.
And now you can get the plumber to unclog your drain for $5 if you “tip” him $150. Great idea.
There will be a lot of abuse on the OT and tips rules. That’s for certain.
“Supposed” to not tip for anything that is a core service. Must be freely and optionally given. All spelled out in such fine detail.
We’ll see how this works out. I personally expect the expectations for tips to extend to nearly every service imaginable… But I’m jaded, what do I know?
Still need to pay very close attention to and lobby with $$$ Murkowski and Susan Collins … those two could still scuttle things.
It will take at least 2 more, as VP Vance gets a vote.
Rand Paul is a bought and paid for stooge while any one of a number of samurai RINO’s, not vulnerable this election year, will do the ritual act upon command to replace Tillis.
Murkowski raised her ugly head last week, with the article discussing her thoughts on changing parties and we all know Collins goes with the bigger pay day.
You are dead set against the BBB yet your state is in a shabby state of affairs from Hurricane Helene from a year ago! WTF kind of Congress critter are you??? The Democrats always get in lock step with the Party! Repubs look like Cub Scouts that are totally lost!!!
CFP buying the BS on the BBB effect on National Debt. Kane is showing who he stands with and against.
Two things:
1. The Senate parliamentarian gutted many good things in this bill, like Medicaid reform where states are gaming the system with able bodied folks for a dollar ratio of 9 (tax payer) to 1 (state). Though the core tenets around tax cuts and border security remain, gotta take the bad with good.
2. Recisions are only good for a year. We’ll need an actual budget to make them permanent. This is where 2026 really matters, because we aren’t getting a budget with the current makeup in both houses.
My .02
Agreed.
There is a 3rd needed.
3) Remove the ability of the STATES to divert money within the STATE GRANTS to their political causes of the day … or at least force the STATES through a very difficult PUBLIC justification process to divert money as well as force a very strict accounting process for any diverted money.
I’ve said it befor in here. Why do you never hear about stoic opposition from Paul, Tillis, Muckrowski and or Collins when Dems are in control. Only when republicans are in the majority d they ever seem to be so idealistic. Total frauds and leeches upon the electorate. Always passing the plate of pork and kicking anything that resembles progress in the right direction down the road ..
Agree
Hopefully good things will start to happen.
Okay, so Tillis thinks the BBB would leave too many without health care. Think Tommy Boy, about the way Obamacare was sold as the health care package to beat all packages against what it turned out to be. Why are so many people on Medicaid now? We have to jump start the economy after 4 years of negligible (if any) growth. We need Americans to have jobs–not minimum wage entry level jobs but living wage jobs. That cannot happen if we continue to live in the days of the (joke) Inflation Reduction Act which did anything but reduce inflation or the “contributions” of Obamanomics which left far too many Americans on welfare and food stamps.
What is Rand Paul’s beef? Sure there are things in the bill that shouldn’t be. That is called give and take. For the life of me, I can’t figure why Democrat Congress creatures aren’t thrilled with their sweetheart SALT deal. They get outlandish tax deductions for their constituents all while their woke joke governors and legislators get to spend billions received by overtaxing their constituents.
In a perfect world there would be no Deep State, there would be no in-fighting, there would be no lying in Congress simply because they passed a bill that says that they can lie to the people as long as they do it from the floor of their respective house of Congress. In a more perfect world, there would be no lawfare. In the most perfect world, members of Congress would put their constituents before themselves. Alas, I put away my rose colored glasses a long time ago. We don’t live in a perfect world. We live in a world that for the past far too many years has been “ruled” by the likes of George Soros, Klaus Schwab, and the Wall Street pack of wolves rather than for, by and of the people!
“Trump isn’t just our candidate. He’s our murder weapon, and the GOP is our victim
..we good now?”
Still waiting for this to happen. Why, after six House elections since 2016, doesn’t MAGA have a 50 seat majority?
Solve that problem and you would be a trillionaire instantly.
HINT: Take a closer look at things like mail-in-balloting in supposedly safe, ‘red’ states and do that math.
All the good stuff was stripped out. Remittance tax went from 3.5% to 1%.
There must be no orthodox Jews in the Senate or House because Congress surely loves its pork!
But having vented my frustration at the way things are in lieu of the way I want them to be, the BBB, (Big Beautiful Bill not Build Back Better), must pass to keep President Trump’s agenda on a roll by fulfilling his campaign promises like permanent tax cuts, no tax on tips etc
And what a roll he’s on!
Illegal border crossings at their lowest in nearly 70 years, the amazing precision of the U.S. strike crippling Iran’s nuclear program carried out to perfection with no American casualties…(and the even more amazing cease fire Trump brokered between Israel and Iran in the aftermath of that strike), the stock market reaching record highs, inflation low, trade deficit reduced by 100 billion dollar… and blue collar wages through the roof, with real increases of nearly 2% in just five months!
Yeh, pass the Big Beautiful Bill and we’ll grow our way out of the deficit!
“Senate GOP Discovers Spine
– Puts Three Key Provisions Including Defunding of Medicare for Illegals Back In “Big Beautiful Bill” Following Parliamentarian Ruling”
GOP pushed back, reworded things a bit and got the Parliamentarian to back down.
Back in the BBB:
—Defunds Medicaid for Illegals. Removes ability of non-citizens, refugees, asylum seekers, those here on temporary protected status from enrolling in Medicare’
—Limits ability of non-citizens from qualifying for premium tax credits when purchasing healthcare thru the Affordable Care Act –1 million currently eligible would lose eligibility
—Put back in “crackdown” on Medicaid provider taxes
—Defunds gender-affirming care under Medicaid and CHIPS
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https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2025/06/new-senate-gop-discovers-spine-puts-three-key/
Sen. Mark Warner says Trump’s tax bill will be a “political albatross” for Republicans
If this were true the Democrat senators should be happy because it will destroy the Republican Party. However, if it massively helps the US economy and makes the country stronger and better governed, it will prove how bankrupt the ideas of the Democrat Party are and in the longer term hurt them far more. I suspect the Democrat politicians have not done their own cost/benefit analysis of the budget – I do not think they ever do – because it will turn their ideas on their heads.
I am not sure about the language in bill regarding medicare and medicaid. We will have to wait and see what the real time effects will be. I absolutely do think that it should be for low wage, low hours families as a backstop.
i do not think illegals should get benefits that are not given to citizens like free housing, food stamps etc.