One of Deep States’ Most Important Generals Removed!
We start this discussion with a note of thanks to the ridiculous democrats and republicans for using the questioning session for AG nominee Pam Bondi, to out themselves on the issue of FISA-702, the unconstitutional surveillance of American citizens. While many will not see it, the timing here is not coincidental.
At the behest of President Donald Trump, House Speaker Mike Johnson has removed House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence (HPSCI) Chairman Mike Turner from his position.
Mike Turner is no longer Chairman of HPSCI. This is a big loss for the Deep State.
Remember also, that President Trump had previously announced an intelligence advisory board headed by Devin Nunes {SEE HERE}.
In addition to his manipulative support for Ukraine, in December of 2023 Chairman Turner lied about his FISA-702 renewal having support from Devin Nunes and John Ratcliffe {LINK}. Mike Turner was not aligned with the MAGA priorities of liberty.
ASSOCIATED PRESS – […] Johnson told reporters late Wednesday that Rep. Mike Turner, an Ohio Republican, would no longer lead the committee, which oversees the nation’s intelligence agencies and holds tremendous influence over law enforcement and foreign policy. During Trump’s first term, the committee became a hotbed of partisanship as its powers were used to assist the then-president. Johnson last year also gave two Trump allies highly-sought spots on the panel.
Johnson said he made the decision to remove Turner because the “intelligence community and everything related to (the committee) needs a fresh start.” The Republican speaker, who has aligned himself closely with Trump, said he would soon announce the new chair for the committee. (link)
Mike Turner told CBS News’ Margaret Brennan that Johnson had cited “concerns from Mar-a-Lago” as the reason for the decision.
Removing Mike Turner is an excellent step in the dismantling of a system network that is eroding the very fabric of our nation.
People keep asking me what can be done to shift events and stop/block the trajectory of the control system that is collapsing our constitutional republic.
Let me share something that is apparently being missed by most. I have spent the past several years deeply engaged with the people and systems you see espoused as defenders in the conservative-sided media. All of the familiar names; all of them held in esteem as persons of significant influence that could ultimately change things.
Allow me to call the baby ugly. Our opinion of their ability is vastly overrated.
This perspective is driven in part by the incapacity of most to understand how the silo system of control inside the matrix of our governmental institutions works.
Everything is compartmentalized…. Everything.
Every aspect of what you know in totality is unknown to every participant who operates inside each compartment.
That’s a fancy way of saying, you know more than they do.
Yes, that’s correct.
The proverbial “they” have no grasp on the issues we face at the same level of understanding that you do.
Each individual works inside a compartment, a specifically constructed silo of information. They have no concept of what is taking place in other compartments that ultimately connect to their stake-holding.
None of them have the big picture, because the system that operates in Washington DC does not permit it.
Maybe, m.a.y.b.e, a total of 50 elected representatives, across both chambers, including staff, have any idea how FISA 702 is currently weaponized or used. [I am being exceptionally generous, in this one example.] That’s just FISA-702.
If you were to take the issue of DHS surveillance and coordination with social media, that number would be significantly fewer; that’s just another example amid hundreds.
The private sector, the ordinary high information consuming American, has far more knowledge than the elected official that represents them. The politicians and staff therein, just don’t put the same level of importance behind it that you do. That’s the reality of the thing, and too few people grasp what I am talking about, even as you read this.
The people in charge, don’t even know they are in charge; that’s the reality of how deep the compartments are that exist.
The CIA director, NSA director, ODNI, FBI Director, etc have not been in charge of the compartments they represent. They are simply functionaries -middle men- who operate in the space between where the compass points are directed, where the data originates, and oversight of that data that is ultimately filtered and delivered to the functionaries, who then brief the representatives…. who then create policy… albeit flawed policy…. based on a very specific, controlled, compartmented and skewed information flow.
President Trump is trying to change that.
President Trump has our full support.
We got a scalp. It feels good. Let’s get another.
There are many more to get.
<We got a scalp…There are many more to get.>
We may need Elizabeth Warren’s help 🙂
ROFLOL!!!
Hers would be a scalp to crow over!
She would squaw’k’.
Dat right kemosobie pocohauntus want scalp of white man for trophy.
But only White Man – R?
You mean Joke-ahontas?
Hoax-uponus….
Yep! Target-rich environment!
For sure!!!
Keep praying! Pray without ceasing!
Speaking of scalps to get, did not pretty Sammy Powers relocate to a non-extradition nation yet?
Thanks for reminder.. I will keep eye out
for where she lands!
Did find out that the ex-President of
Georgia is now working/part of….
McCain Institute…Kissinger Fellow. 😳😳
🤦♀️
This is my shocked face :-0
Well he got removed so….
A small glimmer of hope?
Jim Jordan?!
This is what I needed to see. Cornyn, McConnell, and Graham must be apoplectic.
3 scalps we really NEED to get.
Ditto! Starting with Cornyn, as you said.
McClownell may permanently glitch out and turn to stone of his own accord, Deity willing.
Throw a handful of salt onto Graham, and he would melt into a little brown puddle on the sidewalk.
A cpuple of months ago, Joe Rogan and Tim Dillon called Ms, Lindsay a “closeted gay supervillain,” and I have not stopped LMAO since then…because it’s so true
🤣🤣
Oh, to be a fly on the wall!!! Hehehe!
Take out these deep staters 1 at a time, unexpectedly. Let the scum look over there while you pounce on over here.
“He did a great job.”
So we removed him.
LOL
Says its not about Trump, it was a House decision, and thats true.
Turner tried to play Speaker McJohnson.
As Speaker, he can NOT allow that to stand, like a teacher, or anyone in authority, if you don’t assert your authority, ‘they’ will walk all over you.
So, if a student mouths off, you have to stand em i.n a corner, send them to the principles office,…or otherwise discipline them, as an example to others.
Thats all this was.
Looks like this is no time-out … it’s EXPULSION.
RINSE N REPEAT, Mr. Speaker!
Yep.
Yea. You are back
Happily!
“…or otherwise discipline them, as an example to others.”
When last we saw him, Mr Speaker was busy at his computer searching for the best deal on a bulk order of Dunce Caps………
This is an application of AI at it’s best.
Kill the chicken to teach the monkey. A chinese saying.
This may be like a corporation applying the Peter Principle to an employee as a promotion to a new, safer assignment where said employee can do less harm.
Outing himself; like forever!
Come on, Turner was just carrying the torch of the deep state corruptocrats. It costs a lot of US taxpayers cash to feed the on going Ukraine cash kickback machine and to hide a decade of US corruption in that dump.
The chef has a new recipe to try.
Served as ‘Six-ways-to-Sunday’ trussed senator CHICKENHAWK$
Rich in favor.
Modern political speak for we are making you an offer you cannot refuse.
His wife was telling Speaker she needed him home more often.
That NATO comment made me a little uneasy.
Yeah, but they gave him the talk to allies about ponying up what they owe part. Not a fun thing to do. We shall see.
Actually, that comment may well foreshadow the end of our participation in NATO. We see these alliances skitter from one extreme to the other on our tax dollars. It is past time to put an end to this.
We have a Secretary of State with no portfolio. Why not “empower” Turner as the House liason to an entity we no longer belong a part of?
Sure Mike. Turner will continue to be a very effective bill collector for NATO!
PRICELESS!
I like it! Turner boxed in assigned to a highly measurable metric (% each country contributes to NATO) as required by the POTUS Trump agenda.
Accountability structure put in place now highly visible to POTUS.
Turner will sprint to the retirement exit! 🤣
That’s not even Trump’s agenda. That’s the Nato Treaty determining the % GDP contributed to NATO.
Yes but PDJT’s agenda has been to enforce and monitor which is now Turner’s job responsibility.
A great start!
After what I have read tonight, I hope that this is true.
Ding dong the witch is dead.
Mind you, don’t be fitting McJohnson for a MAGA hat, or a WHITE one, either.
He had his own reasons for removing Turner, and it goes to asserting his authirity as Speaker.
Turner tried to manipulate the situation, to either force McJohnson to do what Turner wanted, kor to go around McJohnson.
Back when he came back from Ukraine, and said he had top secret info on a new capability Russia had,and without saying what this alleged info WAS, that it was imperativr that they vote more funding for Kiev, post-haste.
A Speaker can not allow such behavior to go unpunished, or the House will walk all over him.
So, McJohnson was operating out of self-interest that temporarily alignex with PDJT’s interest, thats all.
Do not for one second delude yourself that Speaker McJohnson is MAGA; he is a lieing RINO, just like his predescessors have been.
And we understand that but will take this as a first step.
President Trump knows as well; for the doubters.
And that’s how President Trump’s “art of the deal” strategy works. Use the self interest of others to work for his MAGA goals. 702 surveillance can’t be used against the congress critters, except by the IC who use it to intimidate and manipulate them. President Trump knows this. I don’t know if he has the details of all the “dirty laundry”, and maybe, those who wish to stop, aren’t certain either.
Honestly, he may have none. But they don’t know that and can’t afford to call his bluff [if there is one].
As long as we get what we need, what difference, at this point, does it make?
It appears Speaker Johnson is pliable in the hands of someone who knows how to squeeze hard enough to get what he wants.
LOL
No, Speaker McJohnson wanted it anyway,..PDJT just gave him an excuse to do whatche wanted, nee NEEDED to do, to maintain his authority.
That may be so. But given his past cave ins to Democrat pressure, I didn’t think Speaker Johnson had enough strength of will to exert any kind of real authority over much of anything.
Were his past cave ins to Democrat pressure influenced by not having any support behind him? Whole different game now, when he knows he can work with, and have the White House to back him up when it’s time to make decisions that he knows will create strong democrat push back.
Agreed.
Speaker Johnson has had a very narrow tightrope to walk on, and still has practically no majority club to swing. But you’re right, with White House support he’ll have more room to work and more clout to wield. I suspect he’ll be an asset for MAGA in the next two years.
This seems different from what you describe. We will see.
It does seem to be different this time around. Joni Ernst quickly announcing that she would be voting to confirm Hegseth after his hearing was a signal that none them want to cross Trump (at least not openly). No one wants to be the next Liz Cheney or Adam Kinzinger.
Those 2 scum need to face some music. They participated in an illegal committee lawfare . Other rinos need to see ugly consequences of such.
“Speaker McJohnson” I like that.
It’s pressure point kung fu stuff. You don’t need to break the arm… just squeeze the right nerves and you can get what you want, and need.
Our Trump is good at carrot and stick. You never know — maybe, just maybe some people in D.C. might realize they have a country to save. We shall see!
Nice. Just watched those assholes go after Bondi on YouTube and she tore them new holes.
Not only was this brilliantly played, but was also an absolute necessity. First Rubio then Turner all while moving your pieces into position. Classic flank maneuver.
It also send a very clear message to the IC that there’s no where to run & no where to hide,… “you are not untouchable”. It’s time to start toeing the line.
They’ll never toe the line.
They need removal to the dustbin of history and never to return!
I prefer the ash heap or the dung pile of history personally!
Yes, he does!
cross posted at https://freedomaustralia.freeforums.net/thread/6610/deep-states-important-generals-removed
If I didn’t know any better (and I don’t), I’d be tempted to believe Pam Bondi is a CTH regular.
Quite the esoteric reference here!
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If she only believes in half of what she said, she’s still going to be a very busy girl.
It’s a very target rich environment.
The lawlessness, legal malpractice and outright corruption within the DOJ and the FBI has become too brazen to ignore.
“It’s a very target rich environment.”
Yes. And there’s also the “two birds with one stone” tactic available to her. She can bring down more than just Clinesmith alone when she exposes him.
Clinesmith was well known in all the major alt-right news, not just here.
But yes, a good example to
make of corruption.
Dropping Clinesmith’s name as an example of a bad lawyer was a signal too. It seems like Trump has more people in the know around him this time. I hope they have finally figured out the silo system and how it was used against him in his first term.
Sundance: When talking about the Silo system, would you say that the
original person that birthed them was Jamie Gorelick?
Remember back when ( Clinton’s term?) when Gorelick sat up firewalls
so that different justice divisions couldn’t share info?
Where were at now: is this the downstream of what occurred back under
the Mistress of Disaster?
Good memory, and good question for Sundance.
My own memory – not a Google search – recalls that, after sundry hearings, Gorelick was officially blamed for creating a “firewall” system under Clinton which was officially blamed (under the Bush 43 administration) as the main govermental “unintentional” dysfunction which allowed 9/11 to happen.
And then, if I recall correctly, she was allowed to continue her governmental career, in some other function – secure pension, etc.
Wonder if she did anything under 0biden, or was already retired to Reheboth Beach??
She was so convincing that half way through the Senator took off his glasses and you could see on his face he was in agreement with her and then suddenly he remembered he was supposed to be against her so he furled his face and put his glasses back on….😂
Tunnel vision. Meanwhile, FJB’s handlers are spending like drunken sailors to cripple Trump’s administration as much as possible. I hear 2 trillion by the 20th.
They all need a big boot – right into Gitmo, awaiting trial and sentencing for their treason against the US!
HPoSCI
How does the deep rabbit hole get dug out?
One dirty shovelful at a time.
Have to start somewhere…
Keep digging.
So true!
Maybe we could send them shovels!?
Augean stable comes to mind🤔
Apt, gypsy 👍🏻
Eliminate the agents of darkness and fill it with light.
“And the Light shineth in the darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.”
First thing I thought of, Cariad.
Amen.
“The Party seeks power entirely for its own sake. We are not interested in the good of others; we are interested solely in power, pure power. What pure power means you will understand presently. We are different from oligarchies of the past in that we know what we are doing. All the others, even those who resembled ourselves, were cowards and hypocrites. The German Nazis and the Russian Communists came very close to us in their methods, but they never had the courage to recognize their own motives.
They pretended, perhaps they even believed, that they had seized power unwillingly and for a limited time, and that just around the corner there lay a paradise where human beings would be free and equal. We are not like that. We know that no one seizes power with the intention of relinquishing it. Power is not a means; it is an end. One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes a revolution in order to establish the dictatorship.”
Orwell ( of course)
👍🏼 👍🏼 👍🏼
The Derp State revealed, which, of course, MUST be destroyed!!
Or, just bury them where they lie.
It used to be when we were kids that we spoke of digging a hole in the backyard so deep that we could go all the way to China.
An apt reference indeed.
We tried to do just that when I was small, Joe.
I think we’d have to dig a lot deeper than that to get to the bottom of this hole.
Amelia Bedelia book wasnt it?
It certainly was 😊…
Oh the worlds which would be opened for children today if they read to or read as we did from wonderful and imaginative books like those.
Dynamite might be better? Metaphorically speaking of course!
I will sleep better tonight ..
What will really be revealing, on several levels, will be who Johnson replaces him with? A true MAGA loyalist will be required!
I wonder if this could be the result of PT finally geting more accurate info regarding ukraine russia rather than the nonsense coming from our government military an media.
He might be wanting to get rid of the ignoramases.
Related topic on Congressional Charades:
How Trump gets his ENTIRE Cabinet approved by the Senate.
—> End Inauguration Day with a GOVERNMEMNT SHUTDOWN.
• Trump announces he will ONLY Swear In his ENTIRE CABINET at once.
• Trump announces he can ONLY CONTROL the Executive Branch with his ENTIRE CABINET in place
… INCLUDING ALL of their Deputies.
• Trump announces that the Senate has arrogated control over Presidential Nominations, requiring him to select from their predetermined accomplices as they did during his first term – abandoning ADVICE and Consent – in violation of their limited separation-of-powers under the Constitution, which is tantamount to TREASON.
This seems like a cleverly constructed & smart post BKR, unfortunately it flew completely over my head.
You may have to speak slower for me.
You’ll get used to it!
BKR goes way back as a fabulous one man blue-sky white-board MAGA thought experimentalist.
LoL
Black Night!
I missed your thoughtful analysis!
I’m so glad you’re posting! I was afraid something had befallen you!
Been working deep dives to find external forces could leave internal players NO ALTERNATIVE to M🇺🇸A🇺🇸G🇺🇸A!
√ Russia neutering Neo-Nazi Ukraine that leaves
• Nothing-of-VALUE for the Globalist Marionettes
• Nothing-of-UNITY for the EU
• Nothing-of-CAPACITY for NATO
-> Leading to the SELF-DESTRUCTION of ALL.
√ BRICS inspiring the REST to Escape the Hegemonic WEST by
• Decoupling their Trade-Settlement from the Dollar
• Ejecting Western Corporations that loot their Resources
• Ejecting Western NGOs that foment Color Revolutions
• Ejecting Western Bases-and-Embassies that organize the above and compromise their Leadership
-> Joining BRICS for Currency, Economic and Political SOVEREIGNTY
√ Israeli Zionists destabilizing the Mideast by
• Genociding the Palestinians
• Destroying the Syrian State
• Destroying the Lebanese State
• Annexing Territories from every Neighboring State
• Looting Energy Resources from all of the above
-> Uniting the Arab-and-Muslim World against Israel
-> Driving the USA & EU to END their ENABLEMENT & PROTECTION
I have a decades-long friend at a DC university, in the soft sciences, with a weak one-year Masters from an Ivy. Masters in Public Administration.
Many would call him a media junkie, but superficial. Has followed politics for decades. Undergrad from a top university.
He didn’t know what SES is.
He had no idea Russia was clobbering Ukraine.
Has no idea NATO and USA stockpiles are thin.
Dismisses the manufacturing help North Korea is giving Russia.
Never once acknowledged Biden was mentally incapable.
Was ignorant of the UK child gang-rape gangs.
Though he has taught on a college campus for over 10 years, doesn’t know who Jordan Peterson and Victod Davis Hanson are.
I have similar anecdotes of people I know. It’s absolutely amazing & equally unbelievable how sheltered/ignorant/ill-informed people really are.
He is in the 21% that trusts the old network and cable news and NYT-WaPo print news media complex. Everyone else curates their news from blogs and social media and podcasts.
“The trouble with our Liberal friends is not that they’re ignorant; it’s just that they know so much that isn’t so.” – Ronald Reagan
Boy howdy, he’s still correct!! Or maybe it should be they’re ignorant and know so much that isn’t so.
Like someone once remarked.
You can teach a cockatoo with a strong beak almost anything.
Living life in a bubble. And a non transparent one at that.
It seems the MSM has “siloed” most Americans!
As that old saying goes: “Rome wasn’t built in a day” and the same can be said of the “Deep State.”
So, how do you tear down something as evil as the Deep State, that so many took so long to build?
One brick at a time. Or, in this case, one member at a time.
I am hopeful that it can be done faster than we think. Look at how much Biden destroyed in 4 years! I was stunned 2 years in how much international and domestic havoc and economic ruin Biden unleashed.
Trump is on a mission this time. The serious tone and pose of Trump’s official inaugural photo says it all. He means business:
That scowl is at THEM and they know it.
President Trump is businessman! Expect nothing less….a builder!
the havoc began on day one with the cancellation of Key Stone pipeline and other oil and gas leases.
The unofficial photograph should be his mugshot! In true American style, take what was meant to destroy or defame you and wear it as a badge of honor.
Pray for an earthquake.
Go after the foundation! IMHO all that “dark money” in the budget as well as legal loopholes that allow for NGOs that are obviously part of the US Govt
Turner because Gabbard got pressured….
Trying to block VSGGEPDJT’s Team Picks is an offense worthy of being tossed off the Trump Train.
At Speed.
Thank God somebody is astride the Deep State traitors.
As some erstwhile blogger has noted in the past:
Follow. The. Money.
There are trillions of dollars at stake …
[God Bless you, Sundance!]
it sounds like a hive
Q; Are there other FISAS besides the FISA -702?
I wonder if Mike Turner and the Deep State saw this coming or had any inkling of this? Hmmm, inquiring minds want to know. Good for Mike Turner. Sucks to be him right now.
This was GREAT news to read here! The Speaker did well.
It was only the other day, where I said that there’s still a patriot somewhere in Mike Johnson.
My President, Mr. Donald J. Trump.
JFK, IKE, W, BHO, FJB.
“The CIA director, NSA director, ODNI, FBI Director, etc have not been in charge of the compartments they represent. They are simply functionaries -middle men- who operate in the space between where the compass points are directed, where the data originates, and oversight of that data that is ultimately filtered and delivered to the functionaries, who then brief the representatives…. who then create policy… albeit flawed policy…. based on a very specific, controlled, compartmented and skewed information flow.”
When information is compartmentalised the number of people able to view this information is substantially smaller than the number of people who gather the info.
It eventually gets directed to SOMEBODY who is in control of things.
The question is……who is running the show, really?
The way it was explained to me when I had a Top Secret security clearance in the Army was each person with a TS was in a walled off room of a house. Someone with a Top Secret Compartmentalised clearance had the ability to take the roof off of the house and look at what was going on in each room and put that info together. That info could then be sent higher up.
Someone is in charge.
Who is it?
It is as though they come out of a hermetically sealed baggie into position . . . or do they?
Sleeper cells.
Mary McChord.
Only my imagination – could it be a kind of star chamber of the five eyes that pass decisions down to the CIA director and then it filters down to all the others?
I remember Hillary joking one time that she took her direction from the Council on Foreign Relations. No one person decided to attack Donald Trump relentlessly and (imo) no one person decided to allow him to win on November 5th.
SECRET SOURCES AND METHODS.
I suspect we may see a number of these decisions from Mike Johnson, as an answer to Trump’s support of him for Speaker.
With respect to the engaged MAGA people knowing more than our elected representatives, every engagement that I have had with House or Senate members or their staffs bears that out. Every time I engage one, I walk away feeling that the Washington “bubble” keeps information away from them, while booze and drugs kill what is left of their IQ’s.
Thank you, Sundance.
NOW OHIO NEEDS TO PRIMARY HIS BUTT OUT OF OFFICE
GOOD RIDDANCE !! This move has been needed for a long time and is long overdue … but as usual, better late than never.
Now keep the “cleansing” going …
And who will replace little Marco on Senate Intelligence Committee?
Nothing will change until you address the Wolfowitz Doctrine and will go one further, Mackinderism.
Mmm…Looking at the other ‘R’ members of this committee to replace Turner as Chairman I notice that there are 2 others that will probably need to be replaced also, Elise Stefanik and Mike Waltz. Don’t know much about the others, except Crenshaw is a definite no.
President Trump knows who is WHO. How the game is played and has a country to save. A Very capable man who has GOD on his side. Pray for his guidance to return our country to Godliness.
What a great start!
Why do I suspect Pam Bondi is an avatar?
She responds like a spectator from personal injury.
Sen Mike Lee should be the nominee!
Secret courts are blatantly unconstitutional and antithetical to liberty.
What could be more obvious?
Sundance, who’s the next target and silo that needs to be exposed and removed?
Now do the same with the senate intel committee. Somehow put the screws to Thune.
We know more than they do in terms of big picture wisdom. But they, collectively if not individually, have more data which we need to fix things. Hence, the need for transparency.
Good news!
Wow ! This is a big step taken by Johnson that I didn’t see coming!
It was a Boss move by President Trump. It served two purposes. First, it broke an important Deep State cog. Second, it sent the message that the Deep State is not as intractable as they think they are.
Agree! So what is Turner’s next move? He WILL do something. Johnson has yet to earn respect…still lots of chess moves ahead.
Great! Who’s next?
I saw this yesterday afternoon and was thrilled to see it. I was hoping the news had made its way to Sundance as well.
One down, another 1,000+ to go.
I was actually about as excited by it as I was to see Mike Rogers fail to get back in CONgress in Michigan.
Mike Turner is the very epitome of arrogant ignorance. He also appears to be an exceptionally evil, corrupt individual. This is a HUUGE win for President Trump and our country. I look forward to seeing more of this.