The Silicon Valley immigration priority was not the topic I thought would explode and fracture the tenuous MAGA alignment with the New Big Tech group represented by Elon Musk and his billionaire network. However, we learn more every day.
This is a jaw-dropping moment to watch unfold as a very influential sector of the political discourse begins a full-frontal attack against those who are pointing out how the tech community abuse H1B visas to replace American workers. In the background, of course, is the context of widespread immigration policy fraud being one of the priorities for the average Trump supporter.
The Silicon Valley team do not seem to review discussion of the H1B manipulation/fraud within the larger American economy as a problem, as long as the discussion of the visa fraud does not impact their business models. However, as soon as the H1B abuse started to be framed around Silicon Valley’s participation therein, the New Big Tech group take a nuclear war approach to defending their interests.
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Having followed the immigration issue for a long time, yet specifically only having a big picture review of the H1B visa issues, it has been astounding to watch how Elon Musk, Vivek Ramaswamy, David Sacks and the Silicon Valley supporters and influencers are responding to having the H1B visa fraud confronted. The self-interest in their defense is just astronomical to watch unfold.
Empowered by what can only be reasonably defined as their perceived influence over President Trump, the new-era Tech team are quite forcefully telling the MAGA base of Trump-supporting American workers that their concerns, views and perspectives are irrelevant.
It appears that most of the explosive sentiments revolve around H1B visas in the tech sector issued to Indian workers specifically. Apparently, the friendships, networks and teams attached to the sector of computer engineering carry with them an emotional component. I guess that should not be a surprise considering this is essentially a peer-to-peer wagon circling, in defense of the H1B visa problems in the tech sector.
As said before, it always appeared the MAGA alignment with Silicon Valley would not be an issue until the interests of the billionaire tech team came into conflict with the MAGA base. I did not anticipate the fracture being so fast, nor did I anticipate immigration would be the trigger. However, H1B visa issuance is apparently a key part of the Silicon Valley business model.
That said, several pragmatic aspects of the discussion are now being lost amid a very toxic shouting match that has begun. President Trump and JD Vance are, perhaps understandably, staying very quiet at the moment. However, that silence is soon to be impossible as both sides of a very divisive issue are going to eventually demand President Trump to weigh in.
I will try to cut through some of the toxic noise so that we can discuss the larger issues.
Theo Wold provides some context:
“I led the drafting of legislation in the Trump ‘45 White House to create a new legal immigration framework. I saw firsthand what happens when ANY visa reform is proposed: executives from the biggest multinationals and lobbyists from all kinds of industries are banging on the door, demanding to keep what they have.
What they have is a tangled morass of visa classes that are carve-outs, handouts, and special favors to particular industries, bought and paid for through decades of lobbying feckless members of Congress and presidential administrations. Industries lobby for the foreign workers they claim to “need,” and then they get a visa class carve-out, which they protect (and seek to expand) at all costs.
And there are enormous costs for our nation – costs that fall on the American worker with devastating consequences. The statistics bear that out: job gains go to foreign-born workers while American workers post net job losses.
I also know this firsthand because I grew up a working-class kid, watching my father (and by extension, our family) suffer from unfair foreign labor competition.
For too long, Americans have been largely unaware of the source of these problems because the policies are designed to be too complicated and are made largely invisible to public scrutiny. I’m glad the right is having an open debate about legal immigration. It is past time.
To be clear, the difference between O1Bs and H1Bs matters in this debate, for example, because these visas are intended to accomplish very different goals and are entirely different in scale, BUT both visa classes are rife with abuse. (Plenty of Reggaeton stars and anti-American athletes enter the U.S. on O-1 visas.) Essentially ALL visa classes are abused. Again, that’s because these things exist to serve special interests on one side of the labor market (and it’s not the side of the American worker).
The debate can’t be confined to a single industry – it’s about Big Tech, Big Ag, tourism and hospitality, transportation (airlines, trucking), the media & sports entertainment complex (yes, the NFL and MLB have their own special visa classes and their own special treatment by DHS and State) and many many others. They all want special visas to import cheap and convenient foreign labor. Even the roofing industry is now seeking its own special visa class. And all of these special classes get expanded over time, allowing the American worker to be flooded with foreign competitors for no reason other than labor savings for employers.
I, like many Americans, voted for a sealed border and an immigration moratorium. Americans need to retake control of our immigration system — how many are coming in, for what reasons, and for how long. One question absent from our current system: how does this individual immigrant benefit the American nation and her people? No more blanket exemptions or economic rationales. Immigration is a regime-based question, as both Hamilton and Jefferson wrote on extensively, and our system should reflect that Americans must also demand meaningful investment in assimilation and integration requirements for legal immigrants here already.’ (Source)
Within the debate, those who advocate for the H1B visa process are quick to call anyone a “racist” or “nativist” who stands against it. Within the tech industry the use of H1B is positioned as vital for their success.
As can be noted by the extreme position on the pro-H1B side of the discussion, they view this debate as a zero-sum contest. The position of Musk and the Silicon Valley tech group is that if the H1B process is stopped, American technological advancements will immediately cease to exist.
When it is pointed out that Silicon Valley discriminates against white Americans with engineering degrees and or skills, Silicon Valley shouts back the same arguments as the DEI promoters Musk claims to abhor. Musk and the tech group immediately use the Alinsky attack method (isolate, ridicule, marginalize) against anyone who speaks forcefully against their interests. The Musk allies and influencers then pile on. It is something remarkable to watch happen.
Years of Americans in various business sectors being forced to train their foreign replacements before the Americans are terminated from employment, underscore a very hardened stance against the H1B abuse. The decision by the Silicon Valley network to dismiss this problem because they want to sustain their current business operations is not going to end well unless some cooler heads immediately intercede.
Nicole Shanahan, Robert F Kennedy’s former running mate – and also a Silicon Valley network influencer, puts it this way:
“Having lived in Silicon Valley for 20+ years and founded and sold an AI company, I’ve seen firsthand how we rely on H-1B to fill grueling, unglamorous coding jobs. These jobs are essential, and we need capable people doing them. But the system needs an overhaul.
Here’s why:
To keep pace with global competitors like China and India, we need Americans ready to tackle the challenging jobs in these fields. We have them, but often our STEM grads turn their noses up at these entry-level, low-paying coding positions after investing in a costly education.
So why are immigrants from India, China, and elsewhere so eager for these jobs? It’s not because they’re glamorous or because these roles don’t exist back home. And definitely not because they offer high salaries. There’s something else driving this…
The undeniable proof that the United States is the single greatest nation on earth is that people from every corner of the globe dream of coming here—not to China or India—but America.
I take issue with some of the discourse I’ve read online today suggesting “lazy American culture” is the main driver for why we need to continue the H-1B program. Let’s be real: tech companies getting massive breaks on cheap labor at the expense of the American way of life is predatory.
Blaming our culture for why American STEM grads won’t take underpaying jobs is ridiculous and insulting.
The system we’ve constructed with H-1B visas, whether we like it or not, incentivizes people to come here and serve as essentially indentured servants for Big Tech, taking on the tough, grueling jobs that few here in America are excited to perform at the current suppressed salaries.
In return, if you’re good at your job, you’re then put on a fast track to get a Green Card, which means legal status and the chance to bring your family over through chain migration.
I’m reminded of this famous line by our second President, John Adams: “I must study politics and war that my sons may have liberty to study mathematics and philosophy. My sons ought to study mathematics and philosophy, geography, natural history, naval architecture, navigation, commerce and agriculture in order to give their children a right to study painting, poetry, music, architecture, statuary, tapestry, and porcelain.”
Just because our kids have the “right” to chase artistic dreams like music and painting, doesn’t mean we should bring in hundreds of thousands of foreign workers to displace them in math-intensive careers. It’s a two-fold issue: both our education and immigration policies are broken. Instead of tackling these complex issues head-on, Big Tech monopolies and tech VCs are looking for the fastest way to outcompete globally and become industry giants. It’s paid off—look at the insane valuations of these companies!
We can’t entirely blame them for this approach—it’s been the industry norm for 40 years—but we can insist they seek out the tough, lasting solutions. No more temporary fixes.
I was asked if teaching American kids coding from a younger age would make them want these coding jobs. My response? No, it won’t. These jobs aren’t fun, people.
But, do I think removing the incentive of attaining legal status would reduce the volume of foreign applicants? Absolutely.
And, guess what? That might finally force Big Tech to look for workers right here at home (and pay them a competitive wage). Americans expect fair pay, which means these companies would have to start sharing their wealth rather than hoarding it.
Meritocracy is key to America’s greatness, but so are justice and fairness—we shouldn’t keep rewarding an industry that has curtailed free speech and American values. After Trump’s recent victory, the everyday worker feels empowered like never before. They won’t surrender that power, and frankly, it’s not right to imply they should.
There are numerous ways to improve our immigration system while safeguarding the American labor force (and I say “force” because it truly is capable, creative, and powerful).
Here are two straightforward steps to start the process:
1. Immigration policy must be designed to protect the American way of life and its workforce. Singapore’s work permit program, which they designed in the ’90s, was built from this standard and could provide good inspiration. They use a modern-day designation system to manage the influx of labor across various sectors.
⁃ Employers face levies (essentially fees that employers have to pay for each foreign worker they hire. It’s a way to manage the number of foreign workers coming in by making it more expensive to employ them, encouraging companies to also look for talent locally).
⁃ There are Dependency Ceilings, which essentially limit the number of foreign workers based on the local workforce—this is KEY.
⁃ They impose restrictions on the countries from which workers can come.
⁃ Permits are diversified across industries to ensure balance.
2. Special economic zones are amazing and can transform local tech job markets. Hiring locally is going to be critical for making sure Americans are taking key tech industry roles AND able to support their families.
If we really want to lift America to heights unseen in generations—not just talk about it, but actually do it—then we can’t continue to stick to outdated strategies that have harmed Americans. We owe it to ourselves and our communities to aim higher and do better.” (source)
As I watch this debate unfold, I find myself finally realizing why all the Silicon Valley tech people were such staunch Democrats. Their worldview does not: (1) seem to comprehend American Economic Nationalism as a priority; (2) seem to appreciate the importance of true liberty in the creation of the remarkable outcomes from American exceptionalism; and (#3) they appear to be inside a bubble of self-interest, unattached and unaffected by the economic issues that have seriously harmed the MAGA base.
In essence, the Silicon Valley network represented by Elon Musk team, does not connect in the same way to the important priorities of middle America. The technocrats are, well, Technocrats.
Watching this debate unfold is quite remarkable.
I’m DONE with ANYTHING BUT America FIRST.
These tech companies come into our states/communities and we roll out the red carpet. TAX INCENTIVES galore and they are given grants, etc. TAXPAYER paid mind you. THOSE taxes WE have paid on our wages and our properties. (YOU NEVER OWN YOUR PROPERTY; MISS A TAX PAYMENT and the county OWNS your property).
HIRE AMERICAN FIRST.
EVERY AMERICAN deserves FIRST CHOICE at jobs. When not filled, see elsewhere.
We KNOW DAMN WELL this is NOT happening. WE ALL KNOW story after story OF REPLACED American workers WITH FOREIGN workers.
And don’t tell me Indians assimilate. THEY DO NOT. NEITHER do Hispanics NOR most cultures. THEY BRING IT AND INSTILL IT HERE. I swear I go to grocery stores and I could be in a foreign country; English is THE LAST language spoken.
I recently traveled to an African country. I had TWO WEEKS and required to depart. I was required to give an itinerary of my stay and travels and contact #’s while staying. THIS IS A THIRD WORLD COUNTRY.
We’ve CAUSED all this confusion ourselves. We’ve ALLOWED dc and our politicians to sell us down the river. AMERICA LAST cause it greased and padded their pockets to look the other way.
DONE.
IF Trumps screws this up, R’s can kiss 2028 good-bye and the house and senate in 2026.
Yes. They are technocrats. Greedy, self serving technocrats. Globalists with no regard for humanity. Many, like Musk and Gates have Asberger’s Syndrome. They do not understand human emotions and could careless that they do not. They just do not care.. Unfortunately, the “corporate structure” from which those so afflicted thrive reinforces their singleminded drive for success. Corporations have no requirements for “social good”, no penalties (or ineffective enforcement) for the social harm their policies cause (overworked, underpaid, threatened employees). Lacking empathy, sympathy, humility and the recognition of the negative impact of their behavioral actions on others, they are triggered by those who challenge their methods and meanness which have made them wealthy AT THE EXPENSE OF THE LIFE ENERGY OF OTHERS. Musk’s disgusting “neural link” and clownish reaction to using Ozempic to lose weight demonstrates just how damaged these people are. Please God help them.
Spot on, KF.
H1B= Cheap labor. End of BS story ,
Department Of Deadbeat Greedy Employers: DODGE.
🤣
Good one!
And so the battle begins…Vivek the Snake has definitely exposed himself as the globalist he is and Musk? Just can’t seem to find the words to describe him accurately.
Beyond contemptible. At least Vivek had the good sense to not ingratiate himself into Trump’s family circle.
He’s in Vance’s family and one kid OSS named after him for God sakes
Foul-mouth, arrogant, amoral for a start?
Vivek exposed himself early on when he was running for President. He staunchly supports the Trans Pacific Partnership which gives China, India, and other Asian companies the upper hand in US trade.
In the beginning he tried walking back several of his comments. It was too late, just like it’s too late for him to walk back his comments about lazy bad parenting Americans.
My mom had a great dodge from the late 60’s please don’t sully my childhood memory. Lol
True that.
After 82 years of observation ,I have come to the conclusion. The only thing that will Fix Washington D C ,is a Asteroid.
Temporary 3 months of ML…can solve many problems if not all have Americans citizens “stomach ” for that ???sadly after 8 yrs. we came to this point….
Well put, except the end.
These people don’t believe in God.
They think they are god or can create him.
GOD HELP US!
As the joke goes. How to mess up a room full of paranoid schizophrenics? stick your head in the door and yell h, hey you. That is the way the new Trump Administration will be. How to mess up a room full of Narcissistic Sociopaths,stick your head in the door and yell,You are Wrong.Hell you will have to peal them off the ceiling.
The Baphomet worshipping Elon Musk can shove his ‘neural link’ up his rectal cavity.
Yeah, & he can also shove his microwaves on wheels aka e-cars up the same orifice too.
I had a commander in the military once who was on the spectrum. Bizarre experience, very stressful on the entire officer and senior NCO leadership team. He basically expected our troops to behave like robots.
It doesn’t mean such people are wrong about everything but their plans do need to be reviewed and tempered by people who understand human emotion.
“Lacking empathy, sympathy, humility and the recognition of the negative impact of their behavioral actions on others, they are triggered by those who challenge their methods and meanness which have made them wealthy”
I read this article written by an Indian that grew up in India yesterday. It seems all of the negative traits you have listed align with the traits in Indian culture. Lying, manipulation, deception, and lacking empathy is common in their culture, perhaps that’s why these tech giants prefer hiring Indians over Americans. Obviously the low wages plays a role but I suspect there is more to it.
“India: It’s Worse Than You Think”
Excerpts:
Fairness, justice, trust, empathy, and impartiality are alien to many Indians. They have a hard time telling the difference between right and wrong. They are indifferent even when no cost is associated with being fair. Moreover, if they could do good without any personal cost, they would still prefer not to, because that can be seen as a sign of weakness.
Indians are indoctrinated to be submissive. The indoctrination is so profound that Indians address those even slightly above them in authority as “sir.” They tend to be servile, sycophantic, and ingratiating. This should not be mistaken for respect, because respect is foreign to Indians. When they call you “sir,” it reflects their view of you only as the stronger figure in the interaction, consistent with their view that might makes right. They will demean you the moment you are in a weaker position.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/india-its-worse-you-think
Read this article as well.
To say it was eye opening was an understatement.
Living on the edge of the information river, I wondered why someone would write such an article and that Tyler Durden would publish it?
Today, I understand.
An article on Substack was offering additional perspectives to your linked article contrasting America with such other cultures:
https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/immigration-immigrants-and-the-american?publication_id=323914&post_id=153713218&isFreemail=true&r=3bq9x3&triedRedirect=true
The possible main driver between Western Christian Civilization and the rest of the globe: the Golden Rule.
Shanahan’s suggestions for H1B reform based on the Singapore model just plain make COMMON SENSE. So, my bet is on President Trump moving in that direction. Can he do that and still keep the Tech Lords on his team? Rubber is hitting the road.
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My best guess is, VSGPDJT, being the negotiator that he is, will find the common ground for a compromise. Which very well may be her idea.
At the end of the day though, thanks Musk for helping get PDJT elected, but you don’t understand MAGA son. We want OUR people to succeed. Not the “America” you tech donkeys have in your heads.
Deuces if they can’t understand.
As Gordon Gekko stated “Greed is GOOD”! Unfortunately, the buying of politicians through lobbyists is the fast track to an essential business necessity. It’s corrupt, YES. But it works quickly and efficiently. Otherwise, another solution to the problem would be developed. That takes leadership, development of a political army of citizens for change, and finally appropriate legislation. We are entering the first of 5 stages for change:
1) Precontemplation
2) Contemplation
3) Preparation
4) Action
5) Maintenance
Stage #2 will begin soon with political discussion. Get your popcorn….
We the People can move to stage 4.
All we have to do is end Twitter/X accounts and move to Truth Social. How bid is MAGA?
All we have to do is flood the new Congress with demands for Visa changes or eliminations….
All we have to do is decide that Technocratic Oligarchs cannot rule our nation, no matter how much money they put into an election. we remind them using the two offered actions.
Companies that are big enough to abuse H1B visas have a competitive advantage over those that don’t. So, the system can’t self correct; rather the “invisible hand” already drove behavior to least cost at the expense of the American worker.
It was simply cheaper to claim lack of skill and import an Indian comp sci major at community college costs, rather than train up an American at a higher cost of living. And India has 4x the US population, so there’s a larger pool of low skill recent graduates, just on volume.
How do we fix it? Make it too expensive for cheap imports (ie labor tariffs). But it has to be applied equally to ALL companies, which means national law. No excuses or exceptions (which is how a politician makes its money, via carve outs). The US labor pool will respond.
Is entry level IT junk work? (think hardware upgrades, software patching, password management) It doesn’t have to be. But having super cheap labor means companies don’t have to innovate to improve their processes. Someone has to go computer by computer and apply a patch? In a world of networked everything? You’re kidding me IT.
That’s why it’s considered entry level, because it wasn’t worth the COST to improve, so no one wanted to do it. It will self-correct when the wages improve. Or someone will say it’s not work the tech’s time, and the software improves.
The U.S. miss education system should not have happened, but it did (and is) – with some exceptions.
The quiet, excused, accumulatively infected for 30 years, most expensive, lessor accomplished u.s. miss education system that focuses upon ‘self'(ish) esteem via character counts (not virtue), (un)common core math that politely makes any answer to 1+1 = ___ acceptable in the miss grading
is a miss use of public funds, while paying A LOT for A LOT of miss administrator$.
The political sway of raising funds, a couple of decades ago, for education with the sales pitch “its for the kids” was / is a ploy to miss cycle taxpayer funds to school administrators to politicians (not for actual improved education for our children).
Again, there are some exceptions, yet even many of those exceptions have selfish related attitudes that undermine them having more solid work ethic.
imho
Take a look at how much money the U.S. pours into education.
Take a look at how the education scores have incrementally declined – compared to other countries.
People know, and have known – yet it (deteriorating u.s. education system) still occur$.
(and, as some have noticed, some students from other countries now look more attractive to those (business people) interested in getting a positive return on their investment in people)
‘We’ made our own mess.
Are ‘we’ becoming motivated – after decades of education deterioration – to clean up our own mess?
Can a positive ‘change’ be put into place? Yes.
Is it an instant result, type of change? No
But, for a greater U.S. future, a gradual, steady, honest, determined improvement is needed (without grifter$) in our education system – and is way, way past due. For instance…
imho
Our schools need to teach mathematics the same way Asian schools do. One of my college professors explained to us one time how they teach math from a young age. They don’t look at multiplication tables and such the way we do.
The way they teach math is from more of an abacus approach. In their heads they look at numbers more like stacks. I can’t remember exactly how he explained it, but it made sense and it is why Asians excel more at math than average Americans.
If memory serves me right many public schools are teaching Common Core Math courtesy of Bill Gates. It is a horrific curriculum.
I heard from a native India-an that math is taught before reading in their schools.
Yep, the American education system is a mess from bottom to top.
The educators at all levels are paid more and more and yet the end product (educated children) is less/worse educated than ever
The only good that came from the Plandemic was the massive exposure of just how bad the education in this country really is.
Perhaps it’s time to sell Tesla stock…
Following my iniital post: I found this discovery.
From 2021-2024 S&P Top 100 companies have HIRED ONLY 6% of WHITE MALES.
THIS IS THE CRAP THAT STOPS NOW.
Being born a white male in the USA is NOT A CRIME.
I’m DONE with Musk, Vivek and will be with TRUMP if this crap continues.
So next time you will vote for Kamala? Stick with Trump and ask him to address the problem.
IF Trump allows; you can kiss 2026 house and senate away and 2028 WH for a R.
AMERICANS have had it with this crap.
Ask? How about demand.
Maybe the next time we won’t have someone named “Junior” selecting our Vice President which seems to have led to this bullsh*t.
I totally agree. Perhaps this is one reason Trump essentially gutted the House of Rep. so he could say the Rinos and the Dems passed his immigration reform policy.
Of mountains and molehills ..
Fraud being exposed is a good thing…
In every aspect that the tentacles of the Federal Government illegally control.
The USA belongs to The People…
Always has, always will.
Squirrel !!!
Trust God.
Fear not.
This does feel like self sabotage in order to sandbag the streamlining or our abhorrently wasteful Governing Body..
“You’ve got that eternal idiotic idea that if anarchy came it would come from the poor. Why should it? The poor have been rebels, but they have never been anarchists; they have more interest than anyone else in there being some decent government. The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn’t; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all. Aristocrats were always anarchists”
― G.K. Chesterton, The Man Who Was Thursday: A Nightmare
So true. The Election Fraud Coup was the Oligarchy rebelling against Self-Rule by the People.
I like way how VVP deal with russian oligarchs… some of those beauties here push for WW3 …some uncontrolled iommigration (include f* HB1 visas)..and most of them scream of UNITY (give up on MAGA)… will VSGPDJT deal with them ??? ..it is obvious we do not resolve it by voting out of this horrendous mess….
If they need foreigners to do drudgery coding then have them do the drudgery coding back in their own countries, pay them their slave wages, and let them enrich their own cultures. They do not have to live in the USA and then chain migrate their families to America.
The problem that arises for the Tech industry is that PDJT-MAGA policy for getting the coveted 15% corporate tax rate is that they have to conduct their businesses in the USA and HIRE AMERICANS. Uh oh.
These tech industries managed to sell out American tech workers back when the corporate tax rate was 40% and they were still able to become billionaires.
The money that they will save at the 15% corporate tax rate should more than compensate them for paying Americans a higher wage in order to attract people to the jobs.
There are thousands of jobs in this country that are tedious, repetitive, boring, and physically exhausting. But if they pay enough then people will take them. They may not stay in them forever but they will stay for a while.
They want both the low wages and the 15% rate.
Everyone needs experience to move up and around in the corporate world. A foot in the door is what is needed, then you move from there.
There is no recent grad that would turn down a job, unless they are well off to begin with.
Middle class and lower would most likely( there are always exceptions) would not turn down a job. It is is disingenuous at best to suggest so.
The tech industry does not want their foreign slave wage workers to ever move on to a better job. They want them to remain trapped in those jobs.
Excellent post.
Ma Barker and Caligula Robinette told coal miners “Learn to code”, which is itself code for “Learn to code. We won’t hire you but learn it anyway.”
“Andrew Torba, the CEO of the far-right social network Gab, said in an X post: “He’s declaring war on us btw. Should go over well for him as it has for everyone else who has tried.”
Instead of being shut down on X, one by one MAGA should withdraw from the platform. Turn down the lights the party’s over.
I was actually considering signing up for X and will not do so now.
Further, I deleted my unused Truth Social account yesterday.
I do retain my Rumble account though HAVE experienced nonsense there as well.
“You may call me selfish if you will, conservative or reactionary, or use any other harsh adjective you see fit to apply, but an American I was born, an American I have remained all my life. I can never be anything else but an American, and I must think of the United States first, and when I think of the United States first in an arrangement like this I am thinking of what is best for the world, for if the United States fails, the best hopes of mankind fail with it. I have never had but one allegiance — I cannot divide it now. I have loved but one flag and I cannot share that devotion and give affection to the mongrel banner invented for a league [the UN].
Internationalism, illustrated by the Bolshevik and by the men to whom all countries are alike provided they can make money out of them, is to me repulsive. National I must remain, and in that way I like all other Americans can render the amplest service to the world. The United States is the world’s best hope, but if you fetter her in the interests and quarrels of other nations, if you tangle her in the intrigues of Europe, you will destroy her power for good and endanger her very existence. Leave her to march freely through the centuries to come as in the years that have gone. Strong, generous, and confident, she has nobly served mankind. Beware how you trifle with your marvelous inheritance, this great land of ordered liberty, for if we stumble and fall freedom and civilization everywhere will go down in ruin.” …….
Rest in the Vine: Across a Century, Sen. Henry Cabot Lodge, Sr. Addresses the Globalists Who Are Wrecking the World Today on Purpose
Quote – “I will go as far as anyone in world service, but the first step to world service is the maintenance of the United States.
I have always loved one flag and I cannot share that devotion with a mongrel banner created for a League.”
99% of all new jobs in the past four years went to foreigners. That cannot be allowed to stand.
not counting the #fakegovernment jobs
wow, this is going to be super interesting to watch….. all immigration is unwelcome and illegal.
I find myself really liking Nicole Shanahans views…. she seems to call it as it is…. good on her.
I will keep watching this……
GLAD TO FINALLY SEE IT!!
I worked in Silicon Valley for 20 years and got to witness the “replacement” first hand. It disgusted me.
OOOOOOOOHHHH ELON. You are such a big tough guy!!
I already posted somewhere that Elon’s mini-me toddler has better manners and more self-control than his daddy. Grow up, Elon!
Excellent article, Sundance. Readers and followers are recommended to stream the warroom.com today, Saturday, 10 am EST as yesterday’s (Friday, December 27th) edition was absolutely outstanding on this topic.
Yes, I saw it on gateway Pundit.
I may be in the minority with this opinion but I LOVE the vigorous debate. I want the tech CEOs to fight for competitive advantage. I want Nicole Shanahan, Theo Wold, Brett Weinstein and others to passionately expose the self-interest. I want this debate out in the open with as many people tuned in as possible.
I trust President DJT to balance the interests in a way that puts America First.
I do not care how many they bring in…..AFTER EVERY AMERICAN HAS A JOB.
And the hopium high begins to wear off as predictable reality raises its ugly face.
When none of the radical reformer cabinet nominees who would seriously damage the Deep State/Blob/Big Pharma/Big Food/MIC owners of the Senate are not confirmed by a Senate filled with 20 D and F-rated RINOs, it will be reduced even further.
Then there’s this which I knew was logistically impossible anyway:
Trump Backs Down From Strong Sweeping Deportation Promise
December 24, 2024
https://mishtalk.com/economics/trump-backs-down-from-strong-sweeping-deportation-promise/
Both Trump and his border czar are sending strong messages that Trump’s deportation plan won’t live up to his campaign hype.
The Wall Street Journal reports Trump Allies Fear Watered Down Deportation Efforts:
Donald Trump ran for president on a bold promise: to carry out the largest mass deportation in U.S. history.
Now, a little over a month before he takes office, some allies are worried that a shift in rhetoric from the president-elect could portend a watered down removal effort and are urging him not to scale back his plans.
In the weeks since the election, and even in some rally speeches toward the end of the campaign, Trump and his incoming advisers have alluded to a mass removal effort of immigrants with a criminal record, a far narrower set of people than the 15 million to 20 million Trump pledged to deport earlier in the year. Tom Homan, the president-elect’s incoming border czar, has said Trump’s team isn’t planning to perform mass raids in immigrant enclaves—the worst fear of immigrants-rights activists.
“This isn’t going to be neighborhood sweeps and military vehicles going through the city,” Homan said in an interview with Dr. Phil McGraw on Thursday after meeting with New York Mayor Eric Adams. “I told him, you know, President Trump and myself have committed that this is going to be a targeted enforcement operation.”
The emphasis on criminals reflects not only what Trump considers to be the highest priority but a practical understanding of the complexity of rounding up millions of migrants, [even just finding and deporting the criminals will be a monumental effort which will probably involve lot of gunfire – W] a person familiar with the matter said. While Trump remains committed to a deportation effort, his team is mindful of those realities and wants to set expectations.
The decision also reflects some concern over economic impacts [and THERE it is – gotta’ have that cheap, hard working labor that can’t unionize or complain about work conditions whose income and benefits are supplemented by taxpayer subsidies for the poor! – W] to key sectors such as housing and agriculture, the person said. Through it all, a focus on criminals has been the animating force of Trump’s message, as he repeatedly highlights instances of migrants committing crimes such as sexual assault or murder.
Elon Musk is a BS artist as clearly shown in the video below.
Tesla was and is taxpayer subsidized.
His one clearly successful commercial effort, SpaceX and Falcon 9 was and is being made a further success by taxpayer purchases of launches by NASA, DOD, NRO, and other government agencies. That said, the costs are lower compared to the legacy aerospace industry that was so accustomed to sucking at the cost plus contract fedgov teat and was charging outrageous prices. The most recent example of a legacy aerospace industry launch vehicle is the $4.2 BILLION PER LAUNCH SLS.
Starship is way, WAY behind the schedule promised to NASA (it should have landed, unmanned, on the moon years ago) and is a system that isn’t even remotely optimized for lunar landings for which NASA is funding it let alone landings on Mars. What it is optimized for: placing very large (SpaceX) Starlink version 2 satellites in orbit.
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He’s just another common communist.
“Elon Musk is a BS artist as clearly shown in the video below.”
May I add a video for your viewing pleasure?
Yes! When he was running for President I shouted this from the rooftops. My stepfather died from Alzheimer’s and the fact that Vivek took a failed Alzheimer’s drug and repackaged it as something that could give families hope makes me sick!!
This is it. Entirely.
pHARMa snake oil salesman, by nature.
He will lose his mandate and support of the people who elected him. It will give people like many in my family who hate him because reasons and the MSM the I told you so attitude and rhetoric
My fear too
I’ve heard it
“Within the debate, those who advocate for the H1B visa process are quick to call anyone a “racist” or “nativist” who stands against it.” And this is how you know the H1B visa process has turned into a scam on the American People.
Speaking as a tradesman, not a techie, I can tell you the influx of illegal and foreign labor from down south have depressed the wages of most trades. Interestingly, the wages of those trades that illegals avoid – like plumbing, for instance – continue to rise. While, like in my instance, wages for carpenters have stagnated or gone down. Same for roofers, concrete, etc. You don’t have to be a rocket scientist to understand the same will happen in other industries.
We constantly hear this refrain that “foreigners/immigrants are just doing the jobs Americans won’t do.” Hogwash. Americans won’t do those jobs because those companies don’t pay what Americans need to live. Couple that with the cost of an education in STEM, and having to either pay off the loans, or time and labor to pay as one goes, and American workers are getting a raw deal.
Nicole Shanahan’s piece has some good solutions. As do some others. What I notice in all of them is a simple fact: H1B is NOT just an immigration/labor issue. It’s actually the issue illuminating the real institutional problems in the U.S. Education being chief among them. Special Interests are still gaming the system, trying to gain advantages for their industry. What is needed is an overhaul of the system. A simplification that removes all the fat that has been acquired over the years.
Oh, and it would help if the Democrat party would move away from Communism. As the Democrats move closer to lunacy, it is kicking a growing number of Musk types to the Republicans. Which in turn is moving the entire country further left.
Thank you for the last sentence. I have long felt all those quitting the Dem party and joining the Republicans or MAGA is not good in the long run. Many are one issue or not of the America 1st mindset.
Too much power is a heady thing, some people i.e. Trump can handle it, some cannot i.e. Elon. Talk to Jack Dorsey.
Tariffs on H-1B visas!
Looking at the type of work Elon Musk is doing at Space-X, I don’t know that the US Universities are turning out the type of students that could make that rocket return to its base and land safely. Starlink can be up and running anywhere (literally) within hours, and it’s dependable. If he is skimming the smartest and most qualified people to figure out how to do these things then good for him.
Sure seems to be mostly American born workers at Space X cheering the launches. Maybe they are just carefully selected props for the cameras so we don’t see the slave labor behind the scenes. Who knows. And Elon was just bitching about the Biden admin trying to force him to hire immigrants. It’s rather strange.
Let them do it from their homes. Tech is inherently remote. That’s one of its biggest attributes. It can be done anywhere. Not like there is some magic information that only flows inside Musks companies. Especially when referring to low level coders. If that is their true roles.
That is NOT what is happening. Low-level, cheap replacements for the tech industry, as well as many others, is rampant. Spare me the “foreign genuis” bullshit.
Do your research.
It’s always about the money. Always was, always is. Power and influence is just the means to keep and expand their wealth.
I would like to see expansion of
1) apprenticeships
2)specialized job training programs — learn that programming job in a year community college program instead of with a 4-year stem degree. Optionally paid for by the business ready to hire in exchange for a benifit or length of service contract.
Possibly even taught at the business and not through the college system.
3) youth programs –14-18 year olds can get a part time job for a lower minimum wage, and/or less benifits (they don’t need health insurance while still under their parents) in exchange for that job experience/resume building while they live at home–don’t need a living wage
I’m in the Automotive Industry and while these programs have existed for many years, enrollment is surprisingly small. Parents tend to direct their kids to college & shy away from blue collar careers. I’ve witnessed several programs @ Community Colleges close down even with major auto manufacturer support.
Need to go into the homes with advertisements
I’ve never seen any
Times and attitudes around the degree system are changing. My siblings and I all did 4 year college. It was the norm.
For my children, I will not steering them towards college. The last thing I’m waiting for is the industries to change their hiring requirements to not include a degree just to prove their employees can read and write and “have class”.
When the credentialed class is required to compete they throw a tantrum. On the flip side, when they are quoted a 40k Outdoor BBQ by Americans, they hire the illegals standing in the parking lot at Home Depot for 8k. The home they are living in was built by illegals at a reduced cost. They have reaped the benefits for decades. Their standard of living has increased. While their BC neighbors were discarded. That TV they just bought, no it’s not from that plant that closed in Arkansas.
They sit around bragging on how much money they saved while they see their neighbors moving van pass by as they are evicted from that lifestyle because they “couldn’t compete.”
Those illegals are here to stay and have changed the nation as we know it. None of them are leaving and we all know it. Let’s all reap the benefit of cheap labor, not only the WC class.
As I have seen this fold out over 40 years. Excuse me if I don’t get all broken up inside over their AGHAST.
Musk ,They’ll take the tech offshore as any sane business owner would. This is a new world, change is here to stay,
I’m in South Texas and illegal immigration has forever changed My Texas over the past 25 years for the worse. While I’ve said for many years that they need to go, many won’t be required. They’re too woven into the culture. They buy food, gas, & clothes at Walmart and other parts of the community’s economy.
If your local economy was a stock, you’d sell it if you had the insider knowledge that their customer base would decrease by 25%. Politicians & big business will push back.
i’ll be the only Anglo (& English speaker) in my local Walmart late @ night when I realize I’m out of dog food. Few workers speak English @ my two local Walmarts. The store is packed with many different Spanish-speaking families as well as Muslim families where all females are completely covered with only their eyes visible.
Very true in central Texas as well
I needed to replace most of the redwood decking around my house. Hire Jose, the wonderful illegal, my neighbor said, “he’s such a hard worker and supports his family in Mexico.”
No way Jose!!!
I went to the local pub and found an out of work carpenter and we obtained all the old school redwood from a buddy in the woods with a saw mill!
Support your neighbors!
Just to note. I retired from high tech with a career that spanned plug boards to databases to C++, to Java, et al; industries from manufacturing to finance to health care to aerospace (among others). Interviewed thousands of applicants. I’ve even taken the IBM aptitude IQ test of the 1960s prior to having degrees offered in tech. In the beginning (slight snark), firms sought those studying mathematics, physics and some engineering — those areas where people are happy working in isolation for hours and days on end. These are the “coders” that are vital to high tech. These are not “glamor” positions to amaze your social contents. It’s like playing on a football team but only having a huddle then going to a desk and workstation to play by yourself. One of the companies I worked for recruited Russians in the 1990s because chess, math and related areas were highly respected in Russia (and recall their national sport — Chess). And, yes, I’ve experienced the abject decline in the US’s education system and it’s impact in high tech.
The talent pool of people that “fit” these positions has always ranged from small to smaller. The career path should be one to two years after school learning the “trade”. then two to three years applying it, then decide whether to proceed toward a leadership position or toward the “expert” in the field path.
Without the visa folks, we simply would not have the systems, companies, products in high tech we have today in the US. Period. Fact of life.
I’m all for cleaning up the system and processes and making it easier. But, it has been and always will be needed.
Without Musk, there wouldn’t be a 47; like it or not, the credentialed are due for a trimming, and the barber has entered the room.
Taxpayer funded, subsidized slave labor is more like it.
Politicians vote for benefits (housing, health care, food stamps, welfare checks) for low paid employees of their big corporations’ big money donors.
In other words, taxpayers are paying for all those extras that low paying workers covet and feel entitled to receiving when they come to America – land of opportunity.
Illegals receive all those benefits at taxpayer expense – without working.
“fast track to get a Green Card, which means legal status and the chance to bring your family over through chain migration.”
All of those “relatives” then promptly enroll in every government subsidy available and the US taxpayers foot the bill for that cheap labor!
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A genius with inflated unsustainable power, and no common sense.
Elon’s undoing is his own, the fatal mistake was to ingratiate himself into Trump’s precious family. Invited to family dinners, talking space with Barron at Thanksgiving.
Trump calling to him to get in the family group photo, Kai his granddaughter saying “Elon has now reached Uncle status.”
He doesn’t know it yet but he’s DEAD to Trump now.
And BILL GATES at Mar-La-Go IS A CRIME AS WELL.
STOP this madness. NONE of this is America FIRST or America anything.
Gates is a sleaze bag and charlatan. He deserves prison; NOT being prime time with Trump.
They should meet outdoors, Trump would have to fumigate if the meeting was in closed quarters. There’s no telling what he’s up to.
He could plant tiny Microdot receivers anywhere.
Only Trump is responsible for this. Elon, Vivek, etc. fed his massive and hungry ego and gave large sums of money to his campaign. We were stupid to believe anything other than this was a ruse to get their noses under the tent long enough to make a call against their contributions. Trump is not as smart as he nor many think he is.
how is it possible that these two weren’t vetted on this issue? Or were they and this was all kept secret?
Never liked Elon. Never bought into his fake BS. Only reason he is a billionaire is all his businesses are based off of subsidies so he can go to hell.
Keep talking, techies. We’ve had your number for a while now. But it’s nice of you to confirm what we’ve long suspected.
So, Musk, you made America great with SpaceX and Tesla, did you? Really?
So it was you who put the Apollo Eleven astronauts on the Moon in 1969? Wow!
And your Teslas are so great, Hertz Rent-a-Car can’t rent them and is now selling them at fire sale prices.
Keep talking techies, you’re a case study in megalomania.
America was a nice country to live in before bubba bullshxx handed the place over to you.
I went looking for that video in october I think of the SpaceX super heavy booster being caught. I remembered there were folks/workers cheering. Here it is around the 1:20 mark. Of course only a few can you really see. But all look “American” demographic and don’t seem confused about their gender. The announcers also sound “American”.
Separately, from above, I had the below thought.
So, these H1Bs are cheaper than Americans? Do even these degreed H1Bs live 10 to a house? Maybe a nice big house/mansion, but still packed in there?
I’m thinking they have much the same inflated costs of things regular Americans have. Do they just overcome it with numbers?
To clarify, I’m not covering for him, just noting thus admittedly very small sample (maybe less than 10 you can see and hear).
How much profit is ever enough for these self-serving, stingy pig billionaires? 💰
Musk’s foul- mouthed, adolescent response was ridiculous. He is a full- blown, Asperger’s toddler.
This is OUR country. These diabolical dictators want to censor voices whose perspectives differ, control the world,
de-monetize, silence and punish dissent.
Shame on Elon! 😷
Oligarchs be damned!
Just a thought. Let us pray that this schism does not become the IC/Mah Russia of 47’s presidency.
I hold this thought also, that if it can be solved and suitable for all sides, then PDJT is probably one of the very few people on the planet that can do it. Just a thought to continue thinking 🤔😎😁❤️. God bless the US.
“Meritocracy is key to America’s greatness, but so are justice and fairness”
I would add “Social Mobility”, being key to social stability.
Make America Great Again, with American labor.
Musk: “I will go to war on this issue”. I’m trembling.
Be careful what you wish for.
P.S. Tesla and SpaceX are built on government subsidies (electric vehicles) and government contracts (space). You got your deep pockets from our taxpayer deep pockets.
Don’t think we don’t know it, because we do.
I started looking through the HB1 regulations, rules, levels, the many loopholes/exemptions, and etc therein. Wowzers, what a minefield to comprehend!
But on the surface there seems to be 4 levels of HB1 classification. The wages that must be paid in 2005 are as follows:
Level 1: Annual Salary = $61, 506 or $29.57 per hour
Level 2: $79,892/ $38.41
Level 3:$98,280/ $47.25
Level 4:$116,667/ 56.o9
I assume that Level 1 would be for a new college graduate with a degree in this field with no real life experience. And level 4 would be highly experienced and capable of full programming, design, and management.
So how many at each level are these IT companies hiring? And what do all the IT folks here think those wages should be for those levels?
Besides from those questions I also wonder if the HB1 folks are salary and yet have to put in 80 hours a week for that same salary(either on the books or off the books-wink and nod- to be able to stay 6 years and get green cards) compared to American IT folks who would earn far more if they had to put in those 80 hours?
I fully recognize that I just don’t have the knowledge of the field to even ask the right questions, so hope those in the field will guide us ignorant questioners in the right direction on this issue.
Thanks.
Yes, someone is not going to get their way, so we might as well cede control of the government back to the Democrats so they can keep the borders wide open. That makes sense. If we can’t have everything exactly the way we want it, we might as well let it all go straight to hell.
What a bunch of freaking egotistical idiots!
Silicon Valley wealth built on the backs of lower paid Indian (and other minority) serfs, no different than the other industries mentioned in the SD analysis. Elon and his ilk want the vast freedoms of America to enjoy financed by using non-American third-world resources.
Always the damn money….trillions at stake.
Yep, it’s always about looting the richest nation, until the pot runs dry.
Shanahan puts forth a reasoned, well-thought-out argument. BUT she only touches on the BIGGEST PROBLEM — the attitude of the younger American working class. They care not for excellence. Mediocre is good enough for them. HOWEVER, they want to be paid for Excellence while doing mediocre work. They also are unwilling, in many cases, to do work that is druggery. They’d rather stay at home and play games on their computer.
Our education (education?) system is coming home to roost. It will be decades before this debacle can be corrected, if ever, with the typical younger American workforce.
Ask any employer. He understands.
Have their been abuses? Of course, but the American worker is the biggest reason for that. As an employer, I will gladly pay more for exceptional work, but why should I pay more for mediocre work?
Many of us remember America during the 80s and prior, Musk. It was a great place to live.
Nice of you to tell us so much about yourself and your fellow techies, as if we didn’t already know.
Go ahead, sue me. Go right ahead.
But the fact that this is happening now gives hope that the situation can be resolved; in the past it’s been swept under the carpet. As Sundance explains, reform can happen and now that sunlight has been applied there is a chance for both sides of the issue to come up with the reforms.
Nicole Shanahan may end up being more valuable than Musk regarding this and she reminds me of Trump in that she’s not afraid to tell the Emperor that he’s naked.
Something triggered the bitch, he’s acting like a scorned woman.
This is not going to end well for dark MAGA.
Trump remarked at one of his many wonderful rallies about the dark MAGA hat Elon had worn . He knew what Musk was up to, trying to change the branding of our movement like MAHA. RFK Jr better be taking notes.
Note to self, don’t step out of my lane.
My company simply has offices in India where they have their coding done. Then we all do test runs on it to see if there are problems. Certain sites are selected to be testers (big ones, not small ones like mine) and if it passes for them, they launch it. Of course, this means they miss a few scenarios that affect small sites but not large sites. When mistakes sneak through and they deploy it, chaos ensues. We suffer for months with work arounds while they “fix” it. And since we’re a small site, they take their time, less risk to them.
There’s no magic need to do coding in the US. It can be done anywhere. So why are these tech companies so hung up on having them here? Simply to depress wages for all their US workers, that’s how I see it.
My husband’s horticulture family business just finished their second year of utilizing H2A visas. This is all I know about the program. I read this story out loud to my husband just now. Clearly, there’s a considerable difference between the tech industry and horticulture!
Considering part of the program is providing housing, utilities, transportation and wages. We have to prove that we cannot hire Americans to do the job. We just paid $4,500 to the Post Dispatch (More like Post Disgrace) to advertise for our job for Americans. Very few apply, and those that do apply have issues like substance abuse, prison time, etc. When we have hired Americans, the productivity difference is astounding.
Back to the article, I have a hard time thinking they cannot hire Americans for these tech jobs. It isn’t hard labor and it’s in an area where those with the skillset tend to live. It’s about cheap labor plain and simple.
Totally different. I understand your usage and why.
And I have NO issues with those programs. MOST of those workers come, work for a period and return home/to their respective countries.
I also know many fellow farms near me utilizing these type workers. I see their facilities. They are NICE facilities and take considerable capital to build and maintain. The workers are housed and provided many amenities while here. For the record, these facilities are much nicer than many US citizens live in here. HOwever, the govt REQUIRES the standards and the $$$/pay/rates, much higher than normal wages for this area.
Thread, via Anonymous Conservative
https://xcancel.com/Anc_Aesthetics/status/1872736287662456971
The bloom is off the ruse for Vivek and Musk.
I guess Elon won’t be going to Mar-a-Lago for New Year’s. DOGE is looking like it might be DEAD.
I don’t think it’s dead – yet.
As President Trump said in his online post about Bill Gates going to Mar-a-Lago – New Year’s Eve is Going to be Lit! and then he actually asks where is Elon?
Last time Trump used that ‘going to be lit’ phrase was when he encouraged people to go to D.C. on January 6.
That both he and Vance have stayed out of the entire Loomer-created discussion makes me think someone in President Trump’s sphere may have put her up to this task, to bring the sunlight on the visa program before the tech boys proceed with their actual assignment of DOGE, i.e. putting them in their place, holding their hats in their hands and submitting their egos to the actual very stable genius the people voted for.
In all of this debate, from her first tweet to this post, always considered her antics as mere publicity stunts. Today I would like to Thank Laura Loomer – this is actually a perfect timely discussion that needs to be had before President Trump can let those Silicon Valley people proceed.
My question is, who has President Trump named as the incoming Secretary of Labor? That seems to be where the visa mess gets straightened out.
Verry interesting!! Bessie – I just put this comment in my ‘keep’ file.
“Elon won’t be going to Mar a Lago – He has been living there for months. Trump can’t get rid of the leach.
i guess that we will see if musk and vivek will sacrifice their great stance on transparency and free speech to save their immigrants.
Per Sundance “it has been astounding to watch how Elon Musk, Vivek Ramaswamy, David Sacks and the Silicon Valley supporters and influencers are responding to having the H1B visa fraud confronted. The self-interest in their defense is just astronomical to watch unfold.”
It seems astounding, but it’s not.
I’m a broken record…grifters are gonna grift. This is particularly true if they can garner benefits via the government.
It’s the bottom line (financially baby).
But that is only part of the problem. The college-educated youth of America don’t want to work very hard these days. And…they darn sure don’t want to work their way up by starting off with scut work. Their expectations are too high.
Finally, we have an education system that has almost completely run amuck.
Glad this issue popped up AFTER the election…they were never truly MAGA.