HAT TIP to Elon Musk sycophant, Mario Nawfal, who gleefully writes:
“Elon’s DOGE just teamed up with Palantir — the AI data company co-founded by Peter Thiel — to help the IRS build a massive “mega API.”
What’s a mega API? Think of it like a giant, turbo-charged plug that lets computers talk to each other. This one would let the IRS finally access all of its scattered, ancient tax data in one place.
For 3 days straight, Palantir’s tech geniuses, DOGE officials, and IRS engineers have been locked in a digital war room, trying to modernize a system that still faxes things like it’s 1997.
It’s like giving a flip phone the powers of ChatGPT — if ChatGPT worked for the IRS and wanted your W-2s. Yes, it’s weird. Yes, it’s real.” (LINK)
Yes, Elon Musk and Palantir (CEO Alex Carp) are going to create the IRS interface that links your tax identification to all other government monitoring databases. The sourcing is HERE and HERE.
Against enormous backlash from those who believe Elon Musk, Peter Theil, Palantir and JD Vance are the saviors of our nation; while facing anger from those who define the telling of truth as a black pill – while shouting that failing to support Elon Musk is akin to attacking President Trump; CTH Previously warned about the most likely end game extensively. [HERE] and [HERE] and [HERE]
To all those voices who refuse to see what is becoming increasingly obvious, understand the core CTH baseline, we don’t care if information is uncomfortable, because the Truth has No Agenda. Here’s the explanation from WIRED:
WIRED: […] “Corcos has discussed plans for DOGE to build “one new API to rule them all,” making IRS data more easily accessible for cloud platforms, sources say. APIs, or application programming interfaces, enable different applications to exchange data, and could be used to move IRS data into the cloud. The cloud platform could become the “read center of all IRS systems,” a source with direct knowledge tells WIRED, meaning anyone with access could view and possibly manipulate all IRS data in one place.
Over the past few weeks, DOGE has requested the names of the IRS’s best engineers from agency staffers. Next week, DOGE and IRS leadership are expected to host dozens of engineers in DC so they can begin “ripping up the old systems” and building the API, an IRS engineering source tells WIRED. The goal is to have this task completed within 30 days. Sources say there have been multiple discussions about involving third-party cloud and software providers like Palantir in the implementation. (more)
This is the one Musk endeavor that will not be opposed by either wing of the DC UniParty. Remember, Palantir already has multiple government contracts in defense, intel and national security agencies throughout government.
I’m just going to cut to the chase and again outline where this is going, repeating an encapsulation we have provided repeatedly.
I’m sure there is some value in this process. In fact, I am certain that utilization of enhanced algorithmic AI software to streamline government data systems does hold merit. However, that’s not the big picture issue that concerns me.
Everything we see unfolding, from the Tech Bro alignment with Trump, to the network of influence after the election, to the selection and advisement of specific individuals to join the administration, all the way to the first-round expose’ of USAID, should be looked upon with a background forecast.
(1) gaining access to govt data was the goal; (2) monetizing the system with proprietary AI contracts (vis-a-vis Palantir) is the benefit; (3) however, a national security justified surveillance state is going to be the outcome.
As people are shocked at the USAID spending scandal unfolding, I would posit the USAID silo was chosen first for DOGE exploration specifically because the subsequent outrage would gain the highest amount of public support for the pending solution. It’s the pending solution to the crisis that we should be very focused on.
Their solution will never be about US, it will always be about THEM; what’s in their best interests. That’s their focus, not us, them.
Failing to STOP after crisis in the past always ended up with acceptance of their solution. Now we take off our shoes at the airport, go through body scans, accept pat-downs, wear masks, accept sketchy vaccines, click yes on 5,000-word terms of service for privacy statements we never read, align ourselves with Real ID, and generally accept the all-encompassing surveillance state; none of which is grounded upon liberty or freedom. It’s all based on govt control.
Yes, as poked by Musk the govt is in crisis, and just as sure as you are reading this the administrators within govt already have the solution ready to roll.
“We will use advanced technology and non-partisan AI programming, to make the government more efficient and ensure this level of corruption and wasteful spending never happens again.” That’s the selling point.
Every dollar will be tracked, monitored and oversight will be transparent and available for everyone to see. Just ignore the part where the same efficiency system is monitoring your real ID, connecting your personage to the new govt and private sector interfaces, and click “I agree” on your next federal tax filing.
Trust us Comrade citizen, the new technologically advanced DODGE approved govt system cares about responsible stewardship and you. Swear.”
The process starts by downloading government data to an AI enhanced database for review and filtration.
You forgot to pay your XXXX fees (or taxes), ATM doesn’t work for you now. Oh and whoops, you can’t renew your passport or govt compliant DL either.
The streamlining and downsizing of government through the use of AI systems is a good thing, perhaps a very good thing. However, watch out for deployment into the DHS/IRS interface because that will give rise to consequences from the newly expanded Surveillance State.
Peaceniks don’t build bombs; and those who genuinely believe in liberty do not build nor support domestic surveillance networks that can be weaponized depending on who is in power. {BACKSTORY HERE and HERE}


If anyone thinks the existing system was not ALREADY being abused, let me share a personal story. Someone who had a vendetta against me some years ago threatened to have his female cousin dig into my federal income tax returns. She was an IRS employee.
I received a letter from the IRS indicating there had been an INTERNAL breach of my tax information. I am no celebrity nor am I a high income earner.
I was suddenly audited by the IRS. I was told I owed a bunch of money to the IRS. I denied it and demanded I appear in federal tax court to present evidence of an insider having breached my tax info. I had the threat letter and the IRS notification of breach.
The demand for me to pay suddenly evaporated and I was told I owed nothing.
The IRS has been DIRTY for years so I am not persuaded by fears of changes to their data systems.
The best solution will be to DO AWAY WITH FEDERAL INCOME TAXES so criminals inside the IRS cannot use the IRS code to threaten, steal our money and abuse us.
Years ago, I had a friend who interviewed with the IRS for employment. They gleefully talked to him about the enormous power he could wield against everyone if he JOINED THEIR TEAM. He could seize bank accounts and put the fear of God in anyone he pleased.
The IRS is just another agency full of corruption.
which is why it should be abolished…
A $ is a mortgage on labor
A note
When the mortgage NOTE is deposited
Fractional reserve credits is created
This mortgage instrument
And the credit created
Are revenue and must be serviced. . .
It’s “in the code”
The Agency
Is fully corrupted
But as long as there is currency
To maintain validity and liquidity
It must be accounted for
The issue isn’t mechanics
It’s morality
And
baal worshippers bankers
The ” “NEW” ” system
Is the same system
If one “migrates” to private equity
From
Public Finance
And
One acts as Fiduciary and Executor
One is ” without ” the regulatory jurisdiction
And
It’s over reach
People need to understand that We are in a post internal revenue system
And,
Officially as of 02APR2025,
We are now in an external revenue system for raising the revenue necessary for the “operations” of the Federal Government.
If anyone voluntarily pays this Federal Government one red cent of their earnings…
Especially after DOGE…
And “magic money” computers…
You are a traitor to The United States Of America…
To hell with your tax records…
They’re irrelevant.
In God We Trust
{All others pay cash}
Trust God
Fear not
Here’s what People really need to know…
The first five words of 1A…
And
The last four words of 2A…
Exhibit 1A
“Congress shall make no law”
And
Exhibit 2A
“Shall not be infringed”
What part,
In between those phrases,
Requires and/or authorizes the establishment of Federal law enforcement ?
Answer,
NO part.
Exhibit X
A just law does not need to be administered at gunpoint.
The policing/enforcing authority for lawlessness…
Is reserved to the States respectively,
Or to The People.
In God We Trust
{All others pay cash}
Trust God
Fear not
All fine and well but we also all know the reality that at any point in time the jackboots could show up on our doorstep with a breaching tool and they are the ones disseminating the “truth” or “facts”
David, I agree but really do object…as orange is not my color.
Hubby and I read all kinds of books about the illegality of income taxes back in the 1980s and decided we were no longer going to pay what the government said we owed them.
We said we were no longer going to be traitors to the United States of America.
Don’t remember how long that went on, but most definitely remember when the Feds showed up at both our places of employment and garnished our checks.
Our “stand” against the illegalities of our government’s tax on us failed miserably.
The best solution will be to DO AWAY WITH FEDERAL INCOME TAXES
One can already
Legally pay
0% per code
There are thousands of pages
But
One only needs a few
I dislike the code as much as anyone else
But the government isn’t the answer
I self govern
And their jurisdiction
Is neutered
If a Sawyer and Lumberman from Boone North Carolina can do this
Anyone can
consumption tax…..sales tax…we already ARE paying that. So when you hear people give options don’t believe them.
mississipi changed its tax code. but what most people don’t realize is that they will more than make up for it in sales revenue.
it’s just a gambit to trick you into thinking …oh look, my state is doing me a favor.
yes, it’s not just the irs.
noting: at some point, we are going to have to have a real treehouse deep in the weeds discussion about tariffs too. I mean that. It’s about execution…not policy. how it’s done. and who gets rewarded. (spoiler: it’s not going to be you!)
God Bless America
👆👆🔥 @regitiger
Also
Bonus points for palindrome
Marge let a moody baby doom a telegram
@regitiger
I have tried for years to have discussions about financial freedom here
Many still think they can get the government
(Which is bankrupt)
And it’s governors
(Which profit from fiduciary malfeasance)
To fix the $
End the fed
End the IRS
Term limits
It’s ALLLLLL a con
And
A dead end switch the peace in the shell game
Operate in equity
Through small trusts and LLCs
And
Become your own bank
Robert Kiosaki and others
Have perfected how to operate at single digit taxation
As has President Trump
It is the ONLY real exit and
Jurisdicational Arbitrage
The US has >300M
People
And the majority
DO NOT WANT FREEDOM
this is not going to change
Until we begin to discuss
How does the system actually work
And
How do we stop playing the game
We have these discussions a lot in NH, we’re the third least taxed state, so it says over at Wallethub.
BUT we didn’t get that way magically, it’s because a whole lot of us get what you are saying.
Thank You @NHnative
It is maddening how many expect the government
To fix
The government
And if that happened
It would stay fixed
I do think New Hampshire and places with a lot of homesteading are populated by readers and having actual discussions
Between capable people
That’s what it takes to be free
Strong communities
NHnative: The only problem with New Hampshire is the states that surround it.
Until we become a genuinely holy and moral people.
He’s a tiger coming and going!
Yes, I saw that & realized what they were doing. I live in Mississippi.
And the Fed
I thought that President Trump said that the goal was for tariffs to do away with the need for federal income tax. That instead of the IRS, we would have the External Revenue Service to furnish that money we used to pay…
He says a lot of things.
Exactly. “I got them all” comes to mind.
magadonian03: Let Trump be Trump and enjoy the show while we can.
I want something with a bit more substance and longevity than a show
And he follows through on the things he says.
The external code has existed for years
It just isn’t in the code book accountants use
Because it’s
External. . .
i.e. “without”
{Outside}
It is pages
650+/-
to 1001
Look at the table of contents in any code book
Look up captive insurance
It’s on page ?? 700+/-
Well. . .
The”internal code”
Starts on page 1001
Soooooo
Page 700
Is in a different book
It’s not easy
But
It’s not impossible
But
Being free
Requires
Diligence
and none of the politicians do one iota to change that situation.
Those a holes change the code every year
It’s a constant battle
Until you move from the $
To Securities
That’s where they live
Ever since Al Capone they got a big head.
Go further….
They are a weaponized rule making, rule enforcing agency with their own courts….and as far as I can see with no meaningful Congressional oversight worth a tinker’s damn.
And they have an armed division.
The IRS is, in short, a terrorist organization.
Full stop.
It’s very frugal in NH, it always has been and it still is, it can be if you want to live a simple life. You don’t see this culture in the Massholes or New Yawkers that move here, but NH natives are very frugal types that believe our life is for living.
They call it Homesteading today, but this lifestyle is not new here at all..
I’ve known three people in my life that make very little money, by choice, because making money is not their primary goal in life, and they’ve been audited by the IRS.
If you don’t owe anyone a dime, if you don’t want for anything, if you are not a consumer, it doesn’t take a whole lot of money to live actually- even in this day and age.
They were all told that they make so little money that there was an assumption that they must be hiding income and they were audited.
All were innocent and found to be, but it was incredibly traumatizing on these people, two of which are artists and the most kind souls you can imagine. One fella works in construction, when he’s made all the money he needs for the year, he quits and goes about living his life for the rest of the year. So he works for what he needs, and that’s it, then he lives his life as he pleases and depletes his nest egg.
And for this, they wound up being audited and in debt from being forced to hire lawyers to defend them in this system that they were entirely unequipped to deal with.
I agree, it’s evil beyond description and we should do away with Federal Income Taxes..
NHnative: “And the granite of New Hampshire, in the muscles and their brains.”
That’s the NH I will always cherish.
I have been audited by the IRS every year since I switched from the Republican party to the Libertarian party. Every year, they end up owing me more money as a result. I would think that this is not a coincidence …. but who knows? Under Obama, Libertarians were designated as ‘Domestic Terrorists’ in a classified DHS memo. Made me even more stubborn and resistant to the UniParty
Classified, huh?
I totally agree with you. It is very worrisome.
Sundance,after reading this article and the one on the tariff exemptions,I can only imagine how hard it is for you to write them.
I’ve been following since 2015,and you have been a shinning light in promoting PT and an America first agenda
You and Menagerie have given so much to this community.
I will continue to pray that positive change is possible.That God leads President Trump,not Elon Musk
“I will continue to pray that positive change is possible.That God leads President Trump,not Elon Musk.”
Why would you not also pray for divine guidance and understanding from God to Mr Musk. Whom do you want of guide Mr Musk?
And now, this…
.

.
QUOTE:
”Elon Musk announced Thursday that the Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) is now targeting $150 billion in federal savings for fiscal year 2026 — dramatically scaling back earlier claims of slashing as much as $2 trillion.
Musk initially projected DOGE would deliver $2 trillion in savings by targeting government waste, fraud and abuse. That figure was halved to $1 trillion earlier this year, but Musk walked it back again at Thursday’s Cabinet meeting…”
LINK 👀 . https://dailycaller.com/2025/04/11/elon-musk-doge-donald-trump-savings-150-billion/
.
.
”….as if, on cue”….
….Elon goes from saying he’ll save us $2 TRILLION in 2026 to a paltry and statistically insignificant $150 Billion.
BUT….he and Thiel get Palantir’s AI embedded into the IRS.
Thanks President Trump!!
I see a pattern here.
I am suspicious of this billionaire from south africa having such a great effect on our nation and our lives. Frankly, I never got the impression he would be a patriot of the USA or love this nation.
There is a saying about not biting the hand that feeds you..
If you are suspicious, why isn’t PT?
That is 150B every year for 10 years.
A nothingburger.
The fed debt is $40T.
And Elon previously said $2T in 2026, then revised it to $1T….now it’s down to just $150B.
Tell me it won’t go lower while pulling my finger.
With that rate DOGE will cost us more money than they save.
Why is Elon making decisions that affect the economy? I thought he was just an investigative role.
It isn’t even savings.
Is this goal being scaled back because of the amount of Judicial pushback there has been, and that it’s been successful?
So are they cutting the savings forecast back because they can see that there is now a lot that they won’t be successful in cutting back because of the courts?
So is this cutback really a surrender to the courts?
imo….i think it has more to do with the leverage China has on our bond/debt market, because of the amount of our debt they sourced. Stock market crash equals recession: Bond market crash equals depression. The China negotiations are the most important and potentially the most consequential, which is why we will hear the most noise about their impact (trade Panda awakening debt Dragon), while simultaneously focusing our attention to Ukraine, Russia. Gaza, volcanoes, Middle East, and stupid AI simulations of a Cat 5 hurricane hitting us in April.
Not to mention college players negotiating for million dollar contracts, remembering your grandma’s depression era recipes, avian flu, and everything in dog food is bad…not to mention your lawn.
I pass on it all, trust the Lord our Father, our Savior Jesus, and will reflect in this time of repentance, sacrifice and renewal
Peace and blessings to all this season..
I’m not sure where all the equities fall in this.
I do know this through the grapevine: the cuts have been hurting many people, including vets. My guess is that that there has been feedback that too much, too quickly will have unwelcome impacts in the mid-terms. Pure speculation on my part.
$2 trillion always seemed a stretch to me; $150 billion strikes me as too little to gloat over.
and soon the mark of the beast….F that, I’d rather try and survive out in the hills and woods where I live….I can the next if need to and take the battery out of my phone…
You don’t think Shynet will have drones cruising the hinterlands at night looking for small fires and human heat signatures so as to send law enforcement after Rambo wannabes the next day? Technology will probably be advanced enough for an autonomous drone to confront you, warn you and order you back to civilization.
Don’t forget the heartbeat/carbon dioxide sensors.
Heat signatures can be thwarted by mylar, but more importantly they will focus their attention on the masses, which they herd into the cities…not expending their energy on the relatively few outliers that are spread out, hunkered down and armed up, in the hinterlands.
Stop and think about these conversations for a tad…..Frightening, no? But it’s where we are. I thought I’d see the day on PDJT watch..
Ya know, this right here is why our focus right now should be dedicated to increasing our own states rights.
And if people live in a state where this is now impossible, then they better move and fast.
NHnative: That’s exactly where my head is at. The strongest 2A states are probably the place to be; states with the strongest tradition of individualism and looking out for one’s neighbors in need, either due to tough weather, long distances or or hard times. That means the northern mountain states, the central plains states and some southern states.
It’ll be better to go out like that then waiting for an asswhippin from a terminator on your knees with your face on the floor like a muzzlem kneeling on a prayer rag.
That’s what I will be doing. **ck all this BS coming down the pike, I want no part of it.
This will be a “kinder, gentler” totalitarian state in a Brave New maga Wrapper. I knew this would happen the minute JD was announced and I have had a pit in my stomach ever since.
I’ve had that same premonition since before Trump started filling his cabinet. Something has felt off. Even the election.
The Swiss Manual on Guerrilla Warfare Advises Hiding in Atomic Ruins
Unofficial guide taught how to resist a Soviet invasion
DAVID AXE
APR 13, 2025
https://daxe.substack.com/p/the-swiss-manual-on-guerrilla-warfare
That doesn’t sound like much fun.
As Josie Wales said “Dyin’ ain’t much of a livin'”
War never is.
👍 to Josie
We must “endeavor to persevere”!
It’s always there, right below the conservative veneer; and if you wait, it surfaces.
I did not vote for Musk.
I dont think he cares
Agreed Seth, I posted here the other day that I was pissed at how Elon is treating Mr.Navarro.
Elon has been disrespectful and rude, unprofessional to a person that doesn’t deserve this at all.
I don’t care how Elon feels about him, he can keep it professional.
Navarro is one of the oddities around Trump that are more then mere lukewarm MAGA defenders.
If you want, go back and look at the exchange I had when I pointed this out. Its a great example of what cognitive dissonance/pretending looks like.
Page 1:
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2025/04/09/president-trump-raises-chinese-tariff-rate-to-125-triggers-90-day-pause-and-baseline-10-for-all-other-nations/comment-page-1/#comments
Thank you Sundance.
End the IRS.
https://www.newstarget.com/2025-01-16-trump-end-irs-replace-external-revenue-service.html
PT has made the proposal,
requires congress to pick up the ball and run with it.
To end of IRS…it would have to be end of US Corp. and it almost 155 yrs of history(1871) …are we even in the process to restore Constitutional Republic ??…or it will next 3.5 yrs be somehow “improved” VSGPDJT term#2………seen to me no one wants talk about it rather going around as cat around bowl of hot meal..
Does not compute; Income taxes came on the scene in the last century …
Old: Military Industrial Complex
New: Artificial Intelligence Industrial Complex
My less than fully informed opinion: It’s the government’s version of putting all the eggs in one basket. Much easier for nefarious characters to secure someone else’s sensitive information when there’s only one data base to hack.
Que the liberals screaming about the Trump Team creating an oligarchy in 3…2…1…….
The IRS will no longer have to rely on banks to report on your money transactions if they are over a certain amount. They will be able to see every transaction you make themselves. I wonder how the banks will like having the feds spying on everything they do? It would seem this is all Unconstitutional.
They can’t do that without a warrant.
Do a search on “know your customer” to see what they do now without a warrant.
Despite what’s transpired in the last twenty-plus years, nine out of ten people I ask, regardless of their professions or degrees, still have no clue what a fusion center is.
Most don’t appear to even know why it matters.
having lived in a country which decided to flirt with “socialism” and appeared to be moving to communism, but just in time was brought back, I am very suspicious and cynical and also developed an antennae for the creeping mental and emotional tyranny that comes with it. I’ll never forget the horrible feeling of govt involvement in every aspect of your life and even your thoughts. Folks should fear that path. I often think that when comparing democracy/capitalism and socialism/communism environments that in capitalism the govt and big business just want to steal or own your money but under socialism/communism they want to steal and own your mind too. Socialism didn’t sound bad when they talked about the benefits but they never mention all the bad stuff that comes with.
Its almost like my sons experience with renting an electric vehicle: they always talk about the good parts but never mention the simple ridiculous task of not finding charging stations and the time to fill up. His one experience was a nightmare where on the most major New York state thruway most of the charging stations were down and he had to sleep in a parking lot on a 2 hour journey form Newark airport. Since then he and I make it clear, I don’t mind substitutions on the vehicle as long as its not electric.
Socialism and technology share a common trait, in that the advantages are self-evident, the disadvantages most have to actually experience to appreciate/regret.
Socialism, even Conmunism are deceptive names for COLLECTIVISM, and they all have the hive concept, that the hive is more important than any individual in the hive, as the pretence which would be bad enough, except that is cover for the reality that there are,always a small group of people at the core, who form the “queen” and enjoy their life of royal perqs, at everyone elses expence.
Technology is merely a tool, it’s like a gun or a tractor.
It’s a tool to do a job.
It’s only going to be as good as the person using it.
Correct.
An analogue to the gun argument.
Got to be consistent!
Notice how they always promise us “safety” and convenience”….
.
…while never saying a word about preserving our liberties, nor our reliance upon God.
Even worse is the promise of “safety” while claiming the benefit is greater than the lost liberty.
But never, ever, even a jot or tittle about our inescapable reliance upon God.
You can’t really arrest someone for taking money they were given to spend as they saw fit, and spending it on really stupid stuff
or on things the name of their charity wouldn’t lead you to believe they supported.
Intentionally or unintentionally, that doesn’t address a word of what I said.
We pay an GINORMOUS surcharge, for the illusions of “Safety”, “Convenience” and “Efficiency”.
Illusions because we don’t actually GET actual, tangible safety, convenuence or even efficiency.
We pay in both $ (often up to 1000% markup!) but we also pay in a major sacrifice in QUALITY.
As an example, look at buying some baby chickens, “free ranging” them so they mostly eat bugs, harvesting the eggs and meat.
The cost, compared to the “Convenience” of buying eggs and chicken meat at the grocery store, and the “efficiency” and “safety” of haveing FDA approved eggs that are weeks old by the time you get them, meat that may have been frozen for 6 months, thats pumped full of antibiotics and God knows what,…all so that you and yourscan have the ILLUSION of Safety, Convenience and Efficiency, and to heck with your health.
1 Thess 5:3
Thank you. We need to increase our trust and reliance on Our Lord God!!!
This is a long conversation, but the roots of this Safety thing is to brainwash the dummies into thinking that we’re not safe, and not going to be safe without Daddy Government providing this Safety, that is Sooooo Important right?
They do this to of course manipulate the scared sheep into giving up more, giving more power, control and money to the government in the name of Safety.
OR saving the planet
OR for the children
OR to be FAIR and Equal..
Can you see the pattern here?
And they do this all because they don’t want us to rely on ourselves, or on God, they want us to rely on the Government.
So intelligently defined safety/clean water/education/etc. is a zero sum game for you? Society has no interest at all in setting some legal norms for unacceptable behaviors/practices?
I get the ulterior motives claim – and agree. But my solution would not be throwing it all out. That would be trading off one set of risks for another equally unattractive set of risks.
Correct me if I am wrong, but a primary motivating force for the creation of this country was the freedom to exercise one’s chosen religion; not a government purposed to install a reliance on God.
I can follow the argument as far as the importance of religions in providing a sanctioning authority for moral codes. In many instances, the basic moral precepts themselves.
But reliance upon God is an individual’s spiritual decision – not a government duty.
All I can say is, President Trump is allowing this to happen. Yes we need more financial accountability in the government, but anything done can and will be used against us.
Still waiting for all the arrests for what Elon has already found.
So the best thing to do is nothing. Leave things alone and go on as before?
“Still waiting for all the arrests for what Elon has already found”
Still waiting for pigs to be able to fly.
“Still waiting for all the arrests”
.

I’m starting to think Elon could be Trump’s handler
every where Trump goes
there he is !
I also said this early on… but was half-joking at the time.
I’m not laughing about it anymore. 😒
I think Elon’s reasoning runs to: If it can’t be avoided, it’s better we control it. Like he did with AI itself.
If it’s true that information storage is dark matter, we’ve only got, maybe, another 300 years before the gravity well rips this planet to bits or punches it through the fabric of spacetime into a black hole.
Meantime, We The People better figure out how We force that algorithm to SERVE us and not them.
You are a thinking person! People here are trying to relive The Andy Griffith Show for the rest of eternity. AI is here forever and crying into your pillow at night ain’t gonna fix it.
There are too many people and even if there wasn’t today, there will be soon. Losers think loserthink. Make having children financially impossible or even kill the ones pre born. More loserthink.
You don’t have enough to eat so everyone shares ever diminishing portions. Loserthink.
There isn’t enough land and resources so let’s cut the population with poisons, inject able and not. Loserthink
Winners think like winners and it’s not spelled “whinners”.
If a tenth of the money wasted on absolute BS like … climate change, resettling migrants/future welfare bums, solar and bird killers, carbon capturing, WAR, EVs, fantasy sex changing and worthless drugs and surgeries … was spent on space exploration and colonizing Earth Orbit the Moon and Mars … then we could teach Bronco Bama the real meaning of “Hope and Change”.
Elon Musk is a visionary. He sees things as they could be instead of how they are.
The genie is out of the bottle folks. We need to focus on what’s next instead of endless reruns of the way things used to be. I am not content with sharing smaller pizza pies. I want more pizza ovens and more pies.
Think of the excitement graduating young people could have knowing there were scores of exciting job opportunities awaiting them or the real time excitement of spending a semester living on Mars building housing or greenhouses.
Reading this thread today explains why so many Europeans from the middle ages were just content to take whatever crumbs fell off their master’s tables and why SOME decided to go to America.
Serve us? How about get rid of it?
How do propose doing that?
On another tine of the same fork, the UN has rebranded the vaccine passport program as “Digital Travel Credentials.”
[The Rag known as the Guardian] The days of fumbling around for your boarding pass or frantically checking in for a flight on the way to the airport could soon be over under imminent plans to overhaul the way we travel.
The International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO), the UN body responsible for crafting airline policy, plans to dramatically shake up existing rules for airports and airlines through the introduction of a “digital travel credential”.
This would allow passengers to store passport information on their devices to be used for travel. The changes could come into effect within three years, according to the Times….
The changes would make boarding passes and the need to check in for flights obsolete. Instead, flyers will download a “journey pass” to their phone when they book a flight. The pass will be automatically updated if any changes are made to the booking.
Passengers will also be able to upload their passports to their phone and travel through airports using their face for verification. Instead of manually checking in, which would let airlines know who intends to board their flights, airlines will instead be alerted when passengers arrive at the airport and their face is scanned….
Infrastructure upgrades at airports, including facial recognition technology and the ability to read a passport from a mobile device, would be needed for the plans to be carried out successfully.“
The ability to travel would require submitting to facial recognition technology, real-time location tracking, and credentials which can “automatically updated.” But at least we wouldn’t have to fumble anymore.
re: “The changes would make boarding passes and the need to check in for flights obsolete. Instead, …”
INSTEAD, its now ALL on this fragile device that can a) burn up if you sit on it and fold it b) get stolen by a pick pocket c) runs on a battery which might rundown at just the wrong time (also batteries age) d) get lost accidentally …
Bottom lining it: Nothing really gained.
Well…passports have been forged forever; some even lost, damaged or stolen!
The issue gets down to an acceptable form of authentication. What should that be?
keeler: With TSA facial recognition and CLEAR facial recognition, we’re practically at the point where “checking in” and boarding passes are superfluous.
Something approaching that already exists with Global Entry.
You will be subjected to the biomedical security and total surveillance state. You will eat the bugs. You will live in the pod. You will use the CBDC. Your social credit score will reflect your wrongthink.
As predicted by Sundance and others we slouch towards an intolerant, anti-God, coercive and ideologically-driven state that will reduce the citizenry to serfdom. An ugly, oppressive state that will destroy the spirit of man. A state that will crush him. An evil state that will become an incubus on his back from which he will be unable to free himself.
The diabolical system currently being implemented in the collective west and already in existence in the east is anti-God and anti-human. There is already a power in this world that is a great enemy of God and His creation. This enemy is referred to in the Bible by such names as the “Prince of this World” and the “Great Deceiver.” He hates God, Virtue, Decency, Morality, Goodness and all that God stands for with a passion. He is the original rebel against God. His name is Satan.
To understand the world as it truly is right now, you must understand Satan. His fingerprints are all over modern life- in the culture, the arts, the institutions, the moral permissiveness and the degeneracy celebrated as virtue. For a real understanding of things, you must understand sympathies, where sympathies lie. The sympathies and attitudes of the modern world are those of Satan. The masses follow him without even knowing it.
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So let’s just have Chicken Little hysteria and predict biomedical surveillance, bug-eating, and Satan instead of putting on the thinking caps and calmly figuring out some solutions. /s
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satan is the forever loser. We win!
1 Peter 5
5 In the same way, you who are younger, submit yourselves to your elders. All of you, clothe yourselves with humility toward one another, because,
“God opposes the proud
but shows favor to the humble.”
6 Humble yourselves, therefore, under God’s mighty hand, that he may lift you up in due time. 7 Cast all your anxiety on him because he cares for you.
Thanks Gipper. Always turn to His word. Solves every simple and complex situation presented by man and satan.
Humility towards one another and hold all your anxiety up to His hands. Thank you dear Lord in your son Jesus name we pray. Amen
The solution is God. Return to Him. Genuinely convert. Hasn’t happened yet, imho.
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God will fix the surveillance state?
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Yes.
I spent most of my life working in IT/IS.
There would be times I’d be at work all weekend long uploading a new OS version on a mainframe, knowing everything had to be in place, tested and up and running by 6am on Monday morning, and everything was up to me.
More times than not something would crash — something in the update would not go as the “manufacturer’s” instructions said they’d go — and the process would be in serious trouble at 2:30am on Saturday night. Just when there was no one to help me and no one to call.
What did I do?
I prayed.
I prayed and asked the Lord to show me how to fix a problem that was way beyond my skill level.
It seemed like a strange thing to do; what does a carpenter’s Son born thousands of years ago know about computers?
Silly me. He knows more about everything than all of us know, and He knows everything about the future.
Fix the surveillance state?
He knows the end from the beginning, and just like the carpenter’s Son helped me with an OS upgrade everytime I asked, He can fix the surveillance state, too.
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“I prayed and asked the Lord to show me how to fix a problem that was way beyond my skill level.”
That’s my point. God himself doesn’t do the fixing. You asked the right question. What are the suggestions and solutions.
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The surveillance state is a product of our turning away from God and His Laws!
Nothing chicken little about it Outhouse. The signs of a totalitarian surveillance state and the diabolical system implementing it are all around for those with eyes to see and ears to hear.
By your logic, voting for Trump should’ve reversed the trend toward surveillance, biomedical security and the like. Our “thinking caps” thought personnel is policy and we devised and executed a strategy.
Yesterday DHS announced the requirement to digitize ID to be able to travel. The government requires biometric data to access services over the internet. Facial recognition and geofencing were used to round up every person near the capitol on January 6th, and you know as well as I do that the NSA has been hoovering up all data on everyone on earth since before Snowden blew the whistle. Now Elon Musk is deploying AI, as Sundance says “the spiders crawling through the system” to comb the data and connect the dots.
Trump is doing this to us, as are the people on his team. If you fail to grasp the spiritual nature of the anti-God, anti-human, and anti-life system being deployed, or to recognize the obvious signs of diabolical influence in the culture, the government, and all our institutions, you’re part of the problem. I will pray the scales are removed from your eyes.
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I would prefer that you pray for God to give you and me and others the cognitive strength to come up with some ideas regarding what to do — and then share them — rather than for me to “see” something hopelessly evil and embrace a scared defeatist attitude.
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Thank you. Exactly.
You are right that God’s victory is already assured. What you are failing to recognize is that God also severely chastises the unfaithful throughout history. The flood of Noah, Sodom and Gomorra, WWI, WWII, the voodoo capital of the US during Katrina, the tsunami in the pedo capitol of the world in Thailand, and Haiti whose president consecrated their country to a demon. Haiti which shares a land mass with the Dominican Republic, whose president consecrated their country to the Sacred Heart of Jesus and that has avoided all the calamity of its neighbor.
Our country and culture tolerate and even encourage sexual degeneracy, blaspheme, sodomitical “marriage,” transgenderism, contraception, no fault divorce, erosion of the nuclear family, transhumanism, wars of imperialism, regime change, weapons exportation, religious conflict, usury, debt slavery, money worship, and child sacrifice to moloch that annually kills more innocent human beings than all other diseases and accidents combined.
Do we not deserve a chastisement to make men tremble ?
We have been given over to evil rulers because of our unrepented sins.
Could this be why Musk changed his clothing from Blue to Red and sidled up to President Trump to help him win the election? Like all donors, what did he want in return? He said he loves what our Republic stands for and he may be sincere. Or he may not be.
He’s not. He’s marketing, just like Zuckerberg.
And PDJT is too thick headed to see through the guise? Or he is part of the ruse?
(It’s the pending solution to the crisis that we should be very focused on.
Their solution will never be about US, it will always be about THEM; what’s in their best interests. That’s their focus, not us, them.)
How many times will Lucy keep getting to hold this football?
When are we going to wake up?
God, save America.
Please.
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“You forgot to pay your XXXX fees (or taxes), ATM doesn’t work for you now. Oh and whoops, you can’t renew your passport or govt compliant DL either.”
Okay, maybe. So you won’t be able to cheat and not pay your parking tickets or taxes or whatever because the government has updated computer systems, not isolated agencies. That’s a bummer but if ObamaCo. or Bush were in office, and granted this power to Zuckerberg or Bezos or Gates (which it would do quietly and under the radar), it certainly wouldn’t be better. There is no way to stop this that I can see, and no ideas or solutions being offered.
Canada already was able to freeze protesting truckers’ bank accounts. Without AI or Peter Theil.
Perhaps bank reporting rules — that, note, already exist — should be changed? Here’s your arguable violation of the Fourth Amendment — reporting to the government about private transactions without probable cause. And perhaps there should be more populist resistance to “doing everything electronically”? What else?
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I’m headed in your direction.
Independent/trustworthy/regular oversight (incidentally, AI could assist with this as well).
Equal accountability for all under a trustworthy legal/judicial system.
Fear not!
The “mark” you will soon be required to have placed upon your forehead or right hand will relieve you of the need to carry anything with you! No more credit cards, cash, or cell phone.
It’s for your CONVENIENCE and your SAFETY!
Trust us.
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We can’t be free people and then be surveilled and controlled.
This is not a government by consent that does any such thing.
Can someone please explain to me how the direction we’re being taken to is even Constitutional?
Please define free first.
I’ll start with the assumption that you do not mean man in a state of nature.
I agree with your resistance to extremes. But need some clarity on what free means in a society.
Your level of risk tolerance may not be the same as mine or someone living in the inner circles of the Chicago Inferno.
It is later than you think.
for the gates of Hell.
The Sack of Rome: Elon Musk’s Digital Coup–Naomi Wolf:
“…While we are all cheering the headlines generated by Musk finding newsworthy waste and corruption to eviscerate [now shrunken from a 2 Trillion estimate to a paltry 150 billion-ed.], we are enthralled; yet we are not noticing that five young adults and the teenager may be tiptoeing out the door right now, with all our earthly goods.
The “Everything App”: Big Brother?
Apart from the concern about a potential massive IP breach and a certain massive privacy breach, there is the worry about what it means for all of us that Musk can see, and thus combine, datasets from different agencies and then filter them together.
The last of the great protected digital spaces is in the hands of your government. I know, again, that you may hate the government; but our US government is pretty clean when it comes to how it handles our data, compared to countries in which the governments just hands over dissidents’ addresses to thugs or militias, or lift out their personal secrets for purposes of blackmail.
In America what you earn, what you pay on your tax records, your contracts if you do business with the government; your medical records within government programs such as Medicaid or the VA; where you live, who your family members are — are all confidential. Because of various regulations, and the Fourth Amendment, these are privacy-protected records. They are also housed separately within the government, which is very important for your liberty.
That is, the people who know where you live, the Bureau of the Census, cannot co-ordinate datasets with the people in Medicaid or the VA who know whether or not you are vaccinated, or if you have ever been treated for drug addiction, and they in turn cannot coordinate datasets with the people in the IRS who know whether or not you have a balloon mortgage that is about to rise sharply in cost, which can permit, in other nations, secret pressure on you, or on the lender.
But the person who can have access to all of those datasets can map and then filter those queries with the existing datasets of agency after agency, so that a “control grid” can be easily created.
When that happens, it will be an X-ray onto everyone’s vulnerabilities — including President Trump’s, his companies’, and his donors,’ and their companies’.
A major reason I am screaming abut these dangers is that I have experienced personally what can happen to a life when even a few of the tissue-thin protections of our Fourth Amendment, are breached, at the government and Broligarch levels working together.
One of the scariest moments in my life was when discovery records for Murthy v Missouri, the lawsuit against the Biden administration pressuring social media platforms for censoring dissidents, emerged. My lawyer Scott Street showed me my accurate 2021 tweet — the one warning of menstrual damage from the mRNA injection — that led Jack Dorsey’s Twitter to cancel me in 2021, and to seed identical negative stories about me, that still exist, in the world’s media.
Carol Crawford of the CDC was on the email chain pressuring social media companies and her own colleagues to censor tweets such as mine.
But also on the email exchange were personnel from the US Bureau of the Census.
Why? The only reason I could imagine would be that they know where I live; the CDC does not.
The second scariest moment was when, at the end of the Biden administration, the IRS kept not counting checks I sent in for taxes due, and thus kept escalating their demands to see my internal financial records.
I have no financial secrets; but I knew from Canada, that debanking me, or causing me the many other kinds of financial or legal mayhem that critics of the Biden regime have endured, begins with “fishing expeditions” such as those.
Musk may now have the records of where everyone banks, with whom they may have loans or mortgages; he can combine these with records of where everyone lives, and who their dependents are; he can combine all that with records of what medical treatments they have now and had in the past, and in turn combine that with contracts for their businesses (which contracts in many cases will reveal protected trade secrets, such as the vendors of software for digital companies); Musk can combine these in turn with government contract details. He can also make a map with X rays of all of his business competitors; this would be a crime, according to Fitts, if a government employee did it, as he or she is prevented from using government content to his or her own separate financial benefit.
The separation of agencies’ datasets, under normal circumstances, and past privacy safeguards, all meant that no one could create a social credit score with the US government’s data, let alone use to it to target dissidents and critics.
Now that protection is gone.
With these various filters on combined datasets, Elon Musk could out-compete any business — and also target any enemy. Musk does not even have to give the control grid to the government, which would be stopped by the courts, in any case, from using it.
Think about this. The President can’t use this theoretical control grid. But Elon Musk could.
Depending on where the data now live, which we don’t really know, Musk could keep this “everything app”, which he has promised to build, for his own purposes. Right now Musk describes the proposed “everything app” — which, interestingly, he announced at the end of last month — as combining payments and socials, just like the social credit system does in China.
His “everything app” could easily add, with these government datasets, medical records, vaccine records, mental health treatments, social networks, contracts, personal locations. A turnkey Big Brother social credit score.
Musk can do anything to anyone with little fear of reprisal — destroy any career, as Twitter did mine — because all future litigation will be a minefield; Musk will be able to see any future litigant’s income and tax returns. (President Trump just settled his class action lawsuit with Musk for Twitter’s censorship of him. I was a co-plaintiff along with President Trump and others. While I can‘t discuss the details of the case, you can imagine the impact on any plaintiff of realizing that Musk, the defendant, could in theory see the plaintiffs’ financial records during litigation.)
With his “everything app” loading up government datasets and filtering them, Musk would be able to wield powerful leverage against — even target — any Prime Minister, any donors, including the RNC’s; any company, any dissidents, and any party, including the Republican Party.
Indeed, he can target any President.
The Value of Government Data
President Trump and the MAGA team, whose leadership is almost all from the pre-internet generation, may not understand the financial value to Silicon Valley of Elon Musk having potentially breached these data already.
But the Broligarchs certainly do understand the value of this, a value so vast it almost cannot be described.
What Musk and his engineers accessed over their weekend alone with our data, is a government, of course, holding the records of the civic business of Americans; but in a digital era, evaluated inside of a digital economy, it is also an unimaginably valuable gold mine. …”
re: ” The “Everything App”: Big Brother? ”
Choose not to participate w/the Everything App.
Crap!
David Sacks is the administrations AI chief, right? I ask because Im curious if there was specific reason why hes not mentioned in this post.
This brings me to the technology group who are creating the system unwittingly supported by President Trump. Peter Thiel (Palantir), Elon Musk (xAI, SpaceX), Larry Ellison (Oracle), David Sacks ….
Ditch your phone, poke out an eye of the Surveillance State

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I’ve said this for years..
I’m old enough to have lived perfectly fine without any sort of technology at all.. I could happily go back to a rotary phone with a cord tethering me to the wall- for all I care.
Frankly, it was having kids in school that forced me to have to move quite a bit more up with the times than I ever cared to do.
So here I am, BUT lemme tell ya, there will be a day when I go back to the boondocks.
We’ve chosen our enslavement.
When we see far more people leaving the system, we’ll know we’ve gotten somewhere.
I’m encouraged by the amount of people out there roaming around the country in RVs, Schoolies and Tiny Houses, they are as untethered as possible and truly walking the talk.
This is what leaving it all looks like in this day and age.
I don’t believe in “You’ll Own Nothing And Be Happy”, BUT we do need to take a good look at the system that owning things forces us to then be a part of.
The more you think about this and understand it, the more you don’t want a whole lot.
To my mind, true old fashioned Conservatism is the way forward.
Do your level best not to give them a dime of your money because it’s growing the problem.. choose not to participate.
Giving up the phone is just the beginning.
A rotary phone is a type of technology.
Any type of communication can be intercepted.
There are interception capabilities that would surprise – from a believability point-of-view.
There are many ways to aggregate data into a bigger picture – doesn’t have to be an immediate, comprehensive piece of information.
Your concern is a valid one; especially these days. No argument on that.
I prefer making technology work for me securely and responsibly. Not giving it up to live a life that suits the preferences/lifestyle choices of others. That’s what concerns me at times when I follow some posters here abouts.
I’m not interested in all the materialism/ideological aspects to how the choice is made: I want to be free to make any choice I prefer that basically fits the Golden Rule.
People think they are so magnificent and important that it belittles their grandeur to have to suffer the horrendous intrusion of being patted down at the airport, removing their shoes, having their luggage searched and walking through a body scanner.
Put your money where your mouth is and start introducing flights where none of this happens. After a few jet liners are blown to smithereens by jihadist terrorists, maybe you’ll come to your senses.
Or drive!
I drive. But that is not so safe either…nor is staying in a hotel overnight…even the pricey ones.
When was the last time they stopped a jihadee at the tsa?
This is exactly why I’ve been hoping that the Trump administration is monitoring this site. The president of all people knows that FISA was abused by the IC, and the Tea Party knows that IRS data was misused by Lois Lerner at the behest of one BHO and the contemptible Eric Holder. So far, there have been no consequences for FISA and IRS abuses. No exactly deterrence, is it?
Accountability. Indeed.
Which gets to law enforcement and evidence.
Your conclusion is spot on.
“Peaceniks don’t build bombs; and those who genuinely believe in liberty do not build nor support domestic surveillance networks that can be weaponized depending on who is in power. “
I seem to recall reading that some people opposed building the intercontinental railroad, and later interstate highways, because they were concerned about how they could be used to transport federal troops, and their supplys, to oppress the people.
“Palantir received the highest FedRAMP approval this past December for its entire product suite, including Palantir Federal Cloud Service which provides a cloud environment for federal agencies to implement the company’s software platforms, like Gotham and Foundry. FedRAMP stands for Federal Risk and Authorization Management Program and assesses cloud products for security risks before governmental use.
“We love disruption and whatever is good for America will be good for Americans and very good for Palantir,” Palantir CEO Alex Karp said in a February earnings call. “Disruption at the end of the day exposes things that aren’t working. There will be ups and downs. This is a revolution, some people are going to get their heads cut off.””
https://www.wired.com/story/doge-hackathon-irs-data-palantir/
“….some people are going to get their heads cut off.””
Like Bosnia Christians, Ukranian Christians, Palestinian Christians, Syrian Christians.
Remember, Alex Karp bragged he targeted and tracked the J6 dissenters, and abused Hippa to target anyone that declined the poison vaccine?
If we could only identify a objective pattern…. of what’s not working for their agenda?
hmm…
Unfortunately that horse has left the barn.
Remember faith in Jesus Christ our King our Redeemer frees you from the burden of this world.
This Holy Week should remind all of us the redemption we have seen for this nation in a short period of time. If you think God has forsaken us I think you may as well start building a golden calf.
Your prayers have more power than you will ever know. To this day Trump is alive due to righteous Christians praying.
I suggest asking the Holy Spirit what his plan is for you. Praise God this week for his work saving America . Spend time intercession for America and your family. Then ask God what you should do.
It is great to have a realistic view of what the world does. Knowing your enemy is very important. But also know God has more power than you can even imagine.
Matthew 18:18-20 NKJV
“Assuredly, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven. [19] “Again I say to you that if two of you agree on earth concerning anything that they ask, it will be done for them by My Father in heaven. [20] For where two or three are gathered together in My name, I am there in the midst of them.”
Amen!
Very nice…
I have to add if you want to find the power of prayer. Look at this book: “Prayers that Rout Demons”. By John Eckhardt. You might rethink prayer.
“I pray for the leaders of my nation to come to the light (Isa. 60:3). I make supplication, prayer, intercession, and give thanks for all the people of my nation and for the leaders of my nation, that I might live a peaceable life in all godliness and honesty (1 Tim. 2:1–2). Let our leaders be just, and let them rule by the fear of the Lord (2 Sam. 23:3).”
― John Eckhardt, Prayers That Rout Demons: Prayers for Defeating Demons and Overthrowing the Powers of Darkness
https://www.goodreads.com/work/quotes/2703200-prayers-that-rout-demons
The book is affordable from 8-22 dollars.
I’m almost at a loss for words. Seems the future is the surveillance state, run by the tech bros (initially). So I guess ‘income taxes (under $150k)’ is just a head fake.
That should read ‘no income taxes . . .’
“Their solution will never be about US, it will always be about THEM; what’s in their best interests. That’s their focus, not us, them.”
^^^THIS^^^
Always and forever in all things, whether we are talking about the Tech Bros, the Global Elites, the party bosses (of BOTH parties), the MSM, and, to be brutally honest, almost every human being who has or ever will walk the planet, because we are ALL born broken! The few who are willing to admit it usually try to curb their baser impulses, while the rest “Do Unto Others” and then split with their profits before they get caught!
I’ve been using mainly cash for two years now. It was strange at first, having been a “card Queen” ever since credit cards were introduced.
What amazed me was the blasè staff at payment centres (post offices, shops etc) as they counted out the thousands of dollars I handed over (rates, utulities, purchases, etc).
I realised that a sizable proportion of the population still uses cash and institutions are set up to receive cash.
Then there is the muslim system.
And don’t forget the pennies…that was an issue…
whatever can be used for good can also be used for evil, and will be. is the chance that something might be used for good worth the certainty that it will be used for evil?
I’m asking you, Elong. Get your AI to find this inquiry and report back.
I am not against modernizing government computer systems and making government efficient. If that is what people are doing, it is great. If checks and balances make sure fraudulent NGO schemes are shut down, even better. But your data needs to belong to you, and you alone.
All true and good and right; up to the point where our data and the processing thereof is/was monetized. Sadly, that train has sailed.
Social Security Administration ‘will be using X to communicate’ moving forward
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5245029-social-security-administration-social-platform-x-releases/?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR7W7VlXjEqOXlgmNjZGUa_0j_MS7kmv9bTqDEnoIFxKueBWdktVbEKsa-vNdQ_aem_sgxDXBxYUMOb3OsCcImm9g
I am sure this has not been discussed here yet. How is this even legal?
A big thank you to each of you here. /s
Here’s a dilemma. In the first part of this interview by Shawn Ryan of Palantir’s Chief Technology Officer, that man perfectly describes the Silo System which Sundance has outlined, as far as agencies not talking to/sharing info to other agencies and what the DOGE people are doing to fix it – and then is the dilemma that we know, once the government has been fully streamlined, updated, tweaked so that it is the latest technology it’s just one step before the next group of bureaucrats step in and pull another Obama, and then this beautifully updated, tweaked government system is fully, irretrievably weaponized.
The question is – how to update to stop the theft and fraud that these DOGE audits are exposing while not allowing for a future Administration to turn it into the Beast?
here’s the interview for those interested; it’s 2 hr 20 min. but it is in the first 40 minutes or so that as the guest describes what he’s seen and experienced in working with govt systems sure sounds like another way of outlining how the govt. silo system works:
The question is, how do we make it an imperative no-go-past point to update what definitely needs updating while not letting it go that extra intrusive step? Similar to Sundance’s tweet/X about traveling through foreign airports vs the old system in the US of still having to take off shoes? The foreign system I’m assuming is updated with the latest surveillance technology re luggage, body scans, etc while here, it’s still hand pat-downs and wands. Update is needed, but who draws the line of too much updating? How does that get dealt with while honoring the spirit of the 4th Amendment?
Sundance is 100% on this, in my opinion, it’s the how to stop after the crisis, after the needed fixes are put in place, what is it we as citizens can and should do to make sure a true line in the sand is drawn – is establishing such a line to not cross even possible?
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The only thing I can come up with is to curb the Fed, deregulate banks, and demand that transaction reporting laws (ostensibly to end “money laundering”) be banned as against the Fourth Amendment unless there is probable cause.
No one else is offering any usable suggestions.
Where has everyone been the past 20-30 years? Don’t attach yourself to a smart phone GPS tracker, lobby for landlines, support USPS/snailmail, ditch Internet of Things, lobby for vehicle deregulation and vehicles that are strictly mechanical not computer devices, use cash for stuff, insist on paper billing and write checks, get “inept” and play stupid, and refuse to enter your medical info electronically, refuse to do contracts or pay taxes electronically, restrain yourself from putting your life on social media…
Where was all the freaking out about the “surveillance state” when everyone attached themselves to those GPS tracking devices. Which, by the way, also are dementing the developing brains of our children.
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This has been my approach; retained the landline but having to get a cell phone so opted for a flip phone, due to all the C-19 deaths in my circle over the past few years had to come out of retirement and take on running a business and thankfully I did it all by paper before retirement so kept that process going and when the cloud is necessary for sharing the large files they are set to automatic delete within 48 hours, and yes – snail mail, so it’s been easy to do most things off line.
But – I went ahead and got the Real ID back in 2012 and if people are going to insist on only US citizens voting, it will be by presenting the Real ID because one must prove they are a citizen to get one.
Double edged sword is one way of looking at it.
My concept, and not sure how to get there, is to bring into as high a profile in the consciousness of people as possible the rights granted by the Fourth Amendment so that retaining them becomes a priority.
I had imagined a high profile, on television, a trial of the Crossfire Hurricane people including the judges on the FISC who were so lazy in their duties to verify the information provided in the warrants that the fourth branch of government was able to run roughshod over the entire Constitution;
some way to show the forgotten (by the politicians) Americans that this Fourth Amendment is core to the other rights being retained; I’m still angry over the raid of Mar-A-Lago and that agents of our govt went through both First Lady Melania intimate drawers and even their son Barron’s room was tossed. If that can be brought home to the average American, thinking of what the J6’rs went through too, wrapped in the promise of the rights guaranteed in the fourth, then there may be some means of ensuring the AI code writers create a firewall that each individual will be able to hold close to guarantee blocking non-warrant intrusion, similar to how the bitcoin wallet codes work guarantee.
Getting there, and having everyone want to get there, is another story.
Vis your last para: the same has been said about TV, newspapers, books, etc., over the course of history – to include various religious institutions that defined heretical in various ways.
Stopping technical change is not going to happen. Luddism or isolationism isn’t a solution that fits everyone’s notion of freedom.
Some better risk management solution is going to have to be found.
I’ve come around much quicker than I expected, in this regard, to the incessant (but legitimate) clamor of some for perp walking precisely law breakers who weaponized the system. Originally, I thought PDJT had to lay the groundwork with other changes first.
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It’s a national ID. SO WHAT. Like the state governments are so flipping benign? I’d lay money that Mary Talley Bowden MD didn’t give a microsecond of thought to posting her opinion on the twatter with her GPS tracking device.
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Hm,…what happened to the “President Trump goes for Optimal solutions” which Maquis posts every nite on the Presidential thread?
I think its quite probable that the powers that COULD lead us to a dystopian nightmare, ARE inevitable.
That they will lead to a dystopian nightmare is not.
Meanwhile, we have the dystopian nightmare right in front of us, which includes a 35 Trillion deficit, and an entrenched Globullust cabal, both within the U.S. Govt. and almost all other Western Govt.s that are insane, homicidally, mass murdering insane.
And, thats our REALITY, RIGHT NOW, not in some distant future, or even 4 years away.
For at least 20 years, a major form of fraud, actually run out of the prisons, has been to defraud the IRS.
And, because the IRS has 3 seperate computer systems, unable to talk to each other, attempts to stop this fraud have been handicapped and invariably retroactive.
The honestly have no idea how many Billions have been syphoned off every year for the last 20+ years…from this one scam alone.
It involves using the earned income credit, listing the wage earner at a minimum wage job, with 5 kids, each ‘worth’ $3000+…and no taxable income as they are below the required amt.
We have KNOWN about this, its been written about for years, but little has actually been done to stop it.
The next Leftist President will immediately disable any and all IT systems created under Trump.
Why? Because they were created under Trump.
Fix the fraud and there will be no next left wing President .
You can bet it will be weaponized at some point
This should be a major news story with a ton of traction, and it would be in a country with elected (and otherwise) representatives who truly care about liberty as much as they vocalize about “saving democracy”. If the arrogance behind this wasn’t so dangerous and far-reaching, the irony might actually be funny.
The fact that they pick the one agency that is utterly, completely and inextricably tied in to every single American from birth to death and is operated by a single centralized authority, and it fails to raise massive alarm bells, (especially in the MAGA-Verse outside this) is huge.
The problems/corruption that DOGE is uncovering and publicizing (in part) are all systemic to the federal government fall into one clear category.
It’s not about the collection of money (taxes).
It’s not about how money is earned (wages).
It’s not about how money is grown (investment).
It’s about how money is MISALLOCATED and MISSPENT. Period.
This tells you where Musk’s true allegiances lie.
What aspects of DOGE operations have been focused on corruption/malfeasance by the public? Answer: None.
So why then is the IRS even a thought, let alone a priority, for Musk? Why not implement a “mega API” at the GAO where real time DOGE monetary surveillance (sunlight) on the scale of trillions of dollars is actually needed?
Where the public would clearly benefit by full transparency and thus greater accountability of government?
It’s looking like President Trump is going to have to rein in Musk and the Tech Bros and soon. Instead of giving sweetheart exemptions to their foreign-manufactured bottom lines, perhaps a policy directive that puts them to work for us.
Less “surveillance state” and more “surveillance of the state”
That simply isn’t true.
DOGE has uncovered large amounts of fraud.
Your logic ultimately questions the targets – not the information searching.
Are you also implying that PDJT never set the goals and objectives? His expectations? Exercised his leadership duties?
This is the NSA 702 query (and database) problem revisited; only within a different government ownership space.
There are ways to integrate databases while controlling access; there are technical means for enforcing privacy laws; there are ways to monitor and control properly labeled information flows (variants of cross domain solutions).
My observation over time has been that enforcement of existing policy – especially privacy – is usually given short shrift. Therein lies a good piece of the problem.
I’m also a bit confused. Wasn’t the conversation over a DNI nomination focused on ensuring that all source intelligence fusion reached the president consonant with demands of the NSC leadership and monitored/controlled by the DNI? Isn’t that what anti-silo’ing was all about?
I’m not arguing that this legitimizes fusing our personal data. However, the technology involved is very similar.
look, i like what elon is doing right now.
the despicable waste, fraud, and abuse of our taxpayer dollars by an out of control government
needs somebody of his caliber to even get their arms around it.
his expertise is sorely needed, and benefits PT greatly.
will i always like what elon is doing?
don’t know.
don’t think we’ve crossed that bridge yet, including this one.
the pragmatic commenters are right about AI and surveillance – it’s already here, and no going back
(remember the famous uncontrolled “queries” of the NSA database 10 years ago?)
SOME kind of national identity verification is needed that precludes exploitable loopholes.
how many illegals, fraudsters, and crooked liberals (think chelsea clinton) do we already support??
what safeguards are built in is the fight now.
that is where energies should be focused.
NOW is the time to make your voice heard and ensure constitutional protections are understood and respected.
it ain’t ideal, but i hate to see opportunities for shaping things a little better be squandered due to defeatism.
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Thank you.
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Eric Holder got discs from IRS official Lois Lerner targetting Tea Party members. This had the blessing of the RINO’s.
I fail to see how government systems being disorganized and antiquated protects Americans.
It was and IS easy for them to punish any American that they want to.
J6, Tea Party, True the Vote, Infowars, and on and on.
The real issue is not what system is used. The real issue is why do we tolerate ANY of this abuse at all?
Admin: Sorry for the typo in my posting earlier.
Eric Holder got discs from IRS official Lois Lerner targetting Tea Party members. This had the blessing of the RINO’s.
I fail to see how government systems being disorganized and antiquated protects Americans.
It was and IS easy for them to punish any American that they want to.
J6, Tea Party, True the Vote, Infowars, and on and on.
The real issue is not what system is used. The real issue is why do we tolerate ANY of this abuse at all?
Hello, I understand and agree with Sundance’s concerns. However, I worked for a software company named CSC in the 1990’s. They won a huge contract to modernize the IRS database system around 1998. I remember the big VP saying that the current IRS dbase was the largest flat file in the world. I left in 2000 and suspect CSC may not have made much progress.
I said all that to say the government has been wanting to modernize the IRS for over 25 years. The surveillance state has actually been delayed; not accelerated.
Thanks,
Steve B
So, in essence, CBDC (or some form of it) has arrived and will be implemented. Can’t wait to scan my membership card at COSTCO! They’ll probably pull me aside and frisk me. 💩
Surveillance isn’t the only problem. There is also another problem. A security problem. This is why you turn the autists loose to ferret out and get to the bottom of a problem, like finding fraud and waste, but you never, ever, EVER let the autists devise the solution.
There is a security aspect to having information spread all over the place, not interfacing. Someone takes down part of it, hacks it, whatever, the rest is still intact. Their solution here is akin to discovering that a client’s savings are spread all over the place in multiple accounts at multiple banks and brokerage firms. The solution these autists devise is combining it all in one place and investing it ALL with Bernie Madoff to get maximum returns.
Cooler heads, rational heads, need to step in and gut this, NOW.
yup, this ^
“Surveillance isn’t the only problem. There is also another problem. A security problem. This is why you turn the
autistsbillionaires loose to ferret out and get to the bottom of a problem, like finding fraud and waste, but you never, ever, EVER let theautistsbillionaires devise the solution.”edited to extend the cautionary.
While they’re fiddling around in there, if it isn’t too much trouble, maybe someone can acquire Lois Lerner’s incriminating emails that were so elusive due to her hard drive failing, and the tape back-up being “erased accidentally” two weeks after it being requested by Congress. I wouldn’t want to put anyone out. It was only direct weaponization of the IRS against the Tea Party before it became infested with grifters, hosers, and jackasses.
💣💥! Right on target Sundance!