Appearing with professional narrative engineer Margaret Brennan, Senator Rand Paul discusses his DC perspective on the need to protect criminal aliens from excessive deportation action.
Senator Paul agrees with Mrs Brennan that all persons, including illegal alien entrants into the United States, deserve constitutional protection. As an outcome of that viewpoint the Alien Enemies Act is in a state of contradiction and conflict. WATCH:
[Transcript] – MARGARET BRENNAN: And we turn now to Kentucky Republican Senator Rand Paul. He is the chair of the Homeland Security Committee, and he joins us this morning from Bowling Green, Kentucky. Good morning to you, Senator.
SEN. RAND PAUL: Good morning. Thanks for having me.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure, because of your role in Homeland Security, I want to follow up where we left off with National Security Adviser Waltz. There are legal questions around using these authorities to send out detainees without giving them a day in court. But there’s also just questions of how it’s being handled in regard to these individuals who were rejected by El Salvador, one for gender, one because they weren’t Venezuelan at all. Do these concern- does any of this concern you? Along with claims from their family members that many of these people weren’t gang members?
SEN. PAUL: There are some big legal questions here. On the one hand, the Bill of Rights applies to everyone, to persons. The Bill of Rights doesn’t specifically designate citizens. It’s really anyone in the United States the Bill of Rights applies to. On the other hand, the Alien and Enemies Act simply says, you really don’t get much process. The president can simply declare that you are somehow a problem for foreign policy and opposed to our foreign policy, and you can be deported. So really, ultimately, this goes to the court, and then the court is going to have to decide, are they going to declare unconstitutional a law that’s been around for a couple hundred years, or are they going to defer to Congress? If you look at the TikTok decision recently, which I don’t agree with, but in the TikTok decision, the court basically said we’re going to defer to Congress. Congress says this is about national security, and who are we to question Congress–
MARGARET BRENNAN: –Right and then the president issued executive order that defied the- what Congress did–
SEN. PAUL: Right, right. But my- my point is- is I think the court should have ruled on the First Amendment with regard to TikTok and not said, oh, well, whatever Congress wants. But if you look at the TikTok decision, and you had to guess what the Supreme Court is going to do, my guess is they’ll uphold the Alien and Enemies Act. It’s not necessarily my position, but I think the court will uphold it. So it’s at least debatable on both sides, who’s right or who’s wrong here. And I think it’s not correct for Democrats to simply say, oh, it’s constitutional chaos. There’s no leg to stand on. There actually is legal authority. On the one hand, it’s been around for over 200 years.
MARGARET BRENNAN: But, but just- we’re not talking about partisan politics. We’re talking about the courts right now. And what the judge said he had questions about and talks about this being done, you know, essentially in the cover of night, this seems to be an argument the administration wants to have go to the Supreme Court. Are you comfortable with bypassing what you described as, you know, what’s guaranteed in the Bill of Rights, a day in court, or at least some verification that some of these people actually are guilty in some way of what they’re accused of, which is membership in a gang?
SEN. PAUL: So we have a contradiction. We basically have the Constitution that says everyone, persons in the United States have due process rights, have the Bill of Rights on their side, but we also have law that has been in power for 200 years saying, oh, well, except for when the president wants to deport people. So these are in conflict. There will have to be some decision making. On the question of whether or not a district judge can make a ruling for the whole country, that’s also a very big question, and I suspect, as this works its way up to the Supreme Court, when you get to the Supreme Court, I do believe the Supreme Court is going to limit district judges from having nationwide rulings. So I think that’s also in the offing. But these are huge legal questions, and the only way they begin is by a challenge.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yeah
SEN. PAUL: If the president doesn’t challenge these, they never have standing and never get to court. So on the one hand, the president is generating this, but it’s the only way to generate a final conclusion from the court.
MARGARET BRENNAN: It just sound- I mean- these are debates for law professors, certainly, but in the meantime, there are individuals who may have been sent wrongly to these facilities that are outside the U.S. jurisdiction. Are you comfortable as the man with oversight, as chair of the committee, with what’s being done?
SEN. PAUL: I think the courts will rule that there has to be some process. I don’t think you are going to be able to deport people–
MARGARET BRENNAN: So, yes, you are comfortable with it?
SEN. PAUL: So no, I- well, I think you’re answering for me. I think there is going to be some process afforded by the courts for representation before you’re deported in most cases. I don’t know about the ones under the Alien and Enemies Act, and I’m not sure anybody knows that. And while I love constitutional law, I’m not a constitutional lawyer.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yeah.
SEN. PAUL: I do think it goes to the Supreme Court. And there are arguments to be made on both sides of this question.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Got it. I want to ask you about some congressional business. I’ve seen it reported that you have pitched to Elon Musk a plan to claw back $500 billion in federal funding that Congress has already approved. There was an effort back in 2018 to do something like this, and it failed. Do you think you can actually get this done in a rescission package, and how much money do you think you can get back?
SEN. PAUL: Well, this goes to another huge legal question. Can the president impound money, or does he have to send it back and we approve the cuts through rescission, and this is going all the way to the Supreme Court also, because I think the Trump administration believes they can just not spend it. There’s another question within the question, can the president and his people, can Secretary Rubio pause the spending. On that issue I think they will win. You will be able to pause spending as long as you don’t go through the end of an appropriations year. If you get through that, I believe it’s impoundment, and I think the court so far has said it has to come back, and less as the Trump administration argues that the empowerment Act is unconstitutional. So this was headed to the Supreme Court also. It is my personal belief we should adhere to the law as it is now, and that is, send it back and have Congress confirm it. It’s a simple majority vote. It’s called rescission. I did mention this to Elon Musk. He seemed enthusiastic. It can be done. No Democrats- you have to realize, no Democrats will cut one penny from any spending anywhere. But can we get all the Republicans, is the real question.
MARGARET BRENNAN: You can get 51 Republicans, you think, to get on board with this?
SEN. PAUL: Well, I think the president’s gonna- the president is going to have to use effectively his bully pulpit and his popularity to convince all Republicans to do it. It’s not a given that Republicans will stand, will will vote for this. We tried it once in the first administration it was only–
MARGARET BRENNAN: –Right, I remember–
SEN. PAUL: –15 billion, and we we lost. We lost two Republicans. But my suggestion to the Trump-, my suggestion to the Trump administration is come to the Republicans who you suspect might have misgivings and convince them, in advance, don’t put it in their lap. Bring them 500 billion. If they say this, 10 billion, I can’t deal with, I can deal with the 490, you’re gonna have to pre negotiate the rescissions package. But I think you could get there.
MARGARET BRENNAN: I want to ask you about the Department of Education. States, as everyone I think knows, provide the majority of the funding and oversight for your local schools. But Kentucky, when we looked at the numbers, gets the fourth most federal education funding per student of any state in this country. You have over 900 schools that have these Title One programs, which are low income schools who need that federal subsidy to continue to operate. How are schools going to get that money if the president closes the Education Department?
SEN. PAUL: I think the bigger question, if we’re sending all this money to Kentucky and all the other states, why are our scores abysmal? Why do two thirds of the kids not read at proficiency? Why do two thirds of the kids or more not have math proficiency? So it’s an utter failure–
MARGARET BRENNAN: Isn’t that up to the state?
SEN. PAUL: What I’d like to- let me finish, I’d leave it back to the States. It has always been a position, a very mainstream Republican position, to have control of the schools by the states, send the money back to the states, or better yet never take it from the States. About half of our budget in Kentucky goes to education, and that’s the same in a lot of states. I think we can handle it much better. When I talk to teachers, they chafe at the national mandates on testing they think are not appropriate for their kids. They think they waste too much time teaching-
MARGARET BRENNAN: –Right–
SEN. PAUL: –teaching to national testing. The teachers would like more autonomy, and I think the teachers deserve more autonomy.
MARGARET BRENNAN: But when we look at the budget in Kentucky, the state receives 2 billion in federal education funding. Do you have a guarantee that the federal government, federal taxpayers will still provide 2 billion in education funding? That seems important to your state.
SEN. PAUL: I’d rather well, no, what I’d rather is a guarantee that my kids can read and write and do math. The amount of dollars, look, the number of dollars has gone up exponentially, and our scores have gone the other way. So dollars are not proportional to educational success. What I want is success, and I’ve talked a lot about this, I think there are innovations we can do where there’s more learning via some of the best teachers, and we pay them more. I would like to have an NBA or NFL of teachers, the most extraordinary teachers teach the entire country if not the entire world–
MARGARET BRENNAN: –Who would run that? The education department?–
SEN. PAUL: –And some of them- no what you’d find is they’d be selected out state by state across the nation. Look, people say, oh, without the department education, we’d have no testing. I was- I was in school before then, we did achievement tests in the sixth grade, the fifth grade, the eighth grade, and we compared ourselves across state lines. There were international testing.
MARGARET BRENNAN: –Yeah–
SEN. PAUL: –You don’t need the Department of Education for any of that. But what I can tell you is–
MARGARET BRENNAN: –Okay–
SEN. PAUL: –the best teacher in the world is not teaching the kids. What we need to do is have the best teachers and pay them more, but they wouldn’t teach 30 kids. They might teach 10 million kids at a time, because it would be presented to the internet with local teachers reinforcing the lessons.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Well, I’m sure we’ll be talking more about this. Senator Paul, thank you for your time today. We’ll be right back.
Rand Paul is a first class ass. He stopped the replacement of ObamaCare in 2017. He can rot in hell.
check your notes, Sally, that was John McCain
Grandstand registered his usual protest vote on repeal and replace to get attention. But yes, you are correct, Songbird John finally killed it because his widdle feewings were hurt by PDJT45.
What is this, the Twilight Zone 2.0???? I used to have some respect for Rand Paul…..guess I was wrong. There are times when the apple falls a long, long, long way from the tree.
Rand Paul has ALWAYS been an idiot. I remember when he was first campaigning for the Senate. He was not in favor of holding captured members of Al-Qaeda without due process. A reporter asked him what he believed should be done with them. His answer was that they should be sent back to wherever they were captured; which, in most cases meant they would be returned to the battlefield to continue killing American soldiers.
And, by the way, Rand is one apple that did NOT fall far from the tree; because, his father, Ron Paul, had most people fooled also. Ron Paul’s campaign website claimed (and he claimed many times in person) that he never voted for any bill unless the proposed legislation was expressly authorized by the Constitution.
What he always failed to admit was that he added earmarks to bills he knew would be passed WITHOUT his personal vote; thereby, getting pork passed for special friends and/or constituents. That way, he could ‘honestly’ continue to claim he never voted for such legislation himself.
He also claimed he was not racist; however, he was the sole senator who did not vote to award a medal to Rosa Parks. He also published a newsletter containing many racist articles.
So Rand must think illegal aliens have a second amendment right but the law states that aliens CAN NOT own guns
Ron and Rand Paul often let their radical Libertarian ideology override common sense. This is why radical Libertarianism is so dangerous.
Sad, sad man- Rand Paul is. Can’t see the forest, can’t see the trees. Willfully blind.
How ironic since he was an Ophthalmologist before becoming a politician.
The one thing I agree with Rand Paul is that he is not an expert on constitutional law.
At least he admitted it. Take what he says with a grain of sand. Then throw the grain away!
Since when does constitutional protection extend to illegal boarder jumpers,on second thought why do you not board a few of them in your home, you are one big dumb ass.
Illegal invaders are not “the people.” They are people but not “THE” people who the Bill of Rights addresses.
Illegal invaders are from other countries and other peoples and have not shown any inclination to separate themselves from their former country/people to become an American. They didn’t immigrate legally. They didn’t present themselves to proper immigration authorities to declare their intent to become Americans. They were only present in our territory in violation of the laws and against the wishes of The People.
Illegals are not members of our community. We the People and those we welcome are our community.
Rand Paul is a joker and a clown and is the equivalent of a strongly worded letter and cannot and should not be taken seriously unless you listen to and watch Rand Paul for entertainment purposes only. SMH.
Wise man like his father before him.
Where’s the /s behind your statement?
Contrary to the opinions presented here so far, and contrary to what Sundance says, I find Rand Paul raising interesting questions. Two laws are in conflict, he points that out. The question is, should everyone have due process is a fair one.
maybe the answer is, if you enter illegally, you waive your rights to due process because the first act you committed on US soil is a criminal act. Seems reasonable to me—but, I’m not a lawyer and there are far smarter people than me that can figure this out.
Rand also pushed back on most of her talking points. I thought he was reasoned and nuanced.
What is the difference between 1000 sworn (in blood and murderous rite of passage) TdA members setting up armed camp in a city to terrorize, rape and murder … and 1000, say, Chinese soldiers who march across the border into Seattle and take over and terrorize, rape and murder?
Would we go in and arrest and prosecute the latter individually, and apply their Constitutional rights?
Those who argue against a reasoned application of the Alien Enemies Act really have never tasted crime personally… and certainly not crime at the hands of a mezzo-American gang such as TdA. I assure you a lengthy trial for one TdA member while the rest roam free in your community is not going to yield many states’ witnesses for the prosecution. The legal approach will fail miserably … and their ranks will swell much faster than your ability to prosecute.
Which is what has happened for the past 4 years and why such dire action is needed in the first place.
Agreed.
POTUS is the law.
AG Bondi is law enforcement.
The law does not yield to a judge.
Judges must yield to the law.
POTUS can end this nonsense overnight with one EO…
That is, if he truly wants to make America great again.
In God We Trust
Trust God
Fear not
Whatever Trump says is the law?
I don’t think you want to go down that road, Patriot.
POTUS executes the law.
Agree Red Fox. That is what happened to Mexico which is now almost completely under the control of the Cartels. No one dares testify against any of them while they are being watched by their comrades. Witnesses are very unlikely to live to the trial date anyway. TDA does not just issue verbal threats. They take fingers and limbs. Trump has every right to eject these monsters from US soil. They have no right to be here and NO RIGHTS under our Constitution for legal protection. Anyone who is trying to protect them from deportation is suspect of being a recipient of dark Cartel money IMHO and should be investigated. It wouldn’t take long for the FBI or IRS to look at the money trail coming to an individual (AND their immediate family members) to see if there is any malfeasance.
Rand Paul never ceases to disappoint.
Kentucky, what’s up?
Sending us McConnell, Paul, Massie …
Just my view, but I believe Paul and Massie are pretenders .. One “tell” is lack of congruence in their words/behaviors … They seem to be with us and then periodic finger in the eye.
I’m beginning to suspect that is their job. Not all our enemies are obvious like McConnell.
Paul and Massie fill a more subtle in their anti-MAGA role —- They embed within our midst so they are trusted voices and then periodically when it is important to their handlers they move to gum up the works.
Because they are trusted voices, they are that much more influential when they make an anti-MAGA move.
There is a detectable herky jerkyness to them … Whereas President Trump is completely congruent and consistent in values and agenda.
Deport them, stop the madness.
Dear Rand
1) If the Constitution doesn’t limit its scope to US citizens, then why does it have provisions about matters concerning citizens such as regards full faith and credit, Art IV, Sec 2? There wouldn’t need to be such a clause if the framers and ratifiers of the Constitution intended that it apply to every person on earth.
2) The fact that the Alien and Enemies Act was passed in 1798 by a federal government that included many of the same persons who wrote and ratified the Constitution should tell you that they certainly didn’t think that the Bill of Rights and other Constitutional protections applied to non citizen illegal aliens. If they had, they wouldn’t have passed that law.
It’s remarkable to me that the Left refuses to accept or find any implied power or provision when it comes to citizenship in the Constitution yet worships judicial review (the power to declare a law null and void because it is unconstitutional). Judicial review is absolutely not in the Constitution. It was conjured up by a man thrown onto the Supreme Court by a lame duck Adams administration in its closing minutes (John Marshall).
These corrupts are one part patently stupid and 4 parts willfully pretending not to know certain facts.
These are also people who were educated in or around the same timeline as me..within 10 years either side.
From my educational experience there was this theory that the constitution was a fluid document subject to new social pressures.
And that would be wrong. But this is what they were taught and it sounds good on paper because I you can convince yourself that everyone deserves a fair judgement
The problem with this thinking and theory is that one day you have a judge literally demand that stone cold hardened criminals be returned to us soil…because it’s the fair thing to do. Or words that malemot sound like a moral responsibility
Insanity has reached new depths of stupid
Bizzaro land of circus clowns ..amok
Ran
The “living breathing Constitution” was a construct of the progressive era. Woodrow Wilson in particular, to his diabolical credit, recognized that the judiciary was the vehicle through which Marxist ideology could be imposed on the nation. That branch of the government between the lifetime appointments and the fact that they are once removed from the electorate made them the perfect progenitor for this. Judicial activism, legislating from the bench–goes by a number of concepts and names. The key part is that wildly unpopular policies can be decreed and this is what we are seeing before our eyes. Federal DISTRICT judges who aren’t even in the Constitution now run the immigration, HR, finance, and citizenship aspects of the executive branch–the only branch that is elected on a national basis.
The one truism is that if the ratifiers were at all aware of this outcome, they would have taken measures to prevent it or they would not have ratified the Constitution.
Regressives say that the Constitution is a living breathing document because they take great enjoyment in cutting off the oxygen supply of whatever living and breathing being or document stands in their way. For a group who celebrate unfettered power, evil, destruction and graft, instead of righteousness of God, this must give their twisted minds and damaged souls a great big thrill. I get it.
Talk about being invaded by foreigners when we also have our own nihilistic “countrymen” jumping into the abyss and trying to take us with them! Fight Fight Fight!!
“Judicial review is absolutely not in the Constitution. It was conjured up by a man thrown onto the Supreme Court by a lame duck Adams administration in its closing minutes (John Marshall).”
Absolutely the judiciary has no place in “interpreting” the Constitution. The more the Constitution is “interpreted” by precedence (Common Law technique) the closer the judiciary comes to nullifying the Constitution.
The question for Mr Paul is this, “What other country in the world grants the status which their own citizenry hold to any visitor?” We owe criminal illegals only basic human treatment and we owe terrorists nothing. What parts of the declared national emergency and designation as terrorists do the dissemblers in DC and NYC want the people to disbelieve?
We could be shooting these terrorists whenever and wherever we encounter them.
The executive branch has done an outstanding job of describing the enemy withinas foreign sponsored terrorists. The federal government acting in the parts of the legislative and the judiciary……are forcing a dangerous environment upon the citizens of the USA, a clear violation of the 10th amendment.
What good I ask is a federal government or a Senator who doesn’t assign first priority to safety of the actual citizens?
Mr Rand Paul is not his father’s son….in fact he is a different son altogether.
The people of the USA and the totality of the government of the USA need to understand that the Constitution of these United States is a pact between the people and the government. It states the contract between the people and the government in plain and indisputable language. It can only be modified through a laborious process of amendment to which the states agree.
The SCOTUS and any other judge who “interprets” the Constitution risks annulling the contract between the people and the government.
Never in our history has the law been so blatantly abused as to endanger the citizens as halting the deportations of terrorists. The people are plain in their desire to remove this danger in the polling which supports the efforts to remove criminal illegals. Even dimocrats who have any awareness of the issue support containing these terrorists.
I must say, Monticello, it’s this kind of statement that makes me want to stand up and cheer.
Here is someone who gets it.
Monticello for Chief Justice!
From the Declaration of Independence
“-That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. ”
Just repeating the concepts of the Declaration, which every freedom loving person should stand and cheer for Alzaebo
You are so right! Our beautiful Constitution is many things, but at its most basic the Constitution is a contract.
The Constitution begins with the words “We the People of the United States.” The plain meaning of those words is “citizens of the United States.”
Non-citizens are not entitled to the full guarantees of OUR Constitution. If they are in our country legally we owe them our protection and a modicum of the due process rights guaranteed to citizens.
If a citizen of another country breaks into our country illegally we owe them ZERO due process. A burglar is not entitled to your possessions after breaking into your home. Citizenship is one of our greatest possessions precisely because of the due process rights guaranteed by OUR Constitution. A thief from another country cannot steal citizenship or due process.
Rand Paul is a fool and a liar. He deserves our contempt.
Bruce Gordon –
“Citizenship is one of our greatest possessions precisely because of the due process rights guaranteed by OUR Constitution.”
Well said!
“Absolutely the judiciary has no place in “interpreting” the Constitution. The more the Constitution is “interpreted” by precedence (Common Law technique) the closer the judiciary comes to nullifying the Constitution.”
Just look what has not been done with the 2A’s “shall not be infringed”.
“I pity the fool” who doesn’t like this post!
(sorry I am watching A-Team reruns on Sundance Channel as I type)
: )
Like I always say, everybody in Clowngress has a role to play
Here illegally. That’s first principle.
Not citizens. Second principle
Bill of rights does not apply.
Aggravating factors that remove any concerns about bill of rights and due process?
Declared members of drug cartels specified as terror org.
This should be a slam dunk in a normal functioning law and order society.
I give it 50/50 SCROTUS does the right thing
Meanwhile why hasn’t president trump removed classmat clearance for boasTURD and Roberts.
They got this information quicker than superman. This means there is either a rat mole or boasTURD is accessing secret police spy state apparatus in near real time.
It’s obvious
Remove clearances and refer to Todd Blanche. This is a national security issue with real world threat actors.
God Bless America
SCROTUS has too few balls.
Didn’t Rand get the memo that TdA was declared a foreign terrorist organization, because they have illegally come to this country, armed themselves, and are terrorizing communities across the land?
As far as I know, the Alien Enemies Act has been applied to them alone, and if not, to others equally committed to harming, destroying and instilling fear as organizational entities. (MS13, etc.) To be clear… this is their sole purpose.
And Rand wants to litigate these folks on an individual basis under the “rule of law”? No wonder Congress refuses to act forcefully on immigration matters. If Rand Paul can’t see the moral and righteous need to rid ourselves of those illegal organized elements who rape, pillage, and burn this country – then we may never get action out of anyone other than a fearless POTUS.
Rand Paul argues that the Bill of Rights applies to all persons in the US, but forgets that 2A rights are commonly denied to certain criminals, 1A rights often denied to certain predators to use the internet, visit schools, etc., and voting rights are suspended to certain criminals as well. The Bill of Rights is not guaranteed to “all persons”, and certainly not to persons who organize, sneak into the country, commit horrific crimes and then try to hide behind the legal process. They should be identified and removed immediately.
Thank you, President Trump for a measured and appropriate response to this invasion.
There are some DEEP tentacles into our government on these illegal aliens. The money from protecting these invaders must be better than drugs. Unbelievable the cover they get.
WTAF?? Obviously Rand Paul is owned by IC… he can’t naturally be the this stupid
Where there not two serious attempts on his physical well-being (the GOP baseball game and then the neighbor who beat him so badly it damaged a lung IIRC)? Then there was the crowd intimidating his wife and himself in D.C. Perhaps he and his wife have concluded that there is too much risk is doing the right thing, one of which is supporting POTUS.
Parsing irrelevant notions of law while America is suffocating from an invasion of people slipping into or forcibly pushing their way across our borders is not a useful response. Dithering is not a virtue.
Yes. Now seems like an awful time to look for contradictions in Federal law. You don’t bind the hands of a POTUS trying to save lives by bringing up questions of inconsistency. Rand, your job is to:
Whining about a terrorist group’s lack of Constitutional rights isn’t in the list of choices.
you can join them if you want paul……every illegal needs to be sent back…..you can go and sing them to sleep….LNL
Rand is the “token opposition” for the deep state club. He gets to stand up and make populist points at times when they don’t matter, to please the voting base and keep donations flowing. But when it is time for action, he’s establishment, through and through.
I used to think that, too, but clearly he’s not even opposing anything here.
and he is not making any populist talking points either.
Controlled opposition.
Family members say that some of these men aren’t in gangs.
Isn’t that a problem for the country they came from, not ours?
Deport the whole family for harboring an illegal alien.
I’m sick of this.
Yeah, just another unfortunate soul who got an MS13 tattoo ’cause they liked the pretty artwork.
Accidentally on their face.
Harboring…heck, he is the breadwinner in the family!
Well, him and the welfare system.
Deport the whole family, all their anchor babies, and all their chain migration relatives!
Let ’em Make Their Home Country Great Again
there is something wrong with this guy
The “Kentucky CONnection”
Senator Paul in early 2024 stated he wasn’t sure if he could endorse President Trump for President. He was withholding endorsing him until he had further information. He is far more preferable than Senator McConnell.
I’m going to shout; PERFECTION IS THE ENEMY OF GOOD. Paul loves getting caught up in the weeds as does KY Congressman Massie.
I understood that if someone is in the US illegally, they get deported without a hearing from a District Court Judge’s approval. How did Eisenhower deport so many?
Heh. “…narrative engineer Margaret Brennan…”
We really must come up with more bon mots like that.
So, we’re simply resetting to the Clinton era, is it? The Rush Limbaugh days.
In other words, before Woke went completely went off its rocker,
before 911, Iraq, and the PATRIOT Act.
Rand Paul is not a lawyer — his opinion is just that. while “applies to every person” is nice, it is blue sky and counter to what the founders intended. The Royalists who didnt self deport after the Rev war were intended to be “expelled ” or pushed by the 1798 law. And use of it now is appropriate. Loyalists had pledged loyalty to the King — illegals wave their 1st country flags and dont obey our laws. Rand Paul doesnt know history.
Seems to me that there is an easy fix to all this open border and due process crap.
Congress could pass a law that states that anyone in the US that is here illegally (entering illegally, being here illegally, or illegally overstaying a visa or green card or whatever) is automatically considered “persona non grata” and can be immediately deported.
The “persona non grata” label takes care of the “person vs citizen” question because they are no longer recognized as either. and the “due process” is immediate deportation. So, no conflict with the Bill of Rights.
There are persons that are not US citizens that deserve “due process”. Think of students with a study visa, or foreign tourists, or foreign business members visiting the US, green card temporary workers. They have a right to due process of US courts because they are here legally. Example: Let’s say something like a Japanese couple is visiting here as legal tourists and they are mugged and beaten–They are protected by US laws. If they overstay their visas, nope.
Of course there will be cases with mitigating circumstances. Example: Same couple above overstay their tourist visas because they spent 2 weeks in the hospital due to being mugged. So that has to be addressed.
In a case of one “persona non grata” assaulting another “persona non grata”, might get interesting.
The other thing that the “persona non grata” might help clarify would be that no person designated as such can get any government benefits whatsoever, because they are not recognized as a person or citizen and do not have the rights or privileges or a citizen or person.
Just some thoughts to add to the discussion.
“Congress could pass a law ”
Good luck with that/ wishful thinking.
Congress could do a lot of worthwhile things.
But they will not, because the vast majority of them are just there for themselves and the $$$.
PDJT came along and took away their cookie jar.
So this is just playing games until he is gone in 4 years.
Wishy washy Rand Paul. Warmed over bucket of poo.
Rand argues that POTUS can’t impound money, but Congress can spend without a budget.
Never was a bigger fool exposed. Ya’all realize that the 2008 TARP $1 trillion dollars was baselined into the budget and has been perpetuated by the Continuing Resolution process? I make that as $16T of the $36T of national debt, and still running up the tab. Both parties have grown fat and lazy on this largess.
I’m trying to figure out the angle that Sen. Paul is working. Deportation hearings are in the Administrative Law area, not criminal law and thus the burden of proof is different. He should know this. If he is that serious about “due process” in administrative law proceedings, he should be pounding on the IRS, the EPA, USDA and Interior for not following due process in their administrative law proceedings. Inconsistent positions show that he either doesn’t understand the difference or he’s got some ulterior motive in going public with this gripe.
My Administrative process:
Now boarding one-way flight to San Salvador…
We’d have to jail the “people” who illegally imported these 3rd World urchins and declare the entire fiasco an illegal operation. In order to make mass deportations stick.
The Death Cult/Uniparty will argue that the CBP app, the social services, and the travel agencies that set up the midnight flights and protected status in Haiti, Venezuela, Guatemala Nicaragua were the beginning of the “lawful migration” process so only the “gotaways” are technically up for expedited removal..
The Death Cult/Uniparty is COUNTING on every single illegal having their day in court which is a logistical and financial impossibility.
NO! Very simply, no! If you are in this country illegally, and especially if you are violent and breaking its laws, you do not have “Constitutional protections.” The Alien Enemies Act is very precisely titled, and entirely common sense.
The Constitution promises every State protection against invasion. But, “Invaders” do not always wear uniforms.
Many thousands of people entered legally through places like Ellis Island. And, their descendents still proudly display their naturalization certificates.
A legal discussion between 2 constitutional scholars…
What could go wrong?
Libertarians like Rand appears to be good between the 20s but they spend too much time knocking their own teams ball down when going in for the score.
“About half of our budget in Kentucky goes to education, and that’s the same in a lot of states.”
In far too many of the states, the Education percentage of the budget is enshrined in the state constitution.
That’s where the money laundering, graft, and corruption is anchored.
That’s where the Federal matching has to stop, and why the DOE must end. (Carter did DOE to buy the union vote.)
I say such state amendments were done deliberately, to allow innocent-looking “education” to be the sink where the criminals on the take could make the payoffs and wash the money.
Holy smokes, I just realized “education” is a make work program to get women out of the home and into Democrat activism.
That is, Democrats are buying the women’s vote under a pretense.
(Add in the gushers of money and contracts and you can harvest a ton of the corrupt males, simps, and pervs as well.)
Somebody needs to explain to me how the first act of a “person” upon entering a country being illegal, with no other effort to comply with the laws of that country, entitles him to the protections available to law-abiding citizens. “Person” needs a clear definition.
Pretty sure his concern is the AEA being used against us. All it would take is Newsom declaring war against MAGA. All of you shitting on Rand probably also shit on Ron when he railed against the PATRIOT Act.
Except the AEA is specifically called out against foreign entities and their citizens living in the U.S. and could not, without complete usurpation of the law, be applied to MAGA. I’m sure Rand isn’t thinking that.
Really? Have you been under a rock during the whole Russia collusion deal?
I don’t recall the AEA being mentioned before this incident. Are you saying it has? And if so, please cite the episode. And really, the invective is unwarranted… I’ve re-read the AEA today, and there is no clause in there at all where it could be applied to US citizens.
Illegal. Illegal. Illegal. Constitutional protections are for legal U.S. citizens. The next consideration is for individuals following the law to obtain U.S. citizenship. There is no consideration for individuals who have invaded our borders. Illegal.
Boy ever since he got beaten up at his home, they’ve gotten Rand Paul to fall in line. He gets to keep doing his useless wasteful spending announcements that have never led anywhere. Maybe he was just a fraud all along and his true colors are finally being shown.
Senator Rand Paul is on his Libertarian trampoline again. Remember, he endorsed Mitch McConnell and took McConnell’s anti-Trump political beast’s money for his own re-election. Slow in endorsing President Trump’s 2024 run for the Presidency. Has anyone ever heard Rand speak out about the fraudulent 2020 election and the lack of due process for the J6er’s??????
I’ve said for many years that so called “libertarians” are nothing more than twisted sisters of the American left.
Rand With The Groovy Hair continues to prove me right.
Grandstand Rand stands in opposition to anything that gets him the most attention. It must be a Kentucky thing, because Massie is the same way.
Let Doge recommend closing unneeded military bases in Kentucky and see how quick Grandstand suddenly becomes a war hawk.
Illegal invaders don’t deserve protections provided for in the Constitution. After all, it starts out as, “We, the people of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA,” which the invaders are definitely NOT.
Perhaps Grandstand should go back and re-read that document and understand what it means before he runs that noisy hole under his mouth.
Margaret Brennan seems to think there were deportees who were not given due process. My understanding is that ICE, FBI, etc. have reams of material related to these deportees status, criminal activity, etc. What Brennan and the ALCU are really going for is to clog up the Justice system with TDA cases so that four years from now another administration or Congress can throw up their hands and throw the cases out – putting a trans national criminal gang back on our streets.
Ms. Brennan suggests that some of these 250+ terrorists are not terrorists at all. Don’t fall for this, there is no evidence to support this and reams of evidence that they are – including their own declaration that they are TDA.
Finally, I find it very interesting that no one mentions that the five defendants that the ALCU are fighting for were all pulled off the planes and remain in US custody.
This entire matter is related to detention space and getting these people out of the US before Communists can stymie the process by delaying deportation, forcing US detention, and costing taxpayers money.
The DOJ explained to the court the proper judicial oversight is Habeas Corpus court in Texas not DC district court. This mater is truly related to war law and international law. The founders that passes this Act over 200 years ago used the book Law of Nations, Emer de Vattel 1758, for international law. Of course congress and the supreme court ignore this book, because this Article II constitutional power to enforce international law was give to the President. https://oll.libertyfund.org/titles/whatmore-the-law-of-nations-lf-ed Ignoring this book allow courts and congress to usurp the Presidents powers, and allows Foreign born former citizens of foreign countries like Ted Cruz of Canada to run for US president. Usurption=treason in any other country but ours for some reason. Article I, Section 8, Clause 10:
[The Congress shall have Power . . . ] To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offences against the Law of Nations; . . .
Paul is wrong; the Act clearly states that predatory incursions during a time of war are covered by the Act. Want to remove that justification? Withdraw the AUMF and stop sending NATO to The Ukraine.
Rand says the Bill of Rights doesn’t designate citizens as to whom the whole Bill of Rights pertains to, thus it must pertain to anyone on United States soil.
But the 14th Amendment to the US Constitution states in Section 1 of the Amendment that:
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
None of the people Rand is talking about are subject to the jurisdiction of the United States or any state wherein they may be residing. This alone should make clear that illegal aliens are not covered under the Bill of Rights either.
To put it bluntly, non-citizen illegals who broke the law by entering this country have no standing in our judicial system to argue about their so-called Constitutional rights because they have none. Only US citizens enjoy the rights and protections the Constitution provides. Even foreigners with work or student visas, etc., are subject to immediate deportation if they commit a heinous action. Bottomline is that Rand is totally wrong. Compassion should not even enter the big picture, especially when the flood gates were purposefully opened specifically with the intent of undermining our Constitution and rule of law to create a new majority demographic beholden the will and desires the deep state/globalists tyrants.
ILLEGAL ALIENS have NO Constitutional protections. They are not CITIZENS and are under the jurisdiction of another country. STOP the nonsense and DEPORT!
all of those individuals who illegally crossed the border are invaders – some are less of a threat than others but they are still invaders. this idea that they should be treated as something other than invaders is utter foolishness and quite damaging to Americans and their Constitution.
Sen Paul: “I do believe the Supreme Court is going to limit district judges from having nationwide rulings. So I think that’s also in the offing.”
If ^ case was to go to SCOTUS first and they rule that district (and circuit) judges cannot make rulings that affect the whole nation wouldn’t the POTUS then have full power to deport? Use of the word ‘limit’ seems like a legal can of worms.
Anyway, wouldn’t that ^ be all SCOTUS would need to consider? No need for dealing with what Rand says is conflicting laws?
Paul’s head is up his axe or he just wants to be invited back on the propaganda networks. He’s contrarian just to get attention.
Why do they keep going on these fake news shows? Probably have narcissistic personality disorder.
Agree. First words of the constitution- We the People. Not invading foreigners. If you come here legally, we will extend the protections of the bill of rights to you. Otherwise you’re outta here!
I never watch Fake the Nation nor anything on SeeBS. I hope that PRESIDENT TRUMP wins his large lawsuits against SeeBS and ends up owning it. Why do reputable people even waste their time talking at Maggie??? Disappointed in Senator Paul, I thought that he was wiser than that.
Rand has always enjoyed being “that guy”.